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This essay shows the role of astrology [Vedic Astrology] in our lives. This is

long but if you read it taking time, it might be a good use of your time!

 

 

Life is not fair

 

Truly and honestly, when we observe people's lives around us, we feel it

needed to acknowledge that life is not fair. I have repeatedly seen that

complete innocent people suffer for no reason and people doing all sort of

unfair and immoral activities enjoy all sort of happiness. Is this fair? I have

seen one's wife who has been proved to be most loving and faithful leaves him

and his children for another man and how the husband destroys him little by

little after that, and it is very difficult to believe such events even after

they happen in life. It would be a lot more difficult to believe if it happens

to you or to someone close to you. You will question yourself, "What did I do?

Why this had to happen to me? Why this punishment?" You will often wonder if you

are in an endless dream which is seeming to be real, because the reality would

be too cruel to be believed. It will lead you to the condition where you will

seriously start to doubt if there exists someone called God at all. Because if

God is really there, how can he tolerate all these unfairness and punish people

for nothing? I have seen a few people getting religiously inclined for the pains

life has given them, but they are very few in number. Most people lose all their

potentials and destroy themselves little by little when they are continuously

hurt over and over. Committing suicides and getting in to drugs are what we see,

but we often fail to see the destruction going inside.

 

Even before getting in to Jyotish I have dealt extensively with people's

lives, and that always led me to the impression that what in general we know and

believe about life, destiny and God is not true, can never be true. There are

some serious incorrect information about the things we are taught from our

boyhood, like pray to God he will listen to you, do good things God will be kind

towards you, etc. etc. Good deeds are not rewarded the way we expect nor bad

deeds are punished right away. I have dealt with a large number of human lives

and saw that most of the times the innocent people are the victims of the

misfortune and problems. This world is full of unfairness and full of cruelty.

This world is a very bad place and everyone is so selfish. All sort of unfair

things are possible to happen in anyone's life.

 

In my life a few of the prayers were answered by the God but a lot were

unanswered same time, including the most intense and serious prayers and pleas

to him that I submitted waking all nights with long and tiring worships.

Surprisingly, all those subjects of prayers took a route of most miserable ends

with the course of time.

 

And observing all these, I always felt that there is something, some

truth, some facts about destiny and life-mechanism that we never know. There is

a hidden system that works behind all these things happen to us. It responds to

each and every act we perform, but it does not respond the way we expect, but

has it's own system and nature of responding to us. Only those who can knowingly

or unknowingly tune up or adjust with this system are happy and others are

unhappy, does not matter how innocent or how qualified they are.

 

I know that many people would not agree to me and would call this world

to be a beautiful place. I do not declare them to be wrong. Because, people

believe what they experience. Some believe life to be fair because unfair things

did not happen to them that much. And they are lucky that is why nothing wrong

happened to them. I have always seen that being rich, happy or successful does

not prove your qualification or innocence but it just proves your fortune.

Because it has been my constant experience from people's lives that without

fortune one is not rewarded for his qualification nor for his goodness as a

human being. That is why when I think of one's life, I see it as a person

driving a car through a highway. Simply how good you drive, you can never assure

that you would not be caught down with an accident because accidents do happen

for others' faults where we have nothing to do than just taking part in it or

just being present in it. Similarly in life sometimes we do nothing wrong but

for others' mistake we fall the victim of condition and have to pay, and we find

no ways to get out of these. Oppositely sometimes we get a lot more rewards than

we actually deserve.

 

All these confusions of me only found true and practically effective

answers when I got in to Jyotish and started to realize how life works.

Basically, Jyotish is the set of rules that operate our lives. God had to make a

lot of rules when creating this universe. As an example he set the gravity for

which anything falls in to the ground. The earth pulls us toward it, the sun

pulls the earth and other planets toward it. When we press our hand in to a

wall, it gets obstructed by the wall and does not pass through it instead. When

the temperature can be lowered then the water would turn in to ice... there are

innumerable laws of up on which the creation is getting maintained. We are

discovering and controlling these more and more with science. But actually there

are a lot more 'laws of nature' that physics etc. can not reach or explain.

Those rules can not be proved by scientific theories but only by observing lives

they prove true. Those are the rules that operate our lives. And the set of

those rules is called Jyotish. And in Hinduism it has been described the same,

when Lord Brahma created this universe then he received the knowledge of the

material creation from Lord Vishnu a part of which was Jyotish or Vedic

Astrology. Vedic Astrology was not discovered or developed by people or

scientists but just was received from the God, who created this universe and

told us the rules of this universe. And if you study even a little of Jyotish

you will see that it's nature and structure is something like that what can not

be developed by human effort.

 

When we realize this fact and also apply Jyotish theories to our lives

then we see whatever is happening to our lives are happening as per the

horoscopes of us i.e. the Jyotish. Then it answers all sort of questions and

confusions I talked about. It answers that God is not unfair, nor he is cruel to

make you suffer, but you are just experiencing everything according to the karma

you have performed in your past births. It shows that God is not bothering to

punish you but he has set a complete set of rules over your head and each of the

events happens to you for you perform a particular action to make the event

happen. It is like the echo, the sound you make, it reflects accordingly up on

you. However this echo does not reflect as we generally expect it to do, such as

work hard and you will be rich, study hard so that you do good in studies, and

so on. Because we see that working hard can not always make someone rich nor

studying hard ensures a good grade in your exams. (As I said, most unfair things

happen.) And so these things happen as per the karma or destiny you have been

carrying from the previous births. In general they do not happen for what you

are doing now, and the exception is performing remedial measure, when you know

what sort of action is going to react in which way, and then you do accordingly.

It is not engaging 'worldly efforts' to get something done that often fail, but

it is about working with the mechanism and the core rules. Because you know the

basic rules and know what sort of action will carry what sort of reaction from

the nature, since you know the rules of creation. And when you start realizing

this, you will see that trying with worldly efforts is like blind efforts,

because that might be or might not be fruitful, (depending upon the horoscope,

that shows the destiny most of the times.) but when you work as per the rule of

nature or creation, you get it done.

 

However the observation that worldly efforts often work is also true,

but only partial. Worldly or material effort would mean the efforts we generally

make, like going to see the doctor when we have a health problem, etc. Actually,

the fact is that, going to doctor is actually an excuse the planets are making

the incident happen. It is a way or medium the work is getting done. More

elaborated, with serious misplacement of planets, a person would not have even

the money or scope to visit the doctor. A better planetary position, he would

visit the doctor but still health problem remains. A normal position, he visits

the doctor and gets his solution. Much better, his health problem goes away from

it's own even before he visits a doctor. The best position - he does not have

any health problem. (In a particular time only, because all of us would fall in

to health problems more or less in our lives. But, how frequently and seriously

the health troubles would occur would be caused by the horoscope.)

 

Thus an experienced astrologer who deeply watches lives would see that

actually it is the planets making the person undertake different worldly efforts

to solve his problems. It is the strength of evil planets verses the strength

and placement of beneficent planets which would decide how and when the problem

would be solved and also how easily. As I explained with the example of visiting

the doctor concerning a health issue.

