Guest guest Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 Dear All, I am a 6o year old woman, well educated, well read and well travelled yet I am unable to be sure of what you all mean when you use the term 'spirituality'. Perhaps you wise ones who use the word so freely can define it for me. I am certain it isn't synonymous with 'religion' because a spontaneous moment of bliss and awareness that I had the joy of experiencing transcended all religions for me. The closest I can come to an interpretation is 'kindness' - for only that seems to be pure and unselfish ... and 'kindness' is, I belive, the original meaning of the word charity (before it meant giving money to absolve ones conscience, an excuse for power and glory - having a foundation named after oneself, or as a tax shelter). Some of the most awful travesties are committed in the name of 'love' so I can't accept that either. Once we become aware that each one of us connected to every other being... and indeed to everything else in the Universe it is hardly possible not to treat all beings with kindness. So, I humbly ask those of you who feel you know the answer - from your heart not from the dictionary- please explain the meaning of 'spirituality to me. Love, Gili >Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri > > >Re: 2- Re: Codes Of GOD >-Additional Comments >Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:45:56 +0000 (GMT) > >Dear Inderji, >Have been a silent watcher of this discussion. Some additional thoughts: > > > >This explains why somebody is more spiritual than others but can also be >inculcated by determined individuals and the most of Indians are perfect in >this. > >Similar information also came long back in Reader's Digest used to ponder >on it. > >But it is always strange, that any Octagonan, will always find simile of >this spiritual feelings, with some drug or other. > >There has to be some link with Science and the still unknown spheres. The >science will gradually explore this for the benefit of mankind though more >and more areas will remain unexplained. > >At least very recently the top scientists are having a clear mind to >explore and not biased like the earlier Western /Western educated >Scientists. > >Sir John Woodroff (late 19th century, then Chief Justice of India, ruled by >the British) once mentioned, “…. it seems, that the Western scholar's mind >is not designed to understand these complicated spiritual vistas and hence >decides that these are all mumbo - jumbo.” > > > >With best wishes, > >Amitabh Shastri >Inder <indervohra2001 wrote: >Dear Rohiniji, >It is intersting discussion. > >When Homeopathy was being developed and was becoming popular in >Germany,and America homeopaths were so excited that they were >calling Homeopathy a mordern and more scientific theraputics and >allopathy as old and unscitific. > >Homeo medicines were so effective and wonderful that people were >excited with this discovery. > >But later with the advent of anti-bioteccis, new surgical methods >and testing techniques made allopathis gaining clear upper hand. >Slowely homeopathy was getting forgotten and also lebelled as >unscintific. > >However, it travelled to India and made its permanent home here.[we >are unscintific??!!] > >Now Homeopathy is an alternate medicine system and unscitific, >inspite of its wonderful cures. >Inder > >, "rohiniranjan" >wrote: > > > > I wish you had only taken the time to read my postings on this > > subject before responding in a reflexive way. > > > > That is exactly what I have been saying all these years: > > a) That modern science is not something superior > > b) That astrologers, particularly modern astrologers should break > > away from the mental/intellectual slavery of thinking science is >the > > greatest thing, unconditionally, and that astrology must be >declared > > and pushed to become a science before it claims its place in the > > universe of respectability. > > c) No one would argue that great literature, for instance, has its > > significant role in the shaping of culture and societies -- and it >is > > NOT science or scientific even! > > d) Why must astrology be forced into being science as some of the > > modern elitists keep pushing it to be? > > > > rohiniranjan > > , "Shad" > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohiniranjan Ji, pranam! > > > > > > what great thing hasn't modern science invented that didn't >already > > > exist in ancient Indian times?? > > > > > > Here some inspirational facts, that show that the vedas and it's > > > scholars were no blind believers, and that today's science > > decorates > > > itself with scientific realizations, that aren't their, but have > > > been known long before. Gravity is only one of those... > > > > > > Read and enjoy: > > > > > > INDIAN SCIENTIFIC HERITAGE: > > > > > > http://forums.about.com/ab-hinduism/messages/?msg=1138.1 > > > > > > > > > Did you know the following facts… > > > > > > 1. India invented the Number system. Pingalacharya > > > invented `zero.' in 200 BC. > > > > > > 2. Indians discovered the size, shape, rotation and gravity of > > > earth about 1000 years before Kelvin, Galileo, Newton and Copper > > > Nicus. Aryabhatta I was the first to explain spherical > > > shape, size, diameter, rotaion and correct speed of Earth in 499 >AD. > > > > > > 3. Newton's law of Gravitational force is an ancient Indian > > > discovery. In Siddhanta Siromani ( Bhuvanakosam 6 ) >Bhaskaracharya > > > II described about gravity of earth about 400 years before Sir > > > Isaac Newton. > > > > > > 4. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in > > > India in 100 BC. > > > > > > 5. Indians discovered Arithmetic and Geometric progression. > > > Arithmetic progression is explained in Yajurveda. > > > > > > 6. Govindaswamin discovered Newton Gauss Interpolation formula > > > about 1800 years before Newton. > > > > > > 7. Vateswaracharya discovered Newton Gauss Backward > > > Interpolation formula about 1000 yers before Newton. > > > > > > 8. Madhavacharya discovered Taylor series of Sine and Cosine > > > function about 250 years before Taylor. > > > > > > 9. Madhavacharya discovered Newton Power series. > > > > > > 10. Madhavacharya discovered Gregory Leibnitz series for the > > > Inverse Tangent about 280 years before Gregory. > > > > > > 11. Madhavacharya discovered Leibnitz power series for pi about >300 > > > years before Leibnitz. > > > > > > 12. Parameswaracharya discovered Lhuiler's formula about 400 >years > > > before Lhuiler. > > > > > > 13. Nilakanta discovered Newton's Infinite Geometric Progression > > > convergent series. > > > > > > 14. Theoroms relating the diameter,volume and circumference of > > > circles discovered by Madhavacharya,Puthumana >Somayaji,Aryabhatta, > > > Bhaskaracharya……. > > > > > > 15. The value of pi was first calculated by Boudhayana, and he > > > discovered Pythagorus Theorem in 800BC. ie 300 years before > > > Pythagorus. > > > > > > 16. Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from India. Quadratic > > > equations were by Sridharacharya in the 11th Century. While the > > > Greeks were using only upto a max imum value 1000 , Indians >could go > > > upto 18th power of 10 level during Vedic period. > > > > > > 17. Infinity was well known for ancient Indians. > > > > > > 18. Positive and Negative numbers and their calculations were > > > explained first by Brahmagupta in his book Brahmasputa Siddhanta. > > > > > > 19. Maharshi Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he > > > and health scientists of his time conducted surgeries like > > > cesareans, cataract, fractures and urinary stones. Usage of > > > anaesthesia was well known in ancient India.He was the first >person > > > to perform plastic surgery. > > > > > > 20. When many cultures in the world were only nomadic forest > > > dwellers over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan >culture > > > in Sindhu Valley (Indus Valley Civilisation). > > > > > > 21. The world's first University was established in Takshila in > > > 700BC. More than 10,500 students from all over the world studied > > > more than 60 subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the 4th > > > century BC was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India >in > > > the field of education. > > > > > > 22. According to the Forbes magazine, Sanskrit is the most >suitable > > > language for computer software. > > > > > > 23. Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans. > > > > > > 24. According to the Gemmological Institute of America, until >1896, > > > India was the only source of diamonds to the world. > > > > > > 25. USA based IEEE has proved what has been a century-old >suspicion > > > amongst academics that the pioneer of wireless communication was > > > Professor Jagdeesh Bose and not Marconi. > > > > > > 26. The earliest reservoir and dam for irrigation was built in > > > Saurashtra. > > > > > > 27. Chess was invented in India. > > > > > > 28. The first philosopher who formulated ideas about the atom in >a > > > systematic manner was Kanada who lived in the 6th century B.C. > > > > > > 29. All the atomic reactors in the world are in Shiva Linga Shape > > > which is an Indian contribution. > > > > > > 30. Padanjali maharshi discovered Soundwaves. > > > > > > 31. Yoga is an ancient Indian gift to the world. > > > > > > 32. Shayanacharya discovered velocity of light. > > > > > > 33. Maharshi Bharadwaja discovered different types of light rays. > > > > > > 34. Maharshi Bharadwaja was the first person to give defenition > > > about aeroplane. He explained about different types aeroplanes in > > > his book "Vimana Thantra" around 2000 years before Right >Brothers. > > > > > > 35. Maharshi Bharadwaja discovered spectrometer. In his "Yantra > > > Sarvaswa" he explained about more than 100 instruments. > > > > > > 36. The different colours of light, VIBGYOR are mentioned in > > > Rigveda which was written 6000 years ago. > > > > > > 37. Maharshi Charaka discovered Psychology and Quantum healing > > > system. > > > > > > 38. Varahamihira discovered the concept of "Budding of plants". > > > > > > 39. Seven continents are mentioned in Padmapurana. > > > > > > 40. Judo and karate which are coming to India from the far-east > > > originated in ancient India > > > > > > -om tat sat- > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Shad > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , "rohiniranjan" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Astronauts, space station, other projectiles that leave >earth's > > > pull > > > > and manage to stay out there are the proof that gravity is >very > > > real > > > > and measurable. On the other hand, a simpler example would be >a > > > bird > > > > or a plane that manages to fly away from earth comes falling >back > > > as > > > > soon as it is struck. Proof enough that gravity exists. > > > > One can argue in circular logic as much as they want but >certain > > > > things are very simple and need not be made too complicated. >Over > > > the > > > > years, enough evidence and demonstration has shown adequate > > > validity > > > > and reproducibility of physical principles for one to not > > question > > > > physics as being science. Astrology, while potentially and > > > desirably > > > > capable perhaps of arriving at that point is certainly not >there > > > yet > > > > and would not get there just by wishing. > > > > If someone were to come up with a new modality claiming to >heal > > > > better than existing scientific methods of healing, we would >wait > > > > till we call those science. This in no way reduces the new > > > method's > > > > ability to heal or even be superior to existing modalities. > > > > Some astrologers tend to think that by calling astrology a > > science > > > > they would somehow raise its status. Such intellectual slavery >is > > > > deplorable, is all I would say. Science is not some holy pie >in > > > the > > > > sky. Mother's maternal instincts are not science or scientific > > and > > > > yet the world will come to a screeching halt without this 'non- > > > > scientific' fact. > > > > > > > > Speaking of facts, there is a lot of myth and fiction in > > > astrological > > > > repertoire. One of this is the prevailing superstition that >there > > > is > > > > some marvelous hidden body of knowledge only known to some > > > families > > > > or paramparas. Well perhaps, but we cannot presume that >without > > > > seeing adequate evidence demonstrated for that clearly. Such >is > > > > simply not the case. If it was, people who had that knowledge >or > > > > ability would have come forward and demonstrated through their > > > > infalliable predictions. How many such consistent >demonstrations > > > have > > > > we seen in our lifetimes or factually heard of? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > >~! 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Guest guest Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 Dear Gili, Welcome back, it is always a pleasure to read your postings. You have given such a beautiful definition of spirituality, what can anyone else say? You said > Once we become aware that each one of us connected to every other being... > and indeed to everything else in the Universe it is hardly possible not to > treat all beings with kindness. As you said, understanding the universal spirit is spirituality, and the outward manifestation of this is kindness towards all. You have succintly stated what the great masters of every religion expressed throughout the ages....... how lovely! Hope the esteemed members of this group can add to this thread. Sincerely, Sreelatha , "Gili Mary" <xapsarax@h...> wrote: > > Dear All, > I am a 6o year old woman, well educated, well read and well travelled yet I > am unable to be sure of what you all mean when you use the term > 'spirituality'. Perhaps you wise ones who use the word so freely can define > it for me. > I am certain it isn't synonymous with 'religion' because a spontaneous > moment of bliss and awareness that I had the joy of experiencing transcended > all religions for me. The closest I can come to an interpretation is > 'kindness' - for only that seems to be pure and unselfish ... and 'kindness' > is, I belive, the original meaning of the word charity (before it meant > giving money to absolve ones conscience, an excuse for power and glory - > having a foundation named after oneself, or as a tax shelter). Some of the > most awful travesties are committed in the name of 'love' so I can't accept > that either. > Once we become aware that each one of us connected to every other being... > and indeed to everything else in the Universe it is hardly possible not to > treat all beings with kindness. > So, I humbly ask those of you who feel you know the answer - from your heart > not from the dictionary- please explain the meaning of 'spirituality to me. > Love, > Gili > > >Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri> > > > > > >Re: 2- Re: Codes Of GOD >-Additional Comments > >Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:45:56 +0000 (GMT) > > > >Dear Inderji, > >Have been a silent watcher of this discussion. Some additional thoughts: > > > > > > > >This explains why somebody is more spiritual than others but can also be > >inculcated by determined individuals and the most of Indians are perfect in > >this. > > > >Similar information also came long back in Reader's Digest used to ponder > >on it. > > > >But it is always strange, that any Octagonan, will always find simile of > >this spiritual feelings, with some drug or other. > > > >There has to be some link with Science and the still unknown spheres. The > >science will gradually explore this for the benefit of mankind though more > >and more areas will remain unexplained. > > > >At least very recently the top scientists are having a clear mind to > >explore and not biased like the earlier Western /Western educated > >Scientists. > > > >Sir John Woodroff (late 19th century, then Chief Justice of India, ruled by > >the British) once mentioned, "…. it seems, that the Western scholar's mind > >is not designed to understand these complicated spiritual vistas and hence > >decides that these are all mumbo - jumbo." > > > > > > > >With best wishes, > > > >Amitabh Shastri > >Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > >Dear Rohiniji, > >It is intersting discussion. > > > >When Homeopathy was being developed and was becoming popular in > >Germany,and America homeopaths were so excited that they were > >calling Homeopathy a mordern and more scientific theraputics and > >allopathy as old and unscitific. > > > >Homeo medicines were so effective and wonderful that people were > >excited with this discovery. > > > >But later with the advent of anti-bioteccis, new surgical methods > >and testing techniques made allopathis gaining clear upper hand. > >Slowely homeopathy was getting forgotten and also lebelled as > >unscintific. > > > >However, it travelled to India and made its permanent home here. [we > >are unscintific??!!] > > > >Now Homeopathy is an alternate medicine system and unscitific, > >inspite of its wonderful cures. > >Inder > > > >, "rohiniranjan" > >wrote: > > > > > > I wish you had only taken the time to read my postings on this > > > subject before responding in a reflexive way. > > > > > > That is exactly what I have been saying all these years: > > > a) That modern science is not something superior > > > b) That astrologers, particularly modern astrologers should break > > > away from the mental/intellectual slavery of thinking science is > >the > > > greatest thing, unconditionally, and that astrology must be > >declared > > > and pushed to become a science before it claims its place in the > > > universe of respectability. > > > c) No one would argue that great literature, for instance, has its > > > significant role in the shaping of culture and societies -- and it > >is > > > NOT science or scientific even! > > > d) Why must astrology be forced into being science as some of the > > > modern elitists keep pushing it to be? > > > > > > rohiniranjan > > > , "Shad" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniranjan Ji, pranam! > > > > > > > > what great thing hasn't modern science invented that didn't > >already > > > > exist in ancient Indian times?? > > > > > > > > Here some inspirational facts, that show that the vedas and it's > > > > scholars were no blind believers, and that today's science > > > decorates > > > > itself with scientific realizations, that aren't their, but have > > > > been known long before. Gravity is only one of those... > > > > > > > > Read and enjoy: > > > > > > > > INDIAN SCIENTIFIC HERITAGE: > > > > > > > > http://forums.about.com/ab-hinduism/messages/?msg=1138.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know the following facts… > > > > > > > > 1. India invented the Number system. Pingalacharya > > > > invented `zero.' in 200 BC. > > > > > > > > 2. Indians discovered the size, shape, rotation and gravity of > > > > earth about 1000 years before Kelvin, Galileo, Newton and Copper > > > > Nicus. Aryabhatta I was the first to explain spherical > > > > shape, size, diameter, rotaion and correct speed of Earth in 499 > >AD. > > > > > > > > 3. Newton's law of Gravitational force is an ancient Indian > > > > discovery. In Siddhanta Siromani ( Bhuvanakosam 6 ) > >Bhaskaracharya > > > > II described about gravity of earth about 400 years before Sir > > > > Isaac Newton. > > > > > > > > 4. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in > > > > India in 100 BC. > > > > > > > > 5. Indians discovered Arithmetic and Geometric progression. > > > > Arithmetic progression is explained in Yajurveda. > > > > > > > > 6. Govindaswamin discovered Newton Gauss Interpolation formula > > > > about 1800 years before Newton. > > > > > > > > 7. Vateswaracharya discovered Newton Gauss Backward > > > > Interpolation formula about 1000 yers before Newton. > > > > > > > > 8. Madhavacharya discovered Taylor series of Sine and Cosine > > > > function about 250 years before Taylor. > > > > > > > > 9. Madhavacharya discovered Newton Power series. > > > > > > > > 10. Madhavacharya discovered Gregory Leibnitz series for the > > > > Inverse Tangent about 280 years before Gregory. > > > > > > > > 11. Madhavacharya discovered Leibnitz power series for pi about > >300 > > > > years before Leibnitz. > > > > > > > > 12. Parameswaracharya discovered Lhuiler's formula about 400 > >years > > > > before Lhuiler. > > > > > > > > 13. Nilakanta discovered Newton's Infinite Geometric Progression > > > > convergent series. > > > > > > > > 14. Theoroms relating the diameter,volume and circumference of > > > > circles discovered by Madhavacharya,Puthumana > >Somayaji,Aryabhatta, > > > > Bhaskaracharya……. > > > > > > > > 15. The value of pi was first calculated by Boudhayana, and he > > > > discovered Pythagorus Theorem in 800BC. ie 300 years before > > > > Pythagorus. > > > > > > > > 16. Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from India. Quadratic > > > > equations were by Sridharacharya in the 11th Century. While the > > > > Greeks were using only upto a max imum value 1000 , Indians > >could go > > > > upto 18th power of 10 level during Vedic period. > > > > > > > > 17. Infinity was well known for ancient Indians. > > > > > > > > 18. Positive and Negative numbers and their calculations were > > > > explained first by Brahmagupta in his book Brahmasputa Siddhanta. > > > > > > > > 19. Maharshi Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he > > > > and health scientists of his time conducted surgeries like > > > > cesareans, cataract, fractures and urinary stones. Usage of > > > > anaesthesia was well known in ancient India.He was the first > >person > > > > to perform plastic surgery. > > > > > > > > 20. When many cultures in the world were only nomadic forest > > > > dwellers over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan > >culture > > > > in Sindhu Valley (Indus Valley Civilisation). > > > > > > > > 21. The world's first University was established in Takshila in > > > > 700BC. More than 10,500 students from all over the world studied > > > > more than 60 subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the 4th > > > > century BC was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India > >in > > > > the field of education. > > > > > > > > 22. According to the Forbes magazine, Sanskrit is the most > >suitable > > > > language for computer software. > > > > > > > > 23. Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans. > > > > > > > > 24. According to the Gemmological Institute of America, until > >1896, > > > > India was the only source of diamonds to the world. > > > > > > > > 25. USA based IEEE has proved what has been a century-old > >suspicion > > > > amongst academics that the pioneer of wireless communication was > > > > Professor Jagdeesh Bose and not Marconi. > > > > > > > > 26. The earliest reservoir and dam for irrigation was built in > > > > Saurashtra. > > > > > > > > 27. Chess was invented in India. > > > > > > > > 28. The first philosopher who formulated ideas about the atom in > >a > > > > systematic manner was Kanada who lived in the 6th century B.C. > > > > > > > > 29. All the atomic reactors in the world are in Shiva Linga Shape > > > > which is an Indian contribution. > > > > > > > > 30. Padanjali maharshi discovered Soundwaves. > > > > > > > > 31. Yoga is an ancient Indian gift to the world. > > > > > > > > 32. Shayanacharya discovered velocity of light. > > > > > > > > 33. Maharshi Bharadwaja discovered different types of light rays. > > > > > > > > 34. Maharshi Bharadwaja was the first person to give defenition > > > > about aeroplane. He explained about different types aeroplanes in > > > > his book "Vimana Thantra" around 2000 years before Right > >Brothers. > > > > > > > > 35. Maharshi Bharadwaja discovered spectrometer. In his "Yantra > > > > Sarvaswa" he explained about more than 100 instruments. > > > > > > > > 36. The different colours of light, VIBGYOR are mentioned in > > > > Rigveda which was written 6000 years ago. > > > > > > > > 37. Maharshi Charaka discovered Psychology and Quantum healing > > > > system. > > > > > > > > 38. Varahamihira discovered the concept of "Budding of plants". > > > > > > > > 39. Seven continents are mentioned in Padmapurana. > > > > > > > > 40. Judo and karate which are coming to India from the far- east > > > > originated in ancient India > > > > > > > > -om tat sat- > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Shad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , "rohiniranjan" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Astronauts, space station, other projectiles that leave > >earth's > > > > pull > > > > > and manage to stay out there are the proof that gravity is > >very > > > > real > > > > > and measurable. On the other hand, a simpler example would be > >a > > > > bird > > > > > or a plane that manages to fly away from earth comes falling > >back > > > > as > > > > > soon as it is struck. Proof enough that gravity exists. > > > > > One can argue in circular logic as much as they want but > >certain > > > > > things are very simple and need not be made too complicated. > >Over > > > > the > > > > > years, enough evidence and demonstration has shown adequate > > > > validity > > > > > and reproducibility of physical principles for one to not > > > question > > > > > physics as being science. Astrology, while potentially and > > > > desirably > > > > > capable perhaps of arriving at that point is certainly not > >there > > > > yet > > > > > and would not get there just by wishing. > > > > > If someone were to come up with a new modality claiming to > >heal > > > > > better than existing scientific methods of healing, we would > >wait > > > > > till we call those science. This in no way reduces the new > > > > method's > > > > > ability to heal or even be superior to existing modalities. > > > > > Some astrologers tend to think that by calling astrology a > > > science > > > > > they would somehow raise its status. Such intellectual slavery > >is > > > > > deplorable, is all I would say. Science is not some holy pie > >in > > > > the > > > > > sky. Mother's maternal instincts are not science or scientific > > > and > > > > > yet the world will come to a screeching halt without this 'non- > > > > > scientific' fact. > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of facts, there is a lot of myth and fiction in > > > > astrological > > > > > repertoire. One of this is the prevailing superstition that > >there > > > > is > > > > > some marvelous hidden body of knowledge only known to some > > > > families > > > > > or paramparas. Well perhaps, but we cannot presume that > >without > > > > > seeing adequate evidence demonstrated for that clearly. Such > >is > > > > > simply not the case. If it was, people who had that knowledge > >or > > > > > ability would have come forward and demonstrated through their > > > > > infalliable predictions. How many such consistent > >demonstrations > > > > have > > > > > we seen in our lifetimes or factually heard of? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2004 Report Share Posted December 27, 2004 Dear Mary, I will like to say something about spirituality what i saw in my life.............. Spirituality means your thoughts,actions,emotions and words should be based on spirit....should be come out of spirit. As mark ji already said what is non-material is spirit. Spirituality is a superset of all the morality,all compassion,all strength,all creativity,all peace,all Love ,all religions and something beyond all these things which is source of all. Religion is a set of rules or traits to be followed with certain beliefs to create a good society. Religion ha a more vast meaning its called 'Dharma ' meaning that should be practiced,to be followed.. that should be cultivated in our behaviour,mind and action.The duty towards yourself,your family,society,relatives,freinds,mates,elders,youngers,strangers etc. But religion itself came out of spirituality. All the religions are emanated from Spirtual person(s). What those people experienced tried to teach people ....but people rather than experiencing those truths adopted the outer behavioural aspects of those in form of rules etc and religions came into existence. Hence Spirituality is not at all Religion. WHAT IS SPIRITUALITY: You are right Charity is a material action . Now introspection goes like this....if charity is for showing off your power its damn cheap materialism. charity for tax saving is nothing more than a clever act. Even showing your feeling to give charity is not good. When a genuine help due to kindness,compassion is done its near to spirituality.If its hidden then its great. generally a person identify himself and all with his ego .....it contains personality in material world. Ego is a 'social face' we use to live. It differentiate on the basis of Religion,colour,body,sex,country,intellect,power,money etc. Spirituality is just opposite to it ......a spiritual person sees no difference between man/woman,white/black,fool/intelligent,poor/rich,weak/strong etc.....literally no difference. All the negative emotions fear,greed,hatered,hopelessness,depression,anger etc are obstacles in expressing your spiritual nature. Love and selfishness are higher expressions of spirit. Abundance of all creativity,all action,all joy,all bliss,all perfection is true nature of Spirit. There are Laws of Universe directing Human life as per their actions.actions are evaluated as per the intentions behind them.hence a charity for showing power doesn't create a good action(Karma) in eyes of Universe. We all are _expression of conscience in this world. To find out our true nature,pure conciousness and source of all things is our Ultimate aim in Life. Astrology is the way to understand Laws of universe directing our lives . Sincerely and Humbly ............. Amit , "Gili Mary" <xapsarax@h...> wrote: > > Dear All, > I am a 6o year old woman, well educated, well read and well travelled yet I > am unable to be sure of what you all mean when you use the term > 'spirituality'. Perhaps you wise ones who use the word so freely can define > it for me. > I am certain it isn't synonymous with 'religion' because a spontaneous > moment of bliss and awareness that I had the joy of experiencing transcended > all religions for me. The closest I can come to an interpretation is > 'kindness' - for only that seems to be pure and unselfish ... and 'kindness' > is, I belive, the original meaning of the word charity (before it meant > giving money to absolve ones conscience, an excuse for power and glory - > having a foundation named after oneself, or as a tax shelter). Some of the > most awful travesties are committed in the name of 'love' so I can't accept > that either. > Once we become aware that each one of us connected to every other being... > and indeed to everything else in the Universe it is hardly possible not to > treat all beings with kindness. > So, I humbly ask those of you who feel you know the answer - from your heart > not from the dictionary- please explain the meaning of 'spirituality to me. > Love, > Gili > > >Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri> > > > > > >Re: 2- Re: Codes Of GOD >-Additional Comments > >Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:45:56 +0000 (GMT) > > > >Dear Inderji, > >Have been a silent watcher of this discussion. Some additional thoughts: > > > > > > > >This explains why somebody is more spiritual than others but can also be > >inculcated by determined individuals and the most of Indians are perfect in > >this. > > > >Similar information also came long back in Reader's Digest used to ponder > >on it. > > > >But it is always strange, that any Octagonan, will always find simile of > >this spiritual feelings, with some drug or other. > > > >There has to be some link with Science and the still unknown spheres. The > >science will gradually explore this for the benefit of mankind though more > >and more areas will remain unexplained. > > > >At least very recently the top scientists are having a clear mind to > >explore and not biased like the earlier Western /Western educated > >Scientists. > > > >Sir John Woodroff (late 19th century, then Chief Justice of India, ruled by > >the British) once mentioned, "…. it seems, that the Western scholar's mind > >is not designed to understand these complicated spiritual vistas and hence > >decides that these are all mumbo - jumbo." > > > > > > > >With best wishes, > > > >Amitabh Shastri > >Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > >Dear Rohiniji, > >It is intersting discussion. > > > >When Homeopathy was being developed and was becoming popular in > >Germany,and America homeopaths were so excited that they were > >calling Homeopathy a mordern and more scientific theraputics and > >allopathy as old and unscitific. > > > >Homeo medicines were so effective and wonderful that people were > >excited with this discovery. > > > >But later with the advent of anti-bioteccis, new surgical methods > >and testing techniques made allopathis gaining clear upper hand. > >Slowely homeopathy was getting forgotten and also lebelled as > >unscintific. > > > >However, it travelled to India and made its permanent home here.[we > >are unscintific??!!] > > > >Now Homeopathy is an alternate medicine system and unscitific, > >inspite of its wonderful cures. > >Inder > > > >, "rohiniranjan" > >wrote: > > > > > > I wish you had only taken the time to read my postings on this > > > subject before responding in a reflexive way. > > > > > > That is exactly what I have been saying all these years: > > > a) That modern science is not something superior > > > b) That astrologers, particularly modern astrologers should break > > > away from the mental/intellectual slavery of thinking science is > >the > > > greatest thing, unconditionally, and that astrology must be > >declared > > > and pushed to become a science before it claims its place in the > > > universe of respectability. > > > c) No one would argue that great literature, for instance, has its > > > significant role in the shaping of culture and societies -- and it > >is > > > NOT science or scientific even! > > > d) Why must astrology be forced into being science as some of the > > > modern elitists keep pushing it to be? > > > > > > rohiniranjan > > > , "Shad" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniranjan Ji, pranam! > > > > > > > > what great thing hasn't modern science invented that didn't > >already > > > > exist in ancient Indian times?? > > > > > > > > Here some inspirational facts, that show that the vedas and it's > > > > scholars were no blind believers, and that today's science > > > decorates > > > > itself with scientific realizations, that aren't their, but have > > > > been known long before. Gravity is only one of those... > > > > > > > > Read and enjoy: > > > > > > > > INDIAN SCIENTIFIC HERITAGE: > > > > > > > > http://forums.about.com/ab-hinduism/messages/?msg=1138.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know the following facts… > > > > > > > > 1. India invented the Number system. Pingalacharya > > > > invented `zero.' in 200 BC. > > > > > > > > 2. Indians discovered the size, shape, rotation and gravity of > > > > earth about 1000 years before Kelvin, Galileo, Newton and Copper > > > > Nicus. Aryabhatta I was the first to explain spherical > > > > shape, size, diameter, rotaion and correct speed of Earth in 499 > >AD. > > > > > > > > 3. Newton's law of Gravitational force is an ancient Indian > > > > discovery. In Siddhanta Siromani ( Bhuvanakosam 6 ) > >Bhaskaracharya > > > > II described about gravity of earth about 400 years before Sir > > > > Isaac Newton. > > > > > > > > 4. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in > > > > India in 100 BC. > > > > > > > > 5. Indians discovered Arithmetic and Geometric progression. > > > > Arithmetic progression is explained in Yajurveda. > > > > > > > > 6. Govindaswamin discovered Newton Gauss Interpolation formula > > > > about 1800 years before Newton. > > > > > > > > 7. Vateswaracharya discovered Newton Gauss Backward > > > > Interpolation formula about 1000 yers before Newton. > > > > > > > > 8. Madhavacharya discovered Taylor series of Sine and Cosine > > > > function about 250 years before Taylor. > > > > > > > > 9. Madhavacharya discovered Newton Power series. > > > > > > > > 10. Madhavacharya discovered Gregory Leibnitz series for the > > > > Inverse Tangent about 280 years before Gregory. > > > > > > > > 11. Madhavacharya discovered Leibnitz power series for pi about > >300 > > > > years before Leibnitz. > > > > > > > > 12. Parameswaracharya discovered Lhuiler's formula about 400 > >years > > > > before Lhuiler. > > > > > > > > 13. Nilakanta discovered Newton's Infinite Geometric Progression > > > > convergent series. > > > > > > > > 14. Theoroms relating the diameter,volume and circumference of > > > > circles discovered by Madhavacharya,Puthumana > >Somayaji,Aryabhatta, > > > > Bhaskaracharya……. > > > > > > > > 15. The value of pi was first calculated by Boudhayana, and he > > > > discovered Pythagorus Theorem in 800BC. ie 300 years before > > > > Pythagorus. > > > > > > > > 16. Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from India. Quadratic > > > > equations were by Sridharacharya in the 11th Century. While the > > > > Greeks were using only upto a max imum value 1000 , Indians > >could go > > > > upto 18th power of 10 level during Vedic period. > > > > > > > > 17. Infinity was well known for ancient Indians. > > > > > > > > 18. Positive and Negative numbers and their calculations were > > > > explained first by Brahmagupta in his book Brahmasputa Siddhanta. > > > > > > > > 19. Maharshi Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he > > > > and health scientists of his time conducted surgeries like > > > > cesareans, cataract, fractures and urinary stones. Usage of > > > > anaesthesia was well known in ancient India.He was the first > >person > > > > to perform plastic surgery. > > > > > > > > 20. When many cultures in the world were only nomadic forest > > > > dwellers over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan > >culture > > > > in Sindhu Valley (Indus Valley Civilisation). > > > > > > > > 21. The world's first University was established in Takshila in > > > > 700BC. More than 10,500 students from all over the world studied > > > > more than 60 subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the 4th > > > > century BC was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India > >in > > > > the field of education. > > > > > > > > 22. According to the Forbes magazine, Sanskrit is the most > >suitable > > > > language for computer software. > > > > > > > > 23. Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans. > > > > > > > > 24. According to the Gemmological Institute of America, until > >1896, > > > > India was the only source of diamonds to the world. > > > > > > > > 25. USA based IEEE has proved what has been a century-old > >suspicion > > > > amongst academics that the pioneer of wireless communication was > > > > Professor Jagdeesh Bose and not Marconi. > > > > > > > > 26. The earliest reservoir and dam for irrigation was built in > > > > Saurashtra. > > > > > > > > 27. Chess was invented in India. > > > > > > > > 28. The first philosopher who formulated ideas about the atom in > >a > > > > systematic manner was Kanada who lived in the 6th century B.C. > > > > > > > > 29. All the atomic reactors in the world are in Shiva Linga Shape > > > > which is an Indian contribution. > > > > > > > > 30. Padanjali maharshi discovered Soundwaves. > > > > > > > > 31. Yoga is an ancient Indian gift to the world. > > > > > > > > 32. Shayanacharya discovered velocity of light. > > > > > > > > 33. Maharshi Bharadwaja discovered different types of light rays. > > > > > > > > 34. Maharshi Bharadwaja was the first person to give defenition > > > > about aeroplane. He explained about different types aeroplanes in > > > > his book "Vimana Thantra" around 2000 years before Right > >Brothers. > > > > > > > > 35. Maharshi Bharadwaja discovered spectrometer. In his "Yantra > > > > Sarvaswa" he explained about more than 100 instruments. > > > > > > > > 36. The different colours of light, VIBGYOR are mentioned in > > > > Rigveda which was written 6000 years ago. > > > > > > > > 37. Maharshi Charaka discovered Psychology and Quantum healing > > > > system. > > > > > > > > 38. Varahamihira discovered the concept of "Budding of plants". > > > > > > > > 39. Seven continents are mentioned in Padmapurana. > > > > > > > > 40. Judo and karate which are coming to India from the far- east > > > > originated in ancient India > > > > > > > > -om tat sat- > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Shad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , "rohiniranjan" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Astronauts, space station, other projectiles that leave > >earth's > > > > pull > > > > > and manage to stay out there are the proof that gravity is > >very > > > > real > > > > > and measurable. On the other hand, a simpler example would be > >a > > > > bird > > > > > or a plane that manages to fly away from earth comes falling > >back > > > > as > > > > > soon as it is struck. Proof enough that gravity exists. > > > > > One can argue in circular logic as much as they want but > >certain > > > > > things are very simple and need not be made too complicated. > >Over > > > > the > > > > > years, enough evidence and demonstration has shown adequate > > > > validity > > > > > and reproducibility of physical principles for one to not > > > question > > > > > physics as being science. Astrology, while potentially and > > > > desirably > > > > > capable perhaps of arriving at that point is certainly not > >there > > > > yet > > > > > and would not get there just by wishing. > > > > > If someone were to come up with a new modality claiming to > >heal > > > > > better than existing scientific methods of healing, we would > >wait > > > > > till we call those science. This in no way reduces the new > > > > method's > > > > > ability to heal or even be superior to existing modalities. > > > > > Some astrologers tend to think that by calling astrology a > > > science > > > > > they would somehow raise its status. Such intellectual slavery > >is > > > > > deplorable, is all I would say. Science is not some holy pie > >in > > > > the > > > > > sky. Mother's maternal instincts are not science or scientific > > > and > > > > > yet the world will come to a screeching halt without this 'non- > > > > > scientific' fact. > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of facts, there is a lot of myth and fiction in > > > > astrological > > > > > repertoire. One of this is the prevailing superstition that > >there > > > > is > > > > > some marvelous hidden body of knowledge only known to some > > > > families > > > > > or paramparas. Well perhaps, but we cannot presume that > >without > > > > > seeing adequate evidence demonstrated for that clearly. Such > >is > > > > > simply not the case. If it was, people who had that knowledge > >or > > > > > ability would have come forward and demonstrated through their > > > > > infalliable predictions. How many such consistent > >demonstrations > > > > have > > > > > we seen in our lifetimes or factually heard of? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Dear Gili devi, pranam. >from your heart >not from the dictionary- please explain the meaning >of 'spirituality to me. I can only say for my self and my be not be satisfactions for you, because my little self is not a learned Pundit to answer such a question. For me spirituality means to live the teachings of Siddhanta in everyday life so good as possible. Tray to serve and worship may Guru, Lord Siva and Laxmi Narisimhadev. Tray to develop sattvic qualities given by Lord Krishna in the Geeta and qualities given by sadhus like this one: Haidakhan Babaji: Love and serve all humanity. Assist everyone. Be happy, be courteous. Be a dynamo of irrepressible joy. Recognize God and goodness in every face. Praise everyone. If you cannot praise someone, let them out of your life. Be original, be inventive. Be courageous. Take courage again and again. Do not imitate; be strong, be upright. Do not lean on the crutches of others. Think with your own head. Be yourself. All perfection and every divine virtue are hidden within you. Reveal them to the world. Wisdom, too, is already within you. Let it shine forth. Let the Lord's grace set you free. Let your life be that of the rose; in silence, it speaks the language of fragrance. Best regards Shad om namaha sivaya , "Gili Mary" <xapsarax@h...> wrote: > > Dear All, > I am a 6o year old woman, well educated, well read and well travelled yet I > am unable to be sure of what you all mean when you use the term > 'spirituality'. Perhaps you wise ones who use the word so freely can define > it for me. > I am certain it isn't synonymous with 'religion' because a spontaneous > moment of bliss and awareness that I had the joy of experiencing transcended > all religions for me. The closest I can come to an interpretation is > 'kindness' - for only that seems to be pure and unselfish ... and 'kindness' > is, I belive, the original meaning of the word charity (before it meant > giving money to absolve ones conscience, an excuse for power and glory - > having a foundation named after oneself, or as a tax shelter). Some of the > most awful travesties are committed in the name of 'love' so I can't accept > that either. > Once we become aware that each one of us connected to every other being... > and indeed to everything else in the Universe it is hardly possible not to > treat all beings with kindness. > So, I humbly ask those of you who feel you know the answer - from your heart > not from the dictionary- please explain the meaning of 'spirituality to me. > Love, > Gili > > >Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri> > > > > > >Re: 2- Re: Codes Of GOD >-Additional Comments > >Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:45:56 +0000 (GMT) > > > >Dear Inderji, > >Have been a silent watcher of this discussion. Some additional thoughts: > > > > > > > >This explains why somebody is more spiritual than others but can also be > >inculcated by determined individuals and the most of Indians are perfect in > >this. > > > >Similar information also came long back in Reader's Digest used to ponder > >on it. > > > >But it is always strange, that any Octagonan, will always find simile of > >this spiritual feelings, with some drug or other. > > > >There has to be some link with Science and the still unknown spheres. The > >science will gradually explore this for the benefit of mankind though more > >and more areas will remain unexplained. > > > >At least very recently the top scientists are having a clear mind to > >explore and not biased like the earlier Western /Western educated > >Scientists. > > > >Sir John Woodroff (late 19th century, then Chief Justice of India, ruled by > >the British) once mentioned, "…. it seems, that the Western scholar's mind > >is not designed to understand these complicated spiritual vistas and hence > >decides that these are all mumbo - jumbo." > > > > > > > >With best wishes, > > > >Amitabh Shastri > >Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > >Dear Rohiniji, > >It is intersting discussion. > > > >When Homeopathy was being developed and was becoming popular in > >Germany,and America homeopaths were so excited that they were > >calling Homeopathy a mordern and more scientific theraputics and > >allopathy as old and unscitific. > > > >Homeo medicines were so effective and wonderful that people were > >excited with this discovery. > > > >But later with the advent of anti-bioteccis, new surgical methods > >and testing techniques made allopathis gaining clear upper hand. > >Slowely homeopathy was getting forgotten and also lebelled as > >unscintific. > > > >However, it travelled to India and made its permanent home here. [we > >are unscintific??!!] > > > >Now Homeopathy is an alternate medicine system and unscitific, > >inspite of its wonderful cures. > >Inder > > > >, "rohiniranjan" > >wrote: > > > > > > I wish you had only taken the time to read my postings on this > > > subject before responding in a reflexive way. > > > > > > That is exactly what I have been saying all these years: > > > a) That modern science is not something superior > > > b) That astrologers, particularly modern astrologers should break > > > away from the mental/intellectual slavery of thinking science is > >the > > > greatest thing, unconditionally, and that astrology must be > >declared > > > and pushed to become a science before it claims its place in the > > > universe of respectability. > > > c) No one would argue that great literature, for instance, has its > > > significant role in the shaping of culture and societies -- and it > >is > > > NOT science or scientific even! > > > d) Why must astrology be forced into being science as some of the > > > modern elitists keep pushing it to be? > > > > > > rohiniranjan > > > , "Shad" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rohiniranjan Ji, pranam! > > > > > > > > what great thing hasn't modern science invented that didn't > >already > > > > exist in ancient Indian times?? > > > > > > > > Here some inspirational facts, that show that the vedas and it's > > > > scholars were no blind believers, and that today's science > > > decorates > > > > itself with scientific realizations, that aren't their, but have > > > > been known long before. Gravity is only one of those... > > > > > > > > Read and enjoy: > > > > > > > > INDIAN SCIENTIFIC HERITAGE: > > > > > > > > http://forums.about.com/ab-hinduism/messages/?msg=1138.1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you know the following facts… > > > > > > > > 1. India invented the Number system. Pingalacharya > > > > invented `zero.' in 200 BC. > > > > > > > > 2. Indians discovered the size, shape, rotation and gravity of > > > > earth about 1000 years before Kelvin, Galileo, Newton and Copper > > > > Nicus. Aryabhatta I was the first to explain spherical > > > > shape, size, diameter, rotaion and correct speed of Earth in 499 > >AD. > > > > > > > > 3. Newton's law of Gravitational force is an ancient Indian > > > > discovery. In Siddhanta Siromani ( Bhuvanakosam 6 ) > >Bhaskaracharya > > > > II described about gravity of earth about 400 years before Sir > > > > Isaac Newton. > > > > > > > > 4. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in > > > > India in 100 BC. > > > > > > > > 5. Indians discovered Arithmetic and Geometric progression. > > > > Arithmetic progression is explained in Yajurveda. > > > > > > > > 6. Govindaswamin discovered Newton Gauss Interpolation formula > > > > about 1800 years before Newton. > > > > > > > > 7. Vateswaracharya discovered Newton Gauss Backward > > > > Interpolation formula about 1000 yers before Newton. > > > > > > > > 8. Madhavacharya discovered Taylor series of Sine and Cosine > > > > function about 250 years before Taylor. > > > > > > > > 9. Madhavacharya discovered Newton Power series. > > > > > > > > 10. Madhavacharya discovered Gregory Leibnitz series for the > > > > Inverse Tangent about 280 years before Gregory. > > > > > > > > 11. Madhavacharya discovered Leibnitz power series for pi about > >300 > > > > years before Leibnitz. > > > > > > > > 12. Parameswaracharya discovered Lhuiler's formula about 400 > >years > > > > before Lhuiler. > > > > > > > > 13. Nilakanta discovered Newton's Infinite Geometric Progression > > > > convergent series. > > > > > > > > 14. Theoroms relating the diameter,volume and circumference of > > > > circles discovered by Madhavacharya,Puthumana > >Somayaji,Aryabhatta, > > > > Bhaskaracharya……. > > > > > > > > 15. The value of pi was first calculated by Boudhayana, and he > > > > discovered Pythagorus Theorem in 800BC. ie 300 years before > > > > Pythagorus. > > > > > > > > 16. Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from India. Quadratic > > > > equations were by Sridharacharya in the 11th Century. While the > > > > Greeks were using only upto a max imum value 1000 , Indians > >could go > > > > upto 18th power of 10 level during Vedic period. > > > > > > > > 17. Infinity was well known for ancient Indians. > > > > > > > > 18. Positive and Negative numbers and their calculations were > > > > explained first by Brahmagupta in his book Brahmasputa Siddhanta. > > > > > > > > 19. Maharshi Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he > > > > and health scientists of his time conducted surgeries like > > > > cesareans, cataract, fractures and urinary stones. Usage of > > > > anaesthesia was well known in ancient India.He was the first > >person > > > > to perform plastic surgery. > > > > > > > > 20. When many cultures in the world were only nomadic forest > > > > dwellers over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan > >culture > > > > in Sindhu Valley (Indus Valley Civilisation). > > > > > > > > 21. The world's first University was established in Takshila in > > > > 700BC. More than 10,500 students from all over the world studied > > > > more than 60 subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the 4th > > > > century BC was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India > >in > > > > the field of education. > > > > > > > > 22. According to the Forbes magazine, Sanskrit is the most > >suitable > > > > language for computer software. > > > > > > > > 23. Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans. > > > > > > > > 24. According to the Gemmological Institute of America, until > >1896, > > > > India was the only source of diamonds to the world. > > > > > > > > 25. USA based IEEE has proved what has been a century-old > >suspicion > > > > amongst academics that the pioneer of wireless communication was > > > > Professor Jagdeesh Bose and not Marconi. > > > > > > > > 26. The earliest reservoir and dam for irrigation was built in > > > > Saurashtra. > > > > > > > > 27. Chess was invented in India. > > > > > > > > 28. The first philosopher who formulated ideas about the atom in > >a > > > > systematic manner was Kanada who lived in the 6th century B.C. > > > > > > > > 29. All the atomic reactors in the world are in Shiva Linga Shape > > > > which is an Indian contribution. > > > > > > > > 30. Padanjali maharshi discovered Soundwaves. > > > > > > > > 31. Yoga is an ancient Indian gift to the world. > > > > > > > > 32. Shayanacharya discovered velocity of light. > > > > > > > > 33. Maharshi Bharadwaja discovered different types of light rays. > > > > > > > > 34. Maharshi Bharadwaja was the first person to give defenition > > > > about aeroplane. He explained about different types aeroplanes in > > > > his book "Vimana Thantra" around 2000 years before Right > >Brothers. > > > > > > > > 35. Maharshi Bharadwaja discovered spectrometer. In his "Yantra > > > > Sarvaswa" he explained about more than 100 instruments. > > > > > > > > 36. The different colours of light, VIBGYOR are mentioned in > > > > Rigveda which was written 6000 years ago. > > > > > > > > 37. Maharshi Charaka discovered Psychology and Quantum healing > > > > system. > > > > > > > > 38. Varahamihira discovered the concept of "Budding of plants". > > > > > > > > 39. Seven continents are mentioned in Padmapurana. > > > > > > > > 40. Judo and karate which are coming to India from the far- east > > > > originated in ancient India > > > > > > > > -om tat sat- > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Shad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , "rohiniranjan" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Astronauts, space station, other projectiles that leave > >earth's > > > > pull > > > > > and manage to stay out there are the proof that gravity is > >very > > > > real > > > > > and measurable. On the other hand, a simpler example would be > >a > > > > bird > > > > > or a plane that manages to fly away from earth comes falling > >back > > > > as > > > > > soon as it is struck. Proof enough that gravity exists. > > > > > One can argue in circular logic as much as they want but > >certain > > > > > things are very simple and need not be made too complicated. > >Over > > > > the > > > > > years, enough evidence and demonstration has shown adequate > > > > validity > > > > > and reproducibility of physical principles for one to not > > > question > > > > > physics as being science. Astrology, while potentially and > > > > desirably > > > > > capable perhaps of arriving at that point is certainly not > >there > > > > yet > > > > > and would not get there just by wishing. > > > > > If someone were to come up with a new modality claiming to > >heal > > > > > better than existing scientific methods of healing, we would > >wait > > > > > till we call those science. This in no way reduces the new > > > > method's > > > > > ability to heal or even be superior to existing modalities. > > > > > Some astrologers tend to think that by calling astrology a > > > science > > > > > they would somehow raise its status. Such intellectual slavery > >is > > > > > deplorable, is all I would say. Science is not some holy pie > >in > > > > the > > > > > sky. Mother's maternal instincts are not science or scientific > > > and > > > > > yet the world will come to a screeching halt without this 'non- > > > > > scientific' fact. > > > > > > > > > > Speaking of facts, there is a lot of myth and fiction in > > > > astrological > > > > > repertoire. One of this is the prevailing superstition that > >there > > > > is > > > > > some marvelous hidden body of knowledge only known to some > > > > families > > > > > or paramparas. Well perhaps, but we cannot presume that > >without > > > > > seeing adequate evidence demonstrated for that clearly. Such > >is > > > > > simply not the case. If it was, people who had that knowledge > >or > > > > > ability would have come forward and demonstrated through their > > > > > infalliable predictions. How many such consistent > >demonstrations > > > > have > > > > > we seen in our lifetimes or factually heard of? > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 I agree with sreelatha .. there can be no better definition of spirituality that wat you have given .. I personally feel love is the bottomline of all sprituality, and somehow kindness, disciplin, respect for all creation (including self) and firmness to name a few are inseperable from the idea of love ... Spirituality is also to me the ability to involve into pains/joys of the mundane life and simultaneously not lose focus of the bigger picture .. this directly or indirectly involves dispassion and non attachment while possessing things of the material world .. it is to realise the difference between feelings and emotions ... It is lastly also to delve into the purpose of existance and a willingness to go back to the source from where we come from ... --- "V. Sreelatha" <venkatarama_sastry wrote: > > Dear Gili, > > Welcome back, it is always a pleasure to read your > postings. You > have given such a beautiful definition of > spirituality, what can > anyone else say? You said > > > Once we become aware that each one of us connected > to every other > being... > > and indeed to everything else in the Universe it > is hardly > possible not to > > treat all beings with kindness. > > As you said, understanding the universal spirit is > spirituality, and > the outward manifestation of this is kindness > towards all. You have > succintly stated what the great masters of every > religion expressed > throughout the ages....... how lovely! Hope the > esteemed members of > this group can add to this thread. > > > Sincerely, > Sreelatha > > , "Gili Mary" > <xapsarax@h...> > wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > I am a 6o year old woman, well educated, well read > and well > travelled yet I > > am unable to be sure of what you all mean when you > use the term > > 'spirituality'. Perhaps you wise ones who use the > word so freely > can define > > it for me. > > I am certain it isn't synonymous with 'religion' > because a > spontaneous > > moment of bliss and awareness that I had the joy > of experiencing > transcended > > all religions for me. The closest I can come to > an interpretation > is > > 'kindness' - for only that seems to be pure and > unselfish ... > and 'kindness' > > is, I belive, the original meaning of the word > charity (before > it meant > > giving money to absolve ones conscience, an excuse > for power and > glory - > > having a foundation named after oneself, or as a > tax shelter). > Some of the > > most awful travesties are committed in the name of > 'love' so I > can't accept > > that either. > > Once we become aware that each one of us connected > to every other > being... > > and indeed to everything else in the Universe it > is hardly > possible not to > > treat all beings with kindness. > > So, I humbly ask those of you who feel you know > the answer - from > your heart > > not from the dictionary- please explain the > meaning > of 'spirituality to me. > > Love, > > Gili > > > > >Amitabh Shastri <amitabh_shastri> > > > > > > > > >Re: 2- Re: Codes Of GOD >-Additional > Comments > > >Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:45:56 +0000 (GMT) > > > > > >Dear Inderji, > > >Have been a silent watcher of this discussion. > Some additional > thoughts: > > > > > > > > > > > >This explains why somebody is more spiritual than > others but can > also be > > >inculcated by determined individuals and the most > of Indians are > perfect in > > >this. > > > > > >Similar information also came long back in > Reader's Digest used > to ponder > > >on it. > > > > > >But it is always strange, that any Octagonan, > will always find > simile of > > >this spiritual feelings, with some drug or other. > > > > > >There has to be some link with Science and the > still unknown > spheres. The > > >science will gradually explore this for the > benefit of mankind > though more > > >and more areas will remain unexplained. > > > > > >At least very recently the top scientists are > having a clear mind > to > > >explore and not biased like the earlier Western > /Western educated > > >Scientists. > > > > > >Sir John Woodroff (late 19th century, then Chief > Justice of > India, ruled by > > >the British) once mentioned, "…. it seems, that > the Western > scholar's mind > > >is not designed to understand these complicated > spiritual vistas > and hence > > >decides that these are all mumbo - jumbo." > > > > > > > > > > > >With best wishes, > > > > > >Amitabh Shastri > > >Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > >Dear Rohiniji, > > >It is intersting discussion. > > > > > >When Homeopathy was being developed and was > becoming popular in > > >Germany,and America homeopaths were so excited > that they were > > >calling Homeopathy a mordern and more scientific > theraputics and > > >allopathy as old and unscitific. > > > > > >Homeo medicines were so effective and wonderful > that people were > > >excited with this discovery. > > > > > >But later with the advent of anti-bioteccis, new > surgical methods > > >and testing techniques made allopathis gaining > clear upper hand. > > >Slowely homeopathy was getting forgotten and also > lebelled as > > >unscintific. > > > > > >However, it travelled to India and made its > permanent home here. > [we > > >are unscintific??!!] > > > > > >Now Homeopathy is an alternate medicine system > and unscitific, > > >inspite of its wonderful cures. > > >Inder > > > > > >, > "rohiniranjan" > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > I wish you had only taken the time to read my > postings on this > > > > subject before responding in a reflexive way. > > > > > > > > That is exactly what I have been saying all > these years: > > > > a) That modern science is not something > superior > > > > b) That astrologers, particularly modern > astrologers should > break > > > > away from the mental/intellectual slavery of > thinking science > is > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Hello Members, What is not practicable and what is for the sake of academic interest has been thought of as under: understanding the universal spirit is: spirituality, and the outward manifestation of this is kindness towards all. Is it not that "spirtuality is to serve the Humanity without seeking any returns and the thank the God for giving such noble birth and as such an opportunity". _to respect feelings of others and show tolearnce towards others _ to realise that purpose of the life is to realise things that there are many things which are beyond"Self" and find God in every one. Spirtuality is a feasible practice and is an internal feeling and has to be a mindset. Hope members will be giving their views and ideas which are more practical rather than in terms of language surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: I agree with sreelatha .. there can be no better definition of spirituality that wat you have given .. I personally feel love is the bottomline of all sprituality, and somehow kindness, disciplin, respect for all creation (including self) and firmness to name a few are inseperable from the idea of love ... Spirituality is also to me the ability to involve into pains/joys of the mundane life and simultaneously not lose focus of the bigger picture .. this directly or indirectly involves dispassion and non attachment while possessing things of the material world .. it is to realise the difference between feelings and emotions ... It is lastly also to delve into the purpose of existance and a willingness to go back to the source from where we come from ... --- "V. Sreelatha" wrote: > > Dear Gili, > > Welcome back, it is always a pleasure to read your > postings. You > have given such a beautiful definition of > spirituality, what can > anyone else say? You said > > > Once we become aware that each one of us connected > to every other > being... > > and indeed to everything else in the Universe it > is hardly > possible not to > > treat all beings with kindness. > > As you said, understanding the universal spirit is > spirituality, and > the outward manifestation of this is kindness > towards all. You have > succintly stated what the great masters of every > religion expressed > throughout the ages....... how lovely! Hope the > esteemed members of > this group can add to this thread. > > > Sincerely, > Sreelatha > > , "Gili Mary" > > wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > I am a 6o year old woman, well educated, well read > and well > travelled yet I > > am unable to be sure of what you all mean when you > use the term > > 'spirituality'. Perhaps you wise ones who use the > word so freely > can define > > it for me. > > I am certain it isn't synonymous with 'religion' > because a > spontaneous > > moment of bliss and awareness that I had the joy > of experiencing > transcended > > all religions for me. The closest I can come to > an interpretation > is > > 'kindness' - for only that seems to be pure and > unselfish ... > and 'kindness' > > is, I belive, the original meaning of the word > charity (before > it meant > > giving money to absolve ones conscience, an excuse > for power and > glory - > > having a foundation named after oneself, or as a > tax shelter). > Some of the > > most awful travesties are committed in the name of > 'love' so I > can't accept > > that either. > > Once we become aware that each one of us connected > to every other > being... > > and indeed to everything else in the Universe it > is hardly > possible not to > > treat all beings with kindness. > > So, I humbly ask those of you who feel you know > the answer - from > your heart > > not from the dictionary- please explain the > meaning > of 'spirituality to me. > > Love, > > Gili > > > > >Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > >Re: 2- Re: Codes Of GOD >-Additional > Comments > > >Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:45:56 +0000 (GMT) > > > > > >Dear Inderji, > > >Have been a silent watcher of this discussion. > Some additional > thoughts: > > > > > > > > > > > >This explains why somebody is more spiritual than > others but can > also be > > >inculcated by determined individuals and the most > of Indians are > perfect in > > >this. > > > > > >Similar information also came long back in > Reader's Digest used > to ponder > > >on it. > > > > > >But it is always strange, that any Octagonan, > will always find > simile of > > >this spiritual feelings, with some drug or other. > > > > > >There has to be some link with Science and the > still unknown > spheres. The > > >science will gradually explore this for the > benefit of mankind > though more > > >and more areas will remain unexplained. > > > > > >At least very recently the top scientists are > having a clear mind > to > > >explore and not biased like the earlier Western > /Western educated > > >Scientists. > > > > > >Sir John Woodroff (late 19th century, then Chief > Justice of > India, ruled by > > >the British) once mentioned, "…. it seems, that > the Western > scholar's mind > > >is not designed to understand these complicated > spiritual vistas > and hence > > >decides that these are all mumbo - jumbo." > > > > > > > > > > > >With best wishes, > > > > > >Amitabh Shastri > > >Inder wrote: > > >Dear Rohiniji, > > >It is intersting discussion. > > > > > >When Homeopathy was being developed and was > becoming popular in > > >Germany,and America homeopaths were so excited > that they were > > >calling Homeopathy a mordern and more scientific > theraputics and > > >allopathy as old and unscitific. > > > > > >Homeo medicines were so effective and wonderful > that people were > > >excited with this discovery. > > > > > >But later with the advent of anti-bioteccis, new > surgical methods > > >and testing techniques made allopathis gaining > clear upper hand. > > >Slowely homeopathy was getting forgotten and also > lebelled as > > >unscintific. > > > > > >However, it travelled to India and made its > permanent home here. > [we > > >are unscintific??!!] > > > > > >Now Homeopathy is an alternate medicine system > and unscitific, > > >inspite of its wonderful cures. > > >Inder > > > > > >, > "rohiniranjan" > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > I wish you had only taken the time to read my > postings on this > > > > subject before responding in a reflexive way. > > > > > > > > That is exactly what I have been saying all > these years: > > > > a) That modern science is not something > superior > > > > b) That astrologers, particularly modern > astrologers should > break > > > > away from the mental/intellectual slavery of > thinking science > is > === message truncated === ~! 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Guest guest Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Dear friend, What would happen when you realise that there is the same god in everyone else? isnt it tolerance or kindness? can tolerance and kindness be seperated? Am I missing something that you are saying? To me the only practical aspect of spirituality is to realise that you cant attain spirituality at the cost of your normal life ... Material world and spiritual world are like two wings of a bird ... the bird can fly only when both the wings are balanced and in synch ! --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Hello Members, > What is not practicable and what is for the sake of > academic interest has been thought of as under: > understanding the universal spirit is: spirituality, > and the outward manifestation of this is kindness > towards all. > > Is it not that "spirtuality is to serve the Humanity > without seeking any returns and the thank the God > for giving such noble birth and as such an > opportunity". > _to respect feelings of others and show tolearnce > towards others > _ to realise that purpose of the life is to realise > things that there are many things which are > beyond"Self" and find God in every one. > Spirtuality is a feasible practice and is an > internal feeling and has to be a mindset. > > Hope members will be giving their views and ideas > which are more practical rather than in terms of > language > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: > > I agree with sreelatha .. there can be no better > definition of spirituality that wat you have given > .. > > I personally feel love is the bottomline of all > sprituality, and somehow kindness, disciplin, > respect > for all creation (including self) and firmness to > name > a few are inseperable from the idea of love ... > > Spirituality is also to me the ability to involve > into > pains/joys of the mundane life and simultaneously > not > lose focus of the bigger picture .. this directly or > indirectly involves dispassion and non attachment > while possessing things of the material world .. it > is > to realise the difference between feelings and > emotions ... > > It is lastly also to delve into the purpose of > existance and a willingness to go back to the source > from where we come from ... > > > --- "V. Sreelatha" > wrote: > > > > > Dear Gili, > > > > Welcome back, it is always a pleasure to read your > > postings. You > > have given such a beautiful definition of > > spirituality, what can > > anyone else say? You said > > > > > Once we become aware that each one of us > connected > > to every other > > being... > > > and indeed to everything else in the Universe it > > is hardly > > possible not to > > > treat all beings with kindness. > > > > As you said, understanding the universal spirit is > > spirituality, and > > the outward manifestation of this is kindness > > towards all. You have > > succintly stated what the great masters of every > > religion expressed > > throughout the ages....... how lovely! Hope the > > esteemed members of > > this group can add to this thread. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > Sreelatha > > > > , "Gili > Mary" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > I am a 6o year old woman, well educated, well > read > > and well > > travelled yet I > > > am unable to be sure of what you all mean when > you > > use the term > > > 'spirituality'. Perhaps you wise ones who use > the > > word so freely > > can define > > > it for me. > > > I am certain it isn't synonymous with 'religion' > > because a > > spontaneous > > > moment of bliss and awareness that I had the joy > > of experiencing > > transcended > > > all religions for me. The closest I can come to > > an interpretation > > is > > > 'kindness' - for only that seems to be pure and > > unselfish ... > > and 'kindness' > > > is, I belive, the original meaning of the word > > charity (before > > it meant > > > giving money to absolve ones conscience, an > excuse > > for power and > > glory - > > > having a foundation named after oneself, or as a > > tax shelter). > > Some of the > > > most awful travesties are committed in the name > of > > 'love' so I > > can't accept > > > that either. > > > Once we become aware that each one of us > connected > > to every other > > being... > > > and indeed to everything else in the Universe it > > is hardly > > possible not to > > > treat all beings with kindness. > > > So, I humbly ask those of you who feel you know > > the answer - from > > your heart > > > not from the dictionary- please explain the > > meaning > > of 'spirituality to me. > > > Love, > > > Gili > > > > > > >Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > >Re: 2- Re: Codes Of GOD > >-Additional > > Comments > > > >Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:45:56 +0000 (GMT) > > > > > > > >Dear Inderji, > > > >Have been a silent watcher of this discussion. > > Some additional > > thoughts: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This explains why somebody is more spiritual > than > > others but can > > also be > > > >inculcated by determined individuals and the > most > > of Indians are > > perfect in > > > >this. > > > > > > > >Similar information also came long back in > > Reader's Digest used > > to ponder > > > >on it. > > > > > > > >But it is always strange, that any Octagonan, > > will always find > > simile of > > > >this spiritual feelings, with some drug or > other. > > > > > > > >There has to be some link with Science and the > > still unknown > > spheres. The > > > >science will gradually explore this for the > > benefit of mankind > > though more > > > >and more areas will remain unexplained. > > > > > > > >At least very recently the top scientists are > > having a clear mind > > to > > > >explore and not biased like the earlier Western > > /Western educated > > > >Scientists. > > > > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Hello Suryaji. As part of our normal life Almighty has given to us many wonders.Again we choose and decide according to our mindset and experience the life.For better explicability i would consider tolerance(readiness to feel)- as we are not in hurry/ anxious to identify "something" and kindness as a frame of mind needed in the search of spirtuality.Spirtuality is a practical approach and an experimental approach. certainly,a person who gives value and respect to others will definetely find the same God in every one. I therefore feel:. Good if we can find the same God in every one as we are on the same Mother Earth bestowed by The Supreem.In fact it is a Great realisation by itself.If that happens to be the case we are "on the way to spirtuality". Iam somehow of the belief that normal life(by location) in which we are "situated" is the holistic part of the universe and a part of it is the element of spirtuality.It is for us to find it and adopt it .if it can be a mindset certainly we are into "spirtualism" Your other point: "you cant attain spirituality at the cost of your normal life" Again if Iam allowed to say that the possiblity to attain spirtuality is a 'kind of search' by itself.The ultimate to noramal life is spirtuality(?) If the ultimate is spirtuality and the path to attain is identified,let all of us put all our endowed faculties together to fulfil this supreem objective The other point you made: "Material world and spiritual world are like two wings of a bird" Incase if these(the two worlds named by you) are complementary to each other and are the resources/faculties gifted to us, let us, fly(attempt) "as bird" and experience whether these two worlds coexist are not. The point I would like to make is all of our "inner feelings" are spirtual in nature.Somehow there is some kind of limitation probably that makes us to hide these feelings with in us and seldom we feel like expressing to out side world.I would prefer to term this outer/outside world(Life) as materialistic Iam sure we are able to realise the ultimate only through the mindset.Can we agree this as a spirtuality? Thanx krishnan surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: Dear friend, What would happen when you realise that there is the same god in everyone else? isnt it tolerance or kindness? can tolerance and kindness be seperated? Am I missing something that you are saying? To me the only practical aspect of spirituality is to realise that you cant attain spirituality at the cost of your normal life ... Material world and spiritual world are like two wings of a bird ... the bird can fly only when both the wings are balanced and in synch ! --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Hello Members, > What is not practicable and what is for the sake of > academic interest has been thought of as under: > understanding the universal spirit is: spirituality, > and the outward manifestation of this is kindness > towards all. > > Is it not that "spirtuality is to serve the Humanity > without seeking any returns and the thank the God > for giving such noble birth and as such an > opportunity". > _to respect feelings of others and show tolearnce > towards others > _ to realise that purpose of the life is to realise > things that there are many things which are > beyond"Self" and find God in every one. > Spirtuality is a feasible practice and is an > internal feeling and has to be a mindset. > > Hope members will be giving their views and ideas > which are more practical rather than in terms of > language > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: > > I agree with sreelatha .. there can be no better > definition of spirituality that wat you have given > .. > > I personally feel love is the bottomline of all > sprituality, and somehow kindness, disciplin, > respect > for all creation (including self) and firmness to > name > a few are inseperable from the idea of love ... > > Spirituality is also to me the ability to involve > into > pains/joys of the mundane life and simultaneously > not > lose focus of the bigger picture .. this directly or > indirectly involves dispassion and non attachment > while possessing things of the material world .. it > is > to realise the difference between feelings and > emotions ... > > It is lastly also to delve into the purpose of > existance and a willingness to go back to the source > from where we come from ... > > > --- "V. Sreelatha" > wrote: > > > > > Dear Gili, > > > > Welcome back, it is always a pleasure to read your > > postings. You > > have given such a beautiful definition of > > spirituality, what can > > anyone else say? You said > > > > > Once we become aware that each one of us > connected > > to every other > > being... > > > and indeed to everything else in the Universe it > > is hardly > > possible not to > > > treat all beings with kindness. > > > > As you said, understanding the universal spirit is > > spirituality, and > > the outward manifestation of this is kindness > > towards all. You have > > succintly stated what the great masters of every > > religion expressed > > throughout the ages....... how lovely! Hope the > > esteemed members of > > this group can add to this thread. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > Sreelatha > > > > , "Gili > Mary" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > I am a 6o year old woman, well educated, well > read > > and well > > travelled yet I > > > am unable to be sure of what you all mean when > you > > use the term > > > 'spirituality'. Perhaps you wise ones who use > the > > word so freely > > can define > > > it for me. > > > I am certain it isn't synonymous with 'religion' > > because a > > spontaneous > > > moment of bliss and awareness that I had the joy > > of experiencing > > transcended > > > all religions for me. The closest I can come to > > an interpretation > > is > > > 'kindness' - for only that seems to be pure and > > unselfish ... > > and 'kindness' > > > is, I belive, the original meaning of the word > > charity (before > > it meant > > > giving money to absolve ones conscience, an > excuse > > for power and > > glory - > > > having a foundation named after oneself, or as a > > tax shelter). > > Some of the > > > most awful travesties are committed in the name > of > > 'love' so I > > can't accept > > > that either. > > > Once we become aware that each one of us > connected > > to every other > > being... > > > and indeed to everything else in the Universe it > > is hardly > > possible not to > > > treat all beings with kindness. > > > So, I humbly ask those of you who feel you know > > the answer - from > > your heart > > > not from the dictionary- please explain the > > meaning > > of 'spirituality to me. > > > Love, > > > Gili > > > > > > >Amitabh Shastri > > > > > > > > > > > >Re: 2- Re: Codes Of GOD > >-Additional > > Comments > > > >Mon, 27 Dec 2004 13:45:56 +0000 (GMT) > > > > > > > >Dear Inderji, > > > >Have been a silent watcher of this discussion. > > Some additional > > thoughts: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This explains why somebody is more spiritual > than > > others but can > > also be > > > >inculcated by determined individuals and the > most > > of Indians are > > perfect in > > > >this. > > > > > > > >Similar information also came long back in > > Reader's Digest used > > to ponder > > > >on it. > > > > > > > >But it is always strange, that any Octagonan, > > will always find > > simile of > > > >this spiritual feelings, with some drug or > other. > > > > > > > >There has to be some link with Science and the > > still unknown > > spheres. The > > > >science will gradually explore this for the > > benefit of mankind > > though more > > > >and more areas will remain unexplained. > > > > > > > >At least very recently the top scientists are > > having a clear mind > > to > > > >explore and not biased like the earlier Western > > /Western educated > > > >Scientists. > > > > > === message truncated === ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Hello, I am able to sense the content of your response, however I am not able to grasp all of what you are saying .. please pardon me ... Mindset you are talking about is related to our beliefs and biases and which are again grounded in our experiences and perceptions ... however a mind set is only necessary to get one started into spirituality .... In the true sense of the word spirituality is the process of losing all mindset as I see it .. No practical approach is complete without theory backing it ... theory and practice should always go hand in hand ... however you are right in that we have to experiment ... again, experimentation ends once you after you reach a stage of evolution (or find a guru you have complete faith in) ... I am not sure if i am answering your concerns?? My view is that however far fetching a theory may be ... working towards it in ways that we can surely is a good way to progress !! Thanks for your time! --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > Hello Suryaji. > As part of our normal life Almighty has given to us > many wonders.Again we choose and decide according to > our mindset and experience the life.For better > explicability i would consider tolerance(readiness > to feel)- as we are not in hurry/ anxious to > identify "something" and kindness as a frame of > mind needed in the search of spirtuality.Spirtuality > is a practical approach and an experimental > approach. > certainly,a person who gives value and respect to > others will definetely find the same God in every > one. > I therefore feel:. > Good if we can find the same God in every one as we > are on the same Mother Earth bestowed by The > Supreem.In fact it is a Great realisation by > itself.If that happens to be the case we are "on the > way to spirtuality". > Iam somehow of the belief that normal life(by > location) in which we are "situated" is the holistic > part of the universe and a part of it is the element > of spirtuality.It is for us to find it and adopt it > .if it can be a mindset certainly we are into > "spirtualism" > Your other point: > "you cant attain spirituality at the cost > of your normal life" > Again if Iam allowed to say that the possiblity to > attain spirtuality is a 'kind of search' by > itself.The ultimate to noramal life is > spirtuality(?) > If the ultimate is spirtuality and the path to > attain is identified,let all of us put all our > endowed faculties together to fulfil this supreem > objective > The other point you made: > "Material world and spiritual > world are like two wings of a bird" > > Incase if these(the two worlds named by you) are > complementary to each other and are the > resources/faculties gifted to us, let us, > fly(attempt) "as bird" and experience whether these > two worlds coexist are not. > The point I would like to make is all of our "inner > feelings" are spirtual in nature.Somehow there is > some kind of limitation probably that makes us to > hide these feelings with in us and seldom we feel > like expressing to out side world.I would prefer to > term this outer/outside world(Life) as materialistic > > Iam sure we are able to realise the ultimate only > through the mindset.Can we agree this as a > spirtuality? > Thanx > krishnan > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: > Dear friend, > > What would happen when you realise that there is the > same god in everyone else? isnt it tolerance or > kindness? can tolerance and kindness be seperated? > > Am I missing something that you are saying? > > To me the only practical aspect of spirituality is > to > realise that you cant attain spirituality at the > cost > of your normal life ... Material world and spiritual > world are like two wings of a bird ... the bird can > fly only when both the wings are balanced and in > synch > ! > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > > > > Hello Members, > > What is not practicable and what is for the sake > of > > academic interest has been thought of as under: > > understanding the universal spirit is: > spirituality, > > and the outward manifestation of this is kindness > > towards all. > > > > Is it not that "spirtuality is to serve the > Humanity > > without seeking any returns and the thank the God > > for giving such noble birth and as such an > > opportunity". > > _to respect feelings of others and show tolearnce > > towards others > > _ to realise that purpose of the life is to > realise > > things that there are many things which are > > beyond"Self" and find God in every one. > > Spirtuality is a feasible practice and is an > > internal feeling and has to be a mindset. > > > > Hope members will be giving their views and ideas > > which are more practical rather than in terms of > > language > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > wrote: > > > > I agree with sreelatha .. there can be no better > > definition of spirituality that wat you have given > > .. > > > > I personally feel love is the bottomline of all > > sprituality, and somehow kindness, disciplin, > > respect > > for all creation (including self) and firmness to > > name > > a few are inseperable from the idea of love ... > > > > Spirituality is also to me the ability to involve > > into > > pains/joys of the mundane life and simultaneously > > not > > lose focus of the bigger picture .. this directly > or > > indirectly involves dispassion and non attachment > > while possessing things of the material world .. > it > > is > > to realise the difference between feelings and > > emotions ... > > > > It is lastly also to delve into the purpose of > > existance and a willingness to go back to the > source > > from where we come from ... > > > > > > --- "V. Sreelatha" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gili, > > > > > > Welcome back, it is always a pleasure to read > your > > > postings. You > > > have given such a beautiful definition of > > > spirituality, what can > > > anyone else say? You said > > > > > > > Once we become aware that each one of us > > connected > > > to every other > > > being... > > > > and indeed to everything else in the Universe > it > > > is hardly > > > possible not to > > > > treat all beings with kindness. > > > > > > As you said, understanding the universal spirit > is > > > spirituality, and > > > the outward manifestation of this is kindness > > > towards all. You have > > > succintly stated what the great masters of every > > > religion expressed > > > throughout the ages....... how lovely! Hope the > > > esteemed members of > > > this group can add to this thread. > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Sreelatha > > > > > > , "Gili > > Mary" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > I am a 6o year old woman, well educated, well > > read > > > and well > > > travelled yet I > > > > am unable to be sure of what you all mean when > > you > > > use the term > > > > 'spirituality'. Perhaps you wise ones who use > > the > > > word so freely > > > can define > > > > it for me. > > > > I am certain it isn't synonymous with > 'religion' > > > because a > > > spontaneous > > > > moment of bliss and awareness that I had the > joy > === message truncated === Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile./maildemo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Hello Members, I find from several posts taht most of the opinions are only hovering around spirtuality but does not find apractiacble and lasting approach. Recently one of the Group member opined in his post: :the word spirituality is the process of losing "all mindset" It looks to me to achieve anything including spirtuality you need an objective and ofcourse an approach initially.otherwise OSHO, a form of spirtuality could not have come out and pracised.I have seen this kind of spirtual approach which ultimately leads to a kind of bliss and find the universe is seamless and filled with joy and happiness.Almost you are floating in a different world of PURITY where nothing of your own is seen.Is this not spirtuality? Is this not a "mindset" to achieve this state. Further things eveolve in Nature only when you explore and go beyond to find that something is "different" and feel unique.At the beginning you were in state of "ignorance" and in the end of in a state of "enlightenment"This journey or traverse from darkness to to a definete state of purity,happiness and joy is what is spirtuality.How this has been achieved is only through a target and an experential approach. Iam sure from a stae of "no theory" we have initaited and through along struggle of practice,perfection and nobility has been achieved So what my friend Shri Suryaji opines finds: :a theory may be working towards it in ways that we can surely is a good way to progress !! It is matter of judgement and spirtuality has to be a kind of approach to be initiated and invented if we have to find the reality or myth. Iam sure members would judge and enlighten me krishnan surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: Hello, I am able to sense the content of your response, however I am not able to grasp all of what you are saying .. please pardon me ... Mindset you are talking about is related to our beliefs and biases and which are again grounded in our experiences and perceptions ... however a mind set is only necessary to get one started into spirituality .... In the true sense of the word spirituality is the process of losing all mindset as I see it .. No practical approach is complete without theory backing it ... theory and practice should always go hand in hand ... however you are right in that we have to experiment ... again, experimentation ends once you after you reach a stage of evolution (or find a guru you have complete faith in) ... I am not sure if i am answering your concerns?? My view is that however far fetching a theory may be ... working towards it in ways that we can surely is a good way to progress !! Thanks for your time! --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > Hello Suryaji. > As part of our normal life Almighty has given to us > many wonders.Again we choose and decide according to > our mindset and experience the life.For better > explicability i would consider tolerance(readiness > to feel)- as we are not in hurry/ anxious to > identify "something" and kindness as a frame of > mind needed in the search of spirtuality.Spirtuality > is a practical approach and an experimental > approach. > certainly,a person who gives value and respect to > others will definetely find the same God in every > one. > I therefore feel:. > Good if we can find the same God in every one as we > are on the same Mother Earth bestowed by The > Supreem.In fact it is a Great realisation by > itself.If that happens to be the case we are "on the > way to spirtuality". > Iam somehow of the belief that normal life(by > location) in which we are "situated" is the holistic > part of the universe and a part of it is the element > of spirtuality.It is for us to find it and adopt it > .if it can be a mindset certainly we are into > "spirtualism" > Your other point: > "you cant attain spirituality at the cost > of your normal life" > Again if Iam allowed to say that the possiblity to > attain spirtuality is a 'kind of search' by > itself.The ultimate to noramal life is > spirtuality(?) > If the ultimate is spirtuality and the path to > attain is identified,let all of us put all our > endowed faculties together to fulfil this supreem > objective > The other point you made: > "Material world and spiritual > world are like two wings of a bird" > > Incase if these(the two worlds named by you) are > complementary to each other and are the > resources/faculties gifted to us, let us, > fly(attempt) "as bird" and experience whether these > two worlds coexist are not. > The point I would like to make is all of our "inner > feelings" are spirtual in nature.Somehow there is > some kind of limitation probably that makes us to > hide these feelings with in us and seldom we feel > like expressing to out side world.I would prefer to > term this outer/outside world(Life) as materialistic > > Iam sure we are able to realise the ultimate only > through the mindset.Can we agree this as a > spirtuality? > Thanx > krishnan > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: > Dear friend, > > What would happen when you realise that there is the > same god in everyone else? isnt it tolerance or > kindness? can tolerance and kindness be seperated? > > Am I missing something that you are saying? > > To me the only practical aspect of spirituality is > to > realise that you cant attain spirituality at the > cost > of your normal life ... Material world and spiritual > world are like two wings of a bird ... the bird can > fly only when both the wings are balanced and in > synch > ! > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > > > > Hello Members, > > What is not practicable and what is for the sake > of > > academic interest has been thought of as under: > > understanding the universal spirit is: > spirituality, > > and the outward manifestation of this is kindness > > towards all. > > > > Is it not that "spirtuality is to serve the > Humanity > > without seeking any returns and the thank the God > > for giving such noble birth and as such an > > opportunity". > > _to respect feelings of others and show tolearnce > > towards others > > _ to realise that purpose of the life is to > realise > > things that there are many things which are > > beyond"Self" and find God in every one. > > Spirtuality is a feasible practice and is an > > internal feeling and has to be a mindset. > > > > Hope members will be giving their views and ideas > > which are more practical rather than in terms of > > language > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > wrote: > > > > I agree with sreelatha .. there can be no better > > definition of spirituality that wat you have given > > .. > > > > I personally feel love is the bottomline of all > > sprituality, and somehow kindness, disciplin, > > respect > > for all creation (including self) and firmness to > > name > > a few are inseperable from the idea of love ... > > > > Spirituality is also to me the ability to involve > > into > > pains/joys of the mundane life and simultaneously > > not > > lose focus of the bigger picture .. this directly > or > > indirectly involves dispassion and non attachment > > while possessing things of the material world .. > it > > is > > to realise the difference between feelings and > > emotions ... > > > > It is lastly also to delve into the purpose of > > existance and a willingness to go back to the > source > > from where we come from ... > > > > > > --- "V. Sreelatha" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Gili, > > > > > > Welcome back, it is always a pleasure to read > your > > > postings. You > > > have given such a beautiful definition of > > > spirituality, what can > > > anyone else say? You said > > > > > > > Once we become aware that each one of us > > connected > > > to every other > > > being... > > > > and indeed to everything else in the Universe > it > > > is hardly > > > possible not to > > > > treat all beings with kindness. > > > > > > As you said, understanding the universal spirit > is > > > spirituality, and > > > the outward manifestation of this is kindness > > > towards all. You have > > > succintly stated what the great masters of every > > > religion expressed > > > throughout the ages....... how lovely! Hope the > > > esteemed members of > > > this group can add to this thread. > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Sreelatha > > > > > > , "Gili > > Mary" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > I am a 6o year old woman, well educated, well > > read > > > and well > > > travelled yet I > > > > am unable to be sure of what you all mean when > > you > > > use the term > > > > 'spirituality'. Perhaps you wise ones who use > > the > > > word so freely > > > can define > > > > it for me. > > > > I am certain it isn't synonymous with > 'religion' > > > because a > > > spontaneous > > > > moment of bliss and awareness that I had the > joy > === message truncated === Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile./maildemo ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / Mail - You care about security. So do we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Dear Krishnan, Firstly I apologize if I sounded agressive or unnecessarily assertive in waht I have written since I sense some agitation in your mail. If this is an undue concern that I am raising then I would be happy if you skipped this para while you read the mail. Coming to the core issue, the mindset of an african shaman might be totally different from the mindset of an Indian sadhu (or osho for that matter). Yet no one can deny experiences/spiritual highs of either a Indian sadhu or an african shaman. Both have their limitations and advantages and neither path can be denied. However, assuming that one of the higher aims of spirituality is to attain "moksha" which of these two mindsets is a good way? who is to judge? Again, if god is supposed to be beyond comprehension of the mind, then what mindset would allow you to fathom him? wont merging in him then need you to leave your mindsets behind? shouldnt both shaman and sadhu leave their mindsets behind and become one with him without differences? That was the point from which I was talking about. This is not to deny that a mindset is not necessary to make spiritual progress. It is mearly to say that it has its benefits only to a certain point. It is something like saying when you are making a journey by plane, your first flight might take you only to an intdermediate destination after which you have to board a different flight. It is also to say that if you dont catch the first flight, then you probably can never reach your destination. Just like "reaching your" destination (objective in yoru words) holds no meaning once you reach your destination, the flights you have caught are only a means to your ends of reaching the destination rather than the destination in themselves. All I am trying to say is use your mindsets, but also be willing to discard them when they have outlived their usefulness. Also to me mindset is of no use unless it translates into experience. Mindset itself however is not experience but a result of experience. For example, teaching a school kid of universal brother hood right from his childhood creates a mindset of wanting to treat everyone as his own. This might or might not however show in his day to day behaviour. However, a person might in a moment of discovery realise that all people in the world are like his family irrespective of his mindset before that moment of discovery this again might or might not become his mindset afterwards ... Why do you suppose that at the beginning we were in state of ignorance? If you ask me I would want to believe that at the begining there was total purity, which then got corrupted midway and then again progresses towards purity, however with a greater level of awareness .... much like a new born growing into brash arrogant youth into a childlike old age with greater awareness than when he was born ... in which case why should just the journey from darkness to light be spirituality? why shun darkness when even darkness is a part of god? Isnt Mother Kali called the eternal night? I agree there should be experience, and experience alone should guide ones reality (again this is hugely subjective), but where does the need to experience start from? dosent it often (important word here) start from the relm of thought? What about spirituality can you hope to invent that has not been invented or experienced before? isnt it a process of journey through discover rather than invention? In any case, what is the objective as you see it? I am now curious to know? --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > Hello Members, > I find from several posts taht most of the opinions > are only hovering around spirtuality but does not > find apractiacble and lasting approach. > Recently one of the Group member opined in his post: > :the word spirituality is the process of losing "all > mindset" > It looks to me to achieve anything including > spirtuality you need an objective and ofcourse an > approach initially.otherwise OSHO, a form of > spirtuality could not have come out and pracised.I > have seen this kind of spirtual approach which > ultimately leads to a kind of bliss and find the > universe is seamless and filled with joy and > happiness.Almost you are floating in a different > world of PURITY where nothing of your own is seen.Is > this not spirtuality? Is this not a "mindset" to > achieve this state. > Further things eveolve in Nature only when you > explore and go beyond to find that something is > "different" and feel unique.At the beginning you > were in state of "ignorance" and in the end of in a > state of "enlightenment"This journey or traverse > from darkness to to a definete state of > purity,happiness and joy is what is spirtuality.How > this has been achieved is only through a target and > an experential approach. > Iam sure from a stae of "no theory" we have > initaited and through along struggle of > practice,perfection and nobility has been achieved > So what my friend Shri Suryaji opines finds: > :a theory may be working towards it in ways that we > can surely is a > good way to progress !! > It is matter of judgement and spirtuality has to be > a kind of approach to be initiated and invented if > we have to find the reality or myth. > Iam sure members would judge and enlighten me > krishnan > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: > Hello, > > I am able to sense the content of your response, > however I am not able to grasp all of what you are > saying .. please pardon me ... > > Mindset you are talking about is related to our > beliefs and biases and which are again grounded in > our > experiences and perceptions ... however a mind set > is > only necessary to get one started into spirituality > ... In the true sense of the word spirituality is > the > process of losing all mindset as I see it .. > > No practical approach is complete without theory > backing it ... theory and practice should always go > hand in hand ... however you are right in that we > have > to experiment ... again, experimentation ends once > you > after you reach a stage of evolution (or find a guru > you have complete faith in) ... > > I am not sure if i am answering your concerns?? > > My view is that however far fetching a theory may be > .. working towards it in ways that we can surely is > a > good way to progress !! > > Thanks for your time! > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > > Hello Suryaji. > > As part of our normal life Almighty has given to > us > > many wonders.Again we choose and decide according > to > > our mindset and experience the life.For better > > explicability i would consider tolerance(readiness > > to feel)- as we are not in hurry/ anxious to > > identify "something" and kindness as a frame of > > mind needed in the search of > spirtuality.Spirtuality > > is a practical approach and an experimental > > approach. > > certainly,a person who gives value and respect to > > others will definetely find the same God in every > > one. > > I therefore feel:. > > Good if we can find the same God in every one as > we > > are on the same Mother Earth bestowed by The > > Supreem.In fact it is a Great realisation by > > itself.If that happens to be the case we are "on > the > > way to spirtuality". > > Iam somehow of the belief that normal life(by > > location) in which we are "situated" is the > holistic > > part of the universe and a part of it is the > element > > of spirtuality.It is for us to find it and adopt > it > > .if it can be a mindset certainly we are into > > "spirtualism" > > Your other point: > > "you cant attain spirituality at the cost > > of your normal life" > > Again if Iam allowed to say that the possiblity > to > > attain spirtuality is a 'kind of search' by > > itself.The ultimate to noramal life is > > spirtuality(?) > > If the ultimate is spirtuality and the path to > > attain is identified,let all of us put all our > > endowed faculties together to fulfil this supreem > > objective > > The other point you made: > > "Material world and spiritual > > world are like two wings of a bird" > > > > Incase if these(the two worlds named by you) are > > complementary to each other and are the > > resources/faculties gifted to us, let us, > > fly(attempt) "as bird" and experience whether > these > > two worlds coexist are not. > > The point I would like to make is all of our > "inner > > feelings" are spirtual in nature.Somehow there is > > some kind of limitation probably that makes us to > > hide these feelings with in us and seldom we feel > > like expressing to out side world.I would prefer > to > > term this outer/outside world(Life) as > materialistic > > > > Iam sure we are able to realise the ultimate only > > through the mindset.Can we agree this as a > > spirtuality? > > Thanx > > krishnan > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > wrote: > > Dear friend, > > > > What would happen when you realise that there is > the > > same god in everyone else? isnt it tolerance or > > kindness? can tolerance and kindness be seperated? > > > > Am I missing something that you are saying? > > > > To me the only practical aspect of spirituality is > > to > > realise that you cant attain spirituality at the > > cost > > of your normal life ... Material world and > spiritual > > world are like two wings of a bird ... the bird > can > > fly only when both the wings are balanced and in > > synch > > ! > > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Members, > > > What is not practicable and what is for the sake > > of > > > academic interest has been thought of as under: > > > understanding the universal spirit is: > > spirituality, > > > and the outward manifestation of this is > kindness > > > towards all. > > > > > > Is it not that "spirtuality is to serve the > > Humanity > > > without seeking any returns and the thank the > God > > > for giving such noble birth and as such an > > > opportunity". > > > _to respect feelings of others and show > tolearnce > > > towards others > > > _ to realise that purpose of the life is to > > realise > > > things that there are many things which are > > > beyond"Self" and find God in every one. > > > Spirtuality is a feasible practice and is an > > > internal feeling and has to be a mindset. > > > > === message truncated === The all-new My - Get yours free! 