Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Dear Members, I was pondering if the eight lord being the owner of the malefic eighth house should be powerful or weak which would reduce his malefic effects also, does the placement of the malefic 8th lord in a benefic house such as 5th destroy the 5th house effects and increases his malefic effects, also would it be better to have a natural benefic such as venus etc as th 8th lord or a natural malefic such as kuja? Thanks, Raghu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Dear Raghu and List Members, The question asked is whether a strong 8th lord will be more malefic and a weaker 8th lord less malefic ? Let's try to analayse this Query : Opinion One :Temporal Malefics if weak and debilitated are rendered weak and without strength, thus unable to create problems. Thus, their being weak is good and it sometimes also results in what we call Vipareet Rajyoga.Whereas, exalted or strong temporal malefics will cause exalted problems. Opinion Two :Though both weak and strong temporal malefics will create problems but a temporal malefic planet that is weak and afflicted will cause more problems whereas a malefic planet that is well placed and strong will be better in certain ways. Thus, strength of the planet may make it nobler in some ways. As per Opinion 1 : If we look at Lord Rama's Chart, Saturn, the exalted 8th lord placed in 4th house of mother and maid servant and aspecting the lagna was behind the conspiracy caused by Manthra(maid) and Kakeyi(step mother) for His exile.Thus, exalted 8th lord was very bad in this case. As per Opinion 2 : Exalted temporal malefics will create problems but these problems and adversities will be taken lightly by the native and thus not effect him that seriously.For example, exalted Venus for Sagitarius Lagna or Pisces lagna may create problems, but the native will remain unmoved by them. Venus in Picess Lagna may create accident(8th house) like situations for the native, but the native will not be much effected by them. Conclusion : It is better for the 8th lord to be weaker comparatively. Its like a coin with two sides. Thus 8th lord placed in a kendra can be good for longevity, inheritance, occult studies etc, however, the obstacles too will be manifold. Further, natural benfics like Jupiter and Venus are less malefic as 8th lord in comparison to Natural Malefics like Saturn or Mars. Best regards, Rajat , "Raghu" <raghu_tillu> wrote: > Dear Members, > > I was pondering if the eight lord being the owner of the malefic > eighth house should be powerful or weak which would reduce his > malefic effects also, does the placement of the malefic 8th lord in > a benefic house such as 5th destroy the 5th house effects and > increases his malefic effects, also would it be better to have a > natural benefic such as venus etc as th 8th lord or a natural > malefic such as kuja? > > Thanks, > Raghu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Mr Bhatia, THaks for your reply and your accurate analysis but I am not able to unravel for a couple of points that you said about the temporal malefics, for example if venus is placed in the strong 5th house(a benefic house and also in cancer a benefic house)and also is vargottama (in rasi bhava and navamsa),so with this I would think the 8th lord has gained in power but say he is associated with some malefic say rahu, what could that signify(you can assume that they are not being aspected by any planet except ofcourse ketu). And also to say venus and rahu are seperated by more than 23 deg apart. Thanks once again, Raghu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Mr Bhatia, THaks for your reply and your accurate analysis but I am not able to unravel for a couple of points that you said about the temporal malefics, for example if venus is placed in the strong 5th house(a benefic house and also in cancer a benefic house)and also is vargottama (in rasi bhava and navamsa),so with this I would think the 8th lord has gained in power but say he is associated with some malefic say rahu, what could that signify(you can assume that they are not being aspected by any planet except ofcourse ketu). And also to say venus and rahu are seperated by more than 23 deg apart. Thanks once again, Raghu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Dear Raghu, I am giving you some clues, make an attempt and judge the results : 1. Does Venus treats Moon as a friend or enemy? This will help you in judging Venus's intentions. 2. What's Venus role as a house ruler for Pisces ? 3. Rahu as a companion is malefic or benefic, will it influence Venus to do good or bad or just do what Venus wants? Read Brihat Parasar Hora and check what Maharishi Parasara's views are for 8th lords's placement in 5th. And please note, aspects and influences play a great role in changing the motivations of a planet for better or for worse.A benefic Jupiter who is also a lord of good houses like 1st, 9th of 5th will try his best to avert any evil whereas a malefic saturn or mars ruling 3rd, 6th, 8th or 12th will only increase the evil. Further, the distance in degrees between two planets or aspects does matter in judging the strength of the influence. Closer the conjunctin or aspect, stronger it is, for better or worse is a separate issue. Best regards, Rajat , "Raghu" <raghu_tillu> wrote: > Mr Bhatia, > > THaks for your reply and your accurate analysis but I am not able to > unravel for a couple of points that you said about the temporal > malefics, for example if venus is placed in the strong 