Guest guest Posted December 9, 2004 Report Share Posted December 9, 2004 Hi, Here my point is that,Mars,Venus and Rahu are only planets those are involved in sexual activity.There approaching way will be depending upon a placement in different houses and rashis.All other planets just give boost or depreciate the activity.they are not directly involved in Love or Sexual act. Sexual relationship is purely created on a basis of this 3 planets. I will tell you one incident,a wife may Love is husband a truely or just sexually ,it is very difficult to say. But if she is getting indulge in other person than his husband, it can be purely because of LOVE(venus),if venus is free from all afflictions.,so that she doen't LOVE his husband,2nd thing but while indulging in sexual activity,she closes her eyes and pretending LOVES,whom she loves very much.So you can now see SEX and LOVE are two diff aspects of life.Same thing can be other way round. Here astrologically doesn't make sense,but that's how normally women behaves.same thing doesn't really totally apply for a man.Man are mostly passionate,than a real Lover.Women can be good lover as well as passionate because she has a gifted power by GOD to be a mother.So she can be a good Lover.But for man,I doubt,there are few exceptions.But more of a for man,Love is more about sex and not just a pure Love.That's why they are rigid.While woman are soft and delicate. One quote's of Bhrama Kumaris:"Love has got nothing to do with bodies" also "A single drop of pure love is like a ocean in a desert" you should see charts with Venus exalted and alone and not afflicted my any planets.They are Lover of God.However debiliated Venus are more off physical level Love than a spiritual level. Mars and Rahu don't know a damn thing about LOVE. --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: > Hello, > > It will take me sometime to digest this post ... > will > do so and get back to u in leisure .. > > for now .. in all the 5 horos I have seen .. I have > seen great intelligence .. and very strong sexual > inclination not necessarily wrong ... > > all the 5 natives are very logical and intelligent > ... > > > I have a theory here ... every person is part male > in > tendencies and part female in tendencies ... so I > agree to what u have said in that people with more > feminine nature might be more intutive and those > with > male nature more logical ... this irrespective of > sex > .. > > I understand the view point from which u r saying > that > .. let me wonder over it and mail back !! > > Thanks! > > --- Shripal <d_shripal wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Venus,Sun and Mercury,I can depending on a Houses > in > > which they are placed. > > > > But planets rashi really don't matter for a > > women,that's what i have seen.Any rashi those > > palnets > > may,there sex style will be dependant on a > rashi,But > > a > > placement pf a planets detemines there indulge in > > affairs or sexual activity. > > > > for a minute forget about astrology,just let's > talk > > about women.they don't think logically.They are > more > > of intutive and always run after the things that > > don't > > impress them much.For us it is absolute absurd.But > > let > > me tell you secret,they are just like that.Only > > instinct and impulsive and intutive.No logi is > ther > > in > > thinking. > > > > Now back to astrology,no logic means mercury > doesn't > > help much.Moon helps them to get involve in > > listening > > to a man,that doesn't mean sexually.Saturn of any > > women is not in good aspect with a man,So > > relationship > > is not going to be long.Sun involvement makes > them > > aggressive while they are indulge in sexual > > activity,but does not create a sexual > relationship. > > > > So sexual relationship is purely on basis of > > Rahu(bliss),venus(Love) and Mars(passion).Let me > > tell > > you one more secret.Women are as passionate as > > lovely,and more beautiful they are, more dangerous > > and > > more passionate.Other planets support there sexual > > activity with time and condition.Houses and Rashi > > fulfills a places were such activity gets > executed. > > > > So purely nakshatrawise planets like mars,venus > and > > rahu creates a sexual bliss for a man and women. > > > > Believe be if rahu is exalted with venus and mars > > ,that guy or a girl is Kamasutra Guy or a Girl.Sun > > and > > moon good placement will make a feeling of > > oneness(Spiritual LOVE) in man and woman.Love is > art > > not a act.Love should drive a passion,From passion > > you > > can create LOVE. > > > > If just Mars and venus are involved,than just more > > of > > act,may be good one,But Rahu brings real feeling. > > > > Above all if Jupiter is good,than you don't get > > desperate,there is full control in a act.Saturn's > > placement,if good makes it slow and smooth. > > > > Anything else you would like to know? > > > > > > --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > > wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the input ... this is something that > I > > > have > > > always felt as well .. > > > Jup lording 2nd, 5th from lagna and 1st and 4th > > from > > > chandra lagna (Moon in 2nd for scorp lagna) is > > > surely > > > the teacher who guides me strongly most of the > > times > > > ... > > > > > > I have observed at least 4 horoscopes where Sun, > > > Venus > > > and Mercury together have led to sexual excesses > > in > > > people ... specially women ... any thoughts on > > this? > > > > > > --- Shripal <d_shripal wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Yes mentally more sexual is because of mercury > > or > > > > even > > > > mercury represents sex on a phoen or internet > or > > > > through conversation.However reason for > choosing > > a > > > > sexual activity is conjuct of Venus and > Mars.It > > > can > > > > be > > > > any house ,really does not matter. In 6th > house, > > > may > > > > represent sexual activity at work > place.Jupiter > > > will > > > > do a job of taking you out of this > > > obsession.Jupiter > > > > by itself is having control on this sex > > > activity.It > > > > till teach you to take a control of > this,rather > > > than > > > > getting desperate. > > > > > > > > --- surya vishnubhotla > > <surya_prakashv > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I am not sure if I am doing myself a > disfavour > > > > > telling > > > > > this .. But you can probably add me to the > > list, > > > I > > > > > have scorpio lagna and have Mars and venus > in > > > 6th > > > > > along iwth mercury .. I have been sometimes > > > driven > > > > > sexually excesses myself ... however i am > not > > > sure > > > > > if > > > > > this is because of sun and jup together in > the > > > 7th > > > > > or > > > > > mars venus and merc in the 6th .. > > > > > > > > > > I have also observed that a large part of > > > sexuall > > > > > excess in me is more of a mental attribute > > > rather > > > > > than > > > > > a physical one ... this might be because of > > > > Mercury? > > > > > > > > > > --- Shripal <d_shripal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > And if Ketu is present so either to much > === message truncated === Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Well, in my view - a love in hus/wife can hardly be a non-sexual love. Regardless a husband's love to wife, or a wife's love to a husband - there is always a sexual reason there. If it is direct and visible, we say it is "sexual love". If in background, we say it is, "True love". But no true love is there in this world. That is the truth, a dirty truth. But the ultimate truth. And I would totally disagree that if a married woman is joining someone else then it is for "love" and not "lust". I totally disagree. It can be for lust, for she is not getting enough sex treatments from her husband. It might be delibarate, planned. Or it might be an accident when she falls victim of situatio and submits her to the man for her secret sexual dissatisfaction. Or it might be so that she has no sex desire but her husband lacks in love and emotion and care, that a female heart seeks badly. Then she might find some man so soft and caring then her heart seeks love and care. (This is perhaps you wanted to mean.) But even in this case sex will follow. Or it can be so that a lady gets enough sex, enough love, enough care but still needs some change, some variation, and gets in to secret relationships. Anything can happen. Life is so critical, so dirty. Love is regarded as the most selfless thing. In real it is the most selfish thing. Love is nothing than a desire to make oneself happy. One loves to make himself happy and not to make the loved one happy as we think. Even pure love like a mother's love is selfish. Mother loves the child because it is HER child and made of her blood and cells. My mother loves me not for I am "Tanvir" (the person) but for I am HER CHILD. If I am not her child, and X is, she would love X. If Y were, she would love Y. It has to do her feeling who came out of her body made of her blood whom she carried with love for 9 months. A pregnant woman never saw the kid but still loves it. Why? Because it is inside her, made of her. Fathers' love is not as intense and as powerful like mother's love in general. The reason is very visible, father is less involved with the kid - he does nothing physical than donating the sperm. Mother does all the physical things like harbouring the child inside her for a long time, nourishing it, bring it up, giving birth to it, feeding her breast to it etc. So the reason of love is very visible. Mother or father, never love the child for as the person, but only for it is their child. It has to do with whom they created from their own blood and flesh. So it directly shows that they are concerned about themselves, they are loving someone that is created from them. On the other hand, a girlfriend's love for a boyfriend is not this "blind" like parents love. But this love is about the "person". However, this love is mostly about the person's