Significance of Bhava Chart --serious question

[Guest guest]

Hello Mr. Ranjan:

 

How many degrees does the Chalit chart move to the next rashi as

compared to Janma chart?

 

I think we need to add ONE degree to the planet in each rashi, i.e.

if Sun is in Taurus at 29.9 degrees, in the Chalit chart, Sun will be

1 degree Gemini.

 

Am I thinking correctly? Thanks.

 

Mukund

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> Bhava or chalit chart is a confusing and confused item in modern

> jyotish.

>

> Simply stated, the zodiac is divided into 12 segments. If you like

> pizza or pie, it is like taking a pizza and dividing it into 12

> equal slices. The slice with the red hot red pepper is aries, the

> one with the hawaiian pineaple is taurus, the one that looks oh so

> symmetrical is gemini, the juicy, watery one next to it is cancer,

> the one that kind of rises a bit higher than the rest is leo, the

> one with neatly arranged pieces of fruits, vegetables (no meat in

> this slice you will note) is virgo, the one that has fuzzy edges

but

> still looks nice and beautiful is libra, the one with all that red

> meat and kind of scary looking is scorpio, the next one that hardly

> looks like pizza is sagittarius, and then the funny looking

smallish

> but really quite potent darkish slice is capricorn, then comes the

> largish one right next to the glass of juice or soft drink and

> seemingly large enough to feed the entire table is aquarius and

> finally we get to the last piece which is hiding but not quite, and

> you have no idea what it is going to taste like or what surprises

it

> holds, is pisces!

>

> That is the cosmic chalit or cosmic bhavas. Some call it by the dry

> (jyotish can be very very dry if you have been hanging out at some

> of the lists!) name of whole house system. Kind of like whole wheat

> bread -- healthy piece and all, but really!

>

> Or you can take the virgin pizza (the sky undivided) and because

you

> are looking at it from an angle from the earth and not viewing it

as

> a circle or sphere but as an ellipse sort of (some slices could be

> larger than others but all are really equal and equally

nutritious!)

> and divide it so that the cuts match your viewpoint. You then end

up

> with the unequal house divisions, or more colourfully, the pizza

> that you can see and control from the earth (geocentric view).

> However, the problem with this view is that the pizza was not

cooked

> properly and is not flat, so it is kind of curved and floppy, so

> some of the 12 slices do not even show up, particularly if you go

> too far north and try to look at it. This is how Sripathi and

> Alcabitus and Porphyrii viewed it (since I have had no pizza for a

> few days, I could be mixing up the names!). However, they were too

> hungry so to get to the pizza quickly, they divided it hastily and

> averaged and approximated those divisions. But then came the anal

> scientist types, the morinuses and Regiomontanuses, and Campanuses

> and so on and they had better knowledge of spherical trigonometry

> (really just a fancy way of cutting the damned pizza into 12 or so

> slices so that everyone gets a nice equitable slice) and so on.

>

> Jyotishis being a practical crowd, did not wait that long. They

went

> for the whole house or recently the equal division for most of

their

> work and relegated the sripati slices (averaging) for shadbala

> determination, which is for many jyotishis, like: which sauce will

> you prefer? (we order all three but eat the pizza without the

sauce,

> anyway! We like the raw, native taste without sauces and curries,

> unless it is vindaloo, or shall I say VINDALOO!!).

>

> Most jyotishis, even the ones that don't admit, for most of their

> delineations, use just the whole house systems (one rashi per

house:

> planet in 1 d or 29.9d aries is in aries and if aries is rising,

> then the planet is in 1st house). Others who plan to eat rice, a

> curry and a favorite condiment (obviously much much) after the

pizza

> (just in case -- who wants to wake up at 2 AM hungry and prowl

> around the kitchen to the peril of one's annamaya kosha

particularly

> if married or living with the one who baked or ordered the pizza in

> the first place!) -- hedge their bets and go with the whole sign

for

> analysis and sripati for shadbala partly for convenience and partly

> because what they are after is that full feeling in the 'stomach'

> that ensures peaceful slumber!

>

> I think, I will now take a pizza break, if you friends do not mind!

>

> RR

>

>

>

> , Sreekumar Ambalath

> <skumar_astro> wrote:

> > Dear Learned Members ,

> >

> > What is the significance of Bhava Chart ? When will you

> use Bhava Chart and When will you use Rasi Chart

> >

> > thanks ,

> >

> > Sreekumar

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Mukund,

 

Chalit, as I learned is basically a generic term for bhava

chart. 'Jyotishis' generally use three bhava charts

a) using whole sign as bhava (all signs represented, one per house

starting with lagna rashi which constitutes the first house, the

next rashi 2nd house and so on (I know you know this, but just in

case a beginner is also reading this post)

 

b) using equal sign houses. In this case the first bhava extends

from lagna sphuta/spashta minus 15 degrees to lagna plus 15 degrees.

For example if lagna is taurus 16, then first bhava will extend from

1 taurus to 1 gemini, 2nd will be from 1 gemini to 1 cancer, etc. In

this system, portions of two signs can exist in one house, but all

signs are represented (no intercepted signs, regardless of latitude

of birthplace)

 

c) using sripathi paddhati (unequal house) which uses the lagna and

dasham sphuta and derives the remaining houses, by adding 180

degrees (opposite houses) and trisecting the lagna~tenth arc. It is

therefore is a kind of averaging system. With very high latitudes

(UK, Sweden, etc), a few signs may not rise at all and so there will

be intercepted signs which have no mention as far as I know in

jyotish.

 

d) some of the newer systems, notably KP has used Placidius house

systems and moved drastically away from the lagna at house mid

concept of jyotish. In jyotish, the house mid is the strongest point

of influence, while house cusp is the weakest. In western and those

following similar house systems, the cusp is the beginning and the

strongest point in a house.

 

To the best of my information, the planets are not modified or

touched, just the house cusps adjusted depending on whether one

wants to use the whole sign, equal house or unequal houses.

 

RR

 

, "monmuk111"

<monmuk111> wrote:

> Hello Mr. Ranjan:

>

> How many degrees does the Chalit chart move to the next rashi as

> compared to Janma chart?

>

> I think we need to add ONE degree to the planet in each rashi,

i.e.

> if Sun is in Taurus at 29.9 degrees, in the Chalit chart, Sun will

be

> 1 degree Gemini.

>

> Am I thinking correctly? Thanks.

>

> Mukund

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Bhava or chalit chart is a confusing and confused item in modern

> > jyotish.

> >

> > Simply stated, the zodiac is divided into 12 segments. If you

like

> > pizza or pie, it is like taking a pizza and dividing it into 12

> > equal slices. The slice with the red hot red pepper is aries,

the

> > one with the hawaiian pineaple is taurus, the one that looks oh

so

> > symmetrical is gemini, the juicy, watery one next to it is

cancer,

> > the one that kind of rises a bit higher than the rest is leo,

the

> > one with neatly arranged pieces of fruits, vegetables (no meat

in

> > this slice you will note) is virgo, the one that has fuzzy edges

> but

> > still looks nice and beautiful is libra, the one with all that

red

> > meat and kind of scary looking is scorpio, the next one that

hardly

> > looks like pizza is sagittarius, and then the funny looking

> smallish

> > but really quite potent darkish slice is capricorn, then comes

the

> > largish one right next to the glass of juice or soft drink and

> > seemingly large enough to feed the entire table is aquarius and

> > finally we get to the last piece which is hiding but not quite,

and

> > you have no idea what it is going to taste like or what

surprises

> it

> > holds, is pisces!

> >

> > That is the cosmic chalit or cosmic bhavas. Some call it by the

dry

> > (jyotish can be very very dry if you have been hanging out at

some

> > of the lists!) name of whole house system. Kind of like whole

wheat

> > bread -- healthy piece and all, but really!

> >

> > Or you can take the virgin pizza (the sky undivided) and because

> you

> > are looking at it from an angle from the earth and not viewing

it

> as

> > a circle or sphere but as an ellipse sort of (some slices could

be

> > larger than others but all are really equal and equally

> nutritious!)

> > and divide it so that the cuts match your viewpoint. You then

end

> up

> > with the unequal house divisions, or more colourfully, the pizza

> > that you can see and control from the earth (geocentric view).

> > However, the problem with this view is that the pizza was not

> cooked

> > properly and is not flat, so it is kind of curved and floppy, so

> > some of the 12 slices do not even show up, particularly if you

go

> > too far north and try to look at it. This is how Sripathi and

> > Alcabitus and Porphyrii viewed it (since I have had no pizza for

a

> > few days, I could be mixing up the names!). However, they were

too

> > hungry so to get to the pizza quickly, they divided it hastily

and

> > averaged and approximated those divisions. But then came the

anal

> > scientist types, the morinuses and Regiomontanuses, and

Campanuses

> > and so on and they had better knowledge of spherical

trigonometry

> > (really just a fancy way of cutting the damned pizza into 12 or

so

> > slices so that everyone gets a nice equitable slice) and so on.

> >

> > Jyotishis being a practical crowd, did not wait that long. They

> went

> > for the whole house or recently the equal division for most of

> their

> > work and relegated the sripati slices (averaging) for shadbala

> > determination, which is for many jyotishis, like: which sauce

will

> > you prefer? (we order all three but eat the pizza without the

> sauce,

> > anyway! We like the raw, native taste without sauces and

curries,

> > unless it is vindaloo, or shall I say VINDALOO!!).

> >

> > Most jyotishis, even the ones that don't admit, for most of

their

> > delineations, use just the whole house systems (one rashi per

> house:

> > planet in 1 d or 29.9d aries is in aries and if aries is rising,

> > then the planet is in 1st house). Others who plan to eat rice, a

> > curry and a favorite condiment (obviously much much) after the

> pizza

> > (just in case -- who wants to wake up at 2 AM hungry and prowl

> > around the kitchen to the peril of one's annamaya kosha

> particularly

> > if married or living with the one who baked or ordered the pizza

in

> > the first place!) -- hedge their bets and go with the whole sign

> for

> > analysis and sripati for shadbala partly for convenience and

partly

> > because what they are after is that full feeling in

the 'stomach'

> > that ensures peaceful slumber!

