Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 dear all, Mantra has more power as the nuclear-bomb! best regards shad "om namaha sivaya" Teachings of Babaji: Mantra Bomb 20 APRIL 1980 Note: After the evening aarati, Babaji spoke at length about the power of the mantra Om Namah Shivai. Some of his talk went as follows: "I am happy that you are all on the way of religion. I am encouraged. As in past times, in certain parts of Europe there was a sincere adoration of fire. Babaji then said "More than half of the people are oriented towards destruction" and went on to relate a story of how, at a time in the past (Mahabharata times), all the resources of Ravana's kingdom were used for the creation of a bomb so large and powerful that it was even more powerful than those we have today. Then some positive and creative forces got together and created something that would be even more powerful than this enormous destructive bomb. They created the mantra bomb. "The mantra is still the only way." Babaji then gave two examples of survival and said that those who use the mantra will survive in the same way. First Example: When Lord Krishna was at a battle where everything was on fire, a locust came to pray at His feet. Krishna then placed His helmet over the locust. Everything on the field was burned and killed, except the locust, which survived under Lord Krishna's helmet. Second Example: In a flour mill, all of the grain is ground up, just like people are in the destructive process. A few grains escape because they are near the center pole and fall down and away from the grinding wheel. "I am happy that you are here. You should not waste your time while you are here. Have faith." Do what you Love. Live where you Love. Pray where you Love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Curiously, after the invent of internet (some call it kali awatar or kalki awataar), mantras have suddenly become thousand folds more accessible. There are webpages after webpages with information about it, mantra recordings galore, in voice (no more distortion of pronounciation getting in the way of the dedicated sadhak) and all this information has only become so widely available in the last ten years. Seekers have flocked to the fountain in hoardes, throngs of the thirsty travellers finally able to drink straight from the source or better still, sources! More the merrier!! Yet in the last ten years, if one looks back, there have been more illnesses, more wars, more terrorism, more natural calamities and disasters. The naive belief of there being critical number of spiritual practitioners somehow making a positive change in this world and its spiritual reason for being, and despite all this influx of freely available religious thought, mantras, tantras and all the rest has simply not worked. Something is missing, what? Some cynics say that mantras (just like gems) are merely symbols, concrete forms that must be awakened, just as religious idols must or gemstones must before they come alive and can do what they are capable of. Any light you can shine on the above? Thanks RR , "Shad" <waterpowers> wrote: > > dear all, > > Mantra has more power as the nuclear-bomb! > best regards > shad > > "om namaha sivaya" > > > Teachings of Babaji: Mantra Bomb > 20 APRIL 1980 > > Note: After the evening aarati, Babaji spoke at length about the > power of the > mantra Om Namah Shivai. Some of his talk went as follows: > > "I am happy that you are all on the way of religion. I am > encouraged. As in past > times, in certain parts of Europe there was a sincere adoration of > fire. > > Babaji then said "More than half of the people are oriented towards > destruction" > and went on to relate a story of how, at a time in the past > (Mahabharata times), > all the resources of Ravana's kingdom were used for the creation of > a bomb so > large and powerful that it was even more powerful than those we have > today. Then > some positive and creative forces got together and created something > that would > be even more powerful than this enormous destructive bomb. They > created the > mantra bomb. > > "The mantra is still the only way." > > Babaji then gave two examples of survival and said that those who > use the mantra > will survive in the same way. > > First Example: When Lord Krishna was at a battle where everything > was on fire, a > locust came to pray at His feet. Krishna then placed His helmet over > the locust. > Everything on the field was burned and killed, except the locust, > which survived > under Lord Krishna's helmet. > > Second Example: In a flour mill, all of the grain is ground up, just > like people > are in the destructive process. A few grains escape because they are > near the > center pole and fall down and away from the grinding wheel. > > "I am happy that you are here. You should not waste your time while > you are > here. Have faith." > > > > Do what you Love. > Live where you Love. > Pray where you Love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Dear Rohiniranjan, > Some cynics say that mantras (just like gems) are merely symbols, > concrete forms that must be awakened, just as religious idols must or > gemstones must before they come alive and can do what they are > capable of. > > Any light you can shine on the above? I give you a small example: Three years ago I could see in real life how this mantra saves lifes at my very own Grandmother. She was about to die being in hospital, experiencing her third lung-infection, at age of 80. Most people die at the first lung infection in this age, she had the third. When she saw death coming she asked her daughter, my aunt, to take me there to see my Grandma, she wanted to talk to me and ask me something. My aunt said that Grandma was very afraid of dying, and all the days she had been praying to Jesus to save her life, but the situation became worse and worse. My Grandma then told me that Jesus wouldn't hear er prayers anymore, as she requested Him to save her life. She then said 'maybe your Hindu-God is more merciful?' and save her life. If I knew a prayer for her. So I was in a desperate situation - what shall I do?! Tell her Krishna would save her life if she chanted harekrishna mantra? That would have been a lie. So I decided to give her the Mahamrityunjaya mantra, as in Vedas it is said it can save life - so I wouldn't lie at her. But honestly I didn't anymore believe she still had a chance. Not that I doubted in the mantra, but it was really late for her. Only a miracle could save her. If she had asked earlier... So I gave her a tape with the chants of the mantra and the printed mantra. My aunt learned how to chant the mantra, as she was all day with her mother and could teach her. This was on a Monday, and the doctors had suggested to prepare the funeral for the Sunday following. Everything was prepared. After three days my Grandmother left the hospital. And the doctor said, he doesn't understand, but she had a better blood than he does. On Sunday she visit the morning mess at church, and the priest was shocked to see her actually, as he had already taken the money for her very funeral. She lived a year more. Never before in her life she had heard about Lord Siva or believed in any other God than her Jesus and His Mother Mary. But facing death she chanted with ful heart, even being unconscious, she continued repeating the mantra. Even the doctors told me words of the mantra as they again and again heard it from her. One could tell us Hindus it is our belief, a placebo effect, but my Grandma never knew about Siva or the mantras praising Him. She only knew I was a 'Krishna devotee'. And actually never liked the fact that I had turned away from Christianity 20 years ago. Siva indeed is merciful! > The naive belief of there being critical number of > spiritual practitioners somehow making a positive change in this > world and its spiritual reason for being, and despite all this > influx of freely available religious thought, mantras, tantras and > all the rest has simply not worked. How do you know this? And what would have happened, if people on this planet wouldn't worship God and wouldn't praise Him with all these mantras? Maybe things would look even worse. I can assure you we would have much bigger hell on Earth, if there weren't pious people being naive enough to chant the mantras and prayers...! > Some cynics say that mantras (just like gems) are merely symbols, > concrete forms that must be awakened, just as religious idols must > or gemstones must before they come alive and can do what they are > capable of. I can assure you that some mantras are non-different from God Himself. The name of Lord Siva is non-different from the Lord Himself. All energies are in this name, which also counts for other Vishnu-tattvas, Siva-tattvas, Shakti-tattvas, and other expansions of God and His names. There may be many idiots and cynics that claim different, but the evidence will only be there for you, once you have tried it for yourself! Everybody gotta find out alone, nobody can do this for you. !om namah sivaya! Chant this, and your life will become more auspicious! Kind regards, Shad , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > Curiously, after the invent of internet (some call it kali awatar or > kalki awataar), mantras have suddenly become thousand folds more > accessible. There are webpages after webpages with information about > it, mantra recordings galore, in voice (no more distortion of > pronounciation getting in the way of the dedicated sadhak) and all > this information has only become so widely available in the last ten > years. Seekers have flocked to the fountain in hoardes, throngs of > the thirsty travellers finally able to drink straight from the source > or better still, sources! More the merrier!! > > Yet in the last ten years, if one looks back, there have been more > illnesses, more wars, more terrorism, more natural calamities and > disasters. The naive belief of there being critical number of > spiritual practitioners somehow making a positive change in this > world and its spiritual reason for being, and despite all this influx > of freely available religious thought, mantras, tantras and all the > rest has simply not worked. > > Something is missing, what? > > Some cynics say that mantras (just like gems) are merely symbols, > concrete forms that must be awakened, just as religious idols must or > gemstones must before they come alive and can do what they are > capable of. > > Any light you can shine on the above? > > Thanks > > RR > > , "Shad" <waterpowers> > wrote: > > > > dear all, > > > > Mantra has more power as the nuclear-bomb! > > best regards > > shad > > > > "om namaha sivaya" > > > > > > Teachings of Babaji: Mantra Bomb > > 20 APRIL 1980 > > > > Note: After the evening aarati, Babaji spoke at length about the > > power of the > > mantra Om Namah Shivai. Some of his talk went as follows: > > > > "I am happy that you are all on the way of religion. I am > > encouraged. As in past > > times, in certain parts of Europe there was a sincere adoration of > > fire. > > > > Babaji then said "More than half of the people are oriented towards > > destruction" > > and went on to relate a story of how, at a time in the past > > (Mahabharata times), > > all the resources of Ravana's kingdom were used for the creation of > > a bomb so > > large and powerful that it was even more powerful than those we > have > > today. Then > > some positive and creative forces got together and created > something > > that would > > be even more powerful than this enormous destructive bomb. They > > created the > > mantra bomb. > > > > "The mantra is still the only way." > > > > Babaji then gave two examples of survival and said that those who > > use the mantra > > will survive in the same way. > > > > First Example: When Lord Krishna was at a battle where everything > > was on fire, a > > locust came to pray at His feet. Krishna then placed His helmet > over > > the locust. > > Everything on the field was burned and killed, except the locust, > > which survived > > under Lord Krishna's helmet. > > > > Second Example: In a flour mill, all of the grain is ground up, > just > > like people > > are in the destructive process. A few grains escape because they > are > > near the > > center pole and fall down and away from the grinding wheel. > > > > "I am happy that you are here. You should not waste your time while > > you are > > here. Have faith." > > > > > > > > Do what you Love. > > Live where you Love. > > Pray where you Love. 