Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 Please analyse the triple conjunction in the following chart: Birth Details : 13-06-1978 0315AM London DST It's a big enough challenge blending in the significations, lordships, functional/natural status and aspects that planets represent in a normal 2 planet conjunction – when it's a triple conjunction the task becomes very daunting. Moon is placed in its own house (Cancer) and fairly comfortable in the sign of Leo. Mars although a malefic joins well with the Moon giving rise to Chandra-Mangal Yoga and again is comfortable in the sign of Leo. The damage is seemingly done by Saturn who is a great enemy of both planets and very awkward in the sign of Leo. However its status as Yogkaraka for Taurus ascendant may limit its propensity to do harm. As I said there are no other aspects to these planets – but Saturn aspects the ascendant which has the Sun and Mercury present. Moon is lord of the 3rd house while Mars lords the 7th and 12th houses. Basically we have 3,7,9,10 and 12th lords in the 4th house. Do we asses the dispositor – Sun – as having directional strength through placement in the 1st house (in Taurus)? What intrigues me is that the 4th lord is in the 1st Joining the 5th lord Mercury – in effect does this imply a deep emphasis on the self, the character? With so many planets in the 4th house and the lord in the 1st house receiving an aspect from Saturn and joined with Mercury what are the implications? I'd be interested in your views, Thank you Maniv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 For starters, if you read uttarakalamrita (written by Kalidas but not the Kalidas who wrote many epic poems and is claimed to have been so absent minded that he sawed off the branch that he was sitting on, etc. who knows how much is true -- anyway) you will find that each house has many many many indications, so when tuning into any one jurisdiction of the house based on a conjunction, one must keep in mind that the other indications of the house may also fructify. Too many planets in a house obviously signify the importance of that house in current lifetime. Parashara Muni has given that principle indirectly in his treatment of sudarshana chakra. Occupant is the strongest indicator or executor for the house. Next comes the consideration of what those planets represent. It is like a line of speakers on the same stage (theme). They will express and explore the occupancy house theme through their own natures and roles in the horoscope. Is is like a jyotish sammelan with jyotishis with different expertise and specialities all coming together and throwing light on the topic. Good luck! RR , "maniv78" <maniv78> wrote: > > > Please analyse the triple conjunction in the following chart: > > Birth Details : 13-06-1978 0315AM London DST > > It's a big enough challenge blending in the significations, > lordships, functional/natural status and aspects that planets > represent in a normal 2 planet conjunction – when it's a triple > conjunction the task becomes very daunting. > > Moon is placed in its own house (Cancer) and fairly comfortable in > the sign of Leo. Mars although a malefic joins well with the Moon > giving rise to Chandra-Mangal Yoga and again is comfortable in the > sign of Leo. The damage is seemingly done by Saturn who is a great > enemy of both planets and very awkward in the sign of Leo. However > its status as Yogkaraka for Taurus ascendant may limit its propensity > to do harm. As I said there are no other aspects to these planets – > but Saturn aspects the ascendant which has the Sun and Mercury > present. > > Moon is lord of the 3rd house while Mars lords the 7th and 12th > houses. Basically we have 3,7,9,10 and 12th lords in the 4th house. > Do we asses the dispositor – Sun – as having directional strength > through placement in the 1st house (in Taurus)? > > What intrigues me is that the 4th lord is in the 1st > Joining the 5th lord Mercury – in effect does this imply a deep > emphasis on the self, the character? With so many planets in the 4th > house and the lord in the 1st house receiving an aspect from Saturn > and joined with Mercury what are the implications? > > I'd be interested in your views, > > Thank you > > Maniv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Dear Maniv, I hope we can confirm the lagna. When I calculate the rashi for 13- 06-1978 0315AM London DST I get Aries lagna not Taurus lagna. 0315AM Timezone 0 (GMT) +1 hour DST. London 00W17'00, 51N43'00 Do you agree? Either way, Saturn in sign of enemy Sun with Mars will weaken Saturn. Saturn with Chandra Mangala yoga will make the yoga unstable. Also Mars with Saturn and Moon with Saturn are not beneficial yogas either. There are no aspects from natural benefics on this combination and the lord of this combination, the Sun, has the Saturn aspect and is in an enemies sign (Taurus), so in total the house containing the combination is weakened also. To judge completely we need to know if this is 4th or 5th house. If 4th house then difficult relationship with Mother and not good for education. If 5th house then not good for speculation and children (also puts Sun in 2nd causing strong interest in accumulating wealth and consumption). Are there younger siblings on father's side of family? If so this favors Jupiter in 3rd house (Aries lagna), else it favors Taurus lagna, Venus in 3rd house (destroys younger siblings). Sincerely, Dhamakesin , "maniv78" <maniv78> wrote: > > > Please analyse the triple conjunction in the following chart: > > Birth Details : 13-06-1978 0315AM London DST > > It's a big enough challenge blending in the significations, > lordships, functional/natural status and aspects that planets > represent in a normal 2 planet conjunction – when it's a triple > conjunction the task becomes very daunting. > > Moon is placed in its own house (Cancer) and fairly comfortable in > the sign of Leo. Mars although a malefic joins well with the Moon > giving rise to Chandra-Mangal Yoga and again is comfortable in the > sign of Leo. The damage is seemingly done by Saturn who is a great > enemy of both planets and very awkward in the sign of Leo. However > its status as Yogkaraka for Taurus ascendant may limit its propensity > to do harm. As I said there are no other aspects to these planets – > but Saturn aspects the ascendant which has the Sun and Mercury > present. > > Moon is lord of the 3rd house while Mars lords the 7th and 12th > houses. Basically we have 3,7,9,10 and 12th lords in the 4th house. > Do we asses the dispositor – Sun – as having directional strength > through placement in the 1st house (in Taurus)? > > What intrigues me is that the 4th lord is in the 1st > Joining the 5th lord Mercury – in effect does this imply a deep > emphasis on the self, the character? With so many planets in the 4th > house and the lord in the 1st house receiving an aspect from Saturn > and joined with Mercury what are the implications? > > I'd be interested in your views, > > Thank you > > Maniv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Dhamakesin, The chart is in fact a Taurus Lagna - there was a certain degree of uncertainty regarding this issue but a few astrologers have concluded that Taurus rather than Aries Lagna suits the profile of this chart more accurately - especially as the Lagna changes soon after the said birth time. I agree with you on the weakening of Saturn - the impact of its conjunction with Moon and Mars and placement in Leo probably make it as good as debilitated. It is also Debilitated in the Navamsa chart. However do u feel that its status as Yogkaraka and placement in a Kendra somewhat mitigate the negative effects? There are younger siblings on the fathers side of the family - but this individual has no ties with them - the relations are neither bad or good - they just don't keep in contact and there is no motivation to. Education has been above average with the exception of a few setbacks - although actual intellectual ability is higher than the qualifications demonstrate. Relations with the Mother are definitely strained and are a constant source of disturbance to the peace of mind. She has a very volatile and aggressive nature which has led to the subject pondering moving out from home due to this. This is a strong indication that Taurus lagna is in fact correct otherwise we would have Venus in the 4th house which would suggest a harmonious domestic life Does a focus of afflicted planets in the 4th house with the lord lacking in strength in the 1st house suggest a life full of challenges in acquiring domestic peace, assets and maintaining good health (especially in the heart-chest area )? What impact do you predict such a condition to have on the father (Sun) ? I read that a Vargottama planet is as good as being exalted - why is Venus said to cause martial disharmony when located in the 3rd house - does this rule apply when such a Venus is VO? Thank you, Maniv , "dhamakesin" <dhamakesin@s...