Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Hi, Very good in interpretation the way to thing.If for a moment you see all this things in a unselfish way,than you will realise a unselfish Love does exist.It can be for GOD,for mother for loved ones.Here you are not getting a point.What ever you have said is totally agreeable.But some people do exist in this filthy world who help other's for just nothing,Who daily pray to god as a routine work and ask for nothing,who takes other people's greivances,just for nothing, All this are nothing but a pure form of LOVE.It's like daan.You expect nothing for what you do to others.You really don't have to do sex ,if you just love someone other than your husband.It can be just LOVE."Love has got nothing to do with bodies". So Love is to Love,not to see one as selfishly or unselfishly.State of mind is transient when oyu are in Love with some one.You ask thousand times yourself,but no answer is there for that,why why you are attaracted to her,even if she is married or not,is that sex,but you don't want to do with her that too,you just want to be with her and hold her hands and dream away.Love is just to be with someone with no reason.It can be with God,mother or wife.Or with your paintings,your own art,yourself.All this are diff forms of Love.Just to open eyes and see it.But whole truth is your percentage of unselfishness should be higher than selfishness.Because in a view you can stay,that one day you will become 100% unselfish for someone you LOVE. --- Tanvir <ultimate wrote: > Well, in my view - a love in hus/wife can hardly be > a non-sexual love. > > Regardless a husband's love to wife, or a wife's > love to a husband - there is always a sexual reason > there. If it is direct and visible, we say it is > "sexual love". If in background, we say it is, "True > love". But no true love is there in this world. That > is the truth, a dirty truth. But the ultimate truth. > > And I would totally disagree that if a married woman > is joining someone else then it is for "love" and > not "lust". I totally disagree. It can be for lust, > for she is not getting enough sex treatments from > her husband. It might be delibarate, planned. Or it > might be an accident when she falls victim of > situatio and submits her to the man for her secret > sexual dissatisfaction. > > Or it might be so that she has no sex desire but her > husband lacks in love and emotion and care, that a > female heart seeks badly. Then she might find some > man so soft and caring then her heart seeks love and > care. (This is perhaps you wanted to mean.) But even > in this case sex will follow. > > Or it can be so that a lady gets enough sex, enough > love, enough care but still needs some change, some > variation, and gets in to secret relationships. > > Anything can happen. > > Life is so critical, so dirty. > > Love is regarded as the most selfless thing. In real > it is the most selfish thing. Love is nothing than a > desire to make oneself happy. One loves to make > himself happy and not to make the loved one happy as > we think. > > Even pure love like a mother's love is selfish. > Mother loves the child because it is HER child and > made of her blood and cells. My mother loves me not > for I am "Tanvir" (the person) but for I am HER > CHILD. If I am not her child, and X is, she would > love X. If Y were, she would love Y. It has to do > her feeling who came out of her body made of her > blood whom she carried with love for 9 months. > > A pregnant woman never saw the kid but still loves > it. Why? Because it is inside her, made of her. > > Fathers' love is not as intense and as powerful like > mother's love in general. The reason is very > visible, father is less involved with the kid - he > does nothing physical than donating the sperm. > Mother does all the physical things like harbouring > the child inside her for a long time, nourishing it, > bring it up, giving birth to it, feeding her breast > to it etc. So the reason of love is very visible. > Mother or father, never love the child for as the > person, but only for it is their child. It has to do > with whom they created from their own blood and > flesh. So it directly shows that they are concerned > about themselves, they are loving someone that is > created from them. > > On the other hand, a girlfriend's love for a > boyfriend is not this "blind" like parents love. But > this love is about the "person". However, this love > is mostly about the person's beauty, the way he > looks, the way he talks, his qualifications etc etc. > So this is the dirty side too. Marital love also > expects return, and it centers on the persons > qualification, physical or mental beauty. So here it > fails and parents love wins. Parents love does not > want return, and has nothing to do with the > qualification, beauty or anything. Here it wins. But > parents love is also blind and is about "Who is the > child of them" and not personal love, and there it > fails. > > So both loves fail. All are fake. Loving the kid > makes the mother happy. So she loves it to make > herself happy. If my mother right now knows that the > kid of enighbour is actually her child, she would > start loving it. Here it fails. it is not about the > person, but about whom she gave birth of. > > So all the love