Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Ji Surya ji,getting rid of these imprints is necessary for spiritual progress. How can we do that is a question to be answered. One Person said me "First distinguish among your desires.As per priority choose which you can fulfill easily and leave which can't be" Also i feel that one has to strive hard for spiritual progress called 'Adhyatmik Purusharth'. generally people are very lazy towards spiritual progress. Also after a lot of questioning to people and serching answers in works of saints i concluded that spiritual progress is not a victim of Destiny. Krishna himself said in Gita "It doesn't matter How sinful a person was If he comes to my shelter, gets me." Thnaks and regards Amit , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Good views Amit, > > But dont you think getting rid of these imprints is > necessary for spiritual progress? > > > --- amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > You are right reaching that pure state is the way to > > spirituality. > > Also you mntioned abt a practiceable and lasting > > approach. > > We all see that sometimes we see ourself purer than > > ever... > > From where this purity comes wwe do not know...and > > aftera time it > > vanishes. > > but it leaves an imprint on our heart... > > a new identity of ourselve > > And our behaviour ,vision changes. > > this we can say spiritual progress. > > but generally its very slow . > > somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that "In his > > life every Human > > gets a chance when he feels a little of Brahma > > through his mind" > > naturally our other traits,habits,emotions > > overshadows the urge for > > spirituality. > > same way an impulse of anger also creates an imprint > > on heart.... > > and gets counted in our identity. > > I think a practiceable approch to Spirituality is to > > try to vanish > > these all negative traits of human nature and let > > all spiritual > > qualities get cultivated. > > Now every one will face a totally different issue in > > his life. > > For example practicing truthfulness and honesty may > > be very easy(i am > > talking in context of external circumtances) for a > > person having a > > life where no such situation arises to test his > > truthfulness or > > honesty....on the other hand some other person works > > in a corrupt > > office where he has to face it everyday in every > > matter...and he has > > to struggle for keeping his honesty/truth. > > so all is variable. > > We all are in a kind of bondage due to our very own > > personal > > obstructions on the path of purity /spirituality. > > One has to nurture his spiritual nature in mid of > > day to day battle > > of KARMA . > > Humbly > > Amit Kumar > > > > \, vattem > > krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > Hello Members, > > > I find from several posts taht most of the > > opinions are only > > hovering around spirtuality but does not find > > apractiacble and > > lasting approach. > > > Recently one of the Group member opined in his > > post: > > > :the word spirituality is the process of losing > > "all mindset" > > > It looks to me to achieve anything including > > spirtuality you need > > an objective and ofcourse an approach > > initially.otherwise OSHO, a > > form of spirtuality could not have come out and > > pracised.I have seen > > this kind of spirtual approach which ultimately > > leads to a kind of > > bliss and find the universe is seamless and filled > > with joy and > > happiness.Almost you are floating in a different > > world of PURITY > > where nothing of your own is seen.Is this not > > spirtuality? Is this > > not a "mindset" to achieve this state. > > > Further things eveolve in Nature only when you > > explore and go > > beyond to find that something is "different" and > > feel unique.At the > > beginning you were in state of "ignorance" and in > > the end of in a > > state of "enlightenment"This journey or traverse > > from darkness to to > > a definete state of purity,happiness and joy is what > > is > > spirtuality.How this has been achieved is only > > through a target and > > an experential approach. > > > Iam sure from a stae of "no theory" we have > > initaited and through > > along struggle of practice,perfection and nobility > > has been achieved > > > So what my friend Shri Suryaji opines finds: > > > :a theory may be working towards it in ways that > > we can surely is a > > > good way to progress !! > > > It is matter of judgement and spirtuality has to > > be a kind of > > approach to be initiated and invented if we have to > > find the reality > > or myth. > > > Iam sure members would judge and enlighten me > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am able to sense the content of your response, > > > however I am not able to grasp all of what you are > > > saying .. please pardon me ... > > > > > > Mindset you are talking about is related to our > > > beliefs and biases and which are again grounded in > > our > > > experiences and perceptions ... however a mind set > > is > > > only necessary to get one started into > > spirituality > > > ... In the true sense of the word spirituality is > > the > > > process of losing all mindset as I see it .. > > > > > > No practical approach is complete without theory > > > backing it ... theory and practice should always > > go > > > hand in hand ... however you are right in that we > > have > > > to experiment ... again, experimentation ends once > > you > > > after you reach a stage of evolution (or find a > > guru > > > you have complete faith in) ... > > > > > > I am not sure if i am answering your concerns?? > > > > > > My view is that however far fetching a theory may > > be > > > .. working towards it in ways that we can surely > > is a > > > good way to progress !! > > > > > > Thanks for your time! > > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Suryaji. > > > > As part of our normal life Almighty has given to > > us > > > > many wonders.Again we choose and decide > > according to > > > > our mindset and experience the life.For better > > > > explicability i would consider > > tolerance(readiness > > > > to feel)- as we are not in hurry/ anxious to > > > > identify "something" and kindness as a frame of > > > > mind needed in the search of > > spirtuality.Spirtuality > > > > is a practical approach and an experimental > > > > approach. > > > > certainly,a person who gives value and respect > > to > > > > others will definetely find the same God in > > every > > > > one. > > > > I therefore feel:. > > > > Good if we can find the same God in every one > > as we > > > > are on the same Mother Earth bestowed by The > > > > Supreem.In fact it is a Great realisation by > > > > itself.If that happens to be the case we are "on > > the > > > > way to spirtuality". > > > > Iam somehow of the belief that normal life(by > > > > location) in which we are "situated" is the > > holistic > > > > part of the universe and a part of it is the > > element > > > > of spirtuality.It is for us to find it and adopt > > it > > > > .if it can be a mindset certainly we are into > > > > "spirtualism" > > > > Your other point: > > > > "you cant attain spirituality at the cost > > > > of your normal life" > > > > Again if Iam allowed to say that the possiblity > > to > > > > attain spirtuality is a 'kind of search' by > > > > itself.The ultimate to noramal life is > > > > spirtuality(?) > > > > If the ultimate is spirtuality and the path to > > > > attain is identified,let all of us put all our > > > > endowed faculties together to fulfil this > > supreem > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. 