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Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Dear Krishnan ji, You are right reaching that pure state is the way to spirituality. Also you mntioned abt a practiceable and lasting approach. We all see that sometimes we see ourself purer than ever... >From where this purity comes wwe do not know...and aftera time it vanishes. but it leaves an imprint on our heart... a new identity of ourselve And our behaviour ,vision changes. this we can say spiritual progress. but generally its very slow . somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that "In his life every Human gets a chance when he feels a little of Brahma through his mind" naturally our other traits,habits,emotions overshadows the urge for spirituality. same way an impulse of anger also creates an imprint on heart.... and gets counted in our identity. I think a practiceable approch to Spirituality is to try to vanish these all negative traits of human nature and let all spiritual qualities get cultivated. Now every one will face a totally different issue in his life. For example practicing truthfulness and honesty may be very easy(i am talking in context of external circumtances) for a person having a life where no such situation arises to test his truthfulness or honesty....on the other hand some other person works in a corrupt office where he has to face it everyday in every matter...and he has to struggle for keeping his honesty/truth. so all is variable. We all are in a kind of bondage due to our very own personal obstructions on the path of purity /spirituality. One has to nurture his spiritual nature in mid of day to day battle of KARMA . Humbly Amit Kumar \, vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > Hello Members, > I find from several posts taht most of the opinions are only hovering around spirtuality but does not find apractiacble and lasting approach. > Recently one of the Group member opined in his post: > :the word spirituality is the process of losing "all mindset" > It looks to me to achieve anything including spirtuality you need an objective and ofcourse an approach initially.otherwise OSHO, a form of spirtuality could not have come out and pracised.I have seen this kind of spirtual approach which ultimately leads to a kind of bliss and find the universe is seamless and filled with joy and happiness.Almost you are floating in a different world of PURITY where nothing of your own is seen.Is this not spirtuality? Is this not a "mindset" to achieve this state. > Further things eveolve in Nature only when you explore and go beyond to find that something is "different" and feel unique.At the beginning you were in state of "ignorance" and in the end of in a state of "enlightenment"This journey or traverse from darkness to to a definete state of purity,happiness and joy is what is spirtuality.How this has been achieved is only through a target and an experential approach. > Iam sure from a stae of "no theory" we have initaited and through along struggle of practice,perfection and nobility has been achieved > So what my friend Shri Suryaji opines finds: > :a theory may be working towards it in ways that we can surely is a > good way to progress !! > It is matter of judgement and spirtuality has to be a kind of approach to be initiated and invented if we have to find the reality or myth. > Iam sure members would judge and enlighten me > krishnan > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Hello, > > I am able to sense the content of your response, > however I am not able to grasp all of what you are > saying .. please pardon me ... > > Mindset you are talking about is related to our > beliefs and biases and which are again grounded in our > experiences and perceptions ... however a mind set is > only necessary to get one started into spirituality > ... In the true sense of the word spirituality is the > process of losing all mindset as I see it .. > > No practical approach is complete without theory > backing it ... theory and practice should always go > hand in hand ... however you are right in that we have > to experiment ... again, experimentation ends once you > after you reach a stage of evolution (or find a guru > you have complete faith in) ... > > I am not sure if i am answering your concerns?? > > My view is that however far fetching a theory may be > .. working towards it in ways that we can surely is a > good way to progress !! > > Thanks for your time! > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > > Hello Suryaji. > > As part of our normal life Almighty has given to us > > many wonders.Again we choose and decide according to > > our mindset and experience the life.For better > > explicability i would consider tolerance(readiness > > to feel)- as we are not in hurry/ anxious to > > identify "something" and kindness as a frame of > > mind needed in the search of spirtuality.Spirtuality > > is a practical approach and an experimental > > approach. > > certainly,a person who gives value and respect to > > others will definetely find the same God in every > > one. > > I therefore feel:. > > Good if we can find the same God in every one as we > > are on the same Mother Earth bestowed by The > > Supreem.In fact it is a Great realisation by > > itself.If that happens to be the case we are "on the > > way to spirtuality". > > Iam somehow of the belief that normal life(by > > location) in which we are "situated" is the holistic > > part of the universe and a part of it is the element > > of spirtuality.It is for us to find it and adopt it > > .if it can be a mindset certainly we are into > > "spirtualism" > > Your other point: > > "you cant attain spirituality at the cost > > of your normal life" > > Again if Iam allowed to say that the possiblity to > > attain spirtuality is a 'kind of search' by > > itself.The ultimate to noramal life is > > spirtuality(?) > > If the ultimate is spirtuality and the path to > > attain is identified,let all of us put all our > > endowed faculties together to fulfil this supreem > > objective > > The other point you made: > > "Material world and spiritual > > world are like two wings of a bird" > > > > Incase if these(the two worlds named by you) are > > complementary to each other and are the > > resources/faculties gifted to us, let us, > > fly(attempt) "as bird" and experience whether these > > two worlds coexist are not. > > The point I would like to make is all of our "inner > > feelings" are spirtual in nature.Somehow there is > > some kind of limitation probably that makes us to > > hide these feelings with in us and seldom we feel > > like expressing to out side world.I would prefer to > > term this outer/outside world(Life) as materialistic > > > > Iam sure we are able to realise the ultimate only > > through the mindset.Can we agree this as a > > spirtuality? > > Thanx > > krishnan > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Dear friend, > > > > What would happen when you realise that there is the > > same god in everyone else? isnt it tolerance or > > kindness? can tolerance and kindness be seperated? > > > > Am I missing something that you are saying? > > > > To me the only practical aspect of spirituality is > > to > > realise that you cant attain spirituality at the > > cost > > of your normal life ... Material world and spiritual > > world are like two wings of a bird ... the bird can > > fly only when both the wings are balanced and in > > synch > > ! > > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Members, > > > What is not practicable and what is for the sake > > of > > > academic interest has been thought of as under: > > > understanding the universal spirit is: > > spirituality, > > > and the outward manifestation of this is kindness > > > towards all. > > > > > > Is it not that "spirtuality is to serve the > > Humanity > > > without seeking any returns and the thank the God > > > for giving such noble birth and as such an > > > opportunity". > > > _to respect feelings of others and show tolearnce > > > towards others > > > _ to realise that purpose of the life is to > > realise > > > things that there are many things which are > > > beyond"Self" and find God in every one. > > > Spirtuality is a feasible practice and is an > > > internal feeling and has to be a mindset. > > > > > > Hope members will be giving their views and ideas > > > which are more practical rather than in terms of > > > language > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> > > wrote: > > > > > > I agree with sreelatha .. there can be no better > > > definition of spirituality that wat you have given > > > .. > > > > > > I personally feel love is the bottomline of all > > > sprituality, and somehow kindness, disciplin, > > > respect > > > for all creation (including self) and firmness to > > > name > > > a few are inseperable from the idea of love ... > > > > > > Spirituality is also to me the ability to involve > > > into > > > pains/joys of the mundane life and simultaneously > > > not > > > lose focus of the bigger picture .. this directly > > or > > > indirectly involves dispassion and non attachment > > > while possessing things of the material world .. > > it > > > is > > > to realise the difference between feelings and > > > emotions ... > > > > > > It is lastly also to delve into the purpose of > > > existance and a willingness to go back to the > > source > > > from where we come from ... > > > > > > > > > --- "V. Sreelatha" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gili, > > > > > > > > Welcome back, it is always a pleasure to read > > your > > > > postings. You > > > > have given such a beautiful definition of > > > > spirituality, what can > > > > anyone else say? You said > > > > > > > > > Once we become aware that each one of us > > > connected > > > > to every other > > > > being... > > > > > and indeed to everything else in the Universe > > it > > > > is hardly > > > > possible not to > > > > > treat all beings with kindness. > > > > > > > > As you said, understanding the universal spirit > > is > > > > spirituality, and > > > > the outward manifestation of this is kindness > > > > towards all. You have > > > > succintly stated what the great masters of every > > > > religion expressed > > > > throughout the ages....... how lovely! Hope the > > > > esteemed members of > > > > this group can add to this thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Sreelatha > > > > > > > > , "Gili > > > Mary" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > I am a 6o year old woman, well educated, well > > > read > > > > and well > > > > travelled yet I > > > > > am unable to be sure of what you all mean when > > > you > > > > use the term > > > > > 'spirituality'. Perhaps you wise ones who use > > > the > > > > word so freely > > > > can define > > > > > it for me. > > > > > I am certain it isn't synonymous with > > 'religion' > > > > because a > > > > spontaneous > > > > > moment of bliss and awareness that I had the > > joy > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile./maildemo > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Mail - You care about security. 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Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Good views Amit, But dont you think getting rid of these imprints is necessary for spiritual progress? --- amit_call <amit_call wrote: > > Dear Krishnan ji, > You are right reaching that pure state is the way to > spirituality. > Also you mntioned abt a practiceable and lasting > approach. > We all see that sometimes we see ourself purer than > ever... > From where this purity comes wwe do not know...and > aftera time it > vanishes. > but it leaves an imprint on our heart... > a new identity of ourselve > And our behaviour ,vision changes. > this we can say spiritual progress. > but generally its very slow . > somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that "In his > life every Human > gets a chance when he feels a little of Brahma > through his mind" > naturally our other traits,habits,emotions > overshadows the urge for > spirituality. > same way an impulse of anger also creates an imprint > on heart.... > and gets counted in our identity. > I think a practiceable approch to Spirituality is to > try to vanish > these all negative traits of human nature and let > all spiritual > qualities get cultivated. > Now every one will face a totally different issue in > his life. > For example practicing truthfulness and honesty may > be very easy(i am > talking in context of external circumtances) for a > person having a > life where no such situation arises to test his > truthfulness or > honesty....on the other hand some other person works > in a corrupt > office where he has to face it everyday in every > matter...and he has > to struggle for keeping his honesty/truth. > so all is variable. > We all are in a kind of bondage due to our very own > personal > obstructions on the path of purity /spirituality. > One has to nurture his spiritual nature in mid of > day to day battle > of KARMA . > Humbly > Amit Kumar > > \, vattem > krishnan > <bursar_99> wrote: > > Hello Members, > > I find from several posts taht most of the > opinions are only > hovering around spirtuality but does not find > apractiacble and > lasting approach. > > Recently one of the Group member opined in his > post: > > :the word spirituality is the process of losing > "all mindset" > > It looks to me to achieve anything including > spirtuality you need > an objective and ofcourse an approach > initially.otherwise OSHO, a > form of spirtuality could not have come out and > pracised.I have seen > this kind of spirtual approach which ultimately > leads to a kind of > bliss and find the universe is seamless and filled > with joy and > happiness.Almost you are floating in a different > world of PURITY > where nothing of your own is seen.Is this not > spirtuality? Is this > not a "mindset" to achieve this state. > > Further things eveolve in Nature only when you > explore and go > beyond to find that something is "different" and > feel unique.At the > beginning you were in state of "ignorance" and in > the end of in a > state of "enlightenment"This journey or traverse > from darkness to to > a definete state of purity,happiness and joy is what > is > spirtuality.How this has been achieved is only > through a target and > an experential approach. > > Iam sure from a stae of "no theory" we have > initaited and through > along struggle of practice,perfection and nobility > has been achieved > > So what my friend Shri Suryaji opines finds: > > :a theory may be working towards it in ways that > we can surely is a > > good way to progress !! > > It is matter of judgement and spirtuality has to > be a kind of > approach to be initiated and invented if we have to > find the reality > or myth. > > Iam sure members would judge and enlighten me > > krishnan > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am able to sense the content of your response, > > however I am not able to grasp all of what you are > > saying .. please pardon me ... > > > > Mindset you are talking about is related to our > > beliefs and biases and which are again grounded in > our > > experiences and perceptions ... however a mind set > is > > only necessary to get one started into > spirituality > > ... In the true sense of the word spirituality is > the > > process of losing all mindset as I see it .. > > > > No practical approach is complete without theory > > backing it ... theory and practice should always > go > > hand in hand ... however you are right in that we > have > > to experiment ... again, experimentation ends once > you > > after you reach a stage of evolution (or find a > guru > > you have complete faith in) ... > > > > I am not sure if i am answering your concerns?? > > > > My view is that however far fetching a theory may > be > > .. working towards it in ways that we can surely > is a > > good way to progress !! > > > > Thanks for your time! > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > Hello Suryaji. > > > As part of our normal life Almighty has given to > us > > > many wonders.Again we choose and decide > according to > > > our mindset and experience the life.For better > > > explicability i would consider > tolerance(readiness > > > to feel)- as we are not in hurry/ anxious to > > > identify "something" and kindness as a frame of > > > mind needed in the search of > spirtuality.Spirtuality > > > is a practical approach and an experimental > > > approach. > > > certainly,a person who gives value and respect > to > > > others will definetely find the same God in > every > > > one. > > > I therefore feel:. > > > Good if we can find the same God in every one > as we > > > are on the same Mother Earth bestowed by The > > > Supreem.In fact it is a Great realisation by > > > itself.If that happens to be the case we are "on > the > > > way to spirtuality". > > > Iam somehow of the belief that normal life(by > > > location) in which we are "situated" is the > holistic > > > part of the universe and a part of it is the > element > > > of spirtuality.It is for us to find it and adopt > it > > > .if it can be a mindset certainly we are into > > > "spirtualism" > > > Your other point: > > > "you cant attain spirituality at the cost > > > of your normal life" > > > Again if Iam allowed to say that the possiblity > to > > > attain spirtuality is a 'kind of search' by > > > itself.The ultimate to noramal life is > > > spirtuality(?) > > > If the ultimate is spirtuality and the path to > > > attain is identified,let all of us put all our > > > endowed faculties together to fulfil this > supreem > === message truncated === Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. 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Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Hello Suryaji, Nice that you have provided me an opportunity really to delve in to the spirtuality right from the point of it's objective to it's discovery if not invention..I prefer to address each one of the issue and do some justice and to start it let me initiate with: what is the objective as you see it Objective of spirtuality is to see that the world around has little or no influence on you as are really on the path to existential feelings where you find nothing about yourself but the needy and aggrieved and make them happy and joyful so that their ordeals are minimised/lessened and able to go with the society around which they live in a positive way. Certainly,you r right when you say: begining there was total purity Even later the state of purity is eternal and do not vanish but remains with the person internal but waiting for the moments of reality and expressions. Absolutely,the relm of thought you have mentioned is nothing but for me mindset.A kind of preparedness to achieve what you really wish and want to cherish.So when you say: dosent it often (important word here)start from the relm of thought? Also: no onecan deny experiences/spiritual highs once you r in a spirtual state of mind, the differences become invisible except a vast and seamless state of purity and able to see beyond problems/hurdles.one remains in an unaffected state. One's reality externally might be different from internal as long as one realises the importance is more in respect of internal that matters than what we are able to experience externally.keeping the spirit of enlightement in mind,it doen not really matter: and experience alone should guide ones reality Probably this is where I would like to hold the view that mindset is the objective as well as goal to have the bliss of spirtuality.So my contention is that we have a frame of mind to find the spirtuality but not: Mindset itself,however, is not experience but a result of experience. May be you r right if you prefer to be known as dicovery rather than invention: isnt it a process of journey through discover rather than invention? How is that with so much of background, litterature and further analysis of the subject we do not really intend to think the objective as moksha.Possible that the end result is Moksha(is it to be free from all kinds of botherations? Certainly it is not: higher aims ofspirituality is to attain "moksha" I would like to substitute the darkness as purity and the journey is also to regain the same state and continue to remail unadulterated both internally and externally.External influence(due to normal life) will not have any impact internally in the objectives.so it is not proper that commencement is from darkness: why should just thejourney from darkness to light be spirituality? Dear Friend, Iam by nature assertive and if I have also given the reflection Iam extreemmly sorry and with draw all assertions.otherwise kindly understand only in that mode.Not as in any other way>iam really sorry about such impressions created in my mail: unnecessarily assertive Some times in our discussions in the group we reflect something negative when we really share our views>but certaily in this platform we r not really speaking as persons involved Thanks veru much for giving time and also listening to me Krishnan surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: Dear Krishnan, Firstly I apologize if I sounded agressive or unnecessarily assertive in waht I have written since I sense some agitation in your mail. If this is an undue concern that I am raising then I would be happy if you skipped this para while you read the mail. Coming to the core issue, the mindset of an african shaman might be totally different from the mindset of an Indian sadhu (or osho for that matter). Yet no one can deny experiences/spiritual highs of either a Indian sadhu or an african shaman. Both have their limitations and advantages and neither path can be denied. However, assuming that one of the higher aims of spirituality is to attain "moksha" which of these two mindsets is a good way? who is to judge? Again, if god is supposed to be beyond comprehension of the mind, then what mindset would allow you to fathom him? wont merging in him then need you to leave your mindsets behind? shouldnt both shaman and sadhu leave their mindsets behind and become one with him without differences? That was the point from which I was talking about. This is not to deny that a mindset is not necessary to make spiritual progress. higher aims of spirituality is to attain "moksha" . It is something like saying when you are making a journey by plane, your first flight might take you only to an intdermediate destination after which you have to board a different flight. It is also to say that if you dont catch the first flight, then you probably can never reach your destination. Just like "reaching your" destination (objective in yoru words) holds no meaning once you reach your destination, the flights you have caught are only a means to your ends of reaching the destination rather than the destination in themselves. All I am trying to say is use your mindsets, but also be willing to discard them when they have outlived their usefulness. Also to me mindset is of no use unless it translates into experience. Mindset itself however is not experience but a result of experience. For example, teaching a school kid of universal brother hood right from his childhood creates a mindset of wanting to treat everyone as his own. This might or might not however show in his day to day behaviour. However, a person might in a moment of discovery realise that all people in the world are like his family irrespective of his mindset before that moment of discovery this again might or might not become his mindset afterwards ... Why do you suppose that at the beginning we were in state of ignorance? If you ask me I would want to believe that at the begining there was total purity, which then got corrupted midway and then again progresses towards purity, however with a greater level of awareness .... much like a new born growing into brash arrogant youth into a childlike old age with greater awareness than when he was born ... in which case why should just the journey from darkness to light be spirituality? why shun darkness when even darkness is a part of god? Isnt Mother Kali called the eternal night? I agree there should be experience, and experience alone should guide ones reality (again this is hugely subjective), but where does the need to experience start from? dosent it often (important word here) start from the relm of thought? What about spirituality can you hope to invent that has not been invented or experienced before? isnt it a process of journey through discover rather than invention? In any case, what is the objective as you see it? I am now curious to know? --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > Hello Members, > I find from several posts taht most of the opinions > are only hovering around spirtuality but does not > find apractiacble and lasting approach. > Recently one of the Group member opined in his post: > :the word spirituality is the process of losing "all > mindset" > It looks to me to achieve anything including > spirtuality you need an objective and ofcourse an > approach initially.otherwise OSHO, a form of > spirtuality could not have come out and pracised.I > have seen this kind of spirtual approach which > ultimately leads to a kind of bliss and find the > universe is seamless and filled with joy and > happiness.Almost you are floating in a different > world of PURITY where nothing of your own is seen.Is > this