fails. Love is just a desire, the > most selfish thing in this world. > > Even love to God fails. We know god as most true, > pure being. Most auspicious. he protects the good > and punishes the bad. He created us, protects us, > keep us alive. So even our love for God has to do > with who "created us", "protecting us", "nourishing > us" etc etc. So even here we are self centered. We > are selfish. We know loving god will ensure our > future happiness. We love him for his greatness, for > he is so pure. And we hate Satan for he does bad to > us. > > So, my conclusion is that, all love are fake, > selfish. Love is most dirty thing here, pretending > to be so pure and beautiful, but being most selfish > and dirty indeed. This is the ultimate truth. > > And I feel very sad and feel no interest to this > world for a while when think these very deeply. And > I think it is better not to know such truths... > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology > (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful > problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > > - > Shripal > > Thursday, December 09, 2004 6:00 PM > Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th > House-->Suryaji > > > Hi, > > Here my point is that,Mars,Venus and Rahu are only > planets those are involved in sexual > activity.There > approaching way will be depending upon a placement > in > different houses and rashis.All other planets just > give boost or depreciate the activity.they are not > directly involved in Love or Sexual act. > > Sexual relationship is purely created on a basis > of > this 3 planets. > > I will tell you one incident,a wife may Love is > husband a truely or just sexually ,it is very > difficult to say. > But if she is getting indulge in other person than > his > husband, it can be purely because of > LOVE(venus),if > venus is free from all afflictions.,so that she > doen't > LOVE his husband,2nd thing but while indulging in > sexual activity,she closes her eyes and pretending > LOVES,whom she loves very much.So you can now see > SEX > and LOVE are two diff aspects of life.Same thing > can > be other way round. > > Here astrologically doesn't make sense,but that's > how > normally women behaves.same thing doesn't really > totally apply for a man.Man are mostly > passionate,than > a real Lover.Women can be good lover as well as > passionate because she has a gifted power by GOD > to > be a mother.So she can be a good Lover.But for > man,I > doubt,there are few exceptions.But more of a for > man,Love is more about sex and not just a pure > Love.That's why they are rigid.While woman are > soft > and delicate. > > One quote's of Bhrama Kumaris:"Love has got > nothing to > do with bodies" also "A single drop of pure love > is > like a ocean in a desert" > > you should see charts with Venus exalted and alone > and > not afflicted my any planets.They are Lover of > God.However debiliated Venus are more off physical > level Love than a spiritual level. > > Mars and Rahu don't know a damn thing about LOVE. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Meet the all-new My - Try it today! 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Guest guest Posted December 10, 2004 Report Share Posted December 10, 2004 Hi all, Very interesting indeed. I think if we keep on searching love like the blind men seaching and feeling big elephant, we would surely be finding love, someday or other. My small input is : We can love only when we love ourselves. So certainly it is selfish. But it is certainly not dirty as it gives you immence pleasures and pains to enjoy. Inder -- In , Shripal <d_shripal> wrote: > Hi, > > > Very good in interpretation the way to thing.If for a > moment you see all this things in a unselfish way,than > you will realise a unselfish Love does exist.It can be > for GOD,for mother for loved ones.Here you are not > getting a point.What ever you have said is totally > agreeable.But some people do exist in this filthy > world who help other's for just nothing,Who daily pray > to god as a routine work and ask for nothing,who takes > other people's greivances,just for nothing, All this > are nothing but a pure form of LOVE.It's like daan.You > expect nothing for what you do to others.You really > don't have to do sex ,if you just love someone other > than your husband.It can be just LOVE."Love has got > nothing to do with bodies". > > So Love is to Love,not to see one as selfishly or > unselfishly.State of mind is transient when oyu are in > Love with some one.You ask thousand times yourself,but > no answer is there for that,why why you are attaracted > to her,even if she is married or not,is that sex,but > you don't want to do with her that too,you just want > to be with her and hold her hands and dream away.Love > is just to be with someone with no reason.It can be > with God,mother or wife.Or with your paintings,your > own art,yourself.All this are diff forms of Love.Just > to open eyes and see it.But whole truth is your > percentage of unselfishness should be higher than > selfishness.Because in a view you can stay,that one > day you will become 100% unselfish for someone you > LOVE. > > > --- Tanvir <ultimate@s...