ADMIN: Blaming religions

January 12, 2005

Hello Tanvir:

Some clarification:

1) I didn't start "Islam is the greatest religion" thread, someone

else did.

2) I asked a simple question to this person as to why are all these

atrocities committed world-wide in name of Islam and why isn't he

(this person who posted) preaching the greatness of Islam to the

Islamics who're committing such atrocities. I've said nothing

blasphemous or slanderous about Islam in my question--re-read my

question.

3) You have no clue as to my relationship with Narasimha, Sanjay

Rath, and other world renowned Vedic astrologers in the world. If I

wish I can began posting on Narasimha's board anyday, but I

deliberately choose not to as I time and again end up using it as a

platform to canvas against the spread of Islamic atrocities, Un-

Indian activities in Hindustan via illegal and unethical means

employed by the Islamics.

4) As to my note to you about a year back which you described

as "brutal." That note has nothing to do with this thread. My note

was in response to an arrogant statement made by you.

5) This is your board, you can ban me from this board if you wish,

there are many more vibrant Vedic astrology boards who'd love to have

me participate. My ONLY attraction to this board is that Mr. Rohini

Ranjan whom I greatly respect as an astrologer and former peers

from "Astroexperts" write on this board. I come here to read their

writings.

Mukund

, "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

wrote:

> Hello everyone

>

> Some discussions about religions (Islam) is here for a while. This

is, surely, totally uncalled for. This is a place to discuss Vedic

Astrology. Hindu religion is very closely related to the same that is

why some discussion of it is good. But it is not for a discussion on

Islam esp. when not relating to astrology and also when blaming it

for terrorism etc.

>

> This is an international forum for all nationals and religions and

this is very obvious that when a Hindu will blame Islam for anything

then the Muslim will blame Hinduism too. That is a very natural

reaction. But that serves us no purpose and is not our aim.

>

> As Mr. Pankaj pointed out there is no religion that promotes or

encourages terrorism. And even the one who is the hero of this thread

(Named Mukund) has written in his mail, "Why people killed IN NAME OF

ISLAM." So this means Islam is not doing this but this is done for

the name of Islam - it is just the very persons responsibility for

doing so and Islam can not be blamed for doing this. Any of you

d to other list will knoe his behaviour well. A very

quarrelsome person - he was given warning of being banned in Vedic-

Astrology list for about 100 times each time being "last warning" and

now his posting ability is disabled there. The moderator Narasimha Ji

is indeed very broad hearted and kind person that is why he could

tolerate it for a long time. This person also offended me with brutal

language when I sympathised for his three divorce in life, and I did

not just respond because I do not care such things and do not like to

be hero through stabbing each other, and it was the previous day when

I was going India for something good. So I really did not care. But

he was moderated recently, and I approved his message for I let you

know what he is.

>

> Anyway.

>

> Personally I have noted (always) that there is a good distance

between Hindus and Muslims and they carry total wrong impressions

about each other - it has been there for long. Being a Muslim I have

seen many Muslims think that Hindus are "mean" and "promotes

conspiracy" and I have also seen many Hindus think that Muslims

are "brutal" and "terrorists" and "ferocious" and so on. Needless to

say, none of these are true. This impression are created by a group

of people who take the advantage of Hindu-Muslim fight. This

impression is far from reality.

>

> I have seen Islam to be blamed as 'The religion of sword', since

Prophet Muhammad had to fight a lot. The prejudice impression about

the wars for Islam creates the impression of terrorism, that Muhammad

was a terrorist, a brutal fighter, killed many people etc etc. Then,

when at last Muhammad invaded Mecca with 10,000 army and people did

not even dare to fight back but surrendered, why did not he kill

anyone? Why he said that today you all are free and there is no

charge against you? If he was brutal he wouldnt lose the chance to

take revenge for what people done with him. No historist can deny

this fact. No one can change the history. Anyone who'd study such

Islamic history (Wrote by even non muslims) can know that there was

no wars promoted by Muhammad but he only fought when he had no

choice. When he started to spread Islam he was tortured, beaten to

blood by a lot of people which he never fought back. These are all

true. And even since his boyhood, long before he became prophet, all

used to call him 'The Trustworthy' (Al-Amin) and this fact no one can

deny.