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Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 Dear Amit, I am not sure if you have ever heard of Sahaj Marg, per what I know their entire philosophy is devoted to cleaning these footprints (called impressions by them) through shakti path from a guru ... I just shared with you because I saw the connection between what you said and what they believed ! --- amit_call <amit_call wrote: > > Ji Surya ji,getting rid of these imprints is > necessary for spiritual > progress. > How can we do that is a question to be answered. > One Person said me "First distinguish among your > desires.As per > priority choose which you can fulfill easily and > leave which can't be" > Also i feel that one has to strive hard for > spiritual progress > called 'Adhyatmik Purusharth'. generally people are > very lazy towards > spiritual progress. > Also after a lot of questioning to people and > serching answers in > works of saints i concluded that spiritual progress > is not a victim > of Destiny. > Krishna himself said in Gita "It doesn't matter How > sinful a person > was If he comes to my shelter, gets me." > Thnaks and regards > Amit > > > > , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Good views Amit, > > > > But dont you think getting rid of these imprints > is > > necessary for spiritual progress? > > > > > > --- amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > You are right reaching that pure state is the > way to > > > spirituality. > > > Also you mntioned abt a practiceable and lasting > > > approach. > > > We all see that sometimes we see ourself purer > than > > > ever... > > > From where this purity comes wwe do not > know...and > > > aftera time it > > > vanishes. > > > but it leaves an imprint on our heart... > > > a new identity of ourselve > > > And our behaviour ,vision changes. > > > this we can say spiritual progress. > > > but generally its very slow . > > > somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that "In > his > > > life every Human > > > gets a chance when he feels a little of Brahma > > > through his mind" > > > naturally our other traits,habits,emotions > > > overshadows the urge for > > > spirituality. > > > same way an impulse of anger also creates an > imprint > > > on heart.... > > > and gets counted in our identity. > > > I think a practiceable approch to Spirituality > is to > > > try to vanish > > > these all negative traits of human nature and > let > > > all spiritual > > > qualities get cultivated. > > > Now every one will face a totally different > issue in > > > his life. > > > For example practicing truthfulness and honesty > may > > > be very easy(i am > > > talking in context of external circumtances) for > a > > > person having a > > > life where no such situation arises to test his > > > truthfulness or > > > honesty....on the other hand some other person > works > > > in a corrupt > > > office where he has to face it everyday in every > > > matter...and he has > > > to struggle for keeping his honesty/truth. > > > so all is variable. > > > We all are in a kind of bondage due to our very > own > > > personal > > > obstructions on the path of purity > /spirituality. > > > One has to nurture his spiritual nature in mid > of > > > day to day battle > > > of KARMA . > > > Humbly > > > Amit Kumar > > > > > > \, vattem > > > krishnan > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > Hello Members, > > > > I find from several posts taht most of the > > > opinions are only > > > hovering around spirtuality but does not find > > > apractiacble and > > > lasting approach. > > > > Recently one of the Group member opined in his > > > post: > > > > :the word spirituality is the process of > losing > > > "all mindset" > > > > It looks to me to achieve anything including > > > spirtuality you need > > > an objective and ofcourse an approach > > > initially.otherwise OSHO, a > > > form of spirtuality could not have come out and > > > pracised.I have seen > > > this kind of spirtual approach which ultimately > > > leads to a kind of > > > bliss and find the universe is seamless and > filled > > > with joy and > > > happiness.Almost you are floating in a different > > > world of PURITY > > > where nothing of your own is seen.Is this not > > > spirtuality? Is this > > > not a "mindset" to achieve this state. > > > > Further things eveolve in Nature only when you > > > explore and go > > > beyond to find that something is "different" and > > > feel unique.At the > > > beginning you were in state of "ignorance" and > in > > > the end of in a > > > state of "enlightenment"This journey or traverse > > > from darkness to to > > > a definete state of purity,happiness and joy is > what > > > is > > > spirtuality.How this has been achieved is only > > > through a target and > > > an experential approach. > > > > Iam sure from a stae of "no theory" we have > > > initaited and through > > > along struggle of practice,perfection and > nobility > > > has been achieved > > > > So what my friend Shri Suryaji opines finds: > > > > :a theory may be working towards it in ways > that > > > we can surely is a > > > > good way to progress !! > > > > It is matter of judgement and spirtuality has > to > > > be a kind of > > > approach to be initiated and invented if we have > to > > > find the reality > > > or myth. > > > > Iam sure members would judge and enlighten me > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I am able to sense the content of your > response, > > > > however I am not able to grasp all of what you > are > > > > saying .. please pardon me ... > > > > > > > > Mindset you are talking about is related to > our > > > > beliefs and biases and which are again > grounded in > > > our > > > > experiences and perceptions ... however a mind > set > > > is > > > > only necessary to get one started into > > > spirituality > > > > ... In the true sense of the word spirituality > is > > > the > > > > process of losing all mindset as I see it .. > > > > > > > > No practical approach is complete without > theory > > > > backing it ... theory and practice should > always > === message truncated === Meet the all-new My - Try it today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 Dear Surya ji, I have heard of sahaj marg. In early days of my search for a spiritual direction i came to know about it. But at that time i could not accept it effective....Also i was in very teen-age that time.What i said ....i said it from my experience i gained in my spiritual struggle.I saw a lot of Ups and downs ....faced a lot of confusions and tried to resolve them....hence could say all that. I tried to follow Raja-Yoga .But all was very irregular,zig-zag...in my case. I was not a believer of astrology... i used to favour free will concept very much. and i see working it dramatically in my life. but in last few years i was pushed to dig deep in concept of Predeterminism.And i saw it working dramatically also. Thats why i started learning astrology. Sincerely Amit kumar , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Dear Amit, > > I am not sure if you have ever heard of Sahaj Marg, > per what I know their entire philosophy is devoted to > cleaning these footprints (called impressions by them) > through shakti path from a guru ... > > I just shared with you because I saw the connection > between what you said and what they believed ! > > > > --- amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > > > > Ji Surya ji,getting rid of these imprints is > > necessary for spiritual > > progress. > > How can we do that is a question to be answered. > > One Person said me "First distinguish among your > > desires.As per > > priority choose which you can fulfill easily and > > leave which can't be" > > Also i feel that one has to strive hard for > > spiritual progress > > called 'Adhyatmik Purusharth'. generally people are > > very lazy towards > > spiritual progress. > > Also after