> wrote: > Dear Maniv, > > I hope we can confirm the lagna. When I calculate the rashi for 13- > 06-1978 0315AM London DST I get Aries lagna not Taurus lagna. > > 0315AM Timezone 0 (GMT) +1 hour DST. > London 00W17'00, 51N43'00 > > Do you agree? > > Either way, Saturn in sign of enemy Sun with Mars will weaken > Saturn. Saturn with Chandra Mangala yoga will make the yoga unstable. > Also Mars with Saturn and Moon with Saturn are not beneficial yogas > either. There are no aspects from natural benefics on this > combination and the lord of this combination, the Sun, has the Saturn > aspect and is in an enemies sign (Taurus), so in total the house > containing the combination is weakened also. > > To judge completely we need to know if this is 4th or 5th house. If > 4th house then difficult relationship with Mother and not good for > education. If 5th house then not good for speculation and children > (also puts Sun in 2nd causing strong interest in accumulating wealth > and consumption). > > Are there younger siblings on father's side of family? If so this > favors Jupiter in 3rd house (Aries lagna), else it favors Taurus > lagna, Venus in 3rd house (destroys younger siblings). > > Sincerely, > Dhamakesin > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > wrote: > > > > > > Please analyse the triple conjunction in the following chart: > > > > Birth Details : 13-06-1978 0315AM London DST > > > > It's a big enough challenge blending in the significations, > > lordships, functional/natural status and aspects that planets > > represent in a normal 2 planet conjunction – when it's a triple > > conjunction the task becomes very daunting. > > > > Moon is placed in its own house (Cancer) and fairly comfortable in > > the sign of Leo. Mars although a malefic joins well with the Moon > > giving rise to Chandra-Mangal Yoga and again is comfortable in the > > sign of Leo. The damage is seemingly done by Saturn who is a great > > enemy of both planets and very awkward in the sign of Leo. However > > its status as Yogkaraka for Taurus ascendant may limit its > propensity > > to do harm. As I said there are no other aspects to these planets – > > but Saturn aspects the ascendant which has the Sun and Mercury > > present. > > > > Moon is lord of the 3rd house while Mars lords the 7th and 12th > > houses. Basically we have 3,7,9,10 and 12th lords in the 4th house. > > Do we asses the dispositor – Sun – as having directional strength > > through placement in the 1st house (in Taurus)? > > > > What intrigues me is that the 4th lord is in the 1st > > Joining the 5th lord Mercury – in effect does this imply a deep > > emphasis on the self, the character? With so many planets in the 4th > > house and the lord in the 1st house receiving an aspect from Saturn > > and joined with Mercury what are the implications? > > > > I'd be interested in your views, > > > > Thank you > > > > Maniv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 Rohini, Thank you for your insight!! A few more queries: - While each planet represents a energy - e.g Mars in the 4th house would bring aggressive and dynamic energy while Saturn would bring passive and obstructive energy- which planet would express itself (dominate) over the other ? The planet with greater strength by sign/house placement? Or does each planet get a `turn' it its relevant dasha? - How do we blend in the attributes that functional status empowers the planets with - e.g Does Saturn as 9th and 10th lord still bring Luck, expansion and career focus to the 4th house issues despite being very uncomfortable by sign and conjunction placement? With Moon- Saturn-Mars representing 5 houses through lordships I would be interested to learn of a technique to analyze such configurations. - Does the 4th lord in the 1st house suggest an emphasis of these 4th house issues and planetary energies being manipulated or 'set-up' for self-improvement /progress? Especially as the 4th lord is the Sun and it is conjunct another personal planet, Mercury? Thanks for your help, Maniv Rohini, Thank you for your insight!! A few more queries: - While each planet repreents a energy - e.g Mars in the 4th house would bring aggressive and dynamic energy while Sasturn brings passive and obstructive energy- which planet woudl express itself (dominate) over the other ? The planet with greater stegnth by sing/house placement ? - How do we belnd in the attrivuted that functional stauts brings to lanets - e.g Does Satrun as 9th and 10th Lord still bring Luck, expansion and carrer focus to the 4th ouse issues despite being very uncomfrtable by sign and conjucntino placement? - Does the 4th lord in the 1st house suggest an emphais of these 4th house issues and planetary enegries beign maniplauted or 'set-up' for self-improvement /progress? Escpailly as the 4th lord is sun and is conjucnt another penoal planet, mercury? Thanks for your help, Maniv , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > For starters, if you read uttarakalamrita (written by Kalidas but > not the Kalidas who wrote many epic poems and is claimed to have > been so absent minded that he sawed off the branch that he was > sitting on, etc. who knows how much is true -- anyway) you will find > that each house has many many many indications, so when tuning into > any one jurisdiction of the house based on a conjunction, one must > keep in mind that the other indications of the house may also > fructify. > > Too many planets in a house obviously signify the importance of that > house in current lifetime. Parashara Muni has given that principle > indirectly in his treatment of sudarshana chakra. Occupant is the > strongest indicator or executor for the house. Next comes the > consideration of what those planets represent. It is like a line of > speakers on the same stage (theme). They will express and explore > the occupancy house theme through their own natures and roles in the > horoscope. Is is like a jyotish sammelan with jyotishis with > different expertise and specialities all coming together and > throwing light on the topic. > > Good luck! > > RR > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > wrote: > > > > > > Please analyse the triple conjunction in the following chart: > > > > Birth Details : 13-06-1978 0315AM London DST > > > > It's a big enough challenge blending in the significations, > > lordships, functional/natural status and aspects that planets > > represent in a normal 2 planet conjunction – when it's a triple > > conjunction the task becomes very daunting. > > > > Moon is placed in its own house (Cancer) and fairly comfortable in > > the sign of Leo. Mars although a malefic joins well with the Moon > > giving rise to Chandra-Mangal Yoga and again is comfortable in the > > sign of Leo. The damage is seemingly done by Saturn who is a great > > enemy of both planets and very awkward in the sign of Leo. However > > its status as Yogkaraka for Taurus ascendant may limit its > propensity > > to do harm. As I said there are no other aspects to these planets – > > but Saturn aspects the ascendant which has the Sun and Mercury > > present. > > > > Moon is lord of the 3rd house while Mars lords the 7th and 12th > > houses. Basically we have 3,7,9,10 and 12th lords in the 4th house. > > Do we asses the dispositor – Sun – as having directional strength > > through placement in the 1st house (in Taurus)? > > > > What intrigues me is that the 4th lord is in the 1st > > Joining the 5th lord Mercury – in effect does this imply a deep > > emphasis on the self, the character? With so many planets in the > 4th > > house and the lord in the 1st house receiving an aspect from Saturn > > and joined with Mercury what are the implications? > > > > I'd be interested in your views, > > > > Thank you > > > > Maniv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 There is probably not any 'one' technique that would easily let one figure out the strength or quality of a planet. People take a short cut sometimes by viewing the shadbala to see which one is the strongest, but a proper way would be to factor in the specific strengths as well as the awasthas and the extension of vargabala, namely vimshopakbala and the ishta-kashta. Try to look at all of these and see if you can discern a pattern in what you want to see. You would probably not be doing this for all the charts but it is best to develop a sense using this somewhat elaborate study method. Shortcuts may work in a few cases but with the increase in sample size one runs into perplexment. RR , "maniv78" <maniv78> wrote: > Rohini, > > Thank you for your insight!! > > A few more