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You must actually intrude more so that we all can learn from your

knowledge and experience. Well, I have a question too. Could you

give your views about vargottam and its effects in practical charts

(any example if you could give) and how much importance do YOU give

to vargottam concept? for debilitation vargottam should make it

worse but say a planet is in enemy's sign and vargottam...what are

its effect then or vargottam is only good for the planets placed in

favorable signs.

 

--Manoshi

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> Manoshi, if I may introduce my two cents here, the vargottama has

> more to do with sattwik dreshkana (drekkana. dreshkona as some

> contemporary jyotishis have spelled it) than navamsha with the

same

> numbered sign as in rashi!

>

> I will now hold my tongue! Sorry for intruding!!

>

> RR

>

>

>

> , "Manoshi Chatterjee"

> <khallopapa> wrote:

> > As I understand, a planet in its vargottam state gets more

> strength.

> > So if a debilitated planet is again debilitated in navamsa will

> get

> > strength as a debilitated planet...so not auspicious. Another

> logic

> > which can be given is, the a debilitated planet in rasi chart

gets

> > cancellation of debilitation if the planet is in exaltation sign

> in

> > navamsa so naturally if it is in debilitation sign in navansa

> > again ,will have worse effects.

> >

> > --Manoshi

> >

> >

> >

> > , Nandkumar Chinai

> > <nvchinai> wrote:

> > > Moon is in Scorpio in both Rasi and Navamsa in this particular

> > case i.e it is debilated. So do I understand that it gives

> strength

> > to moon because of the Vargottam condition is satisfied, inspite

> of

> > debility ?

> > > Kindly clarify.

> > >

> > > -Nandkumar

> > >

> > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > Vargottam planet is that planet which occupies the same

zodiacal

> > > sign in rashi as in navamsa chart (many people suggest... same

> > sign

> > > as in rashi and any divisional chart). It increases the

strength

> > of

> > > the planet and is generally said to give auspicious results.

eg.

> > if

> > > sun is in Leo in natal rashi chart and in the navansa chart,

it

> is

> > > said to be vargottam. Indira Gandhi had 4 vargottam planets.

Now

> > you

> > > can cast your chart and find out yourself...:-)

> > >

> > > --Manoshi

> > >

> > > , Nandkumar Chinai

> > > <nvchinai> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Members:

> > > >

> > > > What is a Vargottam Planet ? What is the significance of a

> > > Vargottam Planet ?

> > > >

> > > > Is there a planet which is Vargottam in this chart:

> > > >

> > > > 29th July 1974

> > > >

> > > > 06:30 Am (IST)

> > > >

> > > > 73E37

> > > > 23N02

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

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Manoshi,

 

Far be it for me to take on that lofty responsibility that you so

readily and kindly bestow upon me! When others many years older than

me have already touched on that topic, d-e-c-a-d-e-s ago! I have

written several times tight here about Rattan Lal, and his book

entitled, "Nadi System of Prediction (Stellar Theory) [the edition I

have dates back to 1=september 1983]. It is all there! I hope many

of you have actually looked for it, or tried to find it from the

modern comforts of your ergonomic computer chaise.

 

RR

 

 

, "Manoshi Chatterjee"

<khallopapa> wrote:

> You must actually intrude more so that we all can learn from your

> knowledge and experience. Well, I have a question too. Could you

> give your views about vargottam and its effects in practical charts

> (any example if you could give) and how much importance do YOU

give

> to vargottam concept? for debilitation vargottam should make it

> worse but say a planet is in enemy's sign and vargottam...what are

> its effect then or vargottam is only good for the planets placed

in

> favorable signs.

>

> --Manoshi

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Manoshi, if I may introduce my two cents here, the vargottama

has

> > more to do with sattwik dreshkana (drekkana. dreshkona as some

> > contemporary jyotishis have spelled it) than navamsha with the

> same

> > numbered sign as in rashi!

> >

> > I will now hold my tongue! Sorry for intruding!!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Manoshi Chatterjee"

> > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > As I understand, a planet in its vargottam state gets more

> > strength.