 

Jyotish explains how the nature responds to each of your actions in a

particular way, according to a set of rules. As I said, many of my serious

prayers were not accepted and those subjects took a shape of miserable ends at

last. There is nothing to blame God for not listening to me, nor to blame the

people who acted to 'materialize' the events in this world, nor my prayer was

insincere or anything. Because when I consult my horoscope, it clearly and

prominently shows those areas of life worsening in the exact time periods when

it happened in real. So actually it is not that the God did not listen to me,

but the things just happened the way they were supposed to happen, and also in

the exact time frame. Also, I see that the results of my successful prayers were

also to happen as per my horoscope. So not my prayers granted them for me. So it

all shows that prayers etc. is not going to affect the life but whatever is to

happen would happen. By simple prayers and other good deeds we can not get

something done. But there are systematic keys to all these. As an example a

password protected file in your PC would need the exact password to open it and

does not matter whatever you do, it would not open. Even deleting the file

itself is not the answer. Similarly in our life each and every problem needs a

password, a specific action to be done to solve it. Otherwise whatever you do,

it would not work because it just needs the correct answer, or step of action to

get it accomplished. And a good knowledge in Jyotish or Vedic Astrology tells us

a lot of passwords to open many files i.e., solve many of our problems.

Otherwise even deleting the file itself, or a suicide is no solution.

 

As per Hinduism, God has given us Jyotish to deal with the life, karma

and destiny and this is just the set of rules controlling our lives. God knows

them the best and not us. So we should follow his path. The manufacturers of

your PC knows the best how to operate it and take care of it, you must follow

their instructions to operate it.

 

Jyotish answers such questions why people act so cruel to you sometimes.

It shows us the divine miracle that each of us act in a very planned and

controlled way to build the destiny as it was planned. You will surprisingly

notice that whatever had to happen to you as per your horoscope is exactly

happening, and to make them happen in the planned way, the people around you are

behaving in a complete planned way! Your fate is composed by the activities of

people related to or around you, and their action and reaction about you is just

what is indicated in your chart. That is why when a 'have been faithful wife'

leaves you being most unbelievably cruel and showing dramatic infidelity, you

will actually see that both your horoscopes indicated something like that in

that time! Thus whatever we do is planned and is used to make the destiny of us

and people around us. In other words if you are killed then it is just your

destiny to be killed and you need a person in your life who will kill you. And

the person who will kill you carries a destiny to kill someone and he needs

someone in his life to kill. So you play a role in his life by being his victim

and he plays a role in your life by killing you. And these two events in your

horoscopes are set to happen on the same day same time, and so you meet and the

conditions runs to that stage to make it possible!

 

It's all about playing different roles in each other's lives, and that

is why in Hinduism it has been said that this Samsara (life in world) is

actually a drama or role playing, we play roles in each others lives and learn

our lessons this way. That is why we really do not do anything but we are made

do all the things. So basically and truly, you really can not blame anyone for

whatever they did to you, all you can blame is your destiny or fate! That is why

we often say stuff like, "Even such a nice person like him did this to me, this

is all my fate!" And this is very true. The agents of karma, the nine planets

make people do all the things to you, as either reward or punishment. That is

why even a most faithful wife can do most immoral act, but actually it is not

her fault, but both your destiny say so through your horoscopes. That is why the

sages and enlightened personages like the saints never blame anyone for

anything, nor they hate anyone or get angry at anyone ever, because they all see

it clearly that it is not our fault. And though many of us see it, but can not

act as per it, being limited with maya and illusions, and the desire toward all

happiness and joy etc. That is the difference between them and us. They practice

non attachment while we attach ourselves more and more to this race of greed and

meanness.

 

That is why, how much cruel or unfair someone behaves to you, or the

whole world behaves cruel to you - no point to blame them or there is even no

benefit to do so. If your horoscope says being cheated then you can really not

blame anyone and even dealing with most honest people will result being cheated,

even he might not do it intentionally. So there is no benefit blaming anyone or

doing anything unless you focus upon the central cause, or the central system

administrating all these in a particular way. And that you can do only through

Jyotish. When you will look at your horoscope you will be definitely seeing the

problems were to happen, and then you will see the actual cause for this, i.e.

the agents of karma who do all these, and then when you will put effort in the

'real way' i.e. performing Jyotish remedies, you will see how easily and

surprisingly the problems get easier or sometimes even get completely wiped off.

And it all will happen in a way that you will understand the changes started

taking place after you did the remedies, i.e. the positive events happened for

the remedies and if you did not perform them, they would not have been happened

so. You will surprisingly observe how people's reaction and behaviour to you

changes surprisingly. For misfortune a most honest person can unintentionally

end up cheating on you and for remedies you will rather see a most wicked sort

of person is going fine with you. For remedies, you will see how easy everything

becomes to you to handle. And then success and happiness will seem easy to you,

and you will realize one ultimate truth that though a person works with

qualification, he can not get his reward unless the nature responds to him.

 

There is a saying that only losers and failures believe in fate. In

practical I have seen it to be true to some degree. Because only an unsuccessful

person who actually deserves to be successful sees and realizes how fate and

destiny weighs him down all the times. Doing everything in the right way he can

not get his goal and only then he realizes the truth. On the other hand the

nature responds to each action of a successful person that is why it all seems

to be easy to him and he 'perceives' that he is doing all these by his effort,

but actually it is the nature to decide to who's effort it will respond. That is

why sorrow, pains, problems, difficulties can teach us so much true lessons and

facts that happiness and joy can never do. And that is why sorrow, difficulties,

pains are all ruled by the eighth house in astrology which also does rule the

ultimate truth and also spirituality and loneliness. That is why most of the

spiritual people have achieved the ultimate spiritual realizations through

pains, grief, loneliness etc. This is just a mere example how facts around us

are astrologically justified.

 

 

 

What can not happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

 

Tanvir Chowdhury

Cellular: +88 0189407202

Mail: lord_narayana

Website: http://www.jyotish-remedies.com

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Dear Tanvir Ji,

 

It is so true. I'm hurt every day by a person who means so much to

me.I keep thinking Why is it me? What have I done to deserve it? I

have not hurt anybody in my life.Yet I'm put through this

suffering.Also feel God is not doing enough justice to me.Past One

year I have seen and experienced hell. Is it my karma or my planets?

You have explained it well. A good and informative posting. Thanks.

 

 

Regards,

Uma

 

, "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

wrote:

> This essay shows the role of astrology [Vedic Astrology] in our

lives. This is long but if you read it taking time, it might be a

good use of your time!

>

>

> Life is not fair

>

> Truly and honestly, when we observe people's lives around

us, we feel it needed to acknowledge that life is not fair. I have

repeatedly seen that complete innocent people suffer for no reason

and people doing all sort of unfair and immoral activities enjoy all

sort of happiness. Is this fair? I have seen one's wife who has been

proved to be most loving and faithful leaves him and his children for

another man and how the husband destroys him little by little after

that, and it is very difficult to believe such events even after they

happen in life. It would be a lot more difficult to believe if it

happens to you or to someone close to you. You will question

yourself, "What did I do? Why this had to happen to me? Why this

punishment?" You will often wonder if you are in an endless dream

which is seeming to be real, because the reality would be too cruel

to be believed. It will lead you to the condition where you will

seriously start to doubt if there exists someone called God at all.

