To Sreelatha garu and shad re. Om Namah Shivaya

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

I was down with a Viral, and just came to check my

client mails ...

 

Before I say anything, I would like to say that I am

really glad that I know a person called Sreelatha garu

.... it truly feels good to read your mails (This

remedy of reading your postings helps me !!)

 

Dear Shad, your knowledge is quite astounding .. I am

really curious to know however if the Haidekan baba

you are talking about is directly/indirectly related

to Maha avataar baba? there are so many spiritual

connections which are interesting to note ... there

are so many doubts that plague my mind often lets see

if we can share view one on one?

 

 

Coming back to the topic, when I embarked on trying

mantras I was indiscreminate .. I messed with some

mantras that messed me (I dont know if remedies work,

but I can vouche that they surely work negatively if

you dont do them properly) ...

 

The problem was addressed by Shad, my problem is that

the moment I catch hold of mantra I dissolve into it

and I seem to get totally lost into it in a strange

way (this tendency is gone now) ...

 

I know for a fact that sometimes when a guru initiates

a disciple he gives them a one line mantra to meditate

upon (like Om namah shivaya) ... and since I almost

always seem to get into the meditative mold I am

always worried of doing any mantra without know the

other things that go with the mantra that you should

be doing ...

 

long time ago when I asked a learned person (who at

the time was in a hurry) if I can repeat "Om namah

shivaya" anytime I wanted .. he told me not to do so

and chant "Shivaya namaha" if I wanted to ...

He quickly said "Om namo bhagavate vasudevaya", "OM

namah shivaya" and "Om namo narayanaya" are all

positive mantras but should not be done as u like them

... he told me these mantras are better when instilled

by a person for ur specific needs ...

 

so then this was the source of all my doubts ... but

now I feel that maybe I should do them but maybe after

my sandhyavandan or so ...

 

Srelatha garu ... I have 3 planets in my 6th house

venus (7th and 12th lord) Merc (8th and 11th) and Mars

(1st and 6th lord) (scorp ascendant) ... however my

3rd house of capricorn does not have any planet ( I

presume its devoid of any big influences - also saturn

is in the 9th house of mercury) ... are there any

views as to moving the energy from 3rd to 6th in such

cases can be beneficial ??

 

Thanks again for ur wonderful views !

 

Thanks,

Surya.

 

--- "V. Sreelatha" <venkatarama_sastry

wrote:

 

>

> Dear Inder,

>

> Yes, this is from one of Sanjay Ji's books, can't

> remember which one

> off the top of my head. I am guessing that it is the

> Vedic Remedies

> book, since it seems to fit the topic.

>

> The concept is very simple, actually. Count the

> number of words in

> the mantra. This is the house that the energy is

> taken from. So, in

> Om Namah Shivaya, there are 3 words, hence the third

> house. Now

> count the number of "aksharas". I suppose akshara

> can be roughly

> translated to syllables, but I find it easier to

> imagine the mantra

> written in any Indian language and then take each

> discrete "akshar",

> along with the associated "maatras". So, Om is one

> akshar, Namah has

> two, and Shivaya has three, making it a total of 6

> aksharas. This is

> the house that the energy is drawn to. (There is

> also the concept of

> where the mantradevatha sits, based on these two

> counts, but I don't

> know what the practical application of that is.)

>

> This is one of the factors that Sanjay Ji recommends

> that

> astrologers consider while giving a mantra to a

> native, see which

> house needs strengthening, which devatha needs

> strenghtening etc,

> and how to add beeja mantras as suffixes or prefixes

> as needed to

> come up with the right count. There are many other

> factors regarding

> the suitability of mantras too, based on janma

> nakshatra, name etc.

> in his books. However, all siddha mantras, like the

> Om Namah Shivaya

> we are talking about, are exempt from these checks,

> since they are

> designed to be good for all charts. Another siddha

> mantra that I

> remember from Sanjay Ji's list and use constantly is

> Om Namo

> Naaraayanaya. Most siddha mantras seem to target the

> 6th, 8th or the

> 12th houses, which are the common problems for most

> people, and

> hence these mantras help everyone in general.

>

> -sreelatha

>

> , "Inder"

> <indervohra2001> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreelatha,

> > This concept of 3rd house to 6th house . and 2nd

> house to 5th

> house

> > seem to be very interesting.

> > Could you further explain how you concluded this

> or from where you

> > read this.Pt.Sanjay Rath book??

> > Inder

> > , "V.

> Sreelatha"

> > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> > >

> > > > I was curious to ask you ... "Om namah

> shivaya" donset

> > > > need initiation? I am a huge fan of lord shiva

> ... but

> > > > I stop repeating this mantra because I dont

> know the

> > > > rules that go with it .. are you aware of any?

>

> > >

> > > Dear Surya,

> > >

> > > I hope you don't mind me responding to this

> question.

> > >

> > > First of all, yes, Om Namah Shivaya is a Siddha

> mantram, which

> > means

> > > that anyone can obtain the full benefit of it

> with or without

> > > initiation.

> > >

> > > Secondly, I believe that if a mantra is chanted

> with sincerity

> and

> > > devotion, it will never do any harm. Suppose

> your toddler is

> > trying

> > > to say "Daddy", but he only manages "Da-Da".

> Will you be angry

> > with

> > > him about the mispronunciation? Or will you

> ignore him until he

> > > masters saying it the right way? Or will you

> come to him, and

> help

> > > him anyway, since you know his intentions? If we

> believe that

> the

> > > Lord is more compassionate than any human, why

> would we ever

> think

> > > that He/She would not be at least as kind as a

> human parent?

