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what is the effect of a retrograde planet? (Maniv, Tanvir)

Dear Maniv and Tanvir,

Tanvir, I read your article on cancellation of debilitated planets Thank

you for posting it

.

Maniv, I have found problems, as you have, with planets that are debilitated

by being retrograde in their exaltation sign. This is why I keep asking the

question can the debilitation of these retrograde exalted planets be

cancelled?

All the kind people on the list have given me lots of advice, information

and examples but I am still not sure what the anwer is!

Perhaps I am not as clever as I used to be and am missing the answer....

Forgive me, all, if my persistence is obnoxious or boring but I do genuinely

hope for a straight yes or no answer if there is one.

Love,

Gili

October 5, 2004

Dear Tanvir,

Unless I am mistaken a retrograde planet in its exaltation sign (eg

retrograde Jupiter in Cancer) is considered debilitated. Am I right?

If so can this debilitation be cancelled?

Please help : )))

Love, Gili

>"Tanvir" <ultimate

>

><>

>Re: what is the effect of a retrograde planet? (Maniv,

>Tanvir)

>Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:34:47 +0600

>

>Welcome ! :-D

>

>But I did not understand what you meant in the following lines -

>

>1. "planets that are debilitated by being retrograde in their exaltation

>sign"

>

>How come a planet become debilitated in it's exaltation sign?

>

>2. "can the debilitation of these retrograde exalted planets be cancelled?"

>

>Same question !

>

>Thanks,

>Tanvir.

>

>What can not happen, can never happen.

>Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

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> Gili Mary

>

> Wednesday, October 06, 2004 1:24 AM

> what is the effect of a retrograde planet? (Maniv, Tanvir)

>

> Dear Maniv and Tanvir,

> Tanvir, I read your article on cancellation of debilitated planets

>Thank

> you for posting it

> .

> Maniv, I have found problems, as you have, with planets that are

>debilitated

> by being retrograde in their exaltation sign. This is why I keep asking

>the

> question can the debilitation of these retrograde exalted planets be

> cancelled?

> All the kind people on the list have given me lots of advice,

>information

> and examples but I am still not sure what the anwer is!

> Perhaps I am not as clever as I used to be and am missing the answer....

> Forgive me, all, if my persistence is obnoxious or boring but I do

>genuinely

> hope for a straight yes or no answer if there is one.

> Love,

> Gili

>

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October 5, 2004

I do understand your question, but what to answer when the very theory of a

planet being retro and exalted turning a fallen planet itself is not established

or proved? :-s

Only case studies can tell us the truth...

Regs

Tan

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Which is mine, is forever mine.

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Gili Mary

Wednesday, October 06, 2004 1:37 AM

Re: what is the effect of a retrograde planet? (Maniv, Tanvir)

Dear Tanvir,

Unless I am mistaken a retrograde planet in its exaltation sign (eg

retrograde Jupiter in Cancer) is considered debilitated. Am I right?

If so can this debilitation be cancelled?

Please help : )))

Love, Gili

October 5, 2004

Dear Tanvir,

Thank you for your answer. I'm glad my question is finally understood. In

my chart, my retrograde Jupiter in Cancer does not behave as if he is

debilitated ... but then he is with Rahu in 6H which further complicates the

picture I think.

Love,

Gili

>I do understand your question, but what to answer when the very theory of a

>planet being retro and exalted turning a fallen planet itself is not

>established or proved? :-s

>

>Only case studies can tell us the truth...

>

>Regs

>Tan

>

>What can not happen, can never happen.

>Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

>Tanvir Chowdhury

>Cellular: +88 0189407202

>Mail: lord_narayana

>Website: http://www.jyotish-remedies.com

>Forum:

>

> -

> Gili Mary

>

> Wednesday, October 06, 2004 1:37 AM

> Re: what is the effect of a retrograde planet? (Maniv,

>Tanvir)

>

> Dear Tanvir,

> Unless I am mistaken a retrograde planet in its exaltation sign (eg

> retrograde Jupiter in Cancer) is considered debilitated. Am I right?

> If so can this debilitation be cancelled?

> Please help : )))

> Love, Gili

>

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October 5, 2004

May be you can tell us the detailed result of each Ju period of your life to let

us see what is happening...