> >

> > I think, I will now take a pizza break, if you friends do not

mind!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> >

> > , Sreekumar Ambalath

> > <skumar_astro> wrote:

> > > Dear Learned Members ,

> > >

> > > What is the significance of Bhava Chart ? When will

you

> > use Bhava Chart and When will you use Rasi Chart

> > >

> > > thanks ,

> > >

> > > Sreekumar

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hello Mr. Ranjan:

 

This is great. I'll print it out and try to understand your notes

better using a my own chart.

 

I have this--my Sun in in Taurus at 29.21 degree in rashi chart in

the 7th house; however, it moves to the 8th house in "Sripati" chart.

 

Now, I understand--it doesn't move one degree, but the CUSP of the

8th house begins at 23 degrees Taurus, middle of 8th house begins at

8.36 degrees Gemini. So a planet located at 29.21 degrees Taurus in

7th house would fall in th 8th house in Gemini per "Sripati."

 

Ok. Will learn the significance of "Sripati" system later.

 

Thank you.

Mukund

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> Mukund,

>

> Chalit, as I learned is basically a generic term for bhava

> chart. 'Jyotishis' generally use three bhava charts

> a) using whole sign as bhava (all signs represented, one per house

> starting with lagna rashi which constitutes the first house, the

> next rashi 2nd house and so on (I know you know this, but just in

> case a beginner is also reading this post)

>

> b) using equal sign houses. In this case the first bhava extends

> from lagna sphuta/spashta minus 15 degrees to lagna plus 15

degrees.

> For example if lagna is taurus 16, then first bhava will extend

from

> 1 taurus to 1 gemini, 2nd will be from 1 gemini to 1 cancer, etc.

In

> this system, portions of two signs can exist in one house, but all

> signs are represented (no intercepted signs, regardless of latitude

> of birthplace)

>

> c) using sripathi paddhati (unequal house) which uses the lagna and

> dasham sphuta and derives the remaining houses, by adding 180

> degrees (opposite houses) and trisecting the lagna~tenth arc. It is

> therefore is a kind of averaging system. With very high latitudes

> (UK, Sweden, etc), a few signs may not rise at all and so there

will

> be intercepted signs which have no mention as far as I know in

> jyotish.

>

> d) some of the newer systems, notably KP has used Placidius house

> systems and moved drastically away from the lagna at house mid

> concept of jyotish. In jyotish, the house mid is the strongest

point

> of influence, while house cusp is the weakest. In western and those

> following similar house systems, the cusp is the beginning and the

> strongest point in a house.

>

> To the best of my information, the planets are not modified or

> touched, just the house cusps adjusted depending on whether one

> wants to use the whole sign, equal house or unequal houses.

>

> RR

>

> , "monmuk111"

> <monmuk111> wrote:

> > Hello Mr. Ranjan:

> >

> > How many degrees does the Chalit chart move to the next rashi as

> > compared to Janma chart?

> >

> > I think we need to add ONE degree to the planet in each rashi,

> i.e.

> > if Sun is in Taurus at 29.9 degrees, in the Chalit chart, Sun

will

> be

> > 1 degree Gemini.

> >

> > Am I thinking correctly? Thanks.

> >

> > Mukund

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Bhava or chalit chart is a confusing and confused item in

modern

> > > jyotish.

> > >

> > > Simply stated, the zodiac is divided into 12 segments. If you

> like

> > > pizza or pie, it is like taking a pizza and dividing it into 12

> > > equal slices. The slice with the red hot red pepper is aries,

> the

> > > one with the hawaiian pineaple is taurus, the one that looks oh

> so

> > > symmetrical is gemini, the juicy, watery one next to it is

> cancer,

> > > the one that kind of rises a bit higher than the rest is leo,

> the

> > > one with neatly arranged pieces of fruits, vegetables (no meat

> in

> > > this slice you will note) is virgo, the one that has fuzzy

edges

> > but

> > > still looks nice and beautiful is libra, the one with all that

> red

> > > meat and kind of scary looking is scorpio, the next one that

> hardly

> > > looks like pizza is sagittarius, and then the funny looking

> > smallish

> > > but really quite potent darkish slice is capricorn, then comes

> the

> > > largish one right next to the glass of juice or soft drink and

> > > seemingly large enough to feed the entire table is aquarius and

> > > finally we get to the last piece which is hiding but not quite,

> and

> > > you have no idea what it is going to taste like or what

> surprises

> > it

> > > holds, is pisces!

> > >

> > > That is the cosmic chalit or cosmic bhavas. Some call it by the

> dry

> > > (jyotish can be very very dry if you have been hanging out at

> some

> > > of the lists!) name of whole house system. Kind of like whole

> wheat

> > > bread -- healthy piece and all, but really!

> > >

> > > Or you can take the virgin pizza (the sky undivided) and

because

> > you

> > > are looking at it from an angle from the earth and not viewing

> it

> > as

> > > a circle or sphere but as an ellipse sort of (some slices could

> be

> > > larger than others but all are really equal and equally

> > nutritious!)

> > > and divide it so that the cuts match your viewpoint. You then

> end

> > up

> > > with the unequal house divisions, or more colourfully, the

pizza

> > > that you can see and control from the earth (geocentric view).

> > > However, the problem with this view is that the pizza was not

> > cooked

> > > properly and is not flat, so it is kind of curved and floppy,

so

> > > some of the 12 slices do not even show up, particularly if you

> go

> > > too far north and try to look at it. This is how Sripathi and

> > > Alcabitus and Porphyrii viewed it (since I have had no pizza

for

> a

> > > few days, I could be mixing up the names!). However, they were

> too

> > > hungry so to get to the pizza quickly, they divided it hastily

> and

> > > averaged and approximated those divisions. But then came the

> anal

> > > scientist types, the morinuses and Regiomontanuses, and

> Campanuses

> > > and so on and they had better knowledge of spherical

> trigonometry

> > > (really just a fancy way of cutting the damned pizza into 12 or

> so

> > > slices so that everyone gets a nice equitable slice) and so on.

> > >

> > > Jyotishis being a practical crowd, did not wait that long. They

> > went

> > > for the whole house or recently the equal division for most of

> > their

> > > work and relegated the sripati slices (averaging) for shadbala

> > > determination, which is for many jyotishis, like: which sauce

> will

> > > you prefer? (we order all three but eat the pizza without the

> > sauce,

> > > anyway! We like the raw, native taste without sauces and

> curries,

> > > unless it is vindaloo, or shall I say VINDALOO!!).

> > >

> > > Most jyotishis, even the ones that don't admit, for most of

> their

> > > delineations, use just the whole house systems (one rashi per

> > house:

> > > planet in 1 d or 29.9d aries is in aries and if aries is

rising,

> > > then the planet is in 1st house). Others who plan to eat rice,

a

> > > curry and a favorite condiment (obviously much much) after the

> > pizza

> > > (just in case -- who wants to wake up at 2 AM hungry and prowl

> > > around the kitchen to the peril of one's annamaya kosha

> > particularly

> > > if married or living with the one who baked or ordered the

pizza

> in

> > > the first place!) -- hedge their bets and go with the whole

sign

> > for

> > > analysis and sripati for shadbala partly for convenience and

> partly

> > > because what they are after is that full feeling in

> the 'stomach'

> > > that ensures peaceful slumber!

> > >

> > > I think, I will now take a pizza break, if you friends do not

> mind!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Sreekumar Ambalath

> > > <skumar_astro> wrote:

> > > > Dear Learned Members ,

> > > >

> > > > What is the significance of Bhava Chart ? When will

> you

> > > use Bhava Chart and When will you use Rasi Chart

> > > >

> > > > thanks ,

> > > >

> > > > Sreekumar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more

fun!

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Mr. Ranjan:

 

I sent you a detailed reply earlier, but it didn't show up on the

board. Yep, noted your fine explanation and now I understand

how "Sripati" works. More questions later.

 

Mukund

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> Mukund,

>

> Chalit, as I learned is basically a generic term for bhava

> chart. 'Jyotishis' generally use three bhava charts

> a) using whole sign as bhava (all signs represented, one per house

> starting with lagna rashi which constitutes the first house, the

> next rashi 2nd house and so on (I know you know this, but just in

> case a beginner is also reading this post)

>

> b) using equal sign houses. In this case the first bhava extends

> from lagna sphuta/spashta minus 15 degrees to lagna plus 15

degrees.

> For example if lagna is taurus 16, then first bhava will extend

from

> 1 taurus to 1 gemini, 2nd will be from 1 gemini to 1 cancer, etc.

In

> this system, portions of two signs can exist in one house, but all

> signs are represented (no intercepted signs, regardless of latitude

> of birthplace)

>

> c) using sripathi paddhati (unequal house) which uses the lagna and

> dasham sphuta and derives the remaining houses, by adding 180

> degrees (opposite houses) and trisecting the lagna~tenth arc. It is

> therefore is a kind of averaging system. With very high latitudes

> (UK, Sweden, etc), a few signs may not rise at all and so there

will

> be intercepted signs which have no mention as far as I know in

> jyotish.

>

> d) some of the newer systems, notably KP has used Placidius house

> systems and moved drastically away from the lagna at house mid

> concept of jyotish. In jyotish, the house mid is the strongest

point

> of influence, while house cusp is the weakest. In western and those

> following similar house systems, the cusp is the beginning and the

> strongest point in a house.

>

> To the best of my information, the planets are not modified or

> touched, just the house cusps adjusted depending on whether one

> wants to use the whole sign, equal house or unequal houses.