a lot of questioning to people and > > serching answers in > > works of saints i concluded that spiritual progress > > is not a victim > > of Destiny. > > Krishna himself said in Gita "It doesn't matter How > > sinful a person > > was If he comes to my shelter, gets me." > > Thnaks and regards > > Amit > > > > > > > > , surya > > vishnubhotla > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > Good views Amit, > > > > > > But dont you think getting rid of these imprints > > is > > > necessary for spiritual progress? > > > > > > > > > --- amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > You are right reaching that pure state is the > > way to > > > > spirituality. > > > > Also you mntioned abt a practiceable and lasting > > > > approach. > > > > We all see that sometimes we see ourself purer > > than > > > > ever... > > > > From where this purity comes wwe do not > > know...and > > > > aftera time it > > > > vanishes. > > > > but it leaves an imprint on our heart... > > > > a new identity of ourselve > > > > And our behaviour ,vision changes. > > > > this we can say spiritual progress. > > > > but generally its very slow . > > > > somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that "In > > his > > > > life every Human > > > > gets a chance when he feels a little of Brahma > > > > through his mind" > > > > naturally our other traits,habits,emotions > > > > overshadows the urge for > > > > spirituality. > > > > same way an impulse of anger also creates an > > imprint > > > > on heart.... > > > > and gets counted in our identity. > > > > I think a practiceable approch to Spirituality > > is to > > > > try to vanish > > > > these all negative traits of human nature and > > let > > > > all spiritual > > > > qualities get cultivated. > > > > Now every one will face a totally different > > issue in > > > > his life. > > > > For example practicing truthfulness and honesty > > may > > > > be very easy(i am > > > > talking in context of external circumtances) for > > a > > > > person having a > > > > life where no such situation arises to test his > > > > truthfulness or > > > > honesty....on the other hand some other person > > works > > > > in a corrupt > > > > office where he has to face it everyday in every > > > > matter...and he has > > > > to struggle for keeping his honesty/truth. > > > > so all is variable. > > > > We all are in a kind of bondage due to our very > > own > > > > personal > > > > obstructions on the path of purity > > /spirituality. > > > > One has to nurture his spiritual nature in mid > > of > > > > day to day battle > > > > of KARMA . > > > > Humbly > > > > Amit Kumar > > > > > > > > \, vattem > > > > krishnan > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > Hello Members, > > > > > I find from several posts taht most of the > > > > opinions are only > > > > hovering around spirtuality but does not find > > > > apractiacble and > > > > lasting approach. > > > > > Recently one of the Group member opined in his > > > > post: > > > > > :the word spirituality is the process of > > losing > > > > "all mindset" > > > > > It looks to me to achieve anything including > > > > spirtuality you need > > > > an objective and ofcourse an approach > > > > initially.otherwise OSHO, a > > > > form of spirtuality could not have come out and > > > > pracised.I have seen > > > > this kind of spirtual approach which ultimately > > > > leads to a kind of > > > > bliss and find the universe is seamless and > > filled > > > > with joy and > > > > happiness.Almost you are floating in a different > > > > world of PURITY > > > > where nothing of your own is seen.Is this not > > > > spirtuality? Is this > > > > not a "mindset" to achieve this state. > > > > > Further things eveolve in Nature only when you > > > > explore and go > > > > beyond to find that something is "different" and > > > > feel unique.At the > > > > beginning you were in state of "ignorance" and > > in > > > > the end of in a > > > > state of "enlightenment"This journey or traverse > > > > from darkness to to > > > > a definete state of purity,happiness and joy is > > what > > > > is > > > > spirtuality.How this has been achieved is only > > > > through a target and > > > > an experential approach. > > > > > Iam sure from a stae of "no theory" we have > > > > initaited and through > > > > along struggle of practice,perfection and > > nobility > > > > has been achieved > > > > > So what my friend Shri Suryaji opines finds: > > > > > :a theory may be working towards it in ways > > that > > > > we can surely is a > > > > > good way to progress !! > > > > > It is matter of judgement and spirtuality has > > to > > > > be a kind of > > > > approach to be initiated and invented if we have > > to > > > > find the reality > > > > or myth. > > > > > Iam sure members would judge and enlighten me > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> > > wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > I am able to sense the content of your > > response, > > > > > however I am not able to grasp all of what you > > are > > > > > saying .. please pardon me ... > > > > > > > > > > Mindset you are talking about is related to > > our > > > > > beliefs and biases and which are again > > grounded in > > > > our > > > > > experiences and perceptions ... however a mind > > set > > > > is > > > > > only necessary to get one started into > > > > spirituality > > > > > ... In the true sense of the word spirituality > > is > > > > the > > > > > process of losing all mindset as I see it .. > > > > > > > > > > No practical approach is complete without > > theory > > > > > backing it ... theory and practice should > > always > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Meet the all-new My - Try it today! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 ji Amitji, Namaskar.Even I was also for a short time in my earlier years of life believer in sahaja margs.Infact I attended couple of discourses and read some material too. Finally as of now I believe in making myself available and help them,particularly those who have some difficult problems in life.Miraculously things started working in their favour.Definetely service to and service to humanity have improved my confidence and instilled more faith on paryers.Bit of yoga in the early morning with prayer is the easiest and practiceable approach to initiate the path of spirtualism. Iam sorry that I have intruded into your mails and offered my views.maY I request that both of you would bear with me? with regards krishnan amit_call <amit_call wrote: Dear Surya ji, I have heard of sahaj marg. In early days of my search for a spiritual direction i came to know about it. But at that time i could not accept it effective....Also i was in very teen-age that time.What i said ....i said it from my experience i gained in my spiritual struggle.I saw a lot of Ups and downs ....faced a lot of confusions and tried to resolve them....hence could say all that. I tried to follow Raja-Yoga .But all was very irregular,zig-zag...in my case. I was not a believer of astrology... i used to favour free will concept very much. and i see working it dramatically in my life. but in last few years i was pushed to dig deep in concept of Predeterminism.And i saw it working dramatically also. Thats why i started learning astrology. Sincerely Amit kumar , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Dear Amit, > > I am not sure if you have ever heard of Sahaj Marg, > per what I know their entire philosophy is devoted to > cleaning these footprints (called impressions by them) > through shakti path from a guru ... > > I just shared with you because I saw the connection > between what you said and what they believed ! > > > > --- amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > > > > Ji Surya ji,getting rid of