> > > So if a debilitated planet is again debilitated in navamsa

will

> > get

> > > strength as a debilitated planet...so not auspicious. Another

> > logic

> > > which can be given is, the a debilitated planet in rasi chart

> gets

> > > cancellation of debilitation if the planet is in exaltation

sign

> > in

> > > navamsa so naturally if it is in debilitation sign in navansa

> > > again ,will have worse effects.

> > >

> > > --Manoshi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Nandkumar Chinai

> > > <nvchinai> wrote:

> > > > Moon is in Scorpio in both Rasi and Navamsa in this

particular

> > > case i.e it is debilated. So do I understand that it gives

> > strength

> > > to moon because of the Vargottam condition is satisfied,

inspite

> > of

> > > debility ?

> > > > Kindly clarify.

> > > >

> > > > -Nandkumar

> > > >

> > > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > Vargottam planet is that planet which occupies the same

> zodiacal

> > > > sign in rashi as in navamsa chart (many people suggest...

same

> > > sign

> > > > as in rashi and any divisional chart). It increases the

> strength

> > > of

> > > > the planet and is generally said to give auspicious results.

> eg.

> > > if

> > > > sun is in Leo in natal rashi chart and in the navansa chart,

> it

> > is

> > > > said to be vargottam. Indira Gandhi had 4 vargottam planets.

> Now

> > > you

> > > > can cast your chart and find out yourself...:-)

> > > >

> > > > --Manoshi

> > > >

> > > > , Nandkumar Chinai

> > > > <nvchinai> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Members:

> > > > >

> > > > > What is a Vargottam Planet ? What is the significance of a

> > > > Vargottam Planet ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Is there a planet which is Vargottam in this chart:

> > > > >

> > > > > 29th July 1974

> > > > >

> > > > > 06:30 Am (IST)

> > > > >

> > > > > 73E37

> > > > > 23N02

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sponsor

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Links

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > /

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Terms

of

> > > Service.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Manoshi,

 

There are excellent books available in regional languages. For example my Guru

Shri M.D. Bhat has written a book called Navmansha Rahasya many years back on

Navmansha and Vargottama planets. Unfortunately this book is in Marathi. But

frankly I have not come across any other book which gives analysis of Navmansha

and Varotttam Planets purely based on practical experience.

 

May be with his permission I can translate some very important topics - like on

Varogottama and post it. Let me first take his permission.

 

Regards,

 

Anil

-

rohiniranjan

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:37 AM

Re: Vargottam Planet--RR

 

 

Manoshi,

 

Far be it for me to take on that lofty responsibility that you so

readily and kindly bestow upon me! When others many years older than

me have already touched on that topic, d-e-c-a-d-e-s ago! I have

written several times tight here about Rattan Lal, and his book

entitled, "Nadi System of Prediction (Stellar Theory) [the edition I

have dates back to 1=september 1983]. It is all there! I hope many

of you have actually looked for it, or tried to find it from the

modern comforts of your ergonomic computer chaise.

 

RR

 

 

, "Manoshi Chatterjee"

<khallopapa> wrote:

> You must actually intrude more so that we all can learn from your

> knowledge and experience. Well, I have a question too. Could you

> give your views about vargottam and its effects in practical charts

> (any example if you could give) and how much importance do YOU

give

> to vargottam concept? for debilitation vargottam should make it

> worse but say a planet is in enemy's sign and vargottam...what are

> its effect then or vargottam is only good for the planets placed

in

> favorable signs.

>

> --Manoshi

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Manoshi, if I may introduce my two cents here, the vargottama

has

> > more to do with sattwik dreshkana (drekkana. dreshkona as some

> > contemporary jyotishis have spelled it) than navamsha with the

> same

> > numbered sign as in rashi!

> >

> > I will now hold my tongue! Sorry for intruding!!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> > , "Manoshi Chatterjee"

> > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > As I understand, a planet in its vargottam state gets more

> > strength.