>

> RR

>

> , "monmuk111"

> <monmuk111> wrote:

> > Hello Mr. Ranjan:

> >

> > How many degrees does the Chalit chart move to the next rashi as

> > compared to Janma chart?

> >

> > I think we need to add ONE degree to the planet in each rashi,

> i.e.

> > if Sun is in Taurus at 29.9 degrees, in the Chalit chart, Sun

will

> be

> > 1 degree Gemini.

> >

> > Am I thinking correctly? Thanks.

> >

> > Mukund

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Bhava or chalit chart is a confusing and confused item in

modern

> > > jyotish.

> > >

> > > Simply stated, the zodiac is divided into 12 segments. If you

> like

> > > pizza or pie, it is like taking a pizza and dividing it into 12

> > > equal slices. The slice with the red hot red pepper is aries,

> the

> > > one with the hawaiian pineaple is taurus, the one that looks oh

> so

> > > symmetrical is gemini, the juicy, watery one next to it is

> cancer,

> > > the one that kind of rises a bit higher than the rest is leo,

> the

> > > one with neatly arranged pieces of fruits, vegetables (no meat

> in

> > > this slice you will note) is virgo, the one that has fuzzy

edges

> > but

> > > still looks nice and beautiful is libra, the one with all that

> red

> > > meat and kind of scary looking is scorpio, the next one that

> hardly

> > > looks like pizza is sagittarius, and then the funny looking

> > smallish

> > > but really quite potent darkish slice is capricorn, then comes

> the

> > > largish one right next to the glass of juice or soft drink and

> > > seemingly large enough to feed the entire table is aquarius and

> > > finally we get to the last piece which is hiding but not quite,

> and

> > > you have no idea what it is going to taste like or what

> surprises

> > it

> > > holds, is pisces!

> > >

> > > That is the cosmic chalit or cosmic bhavas. Some call it by the

> dry

> > > (jyotish can be very very dry if you have been hanging out at

> some

> > > of the lists!) name of whole house system. Kind of like whole

> wheat

> > > bread -- healthy piece and all, but really!

> > >

> > > Or you can take the virgin pizza (the sky undivided) and

because

> > you

> > > are looking at it from an angle from the earth and not viewing

> it

> > as

> > > a circle or sphere but as an ellipse sort of (some slices could

> be

> > > larger than others but all are really equal and equally

> > nutritious!)

> > > and divide it so that the cuts match your viewpoint. You then

> end

> > up

> > > with the unequal house divisions, or more colourfully, the

pizza

> > > that you can see and control from the earth (geocentric view).

> > > However, the problem with this view is that the pizza was not

> > cooked

> > > properly and is not flat, so it is kind of curved and floppy,

so

> > > some of the 12 slices do not even show up, particularly if you

> go

> > > too far north and try to look at it. This is how Sripathi and

> > > Alcabitus and Porphyrii viewed it (since I have had no pizza

for

> a

> > > few days, I could be mixing up the names!). However, they were

> too

> > > hungry so to get to the pizza quickly, they divided it hastily

> and

> > > averaged and approximated those divisions. But then came the

> anal

> > > scientist types, the morinuses and Regiomontanuses, and

> Campanuses

> > > and so on and they had better knowledge of spherical

> trigonometry

> > > (really just a fancy way of cutting the damned pizza into 12 or

> so

> > > slices so that everyone gets a nice equitable slice) and so on.

> > >

> > > Jyotishis being a practical crowd, did not wait that long. They

> > went

> > > for the whole house or recently the equal division for most of

> > their

> > > work and relegated the sripati slices (averaging) for shadbala

> > > determination, which is for many jyotishis, like: which sauce

> will

> > > you prefer? (we order all three but eat the pizza without the

> > sauce,

> > > anyway! We like the raw, native taste without sauces and

> curries,

> > > unless it is vindaloo, or shall I say VINDALOO!!).

> > >

> > > Most jyotishis, even the ones that don't admit, for most of

> their

> > > delineations, use just the whole house systems (one rashi per

> > house:

> > > planet in 1 d or 29.9d aries is in aries and if aries is

rising,

> > > then the planet is in 1st house). Others who plan to eat rice,

a

> > > curry and a favorite condiment (obviously much much) after the

> > pizza

> > > (just in case -- who wants to wake up at 2 AM hungry and prowl

> > > around the kitchen to the peril of one's annamaya kosha

> > particularly

> > > if married or living with the one who baked or ordered the

pizza

> in

> > > the first place!) -- hedge their bets and go with the whole

sign

> > for

> > > analysis and sripati for shadbala partly for convenience and

> partly

> > > because what they are after is that full feeling in

> the 'stomach'

> > > that ensures peaceful slumber!

> > >

> > > I think, I will now take a pizza break, if you friends do not

> mind!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Sreekumar Ambalath

> > > <skumar_astro> wrote:

> > > > Dear Learned Members ,

> > > >

> > > > What is the significance of Bhava Chart ? When will

> you

> > > use Bhava Chart and When will you use Rasi Chart

> > > >

> > > > thanks ,

> > > >

> > > > Sreekumar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more

fun!

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Rohiniji,

 

Thanks for the interesting explanation of bhavas. Here is a very basic

issue I have never managed to get my head around:

 

If a planet is in a sign in the rasi chart, how does it change its sign in

the navamsa chart? As I understand it, the navamsa involves a finer cutting

of the pizza, making 9 pieces out of each slice(sign). If a planet is in a

slice/sign in the Rasi chart, how does cutting the slice lead to it

changing its sign?

 

Hope you will be able to come up with a metaphor that would help me with

this!

 

Ram

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Mukund,

>

> Chalit, as I learned is basically a generic term for bhava

> chart. 'Jyotishis' generally use three bhava charts

> a) using whole sign as bhava (all signs represented, one per house

> starting with lagna rashi which constitutes the first house, the

> next rashi 2nd house and so on (I know you know this, but just in

> case a beginner is also reading this post)

>

> b) using equal sign houses. In this case the first bhava extends

> from lagna sphuta/spashta minus 15 degrees to lagna plus 15 degrees.

> For example if lagna is taurus 16, then first bhava will extend from

> 1 taurus to 1 gemini, 2nd will be from 1 gemini to 1 cancer, etc. In

> this system, portions of two signs can exist in one house, but all

> signs are represented (no intercepted signs, regardless of latitude

> of birthplace)

>

> c) using sripathi paddhati (unequal house) which uses the lagna and

> dasham sphuta and derives the remaining houses, by adding 180

> degrees (opposite houses) and trisecting the lagna~tenth arc. It is

> therefore is a kind of averaging system. With very high latitudes

> (UK, Sweden, etc), a few signs may not rise at all and so there will

> be intercepted signs which have no mention as far as I know in

> jyotish.

>

> d) some of the newer systems, notably KP has used Placidius house

> systems and moved drastically away from the lagna at house mid

> concept of jyotish. In jyotish, the house mid is the strongest point

> of influence, while house cusp is the weakest. In western and those

> following similar house systems, the cusp is the beginning and the

> strongest point in a house.

>

> To the best of my information, the planets are not modified or

> touched, just the house cusps adjusted depending on whether one

> wants to use the whole sign, equal house or unequal houses.

>

> RR

>

> , "monmuk111"

> <monmuk111> wrote:

> > Hello Mr. Ranjan:

> >

> > How many degrees does the Chalit chart move to the next rashi as

> > compared to Janma chart?

> >

> > I think we need to add ONE degree to the planet in each rashi,

> i.e.

> > if Sun is in Taurus at 29.9 degrees, in the Chalit chart, Sun will

> be

> > 1 degree Gemini.

> >

> > Am I thinking correctly? Thanks.

> >

> > Mukund

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Bhava or chalit chart is a confusing and confused item in modern

> > > jyotish.

> > >

> > > Simply stated, the zodiac is divided into 12 segments. If you

> like

> > > pizza or pie, it is like taking a pizza and dividing it into 12

> > > equal slices. The slice with the red hot red pepper is aries,

> the

> > > one with the hawaiian pineaple is taurus, the one that looks oh

> so

> > > symmetrical is gemini, the juicy, watery one next to it is

> cancer,

> > > the one that kind of rises a bit higher than the rest is leo,

> the

> > > one with neatly arranged pieces of fruits, vegetables (no meat

> in

> > > this slice you will note) is virgo, the one that has fuzzy edges

> > but

> > > still looks nice and beautiful is libra, the one with all that

> red

> > > meat and kind of scary looking is scorpio, the next one that

> hardly

> > > looks like pizza is sagittarius, and then the funny looking

> > smallish

> > > but really quite potent darkish slice is capricorn, then comes

> the

> > > largish one right next to the glass of juice or soft drink and

> > > seemingly large enough to feed the entire table is aquarius and

> > > finally we get to the last piece which is hiding but not quite,

> and

> > > you have no idea what it is going to taste like or what

> surprises

> > it

> > > holds, is pisces!

> > >

> > > That is the cosmic chalit or cosmic bhavas. Some call it by the

> dry

> > > (jyotish can be very very dry if you have been hanging out at

> some

> > > of the lists!) name of whole house system. Kind of like whole

> wheat

> > > bread -- healthy piece and all, but really!

> > >

> > > Or you can take the virgin pizza (the sky undivided) and because

> > you

> > > are looking at it from an angle from the earth and not viewing

> it

> > as

> > > a circle or sphere but as an ellipse sort of (some slices could

> be

> > > larger than others but all are really equal and equally

> > nutritious!)

> > > and divide it so that the cuts match your viewpoint. You then

> end

> > up

> > > with the unequal house divisions, or more colourfully, the pizza

> > > that you can see and control from the earth (geocentric view).