beauty, the way he looks, the way he talks, his qualifications etc etc. So this is the dirty side too. Marital love also expects return, and it centers on the persons qualification, physical or mental beauty. So here it fails and parents love wins. Parents love does not want return, and has nothing to do with the qualification, beauty or anything. Here it wins. But parents love is also blind and is about "Who is the child of them" and not personal love, and there it fails. So both loves fail. All are fake. Loving the kid makes the mother happy. So she loves it to make herself happy. If my mother right now knows that the kid of enighbour is actually her child, she would start loving it. Here it fails. it is not about the person, but about whom she gave birth of. So all the love fails. Love is just a desire, the most selfish thing in this world. Even love to God fails. We know god as most true, pure being. Most auspicious. he protects the good and punishes the bad. He created us, protects us, keep us alive. So even our love for God has to do with who "created us", "protecting us", "nourishing us" etc etc. So even here we are self centered. We are selfish. We know loving god will ensure our future happiness. We love him for his greatness, for he is so pure. And we hate Satan for he does bad to us. So, my conclusion is that, all love are fake, selfish. Love is most dirty thing here, pretending to be so pure and beautiful, but being most selfish and dirty indeed. This is the ultimate truth. And I feel very sad and feel no interest to this world for a while when think these very deeply. And I think it is better not to know such truths... What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - Shripal Thursday, December 09, 2004 6:00 PM Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th House-->Suryaji Hi, Here my point is that,Mars,Venus and Rahu are only planets those are involved in sexual activity.There approaching way will be depending upon a placement in different houses and rashis.All other planets just give boost or depreciate the activity.they are not directly involved in Love or Sexual act. Sexual relationship is purely created on a basis of this 3 planets. I will tell you one incident,a wife may Love is husband a truely or just sexually ,it is very difficult to say. But if she is getting indulge in other person than his husband, it can be purely because of LOVE(venus),if venus is free from all afflictions.,so that she doen't LOVE his husband,2nd thing but while indulging in sexual activity,she closes her eyes and pretending LOVES,whom she loves very much.So you can now see SEX and LOVE are two diff aspects of life.Same thing can be other way round. Here astrologically doesn't make sense,but that's how normally women behaves.same thing doesn't really totally apply for a man.Man are mostly passionate,than a real Lover.Women can be good lover as well as passionate because she has a gifted power by GOD to be a mother.So she can be a good Lover.But for man,I doubt,there are few exceptions.But more of a for man,Love is more about sex and not just a pure Love.That's why they are rigid.While woman are soft and delicate. One quote's of Bhrama Kumaris:"Love has got nothing to do with bodies" also "A single drop of pure love is like a ocean in a desert" you should see charts with Venus exalted and alone and not afflicted my any planets.They are Lover of God.However debiliated Venus are more off physical level Love than a spiritual level. Mars and Rahu don't know a damn thing about LOVE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Dear Tanvir, This is an excellent letter. Tanvir <ultimate wrote: Well, in my view - a love in hus/wife can hardly be a non-sexual love. Regardless a husband's love to wife, or a wife's love to a husband - there is always a sexual reason there. If it is direct and visible, we say it is "sexual love". If in background, we say it is, "True love". But no true love is there in this world. That is the truth, a dirty truth. But the ultimate truth. And I would totally disagree that if a married woman is joining someone else then it is for "love" and not "lust". I totally disagree. It can be for lust, for she is not getting enough sex treatments from her husband. It might be delibarate, planned. Or it might be an accident when she falls victim of situatio and submits her to the man for her secret sexual dissatisfaction. Or it might be so that she has no sex desire but her husband lacks in love and emotion and care, that a female heart seeks badly. Then she might find some man so soft and caring then her heart seeks love and care. (This is perhaps you wanted to mean.) But even in this case sex will follow. Or it can be so that a lady gets enough sex, enough love, enough care but still needs some change, some variation, and gets in to secret relationships. Anything can happen. Life is so critical, so dirty. Love is regarded as the most selfless thing. In real it is the most selfish thing. Love is nothing than a desire to make oneself happy. One loves to make himself happy and not to make the loved one happy as we think. Even pure love like a mother's love is selfish. Mother loves the child because it is HER child and made of her blood and cells. My mother loves me not for I am "Tanvir" (the person) but for I am HER CHILD. If I am not her child, and X is, she would love X. If Y were, she would love Y. It has to do her feeling who came out of her body made of her blood whom she carried with love for 9 months. A pregnant woman never saw the kid but still loves it. Why? Because it is inside her, made of her. Fathers' love is not as intense and as powerful like mother's love in general. The reason is very visible, father is less involved with the kid - he does nothing physical than donating the sperm. Mother does all the physical things like harbouring the child inside her for a long time, nourishing it, bring it up, giving birth to it, feeding her breast to it etc. So the reason of love is very visible. Mother or father, never love the child for as the person, but only for it is their child. It has to do with whom they created from their own blood and flesh. So it directly shows that they are concerned about themselves, they are loving someone that is created from them. On the other hand, a girlfriend's love for a boyfriend is not this "blind" like parents love. But this love is about the "person". However, this love is mostly about the person's beauty, the way he looks, the way he talks, his qualifications etc etc. So this is the dirty side too. Marital love also expects return, and it centers on the persons qualification, physical or mental beauty. So here it fails and parents love wins. Parents love does not want return, and has nothing to do with the qualification, beauty or anything. Here it wins. But parents love is also blind and is about "Who is the child of them" and not personal love, and there it fails. So both loves fail. All are fake. Loving the kid makes the mother happy. So she loves it to make herself happy. If my mother right now knows that the kid of enighbour is actually her child, she would start loving it. Here it fails. it is not about the person, but about whom she gave birth of. So all the love fails. Love is just a desire, the most selfish thing in this world. Even love to God fails. We know god as most true, pure being. Most auspicious. he protects the good and punishes the bad. He created us, protects us, keep us alive. So even our love for God has to do with who "created us", "protecting us", "nourishing us" etc etc. So even here we are self centered. We are selfish. We know loving god will ensure our future happiness. We love him for his greatness, for he is so pure. And we hate Satan for he does bad to us. So, my conclusion is that, all love are fake, selfish. Love is most dirty thing here, pretending to be so pure and beautiful, but being most selfish and dirty indeed. This is the ultimate truth. And I feel very sad and feel no interest to this world for a while when think these very deeply. And I think it is better not to know such truths... What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - Shripal Thursday, December 09, 2004 6:00 PM Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th House-->Suryaji Hi, Here my point is that,Mars,Venus and Rahu are only planets those are involved in sexual activity.There approaching way will be depending upon a placement in different houses and rashis.All other planets just give boost or depreciate the activity.they are not directly involved in Love or Sexual act. Sexual relationship is purely created on a basis of this 3 planets. I will tell you one incident,a wife may Love is husband a truely or just sexually ,it is very difficult to say. But if she is getting indulge in other person than his husband, it can be purely because of LOVE(venus),if venus is free from all afflictions.,so that she doen't LOVE his husband,2nd thing but while indulging in sexual activity,she closes her eyes and pretending LOVES,whom she loves very much.So you can now see SEX and LOVE are two diff aspects of life.Same thing can be other way round. Here astrologically doesn't make sense,but that's how normally women behaves.same thing doesn't really totally apply for a man.Man are mostly passionate,than a real Lover.Women can be good lover as well as passionate because she has a gifted power by GOD to be a mother.So she can be a good Lover.But for man,I doubt,there are few exceptions.But more of a for man,Love is more about sex and not just a pure Love.That's why they are rigid.While woman are soft and delicate. One quote's of Bhrama Kumaris:"Love has got nothing to do with bodies" also "A single drop of pure love is like a ocean in a desert" you should see charts with Venus exalted and alone and not afflicted my any planets.They are Lover of God.However debiliated Venus are more off physical level Love than a spiritual level. Mars and Rahu don't know a damn thing about LOVE. ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / With Best Regards, Parasuraman Please visit my Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/parasu41 India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2004 Report Share Posted December 13, 2004 Dear Tanvir, Almost all of us seem to dabble with this contradiction at some point of our lives or the other .... However, once you come out of these feelings u realise a few important things about life .. True love does exist. It has nothing to do with sex .. it is true that relationships are essentially formed for procreation but this dosent invalidate love ... Ayn rand and quite a number of people have propogated the same feeling that we do everything because of selfish motive ... we give alms to feel better ... so essentially all motives are selfish ... I wont go into why I dont to that view point anymore, even though I once did feel that all is fake .... Everyone has to discover their own way out and discover their own conception of love or otherwise... However I will say that there is a huge difference between saving self-interest and being selfish ... if there were no love and everything was selfish need then probably there would be no pain as well ... what is selfish about something like a suicide? There are so many things to think about !! Surya. --- Tanvir <ultimate wrote: > Well, in my view - a love in hus/wife can hardly be > a non-sexual love. > > Regardless a husband's love to wife, or a wife's > love to a husband - there is always a sexual reason > there. If it is direct and visible, we say it is > "sexual love". If in background, we say it is, "True > love". But no true love is there in this world. That > is the truth, a dirty truth. But the ultimate truth. > > And I would totally disagree that if a married woman > is joining someone else then it is for "love" and > not "lust". I totally disagree. It can be for lust, > for she is not getting enough sex treatments from > her husband. It might be delibarate, planned. Or it > might be an accident when she falls victim of > situatio and submits her to the man for her secret > sexual dissatisfaction. > > Or it might be so that she has no sex desire but her > husband lacks in love and emotion and care, that a > female heart seeks badly. Then she might find some > man so soft and caring then her heart seeks love and > care. (This is perhaps you wanted to mean.) But even > in this case sex will follow. > > Or it can be so that a lady gets enough sex, enough > love, enough care but still needs some change, some > variation, and gets in to secret relationships. > > Anything can happen. > > Life is so critical, so dirty. > > Love is regarded as the most selfless thing. In real > it is the most selfish thing. Love is nothing than a > desire to make oneself happy. One loves to make > himself happy and not to make the loved one happy as > we think. > > Even pure love like a mother's love is selfish. > Mother loves the child because it is HER child and > made of her blood and cells. My mother loves me not > for I am "Tanvir" (the person) but for I am HER > CHILD. If I am not her child, and X is, she would > love X. If Y were, she would love Y. It has to do > her feeling who came out of her body made of her > blood whom she carried with love for 9 months. > > A pregnant woman never saw the kid but still loves > it. Why? Because it is inside her, made of her. > > Fathers' love is not as intense and as powerful like > mother's love in general. The reason is very > visible, father is less involved with the kid - he > does nothing physical than donating the sperm. > Mother does all the physical things like harbouring > the child inside her for a long time, nourishing it, > bring it up, giving birth to it, feeding her breast > to it etc. So the reason of love is very visible. > Mother or father, never love the child for as the > person, but only for it is their child. It has to do > with whom they created from their own blood and > flesh. So it directly shows that they are concerned > about themselves, they are loving someone that is > created from them. > > On the other hand, a girlfriend's love for a > boyfriend is not this "blind" like parents love. But > this love is about the "person". However, this love > is mostly about the person's beauty, the way he > looks, the way he talks, his qualifications etc etc. > So this is the dirty side too. Marital love also > expects return, and it centers on the persons > qualification, physical or mental beauty. So here it > fails and parents love wins. Parents love does not > want return, and has nothing to do with the > qualification, beauty or anything. Here it wins. But > parents love is also blind and is about "Who is the > child of them" and not personal love, and there it > fails. > > So both loves fail. All are fake. Loving the kid > makes the mother happy. So she loves it to make > herself happy. If my mother right now knows that the > kid of enighbour is actually her child, she would > start loving it. Here it fails. it is not about the > person, but about whom she gave birth of. > > So all the love fails. Love is just a desire, the > most selfish thing in this world. > > Even love to God fails. We know god as most true, > pure being. Most auspicious. he protects the good > and punishes the bad. He created us, protects us, > keep us alive. So even our love for God has to do > with who "created us", "protecting us", "nourishing > us" etc etc. So even here we are self centered. We > are selfish. We know loving god will ensure our > future happiness. We love him for his greatness, for > he is so pure. And we hate Satan for he does bad to > us. > > So, my conclusion is that, all love are fake, > selfish. Love is most dirty thing here, pretending > to be so pure and beautiful, but being most selfish > and dirty indeed. This is the ultimate truth. > > And I feel very sad and feel no interest to this > world for a while when think these very deeply. And > I think it is better not to know such truths... > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology > (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful > problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > > - > Shripal > > Thursday, December 09, 2004 6:00 PM > Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th > House-->Suryaji > > > Hi, > > Here my point is that,Mars,Venus and Rahu are only > planets those are involved in sexual > activity.There > approaching way will be depending upon a placement > in > different houses and rashis.All other planets just > give boost or depreciate the activity.they are not > directly involved in Love or Sexual act. > > Sexual relationship is purely created on a basis > of > this 3 planets. > > I will tell you one incident,a wife may Love is > husband a truely or just sexually ,it is very > difficult to say. > But if she is getting indulge in other person than > his > husband, it can be purely because of > LOVE(venus),if > venus is free from all afflictions.,so that she > doen't > LOVE his husband,2nd thing but while indulging in > sexual activity,she closes her eyes and pretending > LOVES,whom she loves very much.So you can now see > SEX > and LOVE are two diff aspects of life.Same thing > can > be other way round. > > Here astrologically doesn't make sense,but that's > how > normally women behaves.same thing doesn't really > totally apply for a man.Man are mostly > passionate,than > a real Lover.Women can be good lover as well as > passionate because she has a gifted power by GOD > to > be a mother.So she can be a good Lover.But for > man,I > doubt,there are few exceptions.But more of a for > man,Love is more about sex and not just a pure > Love.That's why they are rigid.While woman are > soft > and delicate. > > One quote's of Bhrama Kumaris:"Love has got > nothing to > do with bodies" also "A single drop of pure love > is > like a ocean in a desert" > > you should see charts with Venus exalted and alone > and > not afflicted my any planets.They are Lover of > God.However debiliated Venus are more off physical > level Love than a spiritual level. > > Mars and Rahu don't know a damn thing about LOVE. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Mail - now with 250MB free storage. 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Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I did not say that love is all about sex. I said that a love between "spouses" can "hardly be" non sexual. If in a rare case a spouse's love is non sexual then it falls in to the category of love that seems to be selfless but IS selfish or "self-centered". (Like say a mother's love for a child etc.) Of course there is selfishness about a suicide, how can you overlook it? A person suicides in that very condition when his life is full of failure, pains that he can NOT carry. He thinks that it is not possible for him to carry such pain, and even DEATH would be better than carrying this pain. If you play chess, and start to lose, you might get bored and exhausted that you resign it and start over. If you find yourself attacked by terrorists in some town you might prefer to move in to another town. But what is when you feel that it is the *LIFE* that is causing all the pains and sufferings that you can not carry at all ? You can not start over a new game like chess or can not escape from the town to avoid it. All you can do is to escape *LIFE* and it MEANS suicidal. Even suicidal is selfish because the person becomes unable to carry such pains in life so he needs release, he needs betterment. By ending that life he knows he is not going to carry such problems and pains and unhappiness, so he wants to end it. Indeed, people who suicides do so because they think that even death is better than the life they are in. Can you give me much examples who suicided in happiness, or for they were very happy? NO ! And indeed suiciders are BRAVE to FACE DEATH. Coward people can not face death and are afraid of death. They say suiciding means losing to life. But actually living means resigning to life in those conditions. Better show thumb to that life to show that you do not give a damn to it when it becomes so cruel. It indeed is bravery. I respect them. I have passed much time like this and I also do know why people also take drugs... just like to escape from life, they want to forget everything always since they can not carry such pains. I know it completely. I understand it completely. Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - surya vishnubhotla Monday, December 13, 2004 8:19 PM Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th House-->Suryaji Dear Tanvir, Almost all of us seem to dabble with this contradiction at some point of our lives or the other ... However, once you come out of these feelings u realise a few important things about life .. True love does exist. It has nothing to do with sex .. it is true that relationships are essentially formed for procreation but this dosent invalidate love ... Ayn rand and quite a number of people have propogated the same feeling that we do everything because of selfish motive ... we give alms to feel better ... so essentially all motives are selfish ... I wont go into why I dont to that view point anymore, even though I once did feel that all is fake ... Everyone has to discover their own way out and discover their own conception of love or otherwise... However I will say that there is a huge difference between saving self-interest and being selfish ... if there were no love and everything was selfish need then probably there would be no pain as well ... what is selfish about something like a suicide? There are so many things to think about !! Surya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Dear Tanvir, Very interesting , you have gone very philosphical. We can say that selflessness is also selfish. Inder -- In , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> wrote: > I did not say that love is all about sex. I said that a love between "spouses" can "hardly be" non sexual. If in a rare case a spouse's love is non sexual then it falls in to the category of love that seems to be selfless but IS selfish or "self-centered". (Like say a mother's love for a child etc.) > > Of course there is selfishness about a suicide, how can you overlook it? A person suicides in that very condition when his life is full of failure, pains that he can NOT carry. He thinks that it is not possible for him to carry such pain, and even DEATH would be better than carrying this pain. If you play chess, and start to lose, you might get bored and exhausted that you resign it and start over. If you find yourself attacked by terrorists in some town you might prefer to move in to another town. But what is when you feel that it is the *LIFE* that is causing all the pains and sufferings that you can not carry at all ? You can not start over a new game like chess or can not escape from the town to avoid it. All you can do is to escape *LIFE* and it MEANS suicidal. > > Even suicidal is selfish because the person becomes unable to carry such pains in life so he needs release, he needs betterment. By ending that life he knows he is not going to carry such problems and pains and unhappiness, so he wants to end it. > > Indeed, people who suicides do so because they think that even death is better than the life they are in. > > Can you give me much examples who suicided in happiness, or for they were very happy? NO ! > > And indeed suiciders are BRAVE to FACE DEATH. Coward people can not face death and are afraid of death. They say suiciding means losing to life. But actually living means resigning to life in those conditions. Better show thumb to that life to show that you do not give a damn to it when it becomes so cruel. It indeed is bravery. I respect them. > > I have passed much time like this and I also do know why people also take drugs... just like to escape from life, they want to forget everything always since they can not carry such pains. I know it completely. I understand it completely. > > > Tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > - > surya vishnubhotla > > Monday, December 13, 2004 8:19 PM > Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th House-->Suryaji > > > Dear Tanvir, > > Almost all of us seem to dabble with this > contradiction at some point of our lives or the other > ... > > However, once you come out of these feelings u realise > a few important things about life .. True love does > exist. It has nothing to do with sex .. it is true > that relationships are essentially formed for > procreation but this dosent invalidate love ... > > Ayn rand and quite a number of people have propogated > the same feeling that we do everything because of > selfish motive ... we give alms to feel better ... so > essentially all motives are selfish ... > > I wont go into why I dont to that view point > anymore, even though I once did feel that all is fake > ... > > Everyone has to discover their own way out and > discover their own conception of love or otherwise... > > However I will say that there is a huge difference > between saving self-interest and being selfish ... if > there were no love and everything was selfish need > then probably there would be no pain as well ... what > is selfish about something like a suicide? > > There are so many things to think about !! > > Surya. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 In essence we can say that our exsitence is itself selfish. Each and every organism including human being needs to survive. Preserve life, sustain life, prolong life, create life and all these activities are my life. Survival of my life is a need and in fact it is selfish. And that way, creation and preservation of life is what 'life' is. Human being also add name/fame/money/hoarding etc also as part of life survival.[people should remember me after death and I preserve life after death even]. In this creation/preservation of life, the cooperation between human beings is very essential. That may perhaps be called LOVE. Inder -- In , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear Tanvir, > Very interesting , you have gone very philosphical. > We can say that selflessness is also selfish. > Inder > > -- In , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> > wrote: > > I did not say that love is all about sex. I said that a love > between "spouses" can "hardly be" non sexual. If in a rare case a > spouse's love is non sexual then it falls in to the category of love > that seems to be selfless but IS selfish or "self-centered". (Like > say a mother's love for a child etc.) > > > > Of course there is selfishness about a suicide, how can you > overlook it? A person suicides in that very condition when his life > is full of failure, pains that he can NOT carry. He thinks that it > is not possible for him to carry such pain, and even DEATH would be > better than carrying this pain. If you play chess, and start to > lose, you might get bored and exhausted that you resign it and start > over. If you find yourself attacked by terrorists in some town you > might prefer to move in to another town. But what is when you feel > that it is the *LIFE* that is causing all the pains and sufferings > that you can not carry at all ? You can not start over a new game > like chess or can not escape from the town to avoid it. All you can > do is to escape *LIFE* and it MEANS suicidal. > > > > Even suicidal is selfish because the person becomes unable to > carry such pains in life so he needs release, he needs betterment. > By ending that life he knows he is not going to carry such problems > and pains and unhappiness, so he wants to end it. > > > > Indeed, people who suicides do so because they think that even > death is better than the life they are in. > > > > Can you give me much examples who suicided in happiness, or for > they were very happy? NO ! > > > > And indeed suiciders are BRAVE to FACE DEATH. Coward people can > not face death and are afraid of death. They say suiciding means > losing to life. But actually living means resigning to life in those > conditions. Better show thumb to that life to show that you do not > give a damn to it when it becomes so cruel. It indeed is bravery. I > respect them. > > > > I have passed much time like this and I also do know why people > also take drugs... just like to escape from life, they want to > forget everything always since they can not carry such pains. I know > it completely. I understand it completely. > > > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving > remedies > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > surya vishnubhotla > > > > Monday, December 13, 2004 8:19 PM > > Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th House-->Suryaji > > > > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > Almost all of us seem to dabble with this > > contradiction at some point of our lives or the other > > ... > > > > However, once you come out of these feelings u realise > > a few important things about life .. True love does > > exist. It has nothing to do with sex .. it is true > > that relationships are essentially formed for > > procreation but this dosent invalidate love ... > > > > Ayn rand and quite a number of people have propogated > > the same feeling that we do everything because of > > selfish motive ... we give alms to feel better ... so > > essentially all motives are selfish ... > > > > I wont go into why I dont to that view point > > anymore, even though I once did feel that all is fake > > ... > > > > Everyone has to discover their own way out and > > discover their own conception of love or otherwise... > > > > However I will say that there is a huge difference > > between saving self-interest and being selfish ... if > > there were no love and everything was selfish need > > then probably there would be no pain as well ... what > > is selfish about something like a suicide? > > > > There are so many things to think about !! > > > > Surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Tanvir, I will refrain from giving boring details of my armchair philosophy /... But ... to me selfishness is to not care