these imprints is > > necessary for spiritual > > progress. > > How can we do that is a question to be answered. > > One Person said me "First distinguish among your > > desires.As per > > priority choose which you can fulfill easily and > > leave which can't be" > > Also i feel that one has to strive hard for > > spiritual progress > > called 'Adhyatmik Purusharth'. generally people are > > very lazy towards > > spiritual progress. > > Also after a lot of questioning to people and > > serching answers in > > works of saints i concluded that spiritual progress > > is not a victim > > of Destiny. > > Krishna himself said in Gita "It doesn't matter How > > sinful a person > > was If he comes to my shelter, gets me." > > Thnaks and regards > > Amit > > > > > > > > , surya > > vishnubhotla > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > Good views Amit, > > > > > > But dont you think getting rid of these imprints > > is > > > necessary for spiritual progress? > > > > > > > > > --- amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > You are right reaching that pure state is the > > way to > > > > spirituality. > > > > Also you mntioned abt a practiceable and lasting > > > > approach. > > > > We all see that sometimes we see ourself purer > > than > > > > ever... > > > > From where this purity comes wwe do not > > know...and > > > > aftera time it > > > > vanishes. > > > > but it leaves an imprint on our heart... > > > > a new identity of ourselve > > > > And our behaviour ,vision changes. > > > > this we can say spiritual progress. > > > > but generally its very slow . > > > > somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that "In > > his > > > > life every Human > > > > gets a chance when he feels a little of Brahma > > > > through his mind" > > > > naturally our other traits,habits,emotions > > > > overshadows the urge for > > > > spirituality. > > > > same way an impulse of anger also creates an > > imprint > > > > on heart.... > > > > and gets counted in our identity. > > > > I think a practiceable approch to Spirituality > > is to > > > > try to vanish > > > > these all negative traits of human nature and > > let > > > > all spiritual > > > > qualities get cultivated. > > > > Now every one will face a totally different > > issue in > > > > his life. > > > > For example practicing truthfulness and honesty > > may > > > > be very easy(i am > > > > talking in context of external circumtances) for > > a > > > > person having a > > > > life where no such situation arises to test his > > > > truthfulness or > > > > honesty....on the other hand some other person > > works > > > > in a corrupt > > > > office where he has to face it everyday in every > > > > matter...and he has > > > > to struggle for keeping his honesty/truth. > > > > so all is variable. > > > > We all are in a kind of bondage due to our very > > own > > > > personal > > > > obstructions on the path of purity > > /spirituality. > > > > One has to nurture his spiritual nature in mid > > of > > > > day to day battle > > > > of KARMA . > > > > Humbly > > > > Amit Kumar > > > > > > > > \, vattem > > > > krishnan > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > Hello Members, > > > > > I find from several posts taht most of the > > > > opinions are only > > > > hovering around spirtuality but does not find > > > > apractiacble and > > > > lasting approach. > > > > > Recently one of the Group member opined in his > > > > post: > > > > > :the word spirituality is the process of > > losing > > > > "all mindset" > > > > > It looks to me to achieve anything including > > > > spirtuality you need > > > > an objective and ofcourse an approach > > > > initially.otherwise OSHO, a > > > > form of spirtuality could not have come out and > > > > pracised.I have seen > > > > this kind of spirtual approach which ultimately > > > > leads to a kind of > > > > bliss and find the universe is seamless and > > filled > > > > with joy and > > > > happiness.Almost you are floating in a different > > > > world of PURITY > > > > where nothing of your own is seen.Is this not > > > > spirtuality? Is this > > > > not a "mindset" to achieve this state. > > > > > Further things eveolve in Nature only when you > > > > explore and go > > > > beyond to find that something is "different" and > > > > feel unique.At the > > > > beginning you were in state of "ignorance" and > > in > > > > the end of in a > > > > state of "enlightenment"This journey or traverse > > > > from darkness to to > > > > a definete state of purity,happiness and joy is > > what > > > > is > > > > spirtuality.How this has been achieved is only > > > > through a target and > > > > an experential approach. > > > > > Iam sure from a stae of "no theory" we have > > > > initaited and through > > > > along struggle of practice,perfection and > > nobility > > > > has been achieved > > > > > So what my friend Shri Suryaji opines finds: > > > > > :a theory may be working towards it in ways > > that > > > > we can surely is a > > > > > good way to progress !! > > > > > It is matter of judgement and spirtuality has > > to > > > > be a kind of > > > > approach to be initiated and invented if we have > > to > > > > find the reality > > > > or myth. > > > > > Iam sure members would judge and enlighten me > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> > > wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > I am able to sense the content of your > > response, > > > > > however I am not able to grasp all of what you > > are > > > > > saying .. please pardon me ... > > > > > > > > > > Mindset you are talking about is related to > > our > > > > > beliefs and biases and which are again > > grounded in > > > > our > > > > > experiences and perceptions ... however a mind > > set > > > > is > > > > > only necessary to get one started into > > > > spirituality > > > > > ... In the true sense of the word spirituality > > is > > > > the > > > > > process of losing all mindset as I see it .. > > > > > > > > > > No practical approach is complete without > > theory > > > > > backing it ... theory and practice should > > always > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Meet the all-new My - Try it today! > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2005 Report Share Posted January 1, 2005 I was wondering what led you not to continue with sahaj marg? Thanks for your views Krishnanji! Surya --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > ji Amitji, > Namaskar.Even I was also for a short time in my > earlier years of life believer in sahaja > margs.Infact I attended couple of discourses and > read some material too. > Finally as of now I believe in making myself > available and help them,particularly those who have > some difficult problems in life.Miraculously things > started working in their favour.Definetely service > to and service to humanity have improved my > confidence and instilled more faith on paryers.Bit > of yoga in the early morning with prayer is the > easiest and practiceable approach to initiate the > path of spirtualism. > Iam sorry that I have intruded into your mails and > offered my views.maY I request that both of you > would bear with me? > with regards > krishnan > > amit_call <amit_call wrote: > > Dear Surya ji, > I have heard of sahaj marg. > In early days of my search for a spiritual direction > i came to know > about it. > But at that time i could not accept it > effective....Also i was in > very teen-age that time.What i said ....i said it > from my experience > i gained in my spiritual struggle.I saw a lot of Ups > and > downs ....faced a lot of confusions and tried to > resolve > them....hence could say all that. > I tried to follow Raja-Yoga .But all was very > irregular,zig-zag...in > my case. > I was not a believer of astrology... i used to > favour