>

> Religions have rules and regulations and a group of people

misinterprete, and misuse them to give bad names to it.

>

> Still, there is a lot of rules in Islam that I personally do not

like, or follow. But it does not mean anything. Those rules were

needed for that age, that area, that situation. As an example I can

say Islam approves for physical punishment to wife by husband in

certain conditions. In this age, this is brutal, and I do not support

this. But then, it does not really prove Islam to be brutal, for it

was necessary for that age since then women had no literacy, so it

was very necessary that they obey husbands - and it still is the

tradition and expected in this sub continent - India, Bangladesh,

Pakistan etc.

>

> When a group of wicked people become busy to find such faults of

Islam then Muslims also become busy in finding faults of Hinduism

just like burning the wife in husbands death-ceremony (Sati Dah) and

such things, also like a wife can never marry and resettle if her

husband dies.

>

> I wonder which Hindu lady today will show respect to Hinduism by

obeying this Sati Daha and Saha Maran and which Muslim lady today

will respect Islam by allowing her husband to punish her physically?

>

> If we find faults like this millions of faults of each religion can

be found. And no religion can be qualified.

>

> And these so called brutal cultures do not really prove the

religions to be brutal. Because as I said, I believe those rules were

very appropriate for the age when they were made.

>

> And I also wonder who would support the caste system these days

that one born to a lower caste should always clean toilets and do

such works for all life even having much talent and skills? Who would

support this system? Even today, many guardians follow this system

and I know a lot of, a lot of failure of relationship for this.

Really painful. But I am sure in those days it was necessary to

maintain discipline in the society.

>

> Similarly Islam approves a husband to marry again without divocing

the 1st wife and without a permission from him. This is what I do not

think to be fair and do not like.

>

> So millions of so called "faults" can be found out of religions.

But they are not really faults, but they are not just appropriate or

suitable for today. This is because our social pattern, life, views,

values everything changed totally since those days. And this change

is a must and is the way we are developing. And this is practically

true that in this modern life we can not really follow the religion

in proper way, for our social and professional life pattern. For this

reason 9th houe of religion is the 12th house (loss hosue) to the

10th house of worldly activities. So it is even astrologically true

that we are unable to maintain religion for our worldly life since it

is just being very hard for the differences of the two.

>

> So personally, I respect all religions. Being born in Muslim family

I do not really say Islam is not perfect and Hinduism is all bad.

That's not true. Each religion is beautiful subject to how you live

it. But each religion might be very bad if you try to find it's

faults.

>

> I know one teacher of me who is a Hindu, and was saying one day, "I

like Islam for it is very fair about male-female behaviour, our

Krishna did some Leela's etc that I do not like."

>

> I was very stunned. Because the Rasa-Leela of Krishna and Gopis had

some other meanings, some divinity was in it. But my teacher, not

even knowing or realizing it, simply took it was an ordinary male-

female mockery !

>

> So, it shows our lack of knowledge, lack of understanding that

creates a wrong impression about the whole thing. In modern life we

do not, or can not know enough of it, the real of it and so out of

prejudice, we start saying things. This is very bad.

>

> And after the event within 2 months the teacher's mother died. To

me it is for bad mouthing Lord Krishna without knowing, for Krishna

rules Moon and in a chart Moon rules Mother. bad mouthing of a

religion weakens the 9th house which signifies religion in a chart,

but also the most important house in the chart for happiness, overall

prosperity, protection etc. So I really do not like bad mouthing or

saying ill of a religion.