on whose toes u step towards ur gains ... self interested is furthering ur interest to satisfy your needs with due consideration to others .... Suicide to me is selfish only because it dosent consider feelings of people who will get affected by your death ... but again will that make a person with no one in the world selfless when he suicides? If all creation is based on selfishness then why dont we find a dog on the street with rabies suiciding??? I dont think satisfying ones needs is selfishness .. it is being self interested ... and is the basic premise of all life ... however satisfying ones needs at others cost is selfishness ... --- Tanvir <ultimate wrote: > I did not say that love is all about sex. I said > that a love between "spouses" can "hardly be" non > sexual. If in a rare case a spouse's love is non > sexual then it falls in to the category of love that > seems to be selfless but IS selfish or > "self-centered". (Like say a mother's love for a > child etc.) > > Of course there is selfishness about a suicide, how > can you overlook it? A person suicides in that very > condition when his life is full of failure, pains > that he can NOT carry. He thinks that it is not > possible for him to carry such pain, and even DEATH > would be better than carrying this pain. If you play > chess, and start to lose, you might get bored and > exhausted that you resign it and start over. If you > find yourself attacked by terrorists in some town > you might prefer to move in to another town. But > what is when you feel that it is the *LIFE* that is > causing all the pains and sufferings that you can > not carry at all ? You can not start over a new game > like chess or can not escape from the town to avoid > it. All you can do is to escape *LIFE* and it MEANS > suicidal. > > Even suicidal is selfish because the person becomes > unable to carry such pains in life so he needs > release, he needs betterment. By ending that life he > knows he is not going to carry such problems and > pains and unhappiness, so he wants to end it. > > Indeed, people who suicides do so because they think > that even death is better than the life they are in. > > Can you give me much examples who suicided in > happiness, or for they were very happy? NO ! > > And indeed suiciders are BRAVE to FACE DEATH. Coward > people can not face death and are afraid of death. > They say suiciding means losing to life. But > actually living means resigning to life in those > conditions. Better show thumb to that life to show > that you do not give a damn to it when it becomes so > cruel. It indeed is bravery. I respect them. > > I have passed much time like this and I also do know > why people also take drugs... just like to escape > from life, they want to forget everything always > since they can not carry such pains. I know it > completely. I understand it completely. > > > Tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology > (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful > problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > - > surya vishnubhotla > > Monday, December 13, 2004 8:19 PM > Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th > House-->Suryaji > > > Dear Tanvir, > > Almost all of us seem to dabble with this > contradiction at some point of our lives or the > other > ... > > However, once you come out of these feelings u > realise > a few important things about life .. True love > does > exist. It has nothing to do with sex .. it is true > that relationships are essentially formed for > procreation but this dosent invalidate love ... > > Ayn rand and quite a number of people have > propogated > the same feeling that we do everything because of > selfish motive ... we give alms to feel better ... > so > essentially all motives are selfish ... > > I wont go into why I dont to that view > point > anymore, even though I once did feel that all is > fake > ... > > Everyone has to discover their own way out and > discover their own conception of love or > otherwise... > > However I will say that there is a huge difference > between saving self-interest and being selfish ... > if > there were no love and everything was selfish need > then probably there would be no pain as well ... > what > is selfish about something like a suicide? > > There are so many things to think about !! > > Surya. > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Inderji, what do we call people who harm others to satisfy their needs? vs people who satisfy their needs at the same time make sure it dosent harm anyone?? are both simply selfish? People argue that by giving charity you get satisfaction mentally (or punya) and hence it's not a selfless act ... my question is how can a quality of the mind be correlated to the material charity? Again, all people might not get the same level of satsfaction in giving ... so then are people having different levels of selfishness? I agree that whole creation is centered around self survival needs ... the question merely is: is that a negative trait as selfishness is potrayed? What abotu people who risk their lives to save others in danger? u might say they get the satisfaction of having saved as well !! .. but if u ask me I would chose to preseve my life than to be satisfied in such a way !! --- Inder <indervohra2001 wrote: > > In essence we can say that our exsitence is itself > selfish. > Each and every organism including human being needs > to survive. > Preserve life, sustain life, prolong life, create > life and all these > activities are my life. Survival of my life is a > need and in fact it > is selfish. > > And that way, creation and preservation of life is > what 'life' is. > Human being also add name/fame/money/hoarding etc > also as part of > life survival.[people should remember me after death > and I preserve > life after death even]. > > In this creation/preservation of life, the > cooperation between human > beings is very essential. That may perhaps be called > LOVE. > > Inder > > -- In , "Inder" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > Dear Tanvir, > > Very interesting , you have gone very > philosphical. > > We can say that selflessness is also selfish. > > Inder > > > > -- In , "Tanvir" > <ultimate@s...> > > wrote: > > > I did not say that love is all about sex. I said > that a love > > between "spouses" can "hardly be" non sexual. If > in a rare case a > > spouse's love is non sexual then it falls in to > the category of > love > > that seems to be selfless but IS selfish or > "self-centered". (Like > > say a mother's love for a child etc.) > > > > > > Of course there is selfishness about a suicide, > how can you > > overlook it? A person suicides in that very > condition when his > life > > is full of failure, pains that he can NOT carry. > He thinks that it > > is not possible for him to carry such pain, and > even DEATH would > be > > better than carrying this pain. If you play chess, > and start to > > lose, you might get bored and exhausted that you > resign it and > start > > over. If you find yourself attacked by terrorists > in some town you > > might prefer to move in to another town. But what > is when you feel > > that it is the *LIFE* that is causing all the > pains and sufferings > > that you can not carry at all ? You can not start > over a new game > > like chess or can not escape from the town to > avoid it. All you > can > > do is to escape *LIFE* and it MEANS suicidal. > > > > > > Even suicidal is selfish because the person > becomes unable to > > carry such pains in life so he needs release, he > needs betterment. > > By ending that life he knows he is not going to > carry such > problems > > and pains and unhappiness, so he wants to end it. > > > > > > Indeed, people who suicides do so because they > think that even > > death is better than the life they are in. > > > > > > Can you give me much examples who suicided in > happiness, or for > > they were very happy? NO ! > > > > > > And indeed suiciders are BRAVE to FACE DEATH. > Coward people can > > not face death and are afraid of death. They say > suiciding means > > losing to life. But actually living means > resigning to life in > those > > conditions. Better show thumb to that life to show > that you do not > > give a damn to it when it becomes so cruel. It > indeed is bravery. > I > > respect them. > > > > > > I have passed much time like this and I also do > know why people > > also take drugs... just like to escape from life, > they want to > > forget everything always since they can not carry > such pains. I > know > > it completely. I understand it completely. > > > > > > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic > Astrology (Jyotish) > > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful > problem solving > > remedies > > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > surya vishnubhotla > > > > > > Monday, December 13, 2004 8:19 PM > > > Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th > House-->Suryaji > > > > > > > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > > > Almost all of us seem to dabble with this > > > contradiction at some point of our lives or > the other > > > ... > > > > > > However, once you come out of these feelings u > realise > > > a few important things about life .. True love > does > > > exist. It has nothing to do with sex .. it is > true > > > that relationships are essentially formed for > > > procreation but this dosent invalidate love > ... > > > > > > Ayn rand and quite a number of people have > propogated > > > the same feeling that we do everything because > of > > > selfish motive ... we give alms to feel better > ... so > > > essentially all motives are selfish ... > > > > > > I wont go into why I dont to that > view point > > > anymore, even though I once did feel that all > is fake > > > ... > > > > > > Everyone has to discover their own way out and > > > discover their own conception of love or > otherwise... > > > > > > However I will say that there is a huge > difference > > > between saving self-interest and being selfish > ... if > > > there were no love and everything was selfish > need > > > then probably there would be no pain as well > ... what > > > is selfish about something like a suicide? > > > > > > There are so many things to think about !! > > > > > > Surya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > === message truncated === Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. 