queries: > > - While each planet represents a energy - e.g Mars in the 4th house > would bring aggressive and dynamic energy while Saturn would bring > passive and obstructive energy- which planet would express itself > (dominate) over the other ? The planet with greater strength by > sign/house placement? Or does each planet get a `turn' it its > relevant dasha? > > - How do we blend in the attributes that functional status empowers > the planets with - e.g Does Saturn as 9th and 10th lord still bring > Luck, expansion and career focus to the 4th house issues despite > being very uncomfortable by sign and conjunction placement? With Moon- > Saturn-Mars representing 5 houses through lordships I would be > interested to learn of a technique to analyze such configurations. > > > - Does the 4th lord in the 1st house suggest an emphasis of these 4th > house issues and planetary energies being manipulated or 'set-up' for > self-improvement /progress? Especially as the 4th lord is the Sun and > it is conjunct another personal planet, Mercury? > > Thanks for your help, > > Maniv > > > Rohini, > > Thank you for your insight!! > > A few more queries: > > - While each planet repreents a energy - e.g Mars in the 4th house > would bring aggressive and dynamic energy while Sasturn brings > passive and obstructive energy- which planet woudl express itself > (dominate) over the other ? The planet with greater stegnth by > sing/house placement ? > > - How do we belnd in the attrivuted that functional stauts brings to > lanets - e.g Does Satrun as 9th and 10th Lord still bring Luck, > expansion and carrer focus to the 4th ouse issues despite being very > uncomfrtable by sign and conjucntino placement? > > > - Does the 4th lord in the 1st house suggest an emphais of these 4th > house issues and planetary enegries beign maniplauted or 'set-up' for > self-improvement /progress? Escpailly as the 4th lord is sun and is > conjucnt another penoal planet, mercury? > > Thanks for your help, > > Maniv , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > For starters, if you read uttarakalamrita (written by Kalidas but > > not the Kalidas who wrote many epic poems and is claimed to have > > been so absent minded that he sawed off the branch that he was > > sitting on, etc. who knows how much is true -- anyway) you will > find > > that each house has many many many indications, so when tuning into > > any one jurisdiction of the house based on a conjunction, one must > > keep in mind that the other indications of the house may also > > fructify. > > > > Too many planets in a house obviously signify the importance of > that > > house in current lifetime. Parashara Muni has given that principle > > indirectly in his treatment of sudarshana chakra. Occupant is the > > strongest indicator or executor for the house. Next comes the > > consideration of what those planets represent. It is like a line of > > speakers on the same stage (theme). They will express and explore > > the occupancy house theme through their own natures and roles in > the > > horoscope. Is is like a jyotish sammelan with jyotishis with > > different expertise and specialities all coming together and > > throwing light on the topic. > > > > Good luck! > > > > RR > > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Please analyse the triple conjunction in the following chart: > > > > > > Birth Details : 13-06-1978 0315AM London DST > > > > > > It's a big enough challenge blending in the significations, > > > lordships, functional/natural status and aspects that planets > > > represent in a normal 2 planet conjunction – when it's a triple > > > conjunction the task becomes very daunting. > > > > > > Moon is placed in its own house (Cancer) and fairly comfortable in > > > the sign of Leo. Mars although a malefic joins well with the Moon > > > giving rise to Chandra-Mangal Yoga and again is comfortable in the > > > sign of Leo. The damage is seemingly done by Saturn who is a great > > > enemy of both planets and very awkward in the sign of Leo. However > > > its status as Yogkaraka for Taurus ascendant may limit its > > propensity > > > to do harm. As I said there are no other aspects to these > planets – > > > but Saturn aspects the ascendant which has the Sun and Mercury > > > present. > > > > > > Moon is lord of the 3rd house while Mars lords the 7th and 12th > > > houses. Basically we have 3,7,9,10 and 12th lords in the 4th > house. > > > Do we asses the dispositor – Sun – as having directional strength > > > through placement in the 1st house (in Taurus)? > > > > > > What intrigues me is that the 4th lord is in the 1st > > > Joining the 5th lord Mercury – in effect does this imply a deep > > > emphasis on the self, the character? With so many planets in the > > 4th > > > house and the lord in the 1st house receiving an aspect from > Saturn > > > and joined with Mercury what are the implications? > > > > > > I'd be interested in your views, > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Maniv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 Hi All, Here I want to ask one query,can these be really true,when a transit Mars cahrges your birht chart Mars ,so at that time you will have more martian effect,It depends upon total transit 20%,dasa 30% and your birth chart 50%.So when saturn will be stronger in transit and saturn will be more influencing that person and his /her martian quality will be inhibited by saturn.So does that mean not even a single planet is really dominating a chart,other than few exceptions when planets are exalted.So predictions and everthinyg should be based on transit,dasa and birth chart.Ya obvioulsly birth chart is very important as it decribes where that person is heading towards,but experiences in life in going to be on these three things. --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: There is probably not any 'one' technique that would easily let one figure out the strength or quality of a planet. People take a short cut sometimes by viewing the shadbala to see which one is the strongest, but a proper way would be to factor in the specific strengths as well as the awasthas and the extension of vargabala, namely vimshopakbala and the ishta-kashta. Try to look at all of these and see if you can discern a pattern in what you want to see. You would probably not be doing this for all the charts but it is best to develop a sense using this somewhat elaborate study method. Shortcuts may work in a few cases but with the increase in sample size one runs into perplexment. RR , "maniv78" <maniv78> wrote: > Rohini, > > Thank you for your insight!! > > A few more queries: > > - While each planet represents a energy - e.g Mars in the 4th house > would bring aggressive and dynamic energy while Saturn would bring > passive and obstructive energy- which planet would express itself > (dominate) over the other ? The planet with greater strength by > sign/house placement? Or does each planet get a `turn' it its > relevant dasha? > > - How do we blend in the attributes that functional status empowers > the planets with - e.g Does Saturn as 9th and 10th lord still bring > Luck, expansion and career focus to the 4th house issues despite > ===== "Life is a sleep, love is its dream; And you'll have lived if you've loved" ______________________ India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 I havent seen really any indication of what you are describing in terms of transit planets dominating over natal influences, if I understand you correctly. Sometimes, when the natal, dasha and transits line up, an effect associated with a planet or the traits and behaviour associated with the planet may predominate. In other words, it would not snow during an astrological summer. RR , Shripal <askvbnet> wrote: > Hi All, > > Here I want to ask one query,can these be really > true,when a transit Mars cahrges your birht chart Mars > ,so at that time you will have more martian effect,It > depends upon total transit 20%,dasa 30% and your birth > chart 50%.So when saturn will be stronger in transit > and saturn will be more influencing that person and > his /her martian quality will be inhibited by > saturn.So does that mean not even a single planet is > really dominating a chart,other than few exceptions > when planets are exalted.So predictions and everthinyg > should be based on transit,dasa and birth chart.Ya > obvioulsly birth chart is very important as it > decribes where that person is heading towards,but > experiences in life in going to be on these three > things. > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > There is probably not any 'one' technique that would > easily let one > figure out the strength or quality of a planet. People > take a short > cut sometimes by viewing the shadbala to see which