> > > However, the problem with this view is that the pizza was not

> > cooked

> > > properly and is not flat, so it is kind of curved and floppy, so

> > > some of the 12 slices do not even show up, particularly if you

> go

> > > too far north and try to look at it. This is how Sripathi and

> > > Alcabitus and Porphyrii viewed it (since I have had no pizza for

> a

> > > few days, I could be mixing up the names!). However, they were

> too

> > > hungry so to get to the pizza quickly, they divided it hastily

> and

> > > averaged and approximated those divisions. But then came the

> anal

> > > scientist types, the morinuses and Regiomontanuses, and

> Campanuses

> > > and so on and they had better knowledge of spherical

> trigonometry

> > > (really just a fancy way of cutting the damned pizza into 12 or

> so

> > > slices so that everyone gets a nice equitable slice) and so on.

> > >

> > > Jyotishis being a practical crowd, did not wait that long. They

> > went

> > > for the whole house or recently the equal division for most of

> > their

> > > work and relegated the sripati slices (averaging) for shadbala

> > > determination, which is for many jyotishis, like: which sauce

> will

> > > you prefer? (we order all three but eat the pizza without the

> > sauce,

> > > anyway! We like the raw, native taste without sauces and

> curries,

> > > unless it is vindaloo, or shall I say VINDALOO!!).

> > >

> > > Most jyotishis, even the ones that don't admit, for most of

> their

> > > delineations, use just the whole house systems (one rashi per

> > house:

> > > planet in 1 d or 29.9d aries is in aries and if aries is rising,

> > > then the planet is in 1st house). Others who plan to eat rice, a

> > > curry and a favorite condiment (obviously much much) after the

> > pizza

> > > (just in case -- who wants to wake up at 2 AM hungry and prowl

> > > around the kitchen to the peril of one's annamaya kosha

> > particularly

> > > if married or living with the one who baked or ordered the pizza

> in

> > > the first place!) -- hedge their bets and go with the whole sign

> > for

> > > analysis and sripati for shadbala partly for convenience and

> partly

> > > because what they are after is that full feeling in

> the 'stomach'

> > > that ensures peaceful slumber!

> > >

> > > I think, I will now take a pizza break, if you friends do not

> mind!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Sreekumar Ambalath

> > > <skumar_astro> wrote:

> > > > Dear Learned Members ,

> > > >

> > > > What is the significance of Bhava Chart ? When will

> you

> > > use Bhava Chart and When will you use Rasi Chart

> > > >

> > > > thanks ,

> > > >

> > > > Sreekumar

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Mukund,

 

Please note that most software use sripati houses for calculating

planetary strength, so if you are using whole house or equal house

system, please be aware of this, since there could be slight shifts,

for instance, mars though in tenth rashi, may be in the 11th or 9th

bhava by Sripati house division and therefore would lose out on

directional strength, etc.

 

, "monmuk111"

<monmuk111> wrote:

> Hello Mr. Ranjan:

>

> This is great. I'll print it out and try to understand your notes

> better using a my own chart.

>

> I have this--my Sun in in Taurus at 29.21 degree in rashi chart in

> the 7th house; however, it moves to the 8th house in "Sripati"

chart.

>

> Now, I understand--it doesn't move one degree, but the CUSP of the

> 8th house begins at 23 degrees Taurus, middle of 8th house begins

at

> 8.36 degrees Gemini. So a planet located at 29.21 degrees Taurus

in

> 7th house would fall in th 8th house in Gemini per "Sripati."

>

> Ok. Will learn the significance of "Sripati" system later.

>

> Thank you.

> Mukund

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Mukund,

> >

> > Chalit, as I learned is basically a generic term for bhava

> > chart. 'Jyotishis' generally use three bhava charts

> > a) using whole sign as bhava (all signs represented, one per

house

> > starting with lagna rashi which constitutes the first house, the

> > next rashi 2nd house and so on (I know you know this, but just

in

> > case a beginner is also reading this post)

> >

> > b) using equal sign houses. In this case the first bhava extends

> > from lagna sphuta/spashta minus 15 degrees to lagna plus 15

> degrees.

> > For example if lagna is taurus 16, then first bhava will extend

> from

> > 1 taurus to 1 gemini, 2nd will be from 1 gemini to 1 cancer,

etc.

> In

> > this system, portions of two signs can exist in one house, but

all

> > signs are represented (no intercepted signs, regardless of

latitude

> > of birthplace)

> >

> > c) using sripathi paddhati (unequal house) which uses the lagna

and

> > dasham sphuta and derives the remaining houses, by adding 180

> > degrees (opposite houses) and trisecting the lagna~tenth arc. It

is

> > therefore is a kind of averaging system. With very high

latitudes

> > (UK, Sweden, etc), a few signs may not rise at all and so there

> will

> > be intercepted signs which have no mention as far as I know in

> > jyotish.

> >

> > d) some of the newer systems, notably KP has used Placidius

house

> > systems and moved drastically away from the lagna at house mid

> > concept of jyotish. In jyotish, the house mid is the strongest

> point

> > of influence, while house cusp is the weakest. In western and

those

> > following similar house systems, the cusp is the beginning and

the

> > strongest point in a house.

> >

> > To the best of my information, the planets are not modified or

> > touched, just the house cusps adjusted depending on whether one

> > wants to use the whole sign, equal house or unequal houses.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "monmuk111"

> > <monmuk111> wrote:

> > > Hello Mr. Ranjan:

> > >

> > > How many degrees does the Chalit chart move to the next rashi

as

> > > compared to Janma chart?

> > >

> > > I think we need to add ONE degree to the planet in each rashi,

> > i.e.

> > > if Sun is in Taurus at 29.9 degrees, in the Chalit chart, Sun

> will

> > be

> > > 1 degree Gemini.

> > >

> > > Am I thinking correctly? Thanks.

> > >

> > > Mukund

> > >

> > > , "rohiniranjan"

> > <rrgb@s...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Bhava or chalit chart is a confusing and confused item in

> modern

> > > > jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > Simply stated, the zodiac is divided into 12 segments. If

you

> > like

> > > > pizza or pie, it is like taking a pizza and dividing it into

12

> > > > equal slices. The slice with the red hot red pepper is

aries,

> > the

> > > > one with the hawaiian pineaple is taurus, the one that looks

oh

> > so

> > > > symmetrical is gemini, the juicy, watery one next to it is

> > cancer,

> > > > the one that kind of rises a bit higher than the rest is

leo,

> > the

> > > > one with neatly arranged pieces of fruits, vegetables (no

meat

> > in

> > > > this slice you will note) is virgo, the one that has fuzzy

> edges

> > > but

> > > > still looks nice and beautiful is libra, the one with all

that

> > red

> > > > meat and kind of scary looking is scorpio, the next one that

> > hardly

> > > > looks like pizza is sagittarius, and then the funny looking

> > > smallish

> > > > but really quite potent darkish slice is capricorn, then

comes

> > the

> > > > largish one right next to the glass of juice or soft drink

and

> > > > seemingly large enough to feed the entire table is aquarius

and

> > > > finally we get to the last piece which is hiding but not

quite,

> > and

> > > > you have no idea what it is going to taste like or what

> > surprises

> > > it

> > > > holds, is pisces!

> > > >

> > > > That is the cosmic chalit or cosmic bhavas. Some call it by

the

> > dry

> > > > (jyotish can be very very dry if you have been hanging out

at

> > some

> > > > of the lists!) name of whole house system. Kind of like

whole

> > wheat

> > > > bread -- healthy piece and all, but really!

> > > >

> > > > Or you can take the virgin pizza (the sky undivided) and

> because

> > > you

> > > > are looking at it from an angle from the earth and not

viewing

> > it

> > > as

> > > > a circle or sphere but as an ellipse sort of (some slices

could

> > be

> > > > larger than others but all are really equal and equally

> > > nutritious!)

> > > > and divide it so that the cuts match your viewpoint. You

then

> > end

> > > up

> > > > with the unequal house divisions, or more colourfully, the

> pizza

> > > > that you can see and control from the earth (geocentric

view).

> > > > However, the problem with this view is that the pizza was

not

> > > cooked

> > > > properly and is not flat, so it is kind of curved and

floppy,

> so

> > > > some of the 12 slices do not even show up, particularly if

you

> > go

> > > > too far north and try to look at it. This is how Sripathi

and

> > > > Alcabitus and Porphyrii viewed it (since I have had no pizza

> for

> > a

> > > > few days, I could be mixing up the names!). However, they

were

> > too

> > > > hungry so to get to the pizza quickly, they divided it

hastily

> > and

> > > > averaged and approximated those divisions. But then came the

> > anal

> > > > scientist types, the morinuses and Regiomontanuses, and

> > Campanuses

> > > > and so on and they had better knowledge of spherical

> > trigonometry

> > > > (really just a fancy way of cutting the damned pizza into 12

or

> > so

> > > > slices so that everyone gets a nice equitable slice) and so

on.

> > > >

> > > > Jyotishis being a practical crowd, did not wait that long.

They

> > > went

> > > > for the whole house or recently the equal division for most

of

> > > their

> > > > work and relegated the sripati slices (averaging) for

shadbala

> > > > determination, which is for many jyotishis, like: which

sauce

> > will

> > > > you prefer? (we order all three but eat the pizza without

the

> > > sauce,

> > > > anyway! We like the raw, native taste without sauces and

> > curries,

> > > > unless it is vindaloo, or shall I say VINDALOO!!).

> > > >

> > > > Most jyotishis, even the ones that don't admit, for most of

> > their

> > > > delineations, use just the whole house systems (one rashi

per

> > > house:

> > > > planet in 1 d or 29.9d aries is in aries and if aries is

> rising,

> > > > then the planet is in 1st house). Others who plan to eat

rice,

> a

> > > > curry and a favorite condiment (obviously much much) after

the

> > > pizza

> > > > (just in case -- who wants to wake up at 2 AM hungry and

prowl

> > > > around the kitchen to the peril of one's annamaya kosha

> > > particularly

> > > > if married or living with the one who baked or ordered the

> pizza

> > in

> > > > the first place!) -- hedge their bets and go with the whole

> sign

> > > for

> > > > analysis and sripati for shadbala partly for convenience and

> > partly

> > > > because what they are after is that full feeling in

> > the 'stomach'

> > > > that ensures peaceful slumber!