Because if God is really there, how can he tolerate all these

unfairness and punish people for nothing? I have seen a few people

getting religiously inclined for the pains life has given them, but

they are very few in number. Most people lose all their potentials

and destroy themselves little by little when they are continuously

hurt over and over. Committing suicides and getting in to drugs are

what we see, but we often fail to see the destruction going inside.

>

> Even before getting in to Jyotish I have dealt extensively

with people's lives, and that always led me to the impression that

what in general we know and believe about life, destiny and God is

not true, can never be true. There are some serious incorrect

information about the things we are taught from our boyhood, like

pray to God he will listen to you, do good things God will be kind

towards you, etc. etc. Good deeds are not rewarded the way we expect

nor bad deeds are punished right away. I have dealt with a large

number of human lives and saw that most of the times the innocent

people are the victims of the misfortune and problems. This world is

full of unfairness and full of cruelty. This world is a very bad

place and everyone is so selfish. All sort of unfair things are

possible to happen in anyone's life.

>

> In my life a few of the prayers were answered by the God

but a lot were unanswered same time, including the most intense and

serious prayers and pleas to him that I submitted waking all nights

with long and tiring worships. Surprisingly, all those subjects of

prayers took a route of most miserable ends with the course of time.

>

> And observing all these, I always felt that there is

something, some truth, some facts about destiny and life-mechanism

that we never know. There is a hidden system that works behind all

these things happen to us. It responds to each and every act we

perform, but it does not respond the way we expect, but has it's own

system and nature of responding to us. Only those who can knowingly

or unknowingly tune up or adjust with this system are happy and

others are unhappy, does not matter how innocent or how qualified

they are.

>

> I know that many people would not agree to me and would

call this world to be a beautiful place. I do not declare them to be

wrong. Because, people believe what they experience. Some believe

life to be fair because unfair things did not happen to them that

much. And they are lucky that is why nothing wrong happened to them.

I have always seen that being rich, happy or successful does not

prove your qualification or innocence but it just proves your

fortune. Because it has been my constant experience from people's

lives that without fortune one is not rewarded for his qualification

nor for his goodness as a human being. That is why when I think of

one's life, I see it as a person driving a car through a highway.

Simply how good you drive, you can never assure that you would not be

caught down with an accident because accidents do happen for others'

faults where we have nothing to do than just taking part in it or

just being present in it. Similarly in life sometimes we do nothing

wrong but for others' mistake we fall the victim of condition and

have to pay, and we find no ways to get out of these. Oppositely

sometimes we get a lot more rewards than we actually deserve.

>

> All these confusions of me only found true and practically

effective answers when I got in to Jyotish and started to realize how

life works. Basically, Jyotish is the set of rules that operate our

lives. God had to make a lot of rules when creating this universe. As

an example he set the gravity for which anything falls in to the

ground. The earth pulls us toward it, the sun pulls the earth and

other planets toward it. When we press our hand in to a wall, it gets

obstructed by the wall and does not pass through it instead. When the

temperature can be lowered then the water would turn in to ice...

there are innumerable laws of up on which the creation is getting

maintained. We are discovering and controlling these more and more

with science. But actually there are a lot more 'laws of nature' that

physics etc. can not reach or explain. Those rules can not be proved

by scientific theories but only by observing lives they prove true.

Those are the rules that operate our lives. And the set of those

rules is called Jyotish. And in Hinduism it has been described the

same, when Lord Brahma created this universe then he received the

knowledge of the material creation from Lord Vishnu a part of which

was Jyotish or Vedic Astrology. Vedic Astrology was not discovered or

developed by people or scientists but just was received from the God,

who created this universe and told us the rules of this universe. And

if you study even a little of Jyotish you will see that it's nature

and structure is something like that what can not be developed by

human effort.

>

> When we realize this fact and also apply Jyotish theories

to our lives then we see whatever is happening to our lives are

happening as per the horoscopes of us i.e. the Jyotish. Then it

answers all sort of questions and confusions I talked about. It

answers that God is not unfair, nor he is cruel to make you suffer,

but you are just experiencing everything according to the karma you

have performed in your past births. It shows that God is not

bothering to punish you but he has set a complete set of rules over

your head and each of the events happens to you for you perform a

particular action to make the event happen. It is like the echo, the

sound you make, it reflects accordingly up on you. However this echo

does not reflect as we generally expect it to do, such as work hard

and you will be rich, study hard so that you do good in studies, and

so on. Because we see that working hard can not always make someone

rich nor studying hard ensures a good grade in your exams. (As I

said, most unfair things happen.) And so these things happen as per

the karma or destiny you have been carrying from the previous births.

In general they do not happen for what you are doing now, and the

exception is performing remedial measure, when you know what sort of

action is going to react in which way, and then you do accordingly.

It is not engaging 'worldly efforts' to get something done that often

fail, but it is about working with the mechanism and the core rules.

Because you know the basic rules and know what sort of action will

carry what sort of reaction from the nature, since you know the rules

of creation. And when you start realizing this, you will see that

trying with worldly efforts is like blind efforts, because that might

be or might not be fruitful, (depending upon the horoscope, that

shows the destiny most of the times.) but when you work as per the

rule of nature or creation, you get it done.

>

> However the observation that worldly efforts often work is

also true, but only partial. Worldly or material effort would mean

the efforts we generally make, like going to see the doctor when we

have a health problem, etc. Actually, the fact is that, going to

doctor is actually an excuse the planets are making the incident

happen. It is a way or medium the work is getting done. More

elaborated, with serious misplacement of planets, a person would not

have even the money or scope to visit the doctor. A better planetary

position, he would visit the doctor but still health problem remains.

A normal position, he visits the doctor and gets his solution. Much

better, his health problem goes away from it's own even before he

visits a doctor. The best position - he does not have any health

problem. (In a particular time only, because all of us would fall in

to health problems more or less in our lives. But, how frequently and

seriously the health troubles would occur would be caused by the

horoscope.)

>

> Thus an experienced astrologer who deeply watches lives

would see that actually it is the planets making the person undertake

different worldly efforts to solve his problems. It is the strength

of evil planets verses the strength and placement of beneficent

planets which would decide how and when the problem would be solved

and also how easily. As I explained with the example of visiting the

doctor concerning a health issue.

>

> Jyotish explains how the nature responds to each of your

actions in a particular way, according to a set of rules. As I said,

many of my serious prayers were not accepted and those subjects took

a shape of miserable ends at last. There is nothing to blame God for

not listening to me, nor to blame the people who acted

to 'materialize' the events in this world, nor my prayer was

insincere or anything. Because when I consult my horoscope, it

clearly and prominently shows those areas of life worsening in the

exact time periods when it happened in real. So actually it is not

that the God did not listen to me, but the things just happened the

way they were supposed to happen, and also in the exact time frame.

Also, I see that the results of my successful prayers were also to

happen as per my horoscope. So not my prayers granted them for me. So

it all shows that prayers etc. is not going to affect the life but

whatever is to happen would happen. By simple prayers and other good

deeds we can not get something done. But there are systematic keys to

all these. As an example a password protected file in your PC would

need the exact password to open it and does not matter whatever you

do, it would not open. Even deleting the file itself is not the

answer. Similarly in our life each and every problem needs a

password, a specific action to be done to solve it. Otherwise

whatever you do, it would not work because it just needs the correct

answer, or step of action to get it accomplished. And a good

knowledge in Jyotish or Vedic Astrology tells us a lot of passwords

to open many files i.e., solve many of our problems. Otherwise even

deleting the file itself, or a suicide is no solution.