>

> It also have to be noted that it is just the will of God in which

religion you are born and follow it. If a Hindu were born in Muslim

family he'd love Islam likes he today loves Hinduism. And if a Muslim

were born in Hindu family then he'd love Hinduism like he loves

Islam. So, this is just the will of god. And, why blaming and

grouping people for what only God is responsible?

>

> I personally use "Namaste" (Hindu greeting style) while talking to

respected Hindu people and know a few learned Hindu people who

use "salam" (Muslim greetings) with me just for they know I am

Muslim. When they use "salam" it does not mean that they are inferior

to me or I shall kill them for not doing so. But it indeed is just

the hallmard of their broadness showing they respect my religious

culture. But, some people can never understand that. Because not all

are of the same level of humanity and manners.

>

> So, this is the end of the story. Enough discussion on religions.

Let us focuss to our concerned subject only. Subject to future

behaviour Mukund will be removed or banned from this list. (He is

already moderated.)

>

> Thanks,

> Tanvir

>

> Founder and Owner

> Jyotish Remedies forum

>

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>

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remedies

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>

January 12, 2005

Listen Mr Mukund :

=========================

1) I didn't start "Islam is the greatest religion" thread, someone

else did.

=========================

So what can be implied by this? The posting is irrelevant, but does not

deserve a banning or something. This forum is for Vedic Astrology, closely

related to Hinduism. That is why some discussion of Hinduism will be

necessary and that is welcome. But there are a lot of threads relating to

Hinduism only and not relating to Jyotish in any way posted in this board

that I never point out but read with joy to acquire knowledge. And similarly

in this forum of Astrology if someone posts a message of Islam I can only

alert him/her at the best. I would do so, but as all see, it did not even

need me because you were there to question it and start a thread. An

uncalled for message can be just ignored over the head but it is you who

starts a thread of debate out of it.

The message is not appropriate, but what it has so strong to hit you to the

ground that you had to question it offhand? And if the message is

inappropriate and you were hit by it severely then why did not you write to

the poster to his email address, and instead why did you have to question it

here in this forum making the inappropriate thread even longer? And what is

your problem if someone thinks Islam is good religion? Did he insult

Hinduism some way saying Islam is better than Hinduism or something?

===================================

2) I asked a simple question to this person as to why are all these

atrocities committed world-wide in name of Islam and why isn't he

(this person who posted) preaching the greatness of Islam to the

Islamics who're committing such atrocities. I've said nothing

blasphemous or slanderous about Islam in my question--re-read my

question.

===================================

Now listen the answer from me : Any crime done in the *NAME OF ANYTHING*

does not involve the phenomena you are *NAMING*. Neither law, nor simple

common sense grants it, and that is enough. Islamic scriptures did not

encourage killing. In our country a Hindu political leader said in open,

"The Kali ma would not arise unless we take their blood and bathe Kali ma

with it." But it does not mean that all Hindu people intends to bathe

Goddess Kali with human blood. A criminal is only a criminal, he can not be

a Hindu, a Muslim, a Christian or anything. If a criminal hits WTC saying he

is killing Christians and fighting for Islam then that it means he is sick,

and the action is his personal responsibility only.

===================================

3) You have no clue as to my relationship with Narasimha, Sanjay

Rath, and other world renowned Vedic astrologers in the world. If I

wish I can began posting on Narasimha's board anyday, but I

deliberately choose not to as I time and again end up using it as a

platform to canvas against the spread of Islamic atrocities, Un-

Indian activities in Hindustan via illegal and unethical means

employed by the Islamics.

===================================

I, in no way, have any interest in knowing what relationship you have with

Narasimha Ji or anyone else. I admire him as an extremely knowledgeable, and

humble, polite person and he was always kind enough to reply me whenever I

mailed him personally about a mantra or something.