> > > >

> > > > I think, I will now take a pizza break, if you friends do

not

> > mind!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Sreekumar Ambalath

> > > > <skumar_astro> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Learned Members ,

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the significance of Bhava Chart ? When

will

> > you

> > > > use Bhava Chart and When will you use Rasi Chart

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks ,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreekumar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more

> fun!

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

The metaphor that comes to mind is that of a hologram. Each hologram

as I understand is made of pieces each of which are whole (hence

hologram). The metaphor should not continue (or someone will ask:

how about strength? Each fragment of the hologram is weaker in

intensity than the whole? I think in jyotish the smaller fragments

are probably stronger or at least more specific to a certain area).

 

So think of the zodiac as the hologram. It has 12 flavours of

expression, pepper, french vanilla icecream (which I just simply

love to death, on a hot humid day!), methi, milk, saffron, wheat,

etc etc). Each of these flavours then have within them depictions of

the same flavours. In the navamsha arrangement, for instance, the 12

flavours are distributed over a sign and a quarter (9 navamshas in

one sign and remaining 3 in the next). In standard dreshkana, the

pieces of hologram are arranged in a trinal pattern, flavours, 2,3,4

skipped, then flavour 6,7,8 skipped, and so on), in dwadashamsha,

the situation is more 'in phase' since each segment of hologram

contains all the segments and so on. I am not going to go into the

signficiances of the arrangements here, but encourage you to think

about those ...!

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

, "vargottama"

<vargottama> wrote:

> Rohiniji,

>

> Thanks for the interesting explanation of bhavas. Here is a very

basic

> issue I have never managed to get my head around:

>

> If a planet is in a sign in the rasi chart, how does it change its

sign in

> the navamsa chart? As I understand it, the navamsa involves a

finer cutting

> of the pizza, making 9 pieces out of each slice(sign). If a planet

is in a

> slice/sign in the Rasi chart, how does cutting the slice lead to

it

> changing its sign?

>

> Hope you will be able to come up with a metaphor that would help

me with

> this!

>

> Ram

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Mukund,

> >

> > Chalit, as I learned is basically a generic term for bhava

> > chart. 'Jyotishis' generally use three bhava charts

> > a) using whole sign as bhava (all signs represented, one per

house

> > starting with lagna rashi which constitutes the first house, the

> > next rashi 2nd house and so on (I know you know this, but just

in

> > case a beginner is also reading this post)

> >

> > b) using equal sign houses. In this case the first bhava extends

> > from lagna sphuta/spashta minus 15 degrees to lagna plus 15

degrees.

> > For example if lagna is taurus 16, then first bhava will extend

from

> > 1 taurus to 1 gemini, 2nd will be from 1 gemini to 1 cancer,

etc. In

> > this system, portions of two signs can exist in one house, but

all

> > signs are represented (no intercepted signs, regardless of

latitude

> > of birthplace)

> >

> > c) using sripathi paddhati (unequal house) which uses the lagna

and

> > dasham sphuta and derives the remaining houses, by adding 180

> > degrees (opposite houses) and trisecting the lagna~tenth arc. It

is

> > therefore is a kind of averaging system. With very high

latitudes

> > (UK, Sweden, etc), a few signs may not rise at all and so there

will

> > be intercepted signs which have no mention as far as I know in

> > jyotish.

> >

> > d) some of the newer systems, notably KP has used Placidius

house

> > systems and moved drastically away from the lagna at house mid

> > concept of jyotish. In jyotish, the house mid is the strongest

point

> > of influence, while house cusp is the weakest. In western and

those

> > following similar house systems, the cusp is the beginning and

the

> > strongest point in a house.

> >

> > To the best of my information, the planets are not modified or

> > touched, just the house cusps adjusted depending on whether one

> > wants to use the whole sign, equal house or unequal houses.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "monmuk111"

> > <monmuk111> wrote:

> > > Hello Mr. Ranjan:

> > >

> > > How many degrees does the Chalit chart move to the next rashi

as

> > > compared to Janma chart?

> > >

> > > I think we need to add ONE degree to the planet in each rashi,

> > i.e.

> > > if Sun is in Taurus at 29.9 degrees, in the Chalit chart, Sun

will

> > be

> > > 1 degree Gemini.

> > >

> > > Am I thinking correctly? Thanks.

> > >

> > > Mukund

> > >

> > > , "rohiniranjan"

> > <rrgb@s...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Bhava or chalit chart is a confusing and confused item in

modern

> > > > jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > Simply stated, the zodiac is divided into 12 segments. If

you

> > like

> > > > pizza or pie, it is like taking a pizza and dividing it into

12

> > > > equal slices. The slice with the red hot red pepper is

aries,

> > the

> > > > one with the hawaiian pineaple is taurus, the one that looks

oh

> > so

> > > > symmetrical is gemini, the juicy, watery one next to it is

> > cancer,

> > > > the one that kind of rises a bit higher than the rest is

leo,

> > the

> > > > one with neatly arranged pieces of fruits, vegetables (no

meat

> > in

> > > > this slice you will note) is virgo, the one that has fuzzy

edges

> > > but

> > > > still looks nice and beautiful is libra, the one with all

that

> > red

> > > > meat and kind of scary looking is scorpio, the next one that

> > hardly

> > > > looks like pizza is sagittarius, and then the funny looking

> > > smallish

> > > > but really quite potent darkish slice is capricorn, then

comes

> > the

> > > > largish one right next to the glass of juice or soft drink

and

> > > > seemingly large enough to feed the entire table is aquarius

and

> > > > finally we get to the last piece which is hiding but not

quite,

> > and

> > > > you have no idea what it is going to taste like or what

> > surprises

> > > it

> > > > holds, is pisces!

> > > >

> > > > That is the cosmic chalit or cosmic bhavas. Some call it by

the

> > dry

> > > > (jyotish can be very very dry if you have been hanging out

at

> > some

> > > > of the lists!) name of whole house system. Kind of like

whole

> > wheat

> > > > bread -- healthy piece and all, but really!

> > > >

> > > > Or you can take the virgin pizza (the sky undivided) and

because

> > > you

> > > > are looking at it from an angle from the earth and not

viewing

> > it

> > > as

> > > > a circle or sphere but as an ellipse sort of (some slices

could

> > be

> > > > larger than others but all are really equal and equally

> > > nutritious!)

> > > > and divide it so that the cuts match your viewpoint. You

then

> > end

> > > up

> > > > with the unequal house divisions, or more colourfully, the

pizza

> > > > that you can see and control from the earth (geocentric

view).

> > > > However, the problem with this view is that the pizza was

not

> > > cooked

> > > > properly and is not flat, so it is kind of curved and

floppy, so

> > > > some of the 12 slices do not even show up, particularly if

you

> > go

> > > > too far north and try to look at it. This is how Sripathi

and

> > > > Alcabitus and Porphyrii viewed it (since I have had no pizza

for

> > a

> > > > few days, I could be mixing up the names!). However, they

were

> > too

> > > > hungry so to get to the pizza quickly, they divided it

hastily

> > and

> > > > averaged and approximated those divisions. But then came the

> > anal

> > > > scientist types, the morinuses and Regiomontanuses, and

> > Campanuses

> > > > and so on and they had better knowledge of spherical

> > trigonometry

> > > > (really just a fancy way of cutting the damned pizza into 12

or

> > so

> > > > slices so that everyone gets a nice equitable slice) and so

on.

> > > >

> > > > Jyotishis being a practical crowd, did not wait that long.

They

> > > went

> > > > for the whole house or recently the equal division for most

of

> > > their

> > > > work and relegated the sripati slices (averaging) for

shadbala

> > > > determination, which is for many jyotishis, like: which

sauce

> > will

> > > > you prefer? (we order all three but eat the pizza without

the

> > > sauce,

> > > > anyway! We like the raw, native taste without sauces and

> > curries,

> > > > unless it is vindaloo, or shall I say VINDALOO!!).

> > > >

> > > > Most jyotishis, even the ones that don't admit, for most of

> > their

> > > > delineations, use just the whole house systems (one rashi

per

> > > house:

> > > > planet in 1 d or 29.9d aries is in aries and if aries is

rising,

> > > > then the planet is in 1st house). Others who plan to eat

rice, a

> > > > curry and a favorite condiment (obviously much much) after

the

> > > pizza

> > > > (just in case -- who wants to wake up at 2 AM hungry and

prowl

> > > > around the kitchen to the peril of one's annamaya kosha

> > > particularly

> > > > if married or living with the one who baked or ordered the

pizza

> > in

> > > > the first place!) -- hedge their bets and go with the whole

sign

> > > for

> > > > analysis and sripati for shadbala partly for convenience and

> > partly

> > > > because what they are after is that full feeling in

> > the 'stomach'

> > > > that ensures peaceful slumber!

> > > >

> > > > I think, I will now take a pizza break, if you friends do

not

> > mind!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Sreekumar Ambalath

> > > > <skumar_astro> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Learned Members ,

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the significance of Bhava Chart ? When

will

> > you

> > > > use Bhava Chart and When will you use Rasi Chart

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks ,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreekumar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more

fun!

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Also don't forget the vargottama navamamsha. I mentioned that in an

earlier message quoting a book which mentions that. This is where

holograms overlap!

 

Now back to regular programming...

 

RR

 

 

, "vargottama"

<vargottama> wrote:

> Rohiniji,

>

> Thanks for the interesting explanation of bhavas. Here is a very

basic

> issue I have never managed to get my head around:

>

> If a planet is in a sign in the rasi chart, how does it change its

sign in

> the navamsa chart? As I understand it, the navamsa involves a

finer cutting

> of the pizza, making 9 pieces out of each slice(sign). If a planet

is in a

> slice/sign in the Rasi chart, how does cutting the slice lead to

it

> changing its sign?