What can not happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

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Cellular: +88 0189407202

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Gili Mary

Wednesday, October 06, 2004 1:51 AM

Re: what is the effect of a retrograde planet? (Maniv, Tanvir)

Dear Tanvir,

Thank you for your answer. I'm glad my question is finally understood. In

my chart, my retrograde Jupiter in Cancer does not behave as if he is

debilitated ... but then he is with Rahu in 6H which further complicates the

picture I think.

Love,

Gili

>I do understand your question, but what to answer when the very theory of a

>planet being retro and exalted turning a fallen planet itself is not

>established or proved? :-s

>

>Only case studies can tell us the truth...

>

>Regs

>Tan

>

>What can not happen, can never happen.

>Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

>Tanvir Chowdhury

>Cellular: +88 0189407202

>Mail: lord_narayana

>Website: http://www.jyotish-remedies.com

>Forum:

>

> -

> Gili Mary

>

> Wednesday, October 06, 2004 1:37 AM

> Re: what is the effect of a retrograde planet? (Maniv,

>Tanvir)

>

> Dear Tanvir,

> Unless I am mistaken a retrograde planet in its exaltation sign (eg

> retrograde Jupiter in Cancer) is considered debilitated. Am I right?

> If so can this debilitation be cancelled?

> Please help : )))

> Love, Gili

>

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October 5, 2004

Dear Tanvir,

Hope this helps your research. Any questions you have please feel free to

ask. I am too old to have secrets : ))

Born in England with a few days of Moon dasha left

Mars Jupiter Aug 1945 – July 1946 -my father came home from the WW2 and

married my mother during that period.

Rahu Jupiter 1953 – passed 11+ went to High School – average student,

pleasant memories

(Father died November 1958 in Rahu Saturn)

Rahu dasha - lots of academic success and great social life

Rahu Moon -first love (Indian doctor – parents wouldn’t allow marriage)

Jupiter Jupiter – went to work in Italy and met my husband to be – lived

with him but didn’t marry - married in Jupiter Moon June 1981

Jupiter Mercury – became principal of West Middlesex School of Radiograpy

Jupiter Sun – gave up work to do full time degree at Cambridge University

Jupiter Moon – April 81- experience of ‘bliss’ (not meditating it just

happened spontaneously)

- moment of fame working with gorilla collection at National Zoo and their

transfer to new Ape House

- Sept 81 daughter Layla born

- June 82 Jupiter Mars - moved permanently to USA

-Jupiter Rahu - career change opened learning center to teach high school

drop outs

Saturn Jupiter - stayed alive despite ovarian cancer (diagnosed 1997)

- met Brendan Feeley my VA teacher and ayurvedic doctor who is keeping me

alive

Love,

Gili

>"Tanvir" <ultimate

>

><>

>Re: what is the effect of a retrograde planet? (Maniv,

>Tanvir)

>Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:59:15 +0600

>

>May be you can tell us the detailed result of each Ju period of your life

>to let us see what is happening...

>

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October 5, 2004

Gili,

Thank you for your chart details and supplementary information. I

will look into the chart tomorrow but on the surface it seems that

you have on the whole benefited from the exaltation of the retrograde

Jupiter in your chart – there is little indication of it behaving as

if it were debilitated. It would be great if others also analyzed

this chart and gave their input.

Regards

Maniv

, "Gili Mary" <xapsarax@h...>

wrote:

> Dear Tanvir,

>

> Hope this helps your research. Any questions you have please feel

free to

> ask. I am too old to have secrets : ))

>

> Born in England with a few days of Moon dasha left

> Mars Jupiter Aug 1945 – July 1946 -my father came home from the WW2

and

> married my mother during that period.

