Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Dear Manoshi, Jupiter(swagrahi) as an AK is in conjuction with Mercury(AmK), Rahu (PK) and Venus(PiK) forming a good yoga and to top that also a seat of Hora Lagna. In a way controlling other chara karakas and also money. Giving a rashi drishti to 9(own house) and graha drishti to 10 house making you go in pursuit of attaining more knowledge as far as 9 house matters are concerned. And lastly forming a Gaj Kesri yoga in D-60(5 house- again a seat of knowledge) with Jupiter (exalted) and Moon (Swagrahi) and as the D-60 lagna lord indicating blessings from God. Only thing is the position in 6 in rasi pointing to obstacles which needs to be removed in such a pursuit. Gaurav , "Manoshi Chatterjee" <khallopapa> wrote: > and 9th lord too....amazing. > > --Manoshi > , "Manoshi Chatterjee" > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > How right you are. it is swagrahi, vargottam and atmakarak. > > great. Now if you you elaborate more on this....what was so > special? > > --Manoshi > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > The anwser to your query lies in exploring yourelf or your > chart. > > It > > > was not pertaining to Vargottam Planet but the way you have > > replied > > > to RR ji post. > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > , "Manoshi Chatterjee" > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > Elaborate more Gaurav. Do you mean to say only swagrahi or AK > > > > planets in vargottam do good? > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps it is the Swagrahi, in vargottama and AtmaKaraka > > Jupiter > > > > > (also 9 lord) that is speaking out for more knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > Chatterjee" > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > Arent these discussion groups for learning too? Everyone > is > > a > > > > > > student at one point of time and learns from experience > (by > > > > solving > > > > > > practical charts ) and clearing doubts from the learned. > 30- > > 40 > > > > > > years back when there was no concept of these discussion > > groups > > > > and > > > > > > people did not know the word internet, may be , books and > > > > practical > > > > > > learning were the only ways to learn and know. The student > > > would > > > > > > never ask a question in the class if he gets a "you know > > > > nothing" > > > > > > and "find out yourself, I will not help you" answer. > > Project > > > > > method > > > > > > or the problem solving method is the best teaching method > > for > > > > sure > > > > > > where the student learns himself by solving a problem but > in > > > > > today's > > > > > > world there are some limitations especially in this field > of > > > > > > astrology. The sincerity of query has to be judged before > > > > > > saying "no". That is how the knowledge flows from high to > > low > > > > and > > > > > if > > > > > > the knowledgeable at the high point keeps the faucet > > blocked, > > > > the > > > > > > genuine seeker at the bottom ia also deprived. Astrology > no > > > > doubt > > > > > is > > > > > > sometimes beyond logic or scientific explanation but in my > > > > opinion > > > > > > to seek for the scientific explanation without being held > > in > > > > any > > > > > > superstition whatsoever is a very positive attitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > > > <rrgb@s...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > [First of all, my sincere apologies to Manoshi for using > > her > > > > > > earlier > > > > > > > message as a sounding board for venting my frustration!] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is one frustrating *business*, particularly if > > one > > > > is > > > > > > > sincere about it and also trying to live in a very > > pragmatic > > > > > world > > > > > > > like business, engineering, accounting, managing people, > > > > healing > > > > > > > people, doing scientific research or deployed in a war- > > zone > > > > (even > > > > > > > more so as a peace-keeping warrior as opposed to being a > > > shell- > > > > > > happy > > > > > > > killer sublimated to serve his country!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is much hype and insincerity that exists in > > astrology > > > > and > > > > > > > jyotish has more than its fair share of that as we all > > know > > > > and > > > > > > > maybe have personally experienced! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time and again, we are reminded of reality, reality that > > > > exists > > > > > > out > > > > > > > there and is perceived by most, as Gauruv's pointed > > questions > > > > > > remind > > > > > > > us on this forum, and Mike/Mukund's experience with > > > practicing > > > > > > > astrologers get shared with us from time to time, or > > Tanvir's > > > > > very > > > > > > > special sensitive personal experiences or Trivedi-jee's > > for > > > > that > > > > > > > matter, remind us of there being more to the reality > that > > we > > > > > > > astrologers have experienced and continue to experience. > > And, > > > > > many > > > > > > > many more postings that appear, here, some appealing, > > others > > > > > taken > > > > > > > in despite obvious flaws in logic or purity of intent - > > > > > > > inadvertantly posted as those may be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The collage of humanity, of human experience, and its > > breadth > > > > and > > > > > > > spectral range mimicking so closely the physical reality > > > > brings > > > > > > home > > > > > > > the message to me so strongly :-- AS ABOVE, SO BELOW! In > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > and particularly in Jyotish, there will never be down- > pat > > > > > answers, > > > > > > > no magical book or table of look-up indicators that will > > tell > > > > the > > > > > > > story fully or clearly or obviously or even simply, > recent > > > > claims > > > > > > > notwithstanding! It is very much like a marriage, folks. > > One > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > observe and really understand or experience it, from the > > > > outside. > > > > > > > You have to be in it, you have to be consumed by it, and > > you > > > > have > > > > > > to > > > > > > > really want to know it!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall now hold my peace, whether it makes sense to you > > or > > > > not! > > > > > > For > > > > > > > the neophytes, particularly the intelligent, logical > ones - > > - > > > > for > > > > > > > thousands of years people have been trying to figure out > > > > > > the "human > > > > > > > experience" -- MOSTLY sages and detached ones and the > > vocal > > > > ones > > > > > > > whose writings or spoken words survived (a lot spoken by > > > > others > > > > > > was > > > > > > > lost, I am certain). But there is another very important > > > > segment > > > > > > of > > > > > > > society that has been *quietly* experiencing it, all > THIS > > > > time! > > > > > Do > > > > > > > not ever (please) minimize their direct and personal > > > > experience > > > > > > over > > > > > > > that allegedly recorded by the Sages! There is not much > > > oxygen > > > > up > > > > > > > there, anyway, on the Himalayas as scientists remind us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottom line: If you want to know about the species that > > lives > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > muck and grime that surrounds us and our reality, the > most > > > > > > unlikely > > > > > > > place to study that would be from the top of any > Mountain > > or > > > > hill- > > > > > > > top! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR--- In > , "rohiniranjan" > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Manoshi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Far be it for me to take on that lofty responsibility > > that > > > > you > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > readily and kindly bestow upon me! When others many > > years > > > > older > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > me have already touched on that topic, d-e-c-a-d-e-s > > ago! > > > I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > written several times tight here about Rattan Lal, and > > his > > > > book > > > > > > > > entitled, "Nadi System of Prediction (Stellar Theory) > > [the > > > > > > edition > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > have dates back to 1=september 1983]. It is all there! > I > > > > hope > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > of you have actually looked for it, or tried to find > it > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > > modern comforts of your ergonomic computer chaise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > > > Chatterjee" > > > > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > > You must actually intrude more so that we all can > > learn > > > > from > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > knowledge and experience. Well, I have a question > > too. > > > > Could > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > give your views about vargottam and its effects in > > > > practical > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > (any example if you could give) and how much > > importance > > > do > > > > > YOU > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > to vargottam concept? for debilitation vargottam > > should > > > > make > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > worse but say a planet is in enemy's sign and > > > > > vargottam...what > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > its effect then or vargottam is only good for the > > planets > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > favorable signs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "rohiniranjan" > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi, if I may introduce my two cents here, the > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > more to do with sattwik dreshkana (drekkana. > > dreshkona > > > > as > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > contemporary jyotishis have spelled it) than > > navamsha > > > > with > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > numbered sign as in rashi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will now hold my tongue! Sorry for intruding!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > > > > > Chatterjee" > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand, a planet in its vargottam state > > gets > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > > > > So if a debilitated planet is again debilitated > in > > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > strength as a debilitated planet...so not > > auspicious. > > > > > > > Another > > > > > > > > > > logic > > > > > > > > > > > which can be given is, the a debilitated planet > in > > > > rasi > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > > cancellation of debilitation if the planet is in > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa so naturally if it is in debilitation > sign > > in > > > > > > > navansa > > > > > > > > > > > again ,will have worse effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > Nandkumar > > > > Chinai > > > > > > > > > > > <nvchinai> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in Scorpio in both Rasi and Navamsa in > > this > > > > > > > > particular > > > > > > > > > > > case i.e it is debilated. So do I understand > that > > it > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > strength > > > > > > > > > > > to moon because of the Vargottam condition is > > > > satisfied, > > > > > > > > inspite > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > debility ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly clarify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Nandkumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Vargottam planet is that planet which occupies > > the > > > > same > > > > > > > > > zodiacal > > > > > > > > > > > > sign in rashi as in navamsa chart (many people > > > > > > suggest... > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > as in rashi and any divisional chart). It > > increases > > > > the > > > > > > > > > strength > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > the planet and is generally said to give > > auspicious > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > eg. > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > sun is in Leo in natal rashi chart and in the > > > > navansa > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > said to be vargottam. Indira Gandhi had 4 > > vargottam > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > can cast your chart and find out yourself...:- ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > Nandkumar > > > > > > Chinai > > > > > > > > > > > > <nvchinai> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is a Vargottam Planet ? 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Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Where did you get the details of my chart Gaurav? I never gave the details in any group. --Manoshi , "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> wrote: > Dear Manoshi, > > Jupiter(swagrahi) as an AK is in conjuction with Mercury(AmK), Rahu > (PK) and Venus(PiK) forming a good yoga and to top that also a seat > of Hora Lagna. In a way controlling other chara karakas and also > money. Giving a rashi drishti to 9(own house) and graha drishti to 10 > house making you go in pursuit of attaining more knowledge as far as > 9 house matters are concerned. And lastly forming a Gaj Kesri yoga in > D-60(5 house- again a seat of knowledge) with Jupiter (exalted) and > Moon (Swagrahi) and as the D-60 lagna lord indicating blessings from > God. Only thing is the position in 6 in rasi pointing to obstacles > which needs to be removed in such a pursuit. > > > Gaurav > > , "Manoshi Chatterjee" > <khallopapa> wrote: > > and 9th lord too....amazing. > > > > --Manoshi > > , "Manoshi Chatterjee" > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > How right you are. it is swagrahi, vargottam and atmakarak. > > > great. Now if you you elaborate more on this....what was so > > special? > > > --Manoshi > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > > > The anwser to your query lies in exploring yourelf or your > > chart. > > > It > > > > was not pertaining to Vargottam Planet but the way you have > > > replied > > > > to RR ji post. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi Chatterjee" > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > Elaborate more Gaurav. Do you mean to say only swagrahi or AK > > > > > planets in vargottam do good? > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps it is the Swagrahi, in vargottama and AtmaKaraka > > > Jupiter > > > > > > (also 9 lord) that is speaking out for more knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > Chatterjee" > > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > Arent these discussion groups for learning too? Everyone > > is > > > a > > > > > > > student at one point of time and learns from experience > > (by > > > > > solving > > > > > > > practical charts ) and clearing doubts from the learned. > > 30- > > > 40 > > > > > > > years back when there was no concept of these discussion > > > groups > > > > > and > > > > > > > people did not know the word internet, may be , books and > > > > > practical > > > > > > > learning were the only ways to learn and know. The > student > > > > would > > > > > > > never ask a question in the class if he gets a "you know > > > > > nothing" > > > > > > > and "find out yourself, I will not help you" answer. > > > Project > > > > > > method > > > > > > > or the problem solving method is the best teaching method > > > for > > > > > sure > > > > > > > where the student learns himself by solving a problem but > > in > > > > > > today's > > > > > > > world there are some limitations especially in this field > > of > > > > > > > astrology. The sincerity of query has to be judged before > > > > > > > saying "no". That is how the knowledge flows from high to > > > low > > > > > and > > > > > > if > > > > > > > the knowledgeable at the high point keeps the faucet > > > blocked, > > > > > the > > > > > > > genuine seeker at the bottom ia also deprived. Astrology > > no > > > > > doubt > > > > > > is > > > > > > > sometimes beyond logic or scientific explanation but in > my > > > > > opinion > > > > > > > to seek for the scientific explanation without being > held > > > in > > > > > any > > > > > > > superstition whatsoever is a very positive attitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "rohiniranjan" > > > > > <rrgb@s...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > [First of all, my sincere apologies to Manoshi for > using > > > her > > > > > > > earlier > > > > > > > > message as a sounding board for venting my frustration!] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is one frustrating *business*, particularly > if > > > one > > > > > is > > > > > > > > sincere about it and also trying to live in a very > > > pragmatic > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > like business, engineering, accounting, managing > people, > > > > > healing > > > > > > > > people, doing scientific research or deployed in a war- > > > zone > > > > > (even > > > > > > > > more so as a peace-keeping warrior as opposed to being > a > > > > shell- > > > > > > > happy > > > > > > > > killer sublimated to serve his country!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is much hype and insincerity that exists in > > > astrology > > > > > and > > > > > > > > jyotish has more than its fair share of that as we all > > > know > > > > > and > > > > > > > > maybe have personally experienced! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time and again, we are reminded of reality, reality > that > > > > > exists > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > there and is perceived by most, as Gauruv's pointed > > > questions > > > > > > > remind > > > > > > > > us on this forum, and Mike/Mukund's experience with > > > > practicing > > > > > > > > astrologers get shared with us from time to time, or > > > Tanvir's > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > special sensitive personal experiences or Trivedi- jee's > > > for > > > > > that > > > > > > > > matter, remind us of there being more to the reality > > that > > > we > > > > > > > > astrologers have experienced and continue to > experience. > > > And, > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > many more postings that appear, here, some appealing, > > > others > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > in despite obvious flaws in logic or purity of intent - > > > > > > > > inadvertantly posted as those may be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The collage of humanity, of human experience, and its > > > breadth > > > > > and > > > > > > > > spectral range mimicking so closely the physical > reality > > > > > brings > > > > > > > home > > > > > > > > the message to me so strongly :-- AS ABOVE, SO BELOW! > In > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > and particularly in Jyotish, there will never be down- > > pat > > > > > > answers, > > > > > > > > no magical book or table of look-up indicators that > will > > > tell > > > > > the > > > > > > > > story fully or clearly or obviously or even simply, > > recent > > > > > claims > > > > > > > > notwithstanding! It is very much like a marriage, > folks. > > > One > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > observe and really understand or experience it, from > the > > > > > outside. > > > > > > > > You have to be in it, you have to be consumed by it, > and > > > you > > > > > have > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > really want to know it!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall now hold my peace, whether it makes sense to > you > > > or > > > > > not! > > > > > > > For > > > > > > > > the neophytes, particularly the intelligent, logical > > ones - > > > - > > > > > for > > > > > > > > thousands of years people have been trying to figure > out > > > > > > > the "human > > > > > > > > experience" -- MOSTLY sages and detached ones and the > > > vocal > > > > > ones > > > > > > > > whose writings or spoken words survived (a lot spoken > by > > > > > others > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > lost, I am certain). But there is another very > important > > > > > segment > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > society that has been *quietly* experiencing it, all > > THIS > > > > > time! > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > not ever (please) minimize their direct and personal > > > > > experience > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > that allegedly recorded by the Sages! There is not much > > > > oxygen > > > > > up > > > > > > > > there, anyway, on the Himalayas as scientists remind us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottom line: If you want to know about the species that > > > lives > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > muck and grime that surrounds us and our reality, the > > most > > > > > > > unlikely > > > > > > > > place to study that would be from the top of any > > Mountain > > > or > > > > > hill- > > > > > > > > top! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR--- In > > , "rohiniranjan" > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Manoshi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Far be it for me to take on that lofty responsibility > > > that > > > > > you > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > readily and kindly bestow upon me! When others many > > > years > > > > > older > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > me have already touched on that topic, d-e-c-a-d-e- s > > > ago! > > > > I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > written several times tight here about Rattan Lal, > and > > > his > > > > > book > > > > > > > > > entitled, "Nadi System of Prediction (Stellar Theory) > > > [the > > > > > > > edition > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > have dates back to 1=september 1983]. It is all > there! > > I > > > > > hope > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > of you have actually looked for it, or tried to find > > it > > > > from > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > modern comforts of your ergonomic computer chaise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > > > > Chatterjee" > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You must actually intrude more so that we all can > > > learn > > > > > from > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > knowledge and experience. Well, I have a question > > > too. > > > > > Could > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > give your views about vargottam and its effects in > > > > > practical > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > (any example if you could give) and how much > > > importance > > > > do > > > > > > YOU > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > to vargottam concept? for debilitation vargottam > > > should > > > > > make > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > worse but say a planet is in enemy's sign and > > > > > > vargottam...what > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > its effect then or vargottam is only good for the > > > planets > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > favorable signs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi, if I may introduce my two cents here, > the > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > more to do with sattwik dreshkana (drekkana. > > > dreshkona > > > > > as > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > contemporary jyotishis have spelled it) than > > > navamsha > > > > > with > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > numbered sign as in rashi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will now hold my tongue! Sorry for intruding!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "Manoshi > > > > > > > Chatterjee" > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand, a planet in its vargottam > state > > > gets > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > So if a debilitated planet is again debilitated > > in > > > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > strength as a debilitated planet...so not > > > auspicious. > > > > > > > > Another > > > > > > > > > > > logic > > > > > > > > > > > > which can be given is, the a debilitated planet > > in > > > > > rasi > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > > > cancellation of debilitation if the planet is > in > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa so naturally if it is in debilitation > > sign > > > in > > > > > > > > navansa > > > > > > > > > > > > again ,will have worse effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > Nandkumar > > > > > Chinai > > > > > > > > > > > > <nvchinai> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in Scorpio in both Rasi and Navamsa > in > > > this > > > > > > > > > particular > > > > > > > > > > > > case i.e it is debilated. So do I understand > > that > > > it > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > strength > > > > > > > > > > > > to moon because of the Vargottam condition is > > > > > satisfied, > > > > > > > > > inspite > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > debility ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly clarify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Nandkumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vargottam planet is that planet which > occupies > > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > zodiacal > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign in rashi as in navamsa chart (many > people > > > > > > > suggest... > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > as in rashi and any divisional chart). It > > > increases > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > strength > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planet and is generally said to give > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > eg. > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun is in Leo in natal rashi chart and in the > > > > > navansa > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to be vargottam. Indira Gandhi had 4 > > > vargottam > > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > can cast your chart and find out yourself...:- > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > Nandkumar > > > > > > > Chinai > > > > > > > > > > > > > <nvchinai> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is a Vargottam Planet ? What is the > > > > > significance > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vargottam Planet ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a planet which is Vargottam in > this > > > > chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29th July 1974 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 06:30 Am (IST) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 73E37 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 23N02 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - 100MB free > > > storage! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Dear Manoshi, Need to check out the logs of the current group. Maybe you may find them somewhere. All the best... Gaurav , "Manoshi Chatterjee" <khallopapa> wrote: > Where did you get the details of my chart Gaurav? I never gave the > details in any group. > > --Manoshi > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > <gauravkom> wrote: > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > Jupiter(swagrahi) as an AK is in conjuction with Mercury(AmK), Rahu > > (PK) and Venus(PiK) forming a good yoga and to top that also a > seat > > of Hora Lagna. In a way controlling other chara karakas and also > > money. Giving a rashi drishti to 9(own house) and graha drishti to > 10 > > house making you go in pursuit of attaining more knowledge as far > as > > 9 house matters are concerned. And lastly forming a Gaj Kesri yoga > in > > D-60(5 house- again a seat of knowledge) with Jupiter (exalted) > and > > Moon (Swagrahi) and as the D-60 lagna lord indicating blessings > from > > God. Only thing is the position in 6 in rasi pointing to > obstacles > > which needs to be removed in such a pursuit. > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > , "Manoshi Chatterjee" > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > and 9th lord too....amazing. > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > , "Manoshi Chatterjee" > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > How right you are. it is swagrahi, vargottam and atmakarak. > > > > great. Now if you you elaborate more on this....what was so > > > special? > > > > --Manoshi > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > > > > > The anwser to your query lies in exploring yourelf or your > > > chart. > > > > It > > > > > was not pertaining to Vargottam Planet but the way you have > > > > replied > > > > > to RR ji post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > Chatterjee" > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > Elaborate more Gaurav. Do you mean to say only swagrahi or > AK > > > > > > planets in vargottam do good? > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps it is the Swagrahi, in vargottama and AtmaKaraka > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > (also 9 lord) that is speaking out for more knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > > Chatterjee" > > > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > Arent