> wrote: > > > Well, in my view - a love in hus/wife can hardly be > > a non-sexual love. > > > > Regardless a husband's love to wife, or a wife's > > love to a husband - there is always a sexual reason > > there. If it is direct and visible, we say it is > > "sexual love". If in background, we say it is, "True > > love". But no true love is there in this world. That > > is the truth, a dirty truth. But the ultimate truth. > > > > And I would totally disagree that if a married woman > > is joining someone else then it is for "love" and > > not "lust". I totally disagree. It can be for lust, > > for she is not getting enough sex treatments from > > her husband. It might be delibarate, planned. Or it > > might be an accident when she falls victim of > > situatio and submits her to the man for her secret > > sexual dissatisfaction. > > > > Or it might be so that she has no sex desire but her > > husband lacks in love and emotion and care, that a > > female heart seeks badly. Then she might find some > > man so soft and caring then her heart seeks love and > > care. (This is perhaps you wanted to mean.) But even > > in this case sex will follow. > > > > Or it can be so that a lady gets enough sex, enough > > love, enough care but still needs some change, some > > variation, and gets in to secret relationships. > > > > Anything can happen. > > > > Life is so critical, so dirty. > > > > Love is regarded as the most selfless thing. In real > > it is the most selfish thing. Love is nothing than a > > desire to make oneself happy. One loves to make > > himself happy and not to make the loved one happy as > > we think. > > > > Even pure love like a mother's love is selfish. > > Mother loves the child because it is HER child and > > made of her blood and cells. My mother loves me not > > for I am "Tanvir" (the person) but for I am HER > > CHILD. If I am not her child, and X is, she would > > love X. If Y were, she would love Y. It has to do > > her feeling who came out of her body made of her > > blood whom she carried with love for 9 months. > > > > A pregnant woman never saw the kid but still loves > > it. Why? Because it is inside her, made of her. > > > > Fathers' love is not as intense and as powerful like > > mother's love in general. The reason is very > > visible, father is less involved with the kid - he > > does nothing physical than donating the sperm. > > Mother does all the physical things like harbouring > > the child inside her for a long time, nourishing it, > > bring it up, giving birth to it, feeding her breast > > to it etc. So the reason of love is very visible. > > Mother or father, never love the child for as the > > person, but only for it is their child. It has to do > > with whom they created from their own blood and > > flesh. So it directly shows that they are concerned > > about themselves, they are loving someone that is > > created from them. > > > > On the other hand, a girlfriend's love for a > > boyfriend is not this "blind" like parents love. But > > this love is about the "person". However, this love > > is mostly about the person's beauty, the way he > > looks, the way he talks, his qualifications etc etc. > > So this is the dirty side too. Marital love also > > expects return, and it centers on the persons > > qualification, physical or mental beauty. So here it > > fails and parents love wins. Parents love does not > > want return, and has nothing to do with the > > qualification, beauty or anything. Here it wins. But > > parents love is also blind and is about "Who is the > > child of them" and not personal love, and there it > > fails. > > > > So both loves fail. All are fake. Loving the kid > > makes the mother happy. So she loves it to make > > herself happy. If my mother right now knows that the > > kid of enighbour is actually her child, she would > > start loving it. Here it fails. it is not about the > > person, but about whom she gave birth of. > > > > So all the love fails. Love is just a desire, the > > most selfish thing in this world. > > > > Even love to God fails. We know god as most true, > > pure being. Most auspicious. he protects the good > > and punishes the bad. He created us, protects us, > > keep us alive. So even our love for God has to do > > with who "created us", "protecting us", "nourishing > > us" etc etc. So even here we are self centered. We > > are selfish. We know loving god will ensure our > > future happiness. We love him for his greatness, for > > he is so pure. And we hate Satan for he does bad to > > us. > > > > So, my conclusion is that, all love are fake, > > selfish. Love is most dirty thing here, pretending > > to be so pure and beautiful, but being most selfish > > and dirty indeed. This is the ultimate truth. > > > > And I feel very sad and feel no interest to this > > world for a while when think these very deeply. And > > I think it is better not to know such truths... > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology > > (Jyotish) > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful > > problem solving remedies > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > - > > Shripal > > > > Thursday, December 09, 2004 6:00 PM > > Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th > > House-->Suryaji > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Here my point is that,Mars,Venus and Rahu are only > > planets those are involved in sexual > > activity.There > > approaching way will be depending upon a placement > > in > > different houses and rashis.All other planets just > > give boost or depreciate the activity.they are not > > directly involved in Love or Sexual act. > > > > Sexual relationship is purely created on a basis > > of > > this 3 planets. > > > > I will tell you one incident,a wife may Love is > > husband a truely or just sexually ,it is very > > difficult to say. > > But if she is getting indulge in other person than > > his > > husband, it can be purely because of > > LOVE(venus),if > > venus is free from all afflictions.,so that she > > doen't > > LOVE his husband,2nd thing but while indulging in > > sexual activity,she closes her eyes and pretending > > LOVES,whom she loves very much.So you can now see > > SEX > > and LOVE are two diff aspects of life.Same thing > > can > > be other way round. > > > > Here astrologically doesn't make sense,but that's > > how > > normally women behaves.same thing doesn't really > > totally apply for a man.Man are mostly > > passionate,than > > a real Lover.Women can be good lover as well as > > passionate because she has a gifted power by GOD > > to > > be a mother.So she can be a good Lover.But for > > man,I > > doubt,there are few exceptions.But more of a for > > man,Love is more about sex and not just a pure > > Love.That's why they are rigid.While woman are > > soft > > and delicate. > > > > One quote's of Bhrama Kumaris:"Love has got > > nothing to > > do with bodies" also "A single drop of pure love > > is > > like a ocean in a desert" > > > > you should see charts with Venus exalted and alone > > and > > not afflicted my any planets.They are Lover of > > God.However debiliated Venus are more off physical > > level Love than a spiritual level. > > > > Mars and Rahu don't know a damn thing about LOVE. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > Meet the all-new My - Try it today! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Thanks for understanding my points and stating that it's agreeable. The question you raised is a very good question, such as, "What love when we feel kindness or love to a poor hungry child and offer him food that has nothing to do with selfishness?" Basically, it has. It appears that offering food to a poor person has nothing to do with selfishness, but it certainly has. Because it is YOUR URGE and YOUR FEELING that is telling you to do so, to offer food - and by offering food you are *satisfying* your *SELF* and attaining happiness and peace. By offering food and perceived "selfless help" you are "feeling better" and feeling peace and wellness of mind. You are doing for what you are having an urge coming from your inside. It is the urge of *you* that you are satisfying. My answer might sound strange at first but think it deeply you will realize that it is the truth. Kind people are kind for they are *that way* and they like to be kind, they feel better to be kind, it is their urge and intention that they satisfy. Similarly a wicked person feel the urge to to evil things so he does it. Kind person is not good, and wicker person is not bad - this is the ultimate fact and even from astrology it is true that each of them follow their own karma satisfying what they are suppossed to do as per their chart and Dasa Bhukti. And even scientifically it is a matter of their genes and what would be the exact response for the exact person in a particular situation. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - Shripal Saturday, December 11, 2004 11:56 AM Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th House-->Tanvirji Hi, Very good in interpretation the way to thing.If for a moment you see all this things in a unselfish way,than you will realise a unselfish Love does exist.It can be for GOD,for mother for loved ones.Here you are not getting a point.What ever you have said is totally agreeable.But some people do exist in this filthy world who help other's for just nothing,Who daily pray to god as a routine work and ask for nothing,who takes other people's greivances,just for nothing, All this are nothing but a pure form of LOVE.It's like daan.You expect nothing for what you do to others.You really don't have to do sex ,if you just love someone other than your husband.It can be just LOVE."Love has got nothing to do with bodies". So Love is to Love,not to see one as selfishly or unselfishly.State of mind is transient when oyu are in Love with some one.You ask thousand times yourself,but no answer is there for that,why why you are attaracted to her,even if she is married or not,is that sex,but you don't want to do with her that too,you just want to be with her and hold her hands and dream away.Love is just to be with someone with no reason.It can be with God,mother or wife.Or with your paintings,your own art,yourself.All this are diff forms of Love.Just to open eyes and see it.But whole truth is your percentage of unselfishness should be higher than selfishness.Because in a view you can stay,that one day you will become 100% unselfish for someone you LOVE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 In addition to this, I must also quote two verses from Bhagvat Gita which are very fabourite and adored verses to me - "Everyone is forced to act helplessly according to the qualities he has acquired from the modes of material nature; therefore no one can refrain from doing something, not even for a moment." "One who can see that all activities are performed by the body, which is created of material nature, and sees that the self does nothing, actually sees." Let me know if you think I am misunderstanding them. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - Tanvir Tuesday, December 14, 2004 4:26 PM Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th House-->Tanvirji Thanks for understanding my points and stating that it's agreeable. The question you raised is a very good question, such as, "What love when we feel kindness or love to a poor hungry child and offer him food that has nothing to do with selfishness?" Basically, it has. It appears that offering food to a poor person has nothing to do with selfishness, but it certainly has. Because it is YOUR URGE and YOUR FEELING that is telling you to do so, to offer food - and by offering food you are *satisfying* your *SELF* and attaining happiness and peace. By offering food and perceived "selfless help" you are "feeling better" and feeling peace and wellness of mind. You are doing for what you are having an urge coming from your inside. It is the urge of *you* that you are satisfying. My answer might sound strange at first but think it deeply you will realize that it is the truth. Kind people are kind for they are *that way* and they like to be kind, they feel better to be kind, it is their urge and intention that they satisfy. Similarly a wicked person feel the urge to to evil things so he does it. Kind person is not good, and wicker person is not bad - this is the ultimate fact and even from astrology it is true that each of them follow their own karma satisfying what they are suppossed to do as per their chart and Dasa Bhukti. And even scientifically it is a matter of their genes and what would be the exact response for the exact person in a particular situation. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - Shripal Saturday, December 11, 2004 11:56 AM Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th House-->Tanvirji Hi, Very good in interpretation the way to thing.If for a moment you see all this things in a unselfish way,than you will realise a unselfish Love does exist.It can be for GOD,for mother for loved ones.Here you are not getting a point.What ever you have said is totally agreeable.But some people do exist in this filthy world who help other's for just nothing,Who daily pray to god as a routine work and ask for nothing,who takes other people's greivances,just for nothing, All this are nothing but a pure form of LOVE.It's like daan.You expect nothing for what you do to others.You really don't have to do sex ,if you just love someone other than your husband.It can be just LOVE."Love has got nothing to do with bodies". So Love is to Love,not to see one as selfishly or unselfishly.State of mind is transient when oyu are in Love with some one.You ask thousand times yourself,but no answer is there for that,why why you are attaracted to her,even if she is married or not,is that sex,but you don't want to do with her that too,you just want to be with her and hold her hands and dream away.Love is just to be with someone with no reason.It can be with God,mother or wife.Or with your paintings,your own art,yourself.All this are diff forms of Love.Just to open eyes and see it.But whole truth is your percentage of unselfishness should be higher than selfishness.Because in a view you can stay,that one day you will become 100% unselfish for someone you LOVE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Good -- In , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> wrote: > Thanks for understanding my points and stating that it's agreeable. The question you raised is a very good question, such as, "What love when we feel kindness or love to a poor hungry child and offer him food that has nothing to do with selfishness?" > > Basically, it has. It appears that offering food to a poor person has nothing to do with selfishness, but it certainly has. Because it is YOUR URGE and YOUR FEELING that is telling you to do so, to offer food - and by offering food you are *satisfying* your *SELF* and attaining happiness and peace. By offering food and perceived "selfless help" you are "feeling better" and feeling peace and wellness of mind. You are doing for what you are having an urge coming from your inside. It is the urge of *you* that you are satisfying. > > My answer might sound strange at first but think it deeply you will realize that it is the truth. Kind people are kind for they are *that way* and they like to be kind, they feel better to be kind, it is their urge and intention that they satisfy. Similarly a wicked person feel the urge to to evil things so he does it. Kind person is not good, and wicker person is not bad - this is the ultimate fact and even from astrology it is true that each of them follow their own karma satisfying what they are suppossed to do as per their chart and Dasa Bhukti. And even scientifically it is a matter of their genes and what would be the exact response for the exact person in a particular situation. > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > > - > Shripal > > Saturday, December 11, 2004 