>

> As per Hinduism, God has given us Jyotish to deal with the

life, karma and destiny and this is just the set of rules controlling

our lives. God knows them the best and not us. So we should follow

his path. The manufacturers of your PC knows the best how to operate

it and take care of it, you must follow their instructions to operate

it.

>

> Jyotish answers such questions why people act so cruel to

you sometimes. It shows us the divine miracle that each of us act in

a very planned and controlled way to build the destiny as it was

planned. You will surprisingly notice that whatever had to happen to

you as per your horoscope is exactly happening, and to make them

happen in the planned way, the people around you are behaving in a

complete planned way! Your fate is composed by the activities of

people related to or around you, and their action and reaction about

you is just what is indicated in your chart. That is why when a 'have

been faithful wife' leaves you being most unbelievably cruel and

showing dramatic infidelity, you will actually see that both your

horoscopes indicated something like that in that time! Thus whatever

we do is planned and is used to make the destiny of us and people

around us. In other words if you are killed then it is just your

destiny to be killed and you need a person in your life who will kill

you. And the person who will kill you carries a destiny to kill

someone and he needs someone in his life to kill. So you play a role

in his life by being his victim and he plays a role in your life by

killing you. And these two events in your horoscopes are set to

happen on the same day same time, and so you meet and the conditions

runs to that stage to make it possible!

>

> It's all about playing different roles in each other's

lives, and that is why in Hinduism it has been said that this Samsara

(life in world) is actually a drama or role playing, we play roles in

each others lives and learn our lessons this way. That is why we

really do not do anything but we are made do all the things. So

basically and truly, you really can not blame anyone for whatever

they did to you, all you can blame is your destiny or fate! That is

why we often say stuff like, "Even such a nice person like him did

this to me, this is all my fate!" And this is very true. The agents

of karma, the nine planets make people do all the things to you, as

either reward or punishment. That is why even a most faithful wife

can do most immoral act, but actually it is not her fault, but both

your destiny say so through your horoscopes. That is why the sages

and enlightened personages like the saints never blame anyone for

anything, nor they hate anyone or get angry at anyone ever, because

they all see it clearly that it is not our fault. And though many of

us see it, but can not act as per it, being limited with maya and

illusions, and the desire toward all happiness and joy etc. That is

the difference between them and us. They practice non attachment

while we attach ourselves more and more to this race of greed and

meanness.

>

> That is why, how much cruel or unfair someone behaves to

you, or the whole world behaves cruel to you - no point to blame them

or there is even no benefit to do so. If your horoscope says being

cheated then you can really not blame anyone and even dealing with

most honest people will result being cheated, even he might not do it

intentionally. So there is no benefit blaming anyone or doing

anything unless you focus upon the central cause, or the central

system administrating all these in a particular way. And that you can

do only through Jyotish. When you will look at your horoscope you

will be definitely seeing the problems were to happen, and then you

will see the actual cause for this, i.e. the agents of karma who do

all these, and then when you will put effort in the 'real way' i.e.

performing Jyotish remedies, you will see how easily and surprisingly

the problems get easier or sometimes even get completely wiped off.

And it all will happen in a way that you will understand the changes

started taking place after you did the remedies, i.e. the positive

events happened for the remedies and if you did not perform them,

they would not have been happened so. You will surprisingly observe

how people's reaction and behaviour to you changes surprisingly. For

misfortune a most honest person can unintentionally end up cheating

on you and for remedies you will rather see a most wicked sort of

person is going fine with you. For remedies, you will see how easy

everything becomes to you to handle. And then success and happiness

will seem easy to you, and you will realize one ultimate truth that

though a person works with qualification, he can not get his reward

unless the nature responds to him.

>

> There is a saying that only losers and failures believe in

fate. In practical I have seen it to be true to some degree. Because

only an unsuccessful person who actually deserves to be successful

sees and realizes how fate and destiny weighs him down all the times.

Doing everything in the right way he can not get his goal and only

then he realizes the truth. On the other hand the nature responds to

each action of a successful person that is why it all seems to be

easy to him and he 'perceives' that he is doing all these by his

effort, but actually it is the nature to decide to who's effort it

will respond. That is why sorrow, pains, problems, difficulties can

teach us so much true lessons and facts that happiness and joy can

never do. And that is why sorrow, difficulties, pains are all ruled

by the eighth house in astrology which also does rule the ultimate

truth and also spirituality and loneliness. That is why most of the

spiritual people have achieved the ultimate spiritual realizations

through pains, grief, loneliness etc. This is just a mere example how

facts around us are astrologically justified.

>

>

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> Tanvir Chowdhury

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Dear Tanvir JI:

 

Hats off to you.

 

You seemed to have put life in a few paragraphs.

 

When life seems to be endlessly meaningless, someone like you, who is

god sent comes to remind us.

 

thanks again, for wonderful work.

 

Rajesh

 

, "umapus" <umapus> wrote:

> Dear Tanvir Ji,

>

> It is so true. I'm hurt every day by a person who means so much to

> me.I keep thinking Why is it me? What have I done to deserve it? I

> have not hurt anybody in my life.Yet I'm put through this

> suffering.Also feel God is not doing enough justice to me.Past One

> year I have seen and experienced hell. Is it my karma or my planets?

> You have explained it well. A good and informative posting. Thanks.

>

>

> Regards,

> Uma

>

> , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

> wrote:

> > This essay shows the role of astrology [Vedic Astrology] in our

> lives. This is long but if you read it taking time, it might be a

> good use of your time!

> >

> >

> > Life is not fair

> >

> > Truly and honestly, when we observe people's lives around

> us, we feel it needed to acknowledge that life is not fair. I have

> repeatedly seen that complete innocent people suffer for no reason

> and people doing all sort of unfair and immoral activities enjoy

all

> sort of happiness. Is this fair? I have seen one's wife who has

been

> proved to be most loving and faithful leaves him and his children

for

> another man and how the husband destroys him little by little after

> that, and it is very difficult to believe such events even after

they

> happen in life. It would be a lot more difficult to believe if it

> happens to you or to someone close to you. You will question

> yourself, "What did I do? Why this had to happen to me? Why this

> punishment?" You will often wonder if you are in an endless dream

> which is seeming to be real, because the reality would be too cruel

> to be believed. It will lead you to the condition where you will

> seriously start to doubt if there exists someone called God at all.

> Because if God is really there, how can he tolerate all these

> unfairness and punish people for nothing? I have seen a few people

> getting religiously inclined for the pains life has given them, but

> they are very few in number. Most people lose all their potentials

> and destroy themselves little by little when they are continuously

> hurt over and over. Committing suicides and getting in to drugs are

> what we see, but we often fail to see the destruction going inside.