free will > concept very much. and i see working it dramatically > in my life. but > in last few years i was pushed to dig deep in > concept of > Predeterminism.And i saw it working dramatically > also. > Thats why i started learning astrology. > Sincerely > Amit kumar > > > > > , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Dear Amit, > > > > I am not sure if you have ever heard of Sahaj > Marg, > > per what I know their entire philosophy is devoted > to > > cleaning these footprints (called impressions by > them) > > through shakti path from a guru ... > > > > I just shared with you because I saw the > connection > > between what you said and what they believed ! > > > > > > > > --- amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ji Surya ji,getting rid of these imprints is > > > necessary for spiritual > > > progress. > > > How can we do that is a question to be answered. > > > One Person said me "First distinguish among your > > > desires.As per > > > priority choose which you can fulfill easily and > > > leave which can't be" > > > Also i feel that one has to strive hard for > > > spiritual progress > > > called 'Adhyatmik Purusharth'. generally people > are > > > very lazy towards > > > spiritual progress. > > > Also after a lot of questioning to people and > > > serching answers in > > > works of saints i concluded that spiritual > progress > > > is not a victim > > > of Destiny. > > > Krishna himself said in Gita "It doesn't matter > How > > > sinful a person > > > was If he comes to my shelter, gets me." > > > Thnaks and regards > > > Amit > > > > > > > > > > > > , surya > > > vishnubhotla > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > Good views Amit, > > > > > > > > But dont you think getting rid of these > imprints > > > is > > > > necessary for spiritual progress? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > You are right reaching that pure state is > the > > > way to > > > > > spirituality. > > > > > Also you mntioned abt a practiceable and > lasting > > > > > approach. > > > > > We all see that sometimes we see ourself > purer > > > than > > > > > ever... > > > > > From where this purity comes wwe do not > > > know...and > > > > > aftera time it > > > > > vanishes. > > > > > but it leaves an imprint on our heart... > > > > > a new identity of ourselve > > > > > And our behaviour ,vision changes. > > > > > this we can say spiritual progress. > > > > > but generally its very slow . > > > > > somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that > "In > > > his > > > > > life every Human > > > > > gets a chance when he feels a little of > Brahma > > > > > through his mind" > > > > > naturally our other traits,habits,emotions > > > > > overshadows the urge for > > > > > spirituality. > > > > > same way an impulse of anger also creates an > > > imprint > > > > > on heart.... > > > > > and gets counted in our identity. > > > > > I think a practiceable approch to > Spirituality > > > is to > > > > > try to vanish > > > > > these all negative traits of human nature > and > > > let > > > > > all spiritual > > > > > qualities get cultivated. > > > > > Now every one will face a totally different > > > issue in > > > > > his life. > > > > > For example practicing truthfulness and > honesty > > > may > > > > > be very easy(i am > > > > > talking in context of external circumtances) > for > > > a > > > > > person having a > > > > > life where no such situation arises to test > his > > > > > truthfulness or > > > > > honesty....on the other hand some other > person > > > works > > > > > in a corrupt > > > > > office where he has to face it everyday in > every > > > > > matter...and he has > > > > > to struggle for keeping his honesty/truth. > > > > > so all is variable. > > > > > We all are in a kind of bondage due to our > very > > > own > > > > > personal > > > > > obstructions on the path of purity > > > /spirituality. > > > > > One has to nurture his spiritual nature in > mid > > > of > > > > > day to day battle > > > > > of KARMA . > > > > > Humbly > > > > > Amit Kumar > > > > > > > > > > \, > vattem > === message truncated === Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. 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Guest guest Posted January 1, 2005 Report Share Posted January 1, 2005 Hello Suryaji, Before I post something,let me grab this opportunity to wish a successful and prosperous year of 2005. The kind of encouragement and inspiration given in your mail made me to look back into life.The discourses of Great Acharyas and the efforts being made by them to propogate the rich culture and tradition of our Society in Vedic times and it's relevance even as of date can never be discounted The topic of Sahaja Yoga is a kind of great inspiration and infact if Iam what Iam today this can be attributed to the realisation and practice of Sahaja Yoga. It is not really complex issue to be understood.Simply it means the creation of the God as Human is meant to continue the spirit of Adhyatmik Chintan.let us find if any such event in life can revive thoughts to lead us to Adhytmik Chintan.Question how ever remains to realise this core truth.Let me know tell the events of my past: As I was reviewing back my childhood,the days I have spent around Sivalayam and Venu Gopala swamy Gudi were conveying how the life was full of contentment.As I was venturing into the world some Jyotisg told me the moon in your house and the lagna lord jupiter in libra 11th will make me go around and keep me unsettled.it might be Almighty's wish that where ever I went I was really fortunate to have a temple near to my place to go and seek daily/weekly blessings.In the meantime one of the known Acharyas o and Peethadipati of a renowned peetham advised me to recite Aditya Hridayam regularly.Since then I continued to pray and recite this apart from others.Certainly, an opportunity rather a blessing to have experienced all these forms. Sahaja Yoga is what is actually in the reach of every one.But rarely the realisation that this birth is great blessing never occurs to our mind.The reason,our inner forces dormant have no such occassion to guide our ways.What has come through birth has not really been analysed and understood.Externally we remain shrouded with many many things due to which the kind of vivekata given by the Almighty was never understood. Infact today as beginning of yet another year(2005)it is apt to recollect from Gita: "He who sees inaction in action and action in action is truely wise among men.he is a true yogi even while performing all actions' Our sages have burnt down their desires in the fire of knowledge.That is how today we are able to think interms of jnanaYoga.of this sahaja yogs is only a kind of approach to realise about the real purpose and meaning of the life. Learned members.may have their own inklings and meanings of the approach of sahaja Yoga. krishnan surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: I was wondering what led you not to continue with sahaj marg? Thanks for your views Krishnanji! Surya --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > ji Amitji, > Namaskar.Even I was also for a short time in my > earlier years of life believer in sahaja > margs.Infact I attended couple of discourses and > read some material too. > Finally as of now I believe in making myself > available and help them,particularly those who have > some difficult problems in life.Miraculously things > started working in their favour.Definetely service > to and service to humanity have improved my > confidence and instilled more faith on paryers.Bit > of yoga in the early morning with prayer is the > easiest and practiceable approach to initiate the > path of spirtualism. > Iam sorry that I have intruded into your mails and > offered my views.maY I request that