> > >

> > > Sanjay Rath Ji has written a wonderful book

> called Vedic

> Remedies

> > in

> > > Astrology where he discusses Mantra Shastra in

> detail. After

> > > elaborate discussions, he too concedes that

> there is no

> substitute

> > > for sincere devotion, and that *any* mantra

> chanted with

> devotion

> > > will give results. BTW, he also has a list of

> mantras that are

> > > exempt from rules re. initiation, and Om Namah

> Shivaya is one of

> > > them, as are other popular mantras. This is the

> traditional view

> > too.

> > >

> > > Om Namah Shivaya takes energy from the 3rd house

> of the

> horoscope

> > > and gives it to the 6th. The third house is the

> parakrama house,

> > > where all desires, passions etc. originate. The

> sixth house is

> the

> > > house of enemies. The greatest enemeies of man

> are inside

> oneself,

> > > these are the shadripu, the Six Enemies, Kaama

> (lust), Krodha

> > > (anger), Lobha (greed), Moha (illusion), Mada

> (arrogance) and

> > > Maschara (avarice). Hence,this great mantra

> provides two

> benefits

> > at

> > > one time. Our desires and passions are the root

> cause of all our

> > > suffering, and these are lessened.

> Simultaneouly, we have more

> > > strength to defeat the internal enemies that

> cause unnecessary

> > > grief.

> > >

> > > There is another variation on this mantra, Namah

> Shivaya. This

> > > mantra takes the energy from the 2nd house and

> gives to the 5th.

> > > This is the popular Panchaakshari, and is

> considered an ideal

> > mantra

> > > for a householder, since the spiritual blessings

> from the family

> > and

> > > lineage (2nd) are passed on to the offspring

> (5th). Om is called

> > the

> > > Guru Beeja or the Moksha beeja, and the addition

> of OM to this

> > > mantra leads one to ultimate salvation.

> (previous para)

> > >

> > > Yes, there are some mantras that you are

> supposed to chant to

> > > certain meters, at certain times etc etc. My

> experience has been

> > > that if you start chanting with devotion, the

> meter (chandassu)

> > etc

> > > will come by themselves ... sooner or later I

> fell into a rythem

> > > without knowing it, and later came to learn that

> this was indeed

> > the

> > > correct rhythem! Guidance will come....

> > >

> > > All of this is ONLY for mantras that are chanted

> for positive

> > > outcomes - mantras to cause evil to others are

> another

=== message truncated ===

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Surya,

pranam.

 

> Dear Shad, your knowledge is quite astounding .. I am

> really curious to know however if the Haidekan baba

> you are talking about is directly/indirectly related

> to Maha avataar baba? there are so many spiritual

> connections which are interesting to note ... there

> are so many doubts that plague my mind often lets see

> If we can share view one on one?

 

It is said He is the Maha Avataar Baba Yogananda speaks about in his

book 'Autobiography of a yogi'. In this form He is worshipped as

Haidakhan Baba.

I know one of His close disciples a lady from Nebraska, her name is

Marge, and she makes the website of Haidakhan Baba I sent you.

She is His disciple and had personal association with Baba, when He

still was present on this planet.

 

You can see picture of her with Babaji and read some of the stories

of her time with Him in the "Personal Stories" section of

www.babaji.net. You can write Marge and ask her about Babaji:-) Her

email is somewhere on the site.

 

My greatest desire is to be accepted as shiksha disciple by Baba, as

I am very devoted to Him and His teachings.

 

> there are so many spiritual

> connections which are interesting to note ... there

> are so many doubts that plague my mind often lets see

> If we can share view one on one?

 

Please, feel free to be in touch and reveal what plagues you. I am

always happy when I can be of help to the devotees! You can also

mail me private at waterpowers

 

> long time ago when I asked a learned person (who at

> the time was in a hurry) if I can repeat "Om namah

> shivaya" anytime I wanted .. he told me not to do so

> and chant "Shivaya namaha" if I wanted to ...

> He quickly said "Om namo bhagavate vasudevaya", "OM

> namah shivaya" and "Om namo narayanaya" are all

> positive mantras but should not be done as u like them

> .. he told me these mantras are better when instilled

> by a person for ur specific needs ...

 

Sreelatha gave you a perfect explanation – you do not need to be

afraid of chanting the holy names of Lord Siva and that you might

receive reaction, as chanting without initiation. On the other hand

the learned person was right, when saying it usually is better when

the mantra is installed by a specific person (guru or sadhu) for

specific purpose.

 

How to explain this?

All the miseries in life come from our forgetting about God and our

real self. Those are the dualities of the material world and the

bodily conception of life, which make us suffer.

 

You might agree with me that every living being here runs after

happiness – this is the nature of the soul to seek happiness or to

be happy, because its nature is sacidananda, to be ful of knowledge,

happiness and eternal.

It is not natural to be unhappy and it is our duty to be happy.

 

But I can assure you that real happiness cannot only achieved by

mundane comfort, such as money, name, fame and glory. This alone

cannot satisfy us - the atman, the soul.

This is why we are unhappy, as we pursue only the mundane values.

 

It is in the nature of the soul to love God and have a personal

relationship with him. Real happiness comes from the depth of the

soul and not from external bliss.

 

In the Vedas it is written that Siva is the spiritual father of all

living beings. It is the right of every living being to love its

father. It is not only the privilege of the initiated or the Brahmin

caste. One does not have to fear calling the names of ones God or

Father, as Sreelatha said, which father would mind if we called Da-

da instead of Daddy?!

 

Which father or God would mind about this and punish us??

 

Krishna in the Bhagavat Geeta says one who is pious has nothing to

fear, not in this lifetime nor in a next. Everything good will come

to such a pious person.

Material happiness and comfort are assured for pious people. This is

the side effect of being religious or pious.