> >

> > Even before getting in to Jyotish I have dealt

extensively

> with people's lives, and that always led me to the impression that

> what in general we know and believe about life, destiny and God is

> not true, can never be true. There are some serious incorrect

> information about the things we are taught from our boyhood, like

> pray to God he will listen to you, do good things God will be kind

> towards you, etc. etc. Good deeds are not rewarded the way we

expect

> nor bad deeds are punished right away. I have dealt with a large

> number of human lives and saw that most of the times the innocent

> people are the victims of the misfortune and problems. This world

is

> full of unfairness and full of cruelty. This world is a very bad

> place and everyone is so selfish. All sort of unfair things are

> possible to happen in anyone's life.

> >

> > In my life a few of the prayers were answered by the God

> but a lot were unanswered same time, including the most intense and

> serious prayers and pleas to him that I submitted waking all nights

> with long and tiring worships. Surprisingly, all those subjects of

> prayers took a route of most miserable ends with the course of time.

> >

> > And observing all these, I always felt that there is

> something, some truth, some facts about destiny and life-mechanism

> that we never know. There is a hidden system that works behind all

> these things happen to us. It responds to each and every act we

> perform, but it does not respond the way we expect, but has it's

own

> system and nature of responding to us. Only those who can knowingly

> or unknowingly tune up or adjust with this system are happy and

> others are unhappy, does not matter how innocent or how qualified

> they are.

> >

> > I know that many people would not agree to me and would

> call this world to be a beautiful place. I do not declare them to

be

> wrong. Because, people believe what they experience. Some believe

> life to be fair because unfair things did not happen to them that

> much. And they are lucky that is why nothing wrong happened to

them.

> I have always seen that being rich, happy or successful does not

> prove your qualification or innocence but it just proves your

> fortune. Because it has been my constant experience from people's

> lives that without fortune one is not rewarded for his

qualification

> nor for his goodness as a human being. That is why when I think of

> one's life, I see it as a person driving a car through a highway.

> Simply how good you drive, you can never assure that you would not

be

> caught down with an accident because accidents do happen for

others'

> faults where we have nothing to do than just taking part in it or

> just being present in it. Similarly in life sometimes we do nothing

> wrong but for others' mistake we fall the victim of condition and

> have to pay, and we find no ways to get out of these. Oppositely

> sometimes we get a lot more rewards than we actually deserve.

> >

> > All these confusions of me only found true and

practically

> effective answers when I got in to Jyotish and started to realize

how

> life works. Basically, Jyotish is the set of rules that operate our

> lives. God had to make a lot of rules when creating this universe.

As

> an example he set the gravity for which anything falls in to the

> ground. The earth pulls us toward it, the sun pulls the earth and

> other planets toward it. When we press our hand in to a wall, it

gets

> obstructed by the wall and does not pass through it instead. When

the

> temperature can be lowered then the water would turn in to ice...

> there are innumerable laws of up on which the creation is getting

> maintained. We are discovering and controlling these more and more

> with science. But actually there are a lot more 'laws of nature'

that

> physics etc. can not reach or explain. Those rules can not be

proved

> by scientific theories but only by observing lives they prove true.

> Those are the rules that operate our lives. And the set of those

> rules is called Jyotish. And in Hinduism it has been described the

> same, when Lord Brahma created this universe then he received the

> knowledge of the material creation from Lord Vishnu a part of which

> was Jyotish or Vedic Astrology. Vedic Astrology was not discovered

or

> developed by people or scientists but just was received from the

God,

> who created this universe and told us the rules of this universe.

And

> if you study even a little of Jyotish you will see that it's nature

> and structure is something like that what can not be developed by

> human effort.

> >

> > When we realize this fact and also apply Jyotish theories

> to our lives then we see whatever is happening to our lives are

> happening as per the horoscopes of us i.e. the Jyotish. Then it

> answers all sort of questions and confusions I talked about. It

> answers that God is not unfair, nor he is cruel to make you suffer,

> but you are just experiencing everything according to the karma you

> have performed in your past births. It shows that God is not

> bothering to punish you but he has set a complete set of rules over

> your head and each of the events happens to you for you perform a

> particular action to make the event happen. It is like the echo,

the

> sound you make, it reflects accordingly up on you. However this

echo

> does not reflect as we generally expect it to do, such as work hard

> and you will be rich, study hard so that you do good in studies,

and

> so on. Because we see that working hard can not always make someone

> rich nor studying hard ensures a good grade in your exams. (As I

> said, most unfair things happen.) And so these things happen as per

> the karma or destiny you have been carrying from the previous

births.

> In general they do not happen for what you are doing now, and the

> exception is performing remedial measure, when you know what sort

of

> action is going to react in which way, and then you do accordingly.

> It is not engaging 'worldly efforts' to get something done that

often

> fail, but it is about working with the mechanism and the core

rules.

> Because you know the basic rules and know what sort of action will

> carry what sort of reaction from the nature, since you know the

rules

> of creation. And when you start realizing this, you will see that

> trying with worldly efforts is like blind efforts, because that

might

> be or might not be fruitful, (depending upon the horoscope, that

> shows the destiny most of the times.) but when you work as per the

> rule of nature or creation, you get it done.

> >

> > However the observation that worldly efforts often work

is

> also true, but only partial. Worldly or material effort would mean

> the efforts we generally make, like going to see the doctor when we

> have a health problem, etc. Actually, the fact is that, going to

> doctor is actually an excuse the planets are making the incident

> happen. It is a way or medium the work is getting done. More

> elaborated, with serious misplacement of planets, a person would

not

> have even the money or scope to visit the doctor. A better

planetary

> position, he would visit the doctor but still health problem

remains.

> A normal position, he visits the doctor and gets his solution. Much

> better, his health problem goes away from it's own even before he

> visits a doctor. The best position - he does not have any health

> problem. (In a particular time only, because all of us would fall

in

> to health problems more or less in our lives. But, how frequently

and

> seriously the health troubles would occur would be caused by the

> horoscope.)

> >

> > Thus an experienced astrologer who deeply watches lives

> would see that actually it is the planets making the person

undertake

> different worldly efforts to solve his problems. It is the strength

> of evil planets verses the strength and placement of beneficent

> planets which would decide how and when the problem would be solved

> and also how easily. As I explained with the example of visiting

the

> doctor concerning a health issue.

> >

> > Jyotish explains how the nature responds to each of your

> actions in a particular way, according to a set of rules. As I

said,

> many of my serious prayers were not accepted and those subjects

took

> a shape of miserable ends at last. There is nothing to blame God

for

> not listening to me, nor to blame the people who acted

> to 'materialize' the events in this world, nor my prayer was

> insincere or anything. Because when I consult my horoscope, it

> clearly and prominently shows those areas of life worsening in the

> exact time periods when it happened in real. So actually it is not

> that the God did not listen to me, but the things just happened the

> way they were supposed to happen, and also in the exact time frame.

> Also, I see that the results of my successful prayers were also to

> happen as per my horoscope. So not my prayers granted them for me.

So

> it all shows that prayers etc. is not going to affect the life but

> whatever is to happen would happen. By simple prayers and other

good

> deeds we can not get something done. But there are systematic keys

to

> all these. As an example a password protected file in your PC would

> need the exact password to open it and does not matter whatever you

> do, it would not open. Even deleting the file itself is not the

> answer. Similarly in our life each and every problem needs a

> password, a specific action to be done to solve it. Otherwise

> whatever you do, it would not work because it just needs the

correct

> answer, or step of action to get it accomplished. And a good

> knowledge in Jyotish or Vedic Astrology tells us a lot of passwords

> to open many files i.e., solve many of our problems. Otherwise even

> deleting the file itself, or a suicide is no solution.