> Rahu Jupiter 1953 – passed 11+ went to High School – average

student,

> pleasant memories

> (Father died November 1958 in Rahu Saturn)

> Rahu dasha - lots of academic success and great social life

> Rahu Moon -first love (Indian doctor – parents wouldn't allow

marriage)

> Jupiter Jupiter – went to work in Italy and met my husband to be –

lived

> with him but didn't marry - married in Jupiter Moon June 1981

> Jupiter Mercury – became principal of West Middlesex School of

Radiograpy

> Jupiter Sun – gave up work to do full time degree at Cambridge

University

> Jupiter Moon – April 81- experience of `bliss' (not meditating it

just

> happened spontaneously)

> - moment of fame working with gorilla collection at National Zoo

and their

> transfer to new Ape House

> - Sept 81 daughter Layla born

> - June 82 Jupiter Mars - moved permanently to USA

> -Jupiter Rahu - career change opened learning center to teach high

school

> drop outs

> Saturn Jupiter - stayed alive despite ovarian cancer (diagnosed

1997)

> - met Brendan Feeley my VA teacher and ayurvedic doctor who is

keeping me

> alive

>

> Love,

> Gili

>

> >"Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

> >

> ><>

> >Re: what is the effect of a retrograde planet?

(Maniv,

> >Tanvir)

> >Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:59:15 +0600

> >

> >May be you can tell us the detailed result of each Ju period of

your life

> >to let us see what is happening...

> >

>

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October 5, 2004

Hallelujah!

There is God!!

RR

, "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

wrote:

> I do understand your question, but what to answer when the very

theory of a planet being retro and exalted turning a fallen planet

itself is not established or proved? :-s

>

> Only case studies can tell us the truth...

>

> Regs

> Tan

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> Tanvir Chowdhury

> Cellular: +88 0189407202

> Mail: lord_narayana@l...

> Website: http://www.jyotish-remedies.com

> Forum:

>

> -

> Gili Mary

>

> Wednesday, October 06, 2004 1:37 AM

> Re: what is the effect of a retrograde planet?

(Maniv, Tanvir)

>

> Dear Tanvir,

> Unless I am mistaken a retrograde planet in its exaltation sign

(eg

> retrograde Jupiter in Cancer) is considered debilitated. Am I

right?

> If so can this debilitation be cancelled?

> Please help : )))

> Love, Gili

>

October 5, 2004

Maybe there is no straight forward answer. And the reason behind that

is not that people are ignorant or trying to trick others (well not

everyone, anyway!).

There seems to be this 'naive' (no other way to call it otherwise)

supposition or even belief in some that the factors that are utilized

in jyotish are black and white, yes or no kind of factors. Factors

such as are usually seen in physical sciences, pure sciences. Jyotish

is more 'biological' or "epidemiological" if you catch my metaphor.

So if in a given chart you try to find a "pure" status and influence

of say, exalted retrograde saturn, you would not clinch a specific

effect or attribute that would show up prominently in all other

charts that have the same exalted retrograde saturn in the same

house. This is because the planet will not only be differently

influenced by other planets, but also through its nakshatra

dispositor and by planets occupying its houses in the charts. You

will see a blend of influences and an effect would not necessarily be

equally 'dominant' in all of these sample charts. It is more

difficult in jyotish to look for and trying to prove the concordance

of position and effects in charts.

I realize it would be a lot simpler if one could have a look-up table

and simply add and average the influences and come up with readings.

If that were the case, all the descriptions written in astrology

texts would have come to pass (they don't) and the software would

have given a better reading than humans (quite the contrary!).

I will leave it at that. Good luck!

RR

, "Gili Mary" <xapsarax@h...>

wrote:

> Dear Maniv and Tanvir,

> Tanvir, I read your article on cancellation of debilitated planets

Thank

> you for posting it

> .

> Maniv, I have found problems, as you have, with planets that are

debilitated

> by being retrograde in their exaltation sign. This is why I keep

asking the

> question can the debilitation of these retrograde exalted planets

be

> cancelled?

> All the kind people on the list have given me lots of advice,

information

> and examples but I am still not sure what the anwer is!

> Perhaps I am not as clever as I used to be and am missing the

answer....

> Forgive me, all, if my persistence is obnoxious or boring but I do

genuinely

> hope for a straight yes or no answer if there is one.

> Love,

> Gili

>

> >There seems a lack of clarity regarding the role of exalted

> >retrograde planets with the general theory being put forward in

most

> >sources that they behave as if they are debilitated. Thus far I

have

> >seen 4 charts with such configurations but in none of the cases

does

> >the exalted retrograde planet seem to behave as if it were

> >debilitated. In fact it's quite the opposite. Maybe my

> >interpretations are incorrect that's why I request seasoned

> >astrologers like yourself to guide the likes of me on our quest to

> >minimize the ambiguity that persists in the vastness of Astrology.