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Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 My personal experience has been that it is really the conviction - not the mantra that helps. Meditation - especially the trance state releases positive energies, totally relaxes the mind and body and that clears the body and soul of negativity. For achieving the trance state - one could use Hindu, Muslim, Christian or any other mantras. I have seen catholic nuns saying the rosary have that glow which comes with regular meditation, and even the sadhus who chant the Shiv mantra, and the Budhist priests too. The paths may be different - the result is the same. Ritu , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> wrote: > > Dear Shad, > > Your conviction in Lord Shiva shall protect you and happy to see that > you are attracted to vedic line of thought. > BUT, I feel your message, though not aimed at, indirectly points at > Hindu gods and Mantras being better in capacity > and power, which is not true. Whatever god or demi-god of whichever > religion one chooses to worship or pray to, the > effect is all the same. I can show you a number of cases like your > granny's case even in India and outside, where > people got saved by their belief in JESUS or ALLAH or BUDDHA or > whomever they believed to get help from and never knew > Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra(MMM). > > It is the REALIZATION of self which brings about a change. Mantra- > Yantra-Tantra are all MATERIALISTIC in nature and are > tools for the DHARMA-ARTHA-KAMA and are VEDIC in their course. While > DHYAANA or meditation is a VEDANTA or YOGIC way and > NON-MATERIALISTIC and is a tool for MOKSHA. Why do you think VEDAS > which describe millions of Mantras of millions of gods > end as VEDANTA which says there is only one UNIQUE and TRUE SUPREME? > > Perhaps your granny had Mantra-sidhi yoga in her chart which led her > to learn MMM through casette, thats really fine! > If I were in your place, I would have given her a casette with > chantings of 'Parable of Lost Sheep' from The Holy Bible (St. Luke > Chap XV 1-19) > to reassure that her 80 year old conviction of JESUS would still > protect her. If anyone differs, it means MMM is more > powerful than prayers to Jesus, which contradicts Vedantic theories > supporting MMM! > > yours humbly, > KAD > , "Shad" <waterpowers> > wrote: > > > I give you a small example: > > > > Three years ago I could see in real life how this > > mantra saves lifes at my very own Grandmother. > > She was about to die being in hospital, experiencing > > her third lung-infection, at age of 80. Most people > > die at the first lung infection in this age, she had > > the third. > > > > When she saw death coming she asked her daughter, my > > aunt, to take me there to see my Grandma, she wanted > > to talk to me and ask me something. > > > > My aunt said that Grandma was very afraid of dying, > > and all the days she had been praying to Jesus to save > > her life, but the situation became worse and worse. > > > > My Grandma then told me that Jesus wouldn't hear er > > prayers anymore, as she requested Him to save her > > life. She then said 'maybe your Hindu-God is more > > merciful?' and save her life. If I knew a prayer for > > her. > > > > So I was in a desperate situation - what shall I do?! > > Tell her Krishna would save her life if she chanted > > harekrishna mantra? That would have been a lie. > > So I decided to give her the Mahamrityunjaya mantra, > > as in Vedas it is said it can save life - so I > > wouldn't lie at her. But honestly I didn't anymore > > believe she still had a chance. Not that I doubted in > > the mantra, but it was really late for her. Only a > > miracle could save her. If she had asked earlier... > > > > So I gave her a tape with the chants of the mantra and > > the printed mantra. My aunt learned how to chant the > > mantra, as she was all day with her mother and could > > teach her. > > > > This was on a Monday, and the doctors had suggested to > > prepare the funeral for the Sunday following. > > Everything was prepared. After three days my > > Grandmother left the hospital. And the doctor said, he > > doesn't understand, but she had a better blood than he > > does. > > > > On Sunday she visit the morning mess at church, and > > the priest was shocked to see her actually, as he had > > already taken the money for her very funeral. > > > > She lived a year more. Never before in her life she > > had heard about Lord Siva or believed in any other God > > than her Jesus and His Mother Mary. > > > > But facing death she chanted with ful heart, even > > being unconscious, she continued repeating the mantra. > > Even the doctors told me words of the mantra as they > > again and again heard it from her. > > > > One could tell us Hindus it is our belief, a placebo > > effect, but my Grandma never knew about Siva or the > > mantras praising Him. She only knew I was a 'Krishna > > devotee'. And actually never liked the fact that I had > > turned away from Christianity 20 years ago. > > > > Siva indeed is merciful! > > > > > The naive belief of there being critical number of > > > spiritual practitioners somehow making a positive change in this > > > world and its spiritual reason for being, and despite all this > > > influx of freely available religious thought, mantras, tantras > and > > > all the rest has simply not worked. > > > > How do you know this? And what would have happened, if people on > > this planet wouldn't worship God and wouldn't praise Him with all > > these mantras? > > Maybe things would look even worse. > > > > I can assure you we would have much bigger hell on Earth, if there > > weren't pious people being naive enough to chant the mantras and > > prayers...! > > > > > Some cynics say that mantras (just like gems) are merely symbols, > > > concrete forms that must be awakened, just as religious idols > must > > > or gemstones must before they come alive and can do what they are > > > capable of. > > > > I can assure you that some mantras are non-different from God > > Himself. The name of Lord Siva is non-different from the Lord > > Himself. All energies are in this name, which also counts for other > > Vishnu-tattvas, Siva-tattvas, Shakti-tattvas, and other expansions > > of God and His names. > > > > There may be many idiots and cynics that claim different, but the > > evidence will only be there for you, once you have tried it for > > yourself! Everybody gotta find out alone, nobody can do this for > > you. > > > > !om namah sivaya! > > > > Chant this, and your life will become more auspicious! > > > > Kind regards, > > Shad > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Curiously, after the invent of internet (some call it kali awatar > > or > > > kalki awataar), mantras have suddenly become thousand folds more > > > accessible. There are webpages after webpages with information > > about > > > it, mantra recordings galore, in voice (no more distortion of > > > pronounciation getting in the way of the dedicated sadhak) and > all > > > this information has only become so widely available in the last > > ten > > > years. Seekers have flocked to the fountain in hoardes, throngs > of > > > the thirsty travellers finally able to drink straight from the > > source > > > or better still, sources! More the merrier!! > > > > > > Yet in the last ten years, if one looks back, there have been > more > > > illnesses, more wars, more terrorism, more natural calamities and > > > disasters. The naive belief of there being critical number of > > > spiritual practitioners somehow making a positive change in this > > > world and its spiritual reason for being, and despite all this > > influx > > > of freely available religious thought, mantras, tantras and all > > the > > > rest has simply not worked. > > > > > > Something is missing, what? > > > > > > Some cynics say that mantras (just like gems) are merely symbols, > > > concrete forms that must be awakened, just as religious idols > must > > or > > > gemstones must before they come alive and can do what they are > > > capable of. > > > > > > Any light you can shine on the above? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Shad" > <waterpowers> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > Mantra has more power as the nuclear-bomb! > > > > best regards > > > > shad > > > > > > > > "om namaha sivaya" > > > > > > > > > > > > Teachings of Babaji: Mantra Bomb > > > > 20 APRIL 1980 > > > > > > > > Note: After the evening aarati, Babaji spoke at length about > the > > > > power of the > > > > mantra Om Namah Shivai. Some of his talk went as follows: > > > > > > > > "I am happy that you are all on the way of religion. I am > > > > encouraged. As in past > > > > times, in certain parts of Europe there was a sincere adoration > > of > > > > fire. > > > > > > > > Babaji then said "More than half of the people are oriented > > towards > > > > destruction" > > > > and went on to relate a story of how, at a time in the past > > > > (Mahabharata times), > > > > all the resources of Ravana's kingdom were used for the > creation > > of > > > > a bomb so > > > > large and powerful that it was even more powerful than those we > > > have > > > > today. Then > > > > some positive and creative forces got together and created > > > something > > > > that would > > > > be even more powerful than this enormous destructive bomb. They > > > > created the > > > > mantra bomb. > > > > > > > > "The mantra is still the only way." > > > > > > > > Babaji then gave two examples of survival and said that those > > who > > > > use the mantra > > > > will survive in the same way. > > > > > > > > First Example: When Lord Krishna was at a battle where > > everything > > > > was on fire, a > > > > locust came to pray at His feet. Krishna then placed His helmet > > > over > > > > the locust. > > > > Everything on the field was burned and killed, except the > > locust, > > > > which survived > > > > under Lord Krishna's helmet. > > > > > > > > Second Example: In a flour mill, all of the grain is ground up, > > > just > > > > like people > > > > are in the destructive process. A few grains escape because > they > > > are > > > > near the > > > > center pole and fall down and away from the grinding wheel. > > > > > > > > "I am happy that you are here. You should not waste your time > > while > > > > you are > > > > here. Have faith." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do what you Love. > > > > Live where you Love. > > > > Pray where you Love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Dear KAD, pranam! thank you for your reply. You are a real pundit and it is nice you again and again enlighten uswith your knowledge. > BUT, I feel your message, though not aimed at, indirectly points > at Hindu gods and Mantras being better in capacity It might seem indirectly in my message, which was not my intention. My intention was to inspire people to chant mantras and pray. I see in different religions spiritual diversity and unity, which is the beauty in these processes. Why Siva actually listened to my Grandma's prayers, and Jesus didn't - I don't know. And it is not important. God has some many expansions and so many servant, it doesn't really matter in the end who answer to your prayers. > Whatever god or demi-god of whichever > religion one chooses to worship or pray to, the > effect is all the same. I cannot really agree with you here. All shastra, such as vedanta and siddhanta say that we should not worship demi-God equal as incarnations of the vishnu-tattva or siva- tattva. If one puts demi-Gods on the same level as God, such as Krishna or Siva, and say, no matter, the result will be same the same if you pray to the demi-God, you make offenses and one DOES NOT receive the same results. Demi-Gods give material results. One can get better karma, prosperity and other material gain. They are jiva-tattva, means a soul as we human are, only they achieved a position according to their god karma on heavenly planets. Once their good karma is 'work off' they will take birth again at a place like Earth. God, vishnu-tattva or siva-tattva etc give transcendental results, beyond karma and guna. If one worships them, one can come to the spiritual sky like brahmajyoti, vaikunthas, siva-loka or other transcendental planets which are outside of our material universe and creation. All demi-God are subordinated to God, without permission of the Lord they cannot do anything. So, please, you as pundit, who really is scholared in shastra as I can see from your postings, don't teach the people demi-God worship and God worship is equal. Somebody might take that serious and you would receive great spiritual damage. Best regards, Shad , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> wrote: > > Dear Shad, > > Your conviction in Lord Shiva shall protect you and happy to see that > you are attracted to vedic line of thought. > BUT, I feel your message, though not aimed at, indirectly points at > Hindu gods and Mantras being better in capacity > and power, which is not true. Whatever god or demi-god of whichever > religion one chooses to worship or pray to, the > effect is all the same. I can show you a number of cases like your > granny's case even in India and outside, where > people got saved by their belief in JESUS or ALLAH or BUDDHA or > whomever they believed to get help from and never knew > Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra(MMM). > > It is the REALIZATION of self which brings about a change. Mantra- > Yantra-Tantra are all MATERIALISTIC in nature and are > tools for the DHARMA-ARTHA-KAMA and are VEDIC in their course. While > DHYAANA or meditation is a VEDANTA or YOGIC way and > NON-MATERIALISTIC and is a tool for MOKSHA. Why do you think VEDAS > which describe millions of Mantras of millions of gods > end as VEDANTA which says there is only one UNIQUE and TRUE SUPREME? > > Perhaps your granny had Mantra-sidhi yoga in her chart which led her > to learn MMM through casette, thats really fine! > If I were in your place, I would have given her a casette with > chantings of 'Parable of Lost Sheep' from The Holy Bible (St. Luke > Chap XV 1-19) > to reassure that her 80 year old conviction of JESUS would still > protect her. If anyone differs, it means MMM is more > powerful than prayers to Jesus, which contradicts Vedantic theories > supporting MMM! > > yours humbly, > KAD > , "Shad" <waterpowers> > wrote: > > > I give you a small example: > > > > Three years ago I could see in real life how this > > mantra saves lifes at my very own Grandmother. > > She was about to die being in hospital, experiencing > > her third lung-infection, at age of 80. Most people > > die at the first lung infection in this age, she had > > the third. > > > > When she saw death coming she asked her daughter, my > > aunt, to take me there to see my Grandma, she wanted > > to talk to me and ask me something. > > > > My aunt said that Grandma was very afraid of dying, > > and all the days she had been praying to Jesus to save > > her life, but the situation became worse and worse. > > > > My Grandma then told me that Jesus wouldn't hear er > > prayers anymore, as she requested Him to save her > > life. She then said 'maybe your Hindu-God is more > > merciful?' and save her life. If I knew a prayer for > > her. > > > > So I was in a desperate situation - what shall I do?! > > Tell her Krishna would save her life if she chanted > > harekrishna mantra? That would have been a lie. > > So I decided to give her the Mahamrityunjaya mantra, > > as in Vedas it is said it can save life - so I > > wouldn't lie at her. But honestly I didn't anymore > > believe she still had a chance. Not that I doubted in > > the mantra, but it was really late for her. Only a > > miracle could save her. If she had asked earlier... > > > > So I gave her a tape with the chants of the mantra and > > the printed mantra. My aunt learned how to chant the > > mantra, as she was all day with her mother and could > > teach her. > > > > This was on a Monday, and the doctors had suggested to > > prepare the funeral for the Sunday following. > > Everything was prepared. After three days my > > Grandmother left the hospital. And the doctor said, he > > doesn't understand, but she had a better blood than he > > does. > > > > On Sunday she visit the morning mess at church, and > > the priest was shocked to see her actually, as he had > > already taken the money for her very funeral. > > > > She lived a year more. Never before in her life she > > had heard about Lord Siva or believed in any other God > > than her Jesus and His Mother Mary. > > > > But facing death she chanted with ful heart, even > > being unconscious, she continued repeating the mantra. > > Even the doctors told me words of the mantra as they > > again and again heard it from her. > > > > One could tell us Hindus it is our belief, a placebo > > effect, but my Grandma never knew about Siva or the > > mantras praising Him. She only knew I was a 'Krishna > > devotee'. And actually never liked the fact that I had > > turned away from Christianity 20 years ago. > > > > Siva indeed is merciful! > > > > > The naive belief of there being critical number of > > > spiritual practitioners somehow making a positive change in this > > > world and its spiritual reason for being, and despite all this > > > influx of freely available religious thought, mantras, tantras > and > > > all the rest has simply not worked. > > > > How do you know this? And what would have happened, if people on > > this planet wouldn't worship God and wouldn't praise Him with all > > these mantras? > > Maybe things would look even worse. > > > > I can assure you we would have much bigger hell on Earth, if there > > weren't pious people being naive enough to chant the mantras and > > prayers...! > > > > > Some cynics say that mantras (just like gems) are merely symbols, > > > concrete forms that must be awakened, just as religious idols > must > > > or gemstones must before they come alive and can do what they are > > > capable of. > > > > I can assure you that some mantras are non-different from God > > Himself. The name of Lord Siva is non-different from the Lord > > Himself. All energies are in this name, which also counts for other > > Vishnu-tattvas, Siva-tattvas, Shakti-tattvas, and other expansions > > of God and His names. > > > > There may be many idiots and cynics that claim different, but the > > evidence will only be there for you, once you have tried it for > > yourself! Everybody gotta find out alone, nobody can do this for > > you. > > > > !om namah sivaya! > > > > Chant this, and your life will become more auspicious! > > > > Kind regards, > > Shad > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Curiously, after the invent of internet (some call it kali awatar > > or > > > kalki awataar), mantras have suddenly become thousand folds more > > > accessible. There are webpages after webpages with information > > about > > > it, mantra recordings galore, in voice (no more distortion of > > > pronounciation getting in the way of the dedicated sadhak) and > all > > > this information has only become so widely available in the last > > ten > > > years. Seekers have flocked to the fountain in hoardes, throngs > of > > > the thirsty travellers finally able to drink straight from the > > source > > > or better still, sources! More the merrier!! > > > > > > Yet in the last ten years, if one looks back, there have been > more > > > illnesses, more wars, more terrorism, more natural calamities and > > > disasters. The naive belief of there being critical number of > > > spiritual practitioners somehow making a positive change in this > > > world and its spiritual reason for being, and despite all this > > influx > > > of freely available religious thought, mantras, tantras and all > > the > > > rest has simply not worked. > > > > > > Something is missing, what? > > > > > > Some cynics say that mantras (just like gems) are merely symbols, > > > concrete forms that must be awakened, just as religious idols > must > > or > > > gemstones must before they come alive and can do what they are > > > capable of. > > > > > > Any light you can shine on the above? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Shad" > <waterpowers> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > Mantra has more power as the nuclear-bomb! > > > > best regards > > > > shad > > > > > > > > "om namaha sivaya" > > > > > > > > > > > > Teachings of Babaji: Mantra Bomb > > > > 20 APRIL 1980 > > > > > > > > Note: After the evening aarati, Babaji spoke at length about > the > > > > power of the > > > > mantra Om Namah Shivai. Some of his talk went as follows: > > > > > > > > "I am happy that you are all on the way of religion. I am > > > > encouraged. As in past > > > > times, in certain parts of Europe there was a sincere adoration > > of > > > > fire. > > > > > > > > Babaji then said "More than half of the people are oriented > > towards > > > > destruction" > > > > and went on to relate a story of how, at a time in the past > > > > (Mahabharata times), > > > > all the resources of Ravana's kingdom were used for the > creation > > of > > > > a bomb so > > > > large and powerful that it was even more powerful than those we > > > have > > > > today. Then > > > > some positive and creative forces got together and created > > > something > > > > that would > > > > be even more powerful than this enormous destructive bomb. They > > > > created the > > > > mantra bomb. > > > > > > > > "The mantra is still the only way." > > > > > > > > Babaji then gave two examples of survival and said that those > > who > > > > use the mantra > > > > will survive in the same way. > > > > > > > > First Example: When Lord Krishna was at a battle where > > everything > > > > was on fire, a > > > > locust came to pray at His feet. Krishna then placed His helmet > > > over > > > > the locust. > > > > Everything on the field was burned and killed, except the > > locust, > > > > which survived > > > > under Lord Krishna's helmet. > > > > > > > > Second Example: In a flour mill, all of the grain is ground up, > > > just > > > > like people > > > > are in the destructive process. A few grains escape because > they > > > are > > > > near the > > > > center pole and fall down and away from the grinding wheel. > > > > > > > > "I am happy that you are here. You should not waste your time > > while > > > > you are > > > > here. Have faith." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do what you Love. > > > > Live where you Love. > > > > Pray where you Love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 My humble opinion is : It is not the God It is not the Mantra It is one's belief that makes wishes come true. If you chant Mritunjaya Mantra, thinking it could please Jesus, and believe strongly that all your worries can be solved - ofcourse it will be solved. Belief comes first, then comes all other things - like radiations generated by mantras etc...etc... Regards Arvind Shad <waterpowers wrote: Dear KAD, pranam! thank you for your reply. You are a real pundit and it is nice you again and again enlighten uswith your knowledge. > BUT, I feel your message, though not aimed at, indirectly points > at Hindu gods and Mantras being better in capacity It might seem indirectly in my message, which was not my intention. My intention was to inspire people to chant mantras and pray. I see in different religions spiritual diversity and unity, which is the beauty in these processes. Why Siva actually listened to my Grandma's prayers, and Jesus didn't - I don't know. And it is not important. God has some many expansions and so many servant, it doesn't really matter in the end who answer to your prayers. > Whatever god or demi-god of whichever > religion one chooses to worship or pray to, the > effect is all the same. I cannot really agree with you here. All shastra, such as vedanta and siddhanta say that we should not worship demi-God equal as incarnations of the vishnu-tattva or siva- tattva. If one puts demi-Gods on the same level as God, such as Krishna or Siva, and say, no matter, the result will be same the same if you pray to the demi-God, you make offenses and one DOES NOT receive the same results. Demi-Gods give material results. One can get better karma, prosperity and other material gain. They are jiva-tattva, means a soul as we human are, only they achieved a position according to their god karma on heavenly planets. Once their good karma is 'work off' they will take birth again at a place like Earth. God, vishnu-tattva or siva-tattva etc give transcendental results, beyond karma and guna. If one worships them, one can come to the spiritual sky like brahmajyoti, vaikunthas, siva-loka or other transcendental planets which are outside of our material universe and creation. All demi-God are subordinated to God, without permission of the Lord they cannot do anything. So, please, you as pundit, who really is scholared in shastra as I can see from your postings, don't teach the people demi-God worship and God worship is equal. Somebody might take that serious and you would receive great spiritual damage. Best regards, Shad , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> wrote: > > Dear Shad, > > Your conviction in Lord Shiva shall protect you and happy to see that > you are attracted to vedic line of thought. > BUT, I feel your message, though not aimed at, indirectly points at > Hindu gods and Mantras being better in capacity > and power, which is not true. Whatever god or demi-god of whichever > religion one chooses to worship or pray to, the > effect is all the same. I can show you a number of cases like your > granny's case even in India and outside, where > people got saved by their belief in JESUS or ALLAH or BUDDHA or > whomever they believed to get help from and never knew > Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra(MMM). > > It is the REALIZATION of self which brings about a change. Mantra- > Yantra-Tantra are all MATERIALISTIC in nature and are > tools for the DHARMA-ARTHA-KAMA and are VEDIC in their course. While > DHYAANA or meditation is a VEDANTA or YOGIC way and > NON-MATERIALISTIC and is a tool for MOKSHA. Why do you think VEDAS > which describe millions of Mantras of millions of gods > end as VEDANTA which says there is only one UNIQUE and TRUE SUPREME? > > Perhaps your granny had Mantra-sidhi yoga in her chart which led her > to learn MMM through casette, thats really fine! > If I were in your place, I would have given her a casette with > chantings of 'Parable of Lost Sheep' from The Holy Bible (St. Luke > Chap XV 1-19) > to reassure that her 80 year old conviction of JESUS would still > protect her. If anyone differs, it means MMM is more > powerful than prayers to Jesus, which contradicts Vedantic theories > supporting MMM! > > yours humbly, > KAD > , "Shad" <waterpowers> > wrote: > > > I give you a small example: > > > > Three years ago I could see in real life how this > > mantra saves lifes at my very own Grandmother. > > She was about to die being in hospital, experiencing > > her third lung-infection, at age of 80. Most people > > die at the first lung infection in this age, she had > > the third. > > > > When she saw death coming she asked her daughter, my > > aunt, to take me there to see my Grandma, she wanted > > to talk to me and ask me something. > > > > My aunt said that Grandma was very afraid of dying, > > and all the days she had been praying to Jesus to save > > her life, but the situation became worse and worse. > > > > My Grandma then told me that Jesus wouldn't hear er > > prayers anymore, as she requested Him to save her > > life. She then said 'maybe your Hindu-God is more > > merciful?' and save her life. If I knew a prayer for > > her. > > > > So I was in a desperate situation - what shall I do?! > > Tell her Krishna would save her life if she chanted > > harekrishna mantra? That would have been a lie. > > So I decided to give her the Mahamrityunjaya mantra, > > as in Vedas it is said it can save life - so I > > wouldn't lie at her. But honestly I didn't anymore > > believe she still had a chance. Not that I doubted in > > the mantra, but it was really late for her. Only a > > miracle could save her. If she had asked earlier... > > > > So I gave her a tape with the chants of the mantra and > > the printed mantra. My aunt learned how to chant the > > mantra, as she was all day with her mother and could > > teach her. > > > > This was on a Monday, and the doctors had suggested to > > prepare the funeral for the Sunday following. > > Everything was prepared. After three days my > > Grandmother left the hospital. And the doctor said, he > > doesn't understand, but she had a better blood than he > > does. > > > > On Sunday she visit the morning mess at church, and > > the priest was shocked to see her actually, as he had > > already taken the money for her very funeral. > > > > She lived a year more. Never before in her life she > > had heard about Lord Siva or believed in any other God > > than her Jesus and His Mother Mary. > > > > But facing death she chanted with ful heart, even > > being unconscious, she continued repeating the mantra. > > Even the doctors told me words of the mantra as they > > again and again heard it from her. > > > > One could tell us Hindus it is our belief, a placebo > > effect, but my Grandma never knew about Siva or the > > mantras praising Him. She only knew I was a 'Krishna > > devotee'. And actually never liked the fact that I had > > turned away from Christianity 20 years ago. > > > > Siva indeed is merciful! > > > > > The naive belief of there being critical number of > > > spiritual practitioners somehow making a positive change in this > > > world and its spiritual reason for being, and despite all this > > > influx of freely available religious thought, mantras, tantras > and > > > all the rest has simply not worked. > > > > How do you know this? And what would have happened, if people on > > this planet wouldn't worship God and wouldn't praise Him with all > > these mantras? > > Maybe things would look even worse. > > > > I can assure you we would have much bigger hell on Earth, if there > > weren't pious people being naive enough to chant the mantras and > > prayers...! > > > > > Some cynics say that mantras (just like gems) are merely symbols, > > > concrete forms that must be awakened, just as religious idols > must > > > or gemstones must before they come alive and can do what they are > > > capable of. > > > > I can assure you that some mantras are non-different from God > > Himself. The name of Lord Siva is non-different from the Lord > > Himself. All energies are in this name, which also counts for other > > Vishnu-tattvas, Siva-tattvas, Shakti-tattvas, and other expansions > > of God and His names. > > > > There may be many idiots and cynics that claim different, but the > > evidence will only be there for you, once you have tried it for > > yourself! Everybody gotta find out alone, nobody can do this for > > you. > > > > !om namah sivaya! > > > > Chant this, and your life will become more auspicious! > > > > Kind regards, > > Shad > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Curiously, after the invent of internet (some call it kali awatar > > or > > > kalki awataar), mantras have suddenly become thousand folds more > > > accessible. There are webpages after webpages with information > > about > > > it, mantra recordings galore, in voice (no more distortion of > > > pronounciation getting in the way of the dedicated sadhak) and > all > > > this information has only become so widely available in the last > > ten > > > years. Seekers have flocked to the fountain in hoardes, throngs > of > > > the thirsty travellers finally able to drink straight from the > > source > > > or better still, sources! More the merrier!! > > > > > > Yet in the last ten years, if one looks back, there have been > more > > > illnesses, more wars, more terrorism, more natural calamities and > > > disasters. The naive belief of there being critical number of > > > spiritual practitioners somehow making a positive change in this > > > world and its spiritual reason for being, and despite all this > > influx > > > of freely available religious thought, mantras, tantras and all > > the > > > rest has simply not worked. > > > > > > Something is missing, what? > > > > > > Some cynics say that mantras (just like gems) are merely symbols, > > > concrete forms that must be awakened, just as religious idols > must > > or > > > gemstones must before they come alive and can do what they are > > > capable of. > > > > > > Any light you can shine on the above? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Shad" > <waterpowers> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > Mantra has more power as the nuclear-bomb! > > > > best regards > > > > shad > > > > > > > > "om namaha sivaya" > > > > > > > > > > > > Teachings of Babaji: Mantra Bomb > > > > 20 APRIL 1980 > > > > > > > > Note: After the evening aarati, Babaji spoke at length about > the > > > > power of the > > > > mantra Om Namah Shivai. Some of his talk went as follows: > > > > > > > > "I am happy that you are all on the way of religion. I am > > > > encouraged. As in past > > > > times, in certain parts of Europe there was a sincere adoration > > of > > > > fire. > > > > > > > > Babaji then said "More than half of the people are oriented > > towards > > > > destruction" > > > > and went on to relate a story of how, at a time in the past > > > > (Mahabharata times), > > > > all the resources of Ravana's kingdom were used for the > creation > > of > > > > a bomb so > > > > large and powerful that it was even more powerful than those we > > > have > > > > today. Then > > > > some positive and creative forces got together and created > > > something > > > > that would > > > > be even more powerful than this enormous destructive bomb. They > > > > created the > > > > mantra bomb. > > > > > > > > "The mantra is still the only way." > > > > > > > > Babaji then gave two examples of survival and said that those > > who > > > > use the mantra > > > > will survive in the same way. > > > > > > > > First Example: When Lord Krishna was at a battle where > > everything > > > > was on fire, a > > > > locust came to pray at His feet. Krishna then placed His helmet > > > over > > > > the locust. > > > > Everything on the field was burned and killed, except the > > locust, > > > > which survived > > > > under Lord Krishna's helmet. > > > > > > > > Second Example: In a flour mill, all of the grain is ground up, > > > just > > > > like people > > > > are in the destructive process. A few grains escape because > they > > > are > > > > near the > > > > center pole and fall down and away from the grinding wheel. > > > > > > > > "I am happy that you are here. You should not waste your time > > while > > > > you are > > > > here. Have faith." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do what you Love. > > > > Live where you Love. > > > > Pray where you Love. ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Sponsor Get unlimited calls to U.S./Canada / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Dear Ritu, you are right, meditation has a positive effect on us, it cleanses the mind and changes the consciousness to positive. The sense of meditation is to achieve the transcendental level, self-realization. That one recognizes and realizes one is not the body, but the atma, soul. But believe me, real meditation goes far beyond positive energies, totally relaxation and clearance of the body and soul of negativity. My point was to inspire the people to pray to God or chant the mantras that is almost the same. No matter which God we worship, may it be Siva, Krishna, Rama, Buddha, Jehovah, Jesus or whoever. Things are about worship and serving God. And God WILL reveal to you in your life, not only body mind and soul relax, there is a God that responds! Nowadays there is so much new-age meditation, that help the people to relax, but if you worship God, the relaxation come gratis with the package, as side-effect. One then doesn't have to worry about relaxation. Chant the holy names of the God you believe in, and don't allow cynics to tell you it only is a question of believe, there is a God and s/he will answer our prayers, always. God exists, if we believe or not. And he is not responsible for the chaos, wars and murder we humans have created on this planet. This is what we experience out there is the mirror of our soul. What is inside will result out in the material world. If we chant the holy names of the Lord, our mind will be cleared and our action towards the outside will convert to better. Kind regards, Shad , "Ritu Lalit" <ritulalit@h...> wrote: > > My personal experience has been that it is really the conviction - > not the mantra that helps. Meditation - especially the trance state > releases positive energies, totally relaxes the mind and body and > that clears the body and soul of negativity. For achieving the > trance state - one could use Hindu, Muslim, Christian or any other > mantras. I have seen catholic nuns saying the rosary have that glow > which comes with regular meditation, and even the sadhus who chant > the Shiv mantra, and the Budhist priests too. > > The paths may be different - the result is the same. > > Ritu > > > , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > wrote: > > > > Dear Shad, > > > > Your conviction in Lord Shiva shall protect you and happy to see > that > > you are attracted to vedic line of thought. > > BUT, I feel your message, though not aimed at, indirectly points at > > Hindu gods and Mantras being better in capacity > > and power, which is not true. Whatever god or demi-god of whichever > > religion one chooses to worship or pray to, the > > effect is all the same. I can show you a number of cases like your > > granny's case even in India and outside, where > > people got saved by their belief in JESUS or ALLAH or BUDDHA or > > whomever they believed to get help from and never knew > > Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra(MMM). > > > > It is the REALIZATION of self which brings about a change. Mantra- > > Yantra-Tantra are all MATERIALISTIC in nature and are > > tools for the DHARMA-ARTHA-KAMA and are VEDIC in their course. > While > > DHYAANA or meditation is a VEDANTA or YOGIC way and > > NON-MATERIALISTIC and is a tool for MOKSHA. Why do you think VEDAS > > which describe millions of Mantras of millions of gods > > end as VEDANTA which says there is only one UNIQUE and TRUE SUPREME? > > > > Perhaps your granny had Mantra-sidhi yoga in her chart which led > her > > to learn MMM through casette, thats really fine! > > If I were in your place, I would have given her a casette with > > chantings of 'Parable of Lost Sheep' from The Holy Bible (St. Luke > > Chap XV 1-19) > > to reassure that her 80 year old conviction of JESUS would still > > protect her. If anyone differs, it means MMM is more > > powerful than prayers to Jesus, which contradicts Vedantic theories > > supporting MMM! > > > > yours humbly, > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Shad" <waterpowers> > > wrote: > > > > > I give you a small example: > > > > > > Three years ago I could see in real life how this > > > mantra saves lifes at my very own Grandmother. > > > She was about to die being in hospital, experiencing > > > her third lung-infection, at age of 80. Most people > > > die at the first lung infection in this age, she had > > > the third. > > > > > > When she saw death coming she asked her daughter, my > > > aunt, to take me there to see my Grandma, she wanted > > > to talk to me and ask me something. > > > > > > My aunt said that Grandma was very afraid of dying, > > > and all the days she had been praying to Jesus to save > > > her life, but the situation became worse and worse. > > > > > > My Grandma then told me that Jesus wouldn't hear er > > > prayers anymore, as she requested Him to save her > > > life. She then said 'maybe your Hindu-God is more > > > merciful?' and save her life. If I knew a prayer for > > > her. > > > > > > So I was in a desperate situation - what shall I do?! > > > Tell her Krishna would save her life if she chanted > > > harekrishna mantra? That would have been a lie. > > > So I decided to give her the Mahamrityunjaya mantra, > > > as in Vedas it is said it can save life - so I > > > wouldn't lie at her. But honestly I didn't anymore > > > believe she still had a chance. Not that I doubted in > > > the mantra, but it was really late for her. Only a > > > miracle could save her. If she had asked earlier... > > > > > > So I gave her a tape with the chants of the mantra and > > > the printed mantra. My aunt learned how to chant the > > > mantra, as she was all day with her mother and could > > > teach her. > > > > > > This was on a Monday, and the doctors had suggested to > > > prepare the funeral for the Sunday following. > > > Everything was prepared. After three days my > > > Grandmother left the hospital. And the doctor said, he > > > doesn't understand, but she had a better blood than he > > > does. > > > > > > On Sunday she visit the morning mess at church, and > > > the priest was shocked to see her actually, as he had > > > already taken the money for her very funeral. > > > > > > She lived a year more. Never before in her life she > > > had heard about Lord Siva or believed in any other God > > > than her Jesus and His Mother Mary. > > > > > > But facing death she chanted with ful heart, even > > > being unconscious, she continued repeating the mantra. > > > Even the doctors told me words of the mantra as they > > > again and again heard it from her. > > > > > > One could tell us Hindus it is our belief, a placebo > > > effect, but my Grandma never knew about Siva or the > > > mantras praising Him. She only knew I was a 'Krishna > > > devotee'. And actually never liked the fact that I had > > > turned away from Christianity 20 years ago. > > > > > > Siva indeed is merciful! > > > > > > > The naive belief of there being critical number of > > > > spiritual practitioners somehow making a positive change in > this > > > > world and its spiritual reason for being, and despite all this > > > > influx of freely available religious thought, mantras, tantras > > and > > > > all the rest has simply not worked. > > > > > > How do you know this? And what would have happened, if people on > > > this planet wouldn't worship God and wouldn't praise Him with all > > > these mantras? > > > Maybe things would look even worse. > > > > > > I can assure you we would have much bigger hell on Earth, if > there > > > weren't pious people being naive enough to chant the mantras and > > > prayers...! > > > > > > > Some cynics say that mantras (just like gems) are merely > symbols, > > > > concrete forms that must be awakened, just as religious idols > > must > > > > or gemstones must before they come alive and can do what they > are > > > > capable of. > > > > > > I can assure you that some mantras are non-different from God > > > Himself. The name of Lord Siva is non-different from the Lord > > > Himself. All energies are in this name, which also counts for > other > > > Vishnu-tattvas, Siva-tattvas, Shakti-tattvas, and other > expansions > > > of God and His names. > > > > > > There may be many idiots and cynics that claim different, but the > > > evidence will only be there for you, once you have tried it for > > > yourself! Everybody gotta find out alone, nobody can do this for > > > you. > > > > > > !om namah sivaya! > > > > > > Chant this, and your life will become more auspicious! > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > Shad > > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > <rrgb@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Curiously, after the invent of internet (some call it kali > awatar > > > or > > > > kalki awataar), mantras have suddenly become thousand folds > more > > > > accessible. There are webpages after webpages with information > > > about > > > > it, mantra recordings galore, in voice (no more distortion of > > > > pronounciation getting in the way of the dedicated sadhak) and > > all > > > > this information has only become so widely available in the > last > > > ten > > > > years. Seekers have flocked to the fountain in hoardes, throngs > > of > > > > the thirsty travellers finally able to drink straight from the > > > source > > > > or better still, sources! More the merrier!! > > > > > > > > Yet in the last ten years, if one looks back, there have been > > more > > > > illnesses, more wars, more terrorism, more natural calamities > and > > > > disasters. The naive belief of there being critical number of > > > > spiritual practitioners somehow making a positive change in > this > > > > world and its spiritual reason for being, and despite all this > > > influx > > > > of freely available religious thought, mantras, tantras and all > > > the > > > > rest has simply not worked. > > > > > > > > Something is missing, what? > > > > > > > > Some cynics say that mantras (just like gems) are merely > symbols, > > > > concrete forms that must be awakened, just as religious idols > > must > > > or > > > > gemstones must before they come alive and can do what they are > > > > capable of. > > > > > > > > Any light you can shine on the above? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "Shad" > > <waterpowers> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > > > Mantra has more power as the nuclear-bomb! > > > > > best regards > > > > > shad > > > > > > > > > > "om namaha sivaya" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Teachings of Babaji: Mantra Bomb > > > > > 20 APRIL 1980 > > > > > > > > > > Note: After the evening aarati, Babaji spoke at length about > > the > > > > > power of the > > > > > mantra Om Namah Shivai. Some of his talk went as follows: > > > > > > > > > > "I am happy that you are all on the way of religion. I am > > > > > encouraged. As in past > > > > > times, in certain parts of Europe there was a sincere > adoration > > > of > > > > > fire. > > > > > > > > > > Babaji then said "More than half of the people are oriented > > > towards > > > > > destruction" > > > > > and went on to relate a story of how, at a time in the past > > > > > (Mahabharata times), > > > > > all the resources of Ravana's kingdom were used for the > > creation > > > of > > > > > a bomb so > > > > > large and powerful that it was even more powerful than those > we > > > > have > > > > > today. Then > > > > > some positive and creative forces got together and created > > > > something > > > > > that would > > > > > be even more powerful than this enormous destructive bomb. > They > > > > > created the > > > > > mantra bomb. > > > > > > > > > > "The mantra is still the only way." > > > > > > > > > > Babaji then gave two examples of survival and said that those > > > who > > > > > use the mantra > > > > > will survive in the same way. > > > > > > > > > > First Example: When Lord Krishna was at a battle where > > > everything > > > > > was on fire, a > > > > > locust came to pray at His feet. Krishna then placed His > helmet > > > > over > > > > > the locust. > > > > > Everything on the field was burned and killed, except the > > > locust, > > > > > which survived > > > > > under Lord Krishna's helmet. > > > > > > > > > > Second Example: In a flour mill, all of the grain is ground > up, > > > > just > > > > > like people > > > > > are in the destructive process. A few grains escape because > > they > > > > are > > > > > near the > > > > > center pole and fall down and away from the grinding wheel. > > > > > > > > > > "I am happy that you are here. You should not waste your time > > > while > > > > > you are > > > > > here. Have faith." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do what you Love. > > > > > Live where you Love. > > > > > Pray where you Love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Dear Arvind, > It is not the God No there is a God that answers our prayers. The believe is really very important, you are right, but the mercy of God is what decides in the end, not only our believe and mental state. It is not that we can make a deal 'we believe in you, God, and you gotta save our lifes', or even worse since we strongly believe we will NOT die, we in fact will not die. That is illusion. Believing or not, tomorrow morning the sun will rise. I may not believe I could die one day, but it anyway will happen. What you say means, your belief is above God - but this shall not happen, we must remain humble, and know we depend on the mercy of God. > It is not the Mantra In vedas it is written, for example, the name of Lord Vishnu is non- different from Vishnu Himself. So, if you don't want to believe in vedas, which scriptures do you acknowledge? > If you chant Mritunjaya Mantra, thinking it could please Jesus, > and believe strongly that all your worries can be solved - > ofcourse it will be solved. No, with the Mrityunjaya mantra you worship a specific deity of Lord Siva, not Jesus Christ. And it is NOT the same. Jesus Christ would be glad to see you worship the God, His father, because this is what He taught us all the time. So, if you want to please Jesus you must worship Him, with the prayers He gave you and follow His teachings. I love Jesus too. Kind regards, Shad , ArvindRaj <rajendracholan4u> wrote: > My humble opinion is : > It is not the God > It is not the Mantra > It is one's belief that makes wishes come true. > > If you chant Mritunjaya Mantra, thinking it could please Jesus, and believe strongly that all your worries can be solved - ofcourse it will be solved. > > Belief comes first, then comes all other things - like radiations generated by mantras etc...etc... > > Regards > Arvind > > > Shad <waterpowers> wrote: > > Dear KAD, pranam! > > thank you for your reply. You are a real pundit and it is nice you > again and again enlighten uswith your knowledge. > > > BUT, I feel your message, though not aimed at, indirectly points > > at Hindu gods and Mantras being better in capacity > > It might seem indirectly in my message, which was not my intention. > My intention was to inspire people to chant mantras and pray. > > I see in different religions spiritual diversity and unity, which is > the beauty in these processes. > > Why Siva actually listened to my Grandma's prayers, and Jesus > didn't - I don't know. And it is not important. > God has some many expansions and so many servant, it doesn't really > matter in the end who answer to your prayers. > > > Whatever god or demi-god of whichever > > religion one chooses to worship or pray to, the > > effect is all the same. > > I cannot really agree with you here. > All shastra, such as vedanta and siddhanta say that we should not > worship demi-God equal as incarnations of the vishnu-tattva or siva- > tattva. > If one puts demi-Gods on the same level as God, such as Krishna or > Siva, and say, no matter, the result will be same the same if you > pray to the demi-God, you make offenses and one DOES NOT receive the > same results. > > Demi-Gods give material results. One can get better karma, > prosperity and other material gain. They are jiva-tattva, means a > soul as we human are, only they achieved a position according to > their god karma on heavenly planets. Once their good karma is 'work > off' they will take birth again at a place like Earth. > > God, vishnu-tattva or siva-tattva etc give transcendental results, > beyond karma and guna. If one worships them, one can come to the > spiritual sky like brahmajyoti, vaikunthas, siva-loka or other > transcendental planets which are outside of our material universe > and creation. > > All demi-God are subordinated to God, without permission of the Lord > they cannot do anything. > > So, please, you as pundit, who really is scholared in shastra as I > can see from your postings, don't teach the people demi-God worship > and God worship is equal. > > Somebody might take that serious and you would receive great > spiritual damage. > > Best regards, > Shad > > > , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > wrote: > > > > Dear Shad, > > > > Your conviction in Lord Shiva shall protect you and happy to see > that > > you are attracted to vedic line of thought. > > BUT, I feel your message, though not aimed at, indirectly points > at > > Hindu gods and Mantras being better in capacity > > and power, which is not true. Whatever god or demi-god of > whichever > > religion one chooses to worship or pray to, the > > effect is all the same. I can show you a number of cases like your > > granny's case even in India and outside, where > > people got saved by their belief in JESUS or ALLAH or BUDDHA or > > whomever they believed to get help from and never knew > > Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra(MMM). > > > > It is the REALIZATION of self which brings about a change. Mantra- > > Yantra-Tantra are all MATERIALISTIC in nature and are > > tools for the DHARMA-ARTHA-KAMA and are VEDIC in their course. > While > > DHYAANA or meditation is a VEDANTA or YOGIC way and > > NON-MATERIALISTIC and is a tool for MOKSHA. Why do you think VEDAS > > which describe millions of Mantras of millions of gods > > end as VEDANTA which says there is only one UNIQUE and TRUE > SUPREME? > > > > Perhaps your granny had Mantra-sidhi yoga in her chart which led > her > > to learn MMM through casette, thats really fine! > > If I were in your place, I would have given her a casette with > > chantings of 'Parable of Lost Sheep' from The Holy Bible (St. Luke > > Chap XV 1-19) > > to reassure that her 80 year old conviction of JESUS would still > > protect her. If anyone differs, it means MMM is more > > powerful than prayers to Jesus, which contradicts Vedantic > theories > > supporting MMM! > > > > yours humbly, > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Shad" <waterpowers> > > wrote: > > > > > I give you a small example: > > > > > > Three years ago I could see in real life how this > > > mantra saves lifes at my very own Grandmother. > > > She was about to die being in hospital, experiencing > > > her third lung-infection, at age of 80. Most people > > > die at the first lung infection in this age, she had > > > the third. > > > > > > When she saw death coming she asked her daughter, my > > > aunt, to take me there to see my Grandma, she wanted > > > to talk to me and ask me something. > > > > > > My aunt said that Grandma was very afraid of dying, > > > and all the days she had been praying to Jesus to save > > > her life, but the situation became worse and worse. > > > > > > My Grandma then told me that Jesus wouldn't hear er > > > prayers anymore, as she requested Him to save her > > > life. She then said 'maybe your Hindu-God is more > > > merciful?' and save her life. If I knew a prayer for > > > her. > > > > > > So I was in a desperate situation - what shall I do?! > > > Tell her Krishna would save her life if she chanted > > > harekrishna mantra? That would have been a lie. > > > So I decided to give her the Mahamrityunjaya mantra, > > > as in Vedas it is said it can save life - so I > > > wouldn't lie at her. But honestly I didn't anymore > > > believe she still had a chance. Not that I doubted in > > > the mantra, but it was really late for her. Only a > > > miracle could save her. If she had asked earlier... > > > > > > So I gave her a tape with the chants of the mantra and > > > the printed mantra. My aunt learned how to chant the > > > mantra, as she was all day with her mother and could > > > teach her. > > > > > > This was on a Monday, and the doctors had suggested to > > > prepare the funeral for the Sunday following. > > > Everything was prepared. After three days my > > > Grandmother left the hospital. And the doctor said, he > > > doesn't understand, but she had a better blood than he > > > does. > > > > > > On Sunday she visit the morning mess at church, and > > > the priest was shocked to see her actually, as he had > > > already taken the money for her very funeral. > > > > > > She lived a year more. Never before in her life she > > > had heard about Lord Siva or believed in any other God > > > than her Jesus and His Mother Mary. > > > > > > But facing death she chanted with ful heart, even > > > being unconscious, she continued repeating the mantra. > > > Even the doctors told me words of the mantra as they > > > again and again heard it from her. > > > > > > One could tell us Hindus it is our belief, a placebo > > > effect, but my Grandma never knew about Siva or the > > > mantras praising Him. She only knew I was a 'Krishna > > > devotee'. And actually never liked the fact that I had > > > turned away from Christianity 20 years ago. > > > > > > Siva indeed is merciful! > > > > > > > The naive belief of there being critical number of > > > > spiritual practitioners somehow making a positive change in > this > > > > world and its spiritual reason for being, and despite all this > > > > influx of freely available religious thought, mantras, tantras > > and > > > > all the rest has simply not worked. > > > > > > How do you know this? And what would have happened, if people on > > > this planet wouldn't worship God and wouldn't praise Him with > all > > > these