not spirtuality? Is this not a "mindset" to > achieve this state. > Further things eveolve in Nature only when you > explore and go beyond to find that something is > "different" and feel unique.At the beginning you > were in state of "ignorance" and in the end of in a > state of "enlightenment"This journey or traverse > from darkness to to a definete state of > purity,happiness and joy is what is spirtuality.How > this has been achieved is only through a target and > an experential approach. > Iam sure from a stae of "no theory" we have > initaited and through along struggle of > practice,perfection and nobility has been achieved > So what my friend Shri Suryaji opines finds: > :a theory may be working towards it in ways that we > can surely is a > good way to progress !! > It is matter of judgement and spirtuality has to be > a kind of approach to be initiated and invented if > we have to find the reality or myth. > Iam sure members would judge and enlighten me > krishnan > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: > Hello, > > I am able to sense the content of your response, > however I am not able to grasp all of what you are > saying .. please pardon me ... > > Mindset you are talking about is related to our > beliefs and biases and which are again grounded in > our > experiences and perceptions ... however a mind set > is > only necessary to get one started into spirituality > ... In the true sense of the word spirituality is > the > process of losing all mindset as I see it .. > > No practical approach is complete without theory > backing it ... theory and practice should always go > hand in hand ... however you are right in that we > have > to experiment ... again, experimentation ends once > you > after you reach a stage of evolution (or find a guru > you have complete faith in) ... > > I am not sure if i am answering your concerns?? > > My view is that however far fetching a theory may be > .. working towards it in ways that we can surely is > a > good way to progress !! > > Thanks for your time! > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > > Hello Suryaji. > > As part of our normal life Almighty has given to > us > > many wonders.Again we choose and decide according > to > > our mindset and experience the life.For better > > explicability i would consider tolerance(readiness > > to feel)- as we are not in hurry/ anxious to > > identify "something" and kindness as a frame of > > mind needed in the search of > spirtuality.Spirtuality > > is a practical approach and an experimental > > approach. > > certainly,a person who gives value and respect to > > others will definetely find the same God in every > > one. > > I therefore feel:. > > Good if we can find the same God in every one as > we > > are on the same Mother Earth bestowed by The > > Supreem.In fact it is a Great realisation by > > itself.If that happens to be the case we are "on > the > > way to spirtuality". > > Iam somehow of the belief that normal life(by > > location) in which we are "situated" is the > holistic > > part of the universe and a part of it is the > element > > of spirtuality.It is for us to find it and adopt > it > > .if it can be a mindset certainly we are into > > "spirtualism" > > Your other point: > > "you cant attain spirituality at the cost > > of your normal life" > > Again if Iam allowed to say that the possiblity > to > > attain spirtuality is a 'kind of search' by > > itself.The ultimate to noramal life is > > spirtuality(?) > > If the ultimate is spirtuality and the path to > > attain is identified,let all of us put all our > > endowed faculties together to fulfil this supreem > > objective > > The other point you made: > > "Material world and spiritual > > world are like two wings of a bird" > > > > Incase if these(the two worlds named by you) are > > complementary to each other and are the > > resources/faculties gifted to us, let us, > > fly(attempt) "as bird" and experience whether > these > > two worlds coexist are not. > > The point I would like to make is all of our > "inner > > feelings" are spirtual in nature.Somehow there is > > some kind of limitation probably that makes us to > > hide these feelings with in us and seldom we feel > > like expressing to out side world.I would prefer > to > > term this outer/outside world(Life) as > materialistic > > > > Iam sure we are able to realise the ultimate only > > through the mindset.Can we agree this as a > > spirtuality? > > Thanx > > krishnan > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > wrote: > > Dear friend, > > > > What would happen when you realise that there is > the > > same god in everyone else? isnt it tolerance or > > kindness? can tolerance and kindness be seperated? > > > > Am I missing something that you are saying? > > > > To me the only practical aspect of spirituality is > > to > > realise that you cant attain spirituality at the > > cost > > of your normal life ... Material world and > spiritual > > world are like two wings of a bird ... the bird > can > > fly only when both the wings are balanced and in > > synch > > ! > > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Members, > > > What is not practicable and what is for the sake > > of > > > academic interest has been thought of as under: > > > understanding the universal spirit is: > > spirituality, > > > and the outward manifestation of this is > kindness > > > towards all. > > > > > > Is it not that "spirtuality is to serve the > > Humanity > > > without seeking any returns and the thank the > God > > > for giving such noble birth and as such an > > > opportunity". > > > _to respect feelings of others and show > tolearnce > > > towards others > > > _ to realise that purpose of the life is to > > realise > > > things that there are many things which are > > > beyond"Self" and find God in every one. > > > Spirtuality is a feasible practice and is an > > > internal feeling and has to be a mindset. > > > > === message truncated === The all-new My - Get yours free! ~! 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Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Dear Shri Amitji, We have certainly accepted "the form"(along with the location assigned) given to us by the Almighty.Internally we have a conscious which is certainly not the same as we represent.Ofcourse as long as we think our tie up with the environment and society we are left with no option except to be concerned with our senese perceive and convey.We also realise yet times that this is not we are expecting to experience to get dejected and frustated. Then we have some other urge in our sublime conscious waiting to express and encouraging us to keep away from these external entities and making us resigned to the karma and making us to get adjusted to the on going events. Yet the struggle around and some gains out of this will not deter us away from the objective of attaining spirtuality.In this context certainly what you have aptly said: naturally our other traits,habits,emotions overshadows the urge for spirituality. These emotions as part of our existence can not be considered as different as our existence is also bound by the people around and most important the factor of of time always makes us to go for chase of many more making us tired and frustated.We certainly bring out frustation: same way an impulse of anger also creates an imprint on heart.... and gets counted in our identity. Yet our objective how ever weak it becomes and feels run down,the Supreem and the inner feelings certainly comes to rescue and keep a hope for that day when we realise through other face that we are in a totally different world of alleviating the hard feelings and making them positive and giving the the hope the Life as given is certainly a boon. Hope we get tuned to: I think a practiceable approch to Spirituality is to try to vanish these all negative traits of human nature and let all spiritual qualities get cultivated. A Hope to fulfil and realise our objective to be able to live in a seamless world where what you experience is joy and see joy in other's eyes Thanks for your time and enlightening me further regards krishnan surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: Good views Amit, But dont you think getting rid of these imprints is necessary for spiritual progress? --- amit_call <amit_call wrote: > > Dear Krishnan ji, > You are right reaching that pure state is the way to > spirituality. > Also you mntioned abt a practiceable and lasting > approach. > We all see that sometimes we see ourself purer than > ever... > From where this purity comes wwe do not know...and > aftera time it > vanishes. > but it leaves an imprint on our heart... > a new identity of ourselve > And our behaviour ,vision changes. > this we can say spiritual progress. > but generally its very slow . > somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that "In his > life every Human > gets a chance when he feels a little of Brahma > through his mind" > naturally our other traits,habits,emotions > overshadows the urge for > spirituality. > same way an impulse of anger also creates an imprint > on heart.... > and gets counted in our identity. > I think a practiceable approch to Spirituality is to > try to vanish > these all negative traits of human nature and let > all spiritual > qualities get cultivated. > Now every one will face a totally different issue in > his life. > For example practicing truthfulness and honesty may > be very easy(i am > talking in context of external circumtances) for a > person having a > life where no such situation arises to test his > truthfulness or > honesty....on the other hand some other person works > in a corrupt > office where he has to face it everyday in every > matter...and he has > to struggle for keeping his honesty/truth. > so all is variable. > We all are in a kind of bondage due to our very own > personal > obstructions on the path of purity /spirituality. > One has to nurture his spiritual nature in mid of > day to day battle > of KARMA . > Humbly > Amit Kumar > > \, vattem > krishnan > <bursar_99> wrote: > > Hello Members, > > I find from several posts taht most of the > opinions are only > hovering around spirtuality but does not find > apractiacble and > lasting approach. > > Recently one of the Group member opined in his > post: > > :the word spirituality is the process of losing > "all mindset" > > It looks to me to achieve anything including > spirtuality you need > an objective and ofcourse an approach > initially.otherwise OSHO, a > form of spirtuality could not have come out and > pracised.I have seen > this kind of spirtual approach which ultimately > leads to a kind of > bliss and find the universe is seamless and filled > with joy and > happiness.Almost you are floating in a different > world of PURITY > where nothing of your own is seen.Is this not > spirtuality? Is this > not a "mindset" to achieve this state. > > Further things eveolve in Nature only when you > explore and go > beyond to find that something is "different" and > feel unique.At the > beginning you were in state of "ignorance" and in > the end of in a > state of "enlightenment"This journey or traverse > from darkness to to > a definete state of purity,happiness and joy is what > is > spirtuality.How this has been achieved is only > through a target and > an experential approach. > > Iam sure from a stae of "no theory" we have > initaited and through > along struggle of practice,perfection and nobility > has been achieved > > So what my friend Shri Suryaji opines finds: > > :a theory may be working towards it in ways that > we can surely is a > > good way to progress !! > > It is matter of judgement and spirtuality has to > be a kind of > approach to be initiated and invented if we have to > find the reality > or myth. > > Iam sure members would judge and enlighten me > > krishnan > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am able to sense the content of your response, > > however I am not able to grasp all of what you are > > saying .. please pardon me ... > > > > Mindset you are talking about is related to our > > beliefs and biases and which are again grounded in > our > > experiences and perceptions ... however a mind set > is > > only necessary to get one started into > spirituality > > ... In the true sense of the word spirituality is > the > > process of losing all mindset as I see it .. > > > > No practical approach is complete without theory > > backing it ... theory and practice should always > go > > hand in hand ... however you are right in that we > have > > to experiment ... again, experimentation ends once > you > > after you reach a stage of evolution (or find a > guru > > you have complete faith in) ... > > > > I am not sure if i am answering your concerns?? > > > > My view is that however far fetching a theory may > be > > .. working towards it in ways that we can surely > is a > > good way to progress !! > > > > Thanks for your time! > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > Hello Suryaji. > > > As part of our normal life Almighty has given to > us > > > many wonders.Again we choose and decide > according to > > > our mindset and experience the life.For better > > > explicability i would consider > tolerance(readiness > > > to feel)- as we are not in hurry/ anxious to > > > identify "something" and kindness as a frame of > > > mind needed in the search of > spirtuality.Spirtuality > > > is a practical approach and an experimental > > > approach. > > > certainly,a person who gives value and respect > to > > > others will definetely find the same God in > every > > > one. > > > I therefore feel:. > > > Good if we can find the same God in every one > as we > > > are on the same Mother Earth bestowed by The > > > Supreem.In fact it is a Great realisation by > > > itself.If that happens to be the case we are "on > the > > > way to spirtuality". > > > Iam somehow of the belief that normal life(by > > > location) in which we are "situated" is the > holistic > > > part of the universe and a part of it is the > element > > > of spirtuality.It is for us to find it and adopt > it > > > .if it can be a mindset certainly we are into > > > "spirtualism" > > > Your other point: > > > "you cant attain spirituality at the cost > > > of your normal life" > > > Again if Iam allowed to say that the possiblity > to > > > attain spirtuality is a 'kind of search' by > > > itself.The ultimate to noramal life is > > > spirtuality(?) > > > If the ultimate is spirtuality and the path to > > > attain is identified,let all of us put all our > > > endowed faculties together to fulfil this > supreem > === message truncated === Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. 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Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Amitji, Thanx for the post.Some where let us say we get in to those felings,live with them and keep remembering them everyday.let that mind set be ultimate to lookforward to: a new identity of ourselve And our behaviour ,vision changes. this we can say spiritual progress. but generally its very slow . somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that "In his life every Human gets a chance when he feels a little of Brahma through his mind" If we atleast think of track and idetify the start, winning or loosinng is no maatter.Even if it is slow and remains unfulfilled,let's not feel we have become redundant.let the glow of spirtuality remain inside our conscious but not contribute to put off this eternal glow. regards krishnan . amit_call <amit_call wrote: Dear Krishnan ji, You are right reaching that pure state is the way to spirituality. Also you mntioned abt a practiceable and lasting approach. We all see that sometimes we see ourself purer than ever... >From where this purity comes wwe do not know...and aftera time it vanishes. but it leaves an imprint on our heart... a new identity of ourselve And our behaviour ,vision changes. this we can say spiritual progress. but generally its very slow . somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that "In his life every Human gets a chance when he feels a little of Brahma through his mind" naturally our other traits,habits,emotions overshadows the urge for spirituality. same way an impulse of anger also creates an imprint on heart.... and gets counted in our identity. I think a practiceable approch to Spirituality is to try to vanish these all negative traits of human nature and let all spiritual qualities get cultivated. Now every one will face a totally different issue in his life. For example practicing truthfulness and honesty may be very easy(i am talking in context of external circumtances) for a person having a life where no such situation arises to test his truthfulness or honesty....on the other hand some other person works in a corrupt office where he has to face it everyday in every matter...and he has to struggle for keeping his honesty/truth. so all is variable. We all are in a kind of bondage due to our very own personal obstructions on the path of purity /spirituality. One has to nurture his spiritual nature in mid of day to day battle of KARMA . Humbly Amit Kumar \, vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > Hello Members, > I find from several posts taht most of the opinions are only hovering around spirtuality but does not find apractiacble and lasting approach. > Recently one of the Group member opined in his post: > :the word spirituality is the process of losing "all mindset" > It looks to me to achieve anything including spirtuality you need an objective and ofcourse an approach initially.otherwise OSHO, a form of spirtuality could not have come out and pracised.I have seen this kind of spirtual approach which ultimately leads to a kind of bliss and find the universe is seamless and filled with joy and happiness.Almost you are floating in a different world of PURITY where nothing of your own is seen.Is this not spirtuality? Is this not a "mindset" to achieve this state. > Further things eveolve in Nature only when you explore and go beyond to find that something is "different" and feel unique.At the beginning you were in state of "ignorance" and in the end of in a state of "enlightenment"This journey or traverse from darkness to to a definete state of purity,happiness and joy is what is spirtuality.How this has been achieved is only through a target and an experential approach. > Iam sure from a stae of "no theory" we have initaited and through along struggle of practice,perfection and nobility has been achieved > So what my friend Shri Suryaji opines finds: > :a theory may be working towards it in ways that we can surely is a > good way to progress !! > It is matter of judgement and spirtuality has to be a kind of approach to be initiated and invented if we have to find the reality or myth. > Iam sure members would judge and enlighten me > krishnan > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Hello, > > I am able to sense the content of your response, > however I am not able to grasp all of what you are > saying .. please pardon me ... > > Mindset you are talking about is related to our > beliefs and biases and which are again grounded in our > experiences and perceptions ... however a mind set is > only necessary to get one started into spirituality > ... In the true sense of the word spirituality is the > process of losing all mindset as I see it .. > > No practical approach is complete without theory > backing it ... theory and practice should always go > hand in hand ... however you are right in that we have > to experiment ... again, experimentation ends once you > after you reach a stage of evolution (or find a guru > you have complete faith in) ... > > I am not sure if i am answering your concerns?? > > My view is that however far fetching a theory may be > .. working towards it in ways that we can surely is a > good way to progress !! > > Thanks for your time! > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > > Hello Suryaji. > > As part of our normal life Almighty has given to us > > many wonders.Again we choose and decide according to > > our mindset and experience the life.For better > > explicability i would consider tolerance(readiness > > to feel)- as we are not in hurry/ anxious to > > identify "something" and kindness as a frame of > > mind needed in the search of spirtuality.Spirtuality > > is a practical approach and an experimental > > approach. > > certainly,a person who gives value and respect to > > others will definetely find the same God in every > > one. > > I therefore feel:. > > Good if we can find the same God in every one as we > > are on the same Mother Earth bestowed by The > > Supreem.In fact it is a Great realisation by > > itself.If that happens to be the case we are "on the > > way to spirtuality". > > Iam somehow of the belief that normal life(by > > location) in which we are "situated" is the holistic > > part of the universe and a part of it is the element > > of spirtuality.It is for us to find it and adopt it > > .if it can be a mindset certainly we are into > > "spirtualism" > > Your other point: > > "you cant attain spirituality at the cost > > of your normal life" > > Again if Iam allowed to say that the possiblity to > > attain spirtuality is a 'kind of search' by > > itself.The ultimate to noramal life is > > spirtuality(?) > > If the ultimate is spirtuality and the path to > > attain is identified,let all of us put all our > > endowed faculties together to fulfil this supreem > > objective > > The other point you made: > > "Material world and spiritual > > world are like two wings of a bird" > > > > Incase if these(the two worlds named by you) are > > complementary to each other and are the > > resources/faculties gifted to us, let us, > > fly(attempt) "as bird" and experience whether these > > two worlds coexist are not. > > The point I would like to make is all of our "inner > > feelings" are spirtual in nature.Somehow there is > > some kind of limitation probably that makes us to > > hide these feelings with in us and seldom we feel > > like expressing to out side world.I would prefer to > > term this outer/outside world(Life) as materialistic > > > > Iam sure we are able to realise the ultimate only > > through the mindset.Can we agree this as a > > spirtuality? > > Thanx > > krishnan > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Dear friend, > > > > What would happen when you realise that there is the > > same god in everyone else? isnt it tolerance or > > kindness? can tolerance and kindness be seperated? > > > > Am I missing something that you are saying? > > > > To me the only practical aspect of spirituality is > > to > > realise that you cant attain spirituality at the > > cost > > of your normal life ... Material world and spiritual > > world are like two wings of a bird ... the bird can > > fly only when both the wings are balanced and in > > synch > > ! > > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Members, > > > What is not practicable and what is for the sake > > of > > > academic interest has been thought of as under: > > > understanding the universal spirit is: > > spirituality, > > > and the outward manifestation of this is kindness > > > towards all. > > > > > > Is it not that "spirtuality is to serve the > > Humanity > > > without seeking any returns and the thank the God > > > for giving such noble birth and as such an > > > opportunity". > > > _to respect feelings of others and show tolearnce > > > towards others > > > _ to realise that purpose of the life is to > > realise > > > things that there are many things which are > > > beyond"Self" and find God in every one. > > > Spirtuality is a feasible practice and is an > > > internal feeling and has to be a mindset. > > > > > > Hope members will be giving their views and ideas > > > which are more practical rather than in terms of > > > language > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> > > wrote: > > > > > > I agree with sreelatha .. there can be no better > > > definition of spirituality that wat you have given > > > .. > > > > > > I personally feel love is the bottomline of all > > > sprituality, and somehow kindness, disciplin, > > > respect > > > for all creation (including self) and firmness to > > > name > > > a few are inseperable from the idea of love ... > > > > > > Spirituality is also to me the ability to involve > > > into > > > pains/joys of the mundane life and simultaneously > > > not > > > lose focus of the bigger picture .. this directly > > or > > > indirectly involves dispassion and non attachment > > > while possessing things of the material world .. > > it > > > is > > > to realise the difference between feelings and > > > emotions ... > > > > > > It is lastly also to delve into the purpose of > > > existance and a willingness to go back to the > > source > > > from where we come from ... > > > > > > > > > --- "V. Sreelatha" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gili, > > > > > > > > Welcome back, it is always a pleasure to read > > your > > > > postings. You > > > > have given such a beautiful definition of > > > > spirituality, what can > > > > anyone else say? You said > > > > > > > > > Once we become aware that each one of us > > > connected > > > > to every other > > > > being... > > > > > and indeed to everything else in the Universe > > it > > > > is hardly > > > > possible not to > > > > > treat all beings with kindness. > > > > > > > > As you said, understanding the universal spirit > > is > > > > spirituality, and > > > > the outward manifestation of this is kindness > > > > towards all. You have > > > > succintly stated what the great masters of every > > > > religion expressed > > > > throughout the ages....... how lovely! 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Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Ji Krishnan ji, As you said: we atleast think of track and idetify the start, winning or loosinng is no maatter.Even if it is slow and remains unfulfilled,let's not feel we have become redundant.let the glow of spirtuality remain inside our conscious but not contribute to put off this eternal glow. This approach what you expressed in above lines is the essence of rael life.I am in rapture reading this....."winning or loosinng is no maatter." If we think of track and aspire of spiritual growth......then like One learned person said to me: Adhyatmik Jeevan mein Din Dooni Raat Chauguni growth hoti hai.