> > > So if a debilitated planet is again debilitated in navamsa

will

> > get

> > > strength as a debilitated planet...so not auspicious. Another

> > logic

> > > which can be given is, the a debilitated planet in rasi chart

> gets

> > > cancellation of debilitation if the planet is in exaltation

sign

> > in

> > > navamsa so naturally if it is in debilitation sign in navansa

> > > again ,will have worse effects.

> > >

> > > --Manoshi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Nandkumar Chinai

> > > <nvchinai> wrote:

> > > > Moon is in Scorpio in both Rasi and Navamsa in this

particular

> > > case i.e it is debilated. So do I understand that it gives

> > strength

> > > to moon because of the Vargottam condition is satisfied,

inspite

> > of

> > > debility ?

> > > > Kindly clarify.

> > > >

> > > > -Nandkumar

> > > >

> > > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > Vargottam planet is that planet which occupies the same

> zodiacal

> > > > sign in rashi as in navamsa chart (many people suggest...

same

> > > sign

> > > > as in rashi and any divisional chart). It increases the

> strength

> > > of

> > > > the planet and is generally said to give auspicious results.

> eg.

> > > if

> > > > sun is in Leo in natal rashi chart and in the navansa chart,

> it

> > is

> > > > said to be vargottam. Indira Gandhi had 4 vargottam planets.

> Now

> > > you

> > > > can cast your chart and find out yourself...:-)

> > > >

> > > > --Manoshi

> > > >

> > > > , Nandkumar Chinai

> > > > <nvchinai> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Members:

> > > > >

> > > > > What is a Vargottam Planet ? What is the significance of a

> > > > Vargottam Planet ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Is there a planet which is Vargottam in this chart:

> > > > >

> > > > > 29th July 1974

> > > > >

> > > > > 06:30 Am (IST)

> > > > >

> > > > > 73E37

> > > > > 23N02

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sponsor

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Links

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > /

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Terms

of

> > > Service.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

 

 

 

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Anil,

 

You would be doing him and yourself more service if you analysed

some charts using principles taught by him. I am sure you will have

his blessings to do so -- but enquire by all means before you take

up my suggestion.

 

Regards,

 

RR

 

 

, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...>

wrote:

> Dear Manoshi,

>

> There are excellent books available in regional languages. For

example my Guru Shri M.D. Bhat has written a book called Navmansha

Rahasya many years back on Navmansha and Vargottama planets.

Unfortunately this book is in Marathi. But frankly I have not come

across any other book which gives analysis of Navmansha and

Varotttam Planets purely based on practical experience.

>

> May be with his permission I can translate some very important

topics - like on Varogottama and post it. Let me first take his

permission.

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

> -

> rohiniranjan

>

> Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:37 AM

> Re: Vargottam Planet--RR

>

>

> Manoshi,

>

> Far be it for me to take on that lofty responsibility that you

so

> readily and kindly bestow upon me! When others many years older

than

> me have already touched on that topic, d-e-c-a-d-e-s ago! I

have

> written several times tight here about Rattan Lal, and his book

> entitled, "Nadi System of Prediction (Stellar Theory) [the

edition I

> have dates back to 1=september 1983]. It is all there! I hope

many

> of you have actually looked for it, or tried to find it from the

> modern comforts of your ergonomic computer chaise.

>

> RR

>

>

> , "Manoshi Chatterjee"

> <khallopapa> wrote:

> > You must actually intrude more so that we all can learn from

your

> > knowledge and experience. Well, I have a question too. Could

you

> > give your views about vargottam and its effects in practical

charts

> > (any example if you could give) and how much importance do YOU

> give

> > to vargottam concept? for debilitation vargottam should make

it

> > worse but say a planet is in enemy's sign and vargottam...what

are

> > its effect then or vargottam is only good for the planets

placed

> in

> > favorable signs.

> >

> > --Manoshi

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Manoshi, if I may introduce my two cents here, the

vargottama

> has

> > > more to do with sattwik dreshkana (drekkana. dreshkona as

some

> > > contemporary jyotishis have spelled it) than navamsha with

the

> > same

> > > numbered sign as in rashi!

