Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Dear All,(Again!!) I would be interested to hear the your views on the effects of the combination of Saturn-Moon-Mars in the 4th House(Leo) for a Tauras Ascendant. The are no further aspects to this house and the dispositor, Sun, is in the 1st house conjunct Mercury. Maybe this question is deemed too simplistic by the likes Rohini and Sanjay but after much research and as a beginner I'd really like some light shed on this. Thank you............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Dear Maniv, I hope I can help some with this question. It is not a simple answer as you must consider the other yogas and aspects influencing this combination, the strengths of the planets involved, and the dasa operating at the time must activate it. Generally to have two natural malefics with the Moon will mean that the mother will suffer or die early. These two natural malefics (Mars and Saturn) in the fourth house also may obstruct the affairs of the fourth house which includes conscious mind, home, learning institution, emotions. For a life long effect three factors must agree (all negative or positive): the strength of the fourth house, it's lord (Sun for Leo ascendent) and its significators (Moon and Mercury). If all these factors are weak with no strong benefic aspects, then it indicates Kuhu (new Moon) yoga giving difficulties with properties, mother, and mind. In Dr. K. S. Charak's book "Yogas in Astrology" p. 70, he states that this combination means: "Berift of comforts from mother right from childhood, wicked, fickle- minded, indulges in prohibited deeds. Note: The Moon is the significator for mohter. Its affliction by two first-rate malefics may lead to death of the mother in childhood, or the native may commit matricide." Now, this is the worst case and will not always happen at full strength, and when it does happen it would be during the activating dasa/bukti. For Taurus lagna Jupiter, Venus, and Moon are malefics and Saturn and Sun are auspicions. (Lords of 3, 6, 11 are always malefic.) Saturn is Raja Yoga karaka. You can look at the effect of a planet in a house based upon it's natural quality of benefic or malefic, by it's temporal quality of benefic or malefic, and as lord of houses. You will get mixed effects not a cancellation of effects. The strength depends upon the planets strength and activating dasa/bukti (and transits). Saturn as the 9th lord is weakened here with Mars in an enemies sign (Sun rules Leo) which is not good for dharma, luck, or father. You need to look for natural and temporal benefic aspects to this combination and at the whole chart. I think you will find it difficult to get accurate judgement for this chart by looking only at this combination. General factors for good fortune are a strong lagna (house, lord, signifator), and a strong and unafflicted Sun and Moon. Then you can check from lagna, Moon, and Sun, and aruda lagna, etc. If you study many charts you will find that very few are completely bad or good. Does this help any? Sincerely, Dhamakesin , "maniv78" <maniv78> wrote: > Dear All,(Again!!) > > I would be interested to hear the your views on the effects of the > combination of Saturn-Moon-Mars in the 4th House(Leo) for a Tauras > Ascendant. The are no further aspects to this house and the > dispositor, Sun, is in the 1st house conjunct Mercury. > > Maybe this question is deemed too simplistic by the likes Rohini and > Sanjay but after much research and as a beginner I'd really like > some light shed on this. > > Thank you............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Dhamakesin, Birth Details : 13-06-1978 0315AM London DST Thank you for taking the time to reply to my query in such depth. It's a big enough challenge blending in the significations, lordships, functional/natural status and aspects that planets represent in a normal 2 planet conjunction – when it's a triple conjunction the task becomes very daunting. Moon is placed in its own house (Cancer) and fairly comfortable in the sign of Leo. Mars although a malefic joins well with the Moon giving rise to Chandra-Mangal Yoga and again is comfortable in the sign of Leo. The damage is seemingly done by Saturn who is a great enemy of both planets and very awkward in the sign of Leo. However its status as Yogkaraka for Taurus ascendant may limit its propensity to do harm. As I said there are no other aspects to these planets – but Saturn aspects the ascendant which has the Sun and Mercury present. Moon is lord of the 3rd house while Mars lords the 7th and 12th houses. Basically we have 3,7,9,10 and 12th lords in the 4th house. Do we asses the dispositor – Sun – as having directional strength through placement in the 1st house (in Taurus)? What intrigues me is that the 4th lord is in the 1st Joining the 5th lord Mercury – in effect does this imply a deep emphasis on the self, the character? With so many planets in the 4th house and the lord in the 1st house receiving an aspect from Saturn and joined with Mercury what are the implications? I'd be interested in your views, Thank you Maniv , "dhamakesin" <dhamakesin@s...> wrote: > Dear Maniv, > > I hope I can help some with this question. It is not a simple answer > as you must consider the other yogas and aspects influencing this > combination, the strengths of the planets involved, and the dasa > operating at the time must activate it. Generally to have two > natural malefics with the Moon will mean that the mother will suffer > or die early. These two natural malefics (Mars and Saturn) in the > fourth house also may obstruct the affairs of the fourth house which > includes conscious mind, home, learning institution, emotions. > > For a life long effect three factors must agree (all negative or > positive): the strength of the fourth house, it's lord (Sun for Leo > ascendent) and its significators (Moon and Mercury). If all these > factors are weak with no strong benefic aspects, then it indicates > Kuhu (new Moon) yoga giving difficulties with properties, mother, and > mind. > > In Dr. K. S. Charak's book "Yogas in Astrology" p. 70, he states that > this combination means: > > "Berift of comforts from mother right from childhood, wicked, fickle- > minded, indulges in prohibited deeds. Note: The Moon is the > significator for mohter. Its affliction by two first-rate malefics > may lead to death of the mother in childhood, or the native may > commit matricide." > > Now, this is the worst case and will not always happen at full > strength, and when it does happen it would be during the activating > dasa/bukti. > > For Taurus lagna Jupiter, Venus, and Moon are malefics and Saturn and > Sun are auspicions. (Lords of 3, 6, 11 are always malefic.) Saturn > is Raja Yoga karaka. > > You can look at the effect of a planet in a house based upon it's > natural quality of benefic or malefic, by it's temporal quality of > benefic or malefic, and as lord of houses. You will get mixed > effects not a cancellation of effects. The strength depends upon the > planets strength and activating dasa/bukti (and transits). > > Saturn as the 9th lord is weakened here with Mars in an enemies sign > (Sun rules Leo) which is not good for dharma, luck, or father. > > You need to look for natural and temporal benefic aspects to this > combination and at the whole chart. I think you will find it > difficult to get accurate judgement for this chart by looking only at > this combination. > > General factors for good fortune are a strong lagna (house, lord, > signifator), and a strong and unafflicted Sun and Moon. Then you can > check from lagna, Moon, and Sun, and aruda lagna, etc. If you study > many charts you will find that very few are completely bad or good. > > Does this help any? > > Sincerely, > Dhamakesin > > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > wrote: > > Dear All,(Again!!) > > > > I would be interested to hear the your views on the effects of the > > combination of Saturn-Moon-Mars in the 4th House(Leo) for a Tauras > > Ascendant. The are no further aspects to this house and the > > dispositor, Sun, is in the 1st house conjunct Mercury. > > > > Maybe this question is deemed too simplistic by the likes Rohini > and > > Sanjay but after much research and as a beginner I'd really like > > some light shed on this. > > > > Thank you............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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