one > is the > strongest, but a proper way would be to factor in the > specific > strengths as well as the awasthas and the extension of > vargabala, > namely vimshopakbala and the ishta-kashta. Try to look > at all of > these and see if you can discern a pattern in what you > want to see. > You would probably not be doing this for all the > charts but it is > best to develop a sense using this somewhat elaborate > study method. > Shortcuts may work in a few cases but with the > increase in sample > size one runs into perplexment. > > RR > > , "maniv78" > <maniv78> > wrote: > > Rohini, > > > > Thank you for your insight!! > > > > A few more queries: > > > > - While each planet represents a energy - e.g Mars > in the 4th > house > > would bring aggressive and dynamic energy while > Saturn would bring > > passive and obstructive energy- which planet would > express itself > > (dominate) over the other ? The planet with greater > strength by > > sign/house placement? Or does each planet get a > `turn' it its > > relevant dasha? > > > > - How do we blend in the attributes that functional > status > empowers > > the planets with - e.g Does Saturn as 9th and 10th > lord still > bring > > Luck, expansion and career focus to the 4th house > issues despite > > > > ===== > "Life is a sleep, love is its dream; And you'll have lived if you've loved" > > ___________________ ___ > India Matrimony: Find your life partner online > Go to: http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Dear Shripal, If we are able to read and judge any horoscope correctly, transit results will match with that of dasa results. The problem is with our readings/judgement. Inder - In , Shripal <askvbnet> wrote: > Hi All, > > Here I want to ask one query,can these be really > true,when a transit Mars cahrges your birht chart Mars > ,so at that time you will have more martian effect,It > depends upon total transit 20%,dasa 30% and your birth > chart 50%.So when saturn will be stronger in transit > and saturn will be more influencing that person and > his /her martian quality will be inhibited by > saturn.So does that mean not even a single planet is > really dominating a chart,other than few exceptions > when planets are exalted.So predictions and everthinyg > should be based on transit,dasa and birth chart.Ya > obvioulsly birth chart is very important as it > decribes where that person is heading towards,but > experiences in life in going to be on these three > things. > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > There is probably not any 'one' technique that would > easily let one > figure out the strength or quality of a planet. People > take a short > cut sometimes by viewing the shadbala to see which one > is the > strongest, but a proper way would be to factor in the > specific > strengths as well as the awasthas and the extension of > vargabala, > namely vimshopakbala and the ishta-kashta. Try to look > at all of > these and see if you can discern a pattern in what you > want to see. > You would probably not be doing this for all the > charts but it is > best to develop a sense using this somewhat elaborate > study method. > Shortcuts may work in a few cases but with the > increase in sample > size one runs into perplexment. > > RR > > , "maniv78" > <maniv78> > wrote: > > Rohini, > > > > Thank you for your insight!! > > > > A few more queries: > > > > - While each planet represents a energy - e.g Mars > in the 4th > house > > would bring aggressive and dynamic energy while > Saturn would bring > > passive and obstructive energy- which planet would > express itself > > (dominate) over the other ? The planet with greater > strength by > > sign/house placement? Or does each planet get a > `turn' it its > > relevant dasha? > > > > - How do we blend in the attributes that functional > status > empowers > > the planets with - e.g Does Saturn as 9th and 10th > lord still > bring > > Luck, expansion and career focus to the 4th house > issues despite > > > > ===== > "Life is a sleep, love is its dream; And you'll have lived if you've loved" > > ___________________ ___ > India Matrimony: Find your life partner online > Go to: http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Dear Maniv, I would say that the strongest planet is Moon due to having digbala and it is stabilized by being in a friends sign. However it is destabilized due to being with Mars and Saturn but without any relief from strong Jupiter or Venus. Moon is a natural benefic due to > 72 degrees from the Sun. Moon is yogi (positive). Next, in mixed condition, in Mercury. It is strong due to digbala and stabilized by being in a sign of a friend. But is is weakened because it is combust. This can indicate high intelligence though (also there are yoga indicating this and Rahu in 5th in Virgo). Mercury is a natural malefic in this case by aspect of Saturn. Mercury is Avayogi (negative). The rest are all ordinary condition but destabilized for the following reasons (in order of estimate strength/stability, strongest first). Due to instability, you can expect fluctuations in the significations of the planets and the affairs of the houses ruled. Mars has Saturn aspect and is in a friends sign. Saturn has Mars aspect and is in an enemies sign, but also has Moon aspect. (Saturn is duplicate yogi (positive).) Sun has Saturn aspect and is in an enemies sign. Jupiter is in an enemies sign. Venus is in an enemies sign. Rahu in 5th in Virgo is very good for intelligence, sports, politics, arts, crafts, investments, moral character, integity, and sense of destiny, but bad for love affairs. Ketu in 11 is good for wealth, but it does have a Mars aspect adding some difficulties, perhaps in group projects. Now the results of the houses by condition of the house, lord, and significator can be made independently of the results of the yogas. Also if you want to know about the father you can look at the Sun and ninth house in the rashi and navamsha (as a general divisional chart). Q. Does Saturn's status as Yogkaraka and placement in a Kendra somewhat mitigate the negative effects? A. I think it will not help. In fact malefics in angles are difficult. Saturn is yogakaraka because it is lord of 9 and 10. However this raja yoga is not strong unless Saturn is strong. Weakness is indicated since Saturn is with Mars and in an enemies sign and in the divisional charts Saturn is often in a sign or Mars or Sun. But the Moon should help Saturn due to its natural benefic quality. Q. Does a focus of afflicted planets in the 4th house with the lord lacking in strength in the 1st house suggest a life full of challenges in acquiring domestic peace, assets and maintaining good health (especially in the heart-chest area )? A. There will be difficulties with domestic peace with Mars there. Mars is significator of property for the fourth house, and when in that house with Saturn is not good for property accumulation. Moon with Mars is bad for mother even though it is a Chandra Mangala yoga. But the Moon is strong due to digbala so I think the Mother and emotions will be not as bad as expected with this combination. There is some resistance. Normally having the yogakaraka in the 4th house is good. This will be true if it is strong and not afflicted, but it is afflicted by Mars but helped by Moon. Mercury is significator of education for the fourth house and it is mixed condition so education should be average. Venus is the significator of vehicles for the fourth house and is in ordinary condition so vehicles should be average. For health of heart-chest area consider Sun (life of heart), Moon (fluid), and Mercury (innervation), and the fourth house. Q.What impact do you predict such a condition to have on the father (Sun) ? A. Dr. K S Charak (Essentials of Medical Astrology) has said that you may judge the condition of the heart from the following. The afflictions are from Mars, Saturn, Rahu, Ketu, and trik lords. 1. Sun, when several malefics afflict it heart disease may occur. 2. Leo, affliction is detrimental to the heart. 3. Fifth house, affliction to fifth and it's lord cause heart ailments. 