> > >

> > > I will now hold my tongue! Sorry for intruding!!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Manoshi

Chatterjee"

> > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > As I understand, a planet in its vargottam state gets more

> > > strength.

> > > > So if a debilitated planet is again debilitated in navamsa

> will

> > > get

> > > > strength as a debilitated planet...so not auspicious.

Another

> > > logic

> > > > which can be given is, the a debilitated planet in rasi

chart

> > gets

> > > > cancellation of debilitation if the planet is in

exaltation

> sign

> > > in

> > > > navamsa so naturally if it is in debilitation sign in

navansa

> > > > again ,will have worse effects.

> > > >

> > > > --Manoshi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Nandkumar Chinai

> > > > <nvchinai> wrote:

> > > > > Moon is in Scorpio in both Rasi and Navamsa in this

> particular

> > > > case i.e it is debilated. So do I understand that it

gives

> > > strength

> > > > to moon because of the Vargottam condition is satisfied,

> inspite

> > > of

> > > > debility ?

> > > > > Kindly clarify.

> > > > >

> > > > > -Nandkumar

> > > > >

> > > > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > > Vargottam planet is that planet which occupies the same

> > zodiacal

> > > > > sign in rashi as in navamsa chart (many people

suggest...

> same

> > > > sign

> > > > > as in rashi and any divisional chart). It increases the

> > strength

> > > > of

> > > > > the planet and is generally said to give auspicious

results.

> > eg.

> > > > if

> > > > > sun is in Leo in natal rashi chart and in the navansa

chart,

> > it

> > > is

> > > > > said to be vargottam. Indira Gandhi had 4 vargottam

planets.

> > Now

> > > > you

> > > > > can cast your chart and find out yourself...:-)

> > > > >

> > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > >

> > > > > , Nandkumar

Chinai

> > > > > <nvchinai> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Members:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is a Vargottam Planet ? What is the significance

of a

> > > > > Vargottam Planet ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is there a planet which is Vargottam in this chart:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 29th July 1974

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 06:30 Am (IST)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 73E37

> > > > > > 23N02

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sponsor

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Links

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > /

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

Terms

> of

> > > > Service.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > >

>

>

>

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Dear RR,

 

I am surprised at your message. You have to understand a fundamental difference.

You can post on fundamentals of astrology , which talks about basic principles ,

rules , methodology of analysis which can be called theoretical astrology. Other

postings could be on how to apply these principles in context of actual cases

and to mention case studies where these theories are applied in real life

situations.

 

So I was refereeing to the first one.

 

By the way , I have analyzed hundreds of charts using his and many other

theories and doing it on day to day basis ( For last 24 years ) and I do not

need anybody's advice which is not constructive.

 

Your language is arrogant , adhoc and arbitrary. Please take care.

 

Regards,

 

Anil

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rohiniranjan

Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:27 AM

Re: Vargottam Planet--RR

 

 

Anil,

 

You would be doing him and yourself more service if you analysed

some charts using principles taught by him. I am sure you will have

his blessings to do so -- but enquire by all means before you take

up my suggestion.

 

Regards,

 

RR

 

 

, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...>

wrote:

> Dear Manoshi,

>

> There are excellent books available in regional languages. For

example my Guru Shri M.D. Bhat has written a book called Navmansha

Rahasya many years back on Navmansha and Vargottama planets.

Unfortunately this book is in Marathi. But frankly I have not come

across any other book which gives analysis of Navmansha and

Varotttam Planets purely based on practical experience.

>

> May be with his permission I can translate some very important

topics - like on Varogottama and post it. Let me first take his

permission.

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

> -

> rohiniranjan

>

> Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:37 AM

> Re: Vargottam Planet--RR

>

>

> Manoshi,

>

> Far be it for me to take on that lofty responsibility that you

so

> readily and kindly bestow upon me! When others many years older

than

> me have already touched on that topic, d-e-c-a-d-e-s ago! I

have

> written several times tight here about Rattan Lal, and his book

> entitled, "Nadi System of Prediction (Stellar Theory) [the

edition I

> have dates back to 1=september 1983]. It is all there! I hope

many

> of you have actually looked for it, or tried to find it from the

> modern comforts of your ergonomic computer chaise.