Now listen from me : You do not have even an idea of what is respect, that

is why you are saying all these. When I said that you are warned by

Narasimha Ji then I wanted to point out the fact of your arrogance and

ill-manners THAT IS WHY he had to warn you over and over, which proves your

way of behaviour and interaction. If you have a great relationship with him

then it does NOT change the fact that you were warned for your ill-manners,

but it is a matter of more pity and shame for you that a gentleman like him

had to warn a person with whom he have a good relationship. Because if he

has a good relationship then it is hard for him to take action against you

but your mannerless attitute totally forced him to do so and that is more

shame for you that even he was forced to take action against someone he has

a good relationship with.

And now also listen : If you start posting there from right now and post

10,000 msg per day, it does not prove anything about YOU, but it only proves

Narasimha Ji's broadness and forgiveness. It is not a credit of you, but

proof of his forgiveness. Is that clear? To be warned in a public forum over

and over is great shame/embarrassment, and proves your hallmark of

behaviour, that is what I was pointing out. You just do not even understand

the whole point and start talking about the close relationship and being

able to post.

I can show a lot of messages and your quotations to show your curtious

behaviour and comments where you are after other people in all rudeness,

harshness just out of any reason and simply out of nothing. And each time

you were warned by Narasimha Ji that you will be "thrown away" etc etc but

you do not feel the slightest ashamed of this, and you do not even realize

the shame of it, and the fact that your attitute needs to be corrected.

Rather you start talking about close relationships etc.

I can also remember of an event clearly where there was a discussion about

the dignity of Shaiva and Vaishnav, where you, out of no where, started

making comments like, "What is the crap for fighting among ourselves, why

not taking actions against Muslims..." etc etc- I can not quote it exactly.

It was a discussion about Shaiva and Vaishnava, where you, out of nowhere,

popped up and started talking ill of Muslims out of all sudden.

This shows a serious hatred you carry against Muslims (regardless the

person, personality etc.) showing your true mentality and this perfectly

explains why the praise of Islam hit you so hardly.

=====================================

4) As to my note to you about a year back which you described

as "brutal." That note has nothing to do with this thread. My note

was in response to an arrogant statement made by you.

=====================================

Who are you to define *arrogant* or the scale of arrogance where you

yourself lack in necessary manners and thrown out of lists? Show me a list

that kicked me out or show me a moderator that at least warned me. I do not

even have some 10% of the bitter argument with others of what YOU do. These

days I can not find time to write but in one period I used to participate a

lot but not even then. I know very well what I am. When someone deserves

respect I offer him the same that I am appreciated for. And of course, I

need to behave as per whom I am interacting with.

And now listen : The concerned message was posted here in public and

everyone read it, and saw if I was arrogant. I was only expressing my

sympathy for your continuous marriage breakups and just conveyed the sense

that even though you tried many remedies, there is nothing to be hopeless

because it has cure - just you can not find. And I still stand for my answer

that God forgives when one deserves and he did not give a problem without

solution, because all of these are under his administration and control and

a problem without solution just means God himself can not solve it, which is

not possible. I said the solution is out of your reach and that is true. I

never said that I can solve it or consult me for that or such things.

Suddenly you become all crazy and start offering me a list of Jyotish

techniques you know. And now listen, I can list a row of techniques about

400% bigger than that which I KNOW and can answer questions related to it in

a live viva. The techniques you mentioned are frequently discussed in Sanjay

Ji's lists and anyone following the mails will know about them. But it is

the matter of how much you grasp it and how much of it you can apply in real

charts with success. Otherwise just buying and reading books will produce

great astrologers who would just memorize the theories.

And now also listen : I have my complete and own approach to study

horoscopes which is still not fully feveloped but have acquired good

success. And do listen that I have my complete own sort of theories that I

develop slowly and slowly but still not fully develope and whatever

techniques I apply, I use it, rectify it, master it and only then. Not I

memorize theories and start claiming that I know a lot. And I never speak

anything of my knowledge or anything, but just today I am enough pissed of

that is why. And people who have studied / discussed me in private knows if

I am taking baby steps or what steps. In one post you send me a list of

theories and in some other post you admit to someone that you are just

trying to learn. Good example of being humble, I must say.