 

On the other hand if you want to achieve a transcendental platform,

Brahmajyoti, Vaikuntha, Sivaloka for example then the authorities of

the vedas recommend that one accepts initiation by a sadhu or guru

of a bonafide line or parampara. Only through a saint or sadhu one

is able to serve God, not by the only little self, as we are

conditioned by karma and guna.

This is why we need the guidance of guru and initiation.

 

There are also mantras, one needs to worship deities or to do

yagnas, etc. And those can only be chanted by one who is learned and

qualified for this mantras. If someone else chants those, s/he will

receive reactions, which can also be very bad. Many rules and

regulations must be followed here, which in the beginning sound

complicated, but once learned can be easily followed.

 

Mahamantras are meant or given to everyone, so it can be chanted.

Now it simply depends on what your goal is, what do you want to

achieve? Do you want to live a pious life, or do you want to walk on

the spiritual path and put an end to the weel of birth and death,

samskara?

 

In our Vsihnava line I once asked a sadhu how one can achieve

perfection in bhakti yoga or japa yoga, the chanting of the holy

names. He gave me a prayer the Lord Himself had spoken, where it is

described how we should chant.

If one chants in this attitude for sure one can reach the

transcendental goal.

 

> trnad api sunicena

> taror api sahisnuna

> amanina manadena

> kirtaniyah sada harih

 

> One should chant the holy name of the Lord in a humble state of

> mind, thinking oneself lower than the straw in the street; one

> should be more tolerant than a tree, devoid of all sense of false

> prestige, and should be ready to offer all respect to others. In

> such a state of mind one can chant the holy name of the Lord

> constantly.

 

Kindest regards,

Shad

 

!om namaha sivaya!

!harekrishna!

 

 

, surya vishnubhotla

<surya_prakashv> wrote:

> Hello,

>

> I was down with a Viral, and just came to check my

> client mails ...

>

> Before I say anything, I would like to say that I am

> really glad that I know a person called Sreelatha garu

> ... it truly feels good to read your mails (This

> remedy of reading your postings helps me !!)

>

> Dear Shad, your knowledge is quite astounding .. I am

> really curious to know however if the Haidekan baba

> you are talking about is directly/indirectly related

> to Maha avataar baba? there are so many spiritual

> connections which are interesting to note ... there

> are so many doubts that plague my mind often lets see

> if we can share view one on one?

>

>

> Coming back to the topic, when I embarked on trying

> mantras I was indiscreminate .. I messed with some

> mantras that messed me (I dont know if remedies work,

> but I can vouche that they surely work negatively if

> you dont do them properly) ...

>

> The problem was addressed by Shad, my problem is that

> the moment I catch hold of mantra I dissolve into it

> and I seem to get totally lost into it in a strange

> way (this tendency is gone now) ...

>

> I know for a fact that sometimes when a guru initiates

> a disciple he gives them a one line mantra to meditate

> upon (like Om namah shivaya) ... and since I almost

> always seem to get into the meditative mold I am

> always worried of doing any mantra without know the

> other things that go with the mantra that you should

> be doing ...

>

> long time ago when I asked a learned person (who at

> the time was in a hurry) if I can repeat "Om namah

> shivaya" anytime I wanted .. he told me not to do so

> and chant "Shivaya namaha" if I wanted to ...

> He quickly said "Om namo bhagavate vasudevaya", "OM

> namah shivaya" and "Om namo narayanaya" are all

> positive mantras but should not be done as u like them

> .. he told me these mantras are better when instilled

> by a person for ur specific needs ...

>

> so then this was the source of all my doubts ... but

> now I feel that maybe I should do them but maybe after

> my sandhyavandan or so ...

>

> Srelatha garu ... I have 3 planets in my 6th house

> venus (7th and 12th lord) Merc (8th and 11th) and Mars

> (1st and 6th lord) (scorp ascendant) ... however my

> 3rd house of capricorn does not have any planet ( I

> presume its devoid of any big influences - also saturn

> is in the 9th house of mercury) ... are there any

> views as to moving the energy from 3rd to 6th in such

> cases can be beneficial ??

>

> Thanks again for ur wonderful views !

>

> Thanks,

> Surya.

>

> --- "V. Sreelatha" <venkatarama_sastry>

> wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Inder,

> >

> > Yes, this is from one of Sanjay Ji's books, can't

> > remember which one

> > off the top of my head. I am guessing that it is the

> > Vedic Remedies

> > book, since it seems to fit the topic.

> >

> > The concept is very simple, actually. Count the

> > number of words in

> > the mantra. This is the house that the energy is

> > taken from. So, in

> > Om Namah Shivaya, there are 3 words, hence the third

> > house. Now

> > count the number of "aksharas". I suppose akshara

> > can be roughly

> > translated to syllables, but I find it easier to

> > imagine the mantra

> > written in any Indian language and then take each

> > discrete "akshar",

> > along with the associated "maatras". So, Om is one

> > akshar, Namah has

> > two, and Shivaya has three, making it a total of 6

> > aksharas. This is

> > the house that the energy is drawn to. (There is

> > also the concept of

> > where the mantradevatha sits, based on these two

> > counts, but I don't

> > know what the practical application of that is.)

> >

> > This is one of the factors that Sanjay Ji recommends

> > that

> > astrologers consider while giving a mantra to a

> > native, see which

> > house needs strengthening, which devatha needs

> > strenghtening etc,

> > and how to add beeja mantras as suffixes or prefixes

> > as needed to

> > come up with the right count. There are many other

> > factors regarding

> > the suitability of mantras too, based on janma

> > nakshatra, name etc.