5th house(a > benefic house and also in cancer a benefic house)and also is > vargottama (in rasi bhava and navamsa),so with this I would think > the 8th lord has gained in power but say he is associated with some > malefic say rahu, what could that signify(you can assume that they > are not being aspected by any planet except ofcourse ketu). And also > to say venus and rahu are seperated by more than 23 deg apart. > > Thanks once again, > Raghu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Mr Rajat, I would say as to the questions Venus would treat Moon as its enemy since it is its natural enemy, venus as ruler for pisces I am not sure about that. About Rahu as a companion is malefic or benefic, will it influence Venus to do good or bad or just do what Venus wants? I would say rahu apart from being a natural malefic gives out the result of either the planet it conjoins with or its house dispositor I am not sure which one exactly as in the case it is conjoined with venu and its dispositor Moon both being natural benefics I think it should give sort of benefic results. Kindly let me know if these are correct. Also you said something about Maharishi Parasara's views are for 8th lords's placement in 5th, do you have any idea about that or any link to that. Thanks, Raghu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Dear Raghu, As per Maharishi Parasara, Venus is the first rate malefic for Pisces lagna. Its the lord of two malefic houses, 3rd and 8th, thus double malefic. However, Venus no doubt is a great natural benefic. However, in Vedic Astrology, temporal lordship is also to be seen. Thus, the periods and subperiods of Venus may not be favourable for the native. Now, what areas of ife is this venus influencing ? As it occupies 5th house, that too as an enemy, with Rahu(malefic), it can cause worries in the area of progeny(5th house), intelligence etc. However, this is just one view and is limited. If the corresponding karakas are strong, native may still have happiness in these areas.In astrology, one should never judge anything by just one factor. Parasara says native will have long life and will be wealthy too, when the 8th lord is in 5th. Thus, there are positive points too. Cancer being a movalble sign occupide by 8th lord and enemy Venus may make the native unsteady in dispositon, the native will keep changing his line of thinking and finances though abundant, may fluctuate too. You must get a copy of Parasara's BPHS if you you want to advance in your jyotish studies.The translation by R.Santhanam is excellent and by GC Sharma is good too. Best regards, Rajat , "Raghu" <raghu_tillu> wrote: > Mr Rajat, > > I would say as to the questions Venus would treat Moon as its enemy > since it is its natural enemy, venus as ruler for pisces I am not > sure about that. > > About Rahu as a companion is malefic or benefic, will it influence > Venus > to do good or bad or just do what Venus wants? > I would say rahu apart from being a natural malefic gives out the > result of either the planet it conjoins with or its house dispositor > I am not sure which one exactly as in the case it is conjoined with > venu and its dispositor Moon both being natural benefics I think it > should give sort of benefic results. > > Kindly let me know if these are correct. > > Also you said something about Maharishi Parasara's views are > for 8th lords's placement in 5th, do you have any idea about that or > any link to that. > > Thanks, > Raghu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 WHY UNSUBSCRIBE TO THIS GRUOP IS NOT WORKING.... ??? Raghu <raghu_tillu wrote:Mr Bhatia, THaks for your reply and your accurate analysis but I am not able to unravel for a couple of points that you said about the temporal malefics, for example if venus is placed in the strong 5th house(a benefic house and also in cancer a benefic house)and also is vargottama (in rasi bhava and navamsa),so with this I would think the 8th lord has gained in power but say he is associated with some malefic say rahu, what could that signify(you can assume that they are not being aspected by any planet except ofcourse ketu). And also to say venus and rahu are seperated by more than 23 deg apart. Thanks once again, Raghu ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 > Parasara says native will have long life and will be wealthy too, when > the 8th lord is in 5th. In my view the above result should not be taken literally, because an area of life is influenced by so many planetary factors and not by only one... (say manythings to see for the long life and wealth, than just this placement) Regards Tanvir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 d... , Manoranjan Jha <manu_bram> wrote: > WHY UNSUBSCRIBE TO THIS GRUOP IS NOT WORKING.... ??? > > Raghu <raghu_tillu> wrote:Mr Bhatia, > > THaks for your reply and your accurate analysis but I am not able to > unravel for a couple of points that you said about the temporal > malefics, for example if venus is placed in the strong 5th house(a > benefic house and also in cancer a benefic house)and also is > vargottama (in rasi bhava and navamsa),so with this I would think > the 8th lord has gained in power but say he is associated with some > malefic say rahu, what could that signify(you can assume that they > are not being aspected by any planet except ofcourse ketu). And also > to say venus and rahu are seperated by more than 23 deg apart. > > Thanks once again, > Raghu > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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