>

> Hope you will be able to come up with a metaphor that would help

me with

> this!

>

> Ram

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Mukund,

> >

> > Chalit, as I learned is basically a generic term for bhava

> > chart. 'Jyotishis' generally use three bhava charts

> > a) using whole sign as bhava (all signs represented, one per

house

> > starting with lagna rashi which constitutes the first house, the

> > next rashi 2nd house and so on (I know you know this, but just

in

> > case a beginner is also reading this post)

> >

> > b) using equal sign houses. In this case the first bhava extends

> > from lagna sphuta/spashta minus 15 degrees to lagna plus 15

degrees.

> > For example if lagna is taurus 16, then first bhava will extend

from

> > 1 taurus to 1 gemini, 2nd will be from 1 gemini to 1 cancer,

etc. In

> > this system, portions of two signs can exist in one house, but

all

> > signs are represented (no intercepted signs, regardless of

latitude

> > of birthplace)

> >

> > c) using sripathi paddhati (unequal house) which uses the lagna

and

> > dasham sphuta and derives the remaining houses, by adding 180

> > degrees (opposite houses) and trisecting the lagna~tenth arc. It

is

> > therefore is a kind of averaging system. With very high

latitudes

> > (UK, Sweden, etc), a few signs may not rise at all and so there

will

> > be intercepted signs which have no mention as far as I know in

> > jyotish.

> >

> > d) some of the newer systems, notably KP has used Placidius

house

> > systems and moved drastically away from the lagna at house mid

> > concept of jyotish. In jyotish, the house mid is the strongest

point

> > of influence, while house cusp is the weakest. In western and

those

> > following similar house systems, the cusp is the beginning and

the

> > strongest point in a house.

> >

> > To the best of my information, the planets are not modified or

> > touched, just the house cusps adjusted depending on whether one

> > wants to use the whole sign, equal house or unequal houses.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "monmuk111"

> > <monmuk111> wrote:

> > > Hello Mr. Ranjan:

> > >

> > > How many degrees does the Chalit chart move to the next rashi

as

> > > compared to Janma chart?

> > >

> > > I think we need to add ONE degree to the planet in each rashi,

> > i.e.

> > > if Sun is in Taurus at 29.9 degrees, in the Chalit chart, Sun

will

> > be

> > > 1 degree Gemini.

> > >

> > > Am I thinking correctly? Thanks.

> > >

> > > Mukund

> > >

> > > , "rohiniranjan"

> > <rrgb@s...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Bhava or chalit chart is a confusing and confused item in

modern

> > > > jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > Simply stated, the zodiac is divided into 12 segments. If

you

> > like

> > > > pizza or pie, it is like taking a pizza and dividing it into

12

> > > > equal slices. The slice with the red hot red pepper is

aries,

> > the

> > > > one with the hawaiian pineaple is taurus, the one that looks

oh

> > so

> > > > symmetrical is gemini, the juicy, watery one next to it is

> > cancer,

> > > > the one that kind of rises a bit higher than the rest is

leo,

> > the

> > > > one with neatly arranged pieces of fruits, vegetables (no

meat

> > in

> > > > this slice you will note) is virgo, the one that has fuzzy

edges

> > > but

> > > > still looks nice and beautiful is libra, the one with all

that

> > red

> > > > meat and kind of scary looking is scorpio, the next one that

> > hardly

> > > > looks like pizza is sagittarius, and then the funny looking

> > > smallish

> > > > but really quite potent darkish slice is capricorn, then

comes

> > the

> > > > largish one right next to the glass of juice or soft drink

and

> > > > seemingly large enough to feed the entire table is aquarius

and

> > > > finally we get to the last piece which is hiding but not

quite,

> > and

> > > > you have no idea what it is going to taste like or what

> > surprises

> > > it

> > > > holds, is pisces!

> > > >

> > > > That is the cosmic chalit or cosmic bhavas. Some call it by

the

> > dry

> > > > (jyotish can be very very dry if you have been hanging out

at

> > some

> > > > of the lists!) name of whole house system. Kind of like

whole

> > wheat

> > > > bread -- healthy piece and all, but really!

> > > >

> > > > Or you can take the virgin pizza (the sky undivided) and

because

> > > you

> > > > are looking at it from an angle from the earth and not

viewing

> > it

> > > as

> > > > a circle or sphere but as an ellipse sort of (some slices

could

> > be

> > > > larger than others but all are really equal and equally

> > > nutritious!)

> > > > and divide it so that the cuts match your viewpoint. You

then

> > end

> > > up

> > > > with the unequal house divisions, or more colourfully, the

pizza

> > > > that you can see and control from the earth (geocentric

view).

> > > > However, the problem with this view is that the pizza was

not

> > > cooked

> > > > properly and is not flat, so it is kind of curved and

floppy, so

> > > > some of the 12 slices do not even show up, particularly if

you

> > go

> > > > too far north and try to look at it. This is how Sripathi

and

> > > > Alcabitus and Porphyrii viewed it (since I have had no pizza

for

> > a

> > > > few days, I could be mixing up the names!). However, they

were

> > too

> > > > hungry so to get to the pizza quickly, they divided it

hastily

> > and

> > > > averaged and approximated those divisions. But then came the

> > anal

> > > > scientist types, the morinuses and Regiomontanuses, and

> > Campanuses

> > > > and so on and they had better knowledge of spherical

> > trigonometry

> > > > (really just a fancy way of cutting the damned pizza into 12

or

> > so

> > > > slices so that everyone gets a nice equitable slice) and so

on.

> > > >

> > > > Jyotishis being a practical crowd, did not wait that long.

They

> > > went

> > > > for the whole house or recently the equal division for most

of

> > > their

> > > > work and relegated the sripati slices (averaging) for

shadbala

> > > > determination, which is for many jyotishis, like: which

sauce

> > will

> > > > you prefer? (we order all three but eat the pizza without

the

> > > sauce,

> > > > anyway! We like the raw, native taste without sauces and

> > curries,

> > > > unless it is vindaloo, or shall I say VINDALOO!!).

> > > >

> > > > Most jyotishis, even the ones that don't admit, for most of

> > their

> > > > delineations, use just the whole house systems (one rashi

per

> > > house:

> > > > planet in 1 d or 29.9d aries is in aries and if aries is

rising,

> > > > then the planet is in 1st house). Others who plan to eat

rice, a

> > > > curry and a favorite condiment (obviously much much) after

the

> > > pizza

> > > > (just in case -- who wants to wake up at 2 AM hungry and

prowl

> > > > around the kitchen to the peril of one's annamaya kosha

> > > particularly

> > > > if married or living with the one who baked or ordered the

pizza

> > in

> > > > the first place!) -- hedge their bets and go with the whole

sign

> > > for

> > > > analysis and sripati for shadbala partly for convenience and

> > partly

> > > > because what they are after is that full feeling in

> > the 'stomach'

> > > > that ensures peaceful slumber!

> > > >

> > > > I think, I will now take a pizza break, if you friends do

not

> > mind!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Sreekumar Ambalath

> > > > <skumar_astro> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Learned Members ,

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the significance of Bhava Chart ? When

will

> > you

> > > > use Bhava Chart and When will you use Rasi Chart

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks ,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreekumar

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more

fun!

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that very interesting explanation! I think fractals could also be

a good metaphor. I am still not clear on how the planets change signs,

though. I get the idea of each sign having the zodiac inside it, so to

speak. But isn't it still true that if Saturn is in Leo in Rashi, it is

still in Leo in the navamsha? The zodiacs-within-zodiac view at best says

that Saturn is *also* in sign X, when signs are considered to have a

fractal nature.

 

The astronomy of the fractal view is quite unclear as well. But I also

think we don't know enough about astronomy to judge that.

 

Thanks also to Nandini for the link!

 

Ram

 

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> The metaphor that comes to mind is that of a hologram. Each hologram

> as I understand is made of pieces each of which are whole (hence

> hologram). The metaphor should not continue (or someone will ask:

> how about strength? Each fragment of the hologram is weaker in

> intensity than the whole? I think in jyotish the smaller fragments

> are probably stronger or at least more specific to a certain area).

>

> So think of the zodiac as the hologram. It has 12 flavours of

> expression, pepper, french vanilla icecream (which I just simply

> love to death, on a hot humid day!), methi, milk, saffron, wheat,

> etc etc). Each of these flavours then have within them depictions of

> the same flavours. In the navamsha arrangement, for instance, the 12

> flavours are distributed over a sign and a quarter (9 navamshas in

> one sign and remaining 3 in the next). In standard dreshkana, the

> pieces of hologram are arranged in a trinal pattern, flavours, 2,3,4

> skipped, then flavour 6,7,8 skipped, and so on), in dwadashamsha,

> the situation is more 'in phase' since each segment of hologram

> contains all the segments and so on. I am not going to go into the

> signficiances of the arrangements here, but encourage you to think

> about those ...!

>

> Hope this helps.

>

>

> , "vargottama"

> <vargottama> wrote:

> > Rohiniji,

> >

> > Thanks for the interesting explanation of bhavas. Here is a very

> basic

> > issue I have never managed to get my head around:

> >

> > If a planet is in a sign in the rasi chart, how does it change its

> sign in

> > the navamsa chart? As I understand it, the navamsa involves a

> finer cutting

> > of the pizza, making 9 pieces out of each slice(sign). If a planet

> is in a

> > slice/sign in the Rasi chart, how does cutting the slice lead to

> it

> > changing its sign?

> >

> > Hope you will be able to come up with a metaphor that would help

> me with

> > this!