> > in his books. However, all siddha mantras, like the

> > Om Namah Shivaya

> > we are talking about, are exempt from these checks,

> > since they are

> > designed to be good for all charts. Another siddha

> > mantra that I

> > remember from Sanjay Ji's list and use constantly is

> > Om Namo

> > Naaraayanaya. Most siddha mantras seem to target the

> > 6th, 8th or the

> > 12th houses, which are the common problems for most

> > people, and

> > hence these mantras help everyone in general.

> >

> > -sreelatha

> >

> > , "Inder"

> > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreelatha,

> > > This concept of 3rd house to 6th house . and 2nd

> > house to 5th

> > house

> > > seem to be very interesting.

> > > Could you further explain how you concluded this

> > or from where you

> > > read this.Pt.Sanjay Rath book??

> > > Inder

> > > , "V.

> > Sreelatha"

> > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > I was curious to ask you ... "Om namah

> > shivaya" donset

> > > > > need initiation? I am a huge fan of lord shiva

> > ... but

> > > > > I stop repeating this mantra because I dont

> > know the

> > > > > rules that go with it .. are you aware of any?

> >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Surya,

> > > >

> > > > I hope you don't mind me responding to this

> > question.

> > > >

> > > > First of all, yes, Om Namah Shivaya is a Siddha

> > mantram, which

> > > means

> > > > that anyone can obtain the full benefit of it

> > with or without

> > > > initiation.

> > > >

> > > > Secondly, I believe that if a mantra is chanted

> > with sincerity

> > and

> > > > devotion, it will never do any harm. Suppose

> > your toddler is

> > > trying

> > > > to say "Daddy", but he only manages "Da-Da".

> > Will you be angry

> > > with

> > > > him about the mispronunciation? Or will you

> > ignore him until he

> > > > masters saying it the right way? Or will you

> > come to him, and

> > help

> > > > him anyway, since you know his intentions? If we

> > believe that

> > the

> > > > Lord is more compassionate than any human, why

> > would we ever

> > think

> > > > that He/She would not be at least as kind as a

> > human parent?

> > > >

> > > > Sanjay Rath Ji has written a wonderful book

> > called Vedic

> > Remedies

> > > in

> > > > Astrology where he discusses Mantra Shastra in

> > detail. After

> > > > elaborate discussions, he too concedes that

> > there is no

> > substitute

> > > > for sincere devotion, and that *any* mantra

> > chanted with

> > devotion

> > > > will give results. BTW, he also has a list of

> > mantras that are

> > > > exempt from rules re. initiation, and Om Namah

> > Shivaya is one of

> > > > them, as are other popular mantras. This is the

> > traditional view

> > > too.

> > > >

> > > > Om Namah Shivaya takes energy from the 3rd house

> > of the

> > horoscope

> > > > and gives it to the 6th. The third house is the

> > parakrama house,

> > > > where all desires, passions etc. originate. The

> > sixth house is

> > the

> > > > house of enemies. The greatest enemeies of man

> > are inside

> > oneself,

> > > > these are the shadripu, the Six Enemies, Kaama

> > (lust), Krodha

> > > > (anger), Lobha (greed), Moha (illusion), Mada

> > (arrogance) and

> > > > Maschara (avarice). Hence,this great mantra

> > provides two

> > benefits

> > > at

> > > > one time. Our desires and passions are the root

> > cause of all our

> > > > suffering, and these are lessened.

> > Simultaneouly, we have more

> > > > strength to defeat the internal enemies that

> > cause unnecessary

> > > > grief.

> > > >

> > > > There is another variation on this mantra, Namah

> > Shivaya. This

> > > > mantra takes the energy from the 2nd house and

> > gives to the 5th.

> > > > This is the popular Panchaakshari, and is

> > considered an ideal

> > > mantra

> > > > for a householder, since the spiritual blessings

> > from the family

> > > and

> > > > lineage (2nd) are passed on to the offspring

> > (5th). Om is called

> > > the

> > > > Guru Beeja or the Moksha beeja, and the addition

> > of OM to this

> > > > mantra leads one to ultimate salvation.

> > (previous para)

> > > >

> > > > Yes, there are some mantras that you are

> > supposed to chant to

> > > > certain meters, at certain times etc etc. My

> > experience has been

> > > > that if you start chanting with devotion, the

> > meter (chandassu)

> > > etc

> > > > will come by themselves ... sooner or later I

> > fell into a rythem

> > > > without knowing it, and later came to learn that

> > this was indeed

> > > the

> > > > correct rhythem! Guidance will come....

> > > >

> > > > All of this is ONLY for mantras that are chanted

> > for positive

> > > > outcomes - mantras to cause evil to others are

> > another

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Anyone knows of an account by someone who has experienced Sri Babaji,

since Yoganandaji? I once was told that there is someone in Quebec (I

forget the name, Mahadevan or Govindan or something like that) who

has written relatively recently about his direct experiences. Can

anyone fill us in on that, if known?

 

Thanks

 

RR

 

, "Shad" <waterpowers>

wrote:

>

> Dear Surya,

> pranam.

>

> > Dear Shad, your knowledge is quite astounding .. I am

> > really curious to know however if the Haidekan baba

> > you are talking about is directly/indirectly related

> > to Maha avataar baba? there are so many spiritual

> > connections which are interesting to note ... there

> > are so many doubts that plague my mind often lets see

> > If we can share view one on one?

>

> It is said He is the Maha Avataar Baba Yogananda speaks about in

his

> book 'Autobiography of a yogi'. In this form He is worshipped as

> Haidakhan Baba.

> I know one of His close disciples a lady from Nebraska, her name is

> Marge, and she makes the website of Haidakhan Baba I sent you.

> She is His disciple and had personal association with Baba, when He

> still was present on this planet.

>

> You can see picture of her with Babaji and read some of the stories

> of her time with Him in the "Personal Stories" section of

> www.babaji.net. You can write Marge and ask her about Babaji:-) Her

> email is somewhere on the site.