11:56 AM > Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th House-->Tanvirji > > > Hi, > > > Very good in interpretation the way to thing.If for a > moment you see all this things in a unselfish way,than > you will realise a unselfish Love does exist.It can be > for GOD,for mother for loved ones.Here you are not > getting a point.What ever you have said is totally > agreeable.But some people do exist in this filthy > world who help other's for just nothing,Who daily pray > to god as a routine work and ask for nothing,who takes > other people's greivances,just for nothing, All this > are nothing but a pure form of LOVE.It's like daan.You > expect nothing for what you do to others.You really > don't have to do sex ,if you just love someone other > than your husband.It can be just LOVE."Love has got > nothing to do with bodies". > > So Love is to Love,not to see one as selfishly or > unselfishly.State of mind is transient when oyu are in > Love with some one.You ask thousand times yourself,but > no answer is there for that,why why you are attaracted > to her,even if she is married or not,is that sex,but > you don't want to do with her that too,you just want > to be with her and hold her hands and dream away.Love > is just to be with someone with no reason.It can be > with God,mother or wife.Or with your paintings,your > own art,yourself.All this are diff forms of Love.Just > to open eyes and see it.But whole truth is your > percentage of unselfishness should be higher than > selfishness.Because in a view you can stay,that one > day you will become 100% unselfish for someone you > LOVE. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Hi, Again I think you are missing a whole point.Selfishness is arrived when we do something with intention.Than you are selfish.But you do things without any reason,than that is not. When I see a poor people or some one in grief ,I try to resolve his query and I get a peace and Happiness,That is true.Now as per your theory,?In order to feel myself beter I am doing that,so i am selfish,Again wrong ,here I am not sure whether I will be able to solve his grief or not,secondly I am not thinking about I feel beter If i will give him food or free him or her from his pathetic life.I am doing very much intutively,just felt like helping him from bunch of people for no reason in return that I will get something.That is a whole point about Love. Act has already happend and afterwards you have found that you Loved that Guy or girl. Or let say ,normally brother and siste all the time fighting,But a day comes when he or she has to go away from each other,After that you ralised that you Loved your bother or sister.Previously you were fighting,so release should make you happy,But that brings grief,That is Love. Love is not doen with intention,when it starts you don't know,But you realise when end comes.You feel that you Loved him for no reson. --- Tanvir <ultimate wrote: > Thanks for understanding my points and stating that > it's agreeable. The question you raised is a very > good question, such as, "What love when we feel > kindness or love to a poor hungry child and offer > him food that has nothing to do with selfishness?" > > Basically, it has. It appears that offering food to > a poor person has nothing to do with selfishness, > but it certainly has. Because it is YOUR URGE and > YOUR FEELING that is telling you to do so, to offer > food - and by offering food you are *satisfying* > your *SELF* and attaining happiness and peace. By > offering food and perceived "selfless help" you are > "feeling better" and feeling peace and wellness of > mind. You are doing for what you are having an urge > coming from your inside. It is the urge of *you* > that you are satisfying. > > My answer might sound strange at first but think it > deeply you will realize that it is the truth. Kind > people are kind for they are *that way* and they > like to be kind, they feel better to be kind, it is > their urge and intention that they satisfy. > Similarly a wicked person feel the urge to to evil > things so he does it. Kind person is not good, and > wicker person is not bad - this is the ultimate fact > and even from astrology it is true that each of them > follow their own karma satisfying what they are > suppossed to do as per their chart and Dasa Bhukti. > And even scientifically it is a matter of their > genes and what would be the exact response for the > exact person in a particular situation. > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology > (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful > problem solving remedies > Where relief and solutions are found > > > - > Shripal > > Saturday, December 11, 2004 11:56 AM > Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th > House-->Tanvirji > > > Hi, > > > Very good in interpretation the way to thing.If > for a > moment you see all this things in a unselfish > way,than > you will realise a unselfish Love does exist.It > can be > for GOD,for mother for loved ones.Here you are not > getting a point.What ever you have said is totally > agreeable.But some people do exist in this filthy > world who help other's for just nothing,Who daily > pray > to god as a routine work and ask for nothing,who > takes > other people's greivances,just for nothing, All > this > are nothing but a pure form of LOVE.It's like > daan.You > expect nothing for what you do to others.You > really > don't have to do sex ,if you just love someone > other > than your husband.It can be just LOVE."Love has > got > nothing to do with bodies". > > So Love is to Love,not to see one as selfishly or > unselfishly.State of mind is transient when oyu > are in > Love with some one.You ask thousand times > yourself,but > no answer is there for that,why why you are > attaracted > to her,even if she is married or not,is that > sex,but > you don't want to do with her that too,you just > want > to be with her and hold her hands and dream > away.Love > is just to be with someone with no reason.It can > be > with God,mother or wife.Or with your > paintings,your > own art,yourself.All this are diff forms of > Love.Just > to open eyes and see it.But whole truth is your > percentage of unselfishness should be higher than > selfishness.Because in a view you can stay,that > one > day you will become 100% unselfish for someone you > LOVE. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail./mail_250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Tanvir, Do u read books of Ayn Rand? --- Inder <indervohra2001 wrote: > > Good > > -- In , "Tanvir" > <ultimate@s...> > wrote: > > Thanks for understanding my points and stating > that it's > agreeable. The question you raised is a very good > question, such > as, "What love when we feel kindness or love to a > poor hungry child > and offer him food that has nothing to do with > selfishness?" > > > > Basically, it has. It appears that offering food > to a poor person > has nothing to do with selfishness, but it certainly > has. Because it > is YOUR URGE and YOUR FEELING that is telling you to > do so, to offer > food - and by offering food you are *satisfying* > your *SELF* and > attaining happiness and peace. By offering food and > perceived "selfless help" you are "feeling better" > and feeling peace > and wellness of mind. You are doing for what you are > having an urge > coming from your inside. It is the urge of *you* > that you are > satisfying. > > > > My answer might sound strange at first but think > it deeply you > will realize that it is the truth. Kind people are > kind for they are > *that way* and they like to be kind, they feel > better to be kind, it > is their urge and intention that they satisfy. > Similarly a wicked > person feel the urge to to evil things so he does > it. Kind person is > not good, and wicker person is not bad - this is the > ultimate fact > and even from astrology it is true that each of them > follow their > own karma satisfying what they are suppossed to do > as per their > chart and Dasa Bhukti. And even scientifically it is > a matter of > their genes and what would be the exact response for > the exact > person in a particular situation. > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology > (Jyotish) > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful > problem solving > remedies > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > - > > Shripal > > > > Saturday, December 11, 2004 11:56 AM > > Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th > House-->Tanvirji > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Very good in interpretation the way to thing.If > for a > > moment you see all this things in a unselfish > way,than > > you will realise a unselfish Love does exist.It > can be > > for GOD,for mother for loved ones.Here you are > not > > getting a point.What ever you have said is > totally > > agreeable.But some people do exist in this > filthy > > world who help other's for just nothing,Who > daily pray > > to god as a routine work and ask for nothing,who > takes > > other people's greivances,just for nothing, All > this > > are nothing but a pure form of LOVE.It's like > daan.You > > expect nothing for what you do to others.You > really > > don't have to do sex ,if you just love someone > other > > than your husband.It can be just LOVE."Love has > got > > nothing to do with bodies". > > > > So Love is to Love,not to see one as selfishly > or > > unselfishly.State of mind is transient when oyu > are in > > Love with some one.You ask thousand times > yourself,but > > no answer is there for that,why why you are > attaracted > > to her,even if she is married or not,is that > sex,but > > you don't want to do with her that too,you just > want > > to be with her and hold her hands and dream > away.Love > > is just to be with someone with no reason.It can > be > > with God,mother or wife.Or with your > paintings,your > > own art,yourself.All this are diff forms of > Love.Just > > to open eyes and see it.But whole truth is your > > percentage of unselfishness should be higher > than > > selfishness.Because in a view you can stay,that > one > > day you will become 100% unselfish for someone > you > > LOVE. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 No, sir... my knowledge is very limited. :-( What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found - surya vishnubhotla Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:44 PM Re: Sukra and Mars In 7th House-->Tanvirji Tanvir, Do u read books of Ayn Rand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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