And now, as you say you have got mantras from many yogis and manythings,

your problems were not gone. That is TRUE. And know from me that it will be

there. It is not that you do not fix yourself and feel regretful for what

you did, and still fool your karma, or fool God this easily. God watches

everything and he knows the way you feel or think, and unless you change

from inside no remedies will work, and you will be like this. You continue

being what you are, you continue getting what you get.

====================================

5) This is your board, you can ban me from this board if you wish,

there are many more vibrant Vedic astrology boards who'd love to have

me participate. My ONLY attraction to this board is that Mr. Rohini

Ranjan whom I greatly respect as an astrologer and former peers

from "Astroexperts" write on this board. I come here to read their

writings.

====================================

That is my real pleasure to know that many vibrant boards yearn your

participation. Subscribers of Vedic-Astrology list already know that very

well and also how many people have expressed strong disgust against you for

what Narasimha Ji continuously had to warn you. I might belong to a religion

of brutal crimes but what is about him? Is he also wrong to warn you, or to

disable your posting? In any forum I see 500% disturbance by you in

comparing to what you seem to contribute. I see one frustrated student

asking about his exam and you writing a LONG MAIL saying he will pass if he

studies some 10-12 hrs. And even you yourself acknowledge later that you

were being sarcastic. So, this all the participating all the vibrant lists

look for form you, but only you do not wish to participate. I have to say

many people are safe, sound, troublefree and happy in those lists as long as

you keep this wish.

What can not happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies

Where relief and solutions are found

January 12, 2005

Hello Tanvir:

You missed the point of my last mail. My point was that you and Laiba

Khan jumped all over me, yet, neither you nor she (he?) said a word

of caution to the person who posted religious propaganda on a Jyotish

discussion board.

You say you find me disgusting, yet, you've read EVERY post on EVERY

discussion group that I've made. I think you're secretly attracted to

me in non-sexual/non-romantic way.

Good luck to you and this board. For the next few months, I'll be

travelling/living in areas without internet access so won't be able

to visit you or reply you on this board. Enjoy, have fun and make a

few bucks along the way.

Bye.

Mukund

, "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

wrote:

> Listen Mr Mukund :

>

> =========================

> 1) I didn't start "Islam is the greatest religion" thread, someone

> else did.

> =========================

>

> So what can be implied by this? The posting is irrelevant, but does

not

> deserve a banning or something. This forum is for Vedic Astrology,

closely

> related to Hinduism. That is why some discussion of Hinduism will be

> necessary and that is welcome. But there are a lot of threads

relating to

> Hinduism only and not relating to Jyotish in any way posted in this

board

> that I never point out but read with joy to acquire knowledge. And

similarly

> in this forum of Astrology if someone posts a message of Islam I

can only

> alert him/her at the best. I would do so, but as all see, it did

not even

> need me because you were there to question it and start a thread. An

> uncalled for message can be just ignored over the head but it is

you who

> starts a thread of debate out of it.

>

> The message is not appropriate, but what it has so strong to hit

you to the

> ground that you had to question it offhand? And if the message is

> inappropriate and you were hit by it severely then why did not you

write to

> the poster to his email address, and instead why did you have to

question it

> here in this forum making the inappropriate thread even longer? And

what is

> your problem if someone thinks Islam is good religion? Did he insult

> Hinduism some way saying Islam is better than Hinduism or something?

>

> ===================================

> 2) I asked a simple question to this person as to why are all these

> atrocities committed world-wide in name of Islam and why isn't he

> (this person who posted) preaching the greatness of Islam to the

> Islamics who're committing such atrocities. I've said nothing

> blasphemous or slanderous about Islam in my question--re-read my

> question.