4. Fourth house for the chest, specifically heart surgey. In this case, Sun has Saturn aspect. Fifth house has Rahu, fourth house and Leo has Mars and Saturn influence. I think it is worse for the heart than for the Father. Q. I read that a Vargottama planet is as good as being exalted - why is Venus said to cause martial disharmony when located in the 3rd house - does this rule apply when such a Venus is VO? A. Vargottoma means being in the same sign in the divisional chart (usually applied to navamsha). This may indicate strength or weakness depending upon the nature of the sign and house and planet. A malefic in a malefic house can be good. A benefic in a benefic house is good. Other combinations are mixed. Venus (significator of the seventh, and 6th lord) in the 3rd house, a kama house, indicates a tendency to satisfy desires impulsively. (Lords of 3, 6, and 11 are considered malefic.) This can be bad in a marriage (or partnership), which requires compromise, if not controlled. It is not considered good to be impulsive in relationships, although it may be enjoyable. If Venus is vargottoma it can mean it is stronger to do either good (natural) or bad (temporal). Natural benefics can cause suffering through attachments, excesses, and blinding desires, although they bring wealth and desirable experiences. The main problem is when greed, lust, and likes get in control (remember Duryodhana, Dushashan, and Karna in Mahabharat). Hopefully this answers more questions than it presents. Certainly you must use your intuition to resolve the conflicts. Especially the timing of events will require looking at the operating dasha, antaradasha. Currently running Moon-Venus. The third (owned by Moon) fourth house (Moon in it), and tenth house (Moon aspect) issues will be activated at this time. Also, Venus is 12th from Moon so expenditures should be expected, but Venus in 12 may also bring the income for those expenses, or foreign work. Sincerely, Dhamakesin , "maniv78" <maniv78> wrote: > Dhamakesin, > > The chart is in fact a Taurus Lagna - there was a certain degree of > uncertainty regarding this issue but a few astrologers have concluded > that Taurus rather than Aries Lagna suits the profile of this chart > more accurately - especially as the Lagna changes soon after the said > birth time. > > I agree with you on the weakening of Saturn - the impact of its > conjunction with Moon and Mars and placement in Leo probably make it > as good as debilitated. It is also Debilitated in the Navamsa chart. > However do u feel that its status as Yogkaraka and placement in a > Kendra somewhat mitigate the negative effects? > > There are younger siblings on the fathers side of the family - but > this individual has no ties with them - the relations are neither bad > or good - they just don't keep in contact and there is no motivation > to. > > Education has been above average with the exception of a few > setbacks - although actual intellectual ability is higher than the > qualifications demonstrate. > > Relations with the Mother are definitely strained and are a constant > source of disturbance to the peace of mind. She has a very volatile > and aggressive nature which has led to the subject pondering moving > out from home due to this. This is a strong indication that Taurus > lagna is in fact correct otherwise we would have Venus in the 4th > house which would suggest a harmonious domestic life > > Does a focus of afflicted planets in the 4th house with the lord > lacking in strength in the 1st house suggest a life full of > challenges in acquiring domestic peace, assets and maintaining good > health (especially in the heart-chest area )? What impact do you > predict such a condition to have on the father (Sun) ? > > I read that a Vargottama planet is as good as being exalted - why is > Venus said to cause martial disharmony when located in the 3rd house - > does this rule apply when such a Venus is VO? > > Thank you, > > Maniv > > > , "dhamakesin" > <dhamakesin@s...> wrote: > > Dear Maniv, > > > > I hope we can confirm the lagna. When I calculate the rashi for 13- > > 06-1978 0315AM London DST I get Aries lagna not Taurus lagna. > > > > 0315AM Timezone 0 (GMT) +1 hour DST. > > London 00W17'00, 51N43'00 > > > > Do you agree? > > > > Either way, Saturn in sign of enemy Sun with Mars will weaken > > Saturn. Saturn with Chandra Mangala yoga will make the yoga > unstable. > > Also Mars with Saturn and Moon with Saturn are not beneficial yogas > > either. There are no aspects from natural benefics on this > > combination and the lord of this combination, the Sun, has the > Saturn > > aspect and is in an enemies sign (Taurus), so in total the house > > containing the combination is weakened also. > > > > To judge completely we need to know if this is 4th or 5th house. > If > > 4th house then difficult relationship with Mother and not good for > > education. If 5th house then not good for speculation and children > > (also puts Sun in 2nd causing strong interest in accumulating > wealth > > and consumption). > > > > Are there younger siblings on father's side of family? If so this > > favors Jupiter in 3rd house (Aries lagna), else it favors Taurus > > lagna, Venus in 3rd house (destroys younger siblings). > > > > Sincerely, > > Dhamakesin > > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Please analyse the triple conjunction in the following chart: > > > > > > Birth Details : 13-06-1978 0315AM London DST > > > > > > It's a big enough challenge blending in the significations, > > > lordships, functional/natural status and aspects that planets > > > represent in a normal 2 planet conjunction – when it's a triple > > > conjunction the task becomes very daunting. > > > > > > Moon is placed in its own house (Cancer) and fairly comfortable in > > > the sign of Leo. Mars although a malefic joins well with the Moon > > > giving rise to Chandra-Mangal Yoga and again is comfortable in the > > > sign of Leo. The damage is seemingly done by Saturn who is a great > > > enemy of both planets and very awkward in the sign of Leo. However > > > its status as Yogkaraka for Taurus ascendant may limit its > > propensity > > > to do harm. As I said there are no other aspects to these > planets – > > > but Saturn aspects the ascendant which has the Sun and Mercury > > > present. > > > > > > Moon is lord of the 3rd house while Mars lords the 7th and 12th > > > houses. Basically we have 3,7,9,10 and 12th lords in the 4th > house. > > > Do we asses the dispositor – Sun – as having directional strength > > > through placement in the 1st house (in Taurus)? > > > > > > What intrigues me is that the 4th lord is in the 1st > > > Joining the 5th lord Mercury – in effect does this imply a deep > > > emphasis on the self, the character? With so many planets in the > 4th > > > house and the lord in the 1st house receiving an aspect from > Saturn > > > and joined with Mercury what are the implications? > > > > > > I'd be interested in your views, > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > Maniv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Hi, Yeh that's what transit ,dasa and natal line up it will predominate its influence.That's the time you may not be able to really just predict from natal whether these incident with an individual is surely going to take place,you may know a glim's of it.So how much really one should depend only on natal.If we can see in one's natal he is having killer instinct,but dasa or transit in future will really never make him to kill some .So how we go about these situation while reading a natal. --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: I havent seen really any indication of what you are describing in terms of transit planets dominating over natal influences, if I understand you correctly. Sometimes, when the natal, dasha and transits line up, an effect associated with a planet or the traits and behaviour associated with the planet may predominate. In other words, it would not snow during an astrological summer. RR , Shripal <askvbnet> wrote: > Hi All, > > Here I want to ask one query,can these be really > true,when a transit Mars cahrges your birht chart Mars > ,so at that time you will have more martian effect,It > depends upon total transit 20%,dasa 30% and your birth > chart 50%.So when saturn will be stronger in transit > and saturn will be more influencing that person and > his /her martian quality will be inhibited by > saturn.So does that mean not even a single planet is > really dominating a chart,other than few exceptions > when planets are exalted.So predictions and everthinyg > should be based on transit,dasa and birth chart.Ya > obvioulsly birth chart is very important as it > decribes where that person is heading towards,but > experiences in life in going to be on these three > things. > > > ===== "Life is a sleep, love is its dream; And you'll have lived if you've loved" ______________________ India Matrimony: Find your life partner online Go to: http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2004 Report Share Posted August 9, 2004 Dhamakesin, Thank you for making time to give an in-depth analysis of the chart. Its greatly appreciated. I have the following comments to make: "I would say that the strongest planet is Moon due to having digbala and it is stabilized by being in a friends sign. However it is destabilized due to being with Mars and Saturn but without any relief from strong Jupiter or Venus. Moon is a natural