mantras? > > > Maybe things would look even worse. > > > > > > I can assure you we would have much bigger hell on Earth, if > there > > > weren't pious people being naive enough to chant the mantras and > > > prayers...! > > > > > > > Some cynics say that mantras (just like gems) are merely > symbols, > > > > concrete forms that must be awakened, just as religious idols > > must > > > > or gemstones must before they come alive and can do what they > are > > > > capable of. > > > > > > I can assure you that some mantras are non-different from God > > > Himself. The name of Lord Siva is non-different from the Lord > > > Himself. All energies are in this name, which also counts for > other > > > Vishnu-tattvas, Siva-tattvas, Shakti-tattvas, and other > expansions > > > of God and His names. > > > > > > There may be many idiots and cynics that claim different, but > the > > > evidence will only be there for you, once you have tried it for > > > yourself! Everybody gotta find out alone, nobody can do this for > > > you. > > > > > > !om namah sivaya! > > > > > > Chant this, and your life will become more auspicious! > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > Shad > > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > <rrgb@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Curiously, after the invent of internet (some call it kali > awatar > > > or > > > > kalki awataar), mantras have suddenly become thousand folds > more > > > > accessible. There are webpages after webpages with information > > > about > > > > it, mantra recordings galore, in voice (no more distortion of > > > > pronounciation getting in the way of the dedicated sadhak) and > > all > > > > this information has only become so widely available in the > last > > > ten > > > > years. Seekers have flocked to the fountain in hoardes, > throngs > > of > > > > the thirsty travellers finally able to drink straight from the > > > source > > > > or better still, sources! More the merrier!! > > > > > > > > Yet in the last ten years, if one looks back, there have been > > more > > > > illnesses, more wars, more terrorism, more natural calamities > and > > > > disasters. The naive belief of there being critical number of > > > > spiritual practitioners somehow making a positive change in > this > > > > world and its spiritual reason for being, and despite all this > > > influx > > > > of freely available religious thought, mantras, tantras and > all > > > the > > > > rest has simply not worked. > > > > > > > > Something is missing, what? > > > > > > > > Some cynics say that mantras (just like gems) are merely > symbols, > > > > concrete forms that must be awakened, just as religious idols > > must > > > or > > > > gemstones must before they come alive and can do what they are > > > > capable of. > > > > > > > > Any light you can shine on the above? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "Shad" > > <waterpowers> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > dear all, > > > > > > > > > > Mantra has more power as the nuclear-bomb! > > > > > best regards > > > > > shad > > > > > > > > > > "om namaha sivaya" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Teachings of Babaji: Mantra Bomb > > > > > 20 APRIL 1980 > > > > > > > > > > Note: After the evening aarati, Babaji spoke at length about > > the > > > > > power of the > > > > > mantra Om Namah Shivai. Some of his talk went as follows: > > > > > > > > > > "I am happy that you are all on the way of religion. I am > > > > > encouraged. As in past > > > > > times, in certain parts of Europe there was a sincere > adoration > > > of > > > > > fire. > > > > > > > > > > Babaji then said "More than half of the people are oriented > > > towards > > > > > destruction" > > > > > and went on to relate a story of how, at a time in the past > > > > > (Mahabharata times), > > > > > all the resources of Ravana's kingdom were used for the > > creation > > > of > > > > > a bomb so > > > > > large and powerful that it was even more powerful than those > we > > > > have > > > > > today. Then > > > > > some positive and creative forces got together and created > > > > something > > > > > that would > > > > > be even more powerful than this enormous destructive bomb. > They > > > > > created the > > > > > mantra bomb. > > > > > > > > > > "The mantra is still the only way." > > > > > > > > > > Babaji then gave two examples of survival and said that > those > > > who > > > > > use the mantra > > > > > will survive in the same way. > > > > > > > > > > First Example: When Lord Krishna was at a battle where > > > everything > > > > > was on fire, a > > > > > locust came to pray at His feet. Krishna then placed His > helmet > > > > over > > > > > the locust. > > > > > Everything on the field was burned and killed, except the > > > locust, > > > > > which survived > > > > > under Lord Krishna's helmet. > > > > > > > > > > Second Example: In a flour mill, all of the grain is ground > up, > > > > just > > > > > like people > > > > > are in the destructive process. A few grains escape because > > they > > > > are > > > > > near the > > > > > center pole and fall down and away from the grinding wheel. > > > > > > > > > > "I am happy that you are here. You should not waste your > time > > > while > > > > > you are > > > > > here. Have faith." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do what you Love. > > > > > Live where you Love. > > > > > Pray where you Love. > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > Sponsor > Get unlimited calls to > > U.S./Canada > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Shad, There are similar experiences in my family .. but since it's all hear say I wont recount them here .. I was curious to ask you ... "Om namah shivaya" donset need initiation? I am a huge fan of lord shiva ... but I stop repeating this mantra because I dont know the rules that go with it .. are you aware of any? --- Shad <waterpowers wrote: > > Dear Rohiniranjan, > > > Some cynics say that mantras (just like gems) are > merely symbols, > > concrete forms that must be awakened, just as > religious idols must > or > > gemstones must before they come alive and can do > what they are > > capable of. > > > > Any light you can shine on the above? > > I give you a small example: > > Three years ago I could see in real life how this > mantra saves lifes at my very own Grandmother. > She was about to die being in hospital, experiencing > her third lung-infection, at age of 80. Most people > die at the first lung infection in this age, she had > the third. > > When she saw death coming she asked her daughter, my > aunt, to take me there to see my Grandma, she wanted > to talk to me and ask me something. > > My aunt said that Grandma was very afraid of dying, > and all the days she had been praying to Jesus to > save > her life, but the situation became worse and worse. > > My Grandma then told me that Jesus wouldn't hear er > prayers anymore, as she requested Him to save her > life. She then said 'maybe your Hindu-God is more > merciful?' and save her life. If I knew a prayer for > her. > > So I was in a desperate situation - what shall I > do?! > Tell her Krishna would save her life if she chanted > harekrishna mantra? That would have been a lie. > So I decided to give her the Mahamrityunjaya mantra, > as in Vedas it is said it can save life - so I > wouldn't lie at her. But honestly I didn't anymore > believe she still had a chance. Not that I doubted > in > the mantra, but it was really late for her. Only a > miracle could save her. If she had asked earlier... > > So I gave her a tape with the chants of the mantra > and > the printed mantra. My aunt learned how to chant the > mantra, as she was all day with her mother and could > teach her. > > This was on a Monday, and the doctors had suggested > to > prepare the funeral for the Sunday following. > Everything was prepared. After three days my > Grandmother left the hospital. And the doctor said, > he > doesn't understand, but she had a better blood than > he > does. > > On Sunday she visit the morning mess at church, and > the priest was shocked to see her actually, as he > had > already taken the money for her very funeral. > > She lived a year more. Never before in her life she > had heard about Lord Siva or believed in any other > God > than her Jesus and His Mother Mary. > > But facing death she chanted with ful heart, even > being unconscious, she continued repeating the > mantra. > Even the doctors told me words of the mantra as they > again and again heard it from her. > > One could tell us Hindus it is our belief, a placebo > effect, but my Grandma never knew about Siva or the > mantras praising Him. She only knew I was a 'Krishna > devotee'. And actually never liked the fact that I > had > turned away from Christianity 20 years ago. > > Siva indeed is merciful! > > > The naive belief of there being critical number of > > > spiritual practitioners somehow making a positive > change in this > > world and its spiritual reason for being, and > despite all this > > influx of freely available religious thought, > mantras, tantras and > > all the rest has simply not worked. > > How do you know this? And what would have happened, > if people on > this planet wouldn't worship God and wouldn't praise > Him with all > these mantras? > Maybe things would look even worse. > > I can assure you we would have much bigger hell on > Earth, if there > weren't pious people being naive enough to chant the > mantras and > prayers...! > > > Some cynics say that mantras (just like gems) are > merely symbols, > > concrete forms that must be awakened, just as > religious idols must > > or gemstones must before they come alive and can > do what they are > > capable of. > > I can assure you that some mantras are non-different > from God > Himself. The name of Lord Siva is non-different from > the Lord > Himself. All energies are in this name, which also > counts for other > Vishnu-tattvas, Siva-tattvas, Shakti-tattvas, and > other expansions > of God and His names. > > There may be many idiots and cynics that claim > different, but the > evidence will only be there for you, once you have > tried it for > yourself! Everybody gotta find out alone, nobody can > do this for > you. > > !om namah sivaya! > > Chant this, and your life will become more > auspicious! > > Kind regards, > Shad > > > , > "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > > > Curiously, after the invent of internet (some call > it kali awatar > or > > kalki awataar), mantras have suddenly become > thousand folds more > > accessible. There are webpages after webpages with > information > about > > it, mantra recordings galore, in voice (no more > distortion of > > pronounciation getting in the way of the dedicated > sadhak) and all > > this information has only become so widely > available in the last > ten > > years. Seekers have flocked to the fountain in > hoardes, throngs of > > the thirsty travellers finally able to drink > straight from the > source > > or better still, sources! More the merrier!! > > > > Yet in the last ten years, if one looks back, > there have been more > > illnesses, more wars, more terrorism, more natural > calamities and > > disasters. The naive belief of there being > critical number of > > spiritual practitioners somehow making a positive > change in this > > world and its spiritual reason for being, and > despite all this > influx > > of freely available religious thought, mantras, > tantras and all > the > > rest has simply not worked. > > > > Something is missing, what? > > > > Some cynics say that mantras (just like gems) are > merely