>

> My greatest desire is to be accepted as shiksha disciple by Baba,

as

> I am very devoted to Him and His teachings.

>

> > there are so many spiritual

> > connections which are interesting to note ... there

> > are so many doubts that plague my mind often lets see

> > If we can share view one on one?

>

> Please, feel free to be in touch and reveal what plagues you. I am

> always happy when I can be of help to the devotees! You can also

> mail me private at waterpowers

>

> > long time ago when I asked a learned person (who at

> > the time was in a hurry) if I can repeat "Om namah

> > shivaya" anytime I wanted .. he told me not to do so

> > and chant "Shivaya namaha" if I wanted to ...

> > He quickly said "Om namo bhagavate vasudevaya", "OM

> > namah shivaya" and "Om namo narayanaya" are all

> > positive mantras but should not be done as u like them

> > .. he told me these mantras are better when instilled

> > by a person for ur specific needs ...

>

> Sreelatha gave you a perfect explanation – you do not need to be

> afraid of chanting the holy names of Lord Siva and that you might

> receive reaction, as chanting without initiation. On the other hand

> the learned person was right, when saying it usually is better when

> the mantra is installed by a specific person (guru or sadhu) for

> specific purpose.

>

> How to explain this?

> All the miseries in life come from our forgetting about God and our

> real self. Those are the dualities of the material world and the

> bodily conception of life, which make us suffer.

>

> You might agree with me that every living being here runs after

> happiness – this is the nature of the soul to seek happiness or to

> be happy, because its nature is sacidananda, to be ful of

knowledge,

> happiness and eternal.

> It is not natural to be unhappy and it is our duty to be happy.

>

> But I can assure you that real happiness cannot only achieved by

> mundane comfort, such as money, name, fame and glory. This alone

> cannot satisfy us - the atman, the soul.

> This is why we are unhappy, as we pursue only the mundane values.

>

> It is in the nature of the soul to love God and have a personal

> relationship with him. Real happiness comes from the depth of the

> soul and not from external bliss.

>

> In the Vedas it is written that Siva is the spiritual father of all

> living beings. It is the right of every living being to love its

> father. It is not only the privilege of the initiated or the

Brahmin

> caste. One does not have to fear calling the names of ones God or

> Father, as Sreelatha said, which father would mind if we called Da-

> da instead of Daddy?!

>

> Which father or God would mind about this and punish us??

>

> Krishna in the Bhagavat Geeta says one who is pious has nothing to

> fear, not in this lifetime nor in a next. Everything good will come

> to such a pious person.

> Material happiness and comfort are assured for pious people. This

is

> the side effect of being religious or pious.

>

> On the other hand if you want to achieve a transcendental platform,

> Brahmajyoti, Vaikuntha, Sivaloka for example then the authorities

of

> the vedas recommend that one accepts initiation by a sadhu or guru

> of a bonafide line or parampara. Only through a saint or sadhu one

> is able to serve God, not by the only little self, as we are

> conditioned by karma and guna.

> This is why we need the guidance of guru and initiation.

>

> There are also mantras, one needs to worship deities or to do

> yagnas, etc. And those can only be chanted by one who is learned

and

> qualified for this mantras. If someone else chants those, s/he will

> receive reactions, which can also be very bad. Many rules and

> regulations must be followed here, which in the beginning sound

> complicated, but once learned can be easily followed.

>

> Mahamantras are meant or given to everyone, so it can be chanted.

> Now it simply depends on what your goal is, what do you want to

> achieve? Do you want to live a pious life, or do you want to walk

on

> the spiritual path and put an end to the weel of birth and death,

> samskara?

>

> In our Vsihnava line I once asked a sadhu how one can achieve

> perfection in bhakti yoga or japa yoga, the chanting of the holy

> names. He gave me a prayer the Lord Himself had spoken, where it is

> described how we should chant.

> If one chants in this attitude for sure one can reach the

> transcendental goal.

>

> > trnad api sunicena

> > taror api sahisnuna

> > amanina manadena

> > kirtaniyah sada harih

>

> > One should chant the holy name of the Lord in a humble state of

> > mind, thinking oneself lower than the straw in the street; one

> > should be more tolerant than a tree, devoid of all sense of false

> > prestige, and should be ready to offer all respect to others. In

> > such a state of mind one can chant the holy name of the Lord

> > constantly.

>

> Kindest regards,

> Shad

>

> !om namaha sivaya!

> !harekrishna!

>

>

> , surya vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > Hello,

> >

> > I was down with a Viral, and just came to check my

> > client mails ...

> >

> > Before I say anything, I would like to say that I am

> > really glad that I know a person called Sreelatha garu

> > ... it truly feels good to read your mails (This

> > remedy of reading your postings helps me !!)

> >

> > Dear Shad, your knowledge is quite astounding .. I am

> > really curious to know however if the Haidekan baba

> > you are talking about is directly/indirectly related

> > to Maha avataar baba? there are so many spiritual

> > connections which are interesting to note ... there

> > are so many doubts that plague my mind often lets see

> > if we can share view one on one?

> >

> >

> > Coming back to the topic, when I embarked on trying

> > mantras I was indiscreminate .. I messed with some

> > mantras that messed me (I dont know if remedies work,

> > but I can vouche that they surely work negatively if

> > you dont do them properly) ...

> >

> > The problem was addressed by Shad, my problem is that

> > the moment I catch hold of mantra I dissolve into it

> > and I seem to get totally lost into it in a strange

> > way (this tendency is gone now) ...

> >

> > I know for a fact that sometimes when a guru initiates

> > a disciple he gives them a one line mantra to meditate

> > upon (like Om namah shivaya) ... and since I almost

> > always seem to get into the meditative mold I am

> > always worried of doing any mantra without know the

> > other things that go with the mantra that you should

> > be doing ...