> >

> >Regards

> >

> >Maniv

> >

> >, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> >wrote:

> > >

> > > Maniv,

> > >

> > > Someone drew my attention to this post. The article written by

me

> >was

> > > intended to be an introductory article for beginners and not

> >intended

> > > to be a research article. Most fora on internet particularly in

the

> > > area of jyotish are really aimed at catering to the beginner

with

> > > very little research material (even when it exists!). On the

> >contrary

> > > there are quite a few really serious sites with data and

research

> > > material in the area of western astrology. I think it is a

matter

> > > of 'consumer demand'. On message forums also you would notice

how

> > > topics change quickly and very little practical information gets

> > > discussed. You sound like a serious jyotishi -- what I would

> >request

> > > you is to not wait for others to provide the 'serious' in depth

> > > material but to start contributing and generating such writings.

> >Once

> > > a few individuals really begin to show serious interest, such

> > > material and collaborative projects would be generated

naturally.

> > > Most jyotishis are either too busy doing readings or busy doing

> >their

> > > 8-6 and then doing jyotish in remaining time, so pooling of

> >resources

> > > is a smart way to go about doing some really good work.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "maniv78"

> > > wrote:

> > > > Gaurav,

> > > >

> > > > It was refreshing to re-read the article this time with an

added

> > > > impetus having read it some time ago during my general study

of

> > > > astrology.

> > > >

> > > > It gives a basic insight into the possible effects of

retrograde

> > > > planets but is lacking in any level of depth and is highly

> > > ambiguous.

> > > >

> > > > I am looking for sound studies which can be applied

practically,

> > > and

> > > > it seems few exist.

> > > >

> > > > Again, I would encourage contributors to put forward birth

> >details

> > > of

> > > > charts with exalted retrograde planets so we can analyze the

> > > patterns

> > > > (if any) that emerge.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you

> > > >

> > > > , "Gaurav Sharma"

> > > > <gauravkom> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Srinivas,

> > > > >

> > > > > The article discusses about retro planets...hope it helps

and

> > > > Rohini

> > > > > ji pardons me for giving reference for his article :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00316.htm

> > > > >

> > > > > Gaurav

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Srinivas Rao"

> > > > <csrlc7@h...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Respected Learned Members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can anyone advise the web address or suggest us of the

> >effects

> > > of

> > > > > the planets in retrograde and same is vargottam too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks Srinivas rao

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > sumanth krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:15 PM

> > > > > > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] what is the effect of a

> > > > > retrograde planet?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected astrologers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I want to know the effect of a retrograde planet.some

say

> > > that

> > > > > retrograde planet even when exalted is equivalent to

combust is

> > > > this

> > > > > true.and some say the results of the planet is delayed but

not

> > > > > denied.which is true

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Will a retrograde Dhanadipathi will make him to born in

a

> > > > > financially unsound family, and give him prosperity after

some

> > > time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope is get answer

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sumanth

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October 5, 2004

Hello Everyone and Tanvir

I thought to put my one percent in this discussion.

I have Jupiter in 10th house Cancer and retrograde. My lagna is Libra

So Jupiter is ruler of 3rd and 6th Houses.

Well inspite of very hard work in buisiness i never could suceeed in

it.

My labour at factory had always been a problem to me in one way or

another.

My liver is not funtioning proper and this started when jupiter moved

through Aquarius .

Hope this helps

Amer Abbas

- In , Soumit Guha <java_sgt>

wrote:

> My experience with 2 retrograde planets (i think)

> 1. Jupiter retrograde in 2nd house (Aquarius) has been well enough

finacially though not rich, because I hase an unusual spending pattern

that is unrealistic, though working for the time being.

> 2. Venus retrograde in 11th house (Scorpio) has caused me to convert

all the hot chicks I meet into freinds.

> anyone like to validate this?

> Soumit

October 6, 2004

There are so many theories about the effect of the retrograde

planets. The clearest picture I have understood is that if we look

at the astronomy angle - a retro planet appears to move in the

opposite direction. To give this effect, it has to be going slow -

so the effect is intense in the sense, it remains longer in a

particular house. Now if the planet is Saturn - the person

experiencing the retro effect will have to endure the stern effects

of this planet for a longer time.

