Issues on chanting Mantras--more on Gurus & initiation

[Guest guest]

Hello Manoj:

 

It's Christmas time and half my office is gone so I have

some "goofing-off" time now. So, more thoughts on Gurus and

initiation.

 

See Manoj, if you're ever in India and are lucky to meet a JAIN sadhu

or sadhvi, try to get their blessings. -- These Jain saints fascinate

me. The penance committed by these Jain holy-men and women is

unbelievable.

 

Such men and women after decades of penance, poverty, purity and self-

deprivation attain somuch occult power that they can truly "initiate"

someone.

 

I haven't been lucky enough to get near a Jain sadhu or sadhvi.

 

For the foreigners who're uninformed about Jains--these are people

practicing "Jainism" which is a derivative of the Hinduism. Jainism

preaches that humans shouldn't harm any form of life, i.e. other

humans or animals. And that humans shouldn't have ill-will towards

anyone--even toward the people who've hurt them and forgive EVERYONE.

There is one phrase that Jains say so often to others--"Micchami

Dukkadam," i.e. please forgive me.

 

Also, try meeting Buddhist monks--these monks and nuns spend their

entire lives living in poverty, penance and self-deprivation.

 

In fact, I've read somewhere that when Buddhist nuns/women who were

raped by the Chinese army in Tibet, were interviewed by a newspaper

and asked what punishment they sought for the rapists?--these nuns

replied that they had already forgiven the rapists and felt NO ill-

will towards the rapists. Wow!!! I wish I had such a power to forgive

others. I still couldn't get over and forgive my two wives who took

on lovers and cheated on me, and it's been years since this happened.

 

I'm not canvasing for other religions here, but I've noted that

Buddhism and Jainism are two religions where sins and sorrows

associated with materialism/modernism haven't crept in yet.

 

Ok. got to get some work done. Maybe Mr. Rohini Ranjan can write more

about Gurus and initiation and real holy-men and holy-women he has

met--I know he's travelled all over India for his Jyotish and

religious pursuits.

 

Mukund

 

 

, Manoj Sharma

<manojsharma662000> wrote:

> Dear Balaji Saheb,

>

> Could you please give the Narsimhan mantra once more.

> By the way, your piece made a very good reading. I

> don't know what others' experience have been; but I

> have started chanting Mahalakshami mantra, Maha

> Mritunjay Mantra, Buddha Beej Mantra and Lord

> Ganpati's mantra. For the last six months, I have been

> devoting around one-and-a-half yours daily towards my

> pooja and chanting mantras. I have not been initiated

> into mantra by anyone. I live in Canada and there is

> no way I could have got a good pundit to initiate me

> any mantra. I just started of my own. I haven't seen

> any great manifestation in my worldly life. However, I

> have not doubt in my mind that I feel very very calm,

> a strange peace pervades my consciousness, and there

> is a kind of serenity that I am drenched into when I

> come out of my pooja room. As regards the

> manifestation on the physical plane, I really don't

> know for sure---may be it has already started

> manifesting and I am not able to sense it, or may be

> it would manifest it at the right time when I would

> need the God's help most.

> The point here I am trying to make is that in spite of

> starting to chant the mantras of my own, I haven't

> experienced any bad effects. As you said, devotion

> supercedes rituals........

> Even though I hail from a very orthodox Brahmin

> family, I have always shunned ritualistic way of

> performing pooja. I always believed if there is a

> sincere devotion, rituals become redundant.....

>

> Manoj Sharma

>

>

>

> --- kavi_bal <kavi_bal> wrote:

>

> >

> > Thank you for your good wishes. My son is a fighter

> > and I am sure

> > with everyones blessings and prayers he will get

> > better.

> >

> > Best regards

> >

> > Kavitha

> >

> >

> > , krishnan

> > mahalingam

> > <wellwisher4> wrote:

> > > Dear Madam Kavitha

> > >

> > > It is good to see the people advices for

> > betterment of our

> > life/life style.