these discussion groups for learning too? > Everyone > > > is > > > > a > > > > > > > > student at one point of time and learns from > experience > > > (by > > > > > > solving > > > > > > > > practical charts ) and clearing doubts from the > learned. > > > 30- > > > > 40 > > > > > > > > years back when there was no concept of these > discussion > > > > groups > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > people did not know the word internet, may be , books > and > > > > > > practical > > > > > > > > learning were the only ways to learn and know. The > > student > > > > > would > > > > > > > > never ask a question in the class if he gets a "you > know > > > > > > nothing" > > > > > > > > and "find out yourself, I will not help you" answer. > > > > Project > > > > > > > method > > > > > > > > or the problem solving method is the best teaching > method > > > > for > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > where the student learns himself by solving a problem > but > > > in > > > > > > > today's > > > > > > > > world there are some limitations especially in this > field > > > of > > > > > > > > astrology. The sincerity of query has to be judged > before > > > > > > > > saying "no". That is how the knowledge flows from high > to > > > > low > > > > > > and > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > the knowledgeable at the high point keeps the faucet > > > > blocked, > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > genuine seeker at the bottom ia also deprived. > Astrology > > > no > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > sometimes beyond logic or scientific explanation but > in > > my > > > > > > opinion > > > > > > > > to seek for the scientific explanation without being > > held > > > > in > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > superstition whatsoever is a very positive attitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "rohiniranjan" > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > [First of all, my sincere apologies to Manoshi for > > using > > > > her > > > > > > > > earlier > > > > > > > > > message as a sounding board for venting my > frustration!] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is one frustrating *business*, > particularly > > if > > > > one > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > sincere about it and also trying to live in a very > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > like business, engineering, accounting, managing > > people, > > > > > > healing > > > > > > > > > people, doing scientific research or deployed in a > war- > > > > zone > > > > > > (even > > > > > > > > > more so as a peace-keeping warrior as opposed to > being > > a > > > > > shell- > > > > > > > > happy > > > > > > > > > killer sublimated to serve his country!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is much hype and insincerity that exists in > > > > astrology > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > jyotish has more than its fair share of that as we > all > > > > know > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > maybe have personally experienced! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time and again, we are reminded of reality, reality > > that > > > > > > exists > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > there and is perceived by most, as Gauruv's pointed > > > > questions > > > > > > > > remind > > > > > > > > > us on this forum, and Mike/Mukund's experience with > > > > > practicing > > > > > > > > > astrologers get shared with us from time to time, or > > > > Tanvir's > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > special sensitive personal experiences or Trivedi- > jee's > > > > for > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > matter, remind us of there being more to the reality > > > that > > > > we > > > > > > > > > astrologers have experienced and continue to > > experience. > > > > And, > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > many more postings that appear, here, some > appealing, > > > > others > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > in despite obvious flaws in logic or purity of > intent - > > > > > > > > > inadvertantly posted as those may be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The collage of humanity, of human experience, and > its > > > > breadth > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > spectral range mimicking so closely the physical > > reality > > > > > > brings > > > > > > > > home > > > > > > > > > the message to me so strongly :-- AS ABOVE, SO > BELOW! > > In > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > and particularly in Jyotish, there will never be > down- > > > pat > > > > > > > answers, > > > > > > > > > no magical book or table of look-up indicators that > > will > > > > tell > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > story fully or clearly or obviously or even simply, > > > recent > > > > > > claims > > > > > > > > > notwithstanding! It is very much like a marriage, > > folks. > > > > One > > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > observe and really understand or experience it, from > > the > > > > > > outside. > > > > > > > > > You have to be in it, you have to be consumed by it, > > and > > > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > really want to know it!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall now hold my peace, whether it makes sense to > > you > > > > or > > > > > > not! > > > > > > > > For > > > > > > > > > the neophytes, particularly the intelligent, logical > > > ones - > > > > - > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > thousands of years people have been trying to figure > > out > > > > > > > > the "human > > > > > > > > > experience" -- MOSTLY sages and detached ones and > the > > > > vocal > > > > > > ones > > > > > > > > > whose writings or spoken words survived (a lot > spoken > > by > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > lost, I am certain). But there is another very > > important > > > > > > segment > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > society that has been *quietly* experiencing it, all > > > THIS > > > > > > time! > > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > > not ever (please) minimize their direct and personal > > > > > > experience > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > that allegedly recorded by the Sages! There is not > much > > > > > oxygen > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > there, anyway, on the Himalayas as scientists remind > us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottom line: If you want to know about the species > that > > > > lives > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > muck and grime that surrounds us and our reality, > the > > > most > > > > > > > > unlikely > > > > > > > > > place to study that would be from the top of any > > > Mountain > > > > or > > > > > > hill- > > > > > > > > > top! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR--- In > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Far be it for me to take on that lofty > responsibility > > > > that > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > readily and kindly bestow upon me! When others > many > > > > years > > > > > > older > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > me have already touched on that topic, d-e-c-a-d- e- > s > > > > ago! > > > > > I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > written several times tight here about Rattan Lal, > > and > > > > his > > > > > > book > > > > > > > > > > entitled, "Nadi System of Prediction (Stellar > Theory) > > > > [the > > > > > > > > edition > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > have dates back to 1=september 1983]. It is all > > there! > > > I > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > of you have actually looked for it, or tried to > find > > > it > > > > > from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > modern comforts of your ergonomic computer chaise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "Manoshi > > > > > > Chatterjee" > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > You must actually intrude more so that we all > can > > > > learn > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge and experience. Well, I have a > question > > > > too. > > > > > > Could > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > give your views about vargottam and its effects > in > > > > > > practical > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > (any example if you could give) and how much > > > > importance > > > > > do > > > > > > > YOU > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > to vargottam concept? for debilitation vargottam > > > > should > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > worse but say a planet is in enemy's sign and > > > > > > > vargottam...what > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > its effect then or vargottam is only good for > the > > > > planets > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > favorable signs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi, if I may introduce my two cents here, > > the > > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > more to do with sattwik dreshkana (drekkana. > > > > dreshkona > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > contemporary jyotishis have spelled it) than > > > > navamsha > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > numbered sign as in rashi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will now hold my tongue! Sorry for > intruding!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "Manoshi > > > > > > > > Chatterjee" > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand, a planet in its vargottam > > state > > > > gets > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So if a debilitated planet is again > debilitated > > > in > > > > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength as a debilitated planet...so not > > > > auspicious. > > > > > > > > > Another > > > > > > > > > > > > logic > > > > > > > > > > > > > which can be given is, the a debilitated > planet > > > in > > > > > > rasi > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > > > > cancellation of debilitation if the planet > is > > in > > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa so naturally if it is in > debilitation > > > sign > > > > in > > > > > > > > > navansa > > > > > > > > > > > > > again ,will have worse effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > Nandkumar > > > > > > Chinai > > > > > > > > > > > > > <nvchinai> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in Scorpio in both Rasi and > Navamsa > > in > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > particular > > > > > > > > > > > > > case i.e it is debilated. So do I > understand > > > that > > > > it > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > strength > > > > > > > > > > > > > to moon because of the Vargottam condition > is > > > > > > satisfied, > > > > > > > > > > inspite > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > debility ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly clarify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Nandkumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vargottam planet is that planet which > > occupies > > > > the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > zodiacal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign in rashi as in navamsa chart (many > > people > > > > > > > > suggest... > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as in rashi and any divisional chart). It > > > > increases > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > strength > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planet and is generally said to give > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > eg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun is in Leo in natal rashi chart and in > the > > > > > > navansa > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to be vargottam. Indira Gandhi had 4 > > > > vargottam > > > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can cast your chart and find out > yourself...:- > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > Nandkumar > > > > > > > > Chinai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <nvchinai> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is a Vargottam Planet ? What is the > > > > > > significance > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vargottam Planet ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a planet which is Vargottam in > > this > > > > > chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29th July 1974 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 06:30 Am (IST) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 73E37 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 23N02 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - 100MB > free > > > > storage! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Really did I ? Must be really really loooong back :-) --Manoshi , "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> wrote: > Dear Manoshi, > > Need to check out the logs of the current group. Maybe you may find > them somewhere. All the best... > > Gaurav > > > > , "Manoshi Chatterjee" > <khallopapa> wrote: > > Where did you get the details of my chart Gaurav? I never gave the > > details in any group. > > > > --Manoshi > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > Jupiter(swagrahi) as an AK is in conjuction with Mercury(AmK), > Rahu > > > (PK) and Venus(PiK) forming a good yoga and to top that also a > > seat > > > of Hora Lagna. In a way controlling other chara karakas and also > > > money. Giving a rashi drishti to 9(own house) and graha drishti > to > > 10 > > > house making you go in pursuit of attaining more knowledge as far > > as > > > 9 house matters are concerned. And lastly forming a Gaj Kesri > yoga > > in > > > D-60(5 house- again a seat of knowledge) with Jupiter (exalted) > > and > > > Moon (Swagrahi) and as the D-60 lagna lord indicating blessings > > from > > > God. Only thing is the position in 6 in rasi pointing to > > obstacles > > > which needs to be removed in such a pursuit. > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > , "Manoshi Chatterjee" > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > and 9th lord too....amazing. > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > , "Manoshi Chatterjee" > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > How right you are. it is swagrahi, vargottam and atmakarak. > > > > > great. Now if you you elaborate more on this....what was so > > > > special? > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > > > > > > > The anwser to your query