> >

> > long time ago when I asked a learned person (who at

> > the time was in a hurry) if I can repeat "Om namah

> > shivaya" anytime I wanted .. he told me not to do so

> > and chant "Shivaya namaha" if I wanted to ...

> > He quickly said "Om namo bhagavate vasudevaya", "OM

> > namah shivaya" and "Om namo narayanaya" are all

> > positive mantras but should not be done as u like them

> > .. he told me these mantras are better when instilled

> > by a person for ur specific needs ...

> >

> > so then this was the source of all my doubts ... but

> > now I feel that maybe I should do them but maybe after

> > my sandhyavandan or so ...

> >

> > Srelatha garu ... I have 3 planets in my 6th house

> > venus (7th and 12th lord) Merc (8th and 11th) and Mars

> > (1st and 6th lord) (scorp ascendant) ... however my

> > 3rd house of capricorn does not have any planet ( I

> > presume its devoid of any big influences - also saturn

> > is in the 9th house of mercury) ... are there any

> > views as to moving the energy from 3rd to 6th in such

> > cases can be beneficial ??

> >

> > Thanks again for ur wonderful views !

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Surya.

> >

> > --- "V. Sreelatha" <venkatarama_sastry>

> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear Inder,

> > >

> > > Yes, this is from one of Sanjay Ji's books, can't

> > > remember which one

> > > off the top of my head. I am guessing that it is the

> > > Vedic Remedies

> > > book, since it seems to fit the topic.

> > >

> > > The concept is very simple, actually. Count the

> > > number of words in

> > > the mantra. This is the house that the energy is

> > > taken from. So, in

> > > Om Namah Shivaya, there are 3 words, hence the third

> > > house. Now

> > > count the number of "aksharas". I suppose akshara

> > > can be roughly

> > > translated to syllables, but I find it easier to

> > > imagine the mantra

> > > written in any Indian language and then take each

> > > discrete "akshar",

> > > along with the associated "maatras". So, Om is one

> > > akshar, Namah has

> > > two, and Shivaya has three, making it a total of 6

> > > aksharas. This is

> > > the house that the energy is drawn to. (There is

> > > also the concept of

> > > where the mantradevatha sits, based on these two

> > > counts, but I don't

> > > know what the practical application of that is.)

> > >

> > > This is one of the factors that Sanjay Ji recommends

> > > that

> > > astrologers consider while giving a mantra to a

> > > native, see which

> > > house needs strengthening, which devatha needs

> > > strenghtening etc,

> > > and how to add beeja mantras as suffixes or prefixes

> > > as needed to

> > > come up with the right count. There are many other

> > > factors regarding

> > > the suitability of mantras too, based on janma

> > > nakshatra, name etc.

> > > in his books. However, all siddha mantras, like the

> > > Om Namah Shivaya

> > > we are talking about, are exempt from these checks,

> > > since they are

> > > designed to be good for all charts. Another siddha

> > > mantra that I

> > > remember from Sanjay Ji's list and use constantly is

> > > Om Namo

> > > Naaraayanaya. Most siddha mantras seem to target the

> > > 6th, 8th or the

> > > 12th houses, which are the common problems for most

> > > people, and

> > > hence these mantras help everyone in general.

> > >

> > > -sreelatha

> > >

> > > , "Inder"

> > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreelatha,

> > > > This concept of 3rd house to 6th house . and 2nd

> > > house to 5th

> > > house

> > > > seem to be very interesting.

> > > > Could you further explain how you concluded this

> > > or from where you

> > > > read this.Pt.Sanjay Rath book??

> > > > Inder

> > > > , "V.

> > > Sreelatha"

> > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > I was curious to ask you ... "Om namah

> > > shivaya" donset

> > > > > > need initiation? I am a huge fan of lord shiva

> > > ... but

> > > > > > I stop repeating this mantra because I dont

> > > know the

> > > > > > rules that go with it .. are you aware of any?

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Surya,

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope you don't mind me responding to this

> > > question.

> > > > >

> > > > > First of all, yes, Om Namah Shivaya is a Siddha

> > > mantram, which

> > > > means

> > > > > that anyone can obtain the full benefit of it

> > > with or without

> > > > > initiation.

> > > > >

> > > > > Secondly, I believe that if a mantra is chanted

> > > with sincerity

> > > and

> > > > > devotion, it will never do any harm. Suppose

> > > your toddler is

> > > > trying

> > > > > to say "Daddy", but he only manages "Da-Da".

> > > Will you be angry

> > > > with

> > > > > him about the mispronunciation? Or will you

> > > ignore him until he

> > > > > masters saying it the right way? Or will you

> > > come to him, and

> > > help

> > > > > him anyway, since you know his intentions? If we

> > > believe that

> > > the

> > > > > Lord is more compassionate than any human, why

> > > would we ever

> > > think

> > > > > that He/She would not be at least as kind as a

> > > human parent?

> > > > >

> > > > > Sanjay Rath Ji has written a wonderful book

> > > called Vedic

> > > Remedies

> > > > in

> > > > > Astrology where he discusses Mantra Shastra in

> > > detail. After

> > > > > elaborate discussions, he too concedes that

> > > there is no

> > > substitute

> > > > > for sincere devotion, and that *any* mantra

> > > chanted with

> > > devotion

> > > > > will give results. BTW, he also has a list of

> > > mantras that are

> > > > > exempt from rules re. initiation, and Om Namah

> > > Shivaya is one of

> > > > > them, as are other popular mantras. This is the

> > > traditional view

> > > > too.

> > > > >

> > > > > Om Namah Shivaya takes energy from the 3rd house

> > > of the

> > > horoscope

> > > > > and gives it to the 6th. The third house is the

> > > parakrama house,

> > > > > where all desires, passions etc. originate. The

> > > sixth house is

> > > the

> > > > > house of enemies. The greatest enemeies of man

> > > are inside

> > > oneself,

> > > > > these are the shadripu, the Six Enemies, Kaama

> > > (lust), Krodha

> > > > > (anger), Lobha (greed), Moha (illusion), Mada

> > > (arrogance) and

> > > > > Maschara (avarice). Hence,this great mantra

> > > provides two

> > > benefits

> > > > at

> > > > > one time. Our desires and passions are the root

> > > cause of all our

> > > > > suffering, and these are lessened.

> > > Simultaneouly, we have more

> > > > > strength to defeat the internal enemies that

> > > cause unnecessary

> > > > > grief.

> > > > >

> > > > > There is another variation on this mantra, Namah

> > > Shivaya. This

> > > > > mantra takes the energy from the 2nd house and

> > > gives to the 5th.

> > > > > This is the popular Panchaakshari, and is

> > > considered an ideal

> > > > mantra

> > > > > for a householder, since the spiritual blessings

> > > from the family

> > > > and

> > > > > lineage (2nd) are passed on to the offspring

> > > (5th). Om is called

> > > > the

> > > > > Guru Beeja or the Moksha beeja, and the addition

> > > of OM to this

> > > > > mantra leads one to ultimate salvation.

> > > (previous para)

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, there are some mantras that you are

> > > supposed to chant to

> > > > > certain meters, at certain times etc etc. My

> > > experience has been

> > > > > that if you start chanting with devotion, the

> > > meter (chandassu)

> > > > etc

> > > > > will come by themselves ... sooner or later I

> > > fell into a rythem

> > > > > without knowing it, and later came to learn that

> > > this was indeed

> > > > the

> > > > > correct rhythem! Guidance will come....

> > > > >

> > > > > All of this is ONLY for mantras that are chanted

> > > for positive

> > > > > outcomes - mantras to cause evil to others are

> > > another

> > === message truncated ===

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Ven, Mer & sun are in my 12th house, does it means I will inccur lots of losses.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Surya,

 

No "garu" needed! It is a pleasure to correspond with you, your

postings are always interesting.

 

Your sixth house definitely seems strong, with 3 planets :-). Of

course, there is still no harm with that mantra. Yes, I can see how

a learned person would suggest Shivaya Namah, since you are a

householder, same principle as Namah Shivaya.

 

Of course it is always better if someone analyzes your needs and

prescribes the correct mantra. No argument there. In my opinion,

actually, you don't really obtain a mantra, the mantra chooses you.

So, if you are drawn towards a mantra / sloka / whatever, or to any

form of the Lord, go for it. :-)

 

 

-sreelatha

 

, surya vishnubhotla

<surya_prakashv> wrote:

> Hello,

>

> I was down with a Viral, and just came to check my

> client mails ...

>

> Before I say anything, I would like to say that I am

> really glad that I know a person called Sreelatha garu

> ... it truly feels good to read your mails (This

> remedy of reading your postings helps me !!)

>

> Dear Shad, your knowledge is quite astounding .. I am

> really curious to know however if the Haidekan baba

> you are talking about is directly/indirectly related

> to Maha avataar baba? there are so many spiritual

> connections which are interesting to note ... there

> are so many doubts that plague my mind often lets see

> if we can share view one on one?

>

>

> Coming back to the topic, when I embarked on trying

> mantras I was indiscreminate .. I messed with some

> mantras that messed me (I dont know if remedies work,

> but I can vouche that they surely work negatively if

> you dont do them properly) ...

>

> The problem was addressed by Shad, my problem is that

> the moment I catch hold of mantra I dissolve into it

> and I seem to get totally lost into it in a strange

> way (this tendency is gone now) ...

>

> I know for a fact that sometimes when a guru initiates

> a disciple he gives them a one line mantra to meditate

> upon (like Om namah shivaya) ... and since I almost

> always seem to get into the meditative mold I am

> always worried of doing any mantra without know the

> other things that go with the mantra that you should

> be doing ...

>

> long time ago when I asked a learned person (who at

> the time was in a hurry) if I can repeat "Om namah

> shivaya" anytime I wanted .. he told me not to do so

> and chant "Shivaya namaha" if I wanted to ...

> He quickly said "Om namo bhagavate vasudevaya", "OM

> namah shivaya" and "Om namo narayanaya" are all

> positive mantras but should not be done as u like them

> .. he told me these mantras are better when instilled

> by a person for ur specific needs ...

>

> so then this was the source of all my doubts ... but

> now I feel that maybe I should do them but maybe after

> my sandhyavandan or so ...

>

> Srelatha garu ... I have 3 planets in my 6th house

> venus (7th and 12th lord) Merc (8th and 11th) and Mars

> (1st and 6th lord) (scorp ascendant) ... however my

> 3rd house of capricorn does not have any planet ( I

> presume its devoid of any big influences - also saturn

> is in the 9th house of mercury) ... are there any

> views as to moving the energy from 3rd to 6th in such

> cases can be beneficial ??

>

> Thanks again for ur wonderful views !

>

> Thanks,

> Surya.

>

> --- "V. Sreelatha" <venkatarama_sastry>

> wrote:

>

> >

> > Dear Inder,

> >

> > Yes, this is from one of Sanjay Ji's books, can't

> > remember which one

> > off the top of my head. I am guessing that it is the

> > Vedic Remedies

> > book, since it seems to fit the topic.