>

> RR

>

>

> , "Manoshi Chatterjee"

> <khallopapa> wrote:

> > You must actually intrude more so that we all can learn from

your

> > knowledge and experience. Well, I have a question too. Could

you

> > give your views about vargottam and its effects in practical

charts

> > (any example if you could give) and how much importance do YOU

> give

> > to vargottam concept? for debilitation vargottam should make

it

> > worse but say a planet is in enemy's sign and vargottam...what

are

> > its effect then or vargottam is only good for the planets

placed

> in

> > favorable signs.

> >

> > --Manoshi

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Manoshi, if I may introduce my two cents here, the

vargottama

> has

> > > more to do with sattwik dreshkana (drekkana. dreshkona as

some

> > > contemporary jyotishis have spelled it) than navamsha with

the

> > same

> > > numbered sign as in rashi!

> > >

> > > I will now hold my tongue! Sorry for intruding!!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Manoshi

Chatterjee"

> > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > As I understand, a planet in its vargottam state gets more

> > > strength.

> > > > So if a debilitated planet is again debilitated in navamsa

> will

> > > get

> > > > strength as a debilitated planet...so not auspicious.

Another

> > > logic

> > > > which can be given is, the a debilitated planet in rasi

chart

> > gets

> > > > cancellation of debilitation if the planet is in

exaltation

> sign

> > > in

> > > > navamsa so naturally if it is in debilitation sign in

navansa

> > > > again ,will have worse effects.

> > > >

> > > > --Manoshi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Nandkumar Chinai

> > > > <nvchinai> wrote:

> > > > > Moon is in Scorpio in both Rasi and Navamsa in this

> particular

> > > > case i.e it is debilated. So do I understand that it

gives

> > > strength

> > > > to moon because of the Vargottam condition is satisfied,

> inspite

> > > of

> > > > debility ?

> > > > > Kindly clarify.

> > > > >

> > > > > -Nandkumar

> > > > >

> > > > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > > Vargottam planet is that planet which occupies the same

> > zodiacal

> > > > > sign in rashi as in navamsa chart (many people

suggest...

> same

> > > > sign

> > > > > as in rashi and any divisional chart). It increases the

> > strength

> > > > of

> > > > > the planet and is generally said to give auspicious

results.

> > eg.

> > > > if

> > > > > sun is in Leo in natal rashi chart and in the navansa

chart,

> > it

> > > is

> > > > > said to be vargottam. Indira Gandhi had 4 vargottam

planets.

> > Now

> > > > you

> > > > > can cast your chart and find out yourself...:-)

> > > > >

> > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > >

> > > > > , Nandkumar

Chinai

> > > > > <nvchinai> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Members:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is a Vargottam Planet ? What is the significance

of a

> > > > > Vargottam Planet ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is there a planet which is Vargottam in this chart:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 29th July 1974

> > > > > >

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Dear shri gogte jee,

 

Puzzled by your strong reaction to a simple, direct message I

posted, I reread my message. I see informality there, but not

arrogance or arbitrariness or any attempt to advice you. I

understand that coming from a stranger, the informality might have

shocked you. Thanks for pointing that out and I shall be formal with

you, in future.

 

You were obviously very impressed by the book you referred to and I

was simply stating that while you await permission from your teacher

to post here, you could certainly illustrate the techniques with the

help of a chart etc. I don't see what is so upsetting about that

request? And with your vast experience, that should have posed no

problem, either.

 

When anyone makes a statement that seems to indicate that there is

something valuable in a book or a technique, it arouses curiosity in

me and I ask the same question. It should be taken in that spirit

and without undue sensitivity. My request does not mean that you or

anyone would have to make time for that and comply, necessarily.

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...>

wrote:

> Dear RR,

>

> I am surprised at your message. You have to understand a

fundamental difference. You can post on fundamentals of astrology ,

which talks about basic principles , rules , methodology of analysis

which can be called theoretical astrology. Other postings could be

on how to apply these principles in context of actual cases and to

mention case studies where these theories are applied in real life

situations.