benefic due to > 72 degrees from the Sun. Moon is yogi (positive)." > I have reached a similar conclusion when analysing the planets based on placement by sign, house, aspect and Rasi/Navamsa chart placement. The Moon always seems to register the highest strength but the Moon dasha has been 70% bad and 30% good. Maybe its status as the 3rd lord (which is always said to be a detrimental lordship) and placement with Mars (12th lord) and enemy Saturn - and having a weak depositor (Sun) neutralise its strength. "Next, in mixed condition, in Mercury. It is strong due to digbala and stabilized by being in a sign of a friend. But it is weakened because it is combust. This can indicate high intelligence though (also there are yoga indicating this and Rahu in 5th in Virgo). Mercury is a natural malefic in this case by aspect of Saturn. Mercury is Avayogi (negative)." > Mercury seems to be the `dominant' planet in this chart in the sense that attributes such as wit, youthfulness, communication abilities, mutability and intelligence figure prominently in the character. Obviously the placement of Mercury in the first house (character, personality) is likely to have a strong influence. The aspect of Saturn seems only to have limited and slightly delayed expansion of these traits rather then made them negative. "The rest are all ordinary condition but destabilized for the following reasons (in order of estimate strength/stability, strongest first). Due to instability, you can expect fluctuations in the significations of the planets and the affairs of the houses ruled. > Mars has Saturn aspect and is in a friends sign. Saturn has Mars aspect and is in an enemies sign, but also has Moon aspect. (Saturn is duplicate yogi (positive).) Sun has Saturn aspect and is in an enemies sign. Jupiter is in an enemies sign. Venus is in an enemies sign." > Does Saturn remain positive despite the negative combination with Moon-Mars? It is also debilitated in Navamsa.......... Is placement in an enemies sign enough to spoil the energies of a planet? E.g Jupiter in Gemini in not its worst placement and seems to support the intellectual aspect of the chart (Budhhi-Aditya Yoga in the first house, Rahu in Virgo in the 5th house) as it tends to promote a great first for learning in the `Jupiter mode' - philosophy, dharma etc. Venus in Cancer is a strange one. The Moon gets exalted in Taurus which is a sign owned by Venus so Venus placed in Cancer is not as bad as say Virgo. Dont emotions, sensitivity (Cancer) mix well with romance, passion, sensuality (Venus) ? Just a thought........ "Rahu in 5th in Virgo is very good for intelligence, sports, politics, arts, crafts, investments, moral character, integity, and sense of destiny, but bad for love affairs." > Here Rahu acts as Mercury. Mercury being relatively strong gives Rahu extra strength and it seems Rahu will `direct' the 5th house affairs for the purpose of 1st house success - self, character, appereannce etc....... "Q. Does Saturn's status as Yogkaraka and placement in a Kendra somewhat mitigate the negative effects? A. I think it will not help. In fact malefics in angles are difficult. Saturn is yogakaraka because it is lord of 9 and 10. However this raja yoga is not strong unless Saturn is strong. Weakness is indicated since Saturn is with Mars and in an enemies sign and in the divisional charts Saturn is often in a sign or Mars or Sun. But the Moon should help Saturn due to its natural benefic quality." > Can the Moon help Saturn if they have great enmity? "Q. Does a focus of afflicted planets in the 4th house with the lord lacking in strength in the 1st house suggest a life full of challenges in acquiring domestic peace, assets and maintaining good health (especially in the heart-chest area )? A. There will be difficulties with domestic peace with Mars there. Mars is significator of property for the fourth house, and when in that house with Saturn is not good for property accumulation. Moon with Mars is bad for mother even though it is a Chandra Mangala yoga. But the Moon is strong due to digbala so I think the Mother and emotions will be not as bad as expected with this combination. There is some resistance. Normally having the yogakaraka in the 4th house is good. This will be true if it is strong and not afflicted, but it is afflicted by Mars but helped by Moon. Mercury is significator of education for the fourth house and it is mixed condition so education should be average. Venus is the significator of vehicles for the fourth house and is in ordinary condition so vehicles should be average." > Mars seems definitely to have affected domestic peace where relations with the mother take centre stage. Moon also represents the mind which seems relatively stable despite volatility in the home. The Saturn conjunction seems top have `disciplined' the mind - conditioned it to crave structure, order and routine. "For health of heart-chest area consider Sun (life of heart), Moon (fluid), and Mercury (innervation), and the fourth house. Q.What impact do you predict such a condition to have on the father (Sun) ? A. Dr. K S Charak (Essentials of Medical Astrology) has said that you may judge the condition of the heart from the following. The afflictions are from Mars, Saturn, Rahu, Ketu, and trik lords. 1. Sun, when several malefics afflict it heart disease may occur. 2. Leo, affliction is detrimental to the heart. 3. Fifth house, affliction to fifth and it's lord cause heart ailments. 4. Fourth house for the chest, specifically heart surgey. In this case, Sun has Saturn aspect. Fifth house has Rahu, fourth house and Leo has Mars and Saturn influence. I think it is worse for the heart than for the Father." > I think as both the heart and father are represented by The Sun and both the 4th house and Sun are afflicted and linked together so strongly this implies challenges in both areas. No heart problems as of yet but Father expired in early childhood which is hard to observe from the chart I'm sure you'll agree. "Q. I read that a Vargottama planet is as good as being exalted - why is Venus said to cause martial disharmony when located in the 3rd house - does this rule apply when such a Venus is VO? A. Vargottoma means being in the same sign in the divisional chart (usually applied to navamsha). This may indicate strength or weakness depending upon the nature of the sign and house and planet. A malefic in a malefic house can be good. A benefic in a benefic house is good. Other combinations are mixed. Venus (significator of the seventh, and 6th lord) in the 3rd house, a kama house, indicates a tendency to satisfy desires impulsively. (Lords of 3, 6, and 11 are considered malefic.) This can be bad in a marriage (or partnership), which requires compromise, if not controlled. It is not considered good to be impulsive in relationships, although it may be enjoyable. If Venus is vargottoma it can mean it is stronger to do either good (natural) or bad (temporal). Natural benefics can cause suffering through attachments, excesses, and blinding desires, although they bring wealth and desirable experiences. The main problem is when greed, lust, and likes get in control (remember Duryodhana, Dushashan, and Karna in Mahabharat)." > So a vargottama planet is strong to harm/good in accordance with its house/sign placement. The general significations of Venus are spouse, appearance, creativity and in the case of this chart the 1st and 6th houses. Venus is subjected to no negative aspects and has a fairly strong dispositor in The Moon. Maybe it can be thus concluded that the appearance (1st house) will be attractive, there will be benefits from younger siblings (3rd house)but also the risk of some enmity(6h House) and high creativity in written communication and general intelligence (3rd House). Once again thank you for your valuable insight, Maniv , "dhamakesin" <dhamakesin@s...