> > >

> > > In your case it seems the health of ur

> > child......as they adviced

> > its good to pray the god and chant manthras.

> > Besides this, the

> > required medicine is love to ur child and sound

> > health to ur mind to

> > care and protect your everyone of the family(i am

> > not a astrologer

> > basically).....So my humble request dont get worried

> > much god is

> > always with good people, he knows what to do, when

> > to do, how to

> > do .....so care urselves...too.....

> > >

> > > May the god take care everyone on the earth......

> > > wish to be wellwisher.

> > >

> > >

> > > kavi_bal <kavi_bal> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello

> > >

> > > I just wanted to update on my son's health. As you

> > may recall, the

> > > doctors have said that we leave him to god's will

> > and pray and keep

> > > him happy. He will be a year old this 28th and his

> > star b'day was

> > > last week. I have been saying the Narasimha mantra

> > as advised by

> > > Balaji sir and also we performed the mrutyunjaya

> > homam. We also are

> > > doing some ayurvedic treatments. So far we havent

> > seen any changes

> > > but to everyones amazement my baby has not shown

> > any signs of

> > > deterioration too. That is something encouraging

> > and I am positive

> > > that one day he will be cured. I just wanted to

> > thank everyone for

> > > the advises and also would appreciate more advises

> > and insights to

> > > help my baby get better.

> > >

> > > His DOB is 28th Dec, 2003- 1:40 am- eastern

> > standard time- Place of

> > > Birth- Hamilton, New Jersey, USA

> > >

> > > Thank You

> > >

> > > Kavitha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Balaji

> > Narasimhan

> > > <sherlockbalaji> wrote:

> > > > Dear friends,

> > > >

> > > > My suggestion to Kavita ji to chant the

> > Narasimha Anushtup

> > > > Mantra seems to have riased a proper tempest,

> > and so I wish to

> > > > share a few more thoughts on WHY the suggestion

> > was made.

> > > >

> > > > I could have asked her to do the right thing and

> > get proper

> > > > initiation as suggested by Kad Rudra ji, or I

> > could have asked

> > > > her husband to do it because women are

> > traditionally not

> > > > supposed to chant such mantras. Though this

> > thought actually

> > > > crossed my mind, I decided to ask her to chant

> > the mantra

> > > > herself, without proper initiation. This has

> > rightfully irked

> > > > Kad Rudra ji and others. However, my motives

> > were simple:

> > > >

> > > > * I said that the Mantra should be chanted

> > without initiation

> > > > because of TIME.

> > > > * I asked Kavita ji to chant it personally

> > because, more than

> > > > merely being a woman, she is also a mother, and

> > I felt that

> > > > Narasimha would listen to the plea of a woman.

> > > >

> > > > Let me break and tell a little story. Once, a

> > Pujari in charge

> > > > of Varada Raja Perumal, Kanjeevaram, had to go

> > on a piligrimage,

> > > > and chose a person called Nadathur to do service

> > to the Lord

> > > > while he was away. Nadathur was so devoted to

> > Varada Raja

> > > > Perumal that he used to warm the water meant for

> > Abishekam, and

> > > > boil and cool the milk offered to Perumal so

> > that it was neither

> > > > too hot or too cold. Varada Raja Perumal was so

> > thrilled by

> > > > Nadathur's service that He said that Nadathur

> > was like a mother

> > > > to Him. Note that, though Nadathur was a man,

> > Varada Raja

> > > > Perumal called him a mother, not a father.

> > Clearly, He is beyond

> > > > gender, and since then, Nadathur has been

> > affectionately and

> > > > respectfully called Nadathur Ammal.

> > > >

> > > > Coming back to Narasimha - He incarnated at

> > Ahobilam, and

> > > > Ahobilam is a Nava Narasimha Kshetra. The shrine

> > there For

> > > > Pavana Narasimha is at the top of the hill, and

> > is called the

> > > > Kshetra Ratna. In this shrine, tribals called

> > the Senjus offer

> > > > bali in the form of killed animals. Now, this

> > shrine is a proper

> > > > Iyengar temple, and we people don't even use

> > garlic and onion,

> > > > to make no mention of meat.

> > > >

> > > > Personally, I find this a little distasteful,

> > because I'm a pure

> > > > vegetarian. However, my opinion doesn't matter.

> > The Senju

> > > > tribals believe that a lion should not be fed

> > vegetables, and

> > > > instead should feast on non-veg. Narasimha is

> > however pleased to

> > > > accept BOTH the satvik food offered, as well as

> > the "impure"

> > > > non-veg. The Senjus, from the traditional point

> > of view, may be

> > > > doing something incorrect, but Narasimha,

> > perhaps pleased by

> > > > their devotion, has decided not to put a stop to

> > such customs!

> > > >

> > > > Lakshmi incarnated among the Senjus to marry

> > Narasimha, who,

> > > > ignoring Sri Vaikuntam, settled in Ahobilam. The

> > Thayar here is

> > > > actually called Senjulakshmi, and the Senjus

> > still sing of

> > > > Narasimha's Senju bride, Lakshmi.

> > > >

> > > > I have been devoted to several Gods in my little

> > lifetime. As a

> > > > kid, I loved Rama, and as a grownup, I respected

> > Krishna.

> > > > However, my devotion to Narasimha grew when I

> > realized that He

> > > > and He alone offers protection when desperately

> > required.

> > > > Hayagriva may bless us with knowledge, and Rama

> > with ideals for

> > > > right conduct, but these may not save us. But,

> > Narasimha can and

> > > > will.

> > > >

> > > > I have personally always been wary of any

> > preachings that start

> > > > with the presumption that man is a sinner. I

> > know this, and

> > > > don't need any Guru to tell me this - after

> > all, if this were

> > > > not the case, I would be in Sri Vaikuntam right

> > now, not on Boo

> > > > Loka! Another reason why Narasimha is so dear to

> > me is because

> > > > He believes that His devotee is like Chandra on

> > Poornima. The

> > > > evils in this devotee are like the craters on

> > the full moon, but

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot for taking time off and writing on the

issue. I have noted the contents and would try and do

all the stuff you have mentioned as regards

initiation.

 

By the way, my wife is a jain and I get to learn so

many things about jainism.

 

thanks

 

manoj

--- monmuk111 <monmuk111 wrote:

 

>

> Hello Manoj:

>

> It's Christmas time and half my office is gone so I

> have

> some "goofing-off" time now. So, more thoughts on

> Gurus and

> initiation.

>

> See Manoj, if you're ever in India and are lucky to

> meet a JAIN sadhu

> or sadhvi, try to get their blessings. -- These Jain

> saints fascinate

> me. The penance committed by these Jain holy-men and

> women is

> unbelievable.

>

> Such men and women after decades of penance,

> poverty, purity and self-

> deprivation attain somuch occult power that they can

> truly "initiate"

> someone.

>

> I haven't been lucky enough to get near a Jain sadhu

> or sadhvi.

>

> For the foreigners who're uninformed about

> Jains--these are people

> practicing "Jainism" which is a derivative of the

> Hinduism. Jainism

> preaches that humans shouldn't harm any form of

> life, i.e. other

> humans or animals. And that humans shouldn't have

> ill-will towards

> anyone--even toward the people who've hurt them and

> forgive EVERYONE.

> There is one phrase that Jains say so often to

> others--"Micchami

> Dukkadam," i.e. please forgive me.

>

> Also, try meeting Buddhist monks--these monks and

> nuns spend their

> entire lives living in poverty, penance and

> self-deprivation.

>

> In fact, I've read somewhere that when Buddhist

> nuns/women who were

> raped by the Chinese army in Tibet, were interviewed

> by a newspaper

> and asked what punishment they sought for the

> rapists?--these nuns

> replied that they had already forgiven the rapists

> and felt NO ill-

> will towards the rapists. Wow!!! I wish I had such a

> power to forgive

> others. I still couldn't get over and forgive my two

> wives who took

> on lovers and cheated on me, and it's been years

> since this happened.

>

> I'm not canvasing for other religions here, but I've

> noted that

> Buddhism and Jainism are two religions where sins

> and sorrows

> associated with materialism/modernism haven't crept

> in yet.

>

> Ok. got to get some work done. Maybe Mr. Rohini

> Ranjan can write more

> about Gurus and initiation and real holy-men and

> holy-women he has

> met--I know he's travelled all over India for his

> Jyotish and

> religious pursuits.

>

> Mukund

>

>

> , Manoj

> Sharma

> <manojsharma662000> wrote:

> > Dear Balaji Saheb,

> >

> > Could you please give the Narsimhan mantra once

> more.

> > By the way, your piece made a very good reading. I

> > don't know what others' experience have been; but

> I

> > have started chanting Mahalakshami mantra, Maha

> > Mritunjay Mantra, Buddha Beej Mantra and Lord

> > Ganpati's mantra. For the last six months, I have

> been

> > devoting around one-and-a-half yours daily towards

> my

> > pooja and chanting mantras. I have not been

> initiated

> > into mantra by anyone. I live in Canada and there

> is

> > no way I could have got a good pundit to initiate

> me

> > any mantra. I just started of my own. I haven't

> seen

> > any great manifestation in my worldly life.

> However, I

> > have not doubt in my mind that I feel very very

> calm,

> > a strange peace pervades my consciousness, and

> there

> > is a kind of serenity that I am drenched into when

> I

> > come out of my pooja room. As regards the

> > manifestation on the physical plane, I really

> don't

> > know for sure---may be it has already started

> > manifesting and I am not able to sense it, or may

> be

> > it would manifest it at the right time when I

> would

> > need the God's help most.

> > The point here I am trying to make is that in

> spite of

> > starting to chant the mantras of my own, I haven't

> > experienced any bad effects. As you said, devotion

> > supercedes rituals........

> > Even though I hail from a very orthodox Brahmin

> > family, I have always shunned ritualistic way of

> > performing pooja. I always believed if there is a

> > sincere devotion, rituals become redundant.....

> >

> > Manoj Sharma

> >

> >

> >

> > --- kavi_bal <kavi_bal> wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Thank you for your good wishes. My son is a

> fighter

> > > and I am sure

> > > with everyones blessings and prayers he will get

> > > better.

> > >

> > > Best regards

> > >

> > > Kavitha

> > >

> > >

> > > ,

> krishnan

> > > mahalingam

> > > <wellwisher4> wrote:

> > > > Dear Madam Kavitha

> > > >

> > > > It is good to see the people advices for

> > > betterment of our

> > > life/life style.

> > > >

> > > > In your case it seems the health of ur

> > > child......as they adviced

> > > its good to pray the god and chant manthras.

> > > Besides this, the

> > > required medicine is love to ur child and sound

> > > health to ur mind to

> > > care and protect your everyone of the family(i

> am

> > > not a astrologer

> > > basically).....So my humble request dont get

> worried

> > > much god is

> > > always with good people, he knows what to do,

> when

> > > to do, how to

> > > do .....so care urselves...too.....

> > > >

> > > > May the god take care everyone on the

> earth......

> > > > wish to be wellwisher.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > kavi_bal <kavi_bal> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello

> > > >

> > > > I just wanted to update on my son's health. As

> you

> > > may recall, the

> > > > doctors have said that we leave him to god's

> will

> > > and pray and keep

> > > > him happy. He will be a year old this 28th and

> his

> > > star b'day was

> > > > last week. I have been saying the Narasimha

> mantra

> > > as advised by

> > > > Balaji sir and also we performed the

> mrutyunjaya

> > > homam. We also are

> > > > doing some ayurvedic treatments. So far we

> havent

> > > seen any changes

>

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