Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 and 9th lord too....amazing. --Manoshi , "Manoshi Chatterjee" <khallopapa> wrote: > > How right you are. it is swagrahi, vargottam and atmakarak. > great. Now if you you elaborate more on this....what was so special? > --Manoshi > , "Gaurav Sharma" > <gauravkom> wrote: > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > The anwser to your query lies in exploring yourelf or your chart. > It > > was not pertaining to Vargottam Planet but the way you have > replied > > to RR ji post. > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > , "Manoshi Chatterjee" > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > Elaborate more Gaurav. Do you mean to say only swagrahi or AK > > > planets in vargottam do good? > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > > > Perhaps it is the Swagrahi, in vargottama and AtmaKaraka > Jupiter > > > > (also 9 lord) that is speaking out for more knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi Chatterjee" > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > Arent these discussion groups for learning too? Everyone is > a > > > > > student at one point of time and learns from experience (by > > > solving > > > > > practical charts ) and clearing doubts from the learned. 30- > 40 > > > > > years back when there was no concept of these discussion > groups > > > and > > > > > people did not know the word internet, may be , books and > > > practical > > > > > learning were the only ways to learn and know. The student > > would > > > > > never ask a question in the class if he gets a "you know > > > nothing" > > > > > and "find out yourself, I will not help you" answer. > Project > > > > method > > > > > or the problem solving method is the best teaching method > for > > > sure > > > > > where the student learns himself by solving a problem but in > > > > today's > > > > > world there are some limitations especially in this field of > > > > > astrology. The sincerity of query has to be judged before > > > > > saying "no". That is how the knowledge flows from high to > low > > > and > > > > if > > > > > the knowledgeable at the high point keeps the faucet > blocked, > > > the > > > > > genuine seeker at the bottom ia also deprived. Astrology no > > > doubt > > > > is > > > > > sometimes beyond logic or scientific explanation but in my > > > opinion > > > > > to seek for the scientific explanation without being held > in > > > any > > > > > superstition whatsoever is a very positive attitude. > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > > <rrgb@s...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > [First of all, my sincere apologies to Manoshi for using > her > > > > > earlier > > > > > > message as a sounding board for venting my frustration!] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is one frustrating *business*, particularly if > one > > > is > > > > > > sincere about it and also trying to live in a very > pragmatic > > > > world > > > > > > like business, engineering, accounting, managing people, > > > healing > > > > > > people, doing scientific research or deployed in a war- > zone > > > (even > > > > > > more so as a peace-keeping warrior as opposed to being a > > shell- > > > > > happy > > > > > > killer sublimated to serve his country!). > > > > > > > > > > > > There is much hype and insincerity that exists in > astrology > > > and > > > > > > jyotish has more than its fair share of that as we all > know > > > and > > > > > > maybe have personally experienced! > > > > > > > > > > > > Time and again, we are reminded of reality, reality that > > > exists > > > > > out > > > > > > there and is perceived by most, as Gauruv's pointed > questions > > > > > remind > > > > > > us on this forum, and Mike/Mukund's experience with > > practicing > > > > > > astrologers get shared with us from time to time, or > Tanvir's > > > > very > > > > > > special sensitive personal experiences or Trivedi-jee's > for > > > that > > > > > > matter, remind us of there being more to the reality that > we > > > > > > astrologers have experienced and continue to experience. > And, > > > > many > > > > > > many more postings that appear, here, some appealing, > others > > > > taken > > > > > > in despite obvious flaws in logic or purity of intent - > > > > > > inadvertantly posted as those may be. > > > > > > > > > > > > The collage of humanity, of human experience, and its > breadth > > > and > > > > > > spectral range mimicking so closely the physical reality > > > brings > > > > > home > > > > > > the message to me so strongly :-- AS ABOVE, SO BELOW! In > > > > astrology > > > > > > and particularly in Jyotish, there will never be down- pat > > > > answers, > > > > > > no magical book or table of look-up indicators that will > tell > > > the > > > > > > story fully or clearly or obviously or even simply, recent > > > claims > > > > > > notwithstanding! It is very much like a marriage, folks. > One > > > > > cannot > > > > > > observe and really understand or experience it, from the > > > outside. > > > > > > You have to be in it, you have to be consumed by it, and > you > > > have > > > > > to > > > > > > really want to know it!! > > > > > > > > > > > > I shall now hold my peace, whether it makes sense to you > or > > > not! > > > > > For > > > > > > the neophytes, particularly the intelligent, logical ones - > - > > > for > > > > > > thousands of years people have been trying to figure out > > > > > the "human > > > > > > experience" -- MOSTLY sages and detached ones and the > vocal > > > ones > > > > > > whose writings or spoken words survived (a lot spoken by > > > others > > > > > was > > > > > > lost, I am certain). But there is another very important > > > segment > > > > > of > > > > > > society that has been *quietly* experiencing it, all THIS > > > time! > > > > Do > > > > > > not ever (please) minimize their direct and personal > > > experience > > > > > over > > > > > > that allegedly recorded by the Sages! There is not much > > oxygen > > > up > > > > > > there, anyway, on the Himalayas as scientists remind us! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bottom line: If you want to know about the species that > lives > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > muck and grime that surrounds us and our reality, the most > > > > > unlikely > > > > > > place to study that would be from the top of any Mountain > or > > > hill- > > > > > > top! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR--- In , "rohiniranjan" > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > Manoshi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Far be it for me to take on that lofty responsibility > that > > > you > > > > > so > > > > > > > readily and kindly bestow upon me! When others many > years > > > older > > > > > > than > > > > > > > me have already touched on that topic, d-e-c-a-d-e-s > ago! > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > > written several times tight here about Rattan Lal, and > his > > > book > > > > > > > entitled, "Nadi System of Prediction (Stellar Theory) > [the > > > > > edition > > > > > > I > > > > > > > have dates back to 1=september 1983]. It is all there! I > > > hope > > > > > many > > > > > > > of you have actually looked for it, or tried to find it > > from > > > > the > > > > > > > modern comforts of your ergonomic computer chaise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > > Chatterjee" > > > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > You must actually intrude more so that we all can > learn > > > from > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > knowledge and experience. Well, I have a question > too. > > > Could > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > give your views about vargottam and its effects in > > > practical > > > > > > charts > > > > > > > > (any example if you could give) and how much > importance > > do > > > > YOU > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > to vargottam concept? for debilitation vargottam > should > > > make > > > > > it > > > > > > > > worse but say a planet is in enemy's sign and > > > > vargottam...what > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > its effect then or vargottam is only good for the > planets > > > > > placed > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > favorable signs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "rohiniranjan" > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Manoshi, if I may introduce my two cents here, the > > > > > vargottama > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > more to do with sattwik dreshkana (drekkana. > dreshkona > > > as > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > contemporary jyotishis have spelled it) than > navamsha > > > with > > > > > the > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > numbered sign as in rashi! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will now hold my tongue! Sorry for intruding!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > > > > Chatterjee" > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > As I understand, a planet in its vargottam state > gets > > > > more > > > > > > > > > strength. > > > > > > > > > > So if a debilitated planet is again debilitated in > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > get > > > > > > > > > > strength as a debilitated planet...so not > auspicious. > > > > > > Another > > > > > > > > > logic > > > > > > > > > > which can be given is, the a debilitated planet in > > > rasi > > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > cancellation of debilitation if the planet is in > > > > > exaltation > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > navamsa so naturally if it is in debilitation sign > in > > > > > > navansa > > > > > > > > > > again ,will have worse effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Nandkumar > > > Chinai > > > > > > > > > > <nvchinai> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is in Scorpio in both Rasi and Navamsa in > this > > > > > > > particular > > > > > > > > > > case i.e it is debilated. So do I understand that > it > > > > > gives > > > > > > > > > strength > > > > > > > > > > to moon because of the Vargottam condition is > > > satisfied, > > > > > > > inspite > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > debility ? > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly clarify. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Nandkumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi Chatterjee <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Vargottam planet is that planet which occupies > the > > > same > > > > > > > > zodiacal > > > > > > > > > > > sign in rashi as in navamsa chart (many people > > > > > suggest... > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > as in rashi and any divisional chart). It > increases > > > the > > > > > > > > strength > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the planet and is generally said to give > auspicious > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > eg. > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > sun is in Leo in natal rashi chart and in the > > > navansa > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > said to be vargottam. Indira Gandhi had 4 > vargottam > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > can cast your chart and find out yourself...:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > Nandkumar > > > > > Chinai > > > > > > > > > > > <nvchinai> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Members: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is a Vargottam Planet ? What is the > > > significance > > > > > of > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > Vargottam Planet ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there a planet which is Vargottam in this > > chart: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 29th July 1974 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 06:30 Am (IST) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 73E37 > > > > > > > > > > > > 23N02 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - 100MB free > storage! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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