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Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Suryaji, Tell me your birth data.Than only I can comment seeing your chart. --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: > No sir, > > This is just a idle rambling (a wonder) at ur > perusal > .. > > I personally have a strong mars ... Vrischika lagna > with Mars in Aries, discounting other factors .. I > have been in both situations ... sexually dominated > .. > sexually dominating ... My Mars as I mentioned > earlier > is with Venus and mercury in aries.. > > One thing that occured to me was Mars is supposed to > be fully operational starting the 27th year ... > after > my 27th Year .. I have indeed observed increase in > agression from me ... again all this is very > subjective because so many other relative things > come > in here (as u would promptly mention that I should > take a refresher course in psychology ) > > Personally starting my 36 Year I will have my Mars > dasa and I have to wait and watch what happens !! > > Surya. > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: > > > > > Surya, > > > > If your belief is correct then all sex-abusers > would > > have strong mars > > and all sex-abused would have weak mars. Is this > > pattern observed? > > > > RR > > > > , surya > > vishnubhotla > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I tend to agree with this .. > > > > > > I believe Mars + Venus aggrevates sex in one way > > or > > > the other ... If Mars is strong then the person > is > > > aggressive sexually, Otherwise the person > accepts > > > abuse ... > > > > > > --- monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Gentlepeople: > > > > > > > > The notes made by Tanvir regarding Venus and > > Mars > > > > combination leading > > > > to sexual abuse is absolutely true. I had > > forgotten > > > > to mention it in > > > > my earlier note. > > > > > > > > Yep, Venus+Mars can mean the person is > > excessively > > > > sexual OR this > > > > person can be sexually abused or (advantage > > taken > > > > of) by others OR it > > > > can denote a sex-partner who is into rough-sex > > or > > > > sex-abuse. I've > > > > seen these attributes as well in Venus+Mars > > cases. > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > , > > "Tanvir" > > > > <ultimate@s...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > I was travelling very much to arranage some > > yajnas > > > > so had not been > > > > able to take part. I am still very busy in > > offering > > > > some paid > > > > readings. I am also writing a Rahu-Ketu > transit > > > > forecast for Express > > > > Starteller magazine. > > > > > > > > > > Well, I have seen people talking about > > Mars+Venus > > > > giving powerful > > > > libido, sex drive. However I know a female > > native > > > > very close who has > > > > Mars+Venus(+Mercury) in one sign and she never > > has > > > > any much libido, > > > > and rather very modest, systematic and gentle > > about > > > > these, having > > > > very sober desire for these. > > > > > > > > > > However her boyfriend has it too much and > she > > is > > > > often sort of in > > > > pressure in such things and even in misc > things > > > > about relationship, > > > > she is emotionally abused and under pressure. > > > > > > > > > > I have also seen a couple of other > Mars+Venus > > > > charts where I have > > > > not got a reason to think that they have much > > sex > > > > drive, but in all > > > > the cases there were abuses and hursh > treatments > > > > from spouses and > > > > boyfriends. > > > > > > > > > > So it can be both ways. And it is very > logical > > to > > > > think, too. > > > > > > > > > > Take an example. Saturn in 7th house can > give > > a > > > > sick, cold, old, > > > > non-romantic wife, or I have seen in practical > > that > > > > the native might > > > > be cold in relationship matters. There seem to > > be a > > > > lack of passion, > > > > emotion etc and more of responsibility. So it > is > > not > > > > always that the > > > > 7th house is only showing the wife and her > > > > behaviour, but rather it > > > > also seeing how the native himself is behaving > > to > > > > his spouse. Or in > > > > other words, it is actually showing the > married > > > > life, the > > > > relationship life, and how everything related > to > > > > this is happening in > > > > the life. What is the basic experience of > > native. So > > > > Saturn in 7th > > > > can show lack of passion which can be from > > either > > > > the natives side or > > > > from the spouse's side. > > > > > > > > > > I think Ve+Ma is also like this. It does not > > only > > > > show that the > > > > native has over sex drive, but might rather > show > > > > that his spouse / > > > > her spouse does have so and rather than > abusing, > > the > > > > native might > > > > also *be abused* emotionally or even > physically. > > So > > > > it is not always > > > > showing his behaviour but also what happens to > > > > him/her and what is > > > > there in the area of relationship - an overall > > view. > > > > > > > > > > Just my two bits. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 3rd June 1977 Chirala, India 17.42 hrs est --- Shripal <d_shripal wrote: > Suryaji, > > Tell me your birth data.Than only I can comment > seeing > your chart. > > > --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > wrote: > > > No sir, > > > > This is just a idle rambling (a wonder) at ur > > perusal > > .. > > > > I personally have a strong mars ... Vrischika > lagna > > with Mars in Aries, discounting other factors .. I > > have been in both situations ... sexually > dominated > > .. > > sexually dominating ... My Mars as I mentioned > > earlier > > is with Venus and mercury in aries.. > > > > One thing that occured to me was Mars is supposed > to > > be fully operational starting the 27th year ... > > after > > my 27th Year .. I have indeed observed increase in > > agression from me ... again all this is very > > subjective because so many other relative things > > come > > in here (as u would promptly mention that I should > > take a refresher course in psychology ) > > > > Personally starting my 36 Year I will have my Mars > > dasa and I have to wait and watch what happens !! > > > > Surya. > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: > > > > > > > > Surya, > > > > > > If your belief is correct then all sex-abusers > > would > > > have strong mars > > > and all sex-abused would have weak mars. Is this > > > pattern observed? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , surya > > > vishnubhotla > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I tend to agree with this .. > > > > > > > > I believe Mars + Venus aggrevates sex in one > way > > > or > > > > the other ... If Mars is strong then the > person > > is > > > > aggressive sexually, Otherwise the person > > accepts > > > > abuse ... > > > > > > > > --- monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Gentlepeople: > > > > > > > > > > The notes made by Tanvir regarding Venus and > > > Mars > > > > > combination leading > > > > > to sexual abuse is absolutely true. I had > > > forgotten > > > > > to mention it in > > > > > my earlier note. > > > > > > > > > > Yep, Venus+Mars can mean the person is > > > excessively > > > > > sexual OR this > > > > > person can be sexually abused or (advantage > > > taken > > > > > of) by others OR it > > > > > can denote a sex-partner who is into > rough-sex > > > or > > > > > sex-abuse. I've > > > > > seen these attributes as well in Venus+Mars > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > , > > > "Tanvir" > > > > > <ultimate@s...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > I was travelling very much to arranage > some > > > yajnas > > > > > so had not been > > > > > able to take part. I am still very busy in > > > offering > > > > > some paid > > > > > readings. I am also writing a Rahu-Ketu > > transit > > > > > forecast for Express > > > > > Starteller magazine. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I have seen people talking about > > > Mars+Venus > > > > > giving powerful > > > > > libido, sex drive. However I know a female > > > native > > > > > very close who has > > > > > Mars+Venus(+Mercury) in one sign and she > never > > > has > > > > > any much libido, > > > > > and rather very modest, systematic and > gentle > > > about > > > > > these, having > > > > > very sober desire for these. > > > > > > > > > > > > However her boyfriend has it too much and > > she > > > is > > > > > often sort of in > > > > > pressure in such things and even in misc > > things > > > > > about relationship, > > > > > she is emotionally abused and under > pressure. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have also seen a couple of other > > Mars+Venus > > > > > charts where I have > > > > > not got a reason to think that they have > much > > > sex > > > > > drive, but in all > > > > > the cases there were abuses and hursh > > treatments > > > > > from spouses and > > > > > boyfriends. > > > > > > > > > > > > So it can be both ways. And it is very > > logical > > > to > > > > > think, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Take an example. Saturn in 7th house can > > give > > > a > > > > > sick, cold, old, > > > > > non-romantic wife, or I have seen in > practical > > > that > > > > > the native might > > > > > be cold in relationship matters. There seem > to > > > be a > > > > > lack of passion, > > > > > emotion etc and more of responsibility. So > it > > is > > > not > > > > > always that the > > > > > 7th house is only showing the wife and her > > > > > behaviour, but rather it > > > > > also seeing how the native himself is > behaving > > > to > > > > > his spouse. Or in > > > > > other words, it is actually showing the > > married > > > > > life, the > > > > > relationship life, and how everything > related > > to > > > > > this is happening in > > > > > the life. What is the basic experience of > > > native. So > > > > > Saturn in 7th > > > > > can show lack of passion which can be from > > > either > > > > > the natives side or > > > > > from the spouse's side. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Ve+Ma is also like this. It does > not > === message truncated === Meet the all-new My - Try it today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Hi, Seeing your Scorpio rising chart Mars and Venus are excatly of same degrees,Mars is stronger than Venus.That unity is vargottam in Navmasa.SO effect of Mars and Venus is maximum in your case.In Navamasa it is in earth sign.And in Lagna it is in Fire.This show that you are totally libido,As jupiter aspect is not there in any chart,so there is no control while you are having sex. Time must have come when you must have got obsessed with sex.To martian becomes do get frustrated in life by indulging in same activity again and again.To make it worst saturn and mars are aspecting each other 100%.So everthing can be kept secret(Affairs).Jupiter is also weak,so any way he is not stopping you.Rahu is exalted vargottam,So it will try to boost what ever you are going to do and make you a winner.Exalted Ketu in 7th in Navmasa show's detachment from wife or seperation. --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: > 3rd June 1977 > Chirala, India > 17.42 hrs est > > --- Shripal <d_shripal wrote: > > > Suryaji, > > > > Tell me your birth data.Than only I can comment > > seeing > > your chart. > > > > > > --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > > wrote: > > > > > No sir, > > > > > > This is just a idle rambling (a wonder) at ur > > > perusal > > > .. > > > > > > I personally have a strong mars ... Vrischika > > lagna > > > with Mars in Aries, discounting other factors .. > I > > > have been in both situations ... sexually > > dominated > > > .. > > > sexually dominating ... My Mars as I mentioned > > > earlier > > > is with Venus and mercury in aries.. > > > > > > One thing that occured to me was Mars is > supposed > > to > > > be fully operational starting the 27th year ... > > > after > > > my 27th Year .. I have indeed observed increase > in > > > agression from me ... again all this is very > > > subjective because so many other relative things > > > come > > > in here (as u would promptly mention that I > should > > > take a refresher course in psychology ) > > > > > > Personally starting my 36 Year I will have my > Mars > > > dasa and I have to wait and watch what happens > !! > > > > > > Surya. > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Surya, > > > > > > > > If your belief is correct then all sex-abusers > > > would > > > > have strong mars > > > > and all sex-abused would have weak mars. Is > this > > > > pattern observed? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , surya > > > > vishnubhotla > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > I tend to agree with this .. > > > > > > > > > > I believe Mars + Venus aggrevates sex in one > > way > > > > or > > > > > the other ... If Mars is strong then the > > person > > > is > > > > > aggressive sexually, Otherwise the person > > > accepts > > > > > abuse ... > > > > > > > > > > --- monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Gentlepeople: > > > > > > > > > > > > The notes made by Tanvir regarding Venus > and > > > > Mars > > > > > > combination leading > > > > > > to sexual abuse is absolutely true. I had > > > > forgotten > > > > > > to mention it in > > > > > > my earlier note. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep, Venus+Mars can mean the person is > > > > excessively > > > > > > sexual OR this > > > > > > person can be sexually abused or > (advantage > > > > taken > > > > > > of) by others OR it > > > > > > can denote a sex-partner who is into > > rough-sex > > > > or > > > > > > sex-abuse. I've > > > > > > seen these attributes as well in > Venus+Mars > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > "Tanvir" > > > > > > <ultimate@s...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was travelling very much to arranage > > some > > > > yajnas > > > > > > so had not been > > > > > > able to take part. I am still very busy in > > > > offering > > > > > > some paid > > > > > > readings. I am also writing a Rahu-Ketu > > > transit > > > > > > forecast for Express > > > > > > Starteller magazine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I have seen people talking about > > > > Mars+Venus > > > > > > giving powerful > > > > > > libido, sex drive. However I know a female > > > > native > > > > > > very close who has > > > > > > Mars+Venus(+Mercury) in one sign and she > > never > > > > has > > > > > > any much libido, > > > > > > and rather very modest, systematic and > > gentle > > > > about > > > > > > these, having > > > > > > very sober desire for these. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However her boyfriend has it too much > and > > > she > > > > is > > > > > > often sort of in > > > > > > pressure in such things and even in misc > > > things > > > > > > about relationship, > > > > > > she is emotionally abused and under > > pressure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have also seen a couple of other > > > Mars+Venus > > > > > > charts where I have > > > > > > not got a reason to think that they have > > much > > > > sex > > > > > > drive, but in all > > > > > > the cases there were abuses and hursh > > > treatments > > > > > > from spouses and > > > > > > boyfriends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it can be both ways. And it is very > > > logical > > > > to > > > > > > think, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take an example. Saturn in 7th house can > > > give > > > > a > > > > > > sick, cold, old, > > > > > > non-romantic wife, or I have seen in > > practical > > > > that > > > > > > the native might > > > > > > be cold in relationship matters. There > seem > > to > > > > be a > > > > > > lack of passion, > > > > > > emotion etc and more of responsibility. So > > it > > > is > > > > not > > > > > > always that the > > > > > > 7th house is only showing the wife and her > > > > > > behaviour, but rather it > > > > > > also seeing how the native himself is > > behaving > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Dear Shriphal, You have given good analysis. I would like to add some points as per Kp: 1] Separation from wife is not indicated. It is clear case of two attachments simultaneusly. 2]Jupiter's aspect to Mars+Venus+ Sat etc does not reduce libido anyway, however this is not the case in Surya's chart. Jupiter in 7th house saves him from complicacies. 3] Ketu in 5th ensures his spritual leanings and helping others always, by astrology or by other means. 4]Mars and Venus are in 5th house although in 6th sign from lagna ie Aries. 5]Mercury in 6th house shows his problems with wife, as Mer is lord of 8th also. And inspite of Ketu in 5th some of his actions will be quite harmful to others. Good luck to you Surya.. Inder - In , Shripal <d_shripal> wrote: > Hi, > > Seeing your Scorpio rising chart Mars and Venus are > excatly of same degrees,Mars is stronger than > Venus.That unity is vargottam in Navmasa.SO effect of > Mars and Venus is maximum in your case.In Navamasa it > is in earth sign.And in Lagna it is in Fire.This show > that you are totally libido,As jupiter aspect is not > there in any chart,so there is no control while you > are having sex. > > Time must have come when you must have got obsessed > with sex.To martian becomes do get frustrated in life > by indulging in same activity again and again.To make > it worst saturn and mars are aspecting each other > 100%.So everthing can be kept secret(Affairs).Jupiter > is also weak,so any way he is not stopping you.Rahu is > exalted vargottam,So it will try to boost what ever > you are going to do and make you a winner.Exalted Ketu > in 7th in Navmasa show's detachment from wife or > seperation. > > --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> > wrote: > > > 3rd June 1977 > > Chirala, India > > 17.42 hrs est > > > > --- Shripal <d_shripal> wrote: > > > > > Suryaji, > > > > > > Tell me your birth data.Than only I can comment > > > seeing > > > your chart. > > > > > > > > > --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > No sir, > > > > > > > > This is just a idle rambling (a wonder) at ur > > > > perusal > > > > .. > > > > > > > > I personally have a strong mars ... Vrischika > > > lagna > > > > with Mars in Aries, discounting other factors .. > > I > > > > have been in both situations ... sexually > > > dominated > > > > .. > > > > sexually dominating ... My Mars as I mentioned > > > > earlier > > > > is with Venus and mercury in aries.. > > > > > > > > One thing that occured to me was Mars is > > supposed > > > to > > > > be fully operational starting the 27th year ... > > > > after > > > > my 27th Year .. I have indeed observed increase > > in > > > > agression from me ... again all this is very > > > > subjective because so many other relative things > > > > come > > > > in here (as u would promptly mention that I > > should > > > > take a refresher course in psychology ) > > > > > > > > Personally starting my 36 Year I will have my > > Mars > > > > dasa and I have to wait and watch what happens > > !! > > > > > > > > Surya. > > > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surya, > > > > > > > > > > If your belief is correct then all sex-abusers > > > > would > > > > > have strong mars > > > > > and all sex-abused would have weak mars. Is > > this > > > > > pattern observed? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , surya > > > > > vishnubhotla > > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > I tend to agree with this .. > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe Mars + Venus aggrevates sex in one > > > way > > > > > or > > > > > > the other ... If Mars is strong then the > > > person > > > > is > > > > > > aggressive sexually, Otherwise the person > > > > accepts > > > > > > abuse ... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Gentlepeople: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The notes made by Tanvir regarding Venus > > and > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > combination leading > > > > > > > to sexual abuse is absolutely true. I had > > > > > forgotten > > > > > > > to mention it in > > > > > > > my earlier note. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep, Venus+Mars can mean the person is > > > > > excessively > > > > > > > sexual OR this > > > > > > > person can be sexually abused or > > (advantage > > > > > taken > > > > > > > of) by others OR it > > > > > > > can denote a sex-partner who is into > > > rough-sex > > > > > or > > > > > > > sex-abuse. I've > > > > > > > seen these attributes as well in > > Venus+Mars > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > "Tanvir" > > > > > > > <ultimate@s...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was travelling very much to arranage > > > some > > > > > yajnas > > > > > > > so had not been > > > > > > > able to take part. I am still very busy in > > > > > offering > > > > > > > some paid > > > > > > > readings. I am also writing a Rahu-Ketu > > > > transit > > > > > > > forecast for Express > > > > > > > Starteller magazine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I have seen people talking about > > > > > Mars+Venus > > > > > > > giving powerful > > > > > > > libido, sex drive. However I know a female > > > > > native > > > > > > > very close who has > > > > > > > Mars+Venus(+Mercury) in one sign and she > > > never > > > > > has > > > > > > > any much libido, > > > > > > > and rather very modest, systematic and > > > gentle > > > > > about > > > > > > > these, having > > > > > > > very sober desire for these. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However her boyfriend has it too much > > and > > > > she > > > > > is > > > > > > > often sort of in > > > > > > > pressure in such things and even in misc > > > > things > > > > > > > about relationship, > > > > > > > she is emotionally abused and under > > > pressure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have also seen a couple of other > > > > Mars+Venus > > > > > > > charts where I have > > > > > > > not got a reason to think that they have > > > much > > > > > sex > > > > > > > drive, but in all > > > > > > > the cases there were abuses and hursh > > > > treatments > > > > > > > from spouses and > > > > > > > boyfriends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So it can be both ways. And it is very > > > > logical > > > > > to > > > > > > > think, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take an example. Saturn in 7th house can > > > > give > > > > > a > > > > > > > sick, cold, old, > > > > > > > non-romantic wife, or I have seen in > > > practical > > > > > that > > > > > > > the native might > > > > > > > be cold in relationship matters. There > > seem > > > to > > > > > be a > > > > > > > lack of passion, > > > > > > > emotion etc and more of responsibility. So > > > it > > > > is > > > > > not > > > > > > > always that the > > > > > > > 7th house is only showing the wife and her > > > > > > > behaviour, but rather it > > > > > > > also seeing how the native himself is > > > behaving > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Hi Inder, 1)Jupiter does not control libido,I think it does,may be it will stop a person sometime falling in an act.Jupiter by nature is a healer,so it will help him to get away froom complicatios, as well as stop a person from indulging in extra marital affairs. 2)Mars+venus+ketu in 6th house,So mostly affairs will be related to work place. 3)Ketu in 7th will make him spiritual,that is true,but it is a seperater of a wif too.can be seen in Navmasa.May be living together as a stranger, as ketu is exalted. 4)Sun makes hhim egoistic and jupiter gives him big face and lookwise, a gentlemen. --- Inder <indervohra2001 wrote: > > Dear Shriphal, > You have given good analysis. I would like to add > some points as per > Kp: > 1] Separation from wife is not indicated. It is > clear case of two > attachments simultaneusly. > 2]Jupiter's aspect to Mars+Venus+ Sat etc does not > reduce libido > anyway, however this is not the case in Surya's > chart. Jupiter in > 7th house saves him from complicacies. > 3] Ketu in 5th ensures his spritual leanings and > helping others > always, by astrology or by other means. > 4]Mars and Venus are in 5th house although in 6th > sign from lagna ie > Aries. > 5]Mercury in 6th house shows his problems with wife, > as Mer is lord > of 8th also. And inspite of Ketu in 5th some of his > actions will be > quite harmful to others. > Good luck to you Surya.. > Inder > > - In , Shripal > <d_shripal> > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Seeing your Scorpio rising chart Mars and Venus > are > > excatly of same degrees,Mars is stronger than > > Venus.That unity is vargottam in Navmasa.SO effect > of > > Mars and Venus is maximum in your case.In Navamasa > it > > is in earth sign.And in Lagna it is in Fire.This > show > > that you are totally libido,As jupiter aspect is > not > > there in any chart,so there is no control while > you > > are having sex. > > > > Time must have come when you must have got > obsessed > > with sex.To martian becomes do get frustrated in > life > > by indulging in same activity again and again.To > make > > it worst saturn and mars are aspecting each other > > 100%.So everthing can be kept > secret(Affairs).Jupiter > > is also weak,so any way he is not stopping > you.Rahu is > > exalted vargottam,So it will try to boost what > ever > > you are going to do and make you a winner.Exalted > Ketu > > in 7th in Navmasa show's detachment from wife or > > seperation. > > > > --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> > > wrote: > > > > > 3rd June 1977 > > > Chirala, India > > > 17.42 hrs est > > > > > > --- Shripal <d_shripal> wrote: > > > > > > > Suryaji, > > > > > > > > Tell me your birth data.Than only I can > comment > > > > seeing > > > > your chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > No sir, > > > > > > > > > > This is just a idle rambling (a wonder) at > ur > > > > > perusal > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > I personally have a strong mars ... > Vrischika > > > > lagna > > > > > with Mars in Aries, discounting other > factors .. > > > I > > > > > have been in both situations ... sexually > > > > dominated > > > > > .. > > > > > sexually dominating ... My Mars as I > mentioned > > > > > earlier > > > > > is with Venus and mercury in aries.. > > > > > > > > > > One thing that occured to me was Mars is > > > supposed > > > > to > > > > > be fully operational starting the 27th year > ... > > > > > after > > > > > my 27th Year .. I have indeed observed > increase > > > in > > > > > agression from me ... again all this is > very > > > > > subjective because so many other relative > things > > > > > come > > > > > in here (as u would promptly mention that I > > > should > > > > > take a refresher course in psychology ) > > > > > > > > > > Personally starting my 36 Year I will have > my > > > Mars > > > > > dasa and I have to wait and watch what > happens > > > !! > > > > > > > > > > Surya. > > > > > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surya, > > > > > > > > > > > > If your belief is correct then all > sex-abusers > > > > > would > > > > > > have strong mars > > > > > > and all sex-abused would have weak mars. > Is > > > this > > > > > > pattern observed? > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , > surya > > > > > > vishnubhotla > > > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tend to agree with this .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe Mars + Venus aggrevates sex in > one > > > > way > > > > > > or > > > > > > > the other ... If Mars is strong then the > > > > person > > > > > is > > > > > > > aggressive sexually, Otherwise the > person > > > > > accepts > > > > > > > abuse ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Gentlepeople: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The notes made by Tanvir regarding > Venus > > > and > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > combination leading > > > > > > > > to sexual abuse is absolutely true. I > had > > > > > > forgotten > > > > > > > > to mention it in > > > > > > > > my earlier note. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep, Venus+Mars can mean the person is > > > > > > excessively > > > > > > > > sexual OR this > > > > > > > > person can be sexually abused or > > > (advantage > > > > > > taken > > > > > > > > of) by others OR it > > > > > > > > can denote a sex-partner who is into > > > > rough-sex > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > sex-abuse. I've > > > > > > > > seen these attributes as well in > > > Venus+Mars > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Dear Surya, Mahatma Gandhiji had the same Mars + Venus + Mercury combination that you have..... You are far too intelligent to need me to draw the inferences from this example :-) Sincerely, Sreelatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Sreelatha garu !! Thanks for prompting me into writing my autobiography .... well let me think maybe I will name it "My experiments and MY truths" Just kidding ... Surya --- "V. Sreelatha" <venkatarama_sastry wrote: > > Dear Surya, > > Mahatma Gandhiji had the same Mars + Venus + Mercury > combination > that you have..... You are far too intelligent to > need me to draw > the inferences from this example :-) > > Sincerely, > Sreelatha > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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