both of you > would bear with me? > with regards > krishnan > > amit_call <amit_call wrote: > > Dear Surya ji, > I have heard of sahaj marg. > In early days of my search for a spiritual direction > i came to know > about it. > But at that time i could not accept it > effective....Also i was in > very teen-age that time.What i said ....i said it > from my experience > i gained in my spiritual struggle.I saw a lot of Ups > and > downs ....faced a lot of confusions and tried to > resolve > them....hence could say all that. > I tried to follow Raja-Yoga .But all was very > irregular,zig-zag...in > my case. > I was not a believer of astrology... i used to > favour free will > concept very much. and i see working it dramatically > in my life. but > in last few years i was pushed to dig deep in > concept of > Predeterminism.And i saw it working dramatically > also. > Thats why i started learning astrology. > Sincerely > Amit kumar > > > > > , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Dear Amit, > > > > I am not sure if you have ever heard of Sahaj > Marg, > > per what I know their entire philosophy is devoted > to > > cleaning these footprints (called impressions by > them) > > through shakti path from a guru ... > > > > I just shared with you because I saw the > connection > > between what you said and what they believed ! > > > > > > > > --- amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ji Surya ji,getting rid of these imprints is > > > necessary for spiritual > > > progress. > > > How can we do that is a question to be answered. > > > One Person said me "First distinguish among your > > > desires.As per > > > priority choose which you can fulfill easily and > > > leave which can't be" > > > Also i feel that one has to strive hard for > > > spiritual progress > > > called 'Adhyatmik Purusharth'. generally people > are > > > very lazy towards > > > spiritual progress. > > > Also after a lot of questioning to people and > > > serching answers in > > > works of saints i concluded that spiritual > progress > > > is not a victim > > > of Destiny. > > > Krishna himself said in Gita "It doesn't matter > How > > > sinful a person > > > was If he comes to my shelter, gets me." > > > Thnaks and regards > > > Amit > > > > > > > > > > > > , surya > > > vishnubhotla > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > Good views Amit, > > > > > > > > But dont you think getting rid of these > imprints > > > is > > > > necessary for spiritual progress? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > You are right reaching that pure state is > the > > > way to > > > > > spirituality. > > > > > Also you mntioned abt a practiceable and > lasting > > > > > approach. > > > > > We all see that sometimes we see ourself > purer > > > than > > > > > ever... > > > > > From where this purity comes wwe do not > > > know...and > > > > > aftera time it > > > > > vanishes. > > > > > but it leaves an imprint on our heart... > > > > > a new identity of ourselve > > > > > And our behaviour ,vision changes. > > > > > this we can say spiritual progress. > > > > > but generally its very slow . > > > > > somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that > "In > > > his > > > > > life every Human > > > > > gets a chance when he feels a little of > Brahma > > > > > through his mind" > > > > > naturally our other traits,habits,emotions > > > > > overshadows the urge for > > > > > spirituality. > > > > > same way an impulse of anger also creates an > > > imprint > > > > > on heart.... > > > > > and gets counted in our identity. > > > > > I think a practiceable approch to > Spirituality > > > is to > > > > > try to vanish > > > > > these all negative traits of human nature > and > > > let > > > > > all spiritual > > > > > qualities get cultivated. > > > > > Now every one will face a totally different > > > issue in > > > > > his life. > > > > > For example practicing truthfulness and > honesty > > > may > > > > > be very easy(i am > > > > > talking in context of external circumtances) > for > > > a > > > > > person having a > > > > > life where no such situation arises to test > his > > > > > truthfulness or > > > > > honesty....on the other hand some other > person > > > works > > > > > in a corrupt > > > > > office where he has to face it everyday in > every > > > > > matter...and he has > > > > > to struggle for keeping his honesty/truth. > > > > > so all is variable. > > > > > We all are in a kind of bondage due to our > very > > > own > > > > > personal > > > > > obstructions on the path of purity > > > /spirituality. > > > > > One has to nurture his spiritual nature in > mid > > > of > > > > > day to day battle > > > > > of KARMA . > > > > > Humbly > > > > > Amit Kumar > > > > > > > > > > \, > vattem > === message truncated === Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. ~! 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Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Surya ji, It was my little understanding ,my confusions or the lack of conviction by the person who introduced me to sahaj marg. Actually my Spiritual life was very much irregular in terms of practices. My spiritual urges started with expressing themselves in poems offered to God and Life. I used to search answers to my questions .....obviously through contemplating on them and surfing texts,books,articles. At some time i got inspired of SWAMI VIVEKANAND.While Contemmplating on any question whenever i used to reached at some state of mind explaning the desired answer to me, very next to it i used to get the answers in His words somewhere in newsPaper/book/magazine etc. This was amazing. After some time i got inclined to raja Yoga.I practiced it for sometime.At some point of time i came in touch of a person who introduced me to Sahaj marg of Sri ramaChandra Mission. there was no special reason for not to continue with Sahaj Marg......only i was much inclined towards raja yoga at that time,I was very irregular in Practices,my immature views may be the reasons....but i do not know specifically. I didn't make much progress in Raja Yoga also. Later i myself found a Way of thinking of Sahaj Jeevan developed in me. I used to discuss these thoughts with my friends and people around and never gave attention that there are people who have a well developed Sahaj Marg. Also i found always a push towards a particular way of learning through living/folowing some practices. Now i have been pushed to learn astrology. I think the ways of practices are immaterial.....as i found myself indulged in different ways to spiritual life and got something always. Also i never chanted mantras enough but in some state i got attracted to some mantra and for a little time i chanted that and experienced its power and spiritual message. At some time i bcame devotee of shiva and at soem time of Krishna. please notice it was not a hopping of a fickle minded person..it was due to deep inspirations. this was in RAHU Mahadasha.........It gave me immense and many type of sufferings in worldly sense but many type of immense spiritual experiences finally. Thanks for sharing your experiences Krishnan ji.Will like to hear from you. Learning.......... Humbly...... Amit Kumar , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > I was wondering what led you not to continue with > sahaj marg? > > Thanks for your views Krishnanji! > > Surya > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > > ji Amitji, > > Namaskar.Even I was also for a short time in my > > earlier years of life believer in sahaja > > margs.Infact I attended couple of discourses and > > read some material too. > > Finally as of now I believe in making myself > > available and help them,particularly those who have > > some difficult problems in life.Miraculously things > > started working in their favour.Definetely