> wrote: > Dear Maniv, > > I would say that the strongest planet is Moon due to having digbala > and it is stabilized by being in a friends sign. However it is > destabilized due to being with Mars and Saturn but without any relief > from strong Jupiter or Venus. Moon is a natural benefic due to > 72 > degrees from the Sun. Moon is yogi (positive). > > Next, in mixed condition, in Mercury. It is strong due to digbala > and stabilized by being in a sign of a friend. But is is weakened > because it is combust. This can indicate high intelligence though > (also there are yoga indicating this and Rahu in 5th in Virgo). > Mercury is a natural malefic in this case by aspect of Saturn. > Mercury is Avayogi (negative). > > The rest are all ordinary condition but destabilized for the > following reasons (in order of estimate strength/stability, strongest > first). Due to instability, you can expect fluctuations in the > significations of the planets and the affairs of the houses ruled. > > Mars has Saturn aspect and is in a friends sign. > Saturn has Mars aspect and is in an enemies sign, but also has Moon > aspect. (Saturn is duplicate yogi (positive).) > Sun has Saturn aspect and is in an enemies sign. > Jupiter is in an enemies sign. > Venus is in an enemies sign. > > Rahu in 5th in Virgo is very good for intelligence, sports, politics, > arts, crafts, investments, moral character, integity, and sense of > destiny, but bad for love affairs. > > Ketu in 11 is good for wealth, but it does have a Mars aspect adding > some difficulties, perhaps in group projects. > > Now the results of the houses by condition of the house, lord, and > significator can be made independently of the results of the yogas. > Also if you want to know about the father you can look at the Sun and > ninth house in the rashi and navamsha (as a general divisional chart). > > Q. Does Saturn's status as Yogkaraka and placement in a Kendra > somewhat mitigate the negative effects? > > A. I think it will not help. In fact malefics in angles are > difficult. Saturn is yogakaraka because it is lord of 9 and 10. > However this raja yoga is not strong unless Saturn is strong. > Weakness is indicated since Saturn is with Mars and in an enemies > sign and in the divisional charts Saturn is often in a sign or Mars > or Sun. But the Moon should help Saturn due to its natural benefic > quality. > > Q. Does a focus of afflicted planets in the 4th house with the lord > lacking in strength in the 1st house suggest a life full of > challenges in acquiring domestic peace, assets and maintaining good > health (especially in the heart-chest area )? > > A. There will be difficulties with domestic peace with Mars there. > Mars is significator of property for the fourth house, and when in > that house with Saturn is not good for property accumulation. Moon > with Mars is bad for mother even though it is a Chandra Mangala > yoga. But the Moon is strong due to digbala so I think the Mother > and emotions will be not as bad as expected with this combination. > There is some resistance. Normally having the yogakaraka in the 4th > house is good. This will be true if it is strong and not afflicted, > but it is afflicted by Mars but helped by Moon. Mercury is > significator of education for the fourth house and it is mixed > condition so education should be average. Venus is the significator > of vehicles for the fourth house and is in ordinary condition so > vehicles should be average. > > For health of heart-chest area consider Sun (life of heart), Moon > (fluid), and Mercury (innervation), and the fourth house. > > Q.What impact do you predict such a condition to have on the father > (Sun) ? > > A. Dr. K S Charak (Essentials of Medical Astrology) has said that you > may judge the condition of the heart from the following. The > afflictions are from Mars, Saturn, Rahu, Ketu, and trik lords. > > 1. Sun, when several malefics afflict it heart disease may occur. > 2. Leo, affliction is detrimental to the heart. > 3. Fifth house, affliction to fifth and it's lord cause heart > ailments. > 4. Fourth house for the chest, specifically heart surgey. > > In this case, Sun has Saturn aspect. Fifth house has Rahu, fourth > house and Leo has Mars and Saturn influence. > > I think it is worse for the heart than for the Father. > > Q. I read that a Vargottama planet is as good as being exalted - why > is Venus said to cause martial disharmony when located in the 3rd > house - does this rule apply when such a Venus is VO? > > A. Vargottoma means being in the same sign in the divisional chart > (usually applied to navamsha). This may indicate strength or > weakness depending upon the nature of the sign and house and planet. > A malefic in a malefic house can be good. A benefic in a benefic > house is good. Other combinations are mixed. > > Venus (significator of the seventh, and 6th lord) in the 3rd house, a > kama house, indicates a tendency to satisfy desires impulsively. > (Lords of 3, 6, and 11 are considered malefic.) This can be bad in a > marriage (or partnership), which requires compromise, if not > controlled. It is not considered good to be impulsive in > relationships, although it may be enjoyable. If Venus is vargottoma > it can mean it is stronger to do either good (natural) or bad > (temporal). Natural benefics can cause suffering through > attachments, excesses, and blinding desires, although they bring > wealth and desirable experiences. The main problem is when greed, > lust, and likes get in control (remember Duryodhana, Dushashan, and > Karna in Mahabharat). > > Hopefully this answers more questions than it presents. Certainly > you must use your intuition to resolve the conflicts. Especially the > timing of events will require looking at the operating dasha, > antaradasha. Currently running Moon-Venus. The third (owned by > Moon) fourth house (Moon in it), and tenth house (Moon aspect) issues > will be activated at this time. Also, Venus is 12th from Moon so > expenditures should be expected, but Venus in 12 may also bring the > income for those expenses, or foreign work. > > Sincerely, > Dhamakesin > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > wrote: > > Dhamakesin, > > > > The chart is in fact a Taurus Lagna - there was a certain degree of > > uncertainty regarding this issue but a few astrologers have > concluded > > that Taurus rather than Aries Lagna suits the profile of this chart > > more accurately - especially as the Lagna changes soon after the > said > > birth time. > > > > I agree with you on the weakening of Saturn - the impact of its > > conjunction with Moon and Mars and placement in Leo probably make > it > > as good as debilitated. It is also Debilitated in the Navamsa > chart. > > However do u feel that its status as Yogkaraka and placement in a > > Kendra somewhat mitigate the negative effects? > > > > There are younger siblings on the fathers side of the family - but > > this individual has no ties with them - the relations are neither > bad > > or good - they just don't keep in contact and there is no > motivation > > to. > > > > Education has been above average with the exception of a few > > setbacks - although actual intellectual ability is higher than the > > qualifications demonstrate. > > > > Relations with the Mother are definitely strained and are a > constant > > source of disturbance to the peace of mind. She has a very > volatile > > and aggressive nature which has led to the subject pondering > moving > > out from home due to this. This is a strong indication that Taurus > > lagna is in fact correct otherwise we would have Venus in the 4th > > house which would suggest a harmonious domestic life > > > > Does a focus of afflicted planets in the 4th house with the lord > > lacking in strength in the 1st house suggest a life full of > > challenges in acquiring domestic peace, assets and maintaining good > > health (especially in the heart-chest area )? What impact do you > > predict such a condition to have on the father (Sun) ? > > > > I read that a Vargottama planet is as good as being exalted - why > is > > Venus said to cause martial disharmony when located in the 3rd > house - > > does this rule apply when such a Venus is VO? > > > > Thank you, > > > > Maniv > > > > > > , "dhamakesin" > > <dhamakesin@s...> wrote: > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > I hope we can confirm the lagna. When I calculate the rashi for > 13- > > > 06-1978 0315AM London DST I get Aries lagna not Taurus lagna. > > > > > > 0315AM Timezone 0 (GMT) +1 hour DST. > > > London 00W17'00, 51N43'00 > > > > > > Do you agree? > > > > > > Either way, Saturn in sign of enemy Sun with Mars will weaken > > > Saturn. Saturn with Chandra Mangala yoga will make the yoga > > unstable. > > > Also Mars with Saturn and Moon with Saturn are not beneficial > yogas > > > either. There are no aspects from natural benefics on this > > > combination and the lord of this combination, the Sun, has the > > Saturn > > > aspect and is in an enemies sign (Taurus), so in total the house > > > containing the combination is weakened also. > > > > > > To judge completely we need to know if this is 4th or 5th house. > > If > > > 4th house then difficult relationship with Mother and not good > for > > > education. If 5th house then not good for speculation and > children > > > (also puts Sun in 2nd causing strong interest in accumulating > > wealth > > > and consumption). > > > > > > Are there younger siblings on father's side of family? If so > this > > > favors Jupiter in 3rd house (Aries lagna), else it favors Taurus > > > lagna, Venus in 3rd house (destroys younger siblings). > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Dhamakesin > > > > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Please analyse the triple conjunction in the following chart: > > > > > > > > Birth Details : 13-06-1978 0315AM London DST > > > > > > > > It's a big enough challenge blending in the significations, > > > > lordships, functional/natural status and aspects that planets > > > > represent in a normal 2 planet conjunction – when it's a triple > > > > conjunction the task becomes very daunting. > > > > > > > > Moon is placed in its own house (Cancer) and fairly comfortable > in > > > > the sign of Leo. Mars although a malefic joins well with the > Moon > > > > giving rise to Chandra-Mangal Yoga and again is comfortable in > the > > > > sign of Leo. The damage is seemingly done by Saturn who is a > great > > > > enemy of both planets and very awkward in the sign of Leo. > However > > > > its status as Yogkaraka for Taurus ascendant may limit its > > > propensity > > > > to do harm. As I said there are no other aspects to these > > planets – > > > > but Saturn aspects the ascendant which has the Sun and Mercury > > > > present. > > > > > > > > Moon is lord of the 3rd house while Mars lords the 7th and 12th > > > > houses. Basically we have 3,7,9,10 and 12th lords in the 4th > > house. > > > > Do we asses the dispositor – Sun – as having directional > strength > > > > through placement in the 1st house (in Taurus)? > > > > > > > > What intrigues me is that the 4th lord is in the 1st > > > > Joining the 5th lord Mercury – in effect does this imply a deep > > > > emphasis on the self, the character? With so many planets in > the > > 4th > > > > house and the lord in the 1st house receiving an aspect from > > Saturn > > > > and joined with Mercury what are the implications? > > > > > > > > I'd be interested in your views, > > > > > > > > Thank you > > > > > > > > Maniv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Dear Maniv, I'm happy that I could help some, it is a lifelong study and I am learning from everyone. One item that may help to understand the comments I made is the method that was used. I am using a few concepts: strength, stability, natural and temporal characteristics, yogi status, and house rulership. The strengths includes ownership, exhaltation, dig bala, retrogression, bright moon (6-8 from Sun). The weaknesses includes debility, combustion, planetary war, eclipse, dark moon (1-2 from Sun). The role the planet plays indicates if it is malefic or benefic. So if strong, it is strong to do either, and if weak, it is weak to do either. Stability of instability are caused by the aspects of benefics (especially Jupiter and Venus) or malefics. Instability causes fluctuations in the results, in other words, intermittent results. This is where many jyotishis will use a different rule. Commonly the stability or instability is included in strength calculation (e.g., the shad bala drig bala). Some assign more weight to aspects than the shad bala calcualtion allows. There is another principle that malefics in malefic houses can improve matters for the house, and benefics in benefic houses can improve matter for the house, and that other combinations are mixed in status or do harm. (This builds upon the idea that malefics in malefic houses (rashi: 6, 8, 12; divisional: 3, 6, 8, 12) positively uses the energy and minimizes the effect in houses they own.) You said: "the Moon dasha has been 70% bad and 30% good. Maybe its status as the 3rd lord (which is always said to be a detrimental lordship) and placement with Mars (12th lord) and enemy Saturn - and having a weak depositor (Sun) neutralise its strength." Yes, I agree, although naturally benefic, in it's role as third lord the Moon is malefic and Mars, Saturn, and weak Sun add to it, even though Saturn is ninth lord. Your said: "Mercury seems to be the `dominant' planet in this chart in the sense that attributes such as wit, youthfulness, communication abilities, mutability and intelligence figure prominently in the character. Obviously the placement of Mercury in the first house (character, personality) is likely to have a strong influence. The aspect of Saturn seems only to have limited and slightly delayed expansion of these traits rather then made them negative" This is interesting, and seems that you have a good explanation for it. Yes, limit and delay is Saturn like. I suppose the satwic nature of the Sun helps here, and gives a strong sense of self, but with the Saturn aspect, I would expect an element of humility, or in the worst case low self-esteem. You said: "Does Saturn remain positive despite the negative combination with Moon-Mars? It is also debilitated in Navamsa." Well, by positve I mean it's role as lord of 9 and 10. The status in the divisional charts will indicate weaknesses pertaining to the division. But yes, in navamsha, which is also a general division chart, it means some weakness, but still positive. But the positive is a role, and the nature of Saturn still remains "rough". You said: "Is placement in an enemies sign enough to spoil the energies of a planet? E.g Jupiter in Gemini in not its worst placement and seems to support the intellectual aspect of the chart (Budhhi-Aditya Yoga in the first house, Rahu in Virgo in the 5th house) as it tends to promote a great first for learning in the `Jupiter mode' - philosophy, dharma etc." It will destabilize it, or if debilitated really weaken it. Your said: "Venus in Cancer is a strange one. The Moon gets exalted in Taurus which is a sign owned by Venus so Venus placed in Cancer is not as bad as say Virgo. Don't emotions, sensitivity (Cancer) mix well with romance, passion, sensuality (Venus) ? Just a thought." Well, the analysis of Venus in Cancer is insecurity (multiple marriages, timidity, arrogance, financial fluctuations, loner). The physical nature of the Moon does not combine well with the friendship seeking of Venus here. Note that Moon is neutral but to Venus, but Venus is an enemy of Sun and Moon. Note the two general friendship camps of the planets: those trinal lords to Saturn signs Capricorn and Aquarius (earth-air signs), and those trinal lords to Sun and Moon signs Leo and Cancer (fire-water signs). Your said: [Rahu in 5th in Virgo] "Here Rahu acts as Mercury. Mercury being relatively strong gives Rahu extra strength and it seems Rahu will `direct' the 5th house affairs for the purpose of 1st house success - self, character, appereannce etc." Due to Virgo rulership by Mercury, so Rahu shares this. You said: "Can the Moon help Saturn if they have great enmity?" Buy it's benefic nature (so it does not destabilize Saturn), but it is a temporal enemy because they are together. Maybe I am wrong here, (but that was my first thought). You said: "Mars seems definitely to have affected domestic peace where relations with the mother take centre stage. Moon also represents the mind which seems relatively stable despite volatility in the home. The Saturn conjunction seems top have `disciplined' the mind - conditioned it to crave structure, order and routine." Perhaps Saturn is helping calmness due to the 9th lord role it has, providing some stability, but also the dig bala of the Moon is a tremendous help. "For health of heart-chest area consider Sun (life of heart), Moon (fluid), and Mercury (innervation), and the fourth house. I think it is worse for the heart than for the Father. You said: "I think as both the heart and father are represented by The Sun and both the 4th house and Sun are afflicted and linked together so strongly this implies challenges in both areas. No heart problems as of yet but Father expired in early childhood which is hard to observe from the chart I'm sure you'll agree." Yes. You said: "So a vargottama planet is strong to harm/good in accordance with its house/sign placement. The general significations of Venus are spouse, appearance, creativity and in the case of this chart the 1st and 6th houses. Venus is subjected to no negative aspects and has a fairly strong dispositor in The Moon. Maybe it can be thus concluded that the appearance (1st house) will be attractive, there will be benefits from younger siblings (3rd house) but also the risk of some enmity (6h House) and high creativity in written communication and general intelligence (3rd House)." This looks like a good analysis. In general though Rahu and Moon are imaginitive, with Rahu being the innovator. Mercury helps with wit, and the Moon makes a writer, Venus helps with poetry too (it is romantic). I don't usually think of Venus as so creative as friendly and sexual, but there must be an element of playfulness there. Third house will be performing arts also. Thank you for your valuable insight also, Dhamakesin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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