, "Gili Mary" <xapsarax@h...>

wrote:

> Dear Maniv and Tanvir,

> Tanvir, I read your article on cancellation of debilitated planets

Thank

> you for posting it

> .

> Maniv, I have found problems, as you have, with planets that are

debilitated

> by being retrograde in their exaltation sign. This is why I keep

asking the

> question can the debilitation of these retrograde exalted planets

be

> cancelled?

> All the kind people on the list have given me lots of advice,

information

> and examples but I am still not sure what the anwer is!

> Perhaps I am not as clever as I used to be and am missing the

answer....

> Forgive me, all, if my persistence is obnoxious or boring but I do

genuinely

> hope for a straight yes or no answer if there is one.

> Love,

> Gili

>

> >There seems a lack of clarity regarding the role of exalted

> >retrograde planets with the general theory being put forward in

most

> >sources that they behave as if they are debilitated. Thus far I

have

> >seen 4 charts with such configurations but in none of the cases

does

> >the exalted retrograde planet seem to behave as if it were

> >debilitated. In fact it's quite the opposite. Maybe my

> >interpretations are incorrect that's why I request seasoned

> >astrologers like yourself to guide the likes of me on our quest to

> >minimize the ambiguity that persists in the vastness of Astrology.

> >

> >Regards

> >

> >Maniv

> >

> >, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> >wrote:

> > >

> > > Maniv,

> > >

> > > Someone drew my attention to this post. The article written by

me

> >was

> > > intended to be an introductory article for beginners and not

> >intended

> > > to be a research article. Most fora on internet particularly in

the

> > > area of jyotish are really aimed at catering to the beginner

with

> > > very little research material (even when it exists!). On the

> >contrary

> > > there are quite a few really serious sites with data and

research

> > > material in the area of western astrology. I think it is a

matter

> > > of 'consumer demand'. On message forums also you would notice

how

> > > topics change quickly and very little practical information gets

> > > discussed. You sound like a serious jyotishi -- what I would

> >request

> > > you is to not wait for others to provide the 'serious' in depth

> > > material but to start contributing and generating such writings.

> >Once

> > > a few individuals really begin to show serious interest, such

> > > material and collaborative projects would be generated

naturally.

> > > Most jyotishis are either too busy doing readings or busy doing

> >their

> > > 8-6 and then doing jyotish in remaining time, so pooling of

> >resources

> > > is a smart way to go about doing some really good work.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "maniv78"

> > > wrote:

> > > > Gaurav,

> > > >

> > > > It was refreshing to re-read the article this time with an

added

> > > > impetus having read it some time ago during my general study

of

> > > > astrology.

> > > >

> > > > It gives a basic insight into the possible effects of

retrograde

> > > > planets but is lacking in any level of depth and is highly

> > > ambiguous.

> > > >

> > > > I am looking for sound studies which can be applied

practically,

> > > and

> > > > it seems few exist.

> > > >

> > > > Again, I would encourage contributors to put forward birth

> >details

> > > of

> > > > charts with exalted retrograde planets so we can analyze the

> > > patterns

> > > > (if any) that emerge.

> > > >

> > > > Thank you

> > > >

> > > > , "Gaurav Sharma"

> > > > <gauravkom> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Srinivas,

> > > > >

> > > > > The article discusses about retro planets...hope it helps

and

> > > > Rohini

> > > > > ji pardons me for giving reference for his article :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > http://www.boloji.com/astro/00316.htm

> > > > >

> > > > > Gaurav

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Srinivas Rao"

> > > > <csrlc7@h...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Respected Learned Members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can anyone advise the web address or suggest us of the

> >effects

> > > of

> > > > > the planets in retrograde and same is vargottam too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks Srinivas rao

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > sumanth krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:15 PM

> > > > > > [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] what is the effect of a

> > > > > retrograde planet?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected astrologers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I want to know the effect of a retrograde planet.some

say

> > > that

> > > > > retrograde planet even when exalted is equivalent to

combust is

> > > > this

> > > > > true.and some say the results of the planet is delayed but

not

> > > > > denied.which is true

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Will a retrograde Dhanadipathi will make him to born in

a

> > > > > financially unsound family, and give him prosperity after

some

> > > time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hope is get answer

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sumanth

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -------------------------

----

> >--

> > > --

> > > > --

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October 6, 2004

Hello Amer Bhai,

Hope you are doing fine. Good to see you here.