> >

> > As per Hinduism, God has given us Jyotish to deal with

the

> life, karma and destiny and this is just the set of rules

controlling

> our lives. God knows them the best and not us. So we should follow

> his path. The manufacturers of your PC knows the best how to

operate

> it and take care of it, you must follow their instructions to

operate

> it.

> >

> > Jyotish answers such questions why people act so cruel to

> you sometimes. It shows us the divine miracle that each of us act

in

> a very planned and controlled way to build the destiny as it was

> planned. You will surprisingly notice that whatever had to happen

to

> you as per your horoscope is exactly happening, and to make them

> happen in the planned way, the people around you are behaving in a

> complete planned way! Your fate is composed by the activities of

> people related to or around you, and their action and reaction

about

> you is just what is indicated in your chart. That is why when

a 'have

> been faithful wife' leaves you being most unbelievably cruel and

> showing dramatic infidelity, you will actually see that both your

> horoscopes indicated something like that in that time! Thus

whatever

> we do is planned and is used to make the destiny of us and people

> around us. In other words if you are killed then it is just your

> destiny to be killed and you need a person in your life who will

kill

> you. And the person who will kill you carries a destiny to kill

> someone and he needs someone in his life to kill. So you play a

role

> in his life by being his victim and he plays a role in your life by

> killing you. And these two events in your horoscopes are set to

> happen on the same day same time, and so you meet and the

conditions

> runs to that stage to make it possible!

> >

> > It's all about playing different roles in each other's

> lives, and that is why in Hinduism it has been said that this

Samsara

> (life in world) is actually a drama or role playing, we play roles

in

> each others lives and learn our lessons this way. That is why we

> really do not do anything but we are made do all the things. So

> basically and truly, you really can not blame anyone for whatever

> they did to you, all you can blame is your destiny or fate! That is

> why we often say stuff like, "Even such a nice person like him did

> this to me, this is all my fate!" And this is very true. The agents

> of karma, the nine planets make people do all the things to you, as

> either reward or punishment. That is why even a most faithful wife

> can do most immoral act, but actually it is not her fault, but both

> your destiny say so through your horoscopes. That is why the sages

> and enlightened personages like the saints never blame anyone for

> anything, nor they hate anyone or get angry at anyone ever, because

> they all see it clearly that it is not our fault. And though many

of

> us see it, but can not act as per it, being limited with maya and

> illusions, and the desire toward all happiness and joy etc. That is

> the difference between them and us. They practice non attachment

> while we attach ourselves more and more to this race of greed and

> meanness.

> >

> > That is why, how much cruel or unfair someone behaves to

> you, or the whole world behaves cruel to you - no point to blame

them

> or there is even no benefit to do so. If your horoscope says being

> cheated then you can really not blame anyone and even dealing with

> most honest people will result being cheated, even he might not do

it

> intentionally. So there is no benefit blaming anyone or doing

> anything unless you focus upon the central cause, or the central

> system administrating all these in a particular way. And that you

can

> do only through Jyotish. When you will look at your horoscope you

> will be definitely seeing the problems were to happen, and then you

> will see the actual cause for this, i.e. the agents of karma who do

> all these, and then when you will put effort in the 'real way' i.e.

> performing Jyotish remedies, you will see how easily and

surprisingly

> the problems get easier or sometimes even get completely wiped off.

> And it all will happen in a way that you will understand the

changes

> started taking place after you did the remedies, i.e. the positive

> events happened for the remedies and if you did not perform them,

> they would not have been happened so. You will surprisingly observe

> how people's reaction and behaviour to you changes surprisingly.

For

> misfortune a most honest person can unintentionally end up cheating

> on you and for remedies you will rather see a most wicked sort of

> person is going fine with you. For remedies, you will see how easy

> everything becomes to you to handle. And then success and happiness

> will seem easy to you, and you will realize one ultimate truth that

> though a person works with qualification, he can not get his reward

> unless the nature responds to him.

> >

> > There is a saying that only losers and failures believe

in

> fate. In practical I have seen it to be true to some degree.

Because

> only an unsuccessful person who actually deserves to be successful

> sees and realizes how fate and destiny weighs him down all the

times.

> Doing everything in the right way he can not get his goal and only

> then he realizes the truth. On the other hand the nature responds

to

> each action of a successful person that is why it all seems to be

> easy to him and he 'perceives' that he is doing all these by his

> effort, but actually it is the nature to decide to who's effort it

> will respond. That is why sorrow, pains, problems, difficulties can

> teach us so much true lessons and facts that happiness and joy can

> never do. And that is why sorrow, difficulties, pains are all ruled

> by the eighth house in astrology which also does rule the ultimate

> truth and also spirituality and loneliness. That is why most of the

> spiritual people have achieved the ultimate spiritual realizations

> through pains, grief, loneliness etc. This is just a mere example

how

> facts around us are astrologically justified.

> >

> >

> >

> > What can not happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > Tanvir Chowdhury

> > Cellular: +88 0189407202

> > Mail: lord_narayana@l...

> > Website: http://www.jyotish-remedies.com

> > Forum:

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Its a beautiful article to show you rself standing

in front of the mirror describing the whole story of

ones life as decided by the planets. What learned

people believe is--- To be born in this world is

itself a misfortune.

Brijesh

--- Tanvir <ultimate wrote:

 

> This essay shows the role of astrology [Vedic

> Astrology] in our lives. This is long but if you

> read it taking time, it might be a good use of your

> time!

>

>

> Life is not fair

>

> Truly and honestly, when we observe people's

> lives around us, we feel it needed to acknowledge

> that life is not fair. I have repeatedly seen that

> complete innocent people suffer for no reason and

> people doing all sort of unfair and immoral

> activities enjoy all sort of happiness. Is this

> fair? I have seen one's wife who has been proved to

> be most loving and faithful leaves him and his

> children for another man and how the husband

> destroys him little by little after that, and it is

> very difficult to believe such events even after

> they happen in life. It would be a lot more

> difficult to believe if it happens to you or to

> someone close to you. You will question yourself,

> "What did I do? Why this had to happen to me? Why

> this punishment?" You will often wonder if you are

> in an endless dream which is seeming to be real,

> because the reality would be too cruel to be

> believed. It will lead you to the condition where

> you will seriously start to doubt if there exists

> someone called God at all. Because if God is really

> there, how can he tolerate all these unfairness and

> punish people for nothing? I have seen a few people

> getting religiously inclined for the pains life has

> given them, but they are very few in number. Most

> people lose all their potentials and destroy

> themselves little by little when they are

> continuously hurt over and over. Committing suicides

> and getting in to drugs are what we see, but we

> often fail to see the destruction going inside.

>

> Even before getting in to Jyotish I have

> dealt extensively with people's lives, and that

> always led me to the impression that what in general

> we know and believe about life, destiny and God is

> not true, can never be true. There are some serious

> incorrect information about the things we are taught

> from our boyhood, like pray to God he will listen to

> you, do good things God will be kind towards you,

> etc. etc. Good deeds are not rewarded the way we

> expect nor bad deeds are punished right away. I have

> dealt with a large number of human lives and saw

> that most of the times the innocent people are the

> victims of the misfortune and problems. This world

> is full of unfairness and full of cruelty. This

> world is a very bad place and everyone is so

> selfish. All sort of unfair things are possible to

> happen in anyone's life.