symbols, > > concrete forms that must be awakened, just as > religious idols must > or > > gemstones must before they come alive and can do > what they are > > capable of. > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Agree with u!! --- kadrudra <kadrudra wrote: > > Dear Shad, > > Your conviction in Lord Shiva shall protect you and > happy to see that > you are attracted to vedic line of thought. > BUT, I feel your message, though not aimed at, > indirectly points at > Hindu gods and Mantras being better in capacity > and power, which is not true. Whatever god or > demi-god of whichever > religion one chooses to worship or pray to, the > effect is all the same. I can show you a number of > cases like your > granny's case even in India and outside, where > people got saved by their belief in JESUS or ALLAH > or BUDDHA or > whomever they believed to get help from and never > knew > Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra(MMM). > > It is the REALIZATION of self which brings about a > change. Mantra- > Yantra-Tantra are all MATERIALISTIC in nature and > are > tools for the DHARMA-ARTHA-KAMA and are VEDIC in > their course. While > DHYAANA or meditation is a VEDANTA or YOGIC way and > NON-MATERIALISTIC and is a tool for MOKSHA. Why do > you think VEDAS > which describe millions of Mantras of millions of > gods > end as VEDANTA which says there is only one UNIQUE > and TRUE SUPREME? > > Perhaps your granny had Mantra-sidhi yoga in her > chart which led her > to learn MMM through casette, thats really fine! > If I were in your place, I would have given her a > casette with > chantings of 'Parable of Lost Sheep' from The Holy > Bible (St. Luke > Chap XV 1-19) > to reassure that her 80 year old conviction of JESUS > would still > protect her. If anyone differs, it means MMM is more > powerful than prayers to Jesus, which contradicts > Vedantic theories > supporting MMM! > > yours humbly, > KAD > , "Shad" > <waterpowers> > wrote: > > > I give you a small example: > > > > Three years ago I could see in real life how this > > mantra saves lifes at my very own Grandmother. > > She was about to die being in hospital, > experiencing > > her third lung-infection, at age of 80. Most > people > > die at the first lung infection in this age, she > had > > the third. > > > > When she saw death coming she asked her daughter, > my > > aunt, to take me there to see my Grandma, she > wanted > > to talk to me and ask me something. > > > > My aunt said that Grandma was very afraid of > dying, > > and all the days she had been praying to Jesus to > save > > her life, but the situation became worse and > worse. > > > > My Grandma then told me that Jesus wouldn't hear > er > > prayers anymore, as she requested Him to save her > > life. She then said 'maybe your Hindu-God is more > > merciful?' and save her life. If I knew a prayer > for > > her. > > > > So I was in a desperate situation - what shall I > do?! > > Tell her Krishna would save her life if she > chanted > > harekrishna mantra? That would have been a lie. > > So I decided to give her the Mahamrityunjaya > mantra, > > as in Vedas it is said it can save life - so I > > wouldn't lie at her. But honestly I didn't anymore > > believe she still had a chance. Not that I doubted > in > > the mantra, but it was really late for her. Only a > > miracle could save her. If she had asked > earlier... > > > > So I gave her a tape with the chants of the mantra > and > > the printed mantra. My aunt learned how to chant > the > > mantra, as she was all day with her mother and > could > > teach her. > > > > This was on a Monday, and the doctors had > suggested to > > prepare the funeral for the Sunday following. > > Everything was prepared. After three days my > > Grandmother left the hospital. And the doctor > said, he > > doesn't understand, but she had a better blood > than he > > does. > > > > On Sunday she visit the morning mess at church, > and > > the priest was shocked to see her actually, as he > had > > already taken the money for her very funeral. > > > > She lived a year more. Never before in her life > she > > had heard about Lord Siva or believed in any other > God > > than her Jesus and His Mother Mary. > > > > But facing death she chanted with ful heart, even > > being unconscious, she continued repeating the > mantra. > > Even the doctors told me words of the mantra as > they > > again and again heard it from her. > > > > One could tell us Hindus it is our belief, a > placebo > > effect, but my Grandma never knew about Siva or > the > > mantras praising Him. She only knew I was a > 'Krishna > > devotee'. And actually never liked the fact that I > had > > turned away from Christianity 20 years ago. > > > > Siva indeed is merciful! > > > > > The naive belief of there being critical number > of > > > spiritual practitioners somehow making a > positive change in this > > > world and its spiritual reason for being, and > despite all this > > > influx of freely available religious thought, > mantras, tantras > and > > > all the rest has simply not worked. > > > > How do you know this? And what would have > happened, if people on > > this planet wouldn't worship God and wouldn't > praise Him with all > > these mantras? > > Maybe things would look even worse. > > > > I can assure you we would have much bigger hell on > Earth, if there > > weren't pious people being naive enough to chant > the mantras and > > prayers...! > > > > > Some cynics say that mantras (just like gems) > are merely symbols, > > > concrete forms that must be awakened, just as > religious idols > must > > > or gemstones must before they come alive and can > do what they are > > > capable of. > > > > I can assure you that some mantras are > non-different from God > > Himself. The name of Lord Siva is non-different > from the Lord > > Himself. All energies are in this name, which also > counts for other > > Vishnu-tattvas, Siva-tattvas, Shakti-tattvas, and > other expansions > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Arvind, The starting point of belief is always experience .. if u practice a mantra u will experience weather u believe in it or not .. belief then will add to the strength subsequently ! --- ArvindRaj <rajendracholan4u wrote: > My humble opinion is : > It is not the God > It is not the Mantra > It is one's belief that makes wishes come true. > > If you chant Mritunjaya Mantra, thinking it could > please Jesus, and believe strongly that all your > worries can be solved - ofcourse it will be solved. > > Belief comes first, then comes all other things - > like radiations generated by mantras etc...etc... > > Regards > Arvind > > > Shad <waterpowers wrote: > > Dear KAD, pranam! > > thank you for your reply. You are a real pundit and > it is nice you > again and again enlighten uswith your knowledge. > > > BUT, I feel your message, though not aimed at, > indirectly points > > at Hindu gods and Mantras being better in capacity > > It might seem indirectly in my message, which was > not my intention. > My intention was to inspire people to chant mantras > and pray. > > I see in different religions spiritual diversity and > unity, which is > the beauty in these processes. > > Why Siva actually listened to my Grandma's prayers, > and Jesus > didn't - I don't know. And it is not important. > God has some many expansions and so many servant, it > doesn't really > matter in the end who answer to your prayers. > > > Whatever god or demi-god of whichever > > religion one chooses to worship or pray to, the > > effect is all the same. > > I cannot really agree with you here. > All shastra, such as vedanta and siddhanta say that > we should not > worship demi-God equal as incarnations of the > vishnu-tattva or siva- > tattva. > If one puts demi-Gods on the same level as God, such > as Krishna or > Siva, and say, no matter, the result will be same > the same if you > pray to the demi-God, you make offenses and one DOES > NOT receive the > same results. > > Demi-Gods give material results. One can get better > karma, > prosperity and other material gain. They are > jiva-tattva, means a > soul as we human are, only they achieved a position > according to > their god karma on heavenly planets. Once their good > karma is 'work > off' they will take birth again at a place like > Earth. > > God, vishnu-tattva or siva-tattva etc give > transcendental results, > beyond karma and guna. If one worships them, one can > come to the > spiritual sky like brahmajyoti, vaikunthas, > siva-loka or other > transcendental planets which are outside of our > material universe > and creation. > > All demi-God are subordinated to God, without > permission of the Lord > they cannot do anything. > > So, please, you as pundit, who really is scholared > in shastra as I > can see from your postings, don't teach the people > demi-God worship > and God worship is equal. > > Somebody might take that serious and you would > receive great > spiritual damage. > > Best regards, > Shad > > > , "kadrudra" > <kadrudra> > wrote: > > > > Dear Shad, > > > > Your conviction in Lord Shiva shall protect you > and happy to see > that > > you are attracted to vedic line of thought. > > BUT, I feel your message, though not aimed at, > indirectly points > at > > Hindu gods and Mantras being better in capacity > > and power, which is not true. Whatever god or > demi-god of > whichever > > religion one chooses to worship or pray to, the > > effect is all the same. I can show you a number of > cases like your > > granny's case even in India and outside, where > > people got saved by their belief in JESUS or ALLAH > or BUDDHA or > > whomever they believed to get help from and never > knew > > Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra(MMM). > > > > It is the REALIZATION of self which brings about a > change. Mantra- > > Yantra-Tantra are all MATERIALISTIC in nature and > are > > tools for the DHARMA-ARTHA-KAMA and are VEDIC in > their course. > While > > DHYAANA or meditation is a VEDANTA or YOGIC way > and > > NON-MATERIALISTIC and is a tool for MOKSHA. Why do > you think VEDAS > > which describe millions of Mantras of millions of > gods > > end as VEDANTA which says there is only one UNIQUE > and TRUE > SUPREME? > > > > Perhaps your granny had Mantra-sidhi yoga in her > chart which led > her > > to learn MMM through casette, thats really fine! > > If I were in your place, I would have given her a > casette with > > chantings of 'Parable of Lost Sheep' from The Holy > Bible (St. Luke > > Chap XV 1-19) > > to reassure that her 80 year old conviction of > JESUS would still > > protect her. If anyone differs, it means MMM is > more > > powerful than prayers to Jesus, which contradicts > Vedantic > theories > > supporting MMM! > > > > yours humbly, > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Shad" > <waterpowers> > > wrote: > > > > > I give you a small example: > > > > > > Three years ago I could see in real life how > this > > > mantra saves lifes at my very own Grandmother. > > > She was about to die being in hospital, > experiencing > > > her third lung-infection, at age of 80. Most > people > > > die at the first lung infection in this age, she > had > > > the third. > > > > > > When she saw death coming she asked her > daughter, my > > > aunt, to take me there to see my Grandma, she > wanted > > > to talk to me and ask me something. > > > > > > My aunt said that Grandma was very afraid of > dying, > > > and all the days she had been praying to Jesus > to save > > > her life, but the situation became worse and > worse. > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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