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Dear All,

 

What are the key planets that cause bad habits/ vices - indulgences

in alcohol, drugs etc?

 

I assume a weak Saturn/Rahu/Ketu and strong negative 2nd house

influence in the chart with these planets being linked to the 1/2nd

lord and some association with the 8/12th house.............

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Here I go again!

 

Maniv, would it not be better if rather than beginning with

assumptions, you collect a few charts of addicts etc and then

standing on that firm platform of real cases, you develop a

hypothesis, theory and do more testing, etc.? Boring and laborious as

it may sound. Without that, assumptions can sometimes lead to wrong

conclusions. Jyotish is full of romantic theories like that which do

not stand on a firm scaffold of facts (horoscopes). Shri KN Rao often

advises against the 'easy' path.

 

If you need some data, I would direct your attention to

www.astrodatabank.com where I think there is a study that was carried

out in alcoholics or morphine addicts and probably has several

birthdata as well. Even if the study was conducted using western

astrology, the data would be helpful. THere are generally speaking

more such rigorous studies done by western astrologers than indian

astrologers, so they form a great source for data even if their

system is different.

 

Credit where it is due!

 

RR

 

, "maniv78" <maniv78>

wrote:

>

>

> Dear All,

>

> What are the key planets that cause bad habits/ vices - indulgences

> in alcohol, drugs etc?

>

> I assume a weak Saturn/Rahu/Ketu and strong negative 2nd house

> influence in the chart with these planets being linked to the 1/2nd

> lord and some association with the 8/12th house.............

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Rohini,

 

Thank you for you reply.

 

While I fully understand the importance of the study of practical

charts and avoid the route of assumption at any cost, it is somewhat

difficult to actually obtain charts of individuals with a tendency to

indulge in vices. This has lead me to search various texts and

internet sources, including the Western Astrology site you have sent

the link for (which attributes such tendencies to the influence of

Neptune and 12th house /Pisces) but they leave the issue wholly

ambiguous – similar to the exalted retrograde planets confusion.

 

My point is that when undertaking the analysis of charts and making

basic preliminary predictions, it is useful to have some prior

knowledge of the key indications for these inclinations. As a

beginner this information is essential as the luxury of intuition

that experience grants is absent. Hence my request to experienced

astrologers like yourself to provide an outline of the basic

indications, which can then be expanded on in the practical study of

charts. More appropriate would be the sharing of relevant resources

(charts!), leaving me to draw my own conclusions.

 

Jyotish for me is a voyage of discovery, an adventure which is made

all the more exciting as there are so many stones left unturned –

it's just that sometimes you need the wise to direct you to them

stones……

 

Regards

 

Maniv

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

>

> Here I go again!

>

> Maniv, would it not be better if rather than beginning with

> assumptions, you collect a few charts of addicts etc and then

> standing on that firm platform of real cases, you develop a

> hypothesis, theory and do more testing, etc.? Boring and laborious

as

> it may sound. Without that, assumptions can sometimes lead to wrong

> conclusions. Jyotish is full of romantic theories like that which

do

> not stand on a firm scaffold of facts (horoscopes). Shri KN Rao

often

> advises against the 'easy' path.

>

> If you need some data, I would direct your attention to

> www.astrodatabank.com where I think there is a study that was

carried

> out in alcoholics or morphine addicts and probably has several

> birthdata as well. Even if the study was conducted using western

> astrology, the data would be helpful. THere are generally speaking

> more such rigorous studies done by western astrologers than indian

> astrologers, so they form a great source for data even if their

> system is different.

>

> Credit where it is due!

>

> RR

>

> , "maniv78" <maniv78>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > What are the key planets that cause bad habits/ vices -

indulgences

> > in alcohol, drugs etc?

> >

> > I assume a weak Saturn/Rahu/Ketu and strong negative 2nd house

> > influence in the chart with these planets being linked to the

1/2nd

> > lord and some association with the 8/12th house.............

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The astrodatabank website has many charts and data. I was very clear

in my message that I am asking you to visit that site for data, not

the rules (which may not make any sense in jyotish). There is also

the french site which has gauquelin data. A bit of internet searching

is a must have skill for all serious researchers (in any field).

 

There are also collection of charts available from several sites

which are useful tools and resources. This would be way better than

data collected by word-of-mouth particularly because of there being

no quality control/assurance. Books and articles are not very

reliable also, because often errors show up there. One has to be very

careful.

 

If I were you, I would do my homework rather than asking so

called 'experts' in a field that has next to nil quality control

or 'regulation'. Please do not take this wrongly, but just a word of

caution, because I strongly feel about this after seeing for some

decades what exists.

 

If you ask experts, you will come up with several opinions, different

pointers used by them for looking at the same effect or outcome. Draw

your own conclusions!

 

RR

 

 

 

, "maniv78" <maniv78>

wrote:

>

>

> Rohini,

>

> Thank you for you reply.

>

> While I fully understand the importance of the study of practical

> charts and avoid the route of assumption at any cost, it is

somewhat

> difficult to actually obtain charts of individuals with a tendency

to

> indulge in vices. This has lead me to search various texts and

> internet sources, including the Western Astrology site you have

sent

> the link for (which attributes such tendencies to the influence of

> Neptune and 12th house /Pisces) but they leave the issue wholly

> ambiguous – similar to the exalted retrograde planets confusion.

>

> My point is that when undertaking the analysis of charts and making

> basic preliminary predictions, it is useful to have some prior

> knowledge of the key indications for these inclinations. As a

> beginner this information is essential as the luxury of intuition

> that experience grants is absent. Hence my request to experienced

> astrologers like yourself to provide an outline of the basic

> indications, which can then be expanded on in the practical study

of

> charts. More appropriate would be the sharing of relevant resources

> (charts!), leaving me to draw my own conclusions.

>

> Jyotish for me is a voyage of discovery, an adventure which is made

> all the more exciting as there are so many stones left unturned –

> it's just that sometimes you need the wise to direct you to them

> stones……

>

> Regards

>

> Maniv

>

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Here I go again!

> >

> > Maniv, would it not be better if rather than beginning with

> > assumptions, you collect a few charts of addicts etc and then

> > standing on that firm platform of real cases, you develop a

> > hypothesis, theory and do more testing, etc.? Boring and

laborious

> as

> > it may sound. Without that, assumptions can sometimes lead to

wrong

> > conclusions. Jyotish is full of romantic theories like that which

> do

> > not stand on a firm scaffold of facts (horoscopes). Shri KN Rao

> often

> > advises against the 'easy' path.

> >

> > If you need some data, I would direct your attention to

> > www.astrodatabank.com where I think there is a study that was

> carried

> > out in alcoholics or morphine addicts and probably has several

> > birthdata as well. Even if the study was conducted using western

> > astrology, the data would be helpful. THere are generally

speaking

> > more such rigorous studies done by western astrologers than

indian

> > astrologers, so they form a great source for data even if their

> > system is different.

> >

> > Credit where it is due!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "maniv78" <maniv78>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > What are the key planets that cause bad habits/ vices -

> indulgences

> > > in alcohol, drugs etc?

> > >

> > > I assume a weak Saturn/Rahu/Ketu and strong negative 2nd house

> > > influence in the chart with these planets being linked to the

> 1/2nd

> > > lord and some association with the 8/12th house.............

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