>

> In my life a few of the prayers were

> answered by the God but a lot were unanswered same

> time, including the most intense and serious prayers

> and pleas to him that I submitted waking all nights

> with long and tiring worships. Surprisingly, all

> those subjects of prayers took a route of most

> miserable ends with the course of time.

>

> And observing all these, I always felt that

> there is something, some truth, some facts about

> destiny and life-mechanism that we never know. There

> is a hidden system that works behind all these

> things happen to us. It responds to each and every

> act we perform, but it does not respond the way we

> expect, but has it's own system and nature of

> responding to us. Only those who can knowingly or

> unknowingly tune up or adjust with this system are

> happy and others are unhappy, does not matter how

> innocent or how qualified they are.

>

> I know that many people would not agree to

> me and would call this world to be a beautiful

> place. I do not declare them to be wrong. Because,

> people believe what they experience. Some believe

> life to be fair because unfair things did not happen

> to them that much. And they are lucky that is why

> nothing wrong happened to them. I have always seen

> that being rich, happy or successful does not prove

> your qualification or innocence but it just proves

> your fortune. Because it has been my constant

> experience from people's lives that without fortune

> one is not rewarded for his qualification nor for

> his goodness as a human being. That is why when I

> think of one's life, I see it as a person driving a

> car through a highway. Simply how good you drive,

> you can never assure that you would not be caught

> down with an accident because accidents do happen

> for others' faults where we have nothing to do than

> just taking part in it or just being present in it.

> Similarly in life sometimes we do nothing wrong but

> for others' mistake we fall the victim of condition

> and have to pay, and we find no ways to get out of

> these. Oppositely sometimes we get a lot more

> rewards than we actually deserve.

>

> All these confusions of me only found true

> and practically effective answers when I got in to

> Jyotish and started to realize how life works.

> Basically, Jyotish is the set of rules that operate

> our lives. God had to make a lot of rules when

> creating this universe. As an example he set the

> gravity for which anything falls in to the ground.

> The earth pulls us toward it, the sun pulls the

> earth and other planets toward it. When we press our

> hand in to a wall, it gets obstructed by the wall

> and does not pass through it instead. When the

> temperature can be lowered then the water would turn

> in to ice... there are innumerable laws of up on

> which the creation is getting maintained. We are

> discovering and controlling these more and more with

> science. But actually there are a lot more 'laws of

> nature' that physics etc. can not reach or explain.

> Those rules can not be proved by scientific theories

> but only by observing lives they prove true. Those

> are the rules that operate our lives. And the set of

> those rules is called Jyotish. And in Hinduism it

> has been described the same, when Lord Brahma

> created this universe then he received the knowledge

> of the material creation from Lord Vishnu a part of

> which was Jyotish or Vedic Astrology. Vedic

> Astrology was not discovered or developed by people

> or scientists but just was received from the God,

> who created this universe and told us the rules of

> this universe. And if you study even a little of

> Jyotish you will see that it's nature and structure

> is something like that what can not be developed by

> human effort.

>

> When we realize this fact and also apply

> Jyotish theories to our lives then we see whatever

> is happening to our lives are happening as per the

> horoscopes of us i.e. the Jyotish. Then it answers

> all sort of questions and confusions I talked about.

> It answers that God is not unfair, nor he is cruel

> to make you suffer, but you are just experiencing

> everything according to the karma you have performed

> in your past births. It shows that God is not

> bothering to punish you but he has set a complete

> set of rules over your head and each of the events

> happens to you for you perform a particular action

> to make the event happen. It is like the echo, the

> sound you make, it reflects accordingly up on you.

> However this echo does not reflect as we generally

> expect it to do, such as work hard and you will be

> rich, study hard so that you do good in studies, and

> so on. Because we see that working hard can not

> always make someone rich nor studying hard ensures a

> good grade in your exams. (As I said, most unfair

> things happen.) And so these things happen as per

> the karma or destiny you have been carrying from the

> previous births. In general they do not happen for

> what you are doing now, and the exception is

> performing remedial measure, when you know what sort

> of action is going to react in which way, and then

> you do accordingly. It is not engaging 'worldly

> efforts' to get something done that often fail, but

> it is about working with the mechanism and the core

> rules. Because you know the basic rules and know

> what sort of action will carry what sort of reaction

> from the nature, since you know the rules of

> creation. And when you start realizing this, you

> will see that trying with worldly efforts is like

> blind efforts, because that might be or might not be

> fruitful, (depending upon the horoscope, that shows

> the destiny most of the times.) but when you work as

> per the rule of nature or creation, you get it done.

>

> However the observation that worldly efforts

> often work is also true, but only partial. Worldly

> or material effort would mean the efforts we

> generally make, like going to see the doctor when we

> have a health problem, etc. Actually, the fact is

> that, going to doctor is actually an excuse the

> planets are making the incident happen. It is a way

> or medium the work is getting done. More elaborated,

> with serious misplacement of planets, a person would

> not have even the money or scope to visit the

> doctor. A better planetary position, he would visit

> the doctor but still health problem remains. A

> normal position, he visits the doctor and gets his

> solution. Much better, his health problem goes away

> from it's own even before he visits a doctor. The

> best position - he does not have any health problem.

> (In a particular time only, because all of us would

> fall in to health problems more or less in our

> lives. But, how frequently and seriously the health

> troubles would occur would be caused by the

> horoscope.)

>

> Thus an experienced astrologer who deeply

> watches lives would see that actually it is the

> planets making the person undertake different

> worldly efforts to solve his problems. It is the

> strength of evil planets verses the strength and

> placement

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, "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

wrote:

> If I am correct then Lord Krishna said that we have no authority

over the Karma Phal but authority over the Karma only. But, did he

say not to BELIEVE in Karma, or did he say not to believe in Karma

Phal ? [As Manoshi Di ?]

>

>

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> Tanvir Chowdhury

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>

> -

> rohiniranjan

>

> Saturday, September 25, 2004 7:35 AM

> Re: Life is not fair---Surya

>

>

> In Gita, Lord Shri Krishna said that karma and not phal is what

one

> must focus on. So, your path is certainly ideal (karma and not

karma-

> phal) however, for most ordinary people, efforts rarely become

doable

> without a goal or phal. How many have really ever studied

something

> just for the heck of it and without goals such as 'knowing'

> or "occupational promises" etc in mind?

>

> So, realistically, there will most often be some visions of the

phal

> that would motivate us to do the hard work (karma). And, there is

> nothing wrong with having a phal in mind while doing karma,

because,

> the real important thing is doing karma and continuing to do

karma.

> If phal becomes the incentive, sure it is not the ideal way, but

> better than inactivity!

>

> RR

>

>

>

>

> , "Manoshi Chatterjee"

> <khallopapa> wrote:

> > well Surya, I believe in Karnma but not karma phal.for an

example,

> > if you prepare well for your exams you GENERALLY or are

supposed to

> > get good marks but if the papers are lost or and your result is

> > withheld or you fail then is it your past karma phal....? So I

> > belive in "do your karma, dont think of the results."