service > > to and service to humanity have improved my > > confidence and instilled more faith on paryers.Bit > > of yoga in the early morning with prayer is the > > easiest and practiceable approach to initiate the > > path of spirtualism. > > Iam sorry that I have intruded into your mails and > > offered my views.maY I request that both of you > > would bear with me? > > with regards > > krishnan > > > > amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > > > Dear Surya ji, > > I have heard of sahaj marg. > > In early days of my search for a spiritual direction > > i came to know > > about it. > > But at that time i could not accept it > > effective....Also i was in > > very teen-age that time.What i said ....i said it > > from my experience > > i gained in my spiritual struggle.I saw a lot of Ups > > and > > downs ....faced a lot of confusions and tried to > > resolve > > them....hence could say all that. > > I tried to follow Raja-Yoga .But all was very > > irregular,zig-zag...in > > my case. > > I was not a believer of astrology... i used to > > favour free will > > concept very much. and i see working it dramatically > > in my life. but > > in last few years i was pushed to dig deep in > > concept of > > Predeterminism.And i saw it working dramatically > > also. > > Thats why i started learning astrology. > > Sincerely > > Amit kumar > > > > > > > > > > , surya > > vishnubhotla > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > Dear Amit, > > > > > > I am not sure if you have ever heard of Sahaj > > Marg, > > > per what I know their entire philosophy is devoted > > to > > > cleaning these footprints (called impressions by > > them) > > > through shakti path from a guru ... > > > > > > I just shared with you because I saw the > > connection > > > between what you said and what they believed ! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Ji Surya ji,getting rid of these imprints is > > > > necessary for spiritual > > > > progress. > > > > How can we do that is a question to be answered. > > > > One Person said me "First distinguish among your > > > > desires.As per > > > > priority choose which you can fulfill easily and > > > > leave which can't be" > > > > Also i feel that one has to strive hard for > > > > spiritual progress > > > > called 'Adhyatmik Purusharth'. generally people > > are > > > > very lazy towards > > > > spiritual progress. > > > > Also after a lot of questioning to people and > > > > serching answers in > > > > works of saints i concluded that spiritual > > progress > > > > is not a victim > > > > of Destiny. > > > > Krishna himself said in Gita "It doesn't matter > > How > > > > sinful a person > > > > was If he comes to my shelter, gets me." > > > > Thnaks and regards > > > > Amit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , surya > > > > vishnubhotla > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > > Good views Amit, > > > > > > > > > > But dont you think getting rid of these > > imprints > > > > is > > > > > necessary for spiritual progress? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > You are right reaching that pure state is > > the > > > > way to > > > > > > spirituality. > > > > > > Also you mntioned abt a practiceable and > > lasting > > > > > > approach. > > > > > > We all see that sometimes we see ourself > > purer > > > > than > > > > > > ever... > > > > > > From where this purity comes wwe do not > > > > know...and > > > > > > aftera time it > > > > > > vanishes. > > > > > > but it leaves an imprint on our heart... > > > > > > a new identity of ourselve > > > > > > And our behaviour ,vision changes. > > > > > > this we can say spiritual progress. > > > > > > but generally its very slow . > > > > > > somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that > > "In > > > > his > > > > > > life every Human > > > > > > gets a chance when he feels a little of > > Brahma > > > > > > through his mind" > > > > > > naturally our other traits,habits,emotions > > > > > > overshadows the urge for > > > > > > spirituality. > > > > > > same way an impulse of anger also creates an > > > > imprint > > > > > > on heart.... > > > > > > and gets counted in our identity. > > > > > > I think a practiceable approch to > > Spirituality > > > > is to > > > > > > try to vanish > > > > > > these all negative traits of human nature > > and > > > > let > > > > > > all spiritual > > > > > > qualities get cultivated. > > > > > > Now every one will face a totally different > > > > issue in > > > > > > his life. > > > > > > For example practicing truthfulness and > > honesty > > > > may > > > > > > be very easy(i am > > > > > > talking in context of external circumtances) > > for > > > > a > > > > > > person having a > > > > > > life where no such situation arises to test > > his > > > > > > truthfulness or > > > > > > honesty....on the other hand some other > > person > > > > works > > > > > > in a corrupt > > > > > > office where he has to face it everyday in > > every > > > > > > matter...and he has > > > > > > to struggle for keeping his honesty/truth. > > > > > > so all is variable. > > > > > > We all are in a kind of bondage due to our > > very > > > > own > > > > > > personal > > > > > > obstructions on the path of purity > > > > /spirituality. > > > > > > One has to nurture his spiritual nature in > > mid > > > > of > > > > > > day to day battle > > > > > > of KARMA . > > > > > > Humbly > > > > > > Amit Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > \, > > vattem > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Dera Shri Amitji, Creation of this univers as well as all living being are endowed with the Shaj Marg.But then if we have to consider ouraelves either to improve our previous karmas or to erode them further,there will be deviance in the thoughts and the balance either way distrubs the way of sahaj marg.Certainly those sukarmas contribute to: "people who have a well developed Sahaj Marg". For ex in my own case I was passing through Rahu dasa.My rahu is placed with mars in 6th in Taurus. It brought me a good image, a sports and athletic bent also a fear of unknown.As I was entering into Jupiter dasa certainly some shocks in life and took me to a place where I was to get involved in a development(including construction) of a temple and before that a great opportunity to be in the vicinity of agreat Peethadhipati.From then on wards the progress of life and including frequent vists to the Lord Balaji at the Seven Hills made different impact.i do not know whether it brought a kind of awakening of the spirit of Sahaja marg.I can only say it have a great positive impact despite the fact of facing turbulence in life events. Now a days a day will not pass without a prayer and bowing down before the Supreem Lord and nearness of my residence to temples leads me to pay my obeissance to these lords. Life is really a different melody as I crave to listen to Vishnu Sahasranamam of late M.S every day morning 7.30 A.M before I leave to my work place. God is Kind krishnan amit_call <amit_call wrote: Surya ji, It was my little understanding ,my confusions or the lack of conviction by the person who introduced me to sahaj marg. Actually my Spiritual life was very much irregular in terms of practices. My spiritual urges started with expressing themselves in poems offered to God and Life. I used to search answers to my questions .....obviously through contemplating on them and surfing texts,books,articles. At some time i got inspired of SWAMI VIVEKANAND.While Contemmplating on any question whenever i used to reached at some state of mind explaning the desired answer to me, very next to it i used to get the answers in His words somewhere in newsPaper/book/magazine etc. This was amazing. After some time i got inclined to raja Yoga.I practiced it for