>

> So I was refereeing to the first one.

>

> By the way , I have analyzed hundreds of charts using his and many

other theories and doing it on day to day basis ( For last 24

years ) and I do not need anybody's advice which is not

constructive.

>

> Your language is arrogant , adhoc and arbitrary. Please take care.

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

> -

> rohiniranjan

>

> Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:27 AM

> Re: Vargottam Planet--RR

>

>

> Anil,

>

> You would be doing him and yourself more service if you analysed

> some charts using principles taught by him. I am sure you will

have

> his blessings to do so -- but enquire by all means before you

take

> up my suggestion.

>

> Regards,

>

> RR

>

>

> , Anil VSNL

<gogatea@v...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Manoshi,

> >

> > There are excellent books available in regional languages. For

> example my Guru Shri M.D. Bhat has written a book called

Navmansha

> Rahasya many years back on Navmansha and Vargottama planets.

> Unfortunately this book is in Marathi. But frankly I have not

come

> across any other book which gives analysis of Navmansha and

> Varotttam Planets purely based on practical experience.

> >

> > May be with his permission I can translate some very important

> topics - like on Varogottama and post it. Let me first take his

> permission.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Anil

> > -

> > rohiniranjan

> >

> > Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:37 AM

> > Re: Vargottam Planet--RR

> >

> >

> > Manoshi,

> >

> > Far be it for me to take on that lofty responsibility that

you

> so

> > readily and kindly bestow upon me! When others many years

older

> than

> > me have already touched on that topic, d-e-c-a-d-e-s ago! I

> have

> > written several times tight here about Rattan Lal, and his

book

> > entitled, "Nadi System of Prediction (Stellar Theory) [the

> edition I

> > have dates back to 1=september 1983]. It is all there! I

hope

> many

> > of you have actually looked for it, or tried to find it from

the

> > modern comforts of your ergonomic computer chaise.

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , "Manoshi

Chatterjee"

> > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > You must actually intrude more so that we all can learn

from

> your

> > > knowledge and experience. Well, I have a question too.

Could

> you

> > > give your views about vargottam and its effects in

practical

> charts

> > > (any example if you could give) and how much importance do

YOU

> > give

> > > to vargottam concept? for debilitation vargottam should

make

> it

> > > worse but say a planet is in enemy's sign and

vargottam...what

> are

> > > its effect then or vargottam is only good for the planets

> placed

> > in

> > > favorable signs.

> > >

> > > --Manoshi

> > >

> > > , "rohiniranjan"

> > <rrgb@s...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Manoshi, if I may introduce my two cents here, the

> vargottama

> > has

> > > > more to do with sattwik dreshkana (drekkana. dreshkona

as

> some

> > > > contemporary jyotishis have spelled it) than navamsha

with

> the

> > > same

> > > > numbered sign as in rashi!

> > > >

> > > > I will now hold my tongue! Sorry for intruding!!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "Manoshi

> Chatterjee"

> > > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > > As I understand, a planet in its vargottam state gets

more

> > > > strength.

> > > > > So if a debilitated planet is again debilitated in

navamsa

> > will

> > > > get

> > > > > strength as a debilitated planet...so not auspicious.

> Another

> > > > logic

> > > > > which can be given is, the a debilitated planet in

rasi

> chart

> > > gets

> > > > > cancellation of debilitation if the planet is in

> exaltation

> > sign

> > > > in

> > > > > navamsa so naturally if it is in debilitation sign in

> navansa

> > > > > again ,will have worse effects.

> > > > >

> > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Nandkumar

Chinai

> > > > > <nvchinai> wrote:

> > > > > > Moon is in Scorpio in both Rasi and Navamsa in this

> > particular

> > > > > case i.e it is debilated. So do I understand that it

> gives

> > > > strength

> > > > > to moon because of the Vargottam condition is

satisfied,

> > inspite

> > > > of

> > > > > debility ?

> > > > > > Kindly clarify.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -Nandkumar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > > > Vargottam planet is that planet which occupies the

same

> > > zodiacal

> > > > > > sign in rashi as in navamsa chart (many people

> suggest...

> > same

> > > > > sign

> > > > > > as in rashi and any divisional chart). It increases

the

> > > strength

> > > > > of

> > > > > > the planet and is generally said to give auspicious

> results.

> > > eg.

> > > > > if

> > > > > > sun is in Leo in natal rashi chart and in the

navansa

> chart,

> > > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > said to be vargottam. Indira Gandhi had 4 vargottam

> planets.

> > > Now

> > > > > you

> > > > > > can cast your chart and find out yourself...:-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Nandkumar

> Chinai

> > > > > > <nvchinai> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Members:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is a Vargottam Planet ? What is the

significance

> of a

> > > > > > Vargottam Planet ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is there a planet which is Vargottam in this chart:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 29th July 1974

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 06:30 Am (IST)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 73E37

> > > > > > > 23N02

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Yakshi Yakshi,

 

Oh dear ... that sounds like a bad head-cold. Hope the sneezing

stops soon.

 

Chicken soup -- and if vegetarian, ginger tea (adrakh) should help!

 

RR

 

 

, "yakshi_yakshi"

<yakshi_yakshi> wrote:

>

> > Your language is arrogant , adhoc and arbitrary. Please take

care.

>

> I agree. Behaves like a diva, in ASCII.

>

> Y

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Dear Rohiniranjan,

 

Ok Fine. I have been admiring your postings and views and your reaction to my

posting after long time came as bit of a shock.

 

Perceptions and reality is a subject I like. How to write or communicate which

will create same perception is something taught to those who are involved in

Techo writing ( Writing Manuals , Help Guides etc ). We need not be that

perfectionist in our communication but atleast ensure that our genuine writings

do not create wrong perceptions.

 

Anyway , let us forget about that small interaction as exception and go ahead to

the basic objectives of being in forums.

 

Regards,

 

Anil

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rohiniranjan

Wednesday, August 11, 2004 4:16 AM

Re: Vargottam Planet--RR

 

 

Dear shri gogte jee,

 

Puzzled by your strong reaction to a simple, direct message I

posted, I reread my message. I see informality there, but not

arrogance or arbitrariness or any attempt to advice you. I

understand that coming from a stranger, the informality might have

shocked you. Thanks for pointing that out and I shall be formal with

you, in future.

 

You were obviously very impressed by the book you referred to and I

was simply stating that while you await permission from your teacher

to post here, you could certainly illustrate the techniques with the

help of a chart etc. I don't see what is so upsetting about that

request? And with your vast experience, that should have posed no

problem, either.

 

When anyone makes a statement that seems to indicate that there is

something valuable in a book or a technique, it arouses curiosity in

me and I ask the same question. It should be taken in that spirit

and without undue sensitivity. My request does not mean that you or

anyone would have to make time for that and comply, necessarily.

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...>

wrote:

> Dear RR,

>

> I am surprised at your message. You have to understand a

fundamental difference. You can post on fundamentals of astrology ,

which talks about basic principles , rules , methodology of analysis

which can be called theoretical astrology. Other postings could be

on how to apply these principles in context of actual cases and to

mention case studies where these theories are applied in real life

situations.

>

> So I was refereeing to the first one.

>

> By the way , I have analyzed hundreds of charts using his and many

other theories and doing it on day to day basis ( For last 24

years ) and I do not need anybody's advice which is not

constructive.

>

> Your language is arrogant , adhoc and arbitrary. Please take care.

>

> Regards,

>

> Anil

> -

> rohiniranjan

>

> Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:27 AM

> Re: Vargottam Planet--RR

>

>

> Anil,

>

> You would be doing him and yourself more service if you analysed

> some charts using principles taught by him. I am sure you will

have

> his blessings to do so -- but enquire by all means before you

take

> up my suggestion.

>

> Regards,

>

> RR

>

>

> , Anil VSNL

<gogatea@v...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Manoshi,

> >

> > There are excellent books available in regional languages. For

> example my Guru Shri M.D. Bhat has written a book called

Navmansha

> Rahasya many years back on Navmansha and Vargottama planets.