lies in exploring yourelf or your > > > > chart. > > > > > It > > > > > > was not pertaining to Vargottam Planet but the way you have > > > > > replied > > > > > > to RR ji post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > Chatterjee" > > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > Elaborate more Gaurav. Do you mean to say only swagrahi > or > > AK > > > > > > > planets in vargottam do good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > > > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps it is the Swagrahi, in vargottama and > AtmaKaraka > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > (also 9 lord) that is speaking out for more knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > > > Chatterjee" > > > > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Arent these discussion groups for learning too? > > Everyone > > > > is > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > student at one point of time and learns from > > experience > > > > (by > > > > > > > solving > > > > > > > > > practical charts ) and clearing doubts from the > > learned. > > > > 30- > > > > > 40 > > > > > > > > > years back when there was no concept of these > > discussion > > > > > groups > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > people did not know the word internet, may be , books > > and > > > > > > > practical > > > > > > > > > learning were the only ways to learn and know. The > > > student > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > never ask a question in the class if he gets a "you > > know > > > > > > > nothing" > > > > > > > > > and "find out yourself, I will not help you" answer. > > > > > Project > > > > > > > > method > > > > > > > > > or the problem solving method is the best teaching > > method > > > > > for > > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > > > where the student learns himself by solving a problem > > but > > > > in > > > > > > > > today's > > > > > > > > > world there are some limitations especially in this > > field > > > > of > > > > > > > > > astrology. The sincerity of query has to be judged > > before > > > > > > > > > saying "no". That is how the knowledge flows from > high > > to > > > > > low > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > the knowledgeable at the high point keeps the faucet > > > > > blocked, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > genuine seeker at the bottom ia also deprived. > > Astrology > > > > no > > > > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > sometimes beyond logic or scientific explanation but > > in > > > my > > > > > > > opinion > > > > > > > > > to seek for the scientific explanation without being > > > held > > > > > in > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > superstition whatsoever is a very positive attitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "rohiniranjan" > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > [First of all, my sincere apologies to Manoshi for > > > using > > > > > her > > > > > > > > > earlier > > > > > > > > > > message as a sounding board for venting my > > frustration!] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is one frustrating *business*, > > particularly > > > if > > > > > one > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > sincere about it and also trying to live in a very > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > world > > > > > > > > > > like business, engineering, accounting, managing > > > people, > > > > > > > healing > > > > > > > > > > people, doing scientific research or deployed in a > > war- > > > > > zone > > > > > > > (even > > > > > > > > > > more so as a peace-keeping warrior as opposed to > > being > > > a > > > > > > shell- > > > > > > > > > happy > > > > > > > > > > killer sublimated to serve his country!). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is much hype and insincerity that exists in > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > jyotish has more than its fair share of that as we > > all > > > > > know > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > maybe have personally experienced! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time and again, we are reminded of reality, reality > > > that > > > > > > > exists > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > there and is perceived by most, as Gauruv's pointed > > > > > questions > > > > > > > > > remind > > > > > > > > > > us on this forum, and Mike/Mukund's experience with > > > > > > practicing > > > > > > > > > > astrologers get shared with us from time to time, > or > > > > > Tanvir's > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > special sensitive personal experiences or Trivedi- > > jee's > > > > > for > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > matter, remind us of there being more to the > reality > > > > that > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > astrologers have experienced and continue to > > > experience. > > > > > And, > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > many more postings that appear, here, some > > appealing, > > > > > others > > > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > > > in despite obvious flaws in logic or purity of > > intent - > > > > > > > > > > inadvertantly posted as those may be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The collage of humanity, of human experience, and > > its > > > > > breadth > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > spectral range mimicking so closely the physical > > > reality > > > > > > > brings > > > > > > > > > home > > > > > > > > > > the message to me so strongly :-- AS ABOVE, SO > > BELOW! > > > In > > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > and particularly in Jyotish, there will never be > > down- > > > > pat > > > > > > > > answers, > > > > > > > > > > no magical book or table of look-up indicators that > > > will > > > > > tell > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > story fully or clearly or obviously or even simply, > > > > recent > > > > > > > claims > > > > > > > > > > notwithstanding! It is very much like a marriage, > > > folks. > > > > > One > > > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > observe and really understand or experience it, > from > > > the > > > > > > > outside. > > > > > > > > > > You have to be in it, you have to be consumed by > it, > > > and > > > > > you > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > really want to know it!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall now hold my peace, whether it makes sense > to > > > you > > > > > or > > > > > > > not! > > > > > > > > > For > > > > > > > > > > the neophytes, particularly the intelligent, > logical > > > > ones - > > > > > - > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > thousands of years people have been trying to > figure > > > out > > > > > > > > > the "human > > > > > > > > > > experience" -- MOSTLY sages and detached ones and > > the > > > > > vocal > > > > > > > ones > > > > > > > > > > whose writings or spoken words survived (a lot > > spoken > > > by > > > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > lost, I am certain). But there is another very > > > important > > > > > > > segment > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > society that has been *quietly* experiencing it, > all > > > > THIS > > > > > > > time! > > > > > > > > Do > > > > > > > > > > not ever (please) minimize their direct and > personal > > > > > > > experience > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > that allegedly recorded by the Sages! There is not > > much > > > > > > oxygen > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > there, anyway, on the Himalayas as scientists > remind > > us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottom line: If you want to know about the species > > that > > > > > lives > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > muck and grime that surrounds us and our reality, > > the > > > > most > > > > > > > > > unlikely > > > > > > > > > > place to study that would be from the top of any > > > > Mountain > > > > > or > > > > > > > hill- > > > > > > > > > > top! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR--- In > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Far be it for me to take on that lofty > > responsibility > > > > > that > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > readily and kindly bestow upon me! When others > > many > > > > > years > > > > > > > older > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > me have already touched on that topic, d-e-c-a- d- > e- > > s > > > > > ago! > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > written several times tight here about Rattan > Lal, > > > and > > > > > his > > > > > > > book > > > > > > > > > > > entitled, "Nadi System of Prediction (Stellar > > Theory) > > > > > [the > > > > > > > > > edition > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > have dates back to 1=september 1983]. It is all > > > there! > > > > I > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > of you have actually looked for it, or tried to > > find > > > > it > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > modern comforts of your ergonomic computer chaise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "Manoshi > > > > > > > Chatterjee" > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You must actually intrude more so that we all > > can > > > > > learn > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge and experience. Well, I have a > > question > > > > > too. > > > > > > > Could > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > give your views about vargottam and its effects > > in > > > > > > > practical > > > > > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > > > > > (any example if you could give) and how much > > > > > importance > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > YOU > > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > to vargottam concept? for debilitation > vargottam > > > > > should > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > worse but say a planet is in enemy's sign and > > > > > > > > vargottam...what > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > its effect then or vargottam is only good for > > the > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > placed > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > favorable signs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > > > > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi, if I may introduce my two cents > here, > > > the > > > > > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > more to do with sattwik dreshkana (drekkana. > > > > > dreshkona > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > contemporary jyotishis have spelled it) than > > > > > navamsha > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > numbered sign as in rashi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will now hold my tongue! Sorry for > > intruding!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "Manoshi > > > > > > > > > Chatterjee" > > > > > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I understand, a planet in its vargottam > > > state > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So if a debilitated planet is again > > debilitated > > > > in > > > > > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength as a debilitated planet...so not > > > > > auspicious. > > > > > > > > > > Another > > > > > > > > > > > > > logic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which can be given is, the a debilitated > > planet > > > > in > > > > > > > rasi > > > > > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cancellation of debilitation if the planet > > is > > > in > > > > > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navamsa so naturally if it is in > > debilitation > > > > sign > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > navansa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > again ,will have worse effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > Nandkumar > > > > > > > Chinai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <nvchinai> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in Scorpio in both Rasi and > > Navamsa > > > in > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > particular > > > > > > > > > > > > > > case i.e it is debilated. So do I > > understand > > > > that > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > strength > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to moon because of the Vargottam condition > > is > > > > > > > satisfied, > > > > > > > > > > > inspite > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > debility ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly clarify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Nandkumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vargottam planet is that planet which > > > occupies > > > > > the > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > zodiacal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign in rashi as in navamsa chart (many > > > people > > > > > > > > > suggest... > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as in rashi and any divisional chart). It > > > > > increases > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > strength > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the planet and is generally said to give > > > > > auspicious > > > > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > > > > > eg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sun is in Leo in natal rashi chart and in > > the > > > > > > > navansa > > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > said to be vargottam. Indira Gandhi had 4 > > > > > vargottam > > > > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can cast your chart and find out > > yourself...:- > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , > > > > > Nandkumar > > > > > > > > > Chinai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <nvchinai> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is a Vargottam Planet ? What is > the > > > > > > > significance > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vargottam Planet ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a planet which is Vargottam in > > > this > > > > > > chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29th July 1974 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 06:30 Am (IST) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 73E37 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 23N02 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - 100MB > > free > > > > > storage! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have > > > been > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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