Well I can not say anything from my part about your chart esp. when you use a

different zodiac. I can only offer my comments if I get the full birth data of

you.

Best wishes,

Tanvir.

What can not happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

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amernumber

Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:40 AM

Re: what is the effect of a retrograde planet? (Maniv, Tanvir)

Hello Everyone and Tanvir

I thought to put my one percent in this discussion.

I have Jupiter in 10th house Cancer and retrograde. My lagna is Libra

So Jupiter is ruler of 3rd and 6th Houses.

Well inspite of very hard work in buisiness i never could suceeed in

it.

My labour at factory had always been a problem to me in one way or

another.

My liver is not funtioning proper and this started when jupiter moved

through Aquarius .

Hope this helps

Amer Abbas

- In , Soumit Guha <java_sgt>

wrote:

> My experience with 2 retrograde planets (i think)

> 1. Jupiter retrograde in 2nd house (Aquarius) has been well enough

finacially though not rich, because I hase an unusual spending pattern

that is unrealistic, though working for the time being.

> 2. Venus retrograde in 11th house (Scorpio) has caused me to convert

all the hot chicks I meet into freinds.

> anyone like to validate this?

> Soumit

October 6, 2004

Can you please send the full birth details? Sorry I am not sure if you sent it

already, but looks like I have missed it. Also I do serious studies in private

and not in public in general. So I might be replying you directly than through

here.

Best wishes,

Tanvir.

What can not happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

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Gili Mary

Wednesday, October 06, 2004 3:02 AM

Re: what is the effect of a retrograde planet? (Maniv, Tanvir)

Dear Tanvir,

Hope this helps your research. Any questions you have please feel free to

ask. I am too old to have secrets : ))

Born in England with a few days of Moon dasha left

Mars Jupiter Aug 1945 - July 1946 -my father came home from the WW2 and

married my mother during that period.

Rahu Jupiter 1953 - passed 11+ went to High School - average student,

pleasant memories

(Father died November 1958 in Rahu Saturn)

Rahu dasha - lots of academic success and great social life

Rahu Moon -first love (Indian doctor - parents wouldn't allow marriage)

Jupiter Jupiter - went to work in Italy and met my husband to be - lived

with him but didn't marry - married in Jupiter Moon June 1981

Jupiter Mercury - became principal of West Middlesex School of Radiograpy

Jupiter Sun - gave up work to do full time degree at Cambridge University

Jupiter Moon - April 81- experience of 'bliss' (not meditating it just

happened spontaneously)

- moment of fame working with gorilla collection at National Zoo and their

transfer to new Ape House

- Sept 81 daughter Layla born

- June 82 Jupiter Mars - moved permanently to USA

-Jupiter Rahu - career change opened learning center to teach high school

drop outs

Saturn Jupiter - stayed alive despite ovarian cancer (diagnosed 1997)

- met Brendan Feeley my VA teacher and ayurvedic doctor who is keeping me

alive

Love,

Gili

>"Tanvir" <ultimate

>

><>

>Re: what is the effect of a retrograde planet? (Maniv,

>Tanvir)

>Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:59:15 +0600

>

>May be you can tell us the detailed result of each Ju period of your life

>to let us see what is happening...

>

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October 6, 2004

Dear Mary,

As per my studies, A RETROGRESSION tries to pull back the planet from

the present status backward.

--If the planet is in exaltation, it is pulled back from the peak,

which amounts to loss of power and if it gives a Rajayoga,

the yoga is broken, which I have noted in the charts of many

politicians losing their power for some reason or in election.

In general, the effect of EXALTATION is diminished and of course BY

WHAT AMOUNT is determined by the MODE of retrogression ie

Vakra, ativakra, manda, nischala and so on. But usually, the effect

is felt in mundane events rather than in individuals if

the chart is not of mundane importance like that of a king. A general

native chart is not FREE of its effect but meagrely affected.

I remeber having read in a classical text(perhaps Uttara Kalamrita or

Phaladeepikaa) a rule which can be summarised thus:

1.Exaltation + retrogression -> Loss of Power, status of no power

(Shaanta Avastha) but not debility.