> >

> > Ram

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > Mukund,

> > >

> > > Chalit, as I learned is basically a generic term for bhava

> > > chart. 'Jyotishis' generally use three bhava charts

> > > a) using whole sign as bhava (all signs represented, one per

> house

> > > starting with lagna rashi which constitutes the first house, the

> > > next rashi 2nd house and so on (I know you know this, but just

> in

> > > case a beginner is also reading this post)

> > >

> > > b) using equal sign houses. In this case the first bhava extends

> > > from lagna sphuta/spashta minus 15 degrees to lagna plus 15

> degrees.

> > > For example if lagna is taurus 16, then first bhava will extend

> from

> > > 1 taurus to 1 gemini, 2nd will be from 1 gemini to 1 cancer,

> etc. In

> > > this system, portions of two signs can exist in one house, but

> all

> > > signs are represented (no intercepted signs, regardless of

> latitude

> > > of birthplace)

> > >

> > > c) using sripathi paddhati (unequal house) which uses the lagna

> and

> > > dasham sphuta and derives the remaining houses, by adding 180

> > > degrees (opposite houses) and trisecting the lagna~tenth arc. It

> is

> > > therefore is a kind of averaging system. With very high

> latitudes

> > > (UK, Sweden, etc), a few signs may not rise at all and so there

> will

> > > be intercepted signs which have no mention as far as I know in

> > > jyotish.

> > >

> > > d) some of the newer systems, notably KP has used Placidius

> house

> > > systems and moved drastically away from the lagna at house mid

> > > concept of jyotish. In jyotish, the house mid is the strongest

> point

> > > of influence, while house cusp is the weakest. In western and

> those

> > > following similar house systems, the cusp is the beginning and

> the

> > > strongest point in a house.

> > >

> > > To the best of my information, the planets are not modified or

> > > touched, just the house cusps adjusted depending on whether one

> > > wants to use the whole sign, equal house or unequal houses.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "monmuk111"

> > > <monmuk111> wrote:

> > > > Hello Mr. Ranjan:

> > > >

> > > > How many degrees does the Chalit chart move to the next rashi

> as

> > > > compared to Janma chart?

> > > >

> > > > I think we need to add ONE degree to the planet in each rashi,

> > > i.e.

> > > > if Sun is in Taurus at 29.9 degrees, in the Chalit chart, Sun

> will

> > > be

> > > > 1 degree Gemini.

> > > >

> > > > Am I thinking correctly? Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > Mukund

> > > >

> > > > , "rohiniranjan"

> > > <rrgb@s...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Bhava or chalit chart is a confusing and confused item in

> modern

> > > > > jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > Simply stated, the zodiac is divided into 12 segments. If

> you

> > > like

> > > > > pizza or pie, it is like taking a pizza and dividing it into

> 12

> > > > > equal slices. The slice with the red hot red pepper is

> aries,

> > > the

> > > > > one with the hawaiian pineaple is taurus, the one that looks

> oh

> > > so

> > > > > symmetrical is gemini, the juicy, watery one next to it is

> > > cancer,

> > > > > the one that kind of rises a bit higher than the rest is

> leo,

> > > the

> > > > > one with neatly arranged pieces of fruits, vegetables (no

> meat

> > > in

> > > > > this slice you will note) is virgo, the one that has fuzzy

> edges

> > > > but

> > > > > still looks nice and beautiful is libra, the one with all

> that

> > > red

> > > > > meat and kind of scary looking is scorpio, the next one that

> > > hardly

> > > > > looks like pizza is sagittarius, and then the funny looking

> > > > smallish

> > > > > but really quite potent darkish slice is capricorn, then

> comes

> > > the

> > > > > largish one right next to the glass of juice or soft drink

> and

> > > > > seemingly large enough to feed the entire table is aquarius

> and

> > > > > finally we get to the last piece which is hiding but not

> quite,

> > > and

> > > > > you have no idea what it is going to taste like or what

> > > surprises

> > > > it

> > > > > holds, is pisces!

> > > > >

> > > > > That is the cosmic chalit or cosmic bhavas. Some call it by

> the

> > > dry

> > > > > (jyotish can be very very dry if you have been hanging out

> at

> > > some

> > > > > of the lists!) name of whole house system. Kind of like

> whole

> > > wheat

> > > > > bread -- healthy piece and all, but really!

> > > > >

> > > > > Or you can take the virgin pizza (the sky undivided) and

> because

> > > > you

> > > > > are looking at it from an angle from the earth and not

> viewing

> > > it

> > > > as

> > > > > a circle or sphere but as an ellipse sort of (some slices

> could

> > > be

> > > > > larger than others but all are really equal and equally

> > > > nutritious!)

> > > > > and divide it so that the cuts match your viewpoint. You

> then

> > > end

> > > > up

> > > > > with the unequal house divisions, or more colourfully, the

> pizza

> > > > > that you can see and control from the earth (geocentric

> view).

> > > > > However, the problem with this view is that the pizza was

> not

> > > > cooked

> > > > > properly and is not flat, so it is kind of curved and

> floppy, so

> > > > > some of the 12 slices do not even show up, particularly if

> you

> > > go

> > > > > too far north and try to look at it. This is how Sripathi

> and

> > > > > Alcabitus and Porphyrii viewed it (since I have had no pizza

> for

> > > a

> > > > > few days, I could be mixing up the names!). However, they

> were

> > > too

> > > > > hungry so to get to the pizza quickly, they divided it

> hastily

> > > and

> > > > > averaged and approximated those divisions. But then came the

> > > anal

> > > > > scientist types, the morinuses and Regiomontanuses, and

> > > Campanuses

> > > > > and so on and they had better knowledge of spherical

> > > trigonometry

> > > > > (really just a fancy way of cutting the damned pizza into 12

> or

> > > so

> > > > > slices so that everyone gets a nice equitable slice) and so

> on.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jyotishis being a practical crowd, did not wait that long.

> They

> > > > went

> > > > > for the whole house or recently the equal division for most

> of

> > > > their

> > > > > work and relegated the sripati slices (averaging) for

> shadbala

> > > > > determination, which is for many jyotishis, like: which

> sauce

> > > will

> > > > > you prefer? (we order all three but eat the pizza without

> the

> > > > sauce,

> > > > > anyway! We like the raw, native taste without sauces and

> > > curries,

> > > > > unless it is vindaloo, or shall I say VINDALOO!!).

> > > > >

> > > > > Most jyotishis, even the ones that don't admit, for most of

> > > their

> > > > > delineations, use just the whole house systems (one rashi

> per

> > > > house:

> > > > > planet in 1 d or 29.9d aries is in aries and if aries is

> rising,

> > > > > then the planet is in 1st house). Others who plan to eat

> rice, a

> > > > > curry and a favorite condiment (obviously much much) after

> the

> > > > pizza

> > > > > (just in case -- who wants to wake up at 2 AM hungry and

> prowl

> > > > > around the kitchen to the peril of one's annamaya kosha

> > > > particularly

> > > > > if married or living with the one who baked or ordered the

> pizza

> > > in

> > > > > the first place!) -- hedge their bets and go with the whole

> sign

> > > > for

> > > > > analysis and sripati for shadbala partly for convenience and

> > > partly

> > > > > because what they are after is that full feeling in

> > > the 'stomach'

> > > > > that ensures peaceful slumber!

> > > > >

> > > > > I think, I will now take a pizza break, if you friends do

> not

> > > mind!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Sreekumar Ambalath

> > > > > <skumar_astro> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Learned Members ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What is the significance of Bhava Chart ? When

> will

> > > you

> > > > > use Bhava Chart and When will you use Rasi Chart

> > > > > >

> > > > > > thanks ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sreekumar

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more

> fun!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

If I understand you correctly, you are taking each varga in an

exclusive sense, however, it is obviously a situation of overlap.

The planet in leo in rashi varga could be in taurus navamsha. It

would contain both signatures, leo rashi and taurus navamsha (and

other varga signatures). Bepin Behari has shown it in the form of a

table where you can look up a planet's varga personalities (so to

speak) based on the longitude. Another way of looking at it is that

this particular planet would probably express more of its 'taurean'

signature in matters primarily considered in a navamsha chart

(marriage, etc). However, this must be applied cautiously and

judiciously. For instance, let us say you have a good look-up table

of effects of planets in certain rashis. The same results cannot be

automatically expected if the planet are in navamshas bearing the

similar rashis.

 

This pattern of overlapping influences is also seen in the

nakshatras where subdivisions of nakshatras represent replicas of

sequence followed by nakshatras (this is used in KP).

 

A human being behaves in different ways and may be seen as having

different personae in different fields of life, as a friend, as a

father, as a husband, as a lover, as a worker, as a boss -- the same

person will show different shades of personalities, attributes.

Similarly a planet will have slightly different expressions (sign

attributes) in its different roles, in vargas.

 

I do not clearly follow what you intended to say in your para about

astronomy and fractals.

 

Sign attributes in any vargas are not absolute, as you can see in

the different classics which describe slightly different attributes.

I will leave it at that, for this kind of discussion forum.

 

RR

 

 

 

 

, "vargottama"

<vargottama> wrote:

> Thanks for that very interesting explanation! I think fractals

could also be

> a good metaphor. I am still not clear on how the planets change

signs,

> though. I get the idea of each sign having the zodiac inside it,

so to

> speak. But isn't it still true that if Saturn is in Leo in Rashi,

it is

> still in Leo in the navamsha? The zodiacs-within-zodiac view at

best says

> that Saturn is *also* in sign X, when signs are considered to have

a

> fractal nature.

>

> The astronomy of the fractal view is quite unclear as well. But I

also

> think we don't know enough about astronomy to judge that.

>

> Thanks also to Nandini for the link!

>

> Ram

>

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > The metaphor that comes to mind is that of a hologram. Each

hologram

> > as I understand is made of pieces each of which are whole (hence

> > hologram). The metaphor should not continue (or someone will

ask:

> > how about strength? Each fragment of the hologram is weaker in

> > intensity than the whole? I think in jyotish the smaller

fragments

> > are probably stronger or at least more specific to a certain

area).