sometime.At some point of time i came in touch of a person who introduced me to Sahaj marg of Sri ramaChandra Mission. there was no special reason for not to continue with Sahaj Marg......only i was much inclined towards raja yoga at that time,I was very irregular in Practices,my immature views may be the reasons....but i do not know specifically. I didn't make much progress in Raja Yoga also. Later i myself found a Way of thinking of Sahaj Jeevan developed in me. I used to discuss these thoughts with my friends and people around and never gave attention that there are people who have a well developed Sahaj Marg. Also i found always a push towards a particular way of learning through living/folowing some practices. Now i have been pushed to learn astrology. I think the ways of practices are immaterial.....as i found myself indulged in different ways to spiritual life and got something always. Also i never chanted mantras enough but in some state i got attracted to some mantra and for a little time i chanted that and experienced its power and spiritual message. At some time i bcame devotee of shiva and at soem time of Krishna. please notice it was not a hopping of a fickle minded person..it was due to deep inspirations. this was in RAHU Mahadasha.........It gave me immense and many type of sufferings in worldly sense but many type of immense spiritual experiences finally. Thanks for sharing your experiences Krishnan ji.Will like to hear from you. Learning.......... Humbly...... Amit Kumar , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > I was wondering what led you not to continue with > sahaj marg? > > Thanks for your views Krishnanji! > > Surya > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > > ji Amitji, > > Namaskar.Even I was also for a short time in my > > earlier years of life believer in sahaja > > margs.Infact I attended couple of discourses and > > read some material too. > > Finally as of now I believe in making myself > > available and help them,particularly those who have > > some difficult problems in life.Miraculously things > > started working in their favour.Definetely service > > to and service to humanity have improved my > > confidence and instilled more faith on paryers.Bit > > of yoga in the early morning with prayer is the > > easiest and practiceable approach to initiate the > > path of spirtualism. > > Iam sorry that I have intruded into your mails and > > offered my views.maY I request that both of you > > would bear with me? > > with regards > > krishnan > > > > amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > > > Dear Surya ji, > > I have heard of sahaj marg. > > In early days of my search for a spiritual direction > > i came to know > > about it. > > But at that time i could not accept it > > effective....Also i was in > > very teen-age that time.What i said ....i said it > > from my experience > > i gained in my spiritual struggle.I saw a lot of Ups > > and > > downs ....faced a lot of confusions and tried to > > resolve > > them....hence could say all that. > > I tried to follow Raja-Yoga .But all was very > > irregular,zig-zag...in > > my case. > > I was not a believer of astrology... i used to > > favour free will > > concept very much. and i see working it dramatically > > in my life. but > > in last few years i was pushed to dig deep in > > concept of > > Predeterminism.And i saw it working dramatically > > also. > > Thats why i started learning astrology. > > Sincerely > > Amit kumar > > > > > > > > > > , surya > > vishnubhotla > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > Dear Amit, > > > > > > I am not sure if you have ever heard of Sahaj > > Marg, > > > per what I know their entire philosophy is devoted > > to > > > cleaning these footprints (called impressions by > > them) > > > through shakti path from a guru ... > > > > > > I just shared with you because I saw the > > connection > > > between what you said and what they believed ! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Ji Surya ji,getting rid of these imprints is > > > > necessary for spiritual > > > > progress. > > > > How can we do that is a question to be answered. > > > > One Person said me "First distinguish among your > > > > desires.As per > > > > priority choose which you can fulfill easily and > > > > leave which can't be" > > > > Also i feel that one has to strive hard for > > > > spiritual progress > > > > called 'Adhyatmik Purusharth'. generally people > > are > > > > very lazy towards > > > > spiritual progress. > > > > Also after a lot of questioning to people and > > > > serching answers in > > > > works of saints i concluded that spiritual > > progress > > > > is not a victim > > > > of Destiny. > > > > Krishna himself said in Gita "It doesn't matter > > How > > > > sinful a person > > > > was If he comes to my shelter, gets me." > > > > Thnaks and regards > > > > Amit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , surya > > > > vishnubhotla > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > > Good views Amit, > > > > > > > > > > But dont you think getting rid of these > > imprints > > > > is > > > > > necessary for spiritual progress? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- amit_call <amit_call> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishnan ji, > > > > > > You are right reaching that pure state is > > the > > > > way to > > > > > > spirituality. > > > > > > Also you mntioned abt a practiceable and > > lasting > > > > > > approach. > > > > > > We all see that sometimes we see ourself > > purer > > > > than > > > > > > ever... > > > > > > From where this purity comes wwe do not > > > > know...and > > > > > > aftera time it > > > > > > vanishes. > > > > > > but it leaves an imprint on our heart... > > > > > > a new identity of ourselve > > > > > > And our behaviour ,vision changes. > > > > > > this we can say spiritual progress. > > > > > > but generally its very slow . > > > > > > somewhere in books of Yoga i have read that > > "In > > > > his > > > > > > life every Human > > > > > > gets a chance when he feels a little of > > Brahma > > > > > > through his mind" > > > > > > naturally our other traits,habits,emotions > > > > > > overshadows the urge for > > > > > > spirituality. > > > > > > same way an impulse of anger also creates an > > > > imprint > > > > > > on heart.... > > > > > > and gets counted in our identity. > > > > > > I think a practiceable approch to > > Spirituality > > > > is to > > > > > > try to vanish > > > > > > these all negative traits of human nature > > and > > > > let > > > > > > all spiritual > > > > > > qualities get cultivated. > > > > > > Now every one will face a totally different > > > > issue in > > > > > > his life. > > > > > > For example practicing truthfulness and > > honesty > > > > may > > > > > > be very easy(i am > > > > > > talking in context of external circumtances) > > for > > > > a > > > > > > person having a > > > > > > life where no such situation arises to test > > his > > > > > > truthfulness or > > > > > > honesty....on the other hand some other > > person > > > > works > > > > > > in a corrupt > > > > > > office where he has to face it everyday in > > every > > > > > > matter...and he has > > > > > > to struggle for keeping his honesty/truth. > > > > > > so all is variable. > > > > > > We all are in a kind of bondage due to our > > very > > > > own > > > > > > personal > > > > > > obstructions on the path of purity > > > > /spirituality. > > > > > > One has to nurture his spiritual nature in > > mid > > > > of > > > > > > day to day battle > > > > > > of KARMA . > > > > > > Humbly > > > > > > Amit Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > \, > > vattem > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. > ~! 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