2.Moola trikona + retro. = Exaltation!!

3.Own house + retro. = Moola Trikona !!

4.Debility + retro --> Swakshetra or Own house!!

Though slightly seems illogical, it works in practice in most of the

cases ie for charts of mundane influence.

Hope this may help you in finding something,

yours,

KAD

, "Gili Mary" <xapsarax@h...>

wrote:

> Dear Tanvir,

>

> Hope this helps your research. Any questions you have please feel

free to

> ask. I am too old to have secrets : ))

>

> Born in England with a few days of Moon dasha left

> Mars Jupiter Aug 1945 EJuly 1946 -my father came home from the WW2

and

> married my mother during that period.

> Rahu Jupiter 1953 Epassed 11+ went to High School Eaverage

student,

> pleasant memories

> (Father died November 1958 in Rahu Saturn)

> Rahu dasha - lots of academic success and great social life

> Rahu Moon -first love (Indian doctor Eparents wouldn't allow

marriage)

> Jupiter Jupiter Ewent to work in Italy and met my husband to be E

lived

> with him but didn't marry - married in Jupiter Moon June 1981

> Jupiter Mercury Ebecame principal of West Middlesex School of

Radiograpy

> Jupiter Sun Egave up work to do full time degree at Cambridge

University

> Jupiter Moon EApril 81- experience of `blissE(not meditating it

just

> happened spontaneously)

> - moment of fame working with gorilla collection at National Zoo

and their

> transfer to new Ape House

> - Sept 81 daughter Layla born

> - June 82 Jupiter Mars - moved permanently to USA

> -Jupiter Rahu - career change opened learning center to teach high

school

> drop outs

> Saturn Jupiter - stayed alive despite ovarian cancer (diagnosed

1997)

> - met Brendan Feeley my VA teacher and ayurvedic doctor who is

keeping me

> alive

>

> Love,

> Gili

>

> >"Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

> >

> ><>

> >Re: what is the effect of a retrograde planet?

(Maniv,

> >Tanvir)

> >Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:59:15 +0600

> >

> >May be you can tell us the detailed result of each Ju period of

your life

> >to let us see what is happening...

> >

>

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October 6, 2004

A lot of the propositions put forward on this matter - exalted retro

becomes weak, debilitated strong etc seem to be based on the

experiences of the astrologers. If this is the case would they

please care to share the a few of the charts so that others can

learn from them?

In the charts I have seen thus far the exalted retrograde seems to

maintain its power as through its exaltation rather then it

diminishing. So at this stage of my research I can not agree with

the propositions that are being made.

Everyone seems to agree that retrograde planets move slower and thus

gives their results more intensely. Then wouldn't it be logical to

assume that such planets in their exaltation sign give such powerful

effects more intently?

Of course there are many other factors to consider (house placement,

functional status, aspects, navamsa-nakshatra placement etc )and

there is a never fixed answer to how such planets behave, but I feel

it is possible to get a general gist of the effects through

practical research.

Regards

Maniv

, "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

wrote:

> Can you please send the full birth details? Sorry I am not sure if

you sent it already, but looks like I have missed it. Also I do

serious studies in private and not in public in general. So I might

be replying you directly than through here.

>

> Best wishes,

> Tanvir.

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> Tanvir Chowdhury

> Cellular: +88 0189407202

> Mail: lord_narayana@l...

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> Forum:

>

> -

> Gili Mary

>

> Wednesday, October 06, 2004 3:02 AM

> Re: what is the effect of a retrograde planet?

(Maniv, Tanvir)

>

> Dear Tanvir,

>

> Hope this helps your research. Any questions you have please

feel free to

> ask. I am too old to have secrets : ))

>

> Born in England with a few days of Moon dasha left

> Mars Jupiter Aug 1945 - July 1946 -my father came home from the

WW2 and

> married my mother during that period.