> >

> > So think of the zodiac as the hologram. It has 12 flavours of

> > expression, pepper, french vanilla icecream (which I just simply

> > love to death, on a hot humid day!), methi, milk, saffron,

wheat,

> > etc etc). Each of these flavours then have within them

depictions of

> > the same flavours. In the navamsha arrangement, for instance,

the 12

> > flavours are distributed over a sign and a quarter (9 navamshas

in

> > one sign and remaining 3 in the next). In standard dreshkana,

the

> > pieces of hologram are arranged in a trinal pattern, flavours,

2,3,4

> > skipped, then flavour 6,7,8 skipped, and so on), in

dwadashamsha,

> > the situation is more 'in phase' since each segment of hologram

> > contains all the segments and so on. I am not going to go into

the

> > signficiances of the arrangements here, but encourage you to

think

> > about those ...!

> >

> > Hope this helps.

> >

> >

> > , "vargottama"

> > <vargottama> wrote:

> > > Rohiniji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for the interesting explanation of bhavas. Here is a

very

> > basic

> > > issue I have never managed to get my head around:

> > >

> > > If a planet is in a sign in the rasi chart, how does it change

its

> > sign in

> > > the navamsa chart? As I understand it, the navamsa involves a

> > finer cutting

> > > of the pizza, making 9 pieces out of each slice(sign). If a

planet

> > is in a

> > > slice/sign in the Rasi chart, how does cutting the slice lead

to

> > it

> > > changing its sign?

> > >

> > > Hope you will be able to come up with a metaphor that would

help

> > me with

> > > this!

> > >

> > > Ram

> > >

> > > , "rohiniranjan"

> > <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > Mukund,

> > > >

> > > > Chalit, as I learned is basically a generic term for bhava

> > > > chart. 'Jyotishis' generally use three bhava charts

> > > > a) using whole sign as bhava (all signs represented, one per

> > house

> > > > starting with lagna rashi which constitutes the first house,

the

> > > > next rashi 2nd house and so on (I know you know this, but

just

> > in

> > > > case a beginner is also reading this post)

> > > >

> > > > b) using equal sign houses. In this case the first bhava

extends

> > > > from lagna sphuta/spashta minus 15 degrees to lagna plus 15

> > degrees.

> > > > For example if lagna is taurus 16, then first bhava will

extend

> > from

> > > > 1 taurus to 1 gemini, 2nd will be from 1 gemini to 1 cancer,

> > etc. In

> > > > this system, portions of two signs can exist in one house,

but

> > all

> > > > signs are represented (no intercepted signs, regardless of

> > latitude

> > > > of birthplace)

> > > >

> > > > c) using sripathi paddhati (unequal house) which uses the

lagna

> > and

> > > > dasham sphuta and derives the remaining houses, by adding

180

> > > > degrees (opposite houses) and trisecting the lagna~tenth

arc. It

> > is

> > > > therefore is a kind of averaging system. With very high

> > latitudes

> > > > (UK, Sweden, etc), a few signs may not rise at all and so

there

> > will

> > > > be intercepted signs which have no mention as far as I know

in

> > > > jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > d) some of the newer systems, notably KP has used Placidius

> > house

> > > > systems and moved drastically away from the lagna at house

mid

> > > > concept of jyotish. In jyotish, the house mid is the

strongest

> > point

> > > > of influence, while house cusp is the weakest. In western

and

> > those

> > > > following similar house systems, the cusp is the beginning

and

> > the

> > > > strongest point in a house.

> > > >

> > > > To the best of my information, the planets are not modified

or

> > > > touched, just the house cusps adjusted depending on whether

one

> > > > wants to use the whole sign, equal house or unequal houses.

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "monmuk111"

> > > > <monmuk111> wrote:

> > > > > Hello Mr. Ranjan:

> > > > >

> > > > > How many degrees does the Chalit chart move to the next

rashi

> > as

> > > > > compared to Janma chart?

> > > > >

> > > > > I think we need to add ONE degree to the planet in each

rashi,

> > > > i.e.

> > > > > if Sun is in Taurus at 29.9 degrees, in the Chalit chart,

Sun

> > will

> > > > be

> > > > > 1 degree Gemini.

> > > > >

> > > > > Am I thinking correctly? Thanks.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mukund

> > > > >

> > > > > , "rohiniranjan"

> > > > <rrgb@s...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Bhava or chalit chart is a confusing and confused item

in

> > modern

> > > > > > jyotish.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Simply stated, the zodiac is divided into 12 segments.

If

> > you

> > > > like

> > > > > > pizza or pie, it is like taking a pizza and dividing it

into

> > 12

> > > > > > equal slices. The slice with the red hot red pepper is

> > aries,

> > > > the

> > > > > > one with the hawaiian pineaple is taurus, the one that

looks

> > oh

> > > > so

> > > > > > symmetrical is gemini, the juicy, watery one next to it

is

> > > > cancer,

> > > > > > the one that kind of rises a bit higher than the rest is

> > leo,

> > > > the

> > > > > > one with neatly arranged pieces of fruits, vegetables

(no

> > meat

> > > > in

> > > > > > this slice you will note) is virgo, the one that has

fuzzy

> > edges

> > > > > but

> > > > > > still looks nice and beautiful is libra, the one with

all

> > that

> > > > red

> > > > > > meat and kind of scary looking is scorpio, the next one

that

> > > > hardly

> > > > > > looks like pizza is sagittarius, and then the funny

looking

> > > > > smallish

> > > > > > but really quite potent darkish slice is capricorn, then

> > comes

> > > > the

> > > > > > largish one right next to the glass of juice or soft

drink

> > and

> > > > > > seemingly large enough to feed the entire table is

aquarius

> > and

> > > > > > finally we get to the last piece which is hiding but not

> > quite,

> > > > and

> > > > > > you have no idea what it is going to taste like or what

> > > > surprises

> > > > > it

> > > > > > holds, is pisces!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That is the cosmic chalit or cosmic bhavas. Some call it

by

> > the

> > > > dry

> > > > > > (jyotish can be very very dry if you have been hanging

out

> > at

> > > > some

> > > > > > of the lists!) name of whole house system. Kind of like

> > whole

> > > > wheat

> > > > > > bread -- healthy piece and all, but really!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Or you can take the virgin pizza (the sky undivided) and

> > because

> > > > > you

> > > > > > are looking at it from an angle from the earth and not

> > viewing

> > > > it

> > > > > as

> > > > > > a circle or sphere but as an ellipse sort of (some

slices

> > could

> > > > be

> > > > > > larger than others but all are really equal and equally

> > > > > nutritious!)

> > > > > > and divide it so that the cuts match your viewpoint. You

> > then

> > > > end

> > > > > up

> > > > > > with the unequal house divisions, or more colourfully,

the

> > pizza

> > > > > > that you can see and control from the earth (geocentric

> > view).

> > > > > > However, the problem with this view is that the pizza

was

> > not

> > > > > cooked

> > > > > > properly and is not flat, so it is kind of curved and

> > floppy, so

> > > > > > some of the 12 slices do not even show up, particularly

if

> > you

> > > > go

> > > > > > too far north and try to look at it. This is how

Sripathi

> > and

> > > > > > Alcabitus and Porphyrii viewed it (since I have had no

pizza

> > for

> > > > a

> > > > > > few days, I could be mixing up the names!). However,

they

> > were

> > > > too

> > > > > > hungry so to get to the pizza quickly, they divided it

> > hastily

> > > > and

> > > > > > averaged and approximated those divisions. But then came

the

> > > > anal

> > > > > > scientist types, the morinuses and Regiomontanuses, and

> > > > Campanuses

> > > > > > and so on and they had better knowledge of spherical

> > > > trigonometry

> > > > > > (really just a fancy way of cutting the damned pizza

into 12

> > or

> > > > so

> > > > > > slices so that everyone gets a nice equitable slice) and

so

> > on.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jyotishis being a practical crowd, did not wait that

long.

> > They

> > > > > went

> > > > > > for the whole house or recently the equal division for

most

> > of

> > > > > their

> > > > > > work and relegated the sripati slices (averaging) for

> > shadbala

> > > > > > determination, which is for many jyotishis, like: which

> > sauce

> > > > will

> > > > > > you prefer? (we order all three but eat the pizza

without

> > the

> > > > > sauce,

> > > > > > anyway! We like the raw, native taste without sauces and

> > > > curries,

> > > > > > unless it is vindaloo, or shall I say VINDALOO!!).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Most jyotishis, even the ones that don't admit, for most

of

> > > > their

> > > > > > delineations, use just the whole house systems (one

rashi

> > per

> > > > > house:

> > > > > > planet in 1 d or 29.9d aries is in aries and if aries is

> > rising,

> > > > > > then the planet is in 1st house). Others who plan to eat

> > rice, a

> > > > > > curry and a favorite condiment (obviously much much)

after

> > the

> > > > > pizza

> > > > > > (just in case -- who wants to wake up at 2 AM hungry and

> > prowl

> > > > > > around the kitchen to the peril of one's annamaya kosha

> > > > > particularly

> > > > > > if married or living with the one who baked or ordered

the

> > pizza

> > > > in

> > > > > > the first place!) -- hedge their bets and go with the

whole

> > sign

> > > > > for

> > > > > > analysis and sripati for shadbala partly for convenience

and

> > > > partly

> > > > > > because what they are after is that full feeling in

> > > > the 'stomach'

> > > > > > that ensures peaceful slumber!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think, I will now take a pizza break, if you friends

do

> > not

> > > > mind!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Sreekumar

Ambalath

> > > > > > <skumar_astro> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Learned Members ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is the significance of Bhava Chart ? When

> > will

> > > > you

> > > > > > use Bhava Chart and When will you use Rasi Chart

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sreekumar

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even

more

> > fun!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >