Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Guru rightly called as devaguru according to hindu mythology is said to have performed penance to lord siva for 1000 years to become a planet, just think all the malefic influences of any planet just is just shielded with the power of a benefic guru, thinking scientifically life on earth was possible only because jupiter the biggest planet shielded it from asteroids and deadly meteors. No wonder guru is the most powerful planet. Thanks. Raghu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Please give us a bit more. Mythological lores aside, please tell us how have you found (benefic)jupiter to be the most powerful planet in horoscopes of nativities? It is perplexing but even though we use the physical coordinates of the planets for drawing charts, perhaps the metaphor must stop there. The (astrologically) sweet venus planet is full of sulphuric acid fumes, mercury is anything but gentle and cool. Venus is hotter than mars, and saturn is too slow moving to explain the sharp slaps it gives us, same is true for the relatively slow nodes (physically slow but not generally so, astrologically). And yes, sun is truly hot, mars is literally full of iron and earth, the most beautiful of them all, and the most lovely and lively, hardly shows up in the astrological framework, other than being the alter-ego of what we call the astrological sun! I am sorry for running across your grain but not sorry at all, if I am destroying anyone's innocence (not necessarily yours). RR , "Raghu" <raghu_tillu> wrote: > > Guru rightly called as devaguru according to hindu mythology is said > to have performed penance to lord siva for 1000 years to become a > planet, just think all the malefic influences of any planet just is > just shielded with the power of a benefic guru, thinking > scientifically life on earth was possible only because jupiter the > biggest planet shielded it from asteroids and deadly meteors. > > No wonder guru is the most powerful planet. > > Thanks. > Raghu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 ROHINI JI, are you suggesting that we should ascertain the effects of the planets according to their chemical composition and physical attributes rather than their nature explained by the sages. is there a doubt that all the metafors are there to explain the actual effect the various planets have on life or conditions on mother earth,don't we find them serving their purpose in quite a satisfying way. astronomy might prove that mercury is a half molten planet,mars akin to earth,saturn being gaseous and so on and so forth but does that have any bearing on the astrological attributes that have been given to them. thanx sharma. , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > Please give us a bit more. Mythological lores aside, please tell us > how have you found (benefic)jupiter to be the most powerful planet in > horoscopes of nativities? > > It is perplexing but even though we use the physical coordinates of > the planets for drawing charts, perhaps the metaphor must stop there. > The (astrologically) sweet venus planet is full of sulphuric acid > fumes, mercury is anything but gentle and cool. Venus is hotter than > mars, and saturn is too slow moving to explain the sharp slaps it > gives us, same is true for the relatively slow nodes (physically slow > but not generally so, astrologically). > > And yes, sun is truly hot, mars is literally full of iron and earth, > the most beautiful of them all, and the most lovely and lively, > hardly shows up in the astrological framework, other than being the > alter-ego of what we call the astrological sun! > > I am sorry for running across your grain but not sorry at all, if I > am destroying anyone's innocence (not necessarily yours). > > RR > > > > > , "Raghu" <raghu_tillu> > wrote: > > > > Guru rightly called as devaguru according to hindu mythology is said > > to have performed penance to lord siva for 1000 years to become a > > planet, just think all the malefic influences of any planet just is > > just shielded with the power of a benefic guru, thinking > > scientifically life on earth was possible only because jupiter the > > biggest planet shielded it from asteroids and deadly meteors. > > > > No wonder guru is the most powerful planet. > > > > Thanks. > > Raghu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Oh dear NO! Quite the contrary was my suggestion :-) That is why I wrote "... the metaphor must stop there". There being the astronomical coordinates (for placing planets in charts) and then the symbolism of personified planets takes over. , "pappu_sharma545" <pappu_sharma545> wrote: > > ROHINI JI, > are you suggesting that we should ascertain the effects of the > planets according to their chemical composition and physical > attributes rather than their nature explained by the sages. > is there a doubt that all the metafors are there to explain the > actual effect the various planets have on life or conditions on > mother earth,don't we find them serving their purpose in quite a > satisfying way. > astronomy might prove that mercury is a half molten planet,mars > akin to earth,saturn being gaseous and so on and so forth but does > that have any bearing on the astrological attributes that have been > given to them. > thanx sharma. > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > > > Please give us a bit more. Mythological lores aside, please tell us > > how have you found (benefic)jupiter to be the most powerful planet > in > > horoscopes of nativities? > > > > It is perplexing but even though we use the physical coordinates of > > the planets for drawing charts, perhaps the metaphor must stop > there. > > The (astrologically) sweet venus planet is full of sulphuric acid > > fumes, mercury is anything but gentle and cool. Venus is hotter > than > > mars, and saturn is too slow moving to explain the sharp slaps it > > gives us, same is true for the relatively slow nodes (physically > slow > > but not generally so, astrologically). > > > > And yes, sun is truly hot, mars is literally full of iron and > earth, > > the most beautiful of them all, and the most lovely and lively, > > hardly shows up in the astrological framework, other than being the > > alter-ego of what we call the astrological sun! > > > > I am sorry for running across your grain but not sorry at all, if I > > am destroying anyone's innocence (not necessarily yours). > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , "Raghu" <raghu_tillu> > > wrote: > > > > > > Guru rightly called as devaguru according to hindu mythology is > said > > > to have performed penance to lord siva for 1000 years to become a > > > planet, just think all the malefic influences of any planet just > is > > > just shielded with the power of a benefic guru, thinking > > > scientifically life on earth was possible only because jupiter the > > > biggest planet shielded it from asteroids and deadly meteors. > > > > > > No wonder guru is the most powerful planet. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > Raghu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Mr Ranjan, excuse me but I did not get by what you meant, did you mean the physical properties of the planet such as venus etc based on the distance from the sun? the reason I said was guru acts a benefic not only according to the the hindu astrological reasons but scientifically aslo it acts as a shield against deadly meteors and comets. Thanks. Raghu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 I was expressing the view that while astrology must depend on the material reality of the planets, such as the actual position of the 'bodies' against the zodiac (this is how we get the spashtas), we should then leave the other material properties of the planets and begin treating them as symbols with properties and attributes as described in astrological texts. There would be some similarities, such as mars does appear reddish, jupiter does appear yellow, moon is the fastest body (and so might lunar influences be in astrology), and so on, but we should not read too much in the physical properties of the planets themselves when using them in the astrological framework. Planets have been depicted in texts as devas, personified energies. Perhaps that might be a bit too rich for some, but again that was the way that ancient writers expressed themselves and it is an effective way of remembering the rules and attributes for astrological purposes as well. The problem starts when people begin to take these too literally? Bot the physical/observable/measurable attributes (venus is full of sulphuric acid fumes, for instance) or that that hurling ball of gases out there (jupiter) is LITERALLY the teacher or gods. These facts and factoids are like food. Essential for getting the energy to make life possible, but the food itself is not the energy, just as the battery is not electricity. As sources, they are indispensible, just as the way the planets are described in texts is essential (for understanding, remembering, applying). Hope this makes a tad more sense? RR , "Raghu" <raghu_tillu> wrote: > > Mr Ranjan, > > excuse me but I did not get by what you meant, did you mean the > physical properties of the planet such as venus etc based on the > distance from the sun? the reason I said was guru acts a benefic not > only according to the the hindu astrological reasons but > scientifically aslo it acts as a shield against deadly meteors and > comets. > > > Thanks. > Raghu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 Dear Mr Ranjan "for astrological purposes as well". we have a system in which Sun along with others constitute a planetary cabinet assuming the rulership of the university with each planets at it's command having limitless energy and in a constant state of motion undergoing various transformations in the energy levels.This system has a perfect balance and has the potentiality to make very living being to exist. 'when using them in the astrological framework'. and understand their significance. These celestial bodies constitutions are outside the frame work of science but part of Nature. Nature here I mean for sakshat viswaroop of sremannarayana having no doubt about the capabilities to influence the human kind. sincerely krishnan rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: I was expressing the view that while astrology must depend on the material reality of the planets, such as the actual position of the 'bodies' against the zodiac (this is how we get the spashtas), we should then leave the other material properties of the planets and begin treating them as symbols with properties and attributes as described in astrological texts. There would be some similarities, such as mars does appear reddish, jupiter does appear yellow, moon is the fastest body (and so might lunar influences be in astrology), and so on, but we should not read too much in the physical properties of the planets themselves when using them in the astrological framework. Planets have been depicted in texts as devas, personified energies. Perhaps that might be a bit too rich for some, but again that was the way that ancient writers expressed themselves and it is an effective way of remembering the rules and attributes for astrological purposes as well. The problem starts when people begin to take these too literally? Bot the physical/observable/measurable attributes (venus is full of sulphuric acid fumes, for instance) or that that hurling ball of gases out there (jupiter) is LITERALLY the teacher or gods. These facts and factoids are like food. Essential for getting the energy to make life possible, but the food itself is not the energy, just as the battery is not electricity. As sources, they are indispensible, just as the way the planets are described in texts is essential (for understanding, remembering, applying). Hope this makes a tad more sense? RR , "Raghu" <raghu_tillu> wrote: > > Mr Ranjan, > > excuse me but I did not get by what you meant, did you mean the > physical properties of the planet such as venus etc based on the > distance from the sun? the reason I said was guru acts a benefic not > only according to the the hindu astrological reasons but > scientifically aslo it acts as a shield against deadly meteors and > comets. > > > Thanks. > Raghu ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / Read only the mail you want - Mail SpamGuard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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