> Rahu Jupiter 1953 - passed 11+ went to High School - average

student,

> pleasant memories

> (Father died November 1958 in Rahu Saturn)

> Rahu dasha - lots of academic success and great social life

> Rahu Moon -first love (Indian doctor - parents wouldn't allow

marriage)

> Jupiter Jupiter - went to work in Italy and met my husband to

be - lived

> with him but didn't marry - married in Jupiter Moon June 1981

> Jupiter Mercury - became principal of West Middlesex School of

Radiograpy

> Jupiter Sun - gave up work to do full time degree at Cambridge

University

> Jupiter Moon - April 81- experience of 'bliss' (not meditating

it just

> happened spontaneously)

> - moment of fame working with gorilla collection at National Zoo

and their

> transfer to new Ape House

> - Sept 81 daughter Layla born

> - June 82 Jupiter Mars - moved permanently to USA

> -Jupiter Rahu - career change opened learning center to teach

high school

> drop outs

> Saturn Jupiter - stayed alive despite ovarian cancer (diagnosed

1997)

> - met Brendan Feeley my VA teacher and ayurvedic doctor who is

keeping me

> alive

>

> Love,

> Gili

>

> >"Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

> >

> ><>

> >Re: what is the effect of a retrograde planet?

(Maniv,

> >Tanvir)

> >Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:59:15 +0600

> >

> >May be you can tell us the detailed result of each Ju period of

your life

> >to let us see what is happening...

> >

>

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October 6, 2004

Dear Ritu,

Thank you for your input.

Love,

Gili

>"Ritu Lalit" <ritulalit

>

> Re: what is the effect of a retrograde planet? (Maniv,

>Tanvir)

>Wed, 06 Oct 2004 06:51:58 -0000

>

>There are so many theories about the effect of the retrograde

>planets. The clearest picture I have understood is that if we look

>at the astronomy angle - a retro planet appears to move in the

>opposite direction. To give this effect, it has to be going slow -

>so the effect is intense in the sense, it remains longer in a

>particular house. Now if the planet is Saturn - the person

>experiencing the retro effect will have to endure the stern effects

>of this planet for a longer time.

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October 6, 2004

Dear Tanvir,

Here is my chart again.

Love,

Gili

>"Tanvir" <ultimate

>Can you please send the full birth details? Sorry I am not sure if you sent

>it already, but looks like I have missed it. Also I do serious studies in

>private and not in public in general. So I might be replying you directly

>than through here.

>

>Best wishes,

>Tanvir.

>

> Dear Tanvir,

>

> Hope this helps your research. Any questions you have please feel free

>to

> ask. I am too old to have secrets : ))

>

> Born in England with a few days of Moon dasha left

> Mars Jupiter Aug 1945 - July 1946 -my father came home from the WW2 and

> married my mother during that period.

> Rahu Jupiter 1953 - passed 11+ went to High School - average student,

> pleasant memories

> (Father died November 1958 in Rahu Saturn)

> Rahu dasha - lots of academic success and great social life

> Rahu Moon -first love (Indian doctor - parents wouldn't allow marriage)

> Jupiter Jupiter - went to work in Italy and met my husband to be - lived

> with him but didn't marry - married in Jupiter Moon June 1981

> Jupiter Mercury - became principal of West Middlesex School of

>Radiograpy

> Jupiter Sun - gave up work to do full time degree at Cambridge

>University

> Jupiter Moon - April 81- experience of 'bliss' (not meditating it just

> happened spontaneously)

> - moment of fame working with gorilla collection at National Zoo and

>their

> transfer to new Ape House

> - Sept 81 daughter Layla born

> - June 82 Jupiter Mars - moved permanently to USA

> -Jupiter Rahu - career change opened learning center to teach high

>school

> drop outs

> Saturn Jupiter - stayed alive despite ovarian cancer (diagnosed 1997)

> - met Brendan Feeley my VA teacher and ayurvedic doctor who is keeping

>me

> alive

>

> Love,

> Gili

>

> >"Tanvir" <ultimate

> >

> ><>

> >Re: what is the effect of a retrograde planet? (Maniv,

> >Tanvir)

> >Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:59:15 +0600

> >

> >May be you can tell us the detailed result of each Ju period of your

>life

> >to let us see what is happening...

> >

>

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October 6, 2004

Oh... we do not get the chart. Are you attaching it with the email? It will not

work, because the attachment is disabled to stop transmitting viruses. We need

to know your date of birth (day-month-year), time of birth and place of birth.

Best wishes,

Tanvir.

What can not happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

Tanvir Chowdhury

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Mail: lord_narayana