> > I dont believe in past life or rebirth but who knows what is

there

> > in future for me, as RR said experince can change a persons

> > outlook :-)

> >

> > --Manoshi

> > , surya vishnubhotla

> > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > Inder,

> > >

> > > I am not sure if you remember, but I asked the same

> > > question a couple of months ago .. different issue

> > > that no one answered !

> > >

> > > Well, as I kept pondering, one thought came to my mind

> > > .. there are millions of other species which are

> > > correspondingly being reduced with increase in human

> > > population ... can this be one point to think about?

> > >

> > > Manoshi !! .. if you accept karma u have to accept

> > > rebirth .. you cant accept karma and not accept

> > > rebirth because in one single life you dont experience

> > > all that you should be experiencing by your actions ..

> > >

> > >

> > > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear friends,

> > > >

> > > > We see how beautifully Astrology depicts major

> > > > course of our life.

> > > > We live as per our destiny.In good times every thing

> > > > goes right and

> > > > you get every thing. When you are running a bad

> > > > period , even your

> > > > best friends would cause some harm to you and you

> > > > are physically and

> > > > emotionally drained. We can see this through

> > > > Astrolgy.

> > > >

> > > > But the things which comes to my mind again and

> > > > again is whether the

> > > > theory of Karma [our fortune or misfortune are the

> > > > results of our

> > > > actions in previous births] is authentic or bogus.

> > > >

> > > > Human population has grown from one billion to six

> > > > billion in last

> > > > 100 years. That means about 500 billions first time

> > > > created

> > > > indivisuals without any merits/demerits accrued from

> > > > the past.

> > > > How traditional theory of Karma applicable to them

> > > > ?!

> > > >

> > > > I feel that Divine creates each of us by random. In

> > > > the expanding

> > > > universe small particles like our lives are created

> > > > with some random

> > > > selection. There may be some rules/nature/divinity

> > > > in such

> > > > randomness but it should not be law of Karma.

> > > >

> > > > Manoshi must be right in saying that we have to

> > > > accept the life as

> > > > it comes. Life may be emerging out of nothingness

> > > > only to go back

> > > > into nothingness after brief earthy sojourn.

> > > >

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > > - In , "Manoshi

> > > > Chatterjee"

> > > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Tanvir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Did you write this article? Amazing! Very

> > > > beautiful. But as you

> > > > have

> > > > > said "but you are just experiencing

> > > > > > everything according to the karma you have

> > > > performed

> > > > > > in your past births"

> > > > > I am not a believer of past birth etc. Yes I do

> > > > believe that what

> > > > > has to happen will and there is definitely

> > > > something called

> > > > destiny

> > > > > which can be revealed by this amazing "...."

> > > > called astrology (we

> > > > > get proofs everyday) but as you said God doesnt

> > > > help always...well

> > > > > or remedies dont work :-) it gives us mental

> > > > strength but then

> > > > when

> > > > > remedies fail we say God does not exist or God

> > > > exists but its our

> > > > > karma phal which we have to bear etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your quote

> > > > > what cannot happen can never happen

> > > > > which is mine is forever mine

> > > > >

> > > > > is so true....

> > > > >

> > > > > So lets accept what life has to offer us...be it

> > > > sorrow or

> > > > > happiness...there is no other option :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > sneh

> > > > > Manoshi Di

> > > > > -- In , brijesh

> > > > bagga

> > > > <brij731>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Its a beautiful article to show you rself

> > > > standing

> > > > > > in front of the mirror describing the whole

> > > > story of

> > > > > > ones life as decided by the planets. What

> > > > learned

> > > > > > people believe is--- To be born in this world is

> > > > > > itself a misfortune.

> > > > > > Brijesh

> > > > > > --- Tanvir <ultimate@s...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > This essay shows the role of astrology [Vedic

> > > > > > > Astrology] in our lives. This is long but if

> > > > you

> > > > > > > read it taking time, it might be a good use of

> > > > your

> > > > > > > time!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Life is not fair

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Truly and honestly, when we observe

> > > > people's

> > > > > > > lives around us, we feel it needed to

> > > > acknowledge

> > > > > > > that life is not fair. I have repeatedly seen

> > > > that

> > > > > > > complete innocent people suffer for no reason

> > > > and

> > > > > > > people doing all sort of unfair and immoral

> > > > > > > activities enjoy all sort of happiness. Is

> > > > this

> > > > > > > fair? I have seen one's wife who has been

> > > > proved to

> > > > > > > be most loving and faithful leaves him and his

> > > > > > > children for another man and how the husband

> > > > > > > destroys him little by little after that, and

> > > > it is

> > > > > > > very difficult to believe such events even

> > > > after

> > > > > > > they happen in life. It would be a lot more

> > > > > > > difficult to believe if it happens to you or

> > > > to

> > > > > > > someone close to you. You will question

> > > > yourself,

> > > > > > > "What did I do? Why this had to happen to me?

> > > > Why

> > > > > > > this punishment?" You will often wonder if you

> > > > are

> > > > > > > in an endless dream which is seeming to be

> > > > real,

> > > > > > > because the reality would be too cruel to be

> > > > > > > believed. It will lead you to the condition

> > > > where

> > > > > > > you will seriously start to doubt if there

> > > > exists

> > > > > > > someone called God at all. Because if God is

> > > > really

> > > > > > > there, how can he tolerate all these

> > > > unfairness and

> > > > > > > punish people for nothing? I have seen a few

> > > > people

> > > > > > > getting religiously inclined for the pains

> > > > life has

> > > > > > > given them, but they are very few in number.

> > > > Most

> > > > > > > people lose all their potentials and destroy

> > > > > > > themselves little by little when they are

> > > > > > > continuously hurt over and over. Committing

> > > > suicides

> > > > > > > and getting in to drugs are what we see, but

> > > > we

> > > > > > > often fail to see the destruction going

> > > > inside.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even before getting in to Jyotish I

> > > > have

> > > > > > > dealt extensively with people's lives, and

> > > > that

> > > > > > > always led me to the impression that what in

> > > > general

> > > > > > > we know and believe about life, destiny and

> > > > God is

> > > > > > > not true, can never be true. There are some

> > > > serious

> > > > > > > incorrect information about the things we are

> > > > taught

> > > > > > > from our boyhood, like pray to God he will

> > > > listen to

> > > > > > > you, do good things God will be kind towards

> > > > you,

> > > > > > > etc. etc. Good deeds are not rewarded the way

> > > > we

> > > > > > > expect nor bad deeds are punished right away.

> > > > I have

> > > > > > > dealt with a large number of human lives and

> > > > saw

> > > > > > > that most of the times the innocent people are

> > > > the

> > > > > > > victims of the misfortune and problems. This

> > > > world

> > > > > > > is full of unfairness and full of cruelty.

> > > > This

> > > > > > > world is a very bad place and everyone is so

> > > > > > > selfish. All sort of unfair things are

> > > > possible to

> > > > > > > happen in anyone's life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my life a few of the prayers were

> > > > > > > answered by the God but a lot were unanswered

> > > > same

> > > > > > > time, including the most intense and serious

> > > > prayers

> > > >

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