(In Spiritual life the growth is multiplied everyday) Also after long i realized spiritual progress is not just being morally good,doing good......the actual purpose is to establish a connection with DIVINE. Humbly Amit Kumar , vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > Amitji, > Thanx for the post.Some where let us say we get in to those felings,live with them and keep remembering them everyday.let that mind set be ultimate to lookforward to: > a new identity of ourselve > And our behaviour ,vision changes. > this we can say spiritual progress. > but generally its very slow . > somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that "In his life every Human > gets a chance when he feels a little of Brahma through his mind" > If we atleast think of track and idetify the start, winning or loosinng is no maatter.Even if it is slow and remains unfulfilled,let's not feel we have become redundant.let the glow of spirtuality remain inside our conscious but not contribute to put off this eternal glow. > regards > krishnan . > > > amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > Dear Krishnan ji, > You are right reaching that pure state is the way to spirituality. > Also you mntioned abt a practiceable and lasting approach. > We all see that sometimes we see ourself purer than ever... > From where this purity comes wwe do not know...and aftera time it > vanishes. > but it leaves an imprint on our heart... > a new identity of ourselve > And our behaviour ,vision changes. > this we can say spiritual progress. > but generally its very slow . > somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that "In his life every Human > gets a chance when he feels a little of Brahma through his mind" > naturally our other traits,habits,emotions overshadows the urge for > spirituality. > same way an impulse of anger also creates an imprint on heart.... > and gets counted in our identity. > I think a practiceable approch to Spirituality is to try to vanish > these all negative traits of human nature and let all spiritual > qualities get cultivated. > Now every one will face a totally different issue in his life. > For example practicing truthfulness and honesty may be very easy(i am > talking in context of external circumtances) for a person having a > life where no such situation arises to test his truthfulness or > honesty....on the other hand some other person works in a corrupt > office where he has to face it everyday in every matter...and he has > to struggle for keeping his honesty/truth. > so all is variable. > We all are in a kind of bondage due to our very own personal > obstructions on the path of purity /spirituality. > One has to nurture his spiritual nature in mid of day to day battle > of KARMA . > Humbly > Amit Kumar > > \, vattem krishnan > <bursar_99> wrote: > > Hello Members, > > I find from several posts taht most of the opinions are only > hovering around spirtuality but does not find apractiacble and > lasting approach. > > Recently one of the Group member opined in his post: > > :the word spirituality is the process of losing "all mindset" > > It looks to me to achieve anything including spirtuality you need > an objective and ofcourse an approach initially.otherwise OSHO, a > form of spirtuality could not have come out and pracised.I have seen > this kind of spirtual approach which ultimately leads to a kind of > bliss and find the universe is seamless and filled with joy and > happiness.Almost you are floating in a different world of PURITY > where nothing of your own is seen.Is this not spirtuality? Is this > not a "mindset" to achieve this state. > > Further things eveolve in Nature only when you explore and go > beyond to find that something is "different" and feel unique.At the > beginning you were in state of "ignorance" and in the end of in a > state of "enlightenment"This journey or traverse from darkness to to > a definete state of purity,happiness and joy is what is > spirtuality.How this has been achieved is only through a target and > an experential approach. > > Iam sure from a stae of "no theory" we have initaited and through > along struggle of practice,perfection and nobility has been achieved > > So what my friend Shri Suryaji opines finds: > > :a theory may be working towards it in ways that we can surely is a > > good way to progress !! > > It is matter of judgement and spirtuality has to be a kind of > approach to be initiated and invented if we have to find the reality > or myth. > > Iam sure members would judge and enlighten me > > krishnan > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am able to sense the content of your response, > > however I am not able to grasp all of what you are > > saying .. please pardon me ... > > > > Mindset you are talking about is related to our > > beliefs and biases and which are again grounded in our > > experiences and perceptions ... however a mind set is > > only necessary to get one started into spirituality > > ... In the true sense of the word spirituality is the > > process of losing all mindset as I see it .. > > > > No practical approach is complete without theory > > backing it ... theory and practice should always go > > hand in hand ... however you are right in that we have > > to experiment ... again, experimentation ends once you > > after you reach a stage of evolution (or find a guru > > you have complete faith in) ... > > > > I am not sure if i am answering your concerns?? > > > > My view is that however far fetching a theory may be > > .. working towards it in ways that we can surely is a > > good way to progress !! > > > > Thanks for your time! > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > Hello Suryaji. > > > As part of our normal life Almighty has given to us > > > many wonders.Again we choose and decide according to > > > our mindset and experience the life.For better > > > explicability i would consider tolerance(readiness > > > to feel)- as we are not in hurry/ anxious to > > > identify "something" and kindness as a frame of > > > mind needed in the search of spirtuality.Spirtuality > > > is a practical approach and an experimental > > > approach. > > > certainly,a person who gives value and respect to > > > others will definetely find the same God in every > > > one. > > > I therefore feel:. > > > Good if we can find the same God in every one as we > > > are on the same Mother Earth bestowed by The > > > Supreem.In fact it is a Great realisation by > > > itself.If that happens to be the case we are "on the > > > way to spirtuality". > > > Iam somehow of the belief that normal life(by > > > location) in which we are "situated" is the holistic > > > part of the universe and a part of it is the element > > > of spirtuality.It is for us to find it and adopt it > > > .if it can be a mindset certainly we are into > > > "spirtualism" > > > Your other point: > > > "you cant attain spirituality at the cost > > > of your normal life" > > > Again if Iam allowed to say that the possiblity to > > > attain spirtuality is a 'kind of search' by > > > itself.The ultimate to noramal life is > > > spirtuality(?) > > > If the ultimate is spirtuality and the path to > > > attain is identified,let all of us put all our > > > endowed faculties together to fulfil this supreem > > > objective > > > The other point you made: > > > "Material world and spiritual > > > world are like two wings of a bird" > > > > > > Incase if these(the two worlds named by you) are > > > complementary to each other and are the > > > resources/faculties gifted to us, let us, > > > fly(attempt) "as bird" and experience whether these > > > two worlds coexist are not. > > > The point I would like to make is all of our "inner > > > feelings" are spirtual in nature.Somehow there is > > > some kind of limitation probably that makes us to > > > hide these feelings with in us and seldom we feel > > > like expressing to out side world.I would prefer to > > > term this outer/outside world(Life) as materialistic > > > > > > Iam sure we are able to realise the ultimate only > > > through the mindset.Can we agree this as a > > > spirtuality? > > > Thanx > > > krishnan > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > What would happen when you realise that there is the > > > same god in everyone else? isnt it tolerance or > > > kindness? can tolerance and kindness be seperated? > > > > > > Am I missing something that you are saying? > > > > > > To me the only practical aspect of spirituality is > > > to > > > realise that you cant attain spirituality at the > > > cost > > > of your normal life ... Material world and spiritual > > > world are like two wings of a bird ... the bird can > > > fly only when both the wings are balanced and in > > > synch > > > ! > > > > > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Members, > > > > What is not practicable and what is for the sake > > > of > > > > academic interest has been thought of as under: > > > > understanding the universal spirit is: > > > spirituality, > > > > and the outward manifestation of this is kindness > > > > towards all. > > > > > > > > Is it not that "spirtuality is to serve the > > > Humanity > > > > without seeking any returns and the thank the God > > > > for giving such noble birth and as such an > > > > opportunity". > > > > _to respect feelings of others and show tolearnce > > > > towards others > > > > _ to realise that purpose of the life is to > > > realise > > > > things that there are many things which are > > > > beyond"Self" and find God in every one. > > > > Spirtuality is a feasible practice and is an > > > > internal feeling and has to be a mindset. > > > > > > > > Hope members will be giving their views and ideas > > > > which are more practical rather than in terms of > > > > language > > > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree with sreelatha .. there can be no better > > > > definition of spirituality that wat you have given > > > > .. > > > > > > > > I personally feel love is the bottomline of all > > > > sprituality, and somehow kindness, disciplin, > > > > respect > > > > for all creation (including self) and firmness to > > > > name > > > > a few are inseperable from the idea of love ... > > > > > > > > Spirituality is also to me the ability to involve > > > > into > > > > pains/joys of the mundane life and simultaneously > > > > not > > > > lose focus of the bigger picture .. this directly > > > or > > > > indirectly involves dispassion and non attachment > > > > while possessing things of the material world .. > > > it > > > > is > > > > to realise the difference between feelings and > > > > emotions ... > > > > > > > > It is lastly also to delve into the purpose of > > > > existance and a willingness to go back to the > > > source > > > > from where we come from ... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "V. Sreelatha" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gili, > > > > > > > > > > Welcome back, it is always a pleasure to read > > > your > > > > > postings. You > > > > > have given such a beautiful definition of > > > > > spirituality, what can > > > > > anyone else say? You said > > > > > > > > > > > Once we become aware that each one of us > > > > connected > > > > > to every other > > > > > being... > > > > > > and indeed to everything else in the Universe > > > it > > > > > is hardly > > > > > possible not to > > > > > > treat all beings with kindness. > > > > > > > > > > As you said, understanding the universal spirit > > > is > > > > > spirituality, and > > > > > the outward manifestation of this is kindness > > > > > towards all. You have > > > > > succintly stated what the great masters of every > > > > > religion expressed > > > > > throughout the ages....... how lovely! Hope the > > > > > esteemed members of > > > > > this group can add to this thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > Sreelatha > > > > > > > > > > , "Gili > > > > Mary" > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > I am a 6o year old woman, well educated, well > > > > read > > > > > and well > > > > > travelled yet I > > > > > > am unable to be sure of what you all mean when > > > > you > > > > > use the term > > > > > > 'spirituality'. Perhaps you wise ones who use > > > > the > > > > > word so freely > > > > > can define > > > > > > it for me. > > > > > > I am certain it isn't synonymous with > > > 'religion' > > > > > because a > > > > > spontaneous > > > > > > moment of bliss and awareness that I had the > > > joy > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > > http://mobile./maildemo > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 Ji Amitji, I am really elated with the kind of rounding you have made on the issue as under.i hope our learned members will get the spirit as we get in to another yet and make the real progress.I mean spirtually: ''Adhyatmik Jeevan mein Din Dooni Raat Chauguni growth hoti hai''.(In Spiritual life the growth is multiplied aap ko aap ka parivar ko Naya saal ka Subh kaamanaye Dete huye Aap ko Saadar Pranaam ke saath Krishnan amit_call <amit_call wrote: Ji Krishnan ji, As you said: we atleast think of track and idetify the start, winning or loosinng is no maatter.Even if it is slow and remains unfulfilled,let's not feel we have become redundant.let the glow of spirtuality remain inside our conscious but not contribute to put off this eternal glow. This approach what you expressed in above lines is the essence of rael life.I am in rapture reading this....."winning or loosinng is no maatter." If we think of track and aspire of spiritual growth......then like One learned person said to me: Adhyatmik Jeevan mein Din Dooni Raat Chauguni growth hoti hai.(In Spiritual life the growth is multiplied everyday) Also after long i realized spiritual progress is not just being morally good,doing good......the actual purpose is to establish a connection with DIVINE. Humbly Amit Kumar , vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > Amitji, > Thanx for the post.Some where let us say we get in to those felings,live with them and keep remembering them everyday.let that mind set be ultimate to lookforward to: > a new identity of ourselve > And our behaviour ,vision changes. > this we can say spiritual progress. > but generally its very slow . > somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that "In his life every Human > gets a chance when he feels a little of Brahma through his mind" > If we atleast think of track and idetify the start, winning or loosinng is no maatter.Even if it is slow and remains unfulfilled,let's not feel we have become redundant.let the glow of spirtuality remain inside our conscious but not contribute to put off this eternal glow. > regards > krishnan . > > > amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > Dear Krishnan ji, > You are right reaching that pure state is the way to spirituality. > Also you mntioned abt a practiceable and lasting approach. > We all see that sometimes we see ourself purer than ever... > From where this purity comes wwe do not know...and aftera time it > vanishes. > but it leaves an imprint on our heart... > a new identity of ourselve > And our behaviour ,vision changes. > this we can say spiritual progress. > but generally its very slow . > somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that "In his life every Human > gets a chance when he feels a little of Brahma through his mind" > naturally our other traits,habits,emotions overshadows the urge for > spirituality. > same way an impulse of anger also creates an imprint on heart.... > and gets counted in our identity. > I think a practiceable approch to Spirituality is to try to vanish > these all negative traits of human nature and let all spiritual > qualities get cultivated. > Now every one will face a totally different issue in his life. > For example practicing truthfulness and honesty may be very easy(i am > talking in context of external circumtances) for a person having a > life where no such situation arises to test his truthfulness or > honesty....on the other hand some other person works in a corrupt > office where he has to face it everyday in every matter...and he has > to struggle for keeping his honesty/truth. > so all is variable. > We all are in a kind of bondage due to our very own personal > obstructions on the path of purity /spirituality. > One has to nurture his spiritual nature in mid of day to day battle > of KARMA . > Humbly > Amit Kumar > > \, vattem krishnan > <bursar_99> wrote: > > Hello Members, > > I find from several posts taht most of the opinions are only > hovering around spirtuality but does not find apractiacble and > lasting approach. > > Recently one of the Group member opined in his post: > > :the word spirituality is the process of losing "all mindset" > > It looks to me to achieve anything including spirtuality you need > an objective and ofcourse an approach initially.otherwise OSHO, a > form of spirtuality could not have come out and pracised.I have seen > this kind of spirtual approach which ultimately leads to a kind of > bliss and find the universe is seamless and filled with joy and > happiness.Almost you are floating in a different world of PURITY > where nothing of your own is seen.Is this not spirtuality? Is this > not a "mindset" to achieve this state. > > Further things eveolve in Nature only when you explore and go > beyond to find that something is "different" and feel unique.At the > beginning you were in state of "ignorance" and in the end of in a > state of "enlightenment"This journey or traverse from darkness to to > a definete state of purity,happiness and joy is what is > spirtuality.How this has been achieved is only through a target and > an experential approach. > > Iam sure from a stae of "no theory" we have initaited and through > along struggle of practice,perfection and nobility has been achieved > > So what my friend Shri Suryaji opines finds: > > :a theory may be working towards it in ways that we can surely is a > > good way to progress !! > > It is matter of judgement and spirtuality has to be a kind of > approach to be initiated and invented if we have to find the reality > or myth. > > Iam sure members would judge and enlighten me > > krishnan > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am able to sense the content of your response, > > however I am not able to grasp all of what you are > > saying .. please pardon me ... > > > > Mindset you are talking about is related to our > > beliefs and biases and which are again grounded in our > > experiences and perceptions ... however a mind set is > > only necessary to get one started into spirituality > > ... In the true sense of the word spirituality is the > > process of losing all mindset as I see it .. > > > > No practical approach is complete without theory > > backing it ... theory and practice should always go > > hand in hand ... however you are right in that we have > > to experiment ... again, experimentation ends once you > > after you reach a stage of evolution (or find a guru > > you have complete faith in) ... > > > > I am not sure if i am answering your concerns?? > > > > My view is that however far fetching a theory may be > > .. working towards it in ways that we can surely is a > > good way to progress !! > > > > Thanks for your time! > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > Hello Suryaji. > > > As part of our normal life Almighty has given to us > > > many wonders.Again we choose and decide according to > > > our mindset and experience the life.For better > > > explicability i would consider tolerance(readiness > > > to feel)- as we are not in hurry/ anxious to > > > identify "something" and kindness as a frame of > > > mind needed in the search of spirtuality.Spirtuality > > > is a practical approach and an experimental > > > approach. > > > certainly,a person who gives value and respect to > > > others will definetely find the same God in every > > > one. > > > I therefore feel:. > > > Good if we can find the same God in every one as we > > > are on the same Mother Earth bestowed by The > > > Supreem.In fact it is a Great realisation by > > > itself.If that happens to be the case we are "on the > > > way to spirtuality". > > > Iam somehow of the belief that normal life(by > > > location) in which we are "situated" is the holistic > > > part of the universe and a part of it is the element > > > of spirtuality.It is for us to find it and adopt it > > > .if it can be a mindset certainly we are into > > > "spirtualism" > > > Your other point: > > > "you cant attain spirituality at the cost > > > of your normal life" > > > Again if Iam allowed to say that the possiblity to > > > attain spirtuality is a 'kind of search' by > > > itself.The ultimate to noramal life is > > > spirtuality(?) > > > If the ultimate is spirtuality and the path to > > > attain is identified,let all of us put all our > > > endowed faculties together to fulfil this supreem > > > objective > > > The other point you made: > > > "Material world and spiritual > > > world are like two wings of a bird" > > > > > > Incase if these(the two worlds named by you) are > > > complementary to each other and are the > > > resources/faculties gifted to us, let us, > > > fly(attempt) "as bird" and experience whether these > > > two worlds coexist are not. > > > The point I would like to make is all of our "inner > > > feelings" are spirtual in nature.Somehow there is > > > some kind of limitation probably that makes us to > > > hide these feelings with in us and seldom we feel > > > like expressing to out side world.I would prefer to > > > term this outer/outside world(Life) as materialistic > > > > > > Iam sure we are able to realise the ultimate only > > > through the mindset.Can we agree this as a > > > spirtuality? > > > Thanx > > > krishnan > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > What would happen when you realise that there is the > > > same god in everyone else? isnt it tolerance or > > > kindness? can tolerance and kindness be seperated? > > > > > > Am I missing something that you are saying? > > > > > > To me the only practical aspect of spirituality is > > > to > > > realise that you cant attain spirituality at the > > > cost > > > of your normal life ... Material world and spiritual > > > world are like two wings of a bird ... the bird can > > > fly only when both the wings are balanced and in > > > synch > > > ! > > > > > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Members, > > > > What is not practicable and what is for the sake > > > of > > > > academic interest has been thought of as under: > > > > understanding the universal spirit is: > > > spirituality, > > > > and the outward manifestation of this is kindness > > > > towards all. > > > > > > > > Is it not that "spirtuality is to serve the > > > Humanity > > > > without seeking any returns and the thank the God > > > > for giving such noble birth and as such an > > > > opportunity". > > > > _to respect feelings of others and show tolearnce > > > > towards others > > > > _ to realise that purpose of the life is to > > > realise > > > > things that there are many things which are > > > > beyond"Self" and find God in every one. > > > > Spirtuality is a feasible practice and is an > > > > internal feeling and has to be a mindset. > > > > > > > > Hope members will be giving their views and ideas > > > > which are more practical rather than in terms of > > > > language > > > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree with sreelatha .. there can be no better > > > > definition of spirituality that wat you have given > > > > .. > > > > > > > > I personally feel love is the bottomline of all > > > > sprituality, and somehow kindness, disciplin, > > > > respect > > > > for all creation (including self) and firmness to > > > > name > > > > a few are inseperable from the idea of love ... > > > > > > > > Spirituality is also to me the ability to involve > > > > into > > > > pains/joys of the mundane life and simultaneously > > > > not > > > > lose focus of the bigger picture .. this directly > > > or > > > > indirectly involves dispassion and non attachment > > > > while possessing things of the material world .. > > > it > > > > is > > > > to realise the difference between feelings and > > > > emotions ... > > > > > > > > It is lastly also to delve into the purpose of > > > > existance and a willingness to go back to the > > > source > > > > from where we come from ... > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "V. Sreelatha" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gili, > > > > > > > > > > Welcome back, it is always a pleasure to read > > > your > > > > > postings. You > > > > > have given such a beautiful definition of > > > > > spirituality, what can > > > > > anyone else say? You said > > > > > > > > > > > Once we become aware that each one of us > > > > connected > > > > > to every other > > > > > being... > > > > > > and indeed to everything else in the Universe > > > it > > > > > is hardly > > > > > possible not to > > > > > > treat all beings with kindness. > > > > > > > > > > As you said, understanding the universal spirit > > > is > > > > > spirituality, and > > > > > the outward manifestation of this is kindness > > > > > towards all. You have > > > > > succintly stated what the great masters of every > > > > > religion expressed > > > > > throughout the ages....... how lovely! Hope the > > > > > esteemed members of > > > > > this group can add to this thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > Sreelatha > > > > > > > > > > , "Gili > > > > Mary" > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > I am a 6o year old woman, well educated, well > > > > read > > > > > and well > > > > > travelled yet I > > > > > > am unable to be sure of what you all mean when > > > > you > > > > > use the term > > > > > > 'spirituality'. Perhaps you wise ones who use > > > > the > > > > > word so freely > > > > > can define > > > > > > it for me. > > > > > > I am certain it isn't synonymous with > > > 'religion' > > > > > because a > > > > > spontaneous > > > > > > moment of bliss and awareness that I had the > > > joy > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > > http://mobile./maildemo > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 Krishnan ji,Shubhkamnaon ke liye Dhanyavad. Aap ko bhi Parivar sahit Naye Varsh Ki shubhkaamnaye. Krishnan ji,i am very younger Atah Pranam ke Jagah Ashish ki asha Karta hoon. Saadar Pranam Amit Kumar , vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > Ji Amitji, > I am really elated with the kind of rounding you have made on the issue as under.i hope our learned members will get the spirit as we get in to another yet and make the real progress.I mean spirtually: > ''Adhyatmik Jeevan mein Din Dooni Raat > Chauguni growth hoti hai''.(In Spiritual life the growth is multiplied > aap ko aap ka parivar ko Naya saal ka Subh kaamanaye Dete huye > Aap ko Saadar Pranaam ke saath > Krishnan > > > amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > Ji Krishnan ji, > As you said: > we atleast think of track and idetify the start, winning or loosinng > is no maatter.Even if it is slow and remains unfulfilled,let's not > feel we have become redundant.let the glow of spirtuality remain > inside our conscious but not contribute to put off this eternal glow. > > This approach what you expressed in above lines is the essence of > rael life.I am in rapture reading this....."winning or loosinng is no > maatter." > If we think of track and aspire of spiritual growth......then like > One learned person said to me: Adhyatmik Jeevan mein Din Dooni Raat > Chauguni growth hoti hai.