> Unfortunately this book is in Marathi. But frankly I have not

come

> across any other book which gives analysis of Navmansha and

> Varotttam Planets purely based on practical experience.

> >

> > May be with his permission I can translate some very important

> topics - like on Varogottama and post it. Let me first take his

> permission.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Anil

> > -

> > rohiniranjan

> >

> > Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:37 AM

> > Re: Vargottam Planet--RR

> >

> >

> > Manoshi,

> >

> > Far be it for me to take on that lofty responsibility that

you

> so

> > readily and kindly bestow upon me! When others many years

older

> than

> > me have already touched on that topic, d-e-c-a-d-e-s ago! I

> have

> > written several times tight here about Rattan Lal, and his

book

> > entitled, "Nadi System of Prediction (Stellar Theory) [the

> edition I

> > have dates back to 1=september 1983]. It is all there! I

hope

> many

> > of you have actually looked for it, or tried to find it from

the

> > modern comforts of your ergonomic computer chaise.

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , "Manoshi

Chatterjee"

> > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > You must actually intrude more so that we all can learn

from

> your

> > > knowledge and experience. Well, I have a question too.

Could

> you

> > > give your views about vargottam and its effects in

practical

> charts

> > > (any example if you could give) and how much importance do

YOU

> > give

> > > to vargottam concept? for debilitation vargottam should

make

> it

> > > worse but say a planet is in enemy's sign and

vargottam...what

> are

> > > its effect then or vargottam is only good for the planets

> placed

> > in

> > > favorable signs.

> > >

> > > --Manoshi

> > >

> > > , "rohiniranjan"

> > <rrgb@s...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Manoshi, if I may introduce my two cents here, the

> vargottama

> > has

> > > > more to do with sattwik dreshkana (drekkana. dreshkona

as

> some

> > > > contemporary jyotishis have spelled it) than navamsha

with

> the

> > > same

> > > > numbered sign as in rashi!

> > > >

> > > > I will now hold my tongue! Sorry for intruding!!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "Manoshi

> Chatterjee"

> > > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > > As I understand, a planet in its vargottam state gets

more

> > > > strength.

> > > > > So if a debilitated planet is again debilitated in

navamsa

> > will

> > > > get

> > > > > strength as a debilitated planet...so not auspicious.

> Another

> > > > logic

> > > > > which can be given is, the a debilitated planet in

rasi

> chart

> > > gets

> > > > > cancellation of debilitation if the planet is in

> exaltation

> > sign

> > > > in

> > > > > navamsa so naturally if it is in debilitation sign in

> navansa

> > > > > again ,will have worse effects.

> > > > >

> > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Nandkumar

Chinai

> > > > > <nvchinai> wrote:

> > > > > > Moon is in Scorpio in both Rasi and Navamsa in this

> > particular

> > > > > case i.e it is debilated. So do I understand that it

> gives

> > > > strength

> > > > > to moon because of the Vargottam condition is

satisfied,

> > inspite

> > > > of

> > > > > debility ?

> > > > > > Kindly clarify.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -Nandkumar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > > > Vargottam planet is that planet which occupies the

same

> > > zodiacal

> > > > > > sign in rashi as in navamsa chart (many people

> suggest...

> > same

> > > > > sign

> > > > > > as in rashi and any divisional chart). It increases

the

> > > strength

> > > > > of

> > > > > > the planet and is generally said to give auspicious

> results.

> > > eg.

> > > > > if

> > > > > > sun is in Leo in natal rashi chart and in the

navansa

> chart,

> > > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > said to be vargottam. Indira Gandhi had 4 vargottam

> planets.

> > > Now

> > > > > you

> > > > > > can cast your chart and find out yourself...:-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Nandkumar

> Chinai

> > > > > > <nvchinai> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Members:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is a Vargottam Planet ? What is the

significance

> of a

> > > > > > Vargottam Planet ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is there a planet which is Vargottam in this chart:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 29th July 1974

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 06:30 Am (IST)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 73E37

> > > > > > > 23N02

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