> ===================================

>

> Now listen the answer from me : Any crime done in the *NAME OF

ANYTHING*

> does not involve the phenomena you are *NAMING*. Neither law, nor

simple

> common sense grants it, and that is enough. Islamic scriptures did

not

> encourage killing. In our country a Hindu political leader said in

open,

> "The Kali ma would not arise unless we take their blood and bathe

Kali ma

> with it." But it does not mean that all Hindu people intends to

bathe

> Goddess Kali with human blood. A criminal is only a criminal, he

can not be

> a Hindu, a Muslim, a Christian or anything. If a criminal hits WTC

saying he

> is killing Christians and fighting for Islam then that it means he

is sick,

> and the action is his personal responsibility only.

>

> ===================================

> 3) You have no clue as to my relationship with Narasimha, Sanjay

> Rath, and other world renowned Vedic astrologers in the world. If I

> wish I can began posting on Narasimha's board anyday, but I

> deliberately choose not to as I time and again end up using it as a

> platform to canvas against the spread of Islamic atrocities, Un-

> Indian activities in Hindustan via illegal and unethical means

> employed by the Islamics.

> ===================================

>

> I, in no way, have any interest in knowing what relationship you

have with

> Narasimha Ji or anyone else. I admire him as an extremely

knowledgeable, and

> humble, polite person and he was always kind enough to reply me

whenever I

> mailed him personally about a mantra or something.

>

> Now listen from me : You do not have even an idea of what is

respect, that

> is why you are saying all these. When I said that you are warned by

> Narasimha Ji then I wanted to point out the fact of your arrogance

and

> ill-manners THAT IS WHY he had to warn you over and over, which

proves your

> way of behaviour and interaction. If you have a great relationship

with him

> then it does NOT change the fact that you were warned for your ill-

manners,

> but it is a matter of more pity and shame for you that a gentleman

like him

> had to warn a person with whom he have a good relationship. Because

if he

> has a good relationship then it is hard for him to take action

against you

> but your mannerless attitute totally forced him to do so and that

is more

> shame for you that even he was forced to take action against

someone he has

> a good relationship with.

>

> And now also listen : If you start posting there from right now and

post

> 10,000 msg per day, it does not prove anything about YOU, but it

only proves

> Narasimha Ji's broadness and forgiveness. It is not a credit of

you, but

> proof of his forgiveness. Is that clear? To be warned in a public

forum over

> and over is great shame/embarrassment, and proves your hallmark of

> behaviour, that is what I was pointing out. You just do not even

understand

> the whole point and start talking about the close relationship and

being

> able to post.

>

> I can show a lot of messages and your quotations to show your

curtious

> behaviour and comments where you are after other people in all

rudeness,

> harshness just out of any reason and simply out of nothing. And

each time

> you were warned by Narasimha Ji that you will be "thrown away" etc

etc but

> you do not feel the slightest ashamed of this, and you do not even

realize

> the shame of it, and the fact that your attitute needs to be

corrected.

> Rather you start talking about close relationships etc.

>

> I can also remember of an event clearly where there was a

discussion about

> the dignity of Shaiva and Vaishnav, where you, out of no where,

started

> making comments like, "What is the crap for fighting among

ourselves, why

> not taking actions against Muslims..." etc etc- I can not quote it

exactly.

> It was a discussion about Shaiva and Vaishnava, where you, out of

nowhere,

> popped up and started talking ill of Muslims out of all sudden.

>

> This shows a serious hatred you carry against Muslims (regardless

the

> person, personality etc.) showing your true mentality and this

perfectly

> explains why the praise of Islam hit you so hardly.

>

> =====================================

> 4) As to my note to you about a year back which you described

> as "brutal." That note has nothing to do with this thread. My note

> was in response to an arrogant statement made by you.

> =====================================

>

> Who are you to define *arrogant* or the scale of arrogance where you

> yourself lack in necessary manners and thrown out of lists? Show me

a list

> that kicked me out or show me a moderator that at least warned me.