(In Spiritual life the growth is multiplied > everyday) > Also after long i realized spiritual progress is not just being > morally good,doing good......the actual purpose is to establish a > connection with DIVINE. > > Humbly > Amit Kumar > > > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99> wrote: > > Amitji, > > Thanx for the post.Some where let us say we get in to those > felings,live with them and keep remembering them everyday.let that > mind set be ultimate to lookforward to: > > a new identity of ourselve > > And our behaviour ,vision changes. > > this we can say spiritual progress. > > but generally its very slow . > > somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that "In his life every > Human > > gets a chance when he feels a little of Brahma through his mind" > > If we atleast think of track and idetify the start, winning or > loosinng is no maatter.Even if it is slow and remains > unfulfilled,let's not feel we have become redundant.let the glow of > spirtuality remain inside our conscious but not contribute to put off > this eternal glow. > > regards > > krishnan . > > > > > > amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > You are right reaching that pure state is the way to spirituality. > > Also you mntioned abt a practiceable and lasting approach. > > We all see that sometimes we see ourself purer than ever... > > From where this purity comes wwe do not know...and aftera time it > > vanishes. > > but it leaves an imprint on our heart... > > a new identity of ourselve > > And our behaviour ,vision changes. > > this we can say spiritual progress. > > but generally its very slow . > > somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that "In his life every > Human > > gets a chance when he feels a little of Brahma through his mind" > > naturally our other traits,habits,emotions overshadows the urge for > > spirituality. > > same way an impulse of anger also creates an imprint on heart.... > > and gets counted in our identity. > > I think a practiceable approch to Spirituality is to try to vanish > > these all negative traits of human nature and let all spiritual > > qualities get cultivated. > > Now every one will face a totally different issue in his life. > > For example practicing truthfulness and honesty may be very easy (i > am > > talking in context of external circumtances) for a person having a > > life where no such situation arises to test his truthfulness or > > honesty....on the other hand some other person works in a corrupt > > office where he has to face it everyday in every matter...and he > has > > to struggle for keeping his honesty/truth. > > so all is variable. > > We all are in a kind of bondage due to our very own personal > > obstructions on the path of purity /spirituality. > > One has to nurture his spiritual nature in mid of day to day battle > > of KARMA . > > Humbly > > Amit Kumar > > > > \, vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > Hello Members, > > > I find from several posts taht most of the opinions are only > > hovering around spirtuality but does not find apractiacble and > > lasting approach. > > > Recently one of the Group member opined in his post: > > > :the word spirituality is the process of losing "all mindset" > > > It looks to me to achieve anything including spirtuality you need > > an objective and ofcourse an approach initially.otherwise OSHO, a > > form of spirtuality could not have come out and pracised.I have > seen > > this kind of spirtual approach which ultimately leads to a kind of > > bliss and find the universe is seamless and filled with joy and > > happiness.Almost you are floating in a different world of PURITY > > where nothing of your own is seen.Is this not spirtuality? Is this > > not a "mindset" to achieve this state. > > > Further things eveolve in Nature only when you explore and go > > beyond to find that something is "different" and feel unique.At the > > beginning you were in state of "ignorance" and in the end of in a > > state of "enlightenment"This journey or traverse from darkness to > to > > a definete state of purity,happiness and joy is what is > > spirtuality.How this has been achieved is only through a target and > > an experential approach. > > > Iam sure from a stae of "no theory" we have initaited and through > > along struggle of practice,perfection and nobility has been achieved > > > So what my friend Shri Suryaji opines finds: > > > :a theory may be working towards it in ways that we can surely is > a > > > good way to progress !! > > > It is matter of judgement and spirtuality has to be a kind of > > approach to be initiated and invented if we have to find the > reality > > or myth. > > > Iam sure members would judge and enlighten me > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am able to sense the content of your response, > > > however I am not able to grasp all of what you are > > > saying .. please pardon me ... > > > > > > Mindset you are talking about is related to our > > > beliefs and biases and which are again grounded in our > > > experiences and perceptions ... however a mind set is > > > only necessary to get one started into spirituality > > > ... In the true sense of the word spirituality is the > > > process of losing all mindset as I see it .. > > > > > > No practical approach is complete without theory > > > backing it ... theory and practice should always go > > > hand in hand ... however you are right in that we have > > > to experiment ... again, experimentation ends once you > > > after you reach a stage of evolution (or find a guru > > > you have complete faith in) ... > > > > > > I am not sure if i am answering your concerns?? > > > > > > My view is that however far fetching a theory may be > > > .. working towards it in ways that we can surely is a > > > good way to progress !! > > > > > > Thanks for your time! > > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Suryaji. > > > > As part of our normal life Almighty has given to us > > > > many wonders.Again we choose and decide according to > > > > our mindset and experience the life.For better > > > > explicability i would consider tolerance(readiness > > > > to feel)- as we are not in hurry/ anxious to > > > > identify "something" and kindness as a frame of > > > > mind needed in the search of spirtuality.Spirtuality > > > > is a practical approach and an experimental > > > > approach. > > > > certainly,a person who gives value and respect to > > > > others will definetely find the same God in every > > > > one. > > > > I therefore feel:. > > > > Good if we can find the same God in every one as we > > > > are on the same Mother Earth bestowed by The > > > > Supreem.In fact it is a Great realisation by > > > > itself.If that happens to be the case we are "on the > > > > way to spirtuality". > > > > Iam somehow of the belief that normal life(by > > > > location) in which we are "situated" is the holistic > > > > part of the universe and a part of it is the element > > > > of spirtuality.It is for us to find it and adopt it > > > > .if it can be a mindset certainly we are into > > > > "spirtualism" > > > > Your other point: > > > > "you cant attain spirituality at the cost > > > > of your normal life" > > > > Again if Iam allowed to say that the possiblity to > > > > attain spirtuality is a 'kind of search' by > > > > itself.The ultimate to noramal life is > > > > spirtuality(?) > > > > If the ultimate is spirtuality and the path to > > > > attain is identified,let all of us put all our > > > > endowed faculties together to fulfil this supreem > > > > objective > > > > The other point you made: > > > > "Material world and spiritual > > > > world are like two wings of a bird" > > > > > > > > Incase if these(the two worlds named by you) are > > > > complementary to each other and are the > > > > resources/faculties gifted to us, let us, > > > > fly(attempt) "as bird" and experience whether these > > > > two worlds coexist are not. > > > > The point I would like to make is all of our "inner > > > > feelings" are spirtual in nature.Somehow there is > > > > some kind of limitation probably that makes us to > > > > hide these feelings with in us and seldom we feel > > > > like expressing to out side world.I would prefer to > > > > term this outer/outside world(Life) as materialistic > > > > > > > > Iam sure we are able to realise the ultimate only > > > > through the mindset.Can we agree this as a > > > > spirtuality? > > > > Thanx > > > > krishnan > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > What would happen when you realise that there is the > > > > same god in everyone else? isnt it tolerance or > > > > kindness? can tolerance and kindness be seperated? > > > > > > > > Am I missing something that you are saying? > > > > > > > > To me the only practical aspect of spirituality is > > > > to > > > > realise that you cant attain spirituality at the > > > > cost > > > > of your normal life ... Material world and spiritual > > > > world are like two wings of a bird ... the bird can > > > > fly only when both the wings are balanced and in > > > > synch > > > > ! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Members, > > > > > What is not practicable and what is for the sake > > > > of > > > > > academic interest has been thought of as under: > > > > > understanding the universal spirit is: > > > > spirituality, > > > > > and the outward manifestation of this is kindness > > > > > towards all. > > > > > > > > > > Is it not that "spirtuality is to serve the > > > > Humanity > > > > > without seeking any returns and the thank the God > > > > > for giving such noble birth and as such an > > > > > opportunity". > > > > > _to respect feelings of others and show tolearnce > > > > > towards others > > > > > _ to realise that purpose of the life is to > > > > realise > > > > > things that there are many things which are > > > > > beyond"Self" and find God in every one. > > > > > Spirtuality is a feasible practice and is an > > > > > internal feeling and has to be a mindset. > > > > > > > > > > Hope members will be giving their views and ideas > > > > > which are more practical rather than in terms of > > > > > language > > > > > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I agree with sreelatha .. there can be no better > > > > > definition of spirituality that wat you have given > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > I personally feel love is the bottomline of all > > > > > sprituality, and somehow kindness, disciplin, > > > > > respect > > > > > for all creation (including self) and firmness to > > > > > name > > > > > a few are inseperable from the idea of love ... > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality is also to me the ability to involve > > > > > into > > > > > pains/joys of the mundane life and simultaneously > > > > > not > > > > > lose focus of the bigger picture .. this directly > > > > or > > > > > indirectly involves dispassion and non attachment > > > > > while possessing things of the material world .. > > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > to realise the difference between feelings and > > > > > emotions ... > > > > > > > > > > It is lastly also to delve into the purpose of > > > > > existance and a willingness to go back to the > > > > source > > > > > from where we come from ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "V. Sreelatha" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gili, > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome back, it is always a pleasure to read > > > > your > > > > > > postings. You > > > > > > have given such a beautiful definition of > > > > > > spirituality, what can > > > > > > anyone else say? You said > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once we become aware that each one of us > > > > > connected > > > > > > to every other > > > > > > being... > > > > > > > and indeed to everything else in the Universe > > > > it > > > > > > is hardly > > > > > > possible not to > > > > > > > treat all beings with kindness. > > > > > > > > > > > > As you said, understanding the universal spirit > > > > is > > > > > > spirituality, and > > > > > > the outward manifestation of this is kindness > > > > > > towards all. You have > > > > > > succintly stated what the great masters of every > > > > > > religion expressed > > > > > > throughout the ages....... how lovely! Hope the > > > > > > esteemed members of > > > > > > this group can add to this thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Sreelatha > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Gili > > > > > Mary" > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > I am a 6o year old woman, well educated, well > > > > > read > > > > > > and well > > > > > > travelled yet I > > > > > > > am unable to be sure of what you all mean when > > > > > you > > > > > > use the term > > > > > > > 'spirituality'. Perhaps you wise ones who use > > > > > the > > > > > > word so freely > > > > > > can define > > > > > > > it for me. > > > > > > > I am certain it isn't synonymous with > > > > 'religion' > > > > > > because a > > > > > > spontaneous > > > > > > > moment of bliss and awareness that I had the > > > > joy > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! 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Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 Amitji, Dhanyavaad.Kind for your sentiments.Let Almighty grace you in 2005 all best wishes krishnan with regards amit_call <amit_call wrote: Krishnan ji,Shubhkamnaon ke liye Dhanyavad. Aap ko bhi Parivar sahit Naye Varsh Ki shubhkaamnaye. Krishnan ji,i am very younger Atah Pranam ke Jagah Ashish ki asha Karta hoon. Saadar Pranam Amit Kumar , vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > Ji Amitji, > I am really elated with the kind of rounding you have made on the issue as under.i hope our learned members will get the spirit as we get in to another yet and make the real progress.I mean spirtually: > ''Adhyatmik Jeevan mein Din Dooni Raat > Chauguni growth hoti hai''.(In Spiritual life the growth is multiplied > aap ko aap ka parivar ko Naya saal ka Subh kaamanaye Dete huye > Aap ko Saadar Pranaam ke saath > Krishnan > > > amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > Ji Krishnan ji, > As you said: > we atleast think of track and idetify the start, winning or loosinng > is no maatter.Even if it is slow and remains unfulfilled,let's not > feel we have become redundant.let the glow of spirtuality remain > inside our conscious but not contribute to put off this eternal glow. > > This approach what you expressed in above lines is the essence of > rael life.I am in rapture reading this....."winning or loosinng is no > maatter." > If we think of track and aspire of spiritual growth......then like > One learned person said to me: Adhyatmik Jeevan mein Din Dooni Raat > Chauguni growth hoti hai.(In Spiritual life the growth is multiplied > everyday) > Also after long i realized spiritual progress is not just being > morally good,doing good......the actual purpose is to establish a > connection with DIVINE. > > Humbly > Amit Kumar > > > > , vattem krishnan > <bursar_99> wrote: > > Amitji, > > Thanx for the post.Some where let us say we get in to those > felings,live with them and keep remembering them everyday.let that > mind set be ultimate to lookforward to: > > a new identity of ourselve > > And our behaviour ,vision changes. > > this we can say spiritual progress. > > but generally its very slow . > > somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that "In his life every > Human > > gets a chance when he feels a little of Brahma through his mind" > > If we atleast think of track and idetify the start, winning or > loosinng is no maatter.Even if it is slow and remains > unfulfilled,let's not feel we have become redundant.let the glow of > spirtuality remain inside our conscious but not contribute to put off > this eternal glow. > > regards > > krishnan . > > > > > > amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > You are right reaching that pure state is the way to spirituality. > > Also you mntioned abt a practiceable and lasting approach. > > We all see that sometimes we see ourself purer than ever... > > From where this purity comes wwe do not know...and aftera time it > > vanishes. > > but it leaves an imprint on our heart... > > a new identity of ourselve > > And our behaviour ,vision changes. > > this we can say spiritual progress. > > but generally its very slow . > > somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that "In his life every > Human > > gets a chance when he feels a little of Brahma through his mind" > > naturally our other traits,habits,emotions overshadows the urge for > > spirituality. > > same way an impulse of anger also creates an imprint on heart.... > > and gets counted in our identity. > > I think a practiceable approch to Spirituality is to try to vanish > > these all negative traits of human nature and let all spiritual > > qualities get cultivated. > > Now every one will face a totally different issue in his life. > > For example practicing truthfulness and honesty may be very easy (i > am > > talking in context of external circumtances) for a person having a > > life where no such situation arises to test his truthfulness or > > honesty....on the other hand some other person works in a corrupt > > office where he has to face it everyday in every matter...and he > has > > to struggle for keeping his honesty/truth. > > so all is variable. > > We all are in a kind of bondage due to our very own personal > > obstructions on the path of purity /spirituality. > > One has to nurture his spiritual nature in mid of day to day battle > > of KARMA . > > Humbly > > Amit Kumar > > > > \, vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > Hello Members, > > > I find from several posts taht most of the opinions are only > > hovering around spirtuality but does not find apractiacble and > > lasting approach. > > > Recently one of the Group member opined in his post: > > > :the word spirituality is the process of losing "all mindset" > > > It looks to me to achieve anything including spirtuality you need > > an objective and ofcourse an approach initially.otherwise OSHO, a > > form of spirtuality could not have come out and pracised.I have > seen > > this kind of spirtual approach which ultimately leads to a kind of > > bliss and find the universe is seamless and filled with joy and > > happiness.Almost you are floating in a different world of PURITY > > where nothing of your own is seen.Is this not spirtuality? Is this > > not a "mindset" to achieve this state. > > > Further things eveolve in Nature only when you explore and go > > beyond to find that something is "different" and feel unique.At the > > beginning you were in state of "ignorance" and in the end of in a > > state of "enlightenment"This journey or traverse from darkness to > to > > a definete state of purity,happiness and joy is what is > > spirtuality.How this has been achieved is only through a target and > > an experential approach. > > > Iam sure from a stae of "no theory" we have initaited and through > > along struggle of practice,perfection and nobility has been achieved > > > So what my friend Shri Suryaji opines finds: > > > :a theory may be working towards it in ways that we can surely is > a > > > good way to progress !! > > > It is matter of judgement and spirtuality has to be a kind of > > approach to be initiated and invented if we have to find the > reality > > or myth. > > > Iam sure members would judge and enlighten me > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am able to sense the content of your response, > > > however I am not able to grasp all of what you are > > > saying .. please pardon me ... > > > > > > Mindset you are talking about is related to our > > > beliefs and biases and which are again grounded in our > > > experiences and perceptions ... however a mind set is > > > only necessary to get one started into spirituality > > > ... In the true sense of the word spirituality is the > > > process of losing all mindset as I see it .. > > > > > > No practical approach is complete without theory > > > backing it ... theory and practice should always go > > > hand in hand ... however you are right in that we have > > > to experiment ... again, experimentation ends once you > > > after you reach a stage of evolution (or find a guru > > > you have complete faith in) ... > > > > > > I am not sure if i am answering your concerns?? > > > > > > My view is that however far fetching a theory may be > > > .. working towards it in ways that we can surely is a > > > good way to progress !! > > > > > > Thanks for your time! > > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Suryaji. > > > > As part of our normal life Almighty has given to us > > > > many wonders.Again we choose and decide according to > > > > our mindset and experience the life.For better > > > > explicability i would consider tolerance(readiness > > > > to feel)- as we are not in hurry/ anxious to > > > > identify "something" and kindness as a frame of > > > > mind needed in the search of spirtuality.Spirtuality > > > > is a practical approach and an experimental > > > > approach. > > > > certainly,a person who gives value and respect to > > > > others will definetely find the same God in every > > > > one. > > > > I therefore feel:. > > > > Good if we can find the same God in every one as we > > > > are on the same Mother Earth bestowed by The > > > > Supreem.In fact it is a Great realisation by > > > > itself.If that happens to be the case we are "on the > > > > way to spirtuality". > > > > Iam somehow of the belief that normal life(by > > > > location) in which we are "situated" is the holistic > > > > part of the universe and a part of it is the element > > > > of spirtuality.It is for us to find it and adopt it > > > > .if it can be a mindset certainly we are into > > > > "spirtualism" > > > > Your other point: > > > > "you cant attain spirituality at the cost > > > > of your normal life" > > > > Again if Iam allowed to say that the possiblity to > > > > attain spirtuality is a 'kind of search' by > > > > itself.The ultimate to noramal life is > > > > spirtuality(?) > > > > If the ultimate is spirtuality and the path to > > > > attain is identified,let all of us put all our > > > > endowed faculties together to fulfil this supreem > > > > objective > > > > The other point you made: > > > > "Material world and spiritual > > > > world are like two wings of a bird" > > > > > > > > Incase if these(the two worlds named by you) are > > > > complementary to each other and are the > > > > resources/faculties gifted to us, let us, > > > > fly(attempt) "as bird" and experience whether these > > > > two worlds coexist are not. > > > > The point I would like to make is all of our "inner > > > > feelings" are spirtual in nature.Somehow there is > > > > some kind of limitation probably that makes us to > > > > hide these feelings with in us and seldom we feel > > > > like expressing to out side world.I would prefer to > > > > term this outer/outside world(Life) as materialistic > > > > > > > > Iam sure we are able to realise the ultimate only > > > > through the mindset.Can we agree this as a > > > > spirtuality? > > > > Thanx > > > > krishnan > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > What would happen when you realise that there is the > > > > same god in everyone else? isnt it tolerance or > > > > kindness? can tolerance and kindness be seperated? > > > > > > > > Am I missing something that you are saying? > > > > > > > > To me the only practical aspect of spirituality is > > > > to > > > > realise that you cant attain spirituality at the > > > > cost > > > > of your normal life ... Material world and spiritual > > > > world are like two wings of a bird ... the bird can > > > > fly only when both the wings are balanced and in > > > > synch > > > > ! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Members, > > > > > What is not practicable and what is for the sake > > > > of > > > > > academic interest has been thought of as under: > > > > > understanding the universal spirit is: > > > > spirituality, > > > > > and the outward manifestation of this is kindness > > > > > towards all. > > > > > > > > > > Is it not that "spirtuality is to serve the > > > > Humanity > > > > > without seeking any returns and the thank the God > > > > > for giving such noble birth and as such an > > > > > opportunity". > > > > > _to respect feelings of others and show tolearnce > > > > > towards others > > > > > _ to realise that purpose of the life is to > > > > realise > > > > > things that there are many things which are > > > > > beyond"Self" and find God in every one. > > > > > Spirtuality is a feasible practice and is an > > > > > internal feeling and has to be a mindset. > > > > > > > > > > Hope members will be giving their views and ideas > > > > > which are more practical rather than in terms of > > > > > language > > > > > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I agree with sreelatha .. there can be no better > > > > > definition of spirituality that wat you have given > > > > > .. > > > > > > > > > > I personally feel love is the bottomline of all > > > > > sprituality, and somehow kindness, disciplin, > > > > > respect > > > > > for all creation (including self) and firmness to > > > > > name > > > > > a few are inseperable from the idea of love ... > > > > > > > > > > Spirituality is also to me the ability to involve > > > > > into > > > > > pains/joys of the mundane life and simultaneously > > > > > not > > > > > lose focus of the bigger picture .. this directly > > > > or > > > > > indirectly involves dispassion and non attachment > > > > > while possessing things of the material world .. > > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > to realise the difference between feelings and > > > > > emotions ... > > > > > > > > > > It is lastly also to delve into the purpose of > > > > > existance and a willingness to go back to the > > > > source > > > > > from where we come from ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "V. Sreelatha" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gili, > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome back, it is always a pleasure to read > > > > your > > > > > > postings. You > > > > > > have given such a beautiful definition of > > > > > > spirituality, what can > > > > > > anyone else say? You said > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once we become aware that each one of us > > > > > connected > > > > > > to every other > > > > > > being... > > > > > > > and indeed to everything else in the Universe > > > > it > > > > > > is hardly > > > > > > possible not to > > > > > > > treat all beings with kindness. > > > > > > > > > > > > As you said, understanding the universal spirit > > > > is > > > > > > spirituality, and > > > > > > the outward manifestation of this is kindness > > > > > > towards all. You have > > > > > > succintly stated what the great masters of every > > > > > > religion expressed > > > > > > throughout the ages....... how lovely! Hope the > > > > > > esteemed members of > > > > > > this group can add to this thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Sreelatha > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Gili > > > > > Mary" > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > I am a 6o year old woman, well educated, well > > > > > read > > > > > > and well > > > > > > travelled yet I > > > > > > > am unable to be sure of what you all mean when > > > > > you > > > > > > use the term > > > > > > > 'spirituality'. Perhaps you wise ones who use > > > > > the > > > > > > word so freely > > > > > > can define > > > > > > > it for me. > > > > > > > I am certain it isn't synonymous with > > > > 'religion' > > > > > > because a > > > > > > spontaneous > > > > > > > moment of bliss and awareness that I had the > > > > joy > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take Mail with you! 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