> >

> > The concept is very simple, actually. Count the

> > number of words in

> > the mantra. This is the house that the energy is

> > taken from. So, in

> > Om Namah Shivaya, there are 3 words, hence the third

> > house. Now

> > count the number of "aksharas". I suppose akshara

> > can be roughly

> > translated to syllables, but I find it easier to

> > imagine the mantra

> > written in any Indian language and then take each

> > discrete "akshar",

> > along with the associated "maatras". So, Om is one

> > akshar, Namah has

> > two, and Shivaya has three, making it a total of 6

> > aksharas. This is

> > the house that the energy is drawn to. (There is

> > also the concept of

> > where the mantradevatha sits, based on these two

> > counts, but I don't

> > know what the practical application of that is.)

> >

> > This is one of the factors that Sanjay Ji recommends

> > that

> > astrologers consider while giving a mantra to a

> > native, see which

> > house needs strengthening, which devatha needs

> > strenghtening etc,

> > and how to add beeja mantras as suffixes or prefixes

> > as needed to

> > come up with the right count. There are many other

> > factors regarding

> > the suitability of mantras too, based on janma

> > nakshatra, name etc.

> > in his books. However, all siddha mantras, like the

> > Om Namah Shivaya

> > we are talking about, are exempt from these checks,

> > since they are

> > designed to be good for all charts. Another siddha

> > mantra that I

> > remember from Sanjay Ji's list and use constantly is

> > Om Namo

> > Naaraayanaya. Most siddha mantras seem to target the

> > 6th, 8th or the

> > 12th houses, which are the common problems for most

> > people, and

> > hence these mantras help everyone in general.

> >

> > -sreelatha

> >

> > , "Inder"

> > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreelatha,

> > > This concept of 3rd house to 6th house . and 2nd

> > house to 5th

> > house

> > > seem to be very interesting.

> > > Could you further explain how you concluded this

> > or from where you

> > > read this.Pt.Sanjay Rath book??

> > > Inder

> > > , "V.

> > Sreelatha"

> > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > I was curious to ask you ... "Om namah

> > shivaya" donset

> > > > > need initiation? I am a huge fan of lord shiva

> > ... but

> > > > > I stop repeating this mantra because I dont

> > know the

> > > > > rules that go with it .. are you aware of any?

> >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Surya,

> > > >

> > > > I hope you don't mind me responding to this

> > question.

> > > >

> > > > First of all, yes, Om Namah Shivaya is a Siddha

> > mantram, which

> > > means

> > > > that anyone can obtain the full benefit of it

> > with or without

> > > > initiation.

> > > >

> > > > Secondly, I believe that if a mantra is chanted

> > with sincerity

> > and

> > > > devotion, it will never do any harm. Suppose

> > your toddler is

> > > trying

> > > > to say "Daddy", but he only manages "Da-Da".

> > Will you be angry

> > > with

> > > > him about the mispronunciation? Or will you

> > ignore him until he

> > > > masters saying it the right way? Or will you

> > come to him, and

> > help

> > > > him anyway, since you know his intentions? If we

> > believe that

> > the

> > > > Lord is more compassionate than any human, why

> > would we ever

> > think

> > > > that He/She would not be at least as kind as a

> > human parent?

> > > >

> > > > Sanjay Rath Ji has written a wonderful book

> > called Vedic

> > Remedies

> > > in

> > > > Astrology where he discusses Mantra Shastra in

> > detail. After

> > > > elaborate discussions, he too concedes that

> > there is no

> > substitute

> > > > for sincere devotion, and that *any* mantra

> > chanted with

> > devotion

> > > > will give results. BTW, he also has a list of

> > mantras that are

> > > > exempt from rules re. initiation, and Om Namah

> > Shivaya is one of

> > > > them, as are other popular mantras. This is the

> > traditional view

> > > too.

> > > >

> > > > Om Namah Shivaya takes energy from the 3rd house

> > of the

> > horoscope

> > > > and gives it to the 6th. The third house is the

> > parakrama house,

> > > > where all desires, passions etc. originate. The

> > sixth house is

> > the

> > > > house of enemies. The greatest enemeies of man

> > are inside

> > oneself,

> > > > these are the shadripu, the Six Enemies, Kaama

> > (lust), Krodha

> > > > (anger), Lobha (greed), Moha (illusion), Mada

> > (arrogance) and

> > > > Maschara (avarice). Hence,this great mantra

> > provides two

> > benefits

> > > at

> > > > one time. Our desires and passions are the root

> > cause of all our

> > > > suffering, and these are lessened.

> > Simultaneouly, we have more

> > > > strength to defeat the internal enemies that

> > cause unnecessary

> > > > grief.

> > > >

> > > > There is another variation on this mantra, Namah

> > Shivaya. This

> > > > mantra takes the energy from the 2nd house and

> > gives to the 5th.

> > > > This is the popular Panchaakshari, and is

> > considered an ideal

> > > mantra

> > > > for a householder, since the spiritual blessings

> > from the family

> > > and

> > > > lineage (2nd) are passed on to the offspring

> > (5th). Om is called

> > > the

> > > > Guru Beeja or the Moksha beeja, and the addition

> > of OM to this

> > > > mantra leads one to ultimate salvation.

> > (previous para)

> > > >

> > > > Yes, there are some mantras that you are

> > supposed to chant to

> > > > certain meters, at certain times etc etc. My

> > experience has been

> > > > that if you start chanting with devotion, the

> > meter (chandassu)

> > > etc

> > > > will come by themselves ... sooner or later I

> > fell into a rythem

> > > > without knowing it, and later came to learn that

> > this was indeed

> > > the

> > > > correct rhythem! Guidance will come....

> > > >

> > > > All of this is ONLY for mantras that are chanted

> > for positive

> > > > outcomes - mantras to cause evil to others are

> > another

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

>

>