I do not

> even have some 10% of the bitter argument with others of what YOU

do. These

> days I can not find time to write but in one period I used to

participate a

> lot but not even then. I know very well what I am. When someone

deserves

> respect I offer him the same that I am appreciated for. And of

course, I

> need to behave as per whom I am interacting with.

>

> And now listen : The concerned message was posted here in public and

> everyone read it, and saw if I was arrogant. I was only expressing

my

> sympathy for your continuous marriage breakups and just conveyed

the sense

> that even though you tried many remedies, there is nothing to be

hopeless

> because it has cure - just you can not find. And I still stand for

my answer

> that God forgives when one deserves and he did not give a problem

without

> solution, because all of these are under his administration and

control and

> a problem without solution just means God himself can not solve it,

which is

> not possible. I said the solution is out of your reach and that is

true. I

> never said that I can solve it or consult me for that or such

things.

> Suddenly you become all crazy and start offering me a list of

Jyotish

> techniques you know. And now listen, I can list a row of techniques

about

> 400% bigger than that which I KNOW and can answer questions related

to it in

> a live viva. The techniques you mentioned are frequently discussed

in Sanjay

> Ji's lists and anyone following the mails will know about them. But

it is

> the matter of how much you grasp it and how much of it you can

apply in real

> charts with success. Otherwise just buying and reading books will

produce

> great astrologers who would just memorize the theories.

>

> And now also listen : I have my complete and own approach to study

> horoscopes which is still not fully feveloped but have acquired good

> success. And do listen that I have my complete own sort of theories

that I

> develop slowly and slowly but still not fully develope and whatever

> techniques I apply, I use it, rectify it, master it and only then.

Not I

> memorize theories and start claiming that I know a lot. And I never

speak

> anything of my knowledge or anything, but just today I am enough

pissed of

> that is why. And people who have studied / discussed me in private

knows if

> I am taking baby steps or what steps. In one post you send me a

list of

> theories and in some other post you admit to someone that you are

just

> trying to learn. Good example of being humble, I must say.

>

> And now, as you say you have got mantras from many yogis and

manythings,

> your problems were not gone. That is TRUE. And know from me that it

will be

> there. It is not that you do not fix yourself and feel regretful

for what

> you did, and still fool your karma, or fool God this easily. God

watches

> everything and he knows the way you feel or think, and unless you

change

> from inside no remedies will work, and you will be like this. You

continue

> being what you are, you continue getting what you get.

>

> ====================================

> 5) This is your board, you can ban me from this board if you wish,

> there are many more vibrant Vedic astrology boards who'd love to

have

> me participate. My ONLY attraction to this board is that Mr. Rohini

> Ranjan whom I greatly respect as an astrologer and former peers

> from "Astroexperts" write on this board. I come here to read their

> writings.

> ====================================

>

> That is my real pleasure to know that many vibrant boards yearn your

> participation. Subscribers of Vedic-Astrology list already know

that very

> well and also how many people have expressed strong disgust against

you for

> what Narasimha Ji continuously had to warn you. I might belong to a

religion

> of brutal crimes but what is about him? Is he also wrong to warn

you, or to

> disable your posting? In any forum I see 500% disturbance by you in

> comparing to what you seem to contribute. I see one frustrated

student

> asking about his exam and you writing a LONG MAIL saying he will

pass if he

> studies some 10-12 hrs. And even you yourself acknowledge later

that you

> were being sarcastic. So, this all the participating all the

vibrant lists

> look for form you, but only you do not wish to participate. I have

to say

> many people are safe, sound, troublefree and happy in those lists

as long as

> you keep this wish.

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

January 12, 2005

Mr.Tanvir ji,

Some issues r in appropriate and some basics descency and sanity is required in

the forum.If this is forgotten there is definete need to remind and to

discourage for future.ao we stand by:

"why did you have to question it

here in this forum making the inappropriate thread even longer?"

We support you fully in this issue please

krishnan

Tanvir <ultimate wrote: