Guest guest Posted January 12, 2005 Report Share Posted January 12, 2005 Hi, Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and Ketu as individual and every word retun is true in all respect.Something addition to that.... Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a Shadow planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist as a materialistic in this world. Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are free souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of Saturn,that's why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic nature of Jupiter. Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular influence over the affairs of the house in which it falls, brings out the more positive potentials of the sign in which it is placed, and favours the functions and energies signified by any planets or points to which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and gains). The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, or brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions or obligations in relation to the affairs of the house it occupies; brings out the more negative potentials of the sign in which it is posited and disfavours planets in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the Moon particularly bringing losses and troubles). But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu is relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs Conscious growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations that stem from the past and to which there is an inner inclination to cling although they may no longer be relevant or appropriate to the individual's situation and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious motivations relevant to the present and future, characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of appropriate changes in personal psychology. Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties inherited from former incarnations or 'past lives', while the Rahu shows the ideal direction for self-development in the current incarnation in order to attain ultimate spiritual fulfilment and the successful realisation of one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this lifetime. Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) and not only one of them exist.That too they are opposite to each other all the time and retograting.I am not talking in terms of there technical existence.Reason is Ketu principles are not to be completely overthrown and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious balance with those of the Rahu. Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the reach for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. Harmonious aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will indicate relatively easy progress along the journey towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. The individual will frequently, on encountering obstacles, be consciously inclined to give up and return to the safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve rather than through absolute force or obligation. But as always with stressful aspects, the ultimate rewards of achievement can be greater and more spiritually satisfying than would be attained by an easy passage. Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit and progression, show the manner in which the development towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; while those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. Squares accentuate the conflict of interest between the nodes, and pull the individual towards the sign and house placement of the squared planet.It creates a tension for a individual in there growth. Quincunxes to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the means to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for constructive growth, while trines bring easy growth.That you all must be knowing. I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction with daily life materialistic objects. --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu which I > have among my collection. > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > chart and are closely looked at, especially in their > transit movements through the birth chart. As > opposed to Western astrological systems which tends > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, sufferings, > “fated” cataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency to > view the lunar nodes as something to do with one’s > karma—the accumulated lesson’s of one past lives. In > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north nde > represents what we should be striving towards in > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that we > need to hold behind and not hold onto. Proponents of > this view contend, that by looking at the sign and > house placements of the nodes, one’s karmic past and > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > given rather strong importance in natal chart > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely in > transit analysis of the here and now of one’s life. > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a lot > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather than > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > astrological system strongly propounded this view. > The nodes were regarded as key in determining how > social the person was and, as opposed to the > American view, looked in at the transit analysis. > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > indicate where and what nature one’s relationship > would be. > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > nodes may have something to do with one’s karma and > may involve relationships with others, they are > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu and > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and swallow > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of that > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > heavens. Due to it’s exposure by sun and moon, the > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, hence > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and lunar > eclipse. > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of rahu , > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In the > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, Since > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body as > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . Now > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > because of this rahu is closely associated with > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because rahu > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain over > sufferings in general, especially chronic diseases > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > tragic. > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a god, > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > eventually was lost by demon body leading to it’s > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > people do things they otherwise would not by making > them throw caution to wind and thinking that they > can get away with it. > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth is > that Rahu’s gains are always temporary. In the myth > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but was > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, when > well placd in one’s chart, rahu may give material > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these gifts > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual axiom in > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu’s > influence will eventually flitter away and be lost. > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : You > can’t take it with you .The moment you think that > you have attained lasting success > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > rahu will take away that success, leaving you hungry > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as dragon’s > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of rahu. > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism , > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. In > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu’s > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is after > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality onto > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > ketu creates many disasters in a person’s life, that > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help and > solace. > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, it’s > influence creates denial and sometimes abandonment. > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > typically report that their mother was emotionally > or physically unavailable when the person was > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, psychic > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu is > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson’s etc.,)or > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > this is because of ketu’s hidden, mysterious > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also like > to mention certain more points on the nodes which I > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the article > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. E.g > for this I would like to mention here is that I was > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and after > having all materialistic pleasures of life he was > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > dissatisfied physical relationship with his wife, he > felt still there is something lacking to make him > more popular world wide, he had past broken affair > and at this age too he was longing a companionship > with young females. > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > scorpio. > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or broken > marriage life he is still with wife may be due to > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point of > his marital life (here I want group member to > discuss what would have made him save his marriage) > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and rahu > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > native questionable characters and sometimes even to > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > before marriage and afterwards getting separated and > married elsewhere. > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > such effects does Mars has something to do with > character of person apart from it hot qualities of > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives etc., > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji and > respected members of the group > > > > Thanking You > > > > Yogita > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page – Try My ===== "Love is friendship set to music." 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Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Dear Shripal ji, An educative article>Thanx Shripal <d_shripal wrote: Hi, Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and Ketu as individual and every word retun is true in all respect.Something addition to that.... Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a Shadow planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist as a materialistic in this world. Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are free souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of Saturn,that's why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic nature of Jupiter. Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular influence over the affairs of the house in which it falls, brings out the more positive potentials of the sign in which it is placed, and favours the functions and energies signified by any planets or points to which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and gains). The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, or brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions or obligations in relation to the affairs of the house it occupies; brings out the more negative potentials of the sign in which it is posited and disfavours planets in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the Moon particularly bringing losses and troubles). But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu is relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs Conscious growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations that stem from the past and to which there is an inner inclination to cling although they may no longer be relevant or appropriate to the individual's situation and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious motivations relevant to the present and future, characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of appropriate changes in personal psychology. Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties inherited from former incarnations or 'past lives', while the Rahu shows the ideal direction for self-development in the current incarnation in order to attain ultimate spiritual fulfilment and the successful realisation of one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this lifetime. Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) and not only one of them exist.That too they are opposite to each other all the time and retograting.I am not talking in terms of there technical existence.Reason is Ketu principles are not to be completely overthrown and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious balance with those of the Rahu. Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the reach for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. Harmonious aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will indicate relatively easy progress along the journey towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. The individual will frequently, on encountering obstacles, be consciously inclined to give up and return to the safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve rather than through absolute force or obligation. But as always with stressful aspects, the ultimate rewards of achievement can be greater and more spiritually satisfying than would be attained by an easy passage. Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit and progression, show the manner in which the development towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; while those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. Squares accentuate the conflict of interest between the nodes, and pull the individual towards the sign and house placement of the squared planet.It creates a tension for a individual in there growth. Quincunxes to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the means to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for constructive growth, while trines bring easy growth.That you all must be knowing. I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction with daily life materialistic objects. --- yogita purohit wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu which I > have among my collection. > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > chart and are closely looked at, especially in their > transit movements through the birth chart. As > opposed to Western astrological systems which tends > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, sufferings, > “fated” cataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency to > view the lunar nodes as something to do with one’s > karma—the accumulated lesson’s of one past lives. In > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north nde > represents what we should be striving towards in > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that we > need to hold behind and not hold onto. Proponents of > this view contend, that by looking at the sign and > house placements of the nodes, one’s karmic past and > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > given rather strong importance in natal chart > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely in > transit analysis of the here and now of one’s life. > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a lot > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather than > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > astrological system strongly propounded this view. > The nodes were regarded as key in determining how > social the person was and, as opposed to the > American view, looked in at the transit analysis. > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > indicate where and what nature one’s relationship > would be. > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > nodes may have something to do with one’s karma and > may involve relationships with others, they are > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu and > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and swallow > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of that > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > heavens. Due to it’s exposure by sun and moon, the > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, hence > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and lunar > eclipse. > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of rahu , > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In the > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, Since > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body as > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . Now > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > because of this rahu is closely associated with > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because rahu > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain over > sufferings in general, especially chronic diseases > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > tragic. > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a god, > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > eventually was lost by demon body leading to it’s > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > people do things they otherwise would not by making > them throw caution to wind and thinking that they > can get away with it. > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth is > that Rahu’s gains are always temporary. In the myth > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but was > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, when > well placd in one’s chart, rahu may give material > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these gifts > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual axiom in > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu’s > influence will eventually flitter away and be lost. > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : You > can’t take it with you .The moment you think that > you have attained lasting success > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > rahu will take away that success, leaving you hungry > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as dragon’s > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of rahu. > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism , > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. In > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu’s > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is after > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality onto > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > ketu creates many disasters in a person’s life, that > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help and > solace. > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, it’s > influence creates denial and sometimes abandonment. > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > typically report that their mother was emotionally > or physically unavailable when the person was > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, psychic > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu is > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson’s etc.,)or > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > this is because of ketu’s hidden, mysterious > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also like > to mention certain more points on the nodes which I > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the article > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. E.g > for this I would like to mention here is that I was > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and after > having all materialistic pleasures of life he was > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > dissatisfied physical relationship with his wife, he > felt still there is something lacking to make him > more popular world wide, he had past broken affair > and at this age too he was longing a companionship > with young females. > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > scorpio. > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or broken > marriage life he is still with wife may be due to > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point of > his marital life (here I want group member to > discuss what would have made him save his marriage) > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and rahu > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > native questionable characters and sometimes even to > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > before marriage and afterwards getting separated and > married elsewhere. > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > such effects does Mars has something to do with > character of person apart from it hot qualities of > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives etc., > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji and > respected members of the group > > > > Thanking You > > > > Yogita > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page – Try My ===== "Love is friendship set to music." 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Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Dear friend, Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD RAHU - KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] principle from JAATAKA texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups both the nodes similar to SATURN [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs Mrg.)]. In your post: >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of Saturn,that's >why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic >nature of Jupiter. I am eager to know which text supports the above statement, as I have not heard of this MYTH till now. If you could share some PRACTICAL examples(charts) with the group using THIS principle, it would be better understood. yours humbly, KAD , Shripal <d_shripal> wrote: > Hi, > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and Ketu > as individual and every word retun is true in all > respect.Something addition to that.... > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a Shadow > planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist as a > materialistic in this world. > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are free > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of Saturn,that's > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > nature of Jupiter. > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > influence over the affairs of the house in which it > falls, brings out the more positive potentials of the > sign in which it is placed, and favours the functions > and energies signified by any planets or points to > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and gains). > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, or > brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions or > obligations in relation to the affairs of the house it > occupies; brings out the more negative potentials of > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours planets > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the Moon > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu is > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs Conscious > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations that > stem from the past and to which there is an inner > inclination to cling although they may no longer be > relevant or appropriate to the individual's situation > and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious > motivations relevant to the present and future, > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties inherited > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while the > Rahu shows the ideal direction for self-development in > the current incarnation in order to attain ultimate > spiritual fulfilment and the successful realisation of > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > lifetime. > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) and > not only one of them exist.That too they are opposite > to each other all the time and retograting.I am not > talking in terms of there technical existence.Reason > is > Ketu principles are not to be completely overthrown > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious balance > with those of the Rahu. > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the reach > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. Harmonious > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will > indicate relatively easy progress along the journey > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. The > individual will frequently, on encountering obstacles, > be consciously inclined to give up and return to the > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve rather > than through absolute force or obligation. But as > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate rewards of > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > satisfying than would be attained by an easy passage. > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit and > progression, show the manner in which the development > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; while > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest between > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the sign > and house placement of the squared planet.It creates a > tension for a individual in there growth. Quincunxes > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the means > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction with > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu which I > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in their > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > opposed to Western astrological systems which tends > > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, sufferings, > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency to > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with one's > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of one past lives. In > > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north nde > > represents what we should be striving towards in > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that we > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. Proponents of > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign and > > house placements of the nodes, one's karmic past and > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely in > > transit analysis of the here and now of one's life. > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a lot > > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather than > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > astrological system strongly propounded this view. > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining how > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > American view, looked in at the transit analysis. > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > indicate where and what nature one's relationship > > would be. > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > > nodes may have something to do with one's karma and > > may involve relationships with others, they are > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu and > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and swallow > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of that > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun and moon, the > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, hence > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and lunar > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of rahu , > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In the > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, Since > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body as > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . Now > > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > > because of this rahu is closely associated with > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because rahu > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain over > > sufferings in general, especially chronic diseases > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > tragic. > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a god, > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to it's > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > people do things they otherwise would not by making > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that they > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth is > > that Rahu's gains are always temporary. In the myth > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but was > > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, when > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may give material > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these gifts > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual axiom in > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu's > > influence will eventually flitter away and be lost. > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : You > > can't take it with you .The moment you think that > > you have attained lasting success > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you hungry > > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as dragon's > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of rahu. > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism , > > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. In > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu's > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is after > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality onto > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > > ketu creates many disasters in a person's life, that > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help and > > solace. > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, it's > > influence creates denial and sometimes abandonment. > > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > typically report that their mother was emotionally > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, psychic > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu is > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's etc.,)or > > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > > this is because of ketu's hidden, mysterious > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also like > > to mention certain more points on the nodes which I > > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the article > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. E.g > > for this I would like to mention here is that I was > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and after > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he was > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his wife, he > > felt still there is something lacking to make him > > more popular world wide, he had past broken affair > > and at this age too he was longing a companionship > > with young females. > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or broken > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due to > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point of > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > discuss what would have made him save his marriage) > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and rahu > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > > native questionable characters and sometimes even to > > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > > before marriage and afterwards getting separated and > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > > such effects does Mars has something to do with > > character of person apart from it hot qualities of > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives etc., > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji and > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page ETry My > > > > ===== > "Love is friendship set to music." > "Love conquers all." > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Hi, Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ Ketu gives us a spiritual Inclination.You you have analysed several charts ,you will also find,people who are having Jup+Sat are also spritually inclined.Have you ever heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual inclination,than Ketu like Mars holds false. Let's forget about this too,Forget about myth too,know since ages astrology has changed a lot and be practical. So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I said was malefic part,Let me tell you benefic part.If ketu is Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is Bad it act like Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I am saying is very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in diff charts,you will come to know. Shadow planets don't have aspect,even 7th aspect is not there.But they influence various houses in chart,because bottom line they are shadow planets.What is shadow.All materialistic things which exists in this world we always have a shadow.So planets squaring it up,aspecting, or some how connected with planets,there shadows are reflected on other house,That's how they get a good and bad results of that house. --- kadrudra <kadrudra wrote: > > Dear friend, > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] principle from > JAATAKA > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups both the nodes > similar to SATURN > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs Mrg.)]. > > In your post: > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > Saturn,that's > >why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > >nature of Jupiter. > > I am eager to know which text supports the above > statement, as I have > not heard of this MYTH till now. > If you could share some PRACTICAL examples(charts) > with the group > using THIS principle, it would be better understood. > > yours humbly, > KAD > > > > > > , Shripal > <d_shripal> > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and > Ketu > > as individual and every word retun is true in all > > respect.Something addition to that.... > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are > > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a > Shadow > > planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist > as a > > materialistic in this world. > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are > free > > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > Saturn,that's > > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > divert > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > > influence over the affairs of the house in which > it > > falls, brings out the more positive potentials of > the > > sign in which it is placed, and favours the > functions > > and energies signified by any planets or points to > > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect > > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and > gains). > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, > or > > brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions > or > > obligations in relation to the affairs of the > house it > > occupies; brings out the more negative potentials > of > > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours > planets > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the > Moon > > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu > is > > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs > Conscious > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations > that > > stem from the past and to which there is an inner > > inclination to cling although they may no longer > be > > relevant or appropriate to the individual's > situation > > and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious > > motivations relevant to the present and future, > > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties > inherited > > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while > the > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > self-development in > > the current incarnation in order to attain > ultimate > > spiritual fulfilment and the successful > realisation of > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > > lifetime. > > > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) > and > > not only one of them exist.That too they are > opposite > > to each other all the time and retograting.I am > not > > talking in terms of there technical > existence.Reason > > is > > Ketu principles are not to be completely > overthrown > > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious > balance > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the > reach > > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. > Harmonious > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will > > indicate relatively easy progress along the > journey > > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and > > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. > The > > individual will frequently, on encountering > obstacles, > > be consciously inclined to give up and return to > the > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve > rather > > than through absolute force or obligation. But as > > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate > rewards of > > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > > satisfying than would be attained by an easy > passage. > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit > and > > progression, show the manner in which the > development > > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; > while > > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. > > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest > between > > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the > sign > > and house placement of the squared planet.It > creates a > > tension for a individual in there growth. > Quincunxes > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the > means > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for > > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > > Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction > with > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu > which I > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in > their > > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > > opposed to Western astrological systems which > tends > > > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, > sufferings, > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency > to > > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with > one's > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of one past > lives. In > > > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north > nde > > > represents what we should be striving towards in > > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that > we > > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. > Proponents of > > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign > and > > > house placements of the nodes, one's karmic past > and > > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely > in > > > transit analysis of the here and now of one's > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a > lot > > > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather > than > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > > astrological system strongly propounded this > view. > > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining > how > > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > > American view, looked in at the transit > analysis. > > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > > indicate where and what nature one's > relationship > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > > > nodes may have something to do with one's karma > and > > > may involve relationships with others, they are > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu > and > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and > swallow > > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of > that > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun and moon, > the > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, > hence > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and > lunar > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of > rahu , > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In > the > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, > Since > > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body > as > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . > Now > > > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > > > because of this rahu is closely associated with > > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because > rahu > > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain > over > > > sufferings in general, especially chronic > diseases > > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a > god, > > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to > it's > > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > > people do things they otherwise would not by > making > > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that > they > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth > is > > > that Rahu's gains are always temporary. In the > myth > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but > was > > > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, > when > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may give > material > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these > gifts > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual > axiom in > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu's > > > influence will eventually flitter away and be > lost. > > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : > You > > > can't take it with you .The moment you think > that > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you > hungry > > > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as > dragon's > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of > rahu. > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism > , > > > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. > In > > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu's > > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is > after > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality > onto > > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > > > ketu creates many disasters in a person's life, > that > > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help > and > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, > it's > > > influence creates denial and sometimes > abandonment. > > > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > > typically report that their mother was > emotionally > > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, > psychic > > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu > is > > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's etc.,)or > > > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, mysterious > > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also > like > > > to mention certain more points on the nodes > which I > > > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the > article > > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. > E.g > > > for this I would like to mention here is that I > was > > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and > after > > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he > was > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his > wife, he > > > felt still there is something lacking to make > him > > > more popular world wide, he had past broken > affair > > > and at this age too he was longing a > companionship > > > with young females. > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or > broken > > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due > to > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point > of > > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > > discuss what would have made him save his > marriage) > > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and > rahu > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > > > native questionable characters and sometimes > even to > > > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > > > before marriage and afterwards getting separated > and > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > > > such effects does Mars has something to do with > > > character of person apart from it hot qualities > of > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji > and > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page ETry > My > > > > > > > > ===== > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 you mean it is bad like a bad/ashubha saturn, I hope? Saturn is not unconditionally bad or malefic. RR , Shripal <d_shripal> wrote: > Hi, > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ Ketu gives us > a spiritual Inclination.You you have analysed several > charts ,you will also find,people who are having > Jup+Sat are also spritually inclined.Have you ever > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual inclination,than Ketu > like Mars holds false. > > Let's forget about this too,Forget about myth too,know > since ages astrology has changed a lot and be > practical. > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I said was > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic part.If ketu is > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is Bad it act like > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I am saying is > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in diff > charts,you will come to know. > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even 7th aspect is > not there.But they influence various houses in > chart,because bottom line they are shadow planets.What > is shadow.All materialistic things which exists in > this world we always have a shadow.So planets squaring > it up,aspecting, or some how connected with > planets,there shadows are reflected on other > house,That's how they get a good and bad results of > that house. > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] principle from > > JAATAKA > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups both the nodes > > similar to SATURN > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs Mrg.)]. > > > > In your post: > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > Saturn,that's > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > I am eager to know which text supports the above > > statement, as I have > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > If you could share some PRACTICAL examples(charts) > > with the group > > using THIS principle, it would be better understood. > > > > yours humbly, > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > <d_shripal> > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and > > Ketu > > > as individual and every word retun is true in all > > > respect.Something addition to that.... > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are > > > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a > > Shadow > > > planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist > > as a > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are > > free > > > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > Saturn,that's > > > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > > divert > > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > > > influence over the affairs of the house in which > > it > > > falls, brings out the more positive potentials of > > the > > > sign in which it is placed, and favours the > > functions > > > and energies signified by any planets or points to > > > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect > > > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and > > gains). > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, > > or > > > brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions > > or > > > obligations in relation to the affairs of the > > house it > > > occupies; brings out the more negative potentials > > of > > > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours > > planets > > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the > > Moon > > > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu > > is > > > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs > > Conscious > > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations > > that > > > stem from the past and to which there is an inner > > > inclination to cling although they may no longer > > be > > > relevant or appropriate to the individual's > > situation > > > and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious > > > motivations relevant to the present and future, > > > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > > > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties > > inherited > > > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while > > the > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > self-development in > > > the current incarnation in order to attain > > ultimate > > > spiritual fulfilment and the successful > > realisation of > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > > > lifetime. > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) > > and > > > not only one of them exist.That too they are > > opposite > > > to each other all the time and retograting.I am > > not > > > talking in terms of there technical > > existence.Reason > > > is > > > Ketu principles are not to be completely > > overthrown > > > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious > > balance > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the > > reach > > > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. > > Harmonious > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will > > > indicate relatively easy progress along the > > journey > > > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. > > The > > > individual will frequently, on encountering > > obstacles, > > > be consciously inclined to give up and return to > > the > > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve > > rather > > > than through absolute force or obligation. But as > > > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate > > rewards of > > > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > > > satisfying than would be attained by an easy > > passage. > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit > > and > > > progression, show the manner in which the > > development > > > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; > > while > > > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest > > between > > > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the > > sign > > > and house placement of the squared planet.It > > creates a > > > tension for a individual in there growth. > > Quincunxes > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the > > means > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for > > > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction > > with > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu > > which I > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > > > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in > > their > > > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > > > opposed to Western astrological systems which > > tends > > > > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, > > sufferings, > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency > > to > > > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with > > one's > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of one past > > lives. In > > > > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north > > nde > > > > represents what we should be striving towards in > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > > > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that > > we > > > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. > > Proponents of > > > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign > > and > > > > house placements of the nodes, one's karmic past > > and > > > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > > > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely > > in > > > > transit analysis of the here and now of one's > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a > > lot > > > > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather > > than > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > > > astrological system strongly propounded this > > view. > > > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining > > how > > > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > > > American view, looked in at the transit > > analysis. > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > > > indicate where and what nature one's > > relationship > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > > > > nodes may have something to do with one's karma > > and > > > > may involve relationships with others, they are > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu > > and > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and > > swallow > > > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of > > that > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun and moon, > > the > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, > > hence > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and > > lunar > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of > > rahu , > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > > > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In > > the > > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > > > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, > > Since > > > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > > > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body > > as > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . > > Now > > > > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > > > > because of this rahu is closely associated with > > > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because > > rahu > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain > > over > > > > sufferings in general, especially chronic > > diseases > > > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a > > god, > > > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > > > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to > > it's > > > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > > > people do things they otherwise would not by > > making > > > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that > > they > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth > > is > > > > that Rahu's gains are always temporary. In the > > myth > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but > > was > > > > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, > > when > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may give > > material > > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these > > gifts > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual > > axiom in > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu's > > > > influence will eventually flitter away and be > > lost. > > > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : > > You > > > > can't take it with you .The moment you think > > that > > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > > > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you > > hungry > > > > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as > > dragon's > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of > > rahu. > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism > > , > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. > > In > > > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu's > > > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is > > after > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality > > onto > > > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a person's life, > > that > > > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help > > and > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, > > it's > > > > influence creates denial and sometimes > > abandonment. > > > > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > > > typically report that their mother was > > emotionally > > > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, > > psychic > > > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu > > is > > > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, mysterious > > > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also > > like > > > > to mention certain more points on the nodes > > which I > > > > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the > > article > > > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. > > E.g > > > > for this I would like to mention here is that I > > was > > > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and > > after > > > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he > > was > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his > > wife, he > > > > felt still there is something lacking to make > > him > > > > more popular world wide, he had past broken > > affair > > > > and at this age too he was longing a > > companionship > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or > > broken > > > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due > > to > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point > > of > > > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > > > discuss what would have made him save his > > marriage) > > > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and > > rahu > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > > > > native questionable characters and sometimes > > even to > > > > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > > > > before marriage and afterwards getting separated > > and > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > > > > such effects does Mars has something to do with > > > > character of person apart from it hot qualities > > of > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji > > and > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page ETry > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 , Shripal <d_shripal> wrote: > Hi, > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ Ketu gives us > a spiritual Inclination.You you have analysed several > charts ,you will also find,people who are having > Jup+Sat are also spritually inclined.Have you ever > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual inclination,than Ketu > like Mars holds false. > > Let's forget about this too,Forget about myth too,know > since ages astrology has changed a lot and be > practical. > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I said was > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic part.If ketu is > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is Bad it act like > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I am saying is > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in diff > charts,you will come to know. > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even 7th aspect is > not there.But they influence various houses in > chart,because bottom line they are shadow planets.What > is shadow.All materialistic things which exists in > this world we always have a shadow.So planets squaring > it up,aspecting, or some how connected with > planets,there shadows are reflected on other > house,That's how they get a good and bad results of > that house. > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] principle from > > JAATAKA > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups both the nodes > > similar to SATURN > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs Mrg.)]. > > > > In your post: > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > Saturn,that's > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > I am eager to know which text supports the above > > statement, as I have > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > If you could share some PRACTICAL examples(charts) > > with the group > > using THIS principle, it would be better understood. > > > > yours humbly, > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > <d_shripal> > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and > > Ketu > > > as individual and every word retun is true in all > > > respect.Something addition to that.... > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are > > > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a > > Shadow > > > planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist > > as a > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are > > free > > > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > Saturn,that's > > > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > > divert > > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > > > influence over the affairs of the house in which > > it > > > falls, brings out the more positive potentials of > > the > > > sign in which it is placed, and favours the > > functions > > > and energies signified by any planets or points to > > > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect > > > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and > > gains). > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, > > or > > > brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions > > or > > > obligations in relation to the affairs of the > > house it > > > occupies; brings out the more negative potentials > > of > > > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours > > planets > > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the > > Moon > > > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu > > is > > > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs > > Conscious > > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations > > that > > > stem from the past and to which there is an inner > > > inclination to cling although they may no longer > > be > > > relevant or appropriate to the individual's > > situation > > > and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious > > > motivations relevant to the present and future, > > > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > > > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties > > inherited > > > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while > > the > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > self-development in > > > the current incarnation in order to attain > > ultimate > > > spiritual fulfilment and the successful > > realisation of > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > > > lifetime. > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) > > and > > > not only one of them exist.That too they are > > opposite > > > to each other all the time and retograting.I am > > not > > > talking in terms of there technical > > existence.Reason > > > is > > > Ketu principles are not to be completely > > overthrown > > > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious > > balance > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the > > reach > > > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. > > Harmonious > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will > > > indicate relatively easy progress along the > > journey > > > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. > > The > > > individual will frequently, on encountering > > obstacles, > > > be consciously inclined to give up and return to > > the > > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve > > rather > > > than through absolute force or obligation. But as > > > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate > > rewards of > > > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > > > satisfying than would be attained by an easy > > passage. > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit > > and > > > progression, show the manner in which the > > development > > > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; > > while > > > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest > > between > > > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the > > sign > > > and house placement of the squared planet.It > > creates a > > > tension for a individual in there growth. > > Quincunxes > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the > > means > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for > > > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction > > with > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu > > which I > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > > > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in > > their > > > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > > > opposed to Western astrological systems which > > tends > > > > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, > > sufferings, > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency > > to > > > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with > > one's > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of one past > > lives. In > > > > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north > > nde > > > > represents what we should be striving towards in > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > > > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that > > we > > > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. > > Proponents of > > > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign > > and > > > > house placements of the nodes, one's karmic past > > and > > > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > > > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely > > in > > > > transit analysis of the here and now of one's > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a > > lot > > > > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather > > than > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > > > astrological system strongly propounded this > > view. > > > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining > > how > > > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > > > American view, looked in at the transit > > analysis. > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > > > indicate where and what nature one's > > relationship > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > > > > nodes may have something to do with one's karma > > and > > > > may involve relationships with others, they are > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu > > and > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and > > swallow > > > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of > > that > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun and moon, > > the > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, > > hence > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and > > lunar > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of > > rahu , > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > > > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In > > the > > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > > > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, > > Since > > > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > > > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body > > as > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . > > Now > > > > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > > > > because of this rahu is closely associated with > > > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because > > rahu > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain > > over > > > > sufferings in general, especially chronic > > diseases > > > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a > > god, > > > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > > > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to > > it's > > > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > > > people do things they otherwise would not by > > making > > > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that > > they > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth > > is > > > > that Rahu's gains are always temporary. In the > > myth > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but > > was > > > > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, > > when > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may give > > material > > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these > > gifts > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual > > axiom in > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu's > > > > influence will eventually flitter away and be > > lost. > > > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : > > You > > > > can't take it with you .The moment you think > > that > > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > > > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you > > hungry > > > > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as > > dragon's > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of > > rahu. > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism > > , > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. > > In > > > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu's > > > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is > > after > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality > > onto > > > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a person's life, > > that > > > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help > > and > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, > > it's > > > > influence creates denial and sometimes > > abandonment. > > > > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > > > typically report that their mother was > > emotionally > > > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, > > psychic > > > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu > > is > > > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, mysterious > > > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also > > like > > > > to mention certain more points on the nodes > > which I > > > > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the > > article > > > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. > > E.g > > > > for this I would like to mention here is that I > > was > > > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and > > after > > > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he > > was > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his > > wife, he > > > > felt still there is something lacking to make > > him > > > > more popular world wide, he had past broken > > affair > > > > and at this age too he was longing a > > companionship > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or > > broken > > > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due > > to > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point > > of > > > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > > > discuss what would have made him save his > > marriage) > > > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and > > rahu > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > > > > native questionable characters and sometimes > > even to > > > > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > > > > before marriage and afterwards getting separated > > and > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > > > > such effects does Mars has something to do with > > > > character of person apart from it hot qualities > > of > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji > > and > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page ETry > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 I must agree with this point. I have struggled invariably when applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars and Rahu like Saturn in my experiences with countless charts. We all know that: Saturn makes one detached, introspective and seperative; Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and 'weird'; Mars makes one aggressive, active and dynamic; Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and loaded with excessive desires; And that Ketu is commonly placed in the signs that signify satwic tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) in the charts of great spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in materialistic signs (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these configurations clearly indicate its disconnection with satwic inclinations which is more in line with nature of Mars then that of Saturn. Thus a logical conclusion with the above in mind would be that Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars like Rahu. Of course, Mars does have similarities with Ketu (technical faculties, intensity); and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); but they fail to form conclusive parallels when considering the key significations. Regards Maniv P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction to Mukund's post, (which was not aimed at you initially) has depreciated my respect for you greatly. Your response was clearly driven by an urge to demonstrate your superior knowledge, qualify the drawbacks of Islam by disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism and the ego created by your status as owner of this group. No one participating on this board is irrational enough to believe that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; general statements about religious groups/castes/races never have substance. However the indisputable fact remains that the majority of terrorist activity is carried out by groups that come under the banner of Islam. Maybe it's politically incorrect to make such statements; but why should the truth not be objectively assessed? I realize that this is board for discussions on Jyotish and related spiritualism so I apologize for lengthening this thread. If you had warned Mukundji politely and then subsequently ignored his reaction to your allegations about his character then perhaps this line of debate could have been avoided altogether. , "maniv78" <maniv78> wrote: > > , Shripal <d_shripal> > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ Ketu gives us > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have analysed several > > charts ,you will also find,people who are having > > Jup+Sat are also spritually inclined.Have you ever > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual inclination,than Ketu > > like Mars holds false. > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget about myth too,know > > since ages astrology has changed a lot and be > > practical. > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I said was > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic part.If ketu is > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is Bad it act like > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I am saying is > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in diff > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even 7th aspect is > > not there.But they influence various houses in > > chart,because bottom line they are shadow planets.What > > is shadow.All materialistic things which exists in > > this world we always have a shadow.So planets squaring > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected with > > planets,there shadows are reflected on other > > house,That's how they get a good and bad results of > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] principle from > > > JAATAKA > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups both the nodes > > > similar to SATURN > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs Mrg.)]. > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > Saturn,that's > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > I am eager to know which text supports the above > > > statement, as I have > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL examples(charts) > > > with the group > > > using THIS principle, it would be better understood. > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > <d_shripal> > > > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and > > > Ketu > > > > as individual and every word retun is true in all > > > > respect.Something addition to that.... > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a > > > Shadow > > > > planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist > > > as a > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are > > > free > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > Saturn,that's > > > > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > > > divert > > > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > > > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > > > > influence over the affairs of the house in which > > > it > > > > falls, brings out the more positive potentials of > > > the > > > > sign in which it is placed, and favours the > > > functions > > > > and energies signified by any planets or points to > > > > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and > > > gains). > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, > > > or > > > > brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions > > > or > > > > obligations in relation to the affairs of the > > > house it > > > > occupies; brings out the more negative potentials > > > of > > > > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours > > > planets > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the > > > Moon > > > > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu > > > is > > > > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs > > > Conscious > > > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations > > > that > > > > stem from the past and to which there is an inner > > > > inclination to cling although they may no longer > > > be > > > > relevant or appropriate to the individual's > > > situation > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious > > > > motivations relevant to the present and future, > > > > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > > > > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties > > > inherited > > > > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while > > > the > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > self-development in > > > > the current incarnation in order to attain > > > ultimate > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the successful > > > realisation of > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > and > > > > not only one of them exist.That too they are > > > opposite > > > > to each other all the time and retograting.I am > > > not > > > > talking in terms of there technical > > > existence.Reason > > > > is > > > > Ketu principles are not to be completely > > > overthrown > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious > > > balance > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the > > > reach > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. > > > Harmonious > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will > > > > indicate relatively easy progress along the > > > journey > > > > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. > > > The > > > > individual will frequently, on encountering > > > obstacles, > > > > be consciously inclined to give up and return to > > > the > > > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve > > > rather > > > > than through absolute force or obligation. But as > > > > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate > > > rewards of > > > > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > > > > satisfying than would be attained by an easy > > > passage. > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit > > > and > > > > progression, show the manner in which the > > > development > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; > > > while > > > > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest > > > between > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the > > > sign > > > > and house placement of the squared planet.It > > > creates a > > > > tension for a individual in there growth. > > > Quincunxes > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the > > > means > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for > > > > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > > > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction > > > with > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu > > > which I > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in > > > their > > > > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > > > > opposed to Western astrological systems which > > > tends > > > > > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > > > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, > > > sufferings, > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency > > > to > > > > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with > > > one's > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of one past > > > lives. In > > > > > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north > > > nde > > > > > represents what we should be striving towards in > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that > > > we > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. > > > Proponents of > > > > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign > > > and > > > > > house placements of the nodes, one's karmic past > > > and > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > > > > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely > > > in > > > > > transit analysis of the here and now of one's > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a > > > lot > > > > > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather > > > than > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > > > > astrological system strongly propounded this > > > view. > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining > > > how > > > > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > > > > American view, looked in at the transit > > > analysis. > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > > > > indicate where and what nature one's > > > relationship > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > > > > > nodes may have something to do with one's karma > > > and > > > > > may involve relationships with others, they are > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu > > > and > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and > > > swallow > > > > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > > > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of > > > that > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun and moon, > > > the > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, > > > hence > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and > > > lunar > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of > > > rahu , > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In > > > the > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > > > > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, > > > Since > > > > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > > > > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > > > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body > > > as > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . > > > Now > > > > > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > > > > > because of this rahu is closely associated with > > > > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because > > > rahu > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain > > > over > > > > > sufferings in general, especially chronic > > > diseases > > > > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a > > > god, > > > > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > > > > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to > > > it's > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > > > > people do things they otherwise would not by > > > making > > > > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that > > > they > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth > > > is > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always temporary. In the > > > myth > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but > > > was > > > > > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, > > > when > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may give > > > material > > > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these > > > gifts > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual > > > axiom in > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu's > > > > > influence will eventually flitter away and be > > > lost. > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : > > > You > > > > > can't take it with you .The moment you think > > > that > > > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > > > > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you > > > hungry > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as > > > dragon's > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of > > > rahu. > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism > > > , > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. > > > In > > > > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu's > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is > > > after > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality > > > onto > > > > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a person's life, > > > that > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help > > > and > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, > > > it's > > > > > influence creates denial and sometimes > > > abandonment. > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > > > > typically report that their mother was > > > emotionally > > > > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, > > > psychic > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu > > > is > > > > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > > > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, mysterious > > > > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also > > > like > > > > > to mention certain more points on the nodes > > > which I > > > > > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the > > > article > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. > > > E.g > > > > > for this I would like to mention here is that I > > > was > > > > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and > > > after > > > > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he > > > was > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > > > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his > > > wife, he > > > > > felt still there is something lacking to make > > > him > > > > > more popular world wide, he had past broken > > > affair > > > > > and at this age too he was longing a > > > companionship > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or > > > broken > > > > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due > > > to > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point > > > of > > > > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > > > > discuss what would have made him save his > > > marriage) > > > > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and > > > rahu > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > > > > > native questionable characters and sometimes > > > even to > > > > > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > > > > > before marriage and afterwards getting separated > > > and > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > > > > > such effects does Mars has something to do with > > > > > character of person apart from it hot qualities > > > of > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji > > > and > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page ETry > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Hi Maniv, I have Saturn conjunct Ketu (100%) in Capricorn(Asc) and Mars conjunct Rahu (<1 deg off) in Cancer (7th). And everybody i guess is fully aspecting everyboydy else and that too right in the center of the houses. I was therefore very interested in this thread and relate 100% to what you just said Could you look into the crystal ball and tell me, what choppy waters lie ahead for me. My ride has been quite bumpy. Appreciate a reply Thanks Soumit (Oct 24,1962, N Delhi, 13:40) maniv78 <maniv78 wrote: I must agree with this point. I have struggled invariably when applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars and Rahu like Saturn in my experiences with countless charts. We all know that: Saturn makes one detached, introspective and seperative; Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and 'weird'; Mars makes one aggressive, active and dynamic; Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and loaded with excessive desires; And that Ketu is commonly placed in the signs that signify satwic tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) in the charts of great spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in materialistic signs (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these configurations clearly indicate its disconnection with satwic inclinations which is more in line with nature of Mars then that of Saturn. Thus a logical conclusion with the above in mind would be that Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars like Rahu. Of course, Mars does have similarities with Ketu (technical faculties, intensity); and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); but they fail to form conclusive parallels when considering the key significations. Regards Maniv P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction to Mukund's post, (which was not aimed at you initially) has depreciated my respect for you greatly. Your response was clearly driven by an urge to demonstrate your superior knowledge, qualify the drawbacks of Islam by disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism and the ego created by your status as owner of this group. No one participating on this board is irrational enough to believe that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; general statements about religious groups/castes/races never have substance. However the indisputable fact remains that the majority of terrorist activity is carried out by groups that come under the banner of Islam. Maybe it's politically incorrect to make such statements; but why should the truth not be objectively assessed? I realize that this is board for discussions on Jyotish and related spiritualism so I apologize for lengthening this thread. If you had warned Mukundji politely and then subsequently ignored his reaction to your allegations about his character then perhaps this line of debate could have been avoided altogether. , "maniv78" <maniv78> wrote: > > , Shripal <d_shripal> > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ Ketu gives us > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have analysed several > > charts ,you will also find,people who are having > > Jup+Sat are also spritually inclined.Have you ever > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual inclination,than Ketu > > like Mars holds false. > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget about myth too,know > > since ages astrology has changed a lot and be > > practical. > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I said was > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic part.If ketu is > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is Bad it act like > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I am saying is > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in diff > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even 7th aspect is > > not there.But they influence various houses in > > chart,because bottom line they are shadow planets.What > > is shadow.All materialistic things which exists in > > this world we always have a shadow.So planets squaring > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected with > > planets,there shadows are reflected on other > > house,That's how they get a good and bad results of > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] principle from > > > JAATAKA > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups both the nodes > > > similar to SATURN > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs Mrg.)]. > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > Saturn,that's > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > I am eager to know which text supports the above > > > statement, as I have > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL examples(charts) > > > with the group > > > using THIS principle, it would be better understood. > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > <d_shripal> > > > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and > > > Ketu > > > > as individual and every word retun is true in all > > > > respect.Something addition to that.... > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a > > > Shadow > > > > planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist > > > as a > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are > > > free > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > Saturn,that's > > > > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > > > divert > > > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > > > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > > > > influence over the affairs of the house in which > > > it > > > > falls, brings out the more positive potentials of > > > the > > > > sign in which it is placed, and favours the > > > functions > > > > and energies signified by any planets or points to > > > > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and > > > gains). > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, > > > or > > > > brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions > > > or > > > > obligations in relation to the affairs of the > > > house it > > > > occupies; brings out the more negative potentials > > > of > > > > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours > > > planets > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the > > > Moon > > > > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu > > > is > > > > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs > > > Conscious > > > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations > > > that > > > > stem from the past and to which there is an inner > > > > inclination to cling although they may no longer > > > be > > > > relevant or appropriate to the individual's > > > situation > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious > > > > motivations relevant to the present and future, > > > > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > > > > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties > > > inherited > > > > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while > > > the > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > self-development in > > > > the current incarnation in order to attain > > > ultimate > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the successful > > > realisation of > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > and > > > > not only one of them exist.That too they are > > > opposite > > > > to each other all the time and retograting.I am > > > not > > > > talking in terms of there technical > > > existence.Reason > > > > is > > > > Ketu principles are not to be completely > > > overthrown > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious > > > balance > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the > > > reach > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. > > > Harmonious > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will > > > > indicate relatively easy progress along the > > > journey > > > > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. > > > The > > > > individual will frequently, on encountering > > > obstacles, > > > > be consciously inclined to give up and return to > > > the > > > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve > > > rather > > > > than through absolute force or obligation. But as > > > > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate > > > rewards of > > > > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > > > > satisfying than would be attained by an easy > > > passage. > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit > > > and > > > > progression, show the manner in which the > > > development > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; > > > while > > > > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest > > > between > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the > > > sign > > > > and house placement of the squared planet.It > > > creates a > > > > tension for a individual in there growth. > > > Quincunxes > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the > > > means > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for > > > > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > > > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction > > > with > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu > > > which I > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in > > > their > > > > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > > > > opposed to Western astrological systems which > > > tends > > > > > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > > > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, > > > sufferings, > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency > > > to > > > > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with > > > one's > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of one past > > > lives. In > > > > > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north > > > nde > > > > > represents what we should be striving towards in > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that > > > we > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. > > > Proponents of > > > > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign > > > and > > > > > house placements of the nodes, one's karmic past > > > and > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > > > > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely > > > in > > > > > transit analysis of the here and now of one's > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a > > > lot > > > > > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather > > > than > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > > > > astrological system strongly propounded this > > > view. > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining > > > how > > > > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > > > > American view, looked in at the transit > > > analysis. > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > > > > indicate where and what nature one's > > > relationship > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > > > > > nodes may have something to do with one's karma > > > and > > > > > may involve relationships with others, they are > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu > > > and > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and > > > swallow > > > > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > > > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of > > > that > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun and moon, > > > the > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, > > > hence > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and > > > lunar > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of > > > rahu , > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In > > > the > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > > > > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, > > > Since > > > > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > > > > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > > > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body > > > as > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . > > > Now > > > > > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > > > > > because of this rahu is closely associated with > > > > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because > > > rahu > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain > > > over > > > > > sufferings in general, especially chronic > > > diseases > > > > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a > > > god, > > > > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > > > > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to > > > it's > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > > > > people do things they otherwise would not by > > > making > > > > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that > > > they > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth > > > is > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always temporary. In the > > > myth > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but > > > was > > > > > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, > > > when > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may give > > > material > > > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these > > > gifts > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual > > > axiom in > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu's > > > > > influence will eventually flitter away and be > > > lost. > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : > > > You > > > > > can't take it with you .The moment you think > > > that > > > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > > > > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you > > > hungry > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as > > > dragon's > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of > > > rahu. > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism > > > , > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. > > > In > > > > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu's > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is > > > after > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality > > > onto > > > > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a person's life, > > > that > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help > > > and > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, > > > it's > > > > > influence creates denial and sometimes > > > abandonment. > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > > > > typically report that their mother was > > > emotionally > > > > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, > > > psychic > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu > > > is > > > > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > > > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, mysterious > > > > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also > > > like > > > > > to mention certain more points on the nodes > > > which I > > > > > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the > > > article > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. > > > E.g > > > > > for this I would like to mention here is that I > > > was > > > > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and > > > after > > > > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he > > > was > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > > > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his > > > wife, he > > > > > felt still there is something lacking to make > > > him > > > > > more popular world wide, he had past broken > > > affair > > > > > and at this age too he was longing a > > > companionship > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or > > > broken > > > > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due > > > to > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point > > > of > > > > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > > > > discuss what would have made him save his > > > marriage) > > > > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and > > > rahu > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > > > > > native questionable characters and sometimes > > > even to > > > > > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > > > > > before marriage and afterwards getting separated > > > and > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > > > > > such effects does Mars has something to do with > > > > > character of person apart from it hot qualities > > > of > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji > > > and > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page ETry > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Hello Members, Still we r not able to decide what is appropriate and not in our group discussions.If we this is the platform chosen beyond the scope and objectivity of sharing our knowledge and experience,certainly we need to alert and caution.What Mr Tanvir has attempted is the same.Incase the opinion of group is: "why should the truth not be objectively assessed?" let us flash back and find is it the topic in the perview of this group to assess?Who are we and to whom we are posing these isues and what %people have interst to debate on these issues and with results. I think Mr Manvir ji and other would also think and early effort will be made to think more on subject of Nodes than make other issues as nodal to seek opinions. p.s:Views on nodes are in tune iwth classics except that in reality when these r conjoined with other planets they imitate as the planets with whic they are associated.In my case Rahu is associated with Mars in a sthira rasi(Taurus) in 6th and ketu alone and unaspected by any planet in vrischik in 12th.let me also add my 8H is of cancer in which saturn.Venus and sun are associated. unless we get into D/9 to delineate and confirm all these musings only add to theoritical perspective. One of my friend happened to be twin(eldest) has experience and belief that his Ketu in it's dasa made him to get all recognitions.This is the case with his other brother whose birth happend just after 10 mts . so we have lot of instances where ketu made a spoil sport and reduced a brilliant student in his prime age unto oblivion. Also a case of drug addict in his 25s made him to succumb to a premature death(by Rahu?) All inferences have to be made by taking into wholistic approach including stellar positions to add in to our theory of Nodes. krishnan maniv78 <maniv78 wrote: I must agree with this point. I have struggled invariably when applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars and Rahu like Saturn in my experiences with countless charts. We all know that: Saturn makes one detached, introspective and seperative; Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and 'weird'; Mars makes one aggressive, active and dynamic; Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and loaded with excessive desires; And that Ketu is commonly placed in the signs that signify satwic tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) in the charts of great spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in materialistic signs (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these configurations clearly indicate its disconnection with satwic inclinations which is more in line with nature of Mars then that of Saturn. Thus a logical conclusion with the above in mind would be that Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars like Rahu. Of course, Mars does have similarities with Ketu (technical faculties, intensity); and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); but they fail to form conclusive parallels when considering the key significations. Regards Maniv P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction to Mukund's post, (which was not aimed at you initially) has depreciated my respect for you greatly. Your response was clearly driven by an urge to demonstrate your superior knowledge, qualify the drawbacks of Islam by disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism and the ego created by your status as owner of this group. No one participating on this board is irrational enough to believe that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; general statements about religious groups/castes/races never have substance. However the indisputable fact remains that the majority of terrorist activity is carried out by groups that come under the banner of Islam. Maybe it's politically incorrect to make such statements; but why should the truth not be objectively assessed? I realize that this is board for discussions on Jyotish and related spiritualism so I apologize for lengthening this thread. If you had warned Mukundji politely and then subsequently ignored his reaction to your allegations about his character then perhaps this line of debate could have been avoided altogether. , "maniv78" <maniv78> wrote: > > , Shripal <d_shripal> > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ Ketu gives us > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have analysed several > > charts ,you will also find,people who are having > > Jup+Sat are also spritually inclined.Have you ever > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual inclination,than Ketu > > like Mars holds false. > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget about myth too,know > > since ages astrology has changed a lot and be > > practical. > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I said was > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic part.If ketu is > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is Bad it act like > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I am saying is > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in diff > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even 7th aspect is > > not there.But they influence various houses in > > chart,because bottom line they are shadow planets.What > > is shadow.All materialistic things which exists in > > this world we always have a shadow.So planets squaring > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected with > > planets,there shadows are reflected on other > > house,That's how they get a good and bad results of > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] principle from > > > JAATAKA > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups both the nodes > > > similar to SATURN > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs Mrg.)]. > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > Saturn,that's > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > I am eager to know which text supports the above > > > statement, as I have > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL examples(charts) > > > with the group > > > using THIS principle, it would be better understood. > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > <d_shripal> > > > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and > > > Ketu > > > > as individual and every word retun is true in all > > > > respect.Something addition to that.... > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a > > > Shadow > > > > planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist > > > as a > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are > > > free > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > Saturn,that's > > > > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > > > divert > > > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > > > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > > > > influence over the affairs of the house in which > > > it > > > > falls, brings out the more positive potentials of > > > the > > > > sign in which it is placed, and favours the > > > functions > > > > and energies signified by any planets or points to > > > > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and > > > gains). > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, > > > or > > > > brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions > > > or > > > > obligations in relation to the affairs of the > > > house it > > > > occupies; brings out the more negative potentials > > > of > > > > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours > > > planets > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the > > > Moon > > > > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu > > > is > > > > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs > > > Conscious > > > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations > > > that > > > > stem from the past and to which there is an inner > > > > inclination to cling although they may no longer > > > be > > > > relevant or appropriate to the individual's > > > situation > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious > > > > motivations relevant to the present and future, > > > > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > > > > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties > > > inherited > > > > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while > > > the > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > self-development in > > > > the current incarnation in order to attain > > > ultimate > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the successful > > > realisation of > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > and > > > > not only one of them exist.That too they are > > > opposite > > > > to each other all the time and retograting.I am > > > not > > > > talking in terms of there technical > > > existence.Reason > > > > is > > > > Ketu principles are not to be completely > > > overthrown > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious > > > balance > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the > > > reach > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. > > > Harmonious > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will > > > > indicate relatively easy progress along the > > > journey > > > > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. > > > The > > > > individual will frequently, on encountering > > > obstacles, > > > > be consciously inclined to give up and return to > > > the > > > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve > > > rather > > > > than through absolute force or obligation. But as > > > > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate > > > rewards of > > > > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > > > > satisfying than would be attained by an easy > > > passage. > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit > > > and > > > > progression, show the manner in which the > > > development > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; > > > while > > > > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest > > > between > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the > > > sign > > > > and house placement of the squared planet.It > > > creates a > > > > tension for a individual in there growth. > > > Quincunxes > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the > > > means > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for > > > > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > > > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction > > > with > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu > > > which I > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in > > > their > > > > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > > > > opposed to Western astrological systems which > > > tends > > > > > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > > > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, > > > sufferings, > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency > > > to > > > > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with > > > one's > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of one past > > > lives. In > > > > > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north > > > nde > > > > > represents what we should be striving towards in > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that > > > we > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. > > > Proponents of > > > > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign > > > and > > > > > house placements of the nodes, one's karmic past > > > and > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > > > > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely > > > in > > > > > transit analysis of the here and now of one's > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a > > > lot > > > > > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather > > > than > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > > > > astrological system strongly propounded this > > > view. > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining > > > how > > > > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > > > > American view, looked in at the transit > > > analysis. > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > > > > indicate where and what nature one's > > > relationship > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > > > > > nodes may have something to do with one's karma > > > and > > > > > may involve relationships with others, they are > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu > > > and > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and > > > swallow > > > > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > > > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of > > > that > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun and moon, > > > the > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, > > > hence > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and > > > lunar > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of > > > rahu , > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In > > > the > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > > > > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, > > > Since > > > > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > > > > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > > > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body > > > as > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . > > > Now > > > > > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > > > > > because of this rahu is closely associated with > > > > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because > > > rahu > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain > > > over > > > > > sufferings in general, especially chronic > > > diseases > > > > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a > > > god, > > > > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > > > > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to > > > it's > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > > > > people do things they otherwise would not by > > > making > > > > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that > > > they > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth > > > is > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always temporary. In the > > > myth > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but > > > was > > > > > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, > > > when > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may give > > > material > > > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these > > > gifts > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual > > > axiom in > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu's > > > > > influence will eventually flitter away and be > > > lost. > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : > > > You > > > > > can't take it with you .The moment you think > > > that > > > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > > > > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you > > > hungry > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as > > > dragon's > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of > > > rahu. > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism > > > , > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. > > > In > > > > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu's > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is > > > after > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality > > > onto > > > > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a person's life, > > > that > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help > > > and > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, > > > it's > > > > > influence creates denial and sometimes > > > abandonment. > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > > > > typically report that their mother was > > > emotionally > > > > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, > > > psychic > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu > > > is > > > > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > > > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, mysterious > > > > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also > > > like > > > > > to mention certain more points on the nodes > > > which I > > > > > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the > > > article > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. > > > E.g > > > > > for this I would like to mention here is that I > > > was > > > > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and > > > after > > > > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he > > > was > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > > > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his > > > wife, he > > > > > felt still there is something lacking to make > > > him > > > > > more popular world wide, he had past broken > > > affair > > > > > and at this age too he was longing a > > > companionship > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or > > > broken > > > > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due > > > to > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point > > > of > > > > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > > > > discuss what would have made him save his > > > marriage) > > > > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and > > > rahu > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > > > > > native questionable characters and sometimes > > > even to > > > > > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > > > > > before marriage and afterwards getting separated > > > and > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > > > > > such effects does Mars has something to do with > > > > > character of person apart from it hot qualities > > > of > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji > > > and > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page ETry > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Dear Maniv, I do not advise to stick on to the principle 'Rahu like Saturn and Kethu like Mars' but I do think that it was coined after an extensive study of the planets, obviously by much more experienced ancestors and I don't think that they would do it SIMPLY LIKE THAT, without much study. Whether one gets success, involves many factors and not only dictums, whatever may be the number of charts one has looked at. Rather than comparing shadow planets to other planets, I would humbly place them separately to judge the chart. Otherwise, we are losing enormous amount of information they reveal, by themselves and as occupants. About nodes and Sat/Mar in your post, small doubt is - Are you sure Rahu does not lead to Spiritualism/Moksha? Are you sure Kethu does not make one attached or aggressive like Mars? Or does that mean that you have not found success using classical dictums?..just curious! yours KAD , "maniv78" <maniv78> wrote: > > I must agree with this point. I have struggled invariably when > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars and Rahu like Saturn in > my experiences with countless charts. > > We all know that: > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective and seperative; > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and 'weird'; > Mars makes one aggressive, active and dynamic; > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and loaded with excessive > desires; > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the signs that signify satwic > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) in the charts of great > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in materialistic signs > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these configurations clearly > indicate its disconnection with satwic inclinations which is more in > line with nature of Mars then that of Saturn. > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above in mind would be that > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars like Rahu. Of course, Mars > does have similarities with Ketu (technical faculties, intensity); > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); but they fail to form > conclusive parallels when considering the key significations. > > Regards > > Maniv > > P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction to Mukund's post, (which > was not aimed at you initially) has depreciated my respect for you > greatly. Your response was clearly driven by an urge to demonstrate > your superior knowledge, qualify the drawbacks of Islam by > disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism and the ego created by > your status as owner of this group. > No one participating on this board is irrational enough to believe > that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; general statements about > religious groups/castes/races never have substance. However the > indisputable fact remains that the majority of terrorist activity is > carried out by groups that come under the banner of Islam. Maybe > it's politically incorrect to make such statements; but why should > the truth not be objectively assessed? > I realize that this is board for discussions on Jyotish and related > spiritualism so I apologize for lengthening this thread. If you had > warned Mukundji politely and then subsequently ignored his reaction > to your allegations about his character then perhaps this line of > debate could have been avoided altogether. > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > wrote: > > > > , Shripal <d_shripal> > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ Ketu gives us > > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have analysed several > > > charts ,you will also find,people who are having > > > Jup+Sat are also spritually inclined.Have you ever > > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual inclination,than Ketu > > > like Mars holds false. > > > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget about myth too,know > > > since ages astrology has changed a lot and be > > > practical. > > > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I said was > > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic part.If ketu is > > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is Bad it act like > > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I am saying is > > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in diff > > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even 7th aspect is > > > not there.But they influence various houses in > > > chart,because bottom line they are shadow planets.What > > > is shadow.All materialistic things which exists in > > > this world we always have a shadow.So planets squaring > > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected with > > > planets,there shadows are reflected on other > > > house,That's how they get a good and bad results of > > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] principle from > > > > JAATAKA > > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups both the nodes > > > > similar to SATURN > > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs Mrg.)]. > > > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert > > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > I am eager to know which text supports the above > > > > statement, as I have > > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL examples(charts) > > > > with the group > > > > using THIS principle, it would be better understood. > > > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and > > > > Ketu > > > > > as individual and every word retun is true in all > > > > > respect.Something addition to that.... > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are > > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a > > > > Shadow > > > > > planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist > > > > as a > > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are > > > > free > > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > > > > divert > > > > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > > > > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > > > > > influence over the affairs of the house in which > > > > it > > > > > falls, brings out the more positive potentials of > > > > the > > > > > sign in which it is placed, and favours the > > > > functions > > > > > and energies signified by any planets or points to > > > > > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect > > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and > > > > gains). > > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, > > > > or > > > > > brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions > > > > or > > > > > obligations in relation to the affairs of the > > > > house it > > > > > occupies; brings out the more negative potentials > > > > of > > > > > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours > > > > planets > > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the > > > > Moon > > > > > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu > > > > is > > > > > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs > > > > Conscious > > > > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations > > > > that > > > > > stem from the past and to which there is an inner > > > > > inclination to cling although they may no longer > > > > be > > > > > relevant or appropriate to the individual's > > > > situation > > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious > > > > > motivations relevant to the present and future, > > > > > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > > > > > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties > > > > inherited > > > > > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while > > > > the > > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > > self-development in > > > > > the current incarnation in order to attain > > > > ultimate > > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the successful > > > > realisation of > > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > > and > > > > > not only one of them exist.That too they are > > > > opposite > > > > > to each other all the time and retograting.I am > > > > not > > > > > talking in terms of there technical > > > > existence.Reason > > > > > is > > > > > Ketu principles are not to be completely > > > > overthrown > > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious > > > > balance > > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the > > > > reach > > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. > > > > Harmonious > > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will > > > > > indicate relatively easy progress along the > > > > journey > > > > > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and > > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. > > > > The > > > > > individual will frequently, on encountering > > > > obstacles, > > > > > be consciously inclined to give up and return to > > > > the > > > > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve > > > > rather > > > > > than through absolute force or obligation. But as > > > > > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate > > > > rewards of > > > > > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > > > > > satisfying than would be attained by an easy > > > > passage. > > > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit > > > > and > > > > > progression, show the manner in which the > > > > development > > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; > > > > while > > > > > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. > > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest > > > > between > > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the > > > > sign > > > > > and house placement of the squared planet.It > > > > creates a > > > > > tension for a individual in there growth. > > > > Quincunxes > > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the > > > > means > > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for > > > > > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > > > > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction > > > > with > > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu > > > > which I > > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in > > > > their > > > > > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > > > > > opposed to Western astrological systems which > > > > tends > > > > > > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > > > > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, > > > > sufferings, > > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency > > > > to > > > > > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with > > > > one's > > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of one past > > > > lives. In > > > > > > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north > > > > nde > > > > > > represents what we should be striving towards in > > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that > > > > we > > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. > > > > Proponents of > > > > > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign > > > > and > > > > > > house placements of the nodes, one's karmic past > > > > and > > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > > > > > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely > > > > in > > > > > > transit analysis of the here and now of one's > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > > > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a > > > > lot > > > > > > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather > > > > than > > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > > > > > astrological system strongly propounded this > > > > view. > > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining > > > > how > > > > > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > > > > > American view, looked in at the transit > > > > analysis. > > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > > > > > indicate where and what nature one's > > > > relationship > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > > > > > > nodes may have something to do with one's karma > > > > and > > > > > > may involve relationships with others, they are > > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu > > > > and > > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and > > > > swallow > > > > > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > > > > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of > > > > that > > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun and moon, > > > > the > > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, > > > > hence > > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and > > > > lunar > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of > > > > rahu , > > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In > > > > the > > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > > > > > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, > > > > Since > > > > > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > > > > > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > > > > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body > > > > as > > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . > > > > Now > > > > > > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > > > > > > because of this rahu is closely associated with > > > > > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because > > > > rahu > > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain > > > > over > > > > > > sufferings in general, especially chronic > > > > diseases > > > > > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a > > > > god, > > > > > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > > > > > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to > > > > it's > > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > > > > > people do things they otherwise would not by > > > > making > > > > > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that > > > > they > > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth > > > > is > > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always temporary. In the > > > > myth > > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but > > > > was > > > > > > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, > > > > when > > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may give > > > > material > > > > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these > > > > gifts > > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual > > > > axiom in > > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu's > > > > > > influence will eventually flitter away and be > > > > lost. > > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : > > > > You > > > > > > can't take it with you .The moment you think > > > > that > > > > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > > > > > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you > > > > hungry > > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as > > > > dragon's > > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of > > > > rahu. > > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism > > > > , > > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. > > > > In > > > > > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu's > > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is > > > > after > > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality > > > > onto > > > > > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a person's life, > > > > that > > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help > > > > and > > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, > > > > it's > > > > > > influence creates denial and sometimes > > > > abandonment. > > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > > > > > typically report that their mother was > > > > emotionally > > > > > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, > > > > psychic > > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu > > > > is > > > > > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > > > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > > > > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, mysterious > > > > > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also > > > > like > > > > > > to mention certain more points on the nodes > > > > which I > > > > > > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the > > > > article > > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. > > > > E.g > > > > > > for this I would like to mention here is that I > > > > was > > > > > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and > > > > after > > > > > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he > > > > was > > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > > > > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his > > > > wife, he > > > > > > felt still there is something lacking to make > > > > him > > > > > > more popular world wide, he had past broken > > > > affair > > > > > > and at this age too he was longing a > > > > companionship > > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or > > > > broken > > > > > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due > > > > to > > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point > > > > of > > > > > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > > > > > discuss what would have made him save his > > > > marriage) > > > > > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and > > > > rahu > > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > > > > > > native questionable characters and sometimes > > > > even to > > > > > > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > > > > > > before marriage and afterwards getting separated > > > > and > > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > > > > > > such effects does Mars has something to do with > > > > > > character of person apart from it hot qualities > > > > of > > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji > > > > and > > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page ETry > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 I think this principle/adage/recommendation (kujavata etc) as well as badhaka principle and to some extent astangata dosha were primarily coined in the context of muhurthas and prashnaas. Like everything else (including avayogi/yogi and many others) into natal astrology too fluidly. RR , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> wrote: > > Dear Maniv, > > I do not advise to stick on to the principle 'Rahu like Saturn and > Kethu like Mars' but I do think that it was coined after > an extensive study of the planets, obviously by much more experienced > ancestors and I don't think that they would do it SIMPLY > LIKE THAT, without much study. Whether one gets success, involves > many factors and not only dictums, whatever may be the number > of charts one has looked at. Rather than comparing shadow planets to > other planets, I would humbly place them separately to > judge the chart. Otherwise, we are losing enormous amount of > information they reveal, by themselves and as occupants. > > > About nodes and Sat/Mar in your post, small doubt is - Are you sure > Rahu does not lead to Spiritualism/Moksha? > Are you sure Kethu does not make one attached or aggressive like > Mars? Or does that mean that you have not found > success using classical dictums?..just curious! > > yours > KAD > > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > wrote: > > > > I must agree with this point. I have struggled invariably when > > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars and Rahu like Saturn in > > my experiences with countless charts. > > > > We all know that: > > > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective and seperative; > > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and 'weird'; > > Mars makes one aggressive, active and dynamic; > > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and loaded with excessive > > desires; > > > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the signs that signify satwic > > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) in the charts of great > > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in materialistic signs > > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these configurations clearly > > indicate its disconnection with satwic inclinations which is more > in > > line with nature of Mars then that of Saturn. > > > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above in mind would be that > > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars like Rahu. Of course, > Mars > > does have similarities with Ketu (technical faculties, intensity); > > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); but they fail to form > > conclusive parallels when considering the key significations. > > > > Regards > > > > Maniv > > > > P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction to Mukund's post, (which > > was not aimed at you initially) has depreciated my respect for you > > greatly. Your response was clearly driven by an urge to demonstrate > > your superior knowledge, qualify the drawbacks of Islam by > > disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism and the ego created by > > your status as owner of this group. > > No one participating on this board is irrational enough to believe > > that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; general statements about > > religious groups/castes/races never have substance. However the > > indisputable fact remains that the majority of terrorist activity > is > > carried out by groups that come under the banner of Islam. Maybe > > it's politically incorrect to make such statements; but why should > > the truth not be objectively assessed? > > I realize that this is board for discussions on Jyotish and related > > spiritualism so I apologize for lengthening this thread. If you had > > warned Mukundji politely and then subsequently ignored his reaction > > to your allegations about his character then perhaps this line of > > debate could have been avoided altogether. > > > > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > > wrote: > > > > > > , Shripal <d_shripal> > > > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ Ketu gives us > > > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have analysed several > > > > charts ,you will also find,people who are having > > > > Jup+Sat are also spritually inclined.Have you ever > > > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual inclination,than Ketu > > > > like Mars holds false. > > > > > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget about myth too,know > > > > since ages astrology has changed a lot and be > > > > practical. > > > > > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I said was > > > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic part.If ketu is > > > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is Bad it act like > > > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I am saying is > > > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in diff > > > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even 7th aspect is > > > > not there.But they influence various houses in > > > > chart,because bottom line they are shadow planets.What > > > > is shadow.All materialistic things which exists in > > > > this world we always have a shadow.So planets squaring > > > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected with > > > > planets,there shadows are reflected on other > > > > house,That's how they get a good and bad results of > > > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > > > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] principle from > > > > > JAATAKA > > > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups both the nodes > > > > > similar to SATURN > > > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs Mrg.)]. > > > > > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert > > > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > I am eager to know which text supports the above > > > > > statement, as I have > > > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL examples(charts) > > > > > with the group > > > > > using THIS principle, it would be better understood. > > > > > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > as individual and every word retun is true in all > > > > > > respect.Something addition to that.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are > > > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a > > > > > Shadow > > > > > > planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist > > > > > as a > > > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are > > > > > free > > > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > > > > > divert > > > > > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > > > > > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > > > > > > influence over the affairs of the house in which > > > > > it > > > > > > falls, brings out the more positive potentials of > > > > > the > > > > > > sign in which it is placed, and favours the > > > > > functions > > > > > > and energies signified by any planets or points to > > > > > > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect > > > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and > > > > > gains). > > > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, > > > > > or > > > > > > brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions > > > > > or > > > > > > obligations in relation to the affairs of the > > > > > house it > > > > > > occupies; brings out the more negative potentials > > > > > of > > > > > > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours > > > > > planets > > > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the > > > > > Moon > > > > > > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > > > > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu > > > > > is > > > > > > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs > > > > > Conscious > > > > > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations > > > > > that > > > > > > stem from the past and to which there is an inner > > > > > > inclination to cling although they may no longer > > > > > be > > > > > > relevant or appropriate to the individual's > > > > > situation > > > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious > > > > > > motivations relevant to the present and future, > > > > > > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > > > > > > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties > > > > > inherited > > > > > > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while > > > > > the > > > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > > > self-development in > > > > > > the current incarnation in order to attain > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the successful > > > > > realisation of > > > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > > > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > > > and > > > > > > not only one of them exist.That too they are > > > > > opposite > > > > > > to each other all the time and retograting.I am > > > > > not > > > > > > talking in terms of there technical > > > > > existence.Reason > > > > > > is > > > > > > Ketu principles are not to be completely > > > > > overthrown > > > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious > > > > > balance > > > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the > > > > > reach > > > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. > > > > > Harmonious > > > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will > > > > > > indicate relatively easy progress along the > > > > > journey > > > > > > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and > > > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. > > > > > The > > > > > > individual will frequently, on encountering > > > > > obstacles, > > > > > > be consciously inclined to give up and return to > > > > > the > > > > > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve > > > > > rather > > > > > > than through absolute force or obligation. But as > > > > > > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate > > > > > rewards of > > > > > > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > > > > > > satisfying than would be attained by an easy > > > > > passage. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit > > > > > and > > > > > > progression, show the manner in which the > > > > > development > > > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > > > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; > > > > > while > > > > > > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. > > > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest > > > > > between > > > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the > > > > > sign > > > > > > and house placement of the squared planet.It > > > > > creates a > > > > > > tension for a individual in there growth. > > > > > Quincunxes > > > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the > > > > > means > > > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for > > > > > > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > > > > > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > > > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction > > > > > with > > > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu > > > > > which I > > > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > > > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in > > > > > their > > > > > > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > > > > > > opposed to Western astrological systems which > > > > > tends > > > > > > > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > > > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > > > > > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, > > > > > sufferings, > > > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency > > > > > to > > > > > > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with > > > > > one's > > > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of one past > > > > > lives. In > > > > > > > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > > > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north > > > > > nde > > > > > > > represents what we should be striving towards in > > > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > > > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that > > > > > we > > > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. > > > > > Proponents of > > > > > > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign > > > > > and > > > > > > > house placements of the nodes, one's karmic past > > > > > and > > > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > > > > > > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely > > > > > in > > > > > > > transit analysis of the here and now of one's > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > > > > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a > > > > > lot > > > > > > > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather > > > > > than > > > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > > > > > > astrological system strongly propounded this > > > > > view. > > > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining > > > > > how > > > > > > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > > > > > > American view, looked in at the transit > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > > > > > > indicate where and what nature one's > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > > > > > > > nodes may have something to do with one's karma > > > > > and > > > > > > > may involve relationships with others, they are > > > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu > > > > > and > > > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and > > > > > swallow > > > > > > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > > > > > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of > > > > > that > > > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun and moon, > > > > > the > > > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, > > > > > hence > > > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and > > > > > lunar > > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of > > > > > rahu , > > > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > > > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In > > > > > the > > > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > > > > > > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, > > > > > Since > > > > > > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > > > > > > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > > > > > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body > > > > > as > > > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > > > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . > > > > > Now > > > > > > > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > > > > > > > because of this rahu is closely associated with > > > > > > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > > > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > > > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain > > > > > over > > > > > > > sufferings in general, especially chronic > > > > > diseases > > > > > > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a > > > > > god, > > > > > > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > > > > > > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to > > > > > it's > > > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > > > > > > people do things they otherwise would not by > > > > > making > > > > > > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that > > > > > they > > > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth > > > > > is > > > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always temporary. In the > > > > > myth > > > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but > > > > > was > > > > > > > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, > > > > > when > > > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may give > > > > > material > > > > > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these > > > > > gifts > > > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual > > > > > axiom in > > > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu's > > > > > > > influence will eventually flitter away and be > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : > > > > > You > > > > > > > can't take it with you .The moment you think > > > > > that > > > > > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > > > > > > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you > > > > > hungry > > > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as > > > > > dragon's > > > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of > > > > > rahu. > > > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism > > > > > , > > > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. > > > > > In > > > > > > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu's > > > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is > > > > > after > > > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality > > > > > onto > > > > > > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > > > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a person's life, > > > > > that > > > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help > > > > > and > > > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, > > > > > it's > > > > > > > influence creates denial and sometimes > > > > > abandonment. > > > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > > > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > > > > > > typically report that their mother was > > > > > emotionally > > > > > > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu > > > > > is > > > > > > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > > > > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > > > > > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, mysterious > > > > > > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also > > > > > like > > > > > > > to mention certain more points on the nodes > > > > > which I > > > > > > > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the > > > > > article > > > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. > > > > > E.g > > > > > > > for this I would like to mention here is that I > > > > > was > > > > > > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and > > > > > after > > > > > > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he > > > > > was > > > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > > > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > > > > > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his > > > > > wife, he > > > > > > > felt still there is something lacking to make > > > > > him > > > > > > > more popular world wide, he had past broken > > > > > affair > > > > > > > and at this age too he was longing a > > > > > companionship > > > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > > > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or > > > > > broken > > > > > > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due > > > > > to > > > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point > > > > > of > > > > > > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > > > > > > discuss what would have made him save his > > > > > marriage) > > > > > > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > > > > > > > native questionable characters and sometimes > > > > > even to > > > > > > > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > > > > > > > before marriage and afterwards getting separated > > > > > and > > > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > > > > > > > such effects does Mars has something to do with > > > > > > > character of person apart from it hot qualities > > > > > of > > > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji > > > > > and > > > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page ETry > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Hi, I have Ketu in Cancer in 12th which is aspected by 6th/7th house lord Saturn in Taurus in 10th and 5th/8th house lord Jupiter in Scorpio in 4th. My Ketu in Cancer is disposited by Moon in Aquarius in 7th house. My Moon is in Satabisha. I also have Rahu in Capricorn in 12th house from the Moon. No planets aspect my Rahu. I am very interested in spirituality,but I don't believe in being part of any organized religion. I am preparing for a career in the holistic healing field. I am also a person with a history of Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and ADD. I have been in the special ed system for 3 years(1st and 2nd grade which I repeated). I was mistakened as mentally retarded and was ridiculed by normal kids for being in special ed,having coordination and speech problems. I have above average intelligence. I do have 1st house lord Sun, 2nd/11th house lord Mercury,3rd/10th house lord Venus in Libra in 3rd house,and so it aspects the 9th house. I also have Sun,Mercury,and Venus in 9th house from the Moon. I have been misdiagnosed as schizoaffective bipolar disorder. A lot of adult ADDers are misdiagnosed as bipolar too. I went to a psychologist for learning disability/ADHD assessment. I was diagnosed inattentive type ADHD,Generalized Anxiety Disorder,Dysthymic Disorder,Avoidant Personality Disorder,and per history:Developmental Coordination Disorder(notably in past). She didn't diagnose me with any bipolar nor psychotic disorder like those psychiatrists did. She actually listened to me and my mother. She did psychological testing. The psychiatrists never did that with me. I don't trust psychiatrists at all. I wonder if my Ketu in 6th house from the Moon has anything to do with being misdiagnosed as well as hypersensitivity to medications. I get side effects easily from medications because of my hypersensitive body. My Saturn is 4th house from the Moon and aspects my Ketu in 6th house. My mother has health problems including Depression,Anxiety,Diabetes,Hepatitis C,and Asthma. She was shot when I was 3 yrs old,and I was with her when it happened. She had a blood transfusion,and that is why she has Hepatitis C. She is disabled from the shooting. She hasn't worked since 1993. I am multiethnic too (Black,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,Puerto Rican,Native American,and Jewish) I have dealt with prejudice because of my mixed ethnic background by both blacks and whites. It is my mixed ethnic background that helped me believe in unity and universal love. My mother told me that my father believed the same. I feel that I have heavy karma. I feel that my great suffering has led to me having great compassion for people. I have experienced losses too. I never knew my father. He was out of my life when I was a year old. My mother showed me a picture when I was 6 yrs old to show her who my father was. He had drug problems. He also had speech problems like me including stammering and stuttering. My maternal grandfather committed suicide on Jan 25, 1998. His death changed me. It was a catalyst for me. I got back into believing in God again after 2 years of atheism. I got more interested in the metaphysical. Transiting Ketu was conjunct my 12th house lord Moon in 7th when he committed suicide. I believe that great gain can result from a great loss. I definitely can relate to my Ketu in Cancer in 12th october 29, 1971 3:20 am san francisco, california Raymond Raymond , vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > Hello Members, > Still we r not able to decide what is appropriate and not in our group discussions.If we this is the platform chosen beyond the scope and objectivity of sharing our knowledge and experience,certainly we need to alert and caution.What Mr Tanvir has attempted is the same.Incase the opinion of group is: > "why should > the truth not be objectively assessed?" > let us flash back and find is it the topic in the perview of this group to assess?Who are we and to whom we are posing these isues and what %people have interst to debate on these issues and with results. > I think Mr Manvir ji and other would also think and early effort will be made to think more on subject of Nodes than make other issues as nodal to seek opinions. > p.s:Views on nodes are in tune iwth classics except that in reality when these r conjoined with other planets they imitate as the planets with whic they are associated.In my case Rahu is associated with Mars in a sthira rasi(Taurus) in 6th and ketu alone and unaspected by any planet in vrischik in 12th.let me also add my 8H is of cancer in which saturn.Venus and sun are associated. > unless we get into D/9 to delineate and confirm all these musings only add to theoritical perspective. > One of my friend happened to be twin(eldest) has experience and belief that his Ketu in it's dasa made him to get all recognitions.This is the case with his other brother whose birth happend just after 10 mts . > so we have lot of instances where ketu made a spoil sport and reduced a brilliant student in his prime age unto oblivion. > Also a case of drug addict in his 25s made him to succumb to a premature death(by Rahu?) > All inferences have to be made by taking into wholistic approach including stellar positions to add in to our theory of Nodes. > krishnan > > > maniv78 <maniv78> wrote: > > I must agree with this point. I have struggled invariably when > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars and Rahu like Saturn in > my experiences with countless charts. > > We all know that: > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective and seperative; > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and 'weird'; > Mars makes one aggressive, active and dynamic; > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and loaded with excessive > desires; > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the signs that signify satwic > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) in the charts of great > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in materialistic signs > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these configurations clearly > indicate its disconnection with satwic inclinations which is more in > line with nature of Mars then that of Saturn. > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above in mind would be that > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars like Rahu. Of course, Mars > does have similarities with Ketu (technical faculties, intensity); > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); but they fail to form > conclusive parallels when considering the key significations. > > Regards > > Maniv > > P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction to Mukund's post, (which > was not aimed at you initially) has depreciated my respect for you > greatly. Your response was clearly driven by an urge to demonstrate > your superior knowledge, qualify the drawbacks of Islam by > disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism and the ego created by > your status as owner of this group. > No one participating on this board is irrational enough to believe > that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; general statements about > religious groups/castes/races never have substance. However the > indisputable fact remains that the majority of terrorist activity is > carried out by groups that come under the banner of Islam. Maybe > it's politically incorrect to make such statements; but why should > the truth not be objectively assessed? > I realize that this is board for discussions on Jyotish and related > spiritualism so I apologize for lengthening this thread. If you had > warned Mukundji politely and then subsequently ignored his reaction > to your allegations about his character then perhaps this line of > debate could have been avoided altogether. > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > wrote: > > > > , Shripal <d_shripal> > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ Ketu gives us > > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have analysed several > > > charts ,you will also find,people who are having > > > Jup+Sat are also spritually inclined.Have you ever > > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual inclination,than Ketu > > > like Mars holds false. > > > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget about myth too,know > > > since ages astrology has changed a lot and be > > > practical. > > > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I said was > > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic part.If ketu is > > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is Bad it act like > > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I am saying is > > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in diff > > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even 7th aspect is > > > not there.But they influence various houses in > > > chart,because bottom line they are shadow planets.What > > > is shadow.All materialistic things which exists in > > > this world we always have a shadow.So planets squaring > > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected with > > > planets,there shadows are reflected on other > > > house,That's how they get a good and bad results of > > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] principle from > > > > JAATAKA > > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups both the nodes > > > > similar to SATURN > > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs Mrg.)]. > > > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert > > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > I am eager to know which text supports the above > > > > statement, as I have > > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL examples(charts) > > > > with the group > > > > using THIS principle, it would be better understood. > > > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and > > > > Ketu > > > > > as individual and every word retun is true in all > > > > > respect.Something addition to that.... > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are > > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a > > > > Shadow > > > > > planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist > > > > as a > > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are > > > > free > > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > > > > divert > > > > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > > > > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > > > > > influence over the affairs of the house in which > > > > it > > > > > falls, brings out the more positive potentials of > > > > the > > > > > sign in which it is placed, and favours the > > > > functions > > > > > and energies signified by any planets or points to > > > > > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect > > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and > > > > gains). > > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, > > > > or > > > > > brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions > > > > or > > > > > obligations in relation to the affairs of the > > > > house it > > > > > occupies; brings out the more negative potentials > > > > of > > > > > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours > > > > planets > > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the > > > > Moon > > > > > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu > > > > is > > > > > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs > > > > Conscious > > > > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations > > > > that > > > > > stem from the past and to which there is an inner > > > > > inclination to cling although they may no longer > > > > be > > > > > relevant or appropriate to the individual's > > > > situation > > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious > > > > > motivations relevant to the present and future, > > > > > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > > > > > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties > > > > inherited > > > > > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while > > > > the > > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > > self-development in > > > > > the current incarnation in order to attain > > > > ultimate > > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the successful > > > > realisation of > > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > > and > > > > > not only one of them exist.That too they are > > > > opposite > > > > > to each other all the time and retograting.I am > > > > not > > > > > talking in terms of there technical > > > > existence.Reason > > > > > is > > > > > Ketu principles are not to be completely > > > > overthrown > > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious > > > > balance > > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the > > > > reach > > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. > > > > Harmonious > > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will > > > > > indicate relatively easy progress along the > > > > journey > > > > > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and > > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. > > > > The > > > > > individual will frequently, on encountering > > > > obstacles, > > > > > be consciously inclined to give up and return to > > > > the > > > > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve > > > > rather > > > > > than through absolute force or obligation. But as > > > > > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate > > > > rewards of > > > > > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > > > > > satisfying than would be attained by an easy > > > > passage. > > > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit > > > > and > > > > > progression, show the manner in which the > > > > development > > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; > > > > while > > > > > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. > > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest > > > > between > > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the > > > > sign > > > > > and house placement of the squared planet.It > > > > creates a > > > > > tension for a individual in there growth. > > > > Quincunxes > > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the > > > > means > > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for > > > > > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > > > > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction > > > > with > > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu > > > > which I > > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in > > > > their > > > > > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > > > > > opposed to Western astrological systems which > > > > tends > > > > > > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > > > > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, > > > > sufferings, > > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency > > > > to > > > > > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with > > > > one's > > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of one past > > > > lives. In > > > > > > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north > > > > nde > > > > > > represents what we should be striving towards in > > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that > > > > we > > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. > > > > Proponents of > > > > > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign > > > > and > > > > > > house placements of the nodes, one's karmic past > > > > and > > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > > > > > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely > > > > in > > > > > > transit analysis of the here and now of one's > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > > > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a > > > > lot > > > > > > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather > > > > than > > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > > > > > astrological system strongly propounded this > > > > view. > > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining > > > > how > > > > > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > > > > > American view, looked in at the transit > > > > analysis. > > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > > > > > indicate where and what nature one's > > > > relationship > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > > > > > > nodes may have something to do with one's karma > > > > and > > > > > > may involve relationships with others, they are > > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu > > > > and > > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and > > > > swallow > > > > > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > > > > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of > > > > that > > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun and moon, > > > > the > > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, > > > > hence > > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and > > > > lunar > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of > > > > rahu , > > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In > > > > the > > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > > > > > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, > > > > Since > > > > > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > > > > > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > > > > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body > > > > as > > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . > > > > Now > > > > > > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > > > > > > because of this rahu is closely associated with > > > > > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because > > > > rahu > > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain > > > > over > > > > > > sufferings in general, especially chronic > > > > diseases > > > > > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a > > > > god, > > > > > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > > > > > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to > > > > it's > > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > > > > > people do things they otherwise would not by > > > > making > > > > > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that > > > > they > > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth > > > > is > > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always temporary. In the > > > > myth > > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but > > > > was > > > > > > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, > > > > when > > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may give > > > > material > > > > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these > > > > gifts > > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual > > > > axiom in > > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu's > > > > > > influence will eventually flitter away and be > > > > lost. > > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : > > > > You > > > > > > can't take it with you .The moment you think > > > > that > > > > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > > > > > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you > > > > hungry > > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as > > > > dragon's > > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of > > > > rahu. > > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism > > > > , > > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. > > > > In > > > > > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu's > > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is > > > > after > > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality > > > > onto > > > > > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a person's life, > > > > that > > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help > > > > and > > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, > > > > it's > > > > > > influence creates denial and sometimes > > > > abandonment. > > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > > > > > typically report that their mother was > > > > emotionally > > > > > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, > > > > psychic > > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu > > > > is > > > > > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > > > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > > > > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, mysterious > > > > > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also > > > > like > > > > > > to mention certain more points on the nodes > > > > which I > > > > > > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the > > > > article > > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. > > > > E.g > > > > > > for this I would like to mention here is that I > > > > was > > > > > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and > > > > after > > > > > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he > > > > was > > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > > > > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his > > > > wife, he > > > > > > felt still there is something lacking to make > > > > him > > > > > > more popular world wide, he had past broken > > > > affair > > > > > > and at this age too he was longing a > > > > companionship > > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or > > > > broken > > > > > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due > > > > to > > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point > > > > of > > > > > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > > > > > discuss what would have made him save his > > > > marriage) > > > > > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and > > > > rahu > > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > > > > > > native questionable characters and sometimes > > > > even to > > > > > > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > > > > > > before marriage and afterwards getting separated > > > > and > > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > > > > > > such effects does Mars has something to do with > > > > > > character of person apart from it hot qualities > > > > of > > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji > > > > and > > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page ETry > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Soumit; It is extremely difficult to give instant predictions when no specific query has been assigned. The following statements are based on a brief look at your chart and are by no means conclusive indicators of future events. The 1st and 7th houses are caught up in the Rahu-Ketu axis and this more often then not promises major ups and downs in life. This affliction is, of course, worsened by the conjunctions of Saturn and Mars with the Nodes. With Mars and Sun debilitated ( Sun is also afflicted by the aspects of Saturn and Mars) and Moon placed in the 8th house you have further afflictions that are likely to have effected key areas of your life; especially marriage/married life. Assessing the impact of Rahu-Ketu is a complex affair when they are so closely connected with the two key malefics and when there are other badly afflicted planets in the chart. Major obstacles will arise time and time again when the route of material objectives/attachments is chosen. Spirituality is indicated by the Saturn-Ketu conjunction in Capricorn ascendant; the exaltation of 9th lord Mercury and the aspect of Jupiter on the Moon. These configurations imply that you have evolved sufficiently to develop the perception that enables constructive and dynamic character reforming introspection. Rahu dasha runs till 2011 so challenges will persist; Rahu-Venus may bring a brief spell of sunshine but the clouds will remain most probably until the commencement of Jupiter dasha in 2011. Regards Maniv , Soumit Guha <java_sgt> wrote: > Hi Maniv, > I have Saturn conjunct Ketu (100%) in Capricorn(Asc) and Mars conjunct Rahu (<1 deg off) in Cancer (7th). And everybody i guess is fully aspecting everyboydy else and that too right in the center of the houses. > > I was therefore very interested in this thread and relate 100% to what you just said > Could you look into the crystal ball and tell me, what choppy waters lie ahead for me. > My ride has been quite bumpy. > Appreciate a reply > Thanks > Soumit (Oct 24,1962, N Delhi, 13:40) > > > maniv78 <maniv78> wrote: > > I must agree with this point. I have struggled invariably when > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars and Rahu like Saturn in > my experiences with countless charts. > > We all know that: > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective and seperative; > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and 'weird'; > Mars makes one aggressive, active and dynamic; > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and loaded with excessive > desires; > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the signs that signify satwic > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) in the charts of great > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in materialistic signs > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these configurations clearly > indicate its disconnection with satwic inclinations which is more in > line with nature of Mars then that of Saturn. > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above in mind would be that > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars like Rahu. Of course, Mars > does have similarities with Ketu (technical faculties, intensity); > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); but they fail to form > conclusive parallels when considering the key significations. > > Regards > > Maniv > > P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction to Mukund's post, (which > was not aimed at you initially) has depreciated my respect for you > greatly. Your response was clearly driven by an urge to demonstrate > your superior knowledge, qualify the drawbacks of Islam by > disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism and the ego created by > your status as owner of this group. > No one participating on this board is irrational enough to believe > that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; general statements about > religious groups/castes/races never have substance. However the > indisputable fact remains that the majority of terrorist activity is > carried out by groups that come under the banner of Islam. Maybe > it's politically incorrect to make such statements; but why should > the truth not be objectively assessed? > I realize that this is board for discussions on Jyotish and related > spiritualism so I apologize for lengthening this thread. If you had > warned Mukundji politely and then subsequently ignored his reaction > to your allegations about his character then perhaps this line of > debate could have been avoided altogether. > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > wrote: > > > > , Shripal <d_shripal> > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ Ketu gives us > > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have analysed several > > > charts ,you will also find,people who are having > > > Jup+Sat are also spritually inclined.Have you ever > > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual inclination,than Ketu > > > like Mars holds false. > > > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget about myth too,know > > > since ages astrology has changed a lot and be > > > practical. > > > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I said was > > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic part.If ketu is > > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is Bad it act like > > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I am saying is > > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in diff > > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even 7th aspect is > > > not there.But they influence various houses in > > > chart,because bottom line they are shadow planets.What > > > is shadow.All materialistic things which exists in > > > this world we always have a shadow.So planets squaring > > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected with > > > planets,there shadows are reflected on other > > > house,That's how they get a good and bad results of > > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] principle from > > > > JAATAKA > > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups both the nodes > > > > similar to SATURN > > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs Mrg.)]. > > > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert > > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > I am eager to know which text supports the above > > > > statement, as I have > > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL examples(charts) > > > > with the group > > > > using THIS principle, it would be better understood. > > > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and > > > > Ketu > > > > > as individual and every word retun is true in all > > > > > respect.Something addition to that.... > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are > > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a > > > > Shadow > > > > > planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist > > > > as a > > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are > > > > free > > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > > > > divert > > > > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > > > > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > > > > > influence over the affairs of the house in which > > > > it > > > > > falls, brings out the more positive potentials of > > > > the > > > > > sign in which it is placed, and favours the > > > > functions > > > > > and energies signified by any planets or points to > > > > > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect > > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and > > > > gains). > > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, > > > > or > > > > > brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions > > > > or > > > > > obligations in relation to the affairs of the > > > > house it > > > > > occupies; brings out the more negative potentials > > > > of > > > > > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours > > > > planets > > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the > > > > Moon > > > > > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu > > > > is > > > > > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs > > > > Conscious > > > > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations > > > > that > > > > > stem from the past and to which there is an inner > > > > > inclination to cling although they may no longer > > > > be > > > > > relevant or appropriate to the individual's > > > > situation > > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious > > > > > motivations relevant to the present and future, > > > > > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > > > > > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties > > > > inherited > > > > > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while > > > > the > > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > > self-development in > > > > > the current incarnation in order to attain > > > > ultimate > > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the successful > > > > realisation of > > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > > and > > > > > not only one of them exist.That too they are > > > > opposite > > > > > to each other all the time and retograting.I am > > > > not > > > > > talking in terms of there technical > > > > existence.Reason > > > > > is > > > > > Ketu principles are not to be completely > > > > overthrown > > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious > > > > balance > > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the > > > > reach > > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. > > > > Harmonious > > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will > > > > > indicate relatively easy progress along the > > > > journey > > > > > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and > > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. > > > > The > > > > > individual will frequently, on encountering > > > > obstacles, > > > > > be consciously inclined to give up and return to > > > > the > > > > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve > > > > rather > > > > > than through absolute force or obligation. But as > > > > > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate > > > > rewards of > > > > > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > > > > > satisfying than would be attained by an easy > > > > passage. > > > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit > > > > and > > > > > progression, show the manner in which the > > > > development > > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; > > > > while > > > > > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. > > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest > > > > between > > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the > > > > sign > > > > > and house placement of the squared planet.It > > > > creates a > > > > > tension for a individual in there growth. > > > > Quincunxes > > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the > > > > means > > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for > > > > > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > > > > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction > > > > with > > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu > > > > which I > > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in > > > > their > > > > > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > > > > > opposed to Western astrological systems which > > > > tends > > > > > > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > > > > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, > > > > sufferings, > > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency > > > > to > > > > > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with > > > > one's > > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of one past > > > > lives. In > > > > > > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north > > > > nde > > > > > > represents what we should be striving towards in > > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that > > > > we > > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. > > > > Proponents of > > > > > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign > > > > and > > > > > > house placements of the nodes, one's karmic past > > > > and > > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > > > > > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely > > > > in > > > > > > transit analysis of the here and now of one's > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > > > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a > > > > lot > > > > > > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather > > > > than > > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > > > > > astrological system strongly propounded this > > > > view. > > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining > > > > how > > > > > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > > > > > American view, looked in at the transit > > > > analysis. > > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > > > > > indicate where and what nature one's > > > > relationship > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > > > > > > nodes may have something to do with one's karma > > > > and > > > > > > may involve relationships with others, they are > > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu > > > > and > > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and > > > > swallow > > > > > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > > > > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of > > > > that > > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun and moon, > > > > the > > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, > > > > hence > > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and > > > > lunar > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of > > > > rahu , > > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In > > > > the > > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > > > > > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, > > > > Since > > > > > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > > > > > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > > > > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body > > > > as > > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . > > > > Now > > > > > > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > > > > > > because of this rahu is closely associated with > > > > > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because > > > > rahu > > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain > > > > over > > > > > > sufferings in general, especially chronic > > > > diseases > > > > > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a > > > > god, > > > > > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > > > > > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to > > > > it's > > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > > > > > people do things they otherwise would not by > > > > making > > > > > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that > > > > they > > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth > > > > is > > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always temporary. In the > > > > myth > > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but > > > > was > > > > > > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, > > > > when > > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may give > > > > material > > > > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these > > > > gifts > > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual > > > > axiom in > > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu's > > > > > > influence will eventually flitter away and be > > > > lost. > > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : > > > > You > > > > > > can't take it with you .The moment you think > > > > that > > > > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > > > > > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you > > > > hungry > > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as > > > > dragon's > > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of > > > > rahu. > > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism > > > > , > > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. > > > > In > > > > > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu's > > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is > > > > after > > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality > > > > onto > > > > > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a person's life, > > > > that > > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help > > > > and > > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, > > > > it's > > > > > > influence creates denial and sometimes > > > > abandonment. > > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > > > > > typically report that their mother was > > > > emotionally > > > > > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, > > > > psychic > > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu > > > > is > > > > > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > > > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > > > > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, mysterious > > > > > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also > > > > like > > > > > > to mention certain more points on the nodes > > > > which I > > > > > > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the > > > > article > > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. > > > > E.g > > > > > > for this I would like to mention here is that I > > > > was > > > > > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and > > > > after > > > > > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he > > > > was > > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > > > > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his > > > > wife, he > > > > > > felt still there is something lacking to make > > > > him > > > > > > more popular world wide, he had past broken > > > > affair > > > > > > and at this age too he was longing a > > > > companionship > > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or > > > > broken > > > > > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due > > > > to > > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point > > > > of > > > > > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > > > > > discuss what would have made him save his > > > > marriage) > > > > > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and > > > > rahu > > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > > > > > > native questionable characters and sometimes > > > > even to > > > > > > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > > > > > > before marriage and afterwards getting separated > > > > and > > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > > > > > > such effects does Mars has something to do with > > > > > > character of person apart from it hot qualities > > > > of > > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji > > > > and > > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page ETry > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Kadji; My post was an expansion on the message that challenged the old dictum that we are also familiar with. I do not consider this to be the only factor when assessing the impact of the Nodes but did find the logic more digestible that Mars is like Rahu and Saturn like Ketu that Shripalji put forward. I agree that our 'ancestors' established this principle after a level of study which we can only dream of aspiring too; bit I also feel that such ambiguous theories do not remain static and they may evolve with time. Centuries ago, in an environment where the majority of the population was spiritually inclined and the popular culture was Vedic, Rahu's energy of drive/passion/desire would have been directed to mostly spiritual pursuits while Ketu's energy may have led one astray to black magic or to withdraw from spiritual activities which then were the 'norm'. Ketu in this age still withdraws one from the 'norm' but that 'norm' has changed to materialism which may explain Ketu's spiritual dimension. This is by no means a rigid proposition; just a simple suggestion as to why this rule may have been set out as it was. I can not say with certainly that Rahu does not lead to Moksh and Ketu to aggression,(many contributing factors/energies effect such significations) but I have observed in the charts of the great spiritualists (Sivananda, Swaminarayan ,Ramkrishana etc) and religiously inclined individuals - especially the Dasamsa - patterns that much my above statements. Regards Maniv , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> wrote: > > Dear Maniv, > > I do not advise to stick on to the principle 'Rahu like Saturn and > Kethu like Mars' but I do think that it was coined after > an extensive study of the planets, obviously by much more experienced > ancestors and I don't think that they would do it SIMPLY > LIKE THAT, without much study. Whether one gets success, involves > many factors and not only dictums, whatever may be the number > of charts one has looked at. Rather than comparing shadow planets to > other planets, I would humbly place them separately to > judge the chart. Otherwise, we are losing enormous amount of > information they reveal, by themselves and as occupants. > > > About nodes and Sat/Mar in your post, small doubt is - Are you sure > Rahu does not lead to Spiritualism/Moksha? > Are you sure Kethu does not make one attached or aggressive like > Mars? Or does that mean that you have not found > success using classical dictums?..just curious! > > yours > KAD > > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > wrote: > > > > I must agree with this point. I have struggled invariably when > > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars and Rahu like Saturn in > > my experiences with countless charts. > > > > We all know that: > > > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective and seperative; > > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and 'weird'; > > Mars makes one aggressive, active and dynamic; > > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and loaded with excessive > > desires; > > > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the signs that signify satwic > > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) in the charts of great > > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in materialistic signs > > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these configurations clearly > > indicate its disconnection with satwic inclinations which is more > in > > line with nature of Mars then that of Saturn. > > > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above in mind would be that > > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars like Rahu. Of course, > Mars > > does have similarities with Ketu (technical faculties, intensity); > > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); but they fail to form > > conclusive parallels when considering the key significations. > > > > Regards > > > > Maniv > > > > P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction to Mukund's post, (which > > was not aimed at you initially) has depreciated my respect for you > > greatly. Your response was clearly driven by an urge to demonstrate > > your superior knowledge, qualify the drawbacks of Islam by > > disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism and the ego created by > > your status as owner of this group. > > No one participating on this board is irrational enough to believe > > that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; general statements about > > religious groups/castes/races never have substance. However the > > indisputable fact remains that the majority of terrorist activity > is > > carried out by groups that come under the banner of Islam. Maybe > > it's politically incorrect to make such statements; but why should > > the truth not be objectively assessed? > > I realize that this is board for discussions on Jyotish and related > > spiritualism so I apologize for lengthening this thread. If you had > > warned Mukundji politely and then subsequently ignored his reaction > > to your allegations about his character then perhaps this line of > > debate could have been avoided altogether. > > > > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > > wrote: > > > > > > , Shripal <d_shripal> > > > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ Ketu gives us > > > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have analysed several > > > > charts ,you will also find,people who are having > > > > Jup+Sat are also spritually inclined.Have you ever > > > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual inclination,than Ketu > > > > like Mars holds false. > > > > > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget about myth too,know > > > > since ages astrology has changed a lot and be > > > > practical. > > > > > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I said was > > > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic part.If ketu is > > > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is Bad it act like > > > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I am saying is > > > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in diff > > > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even 7th aspect is > > > > not there.But they influence various houses in > > > > chart,because bottom line they are shadow planets.What > > > > is shadow.All materialistic things which exists in > > > > this world we always have a shadow.So planets squaring > > > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected with > > > > planets,there shadows are reflected on other > > > > house,That's how they get a good and bad results of > > > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > > > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] principle from > > > > > JAATAKA > > > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups both the nodes > > > > > similar to SATURN > > > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs Mrg.)]. > > > > > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert > > > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > I am eager to know which text supports the above > > > > > statement, as I have > > > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL examples(charts) > > > > > with the group > > > > > using THIS principle, it would be better understood. > > > > > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > as individual and every word retun is true in all > > > > > > respect.Something addition to that.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are > > > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a > > > > > Shadow > > > > > > planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist > > > > > as a > > > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are > > > > > free > > > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > > > > > divert > > > > > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > > > > > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > > > > > > influence over the affairs of the house in which > > > > > it > > > > > > falls, brings out the more positive potentials of > > > > > the > > > > > > sign in which it is placed, and favours the > > > > > functions > > > > > > and energies signified by any planets or points to > > > > > > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect > > > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and > > > > > gains). > > > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, > > > > > or > > > > > > brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions > > > > > or > > > > > > obligations in relation to the affairs of the > > > > > house it > > > > > > occupies; brings out the more negative potentials > > > > > of > > > > > > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours > > > > > planets > > > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the > > > > > Moon > > > > > > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > > > > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu > > > > > is > > > > > > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs > > > > > Conscious > > > > > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations > > > > > that > > > > > > stem from the past and to which there is an inner > > > > > > inclination to cling although they may no longer > > > > > be > > > > > > relevant or appropriate to the individual's > > > > > situation > > > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious > > > > > > motivations relevant to the present and future, > > > > > > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > > > > > > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties > > > > > inherited > > > > > > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while > > > > > the > > > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > > > self-development in > > > > > > the current incarnation in order to attain > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the successful > > > > > realisation of > > > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > > > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > > > and > > > > > > not only one of them exist.That too they are > > > > > opposite > > > > > > to each other all the time and retograting.I am > > > > > not > > > > > > talking in terms of there technical > > > > > existence.Reason > > > > > > is > > > > > > Ketu principles are not to be completely > > > > > overthrown > > > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious > > > > > balance > > > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the > > > > > reach > > > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. > > > > > Harmonious > > > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will > > > > > > indicate relatively easy progress along the > > > > > journey > > > > > > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and > > > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. > > > > > The > > > > > > individual will frequently, on encountering > > > > > obstacles, > > > > > > be consciously inclined to give up and return to > > > > > the > > > > > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve > > > > > rather > > > > > > than through absolute force or obligation. But as > > > > > > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate > > > > > rewards of > > > > > > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > > > > > > satisfying than would be attained by an easy > > > > > passage. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit > > > > > and > > > > > > progression, show the manner in which the > > > > > development > > > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > > > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; > > > > > while > > > > > > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. > > > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest > > > > > between > > > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the > > > > > sign > > > > > > and house placement of the squared planet.It > > > > > creates a > > > > > > tension for a individual in there growth. > > > > > Quincunxes > > > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the > > > > > means > > > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for > > > > > > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > > > > > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > > > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction > > > > > with > > > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu > > > > > which I > > > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > > > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in > > > > > their > > > > > > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > > > > > > opposed to Western astrological systems which > > > > > tends > > > > > > > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > > > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > > > > > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, > > > > > sufferings, > > > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency > > > > > to > > > > > > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with > > > > > one's > > > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of one past > > > > > lives. In > > > > > > > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > > > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north > > > > > nde > > > > > > > represents what we should be striving towards in > > > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > > > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that > > > > > we > > > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. > > > > > Proponents of > > > > > > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign > > > > > and > > > > > > > house placements of the nodes, one's karmic past > > > > > and > > > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > > > > > > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely > > > > > in > > > > > > > transit analysis of the here and now of one's > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > > > > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a > > > > > lot > > > > > > > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather > > > > > than > > > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > > > > > > astrological system strongly propounded this > > > > > view. > > > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining > > > > > how > > > > > > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > > > > > > American view, looked in at the transit > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > > > > > > indicate where and what nature one's > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > > > > > > > nodes may have something to do with one's karma > > > > > and > > > > > > > may involve relationships with others, they are > > > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu > > > > > and > > > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and > > > > > swallow > > > > > > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > > > > > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of > > > > > that > > > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun and moon, > > > > > the > > > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, > > > > > hence > > > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and > > > > > lunar > > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of > > > > > rahu , > > > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > > > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In > > > > > the > > > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > > > > > > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, > > > > > Since > > > > > > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > > > > > > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > > > > > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body > > > > > as > > > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > > > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . > > > > > Now > > > > > > > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > > > > > > > because of this rahu is closely associated with > > > > > > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > > > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > > > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain > > > > > over > > > > > > > sufferings in general, especially chronic > > > > > diseases > > > > > > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a > > > > > god, > > > > > > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > > > > > > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to > > > > > it's > > > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > > > > > > people do things they otherwise would not by > > > > > making > > > > > > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that > > > > > they > > > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth > > > > > is > > > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always temporary. In the > > > > > myth > > > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but > > > > > was > > > > > > > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, > > > > > when > > > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may give > > > > > material > > > > > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these > > > > > gifts > > > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual > > > > > axiom in > > > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu's > > > > > > > influence will eventually flitter away and be > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : > > > > > You > > > > > > > can't take it with you .The moment you think > > > > > that > > > > > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > > > > > > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you > > > > > hungry > > > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as > > > > > dragon's > > > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of > > > > > rahu. > > > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism > > > > > , > > > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. > > > > > In > > > > > > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu's > > > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is > > > > > after > > > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality > > > > > onto > > > > > > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > > > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a person's life, > > > > > that > > > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help > > > > > and > > > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, > > > > > it's > > > > > > > influence creates denial and sometimes > > > > > abandonment. > > > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > > > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > > > > > > typically report that their mother was > > > > > emotionally > > > > > > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu > > > > > is > > > > > > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > > > > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > > > > > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, mysterious > > > > > > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also > > > > > like > > > > > > > to mention certain more points on the nodes > > > > > which I > > > > > > > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the > > > > > article > > > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. > > > > > E.g > > > > > > > for this I would like to mention here is that I > > > > > was > > > > > > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and > > > > > after > > > > > > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he > > > > > was > > > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > > > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > > > > > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his > > > > > wife, he > > > > > > > felt still there is something lacking to make > > > > > him > > > > > > > more popular world wide, he had past broken > > > > > affair > > > > > > > and at this age too he was longing a > > > > > companionship > > > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > > > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or > > > > > broken > > > > > > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due > > > > > to > > > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point > > > > > of > > > > > > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > > > > > > discuss what would have made him save his > > > > > marriage) > > > > > > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > > > > > > > native questionable characters and sometimes > > > > > even to > > > > > > > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > > > > > > > before marriage and afterwards getting separated > > > > > and > > > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > > > > > > > such effects does Mars has something to do with > > > > > > > character of person apart from it hot qualities > > > > > of > > > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji > > > > > and > > > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page ETry > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Dear Maniv, Surely, 'norms' change with time, retaining their main idea, varying in applications. Otherwise dictum like 'if planets exalted A,B are in 4th or 11th one gets elephants, horses and chariots...' would prove astrology wrong! As norms change, elephants, horses and chariots are replaced with bull-dozers,trucks,buses and cars and these are accepted truths. Well, its good that you checked D-10 charts of Yogis, but if I could make a suggestion, Dashamsha or D-10 chart deals with 'Materialistic' persuit and the division dealing with Spiritual success is Vimshamsha(D-20). Hope you get some clues from that too, as to why ancestors compared nodes with Sat/Mar. yours humbly KAD , "maniv78" <maniv78> wrote: > > Kadji; > > My post was an expansion on the message that challenged the old > dictum that we are also familiar with. I do not consider this to be > the only factor when assessing the impact of the Nodes but did find > the logic more digestible that Mars is like Rahu and Saturn like > Ketu that Shripalji put forward. > > I agree that our 'ancestors' established this principle after a > level of study which we can only dream of aspiring too; bit I also > feel that such ambiguous theories do not remain static and they may > evolve with time. Centuries ago, in an environment where the > majority of the population was spiritually inclined and the popular > culture was Vedic, Rahu's energy of drive/passion/desire would have > been directed to mostly spiritual pursuits while Ketu's energy may > have led one astray to black magic or to withdraw from spiritual > activities which then were the 'norm'. Ketu in this age still > withdraws one from the 'norm' but that 'norm' has changed to > materialism which may explain Ketu's spiritual dimension. This is by > no means a rigid proposition; just a simple suggestion as to why > this rule may have been set out as it was. > > I can not say with certainly that Rahu does not lead to Moksh and > Ketu to aggression,(many contributing factors/energies effect such > significations) but I have observed in the charts of the great > spiritualists (Sivananda, Swaminarayan ,Ramkrishana etc) and > religiously inclined individuals - especially the Dasamsa - > patterns that much my above statements. > > Regards > > > Maniv > , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > wrote: > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > I do not advise to stick on to the principle 'Rahu like Saturn and > > Kethu like Mars' but I do think that it was coined after > > an extensive study of the planets, obviously by much more > experienced > > ancestors and I don't think that they would do it SIMPLY > > LIKE THAT, without much study. Whether one gets success, involves > > many factors and not only dictums, whatever may be the number > > of charts one has looked at. Rather than comparing shadow planets > to > > other planets, I would humbly place them separately to > > judge the chart. Otherwise, we are losing enormous amount of > > information they reveal, by themselves and as occupants. > > > > > > About nodes and Sat/Mar in your post, small doubt is - Are you > sure > > Rahu does not lead to Spiritualism/Moksha? > > Are you sure Kethu does not make one attached or aggressive like > > Mars? Or does that mean that you have not found > > success using classical dictums?..just curious! > > > > yours > > KAD > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > > wrote: > > > > > > I must agree with this point. I have struggled invariably when > > > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars and Rahu like Saturn > in > > > my experiences with countless charts. > > > > > > We all know that: > > > > > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective and seperative; > > > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and 'weird'; > > > Mars makes one aggressive, active and dynamic; > > > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and loaded with excessive > > > desires; > > > > > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the signs that signify > satwic > > > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) in the charts of > great > > > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in materialistic signs > > > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these configurations clearly > > > indicate its disconnection with satwic inclinations which is > more > > in > > > line with nature of Mars then that of Saturn. > > > > > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above in mind would be that > > > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars like Rahu. Of course, > > Mars > > > does have similarities with Ketu (technical faculties, > intensity); > > > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); but they fail to form > > > conclusive parallels when considering the key significations. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction to Mukund's post, > (which > > > was not aimed at you initially) has depreciated my respect for > you > > > greatly. Your response was clearly driven by an urge to > demonstrate > > > your superior knowledge, qualify the drawbacks of Islam by > > > disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism and the ego created by > > > your status as owner of this group. > > > No one participating on this board is irrational enough to > believe > > > that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; general statements about > > > religious groups/castes/races never have substance. However the > > > indisputable fact remains that the majority of terrorist > activity > > is > > > carried out by groups that come under the banner of Islam. Maybe > > > it's politically incorrect to make such statements; but why > should > > > the truth not be objectively assessed? > > > I realize that this is board for discussions on Jyotish and > related > > > spiritualism so I apologize for lengthening this thread. If you > had > > > warned Mukundji politely and then subsequently ignored his > reaction > > > to your allegations about his character then perhaps this line > of > > > debate could have been avoided altogether. > > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" > <maniv78> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > , Shripal > <d_shripal> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ Ketu gives us > > > > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have analysed several > > > > > charts ,you will also find,people who are having > > > > > Jup+Sat are also spritually inclined.Have you ever > > > > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual inclination,than Ketu > > > > > like Mars holds false. > > > > > > > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget about myth too,know > > > > > since ages astrology has changed a lot and be > > > > > practical. > > > > > > > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I said was > > > > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic part.If ketu is > > > > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is Bad it act like > > > > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I am saying is > > > > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in diff > > > > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > > > > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even 7th aspect is > > > > > not there.But they influence various houses in > > > > > chart,because bottom line they are shadow planets.What > > > > > is shadow.All materialistic things which exists in > > > > > this world we always have a shadow.So planets squaring > > > > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected with > > > > > planets,there shadows are reflected on other > > > > > house,That's how they get a good and bad results of > > > > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > > > > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] principle from > > > > > > JAATAKA > > > > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups both the nodes > > > > > > similar to SATURN > > > > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs Mrg.)]. > > > > > > > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert > > > > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am eager to know which text supports the above > > > > > > statement, as I have > > > > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL examples(charts) > > > > > > with the group > > > > > > using THIS principle, it would be better understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > as individual and every word retun is true in all > > > > > > > respect.Something addition to that.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are > > > > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a > > > > > > Shadow > > > > > > > planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are > > > > > > free > > > > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > > > > > > divert > > > > > > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > > > > > > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > > > > > > > influence over the affairs of the house in which > > > > > > it > > > > > > > falls, brings out the more positive potentials of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > sign in which it is placed, and favours the > > > > > > functions > > > > > > > and energies signified by any planets or points to > > > > > > > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect > > > > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and > > > > > > gains). > > > > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, > > > > > > or > > > > > > > brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions > > > > > > or > > > > > > > obligations in relation to the affairs of the > > > > > > house it > > > > > > > occupies; brings out the more negative potentials > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > is > > > > > > > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs > > > > > > Conscious > > > > > > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations > > > > > > that > > > > > > > stem from the past and to which there is an inner > > > > > > > inclination to cling although they may no longer > > > > > > be > > > > > > > relevant or appropriate to the individual's > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious > > > > > > > motivations relevant to the present and future, > > > > > > > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > > > > > > > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties > > > > > > inherited > > > > > > > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > > > > self-development in > > > > > > > the current incarnation in order to attain > > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the successful > > > > > > realisation of > > > > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > > > > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > > > > and > > > > > > > not only one of them exist.That too they are > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > to each other all the time and retograting.I am > > > > > > not > > > > > > > talking in terms of there technical > > > > > > existence.Reason > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > Ketu principles are not to be completely > > > > > > overthrown > > > > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious > > > > > > balance > > > > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the > > > > > > reach > > > > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. > > > > > > Harmonious > > > > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will > > > > > > > indicate relatively easy progress along the > > > > > > journey > > > > > > > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and > > > > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > individual will frequently, on encountering > > > > > > obstacles, > > > > > > > be consciously inclined to give up and return to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > than through absolute force or obligation. But as > > > > > > > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate > > > > > > rewards of > > > > > > > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > > > > > > > satisfying than would be attained by an easy > > > > > > passage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit > > > > > > and > > > > > > > progression, show the manner in which the > > > > > > development > > > > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > > > > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; > > > > > > while > > > > > > > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. > > > > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest > > > > > > between > > > > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > and house placement of the squared planet.It > > > > > > creates a > > > > > > > tension for a individual in there growth. > > > > > > Quincunxes > > > > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the > > > > > > means > > > > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for > > > > > > > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > > > > > > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > > > > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction > > > > > > with > > > > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > > > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > > > > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > > > > > > > opposed to Western astrological systems which > > > > > > tends > > > > > > > > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > > > > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > > > > > > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, > > > > > > sufferings, > > > > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of one past > > > > > > lives. In > > > > > > > > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > > > > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north > > > > > > nde > > > > > > > > represents what we should be striving towards in > > > > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > > > > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. > > > > > > Proponents of > > > > > > > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > house placements of the nodes, one's karmic past > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > > > > > > > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > > > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > transit analysis of the here and now of one's > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > > > > > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > > > > > > > astrological system strongly propounded this > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > > > > > > > American view, looked in at the transit > > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > > > > > > > indicate where and what nature one's > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > > > > > > > > nodes may have something to do with one's karma > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > may involve relationships with others, they are > > > > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and > > > > > > swallow > > > > > > > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > > > > > > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > > > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun and moon, > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and > > > > > > lunar > > > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of > > > > > > rahu , > > > > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > > > > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > > > > > > > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, > > > > > > Since > > > > > > > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > > > > > > > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > > > > > > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > > > > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > > > > > > > > because of this rahu is closely associated with > > > > > > > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > > > > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > > > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > > > > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > sufferings in general, especially chronic > > > > > > diseases > > > > > > > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > > > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > > > > > > > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > > > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > > > > > > > people do things they otherwise would not by > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always temporary. In the > > > > > > myth > > > > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may give > > > > > > material > > > > > > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these > > > > > > gifts > > > > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual > > > > > > axiom in > > > > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu's > > > > > > > > influence will eventually flitter away and be > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > can't take it with you .The moment you think > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > > > > > > > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you > > > > > > hungry > > > > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as > > > > > > dragon's > > > > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of > > > > > > rahu. > > > > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu's > > > > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality > > > > > > onto > > > > > > > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > > > > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a person's life, > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > influence creates denial and sometimes > > > > > > abandonment. > > > > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > > > > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > > > > > > > typically report that their mother was > > > > > > emotionally > > > > > > > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > > > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > > > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > > > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > > > > > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > > > > > > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, mysterious > > > > > > > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > to mention certain more points on the nodes > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the > > > > > > article > > > > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. > > > > > > E.g > > > > > > > > for this I would like to mention here is that I > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > > > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > > > > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > > > > > > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his > > > > > > wife, he > > > > > > > > felt still there is something lacking to make > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > more popular world wide, he had past broken > > > > > > affair > > > > > > > > and at this age too he was longing a > > > > > > companionship > > > > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > > > > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > > > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or > > > > > > broken > > > > > > > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > > > > > > > discuss what would have made him save his > > > > > > marriage) > > > > > > > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > > > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > > > > > > > > native questionable characters and sometimes > > > > > > even to > > > > > > > > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > > > > > > > > before marriage and afterwards getting separated > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > > > > > > > > such effects does Mars has something to do with > > > > > > > > character of person apart from it hot qualities > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page ETry > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Well, hope I could really try to make out your view, though slightly different from how it started with Jupiter's analogy of Rahu. Anyway, your analogy may find some material with KodanDa Rahu theory. Thanks for your time and opinions. regards KAD , Shripal <d_shripal> wrote: > Hi, > > Know from ages,when lots of things use to take at a > mental level or you can frame it as spiritual level > has been converted to more and more into materialistic > technologies.For example previous people use to > co-ordinate through mind(talking through mind) and > know we have internet and mobiles.People use to fly or > disappear,I don't know How much this holds truth,But > today we have aeroplanes and jets etc. > > as in Kaliyuga is called a Yuga of Rahu and Ketu so > powers of there has come into picture.That is a main > reason rather than becoming more just spiritual,people > are becoming materialistic and materialistic > spiritual.Which is not at all spiritual. > > Old Days guru just by meditating can find a distance > b/w earth and moon etc.what kind of planets are those. > Now even people are meditating to calm themselves and > make there materialistic life more easier,even that is > not working very well.So people have forgot a basics > of spiritualism. > > Ideal theme of Spiritualism is not to heal people or > help people,But too live this world of sorrow and live > behind your footsteps through which other people can > follow.I am not saying that you should not help other > etc.But aim should be that,so study a Gurus or Shastra > properly and understand there path of salvation and > create your own. > > Rahu and Ketu are trying too signify that theme each > and everyone daily,But as we say it's Maya,a > Unresolved Mystery in which only trueones will able to > understand and leave a WORLD OF SORROW. > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > Surely, 'norms' change with time, retaining their > > main idea, varying > > in applications. Otherwise dictum like > > 'if planets exalted A,B are in 4th or 11th one gets > > elephants, horses > > and chariots...' would prove astrology wrong! > > As norms change, elephants, horses and chariots are > > replaced with > > bull-dozers,trucks,buses and cars and these are > > accepted truths. Well, its good that you checked > > D-10 charts of > > Yogis, but if I could make a suggestion, Dashamsha > > or D-10 chart deals with 'Materialistic' persuit and > > the division > > dealing with Spiritual success is Vimshamsha(D-20). > > > > Hope you get some clues from that too, as to why > > ancestors compared > > nodes with Sat/Mar. > > > > yours humbly > > KAD > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" > > <maniv78> > > wrote: > > > > > > Kadji; > > > > > > My post was an expansion on the message that > > challenged the old > > > dictum that we are also familiar with. I do not > > consider this to be > > > the only factor when assessing the impact of the > > Nodes but did find > > > the logic more digestible that Mars is like Rahu > > and Saturn like > > > Ketu that Shripalji put forward. > > > > > > I agree that our 'ancestors' established this > > principle after a > > > level of study which we can only dream of aspiring > > too; bit I also > > > feel that such ambiguous theories do not remain > > static and they may > > > evolve with time. Centuries ago, in an environment > > where the > > > majority of the population was spiritually > > inclined and the popular > > > culture was Vedic, Rahu's energy of > > drive/passion/desire would have > > > been directed to mostly spiritual pursuits while > > Ketu's energy may > > > have led one astray to black magic or to withdraw > > from spiritual > > > activities which then were the 'norm'. Ketu in > > this age still > > > withdraws one from the 'norm' but that 'norm' has > > changed to > > > materialism which may explain Ketu's spiritual > > dimension. This is > > by > > > no means a rigid proposition; just a simple > > suggestion as to why > > > this rule may have been set out as it was. > > > > > > I can not say with certainly that Rahu does not > > lead to Moksh and > > > Ketu to aggression,(many contributing > > factors/energies effect such > > > significations) but I have observed in the charts > > of the great > > > spiritualists (Sivananda, Swaminarayan > > ,Ramkrishana etc) and > > > religiously inclined individuals - especially the > > Dasamsa - > > > patterns that much my above statements. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > , > > "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > I do not advise to stick on to the principle > > 'Rahu like Saturn > > and > > > > Kethu like Mars' but I do think that it was > > coined after > > > > an extensive study of the planets, obviously by > > much more > > > experienced > > > > ancestors and I don't think that they would do > > it SIMPLY > > > > LIKE THAT, without much study. Whether one gets > > success, involves > > > > many factors and not only dictums, whatever may > > be the number > > > > of charts one has looked at. Rather than > > comparing shadow planets > > > to > > > > other planets, I would humbly place them > > separately to > > > > judge the chart. Otherwise, we are losing > > enormous amount of > > > > information they reveal, by themselves and as > > occupants. > > > > > > > > > > > > About nodes and Sat/Mar in your post, small > > doubt is - Are you > > > sure > > > > Rahu does not lead to Spiritualism/Moksha? > > > > Are you sure Kethu does not make one attached or > > aggressive like > > > > Mars? Or does that mean that you have not found > > > > success using classical dictums?..just curious! > > > > > > > > yours > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "maniv78" <maniv78> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I must agree with this point. I have struggled > > invariably when > > > > > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars and > > Rahu like Saturn > > > in > > > > > my experiences with countless charts. > > > > > > > > > > We all know that: > > > > > > > > > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective and > > seperative; > > > > > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and > > 'weird'; > > > > > Mars makes one aggressive, active and dynamic; > > > > > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and > > loaded with excessive > > > > > desires; > > > > > > > > > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the signs > > that signify > > > satwic > > > > > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) in > > the charts of > > > great > > > > > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in > > materialistic signs > > > > > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these > > configurations clearly > > > > > indicate its disconnection with satwic > > inclinations which is > > > more > > > > in > > > > > line with nature of Mars then that of Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above in > > mind would be that > > > > > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars like > > Rahu. Of course, > > > > Mars > > > > > does have similarities with Ketu (technical > > faculties, > > > intensity); > > > > > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); but > > they fail to form > > > > > conclusive parallels when considering the key > > significations. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction to > > Mukund's post, > > > (which > > > > > was not aimed at you initially) has > > depreciated my respect for > > > you > > > > > greatly. Your response was clearly driven by > > an urge to > > > demonstrate > > > > > your superior knowledge, qualify the drawbacks > > of Islam by > > > > > disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism and > > the ego created > > by > > > > > your status as owner of this group. > > > > > No one participating on this board is > > irrational enough to > > > believe > > > > > that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; > > general statements > > about > > > > > religious groups/castes/races never have > > substance. However the > > > > > indisputable fact remains that the majority of > > terrorist > > > activity > > > > is > > > > > carried out by groups that come under the > > banner of Islam. > > Maybe > > > > > it's politically incorrect to make such > > statements; but why > > > should > > > > > the truth not be objectively assessed? > > > > > I realize that this is board for discussions > > on Jyotish and > > > related > > > > > spiritualism so I apologize for lengthening > > this thread. If you > > > had > > > > > warned Mukundji politely and then subsequently > > ignored his > > > reaction > > > > > to your allegations about his character then > > perhaps this line > > > of > > > > > debate could have been avoided altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "maniv78" > > > <maniv78> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > Shripal > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ > > Ketu gives us > > > > > > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have > > analysed several > > > > > > > charts ,you will also find,people who are > > having > > > > > > > Jup+Sat are also spritually inclined.Have > > you ever > > > > > > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual > > inclination,than Ketu > > > > > > > like Mars holds false. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget about > > myth too,know > > > > > > > since ages astrology has changed a lot > > and be > > > > > > > practical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I > > said was > > > > > > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic > > part.If ketu is > > > > > > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is Bad > > it act like > > > > > > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I > > am saying is > > > > > > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in > > diff > > > > > > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even 7th > > aspect is > > > > > > > not there.But they influence various > > houses in > > > > > > > chart,because bottom line they are shadow > > planets.What > > > > > > > is shadow.All materialistic things which > > exists in > > > > > > > this world we always have a shadow.So > > planets squaring > > > > > > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected > > with > > > > > > > planets,there shadows are reflected on > > other > > > > > > > house,That's how they get a good and bad > > results of > > > > > > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD > > RAHU - > > > > > > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > > > > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] > > principle from > > > > > > > > JAATAKA > > > > > > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups > > both the nodes > > > > > > > > similar to SATURN > > > > > > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs > > Mrg.)]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in > > order to divert > > > > > > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu > > takes benefic > > > > > > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am eager to know which text supports > > the above > > > > > > > > statement, as I have > > > > > > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > > > > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL > > examples(charts) > > > > > > > > with the group > > > > > > > > using THIS principle, it would be better > > understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > Shripal > > > > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all qualities > > of Rahu and > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > as individual and every word retun is > > true in all > > > > > > > > > respect.Something addition to that.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied > > soul,which are > > > > > > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are even > > known as a > > > > > > > > Shadow > > > > > > > > > planets.Shadow of each and everything > > which exist > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as > > they are > > > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature > > of > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > why is makes one suffer too much,in > > order to > > > > > > > > divert > > > > > > > > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu > > takes benefic > > > > > > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, > > cheerful, > > > > > > > > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic > > and popular > > > > > > > > > influence over the affairs of the > > house in which > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > falls, brings out the more positive > > potentials of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > sign in which it is placed, and > > favours the > > > > > > > > functions > > > > > > > > > and energies signified by any planets > > or points to > > > > > > > > > which it forms a conjunction or > > harmonious aspect > > > > > > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing > > benefit and > > > > > > > > gains). > > > > > > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful > > influence upon, > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > brings binding, delaying or impeding > > restrictions > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > obligations in relation to the affairs > > of the > > > > > > > > house it > > > > > > > > > occupies; brings out the more negative > > potentials > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the sign in which it is posited and > > disfavours > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect > > with it (the > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > particularly bringing losses and > > troubles). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's > > Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > relating to one's subconscious > > Attachment vs > > > > > > > > Conscious > > > > > > > > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious > > motivations > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > stem from the past and to which there > > is an inner > > > > > > > > > inclination to cling although they may > > no longer > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > relevant or appropriate to the > > individual's > > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu > > represents conscious > > > > > > > > > motivations relevant to the present > > and future, > > > > > > > > > characterised by a desire for the > > unfoldment of > > > > > > > > > appropriate changes in personal > > psychology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and > > faculties > > > > > > > > inherited > > > > > > > > > from former incarnations or 'past > > lives', while > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > > > > > > self-development in > > > > > > > > > the current incarnation in order to > > attain > > > > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the > > successful > > > > > > > > realisation of > > > > > > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals > > from this > > > > > > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are > > there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not only one of them exist.That too > > they are > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > to each other all the time and > > retograting.I am > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > talking in terms of there technical > > > > > > > > existence.Reason > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > Ketu principles are not to be > > completely > > > > > > > > overthrown > > > > > > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in > > harmonious > > > > > > > > balance > > > > > > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new > > growth the > > > > > > > > reach > > > > > > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated > > struggle. > > > > > > > > Harmonious > > > > > > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to > > the Rahu will > > > > > > > > > indicate relatively easy progress > > along the > > > > > > > > journey > > > > > > > > > towards this goal, while inharmonious > > aspects and > > > > > > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate > > difficulties. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > individual will frequently, on > > encountering > > > > > > > > obstacles, > > > > > > > > > be consciously inclined to give up and > > return to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness > > of resolve > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > than through absolute force or > > obligation. But as > > > > > > > > > always with stressful aspects, the > > ultimate > > > > > > > > rewards of > > > > > > > > > achievement can be greater and more > > spiritually > > > > > > > > > satisfying than would be attained by > > an easy > > > > > > > > passage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and > > by transit > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > progression, show the manner in which > > the > > > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be worked > > out. > > > > > > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced > > growth; > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > those to the Ketu encourage > > conditioned responses. > > > > > > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of > > interest > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual > > towards the > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > and house placement of the squared > > planet.It > > > > > > > > creates a > > > > > > > > > tension for a individual in there > > growth. > > > > > > > > Quincunxes > > > > > > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved > > notion of the > > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring > > opportunities for > > > > > > > > > constructive growth, while trines > > bring easy > > > > > > > > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article > > Nodes in > > > > > > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about our > > interaction > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit > > <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article > > of Rahu > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological > > system of > > > > > > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major > > points in natal > > > > > > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, > > especially in > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > transit movements through the birth > > chart. As > > > > > > > > > > opposed to Western astrological > > systems which > > > > > > > > tends > > > > > > > > > > to view nodes as favourable > > influences, Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic > > forces, > > > > > > > > > > responsible for chronic diseases, > > loss, > > > > > > > > sufferings, > > > > > > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other > > maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a > > strong tendency > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > view the lunar nodes as something to > > do with > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of > > one past > > > > > > > > lives. In > > > > > > > > > > this view, popularized by such > > authors as Martin > > > > > > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, > > the north > > > > > > > > nde > > > > > > > > > > represents what we should be > > striving towards in > > > > > > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic > > goal for us to > > > > > > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed as > > the past that > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold > > onto. > > > > > > > > Proponents of > > > > > > > > > > this view contend, that by looking > > at the sign > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > house placements of the nodes, one's > > karmic past > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. > > Curiously nodes are > > > > > > > > > > given rather strong importance in > > natal chart > > > > > > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom > > looked at closely > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > transit analysis of the here and now > > of one's > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological > > system of > > > > > > > > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted > > as having a > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > to do with interpersonal > > relationships, rather > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the > > Uranian > > > > > > > > > > astrological system strongly > > propounded this > > > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key in > > determining > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > social the person was and, as > > opposed to the > > > > > > > > > > American view, looked in at the > > transit > > > > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other > > planet would > > > > > > > > > > indicate where and what nature one's > > > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, > > however, while the > > > > > > > > > > nodes may have something to do with > > one's karma > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > may involve relationships with > > others, they are > > > > > > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic > > influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of > > origin of Rahu > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu > > occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to > > taste and > > > > > > > > swallow > > > > > > > > > > the amrita just before the > > dismemberment and > > > > > > > > > > therefore was unable to be killed. > > Because of > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists > > eternally in > > > > > > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun > > and moon, > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 > > planets, > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during > > solar and > > > > > > > > lunar > > > > > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or > > story of > > > > > > > > rahu , > > > > > > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it > > was able to > > > > > > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only > > temporarily. In > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu > > has rulership > > > > > > > > > > over con artists, liars, illusions > > and cheats, > > > > > > > > Since > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only the head and part of > > the body of an > > > > > > > > > > immortal demon it is always > > constantly hungy, > > > > > > > > > > whatever food eaten never reaches > > the whole body > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And > > because of this > > > > > > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable > > material desires . > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > matter how much it gets it always > > wants more and > > > > > > > > > > because of this rahu is closely > > associated with > > > > > > > > > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive > > behaviour > > > > > > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules > > poisons, drugs, > > > > > > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive > > gambling, sex > > > > > > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. > > Rahu also rules > > > > > > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational > > fears. Because > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it also > > has domain > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > sufferings in general, especially > > chronic > > > > > > > > diseases > > > > > > > > > > and events that are sudden and seem > > fated and > > > > > > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to > > impersonate a > > > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > > > > at a considerable risk to itself( a > > gamble which > > > > > > > > > > eventually was lost by demon body > > leading to > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated with > > reckless > > > > > > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. > > Rahu can make > > > > > > > > > > people do things they otherwise > > would not by > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > them throw caution to wind and > > thinking that > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from > > the vedic myth > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always > > temporary. In the > > > > > > > > myth > > > > > > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for > > a while, but > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > found at the end and suffered for > > it. Likewise, > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may > > give > > > > > > > > material > > > > > > > > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, > > but these > > > > > > > > gifts > > > > > > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a > > virtual > > > > > > > > axiom in > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with > > rahu's > > > > > > > > > > influence will eventually flitter > > away and be > > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches > > is this : > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > can't take it with you .The moment > > you think > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly the > > moment when > > > > > > > > > > rahu will take away that success, > > leaving you > > > > > > > > hungry > > > > > > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot > > have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu > > called as > > > > > > > > dragon's > > > > > > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact > > opposite of > > > > > > > > rahu. > > > > > > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and > > materialism > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and > > non-materiality. > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. > > But ketu's > > > > > > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy price > > tag. It is > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings > > spirituality > > > > > > > > onto > > > > > > > > > > people by making them suffer. It is > > almost as if > > > > > > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a > > person's life, > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to > > divine for help > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and > > non-material, > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > influence creates denial and > > sometimes > > > > > > > > abandonment. > > > > > > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu > > closely conjunct > > > > > > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the > > mother will > > > > > > > > > > typically report that their mother > > was > > > > > > > > emotionally > > > > > > > > > > or physically unavailable when the > > person was > > > > > > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, > > occult, > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also bring > > with it > > > > > > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of > > with ketu > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > that it rules diseases of unknown > > origin (like > > > > > > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, > > parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > > > > > > > disease that can get misdiagonised > > or mistreated > > > > > > > > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, > > mysterious > > > > > > > > > > quality. It can be most insidious > > influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I > > would also > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > to mention certain more points on > > the nodes > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > come across while studying different > > horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also > > mentioned in the > > > > > > > > article > > > > > > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are > > unsatisfied nodes. > > > > > > > > E.g > > > > > > > > > > for this I would like to mention > > here is that I > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > working as an astrologer with a very > > reputed > > > > > > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was > > filthy rich and > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > having all materialistic pleasures > > of life he > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is > > near about > > > > > > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain > > about having > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfied physical relationship > > with his > > > > > > > > wife, he > > > > > > > > > > felt still there is something > > lacking to make > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > more popular world wide, he had past > > broken > > > > > > > > affair > > > > > > > > > > and at this age too he was longing a > > > > > > > > companionship > > > > > > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen > > that his was > > > > > > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and > > ketu- guru in > > > > > > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him > > disturbed or > > > > > > > > broken > > > > > > > > > > marriage life he is still with wife > > may be due > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be > > saving point > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > his marital life (here I want group > > member to > > > > > > > > > > discuss what would have made him > > save his > > > > > > > > marriage) > > > > > > > > > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is > > Mars and > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in > > horoscopes > > > > > > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) have > > given those > > > > > > > > > > native questionable characters and > > sometimes > > > > > > > > even to > > > > > > > > > > the extent of satisfying their > > physical desires > > > > > > > > > > before marriage and afterwards > > getting separated > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary > > combinations gives > > > > > > > > > > such effects does Mars has something > > to do with > > > > > > > > > > character of person apart from it > > hot qualities > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful > > energy drives > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion > > from Rupji > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal > > page ETry > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > > > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Hi, What is Kodanda Rahu theory? And about Jupiter acting as Rahu is very much true and very practical.In fact as myth we know Rahu has been a deceptor,so it can take a form of any planets and give results,But more often it is found acting as Jupiter(if Benefic) and Saturn(if malefic).So keep is short and simple,Kiss theory. --- kadrudra <kadrudra wrote: > > Well, hope I could really try to make out your view, > though slightly > different from how it started with Jupiter's analogy > of Rahu. Anyway, your analogy may find some material > with KodanDa > Rahu theory. Thanks for your time and opinions. > > regards > KAD > > > , Shripal > <d_shripal> > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Know from ages,when lots of things use to take at > a > > mental level or you can frame it as spiritual > level > > has been converted to more and more into > materialistic > > technologies.For example previous people use to > > co-ordinate through mind(talking through mind) and > > know we have internet and mobiles.People use to > fly or > > disappear,I don't know How much this holds > truth,But > > today we have aeroplanes and jets etc. > > > > as in Kaliyuga is called a Yuga of Rahu and Ketu > so > > powers of there has come into picture.That is a > main > > reason rather than becoming more just > spiritual,people > > are becoming materialistic and materialistic > > spiritual.Which is not at all spiritual. > > > > Old Days guru just by meditating can find a > distance > > b/w earth and moon etc.what kind of planets are > those. > > Now even people are meditating to calm themselves > and > > make there materialistic life more easier,even > that is > > not working very well.So people have forgot a > basics > > of spiritualism. > > > > Ideal theme of Spiritualism is not to heal people > or > > help people,But too live this world of sorrow and > live > > behind your footsteps through which other people > can > > follow.I am not saying that you should not help > other > > etc.But aim should be that,so study a Gurus or > Shastra > > properly and understand there path of salvation > and > > create your own. > > > > Rahu and Ketu are trying too signify that theme > each > > and everyone daily,But as we say it's Maya,a > > Unresolved Mystery in which only trueones will > able to > > understand and leave a WORLD OF SORROW. > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > Surely, 'norms' change with time, retaining > their > > > main idea, varying > > > in applications. Otherwise dictum like > > > 'if planets exalted A,B are in 4th or 11th one > gets > > > elephants, horses > > > and chariots...' would prove astrology wrong! > > > As norms change, elephants, horses and chariots > are > > > replaced with > > > bull-dozers,trucks,buses and cars and these are > > > accepted truths. Well, its good that you checked > > > D-10 charts of > > > Yogis, but if I could make a suggestion, > Dashamsha > > > or D-10 chart deals with 'Materialistic' persuit > and > > > the division > > > dealing with Spiritual success is > Vimshamsha(D-20). > > > > > > Hope you get some clues from that too, as to why > > > ancestors compared > > > nodes with Sat/Mar. > > > > > > yours humbly > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > , > "maniv78" > > > <maniv78> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Kadji; > > > > > > > > My post was an expansion on the message that > > > challenged the old > > > > dictum that we are also familiar with. I do > not > > > consider this to be > > > > the only factor when assessing the impact of > the > > > Nodes but did find > > > > the logic more digestible that Mars is like > Rahu > > > and Saturn like > > > > Ketu that Shripalji put forward. > > > > > > > > I agree that our 'ancestors' established this > > > principle after a > > > > level of study which we can only dream of > aspiring > > > too; bit I also > > > > feel that such ambiguous theories do not > remain > > > static and they may > > > > evolve with time. Centuries ago, in an > environment > > > where the > > > > majority of the population was spiritually > > > inclined and the popular > > > > culture was Vedic, Rahu's energy of > > > drive/passion/desire would have > > > > been directed to mostly spiritual pursuits > while > > > Ketu's energy may > > > > have led one astray to black magic or to > withdraw > > > from spiritual > > > > activities which then were the 'norm'. Ketu in > > > this age still > > > > withdraws one from the 'norm' but that 'norm' > has > > > changed to > > > > materialism which may explain Ketu's spiritual > > > dimension. This is > > > by > > > > no means a rigid proposition; just a simple > > > suggestion as to why > > > > this rule may have been set out as it was. > > > > > > > > I can not say with certainly that Rahu does > not > > > lead to Moksh and > > > > Ketu to aggression,(many contributing > > > factors/energies effect such > > > > significations) but I have observed in the > charts > > > of the great > > > > spiritualists (Sivananda, Swaminarayan > > > ,Ramkrishana etc) and > > > > religiously inclined individuals - especially > the > > > Dasamsa - > > > > patterns that much my above statements. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > , > > > "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > > > I do not advise to stick on to the principle > > > 'Rahu like Saturn > > > and > > > > > Kethu like Mars' but I do think that it was > > > coined after > > > > > an extensive study of the planets, obviously > by > > > much more > > > > experienced > > > > > ancestors and I don't think that they would > do > > > it SIMPLY > > > > > LIKE THAT, without much study. Whether one > gets > > > success, involves > > > > > many factors and not only dictums, whatever > may > > > be the number > > > > > of charts one has looked at. Rather than > > > comparing shadow planets > > > > to > > > > > other planets, I would humbly place them > > > separately to > > > > > judge the chart. Otherwise, we are losing > > > enormous amount of > > > > > information they reveal, by themselves and > as > > > occupants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About nodes and Sat/Mar in your post, small > > > doubt is - Are you > > > > sure > > > > > Rahu does not lead to Spiritualism/Moksha? > > > > > Are you sure Kethu does not make one > attached or > > > aggressive like > > > > > Mars? Or does that mean that you have not > found > > > > > success using classical dictums?..just > curious! > > > > > > > > > > yours > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > "maniv78" <maniv78> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I must agree with this point. I have > struggled > > > invariably when > > > > > > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars > and > > > Rahu like Saturn > > > > in > > > > > > my experiences with countless charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that: > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective > and > > > seperative; > > > > > > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and > > > 'weird'; > > > > > > Mars makes one aggressive, active and > dynamic; > > > > > > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and > > > loaded with excessive > > > > > > desires; > > > > > > > > > > > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the > signs > > > that signify > > > > satwic > > > > > > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ > Sagittarius) in > > > the charts of > > > > great > > > > > > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement > in > > > materialistic signs > > > > > > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these > > > configurations clearly > > > > > > indicate its disconnection with satwic > > > inclinations which is > > > > more > > > > > in > > > > > > line with nature of Mars then that of > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above > in > > > mind would be that > > > > > > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars > like > > > Rahu. Of course, > > > > > Mars > > > > > > does have similarities with Ketu > (technical > > > faculties, > > > > intensity); > > > > > > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); > but > > > they fail to form > > > > > > conclusive parallels when considering the > key > > > significations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction > to > > > Mukund's post, > > > > (which > > > > > > was not aimed at you initially) has > > > depreciated my respect for > > > > you > > > > > > greatly. Your response was clearly driven > by > > > an urge to > > > > demonstrate > > > > > > your superior knowledge, qualify the > drawbacks > > > of Islam by > > > > > > disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism > and > > > the ego created > > > by > > > > > > your status as owner of this group. > > > > > > No one participating on this board is > > > irrational enough to > > > > believe > > > > > > that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; > > > general statements > > > about > > > > > > religious groups/castes/races never have > > > substance. However the > > > > > > indisputable fact remains that the > majority of > > > terrorist > > > > activity > > > > > is > > > > > > carried out by groups that come under the > > > banner of Islam. > > > Maybe > > > > > > it's politically incorrect to make such > > > statements; but why > > > > should > > > > > > the truth not be objectively assessed? > > > > > > I realize that this is board for > discussions > > > on Jyotish and > > > > related > > > > > > spiritualism so I apologize for > lengthening > > > this thread. If you > > > > had > > > > > > warned Mukundji politely and then > subsequently > > > ignored his > > > > reaction > > > > > > to your allegations about his character > then > > > perhaps this line > > > > of > > > > > > debate could have been avoided altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > "maniv78" > > > > <maniv78> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > Shripal > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing > Jup+ > > > Ketu gives us > > > > > > > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have > > > analysed several > > > > > > > > charts ,you will also find,people who > are > > > having > > > > > > > > Jup+Sat are also spritually > inclined.Have > > > you ever > > > > > > > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual > > > inclination,than Ketu > > > > > > > > like Mars holds false. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget > about > > > myth too,know > > > > > > > > since ages astrology has changed a lot > > > > and be > > > > > > > > practical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What > I > > > said was > > > > > > > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic > > > part.If ketu is > > > > > > > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is > Bad > > > it act like > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What > I > > > am saying is > > > > > > > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself > in > > > diff > > > > > > > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even > 7th > > > aspect is > > > > > > > > not there.But they influence various > > > houses in > > > > > > > > chart,because bottom line they are > shadow > > > planets.What > > > > > > > > is shadow.All materialistic things > which > > > exists in > > > > > > > > this world we always have a shadow.So > > > planets squaring > > > > > > > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected > > > with > > > > > > > > planets,there shadows are reflected on > > > other > > > > > > > > house,That's how they get a good and > bad > > > results of > > > > > > > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing > 'SHANIVAD > > > RAHU - > > > > > > > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > > > > > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] > > > principle from > > > > > > > > > JAATAKA > > > > > > > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups > > > both the nodes > > > > > > > > > similar to SATURN > > > > > > > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs > > > Mrg.)]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic > nature of > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in > > > order to divert > > > > > > > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu > > > takes benefic > > > > > > > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am eager to know which text > supports > > > the above > > > > > > > > > statement, as I have > > > > > > > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > > > > > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL > > > examples(charts) > > > > > > > > > with the group > > > > > > > > > using THIS principle, it would be > better > > > understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , > > > Shripal > > > > > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all > qualities > > > of Rahu and > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > as individual and every word retun > is > > > true in all > > > > > > > > > > respect.Something addition to > that.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied > > > soul,which are > > > > > > > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are > even > > > known as a > > > > > > > > > Shadow > > > > > > > > > > planets.Shadow of each and > everything > > > which exist > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a > shadow,as > > > they are > > > > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and > Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic > nature > > > of > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > > why is makes one suffer too > much,in > > > order to > > > > > > > > > divert > > > > > > > > > > him towards Spirituality.while > Rahu > > > takes benefic > > > > > > > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, > > > cheerful, > > > > > > > > > > affectionate, expansive, > optimistic > > > and popular > > > > > > > > > > influence over the affairs of the > > > house in which > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > falls, brings out the more > positive > > > potentials of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > sign in which it is placed, and > > > favours the > > > > > > > > > functions > > > > > > > > > > and energies signified by any > planets > > > or points to > > > > > > > > > > which it forms a conjunction or > > > harmonious aspect > > > > > > > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing > > > benefit and > > > > > > > > > gains). > > > > > > > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful > > > influence upon, > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > brings binding, delaying or > impeding > > > restrictions > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > obligations in relation to the > affairs > > > of the > > > > > > > > > house it > > > > > > > > > > occupies; brings out the more > negative > > > potentials > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the sign in which it is posited > and > > > disfavours > > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious > aspect > > > with it (the > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > particularly bringing losses and > > > troubles). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's > > > Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > relating to one's subconscious > > > Attachment vs > > > > > > > > > Conscious > > > > > > > > > > growth.Ketu represents > subconscious > > > motivations > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > stem from the past and to which > there > > > is an inner > > > > > > > > > > inclination to cling although they > may > > > no longer > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > relevant or appropriate to the > > > individual's > > > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu > > > represents conscious > > > > > > > > > > motivations relevant to the > present > > > and future, > > > > > > > > > > characterised by a desire for the > > > unfoldment of > > > > > > > > > > appropriate changes in personal > > > psychology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and > > > faculties > > > > > > > > > inherited > > > > > > > > > > from former incarnations or 'past > > > lives', while > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > > > > > > > self-development in > > > > > > > > > > the current incarnation in order > to > > > attain > > > > > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the > > > successful > > > > > > > > > realisation of > > > > > > > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary > goals > > > from this > > > > > > > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are > > > there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > not only one of them exist.That > too > > > they are > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > to each other all the time and > > > retograting.I am > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > talking in terms of there > technical > > > > > > > > > existence.Reason > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > Ketu principles are not to be > > > completely > > > > > > > > > overthrown > > > > > > > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in > > > harmonious > > > > > > > > > balance > > > > > > > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new > > > growth the > > > > > > > > > reach > > > > > > > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated > > > struggle. > > > > > > > > > Harmonious > > > > > > > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions > to > > > the Rahu will > > > > > > > > > > indicate relatively easy progress > > > along the > > > > > > > > > journey > > > > > > > > > > towards this goal, while > inharmonious > > > aspects and > > > > > > > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate > > > difficulties. > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > individual will frequently, on > > > encountering > > > > > > > > > obstacles, > > > > > > > > > > be consciously inclined to give up > and > > > return to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > safety of the Ketu, through > weakness > > > of resolve > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > than through absolute force or > > > obligation. But as > > > > > > > > > > always with stressful aspects, the > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > rewards of > > > > > > > > > > achievement can be greater and > more > > > spiritually > > > > > > > > > > satisfying than would be attained > by > > > an easy > > > > > > > > > passage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally > and > > > by transit > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > progression, show the manner in > which > > > the > > > > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be > worked > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce > forced > > > growth; > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > those to the Ketu encourage > > > conditioned responses. > > > > > > > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of > > > interest > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual > > > towards the > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > and house placement of the squared > > > planet.It > > > > > > > > > creates a > > > > > > > > > > tension for a individual in there > > > growth. > > > > > > > > > Quincunxes > > > > > > > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved > > > notion of the > > > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring > > > opportunities for > > > > > > > > > > constructive growth, while trines > > > bring easy > > > > > > > > > > growth.That you all must be > knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article > > > Nodes in > > > > > > > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about > our > > > interaction > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit > > > <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an > article > > > of Rahu > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient > astrological > > > system of > > > > > > > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major > > > points in natal > > > > > > > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, > > > especially in > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > transit movements through the > birth > > > chart. As > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to Western astrological > > > systems which > > > > > > > > > tends > > > > > > > > > > > to view nodes as favourable > > > influences, Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as > malefic > > > forces, > > > > > > > > > > > responsible for chronic > diseases, > > > loss, > > > > > > > > > sufferings, > > > > > > > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and > other > > > maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a > > > strong tendency > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > view the lunar nodes as > something to > > > do with > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's > of > > > one past > > > > > > > > > lives. In > > > > > > > > > > > this view, popularized by such > > > authors as Martin > > > > > > > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology > series, > > > the north > > > > > > > > > nde > > > > > > > > > > > represents what we should be > > > striving towards in > > > > > > > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic > > > goal for us to > > > > > > > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed > as > > > the past that > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold > > > onto. > > > > > > > > > Proponents of > > > > > > > > > > > this view contend, that by > looking > > > at the sign > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > house placements of the nodes, > one's > > > karmic past > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. > > > Curiously nodes are > > > > > > > > > > > given rather strong importance > in > > > natal chart > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom > > > looked at closely > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > transit analysis of the here and > now > > > of one's > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and > Cosmobiological > > > system of > > > > > > > > > > > Germany, the nodes are > interpreted > > > as having a > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > to do with interpersonal > > > relationships, rather > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of > the > > > Uranian > > > > > > > > > > > astrological system strongly > > > propounded this > > > > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key > in > > > determining > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > social the person was and, as > > > opposed to the > > > > > > > > > > > American view, looked in at the > > > transit > > > > > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other > > > planet would > > > > > > > > > > > indicate where and what nature > one's > > > > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, > > > however, while the > > > > > > > > > > > nodes may have something to do > with > > > one's karma > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > may involve relationships with > > > others, they are > > > > > > > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic > > > influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of > > > origin of Rahu > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu > > > occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed > to > > > taste and > > > > > > > > > swallow > > > > > > > > > > > the amrita just before the > > > dismemberment and > > > > > > > > > > > therefore was unable to be > killed. > > > Because of > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists > > > eternally in > > > > > > > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by > sun > > > and moon, > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those > 2 > > > planets, > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon > during > > > solar and > > > > > > > > > lunar > > > > > > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the > origin or > > > story of > > > > > > > > > rahu , > > > > > > > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar > as it > > > was able to > > > > > > > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only > > > temporarily. In > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, > rahu > > > has rulership > > > > > > > > > > > over con artists, liars, > illusions > > > and cheats, > > > > > > > > > Since > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only the head and part > of > > > the body of an > > > > > > > > > > > immortal demon it is always > > > constantly hungy, > > > > > > > > > > > whatever food eaten never > reaches > > > the whole body > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And > > > because of this > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable > > > material desires . > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > matter how much it gets it > always > > > wants more and > > > > > > > > > > > because of this rahu is closely > > > associated with > > > > > > > > > > > addictions and > obsessive/compulsive > > > behaviour > > > > > > > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules > > > poisons, drugs, > > > > > > > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive > > > gambling, sex > > > > > > > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. > > > Rahu also rules > > > > > > > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational > > > fears. Because > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it > also > > > has domain > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > sufferings in general, > especially > > > chronic > > > > > > > > > diseases > > > > > > > > > > > and events that are sudden and > seem > > > fated and > > > > > > > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to > > > impersonate a > > > > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > > > > > at a considerable risk to > itself( a > > > gamble which > > > > > > > > > > > eventually was lost by demon > body > > > leading to > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated > with > > > reckless > > > > > > > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. > > > Rahu can make > > > > > > > > > > > people do things they otherwise > > > would not by > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > them throw caution to wind and > > > thinking that > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned > from > > > the vedic myth > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always > > > temporary. In the > > > > > > > > > myth > > > > > > > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods > for > > > a while, but > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > found at the end and suffered > for > > > it. Likewise, > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu > may > > > give > > > > > > > > > material > > > > > > > > > > > success, drive, fame and > ambition, > > > but these > > > > > > > > > gifts > > > > > > > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It > is a > > > virtual > > > > > > > > > axiom in > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained > with > > > rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > influence will eventually > flitter > > > away and be > > > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu > teaches > > > is this : > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > can't take it with you .The > moment > > > you think > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > you have attained lasting > success > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly > the > > > moment when > > > > > > > > > > > rahu will take away that > success, > > > leaving you > > > > > > > > > hungry > > > > > > > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot > > > have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of > rahu > > > called as > > > > > > > > > dragon's > > > > > > > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is > exact > > > opposite of > > > > > > > > > rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality > and > > > materialism > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and > > > non-materiality. > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > this respect ketu acts like > Neptune. > > > But ketu's > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy > price > > > tag. It is > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu > brings > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > onto > > > > > > > > > > > people by making them suffer. It > is > > > almost as if > > > > > > > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a > > > person's life, > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to > > > divine for help > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and > > > non-material, > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > influence creates denial and > > > sometimes > > > > > > > > > abandonment. > > > > > > > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu > > > closely conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the > > > mother will > > > > > > > > > > > typically report that their > mother > > > was > > > > > > > > > emotionally > > > > > > > > > > > or physically unavailable when > the > > > person was > > > > > > > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very > mystic, > > > occult, > > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also > bring > > > with it > > > > > > > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and > abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be > aware of > > > with ketu > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > that it rules diseases of > unknown > > > origin (like > > > > > > > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, > > > parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > > > > > > > > disease that can get > misdiagonised > > > or mistreated > > > > > > > > > > > this is because of ketu's > hidden, > > > mysterious > > > > > > > > > > > quality. It can be most > insidious > > > influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given > above I > > > would also > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > to mention certain more points > on > > > the nodes > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > come across while studying > different > > > horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also > > > mentioned in the > > > > > > > > > article > > > > > > > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are > > > unsatisfied nodes. > > > > > > > > > E.g > > > > > > > > > > > for this I would like to mention > > > here is that I > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > working as an astrologer with a > very > > > reputed > > > > > > > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was > > > filthy rich and > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > having all materialistic > pleasures > > > of life he > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his > age is > > > near about > > > > > > > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain > > > about having > > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfied physical > relationship > > > with his > > > > > > > > > wife, he > > > > > > > > > > > felt still there is something > > > lacking to make > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > more popular world wide, he had > past > > > broken > > > > > > > > > affair > > > > > > > > > > > and at this age too he was > longing a > > > > > > > > > companionship > > > > > > > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was > seen > > > that his was > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and > > > ketu- guru in > > > > > > > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him > > > disturbed or > > > > > > > > > broken > > > > > > > > > > > marriage life he is still with > wife > > > may be due > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could > be > > > saving point > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > his marital life (here I want > group > > > member to > > > > > > > > > > > discuss what would have made him > > > save his > > > > > > > > > marriage) > > > > > > > > > > > but he has grudges against his > wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have > seen is > > > Mars and > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in > > > horoscopes > > > > > > > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) > have > > > given those > > > > > > > > > > > native questionable characters > and > > > sometimes > > > > > > > > > even to > > > > > > > > > > > the extent of satisfying their > > > physical desires > > > > > > > > > > > before marriage and afterwards > > > getting separated > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary > > > combinations gives > > > > > > > > > > > such effects does Mars has > something > > > to do with > > > > > > > > > > > character of person apart from > it > > > hot qualities > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful > > > energy drives > > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or > discussion > > > from Rupji > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one > personal > > > page ETry > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > > > > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 Well, theories may be simple, but life is not! Anyway, I just expressed some of my observations and if you feel they are complex or orthodox, please carry on with your conviction - I don't oppose any belief. My only curiousity was to know how your idea works - practically, so that others here too are benefitted by your short and simple explanation of an example chart as to how Rahu works benefically as Jupiter. Anyway, you are free to reject too! yours humbly, KAD , Shripal <d_shripal> wrote: > Hi, > > What is Kodanda Rahu theory? > > And about Jupiter acting as Rahu is very much true and > very practical.In fact as myth we know Rahu has been a > deceptor,so it can take a form of any planets and give > results,But more often it is found acting as > Jupiter(if Benefic) and Saturn(if malefic).So keep is > short and simple,Kiss theory. > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > Well, hope I could really try to make out your view, > > though slightly > > different from how it started with Jupiter's analogy > > of Rahu. Anyway, your analogy may find some material > > with KodanDa > > Rahu theory. Thanks for your time and opinions. > > > > regards > > KAD > > > > > > , Shripal > > <d_shripal> > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Know from ages,when lots of things use to take at > > a > > > mental level or you can frame it as spiritual > > level > > > has been converted to more and more into > > materialistic > > > technologies.For example previous people use to > > > co-ordinate through mind(talking through mind) and > > > know we have internet and mobiles.People use to > > fly or > > > disappear,I don't know How much this holds > > truth,But > > > today we have aeroplanes and jets etc. > > > > > > as in Kaliyuga is called a Yuga of Rahu and Ketu > > so > > > powers of there has come into picture.That is a > > main > > > reason rather than becoming more just > > spiritual,people > > > are becoming materialistic and materialistic > > > spiritual.Which is not at all spiritual. > > > > > > Old Days guru just by meditating can find a > > distance > > > b/w earth and moon etc.what kind of planets are > > those. > > > Now even people are meditating to calm themselves > > and > > > make there materialistic life more easier,even > > that is > > > not working very well.So people have forgot a > > basics > > > of spiritualism. > > > > > > Ideal theme of Spiritualism is not to heal people > > or > > > help people,But too live this world of sorrow and > > live > > > behind your footsteps through which other people > > can > > > follow.I am not saying that you should not help > > other > > > etc.But aim should be that,so study a Gurus or > > Shastra > > > properly and understand there path of salvation > > and > > > create your own. > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are trying too signify that theme > > each > > > and everyone daily,But as we say it's Maya,a > > > Unresolved Mystery in which only trueones will > > able to > > > understand and leave a WORLD OF SORROW. > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > Surely, 'norms' change with time, retaining > > their > > > > main idea, varying > > > > in applications. Otherwise dictum like > > > > 'if planets exalted A,B are in 4th or 11th one > > gets > > > > elephants, horses > > > > and chariots...' would prove astrology wrong! > > > > As norms change, elephants, horses and chariots > > are > > > > replaced with > > > > bull-dozers,trucks,buses and cars and these are > > > > accepted truths. Well, its good that you checked > > > > D-10 charts of > > > > Yogis, but if I could make a suggestion, > > Dashamsha > > > > or D-10 chart deals with 'Materialistic' persuit > > and > > > > the division > > > > dealing with Spiritual success is > > Vimshamsha(D-20). > > > > > > > > Hope you get some clues from that too, as to why > > > > ancestors compared > > > > nodes with Sat/Mar. > > > > > > > > yours humbly > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "maniv78" > > > > <maniv78> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kadji; > > > > > > > > > > My post was an expansion on the message that > > > > challenged the old > > > > > dictum that we are also familiar with. I do > > not > > > > consider this to be > > > > > the only factor when assessing the impact of > > the > > > > Nodes but did find > > > > > the logic more digestible that Mars is like > > Rahu > > > > and Saturn like > > > > > Ketu that Shripalji put forward. > > > > > > > > > > I agree that our 'ancestors' established this > > > > principle after a > > > > > level of study which we can only dream of > > aspiring > > > > too; bit I also > > > > > feel that such ambiguous theories do not > > remain > > > > static and they may > > > > > evolve with time. Centuries ago, in an > > environment > > > > where the > > > > > majority of the population was spiritually > > > > inclined and the popular > > > > > culture was Vedic, Rahu's energy of > > > > drive/passion/desire would have > > > > > been directed to mostly spiritual pursuits > > while > > > > Ketu's energy may > > > > > have led one astray to black magic or to > > withdraw > > > > from spiritual > > > > > activities which then were the 'norm'. Ketu in > > > > this age still > > > > > withdraws one from the 'norm' but that 'norm' > > has > > > > changed to > > > > > materialism which may explain Ketu's spiritual > > > > dimension. This is > > > > by > > > > > no means a rigid proposition; just a simple > > > > suggestion as to why > > > > > this rule may have been set out as it was. > > > > > > > > > > I can not say with certainly that Rahu does > > not > > > > lead to Moksh and > > > > > Ketu to aggression,(many contributing > > > > factors/energies effect such > > > > > significations) but I have observed in the > > charts > > > > of the great > > > > > spiritualists (Sivananda, Swaminarayan > > > > ,Ramkrishana etc) and > > > > > religiously inclined individuals - especially > > the > > > > Dasamsa - > > > > > patterns that much my above statements. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > , > > > > "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not advise to stick on to the principle > > > > 'Rahu like Saturn > > > > and > > > > > > Kethu like Mars' but I do think that it was > > > > coined after > > > > > > an extensive study of the planets, obviously > > by > > > > much more > > > > > experienced > > > > > > ancestors and I don't think that they would > > do > > > > it SIMPLY > > > > > > LIKE THAT, without much study. Whether one > > gets > > > > success, involves > > > > > > many factors and not only dictums, whatever > > may > > > > be the number > > > > > > of charts one has looked at. Rather than > > > > comparing shadow planets > > > > > to > > > > > > other planets, I would humbly place them > > > > separately to > > > > > > judge the chart. Otherwise, we are losing > > > > enormous amount of > > > > > > information they reveal, by themselves and > > as > > > > occupants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About nodes and Sat/Mar in your post, small > > > > doubt is - Are you > > > > > sure > > > > > > Rahu does not lead to Spiritualism/Moksha? > > > > > > Are you sure Kethu does not make one > > attached or > > > > aggressive like > > > > > > Mars? Or does that mean that you have not > > found > > > > > > success using classical dictums?..just > > curious! > > > > > > > > > > > > yours > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > "maniv78" <maniv78> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I must agree with this point. I have > > struggled > > > > invariably when > > > > > > > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars > > and > > > > Rahu like Saturn > > > > > in > > > > > > > my experiences with countless charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective > > and > > > > seperative; > > > > > > > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and > > > > 'weird'; > > > > > > > Mars makes one aggressive, active and > > dynamic; > > > > > > > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and > > > > loaded with excessive > > > > > > > desires; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the > > signs > > > > that signify > > > > > satwic > > > > > > > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ > > Sagittarius) in > > > > the charts of > > > > > great > > > > > > > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement > > in > > > > materialistic signs > > > > > > > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these > > > > configurations clearly > > > > > > > indicate its disconnection with satwic > > > > inclinations which is > > > > > more > > > > > > in > > > > > > > line with nature of Mars then that of > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above > > in > > > > mind would be that > > > > > > > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars > > like > > > > Rahu. Of course, > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > does have similarities with Ketu > > (technical > > > > faculties, > > > > > intensity); > > > > > > > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); > > but > > > > they fail to form > > > > > > > conclusive parallels when considering the > > key > > > > significations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction > > to > > > > Mukund's post, > > > > > (which > > > > > > > was not aimed at you initially) has > > > > depreciated my respect for > > > > > you > > > > > > > greatly. Your response was clearly driven > > by > > > > an urge to > > > > > demonstrate > > > > > > > your superior knowledge, qualify the > > drawbacks > > > > of Islam by > > > > > > > disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism > > and > > > > the ego created > > > > by > > > > > > > your status as owner of this group. > > > > > > > No one participating on this board is > > > > irrational enough to > > > > > believe > > > > > > > that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; > > > > general statements > > > > about > > > > > > > religious groups/castes/races never have > > > > substance. However the > > > > > > > indisputable fact remains that the > > majority of > > > > terrorist > > > > > activity > > > > > > is > > > > > > > carried out by groups that come under the > > > > banner of Islam. > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > it's politically incorrect to make such > > > > statements; but why > > > > > should > > > > > > > the truth not be objectively assessed? > > > > > > > I realize that this is board for > > discussions > > > > on Jyotish and > > > > > related > > > > > > > spiritualism so I apologize for > > lengthening > > > > this thread. If you > > > > > had > > > > > > > warned Mukundji politely and then > > subsequently > > > > ignored his > > > > > reaction > > > > > > > to your allegations about his character > > then > > > > perhaps this line > > > > > of > > > > > > > debate could have been avoided altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > "maniv78" > > > > > <maniv78> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > Shripal > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing > > Jup+ > > > > Ketu gives us > > > > > > > > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have > > > > analysed several > > > > > > > > > charts ,you will also find,people who > > are > > > > having > > > > > > > > > Jup+Sat are also spritually > > inclined.Have > > > > you ever > > > > > > > > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual > > > > inclination,than Ketu > > > > > > > > > like Mars holds false. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget > > about > > > > myth too,know > > > > > > > > > since ages astrology has changed a lot > > > > > > and be > > > > > > > > > practical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What > > I > > > > said was > > > > > > > > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic > > > > part.If ketu is > > > > > > > > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is > > Bad > > > > it act like > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What > > I > > > > am saying is > > > > > > > > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself > > in > > > > diff > > > > > > > > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even > > 7th > > > > aspect is > > > > > > > > > not there.But they influence various > > > > houses in > > > > > > > > > chart,because bottom line they are > > shadow > > > > planets.What > > > > > > > > > is shadow.All materialistic things > > which > > > > exists in > > > > > > > > > this world we always have a shadow.So > > > > planets squaring > > > > > > > > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected > > > > with > > > > > > > > > planets,there shadows are reflected on > > > > other > > > > > > > > > house,That's how they get a good and > > bad > > > > results of > > > > > > > > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing > > 'SHANIVAD > > > > RAHU - > > > > > > > > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > > > > > > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] > > > > principle from > > > > > > > > > > JAATAKA > > > > > > > > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups > > > > both the nodes > > > > > > > > > > similar to SATURN > > > > > > > > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs > > > > Mrg.)]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic > > nature of > > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in > > > > order to divert > > > > > > > > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu > > > > takes benefic > > > > > > > > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am eager to know which text > > supports > > > > the above > > > > > > > > > > statement, as I have > > > > > > > > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > > > > > > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL > > > > examples(charts) > > > > > > > > > > with the group > > > > > > > > > > using THIS principle, it would be > > better > > > > understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > > > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , > > > > Shripal > > > > > > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all > > qualities > > > > of Rahu and > > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > as individual and every word retun > > is > > > > true in all > > > > > > > > > > > respect.Something addition to > > that.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied > > > > soul,which are > > > > > > > > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are > > even > > > > known as a > > > > > > > > > > Shadow > > > > > > > > > > > planets.Shadow of each and > > everything > > > > which exist > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a > > shadow,as > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and > > Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic > > nature > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > > > why is makes one suffer too > > much,in > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > divert > > > > > > > > > > > him towards Spirituality.while > > Rahu > > > > takes benefic > > > > > > > > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, > > > > cheerful, > > > > > > > > > > > affectionate, expansive, > > optimistic > > > > and popular > > > > > > > > > > > influence over the affairs of the > > > > house in which > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > falls, brings out the more > > positive > > > > potentials of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > sign in which it is placed, and > > > > favours the > > > > > > > > > > functions > > > > > > > > > > > and energies signified by any > > planets > > > > or points to > > > > > > > > > > > which it forms a conjunction or > > > > harmonious aspect > > > > > > > > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing > > > > benefit and > > > > > > > > > > gains). > > > > > > > > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful > > > > influence upon, > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > brings binding, delaying or > > impeding > > > > restrictions > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > obligations in relation to the > > affairs > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > house it > > > > > > > > > > > occupies; brings out the more > > negative > > > > potentials > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the sign in which it is posited > > and > > > > disfavours > > > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious > > aspect > > > > with it (the > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > particularly bringing losses and > > > > troubles). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's > > > > Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > relating to one's subconscious > > > > Attachment vs > > > > > > > > > > Conscious > > > > > > > > > > > growth.Ketu represents > > subconscious > > > > motivations > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > stem from the past and to which > > there > > > > is an inner > > > > > > > > > > > inclination to cling although they > > may > > > > no longer > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > relevant or appropriate to the > > > > individual's > > > > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu > > > > represents conscious > > > > > > > > > > > motivations relevant to the > > present > > > > and future, > > > > > > > > > > > characterised by a desire for the > > > > unfoldment of > > > > > > > > > > > appropriate changes in personal > > > > psychology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and > > > > faculties > > > > > > > > > > inherited > > > > > > > > > > > from former incarnations or 'past > > > > lives', while > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > > > > > > > > self-development in > > > > > > > > > > > the current incarnation in order > > to > > > > attain > > > > > > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the > > > > successful > > > > > > > > > > realisation of > > > > > > > > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary > > goals > > > > from this > > > > > > > > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are > > > > there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > not only one of them exist.That > > too > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > to each other all the time and > > > > retograting.I am > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > talking in terms of there > > technical > > > > > > > > > > existence.Reason > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu principles are not to be > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > > overthrown > > > > > > > > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in > > > > harmonious > > > > > > > > > > balance > > > > > > > > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new > > > > growth the > > > > > > > > > > reach > > > > > > > > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated > > > > struggle. > > > > > > > > > > Harmonious > > > > > > > > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions > > to > > > > the Rahu will > > > > > > > > > > > indicate relatively easy progress > > > > along the > > > > > > > > > > journey > > > > > > > > > > > towards this goal, while > > inharmonious > > > > aspects and > > > > > > > > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate > > > > difficulties. > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > individual will frequently, on > > > > encountering > > > > > > > > > > obstacles, > > > > > > > > > > > be consciously inclined to give up > > and > > > > return to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > safety of the Ketu, through > > weakness > > > > of resolve > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > than through absolute force or > > > > obligation. But as > > > > > > > > > > > always with stressful aspects, the > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > > rewards of > > > > > > > > > > > achievement can be greater and > > more > > > > spiritually > > > > > > > > > > > satisfying than would be attained > > by > > > > an easy > > > > > > > > > > passage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally > > and > > > > by transit > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > progression, show the manner in > > which > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be > > worked > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce > > forced > > > > growth; > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > those to the Ketu encourage > > > > conditioned responses. > > > > > > > > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of > > > > interest > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual > > > > towards the > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > and house placement of the squared > > > > planet.It > > > > > > > > > > creates a > > > > > > > > > > > tension for a individual in there > > > > growth. > > > > > > > > > > Quincunxes > > > > > > > > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved > > > > notion of the > > > > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring > > > > opportunities for > > > > > > > > > > > constructive growth, while trines > > > > bring easy > > > > > > > > > > > growth.That you all must be > > knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article > > > > Nodes in > > > > > > > > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about > > our > > > > interaction > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit > > > > <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an > > article > > > > of Rahu > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient > > astrological > > > > system of > > > > > > > > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major > > > > points in natal > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, > > > > especially in > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > transit movements through the > > birth > > > > chart. As > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to Western astrological > > > > systems which > > > > > > > > > > tends > > > > > > > > > > > > to view nodes as favourable > > > > influences, Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as > > malefic > > > > forces, > > > > > > > > > > > > responsible for chronic > > diseases, > > > > loss, > > > > > > > > > > sufferings, > > > > > > > > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and > > other > > > > maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a > > > > strong tendency > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > view the lunar nodes as > > something to > > > > do with > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's > > of > > > > one past > > > > > > > > > > lives. In > > > > > > > > > > > > this view, popularized by such > > > > authors as Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology > > series, > > > > the north > > > > > > > > > > nde > > > > > > > > > > > > represents what we should be > > > > striving towards in > > > > > > > > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic > > > > goal for us to > > > > > > > > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed > > as > > > > the past that > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold > > > > onto. > > > > > > > > > > Proponents of > > > > > > > > > > > > this view contend, that by > > looking > > > > at the sign > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > house placements of the nodes, > > one's > > > > karmic past > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. > > > > Curiously nodes are > > > > > > > > > > > > given rather strong importance > > in > > > > natal chart > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom > > > > looked at closely > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > transit analysis of the here and > > now > > > > of one's > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and > > Cosmobiological > > > > system of > > > > > > > > > > > > Germany, the nodes are > > interpreted > > > > as having a > > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > > to do with interpersonal > > > > relationships, rather > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of > > the > > > > Uranian > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological system strongly > > > > propounded this > > > > > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key > > in > > > > determining > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > social the person was and, as > > > > opposed to the > > > > > > > > > > > > American view, looked in at the > > > > transit > > > > > > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other > > > > planet would > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate where and what nature > > one's > > > > > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, > > > > however, while the > > > > > > > > > > > > nodes may have something to do > > with > > > > one's karma > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > may involve relationships with > > > > others, they are > > > > > > > > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic > > > > influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of > > > > origin of Rahu > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu > > > > occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed > > to > > > > taste and > > > > > > > > > > swallow > > > > > > > > > > > > the amrita just before the > > > > dismemberment and > > > > > > > > > > > > therefore was unable to be > > killed. > > > > Because of > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists > > > > eternally in > > > > > > > > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by > > sun > > > > and moon, > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those > > 2 > > > > planets, > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon > > during > > > > solar and > > > > > > > > > > lunar > > > > > > > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the > > origin or > > > > story of > > > > > > > > > > rahu , > > > > > > > > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar > > as it > > > > was able to > > > > > > > > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only > > > > temporarily. In > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, > > rahu > > > > has rulership > > > > > > > > > > > > over con artists, liars, > > illusions > > > > and cheats, > > > > > > > > > > Since > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only the head and part > > of > > > > the body of an > > > > > > > > > > > > immortal demon it is always > > > > constantly hungy, > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever food eaten never > > reaches > > > > the whole body > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And > > > > because of this > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable > > > > material desires . > > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > > matter how much it gets it > > always > > > > wants more and > > > > > > > > > > > > because of this rahu is closely > > > > associated with > > > > > > > > > > > > addictions and > > obsessive/compulsive > > > > behaviour > > > > > > > > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules > > > > poisons, drugs, > > > > > > > > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive > > > > gambling, sex > > > > > > > > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. > > > > Rahu also rules > > > > > > > > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational > > > > fears. Because > > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it > > also > > > > has domain > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > sufferings in general, > > especially > > > > chronic > > > > > > > > > > diseases > > > > > > > > > > > > and events that are sudden and > > seem > > > > fated and > > > > > > > > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to > > > > impersonate a > > > > > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > > > > > > at a considerable risk to > > itself( a > > > > gamble which > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually was lost by demon > > body > > > > leading to > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated > > with > > > > reckless > > > > > > > > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. > > > > Rahu can make > > > > > > > > > > > > people do things they otherwise > > > > would not by > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > them throw caution to wind and > > > > thinking that > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned > > from > > > > the vedic myth > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always > > > > temporary. In the > > > > > > > > > > myth > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods > > for > > > > a while, but > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > found at the end and suffered > > for > > > > it. Likewise, > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu > > may > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > material > > > > > > > > > > > > success, drive, fame and > > ambition, > > > > but these > > > > > > > > > > gifts > > > > > > > > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It > > is a > > > > virtual > > > > > > > > > > axiom in > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained > > with > > > > rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > influence will eventually > > flitter > > > > away and be > > > > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu > > teaches > > > > is this : > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > can't take it with you .The > > moment > > > > you think > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > you have attained lasting > > success > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly > > the > > > > moment when > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu will take away that > > success, > > > > leaving you > > > > > > > > > > hungry > > > > > > > > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot > > > > have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of > > rahu > > > > called as > > > > > > > > > > dragon's > > > > > > > > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is > > exact > > > > opposite of > > > > > > > > > > rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality > > and > > > > materialism > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and > > > > non-materiality. > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > this respect ketu acts like > > Neptune. > > > > But ketu's > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy > > price > > > > tag. It is > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu > > brings > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > onto > > > > > > > > > > > > people by making them suffer. It > > is > > > > almost as if > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a > > > > person's life, > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to > > > > divine for help > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and > > > > non-material, > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > influence creates denial and > > > > sometimes > > > > > > > > > > abandonment. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu > > > > closely conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the > > > > mother will > > > > > > > > > > > > typically report that their > > mother > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > emotionally > > > > > > > > > > > > or physically unavailable when > > the > > > > person was > > > > > > > > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very > > mystic, > > > > occult, > > > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also > > bring > > > > with it > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and > > abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be > > aware of > > > > with ketu > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > that it rules diseases of > > unknown > > > > origin (like > > > > > > > > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, > > > > parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > > > > > > > > > disease that can get > > misdiagonised > > > > or mistreated > > > > > > > > > > > > this is because of ketu's > > hidden, > > > > mysterious > > > > > > > > > > > > quality. It can be most > > insidious > > > > influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given > > above I > > > > would also > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > to mention certain more points > > on > > > > the nodes > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > come across while studying > > different > > > > horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also > > > > mentioned in the > > > > > > > > > > article > > > > > > > > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are > > > > unsatisfied nodes. > > > > > > > > > > E.g > > > > > > > > > > > > for this I would like to mention > > > > here is that I > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > working as an astrologer with a > > very > > > > reputed > > > > > > > > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was > > > > filthy rich and > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > having all materialistic > > pleasures > > > > of life he > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his > > age is > > > > near about > > > > > > > > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain > > > > about having > > > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfied physical > > relationship > > > > with his > > > > > > > > > > wife, he > > > > > > > > > > > > felt still there is something > > > > lacking to make > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > more popular world wide, he had > > past > > > > broken > > > > > > > > > > affair > > > > > > > > > > > > and at this age too he was > > longing a > > > > > > > > > > companionship > > > > > > > > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was > > seen > > > > that his was > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and > > > > ketu- guru in > > > > > > > > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him > > > > disturbed or > > > > > > > > > > broken > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage life he is still with > > wife > > > > may be due > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could > > be > > > > saving point > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > his marital life (here I want > > group > > > > member to > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss what would have made him > > > > save his > > > > > > > > > > marriage) > > > > > > > > > > > > but he has grudges against his > > wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have > > seen is > > > > Mars and > > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in > > > > horoscopes > > > > > > > > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) > > have > > > > given those > > > > > > > > > > > > native questionable characters > > and > > > > sometimes > > > > > > > > > > even to > > > > > > > > > > > > the extent of satisfying their > > > > physical desires > > > > > > > > > > > > before marriage and afterwards > > > > getting separated > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary > > > > combinations gives > > > > > > > > > > > > such effects does Mars has > > something > > > > to do with > > > > > > > > > > > > character of person apart from > > it > > > > hot qualities > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful > > > > energy drives > > > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or > > discussion > > > > from Rupji > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one > > personal > > > > page ETry > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > > > > > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 II Om Namo Narayanaya II Hello Dear Kad , Namaskar, Comment - How Rahu works benefically as Jup. Rahu and Ketu are two chaaya graha as you know.They do not have existence like other planets but they r considered as a planet in vedic astrology Rahu is the head of Sarpa and Ketu is tail of that.Though they are malefic planets but they help in the formation of Rajyoga when either of them conjunct with quadrant or kona lord being themself in quadrant or kona. Secondly When Rahu occupes a sign ,he behaves like the lord of that sign.So if Rahu occupies either the sign of Sag. or Pisces he may work benefically as Jupiter. Ramesh Mishra kadrudra <kadrudra wrote: Well, theories may be simple, but life is not! Anyway, I just expressed some of my observations and if you feel they are complex or orthodox, please carry on with your conviction - I don't oppose any belief. My only curiousity was to know how your idea works - practically, so that others here too are benefitted by your short and simple explanation of an example chart as to how Rahu works benefically as Jupiter. Anyway, you are free to reject too! yours humbly, KAD , Shripal <d_shripal> wrote: > Hi, > > What is Kodanda Rahu theory? > > And about Jupiter acting as Rahu is very much true and > very practical.In fact as myth we know Rahu has been a > deceptor,so it can take a form of any planets and give > results,But more often it is found acting as > Jupiter(if Benefic) and Saturn(if malefic).So keep is > short and simple,Kiss theory. > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > Well, hope I could really try to make out your view, > > though slightly > > different from how it started with Jupiter's analogy > > of Rahu. Anyway, your analogy may find some material > > with KodanDa > > Rahu theory. Thanks for your time and opinions. > > > > regards > > KAD > > > > > > , Shripal > > <d_shripal> > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Know from ages,when lots of things use to take at > > a > > > mental level or you can frame it as spiritual > > level > > > has been converted to more and more into > > materialistic > > > technologies.For example previous people use to > > > co-ordinate through mind(talking through mind) and > > > know we have internet and mobiles.People use to > > fly or > > > disappear,I don't know How much this holds > > truth,But > > > today we have aeroplanes and jets etc. > > > > > > as in Kaliyuga is called a Yuga of Rahu and Ketu > > so > > > powers of there has come into picture.That is a > > main > > > reason rather than becoming more just > > spiritual,people > > > are becoming materialistic and materialistic > > > spiritual.Which is not at all spiritual. > > > > > > Old Days guru just by meditating can find a > > distance > > > b/w earth and moon etc.what kind of planets are > > those. > > > Now even people are meditating to calm themselves > > and > > > make there materialistic life more easier,even > > that is > > > not working very well.So people have forgot a > > basics > > > of spiritualism. > > > > > > Ideal theme of Spiritualism is not to heal people > > or > > > help people,But too live this world of sorrow and > > live > > > behind your footsteps through which other people > > can > > > follow.I am not saying that you should not help > > other > > > etc.But aim should be that,so study a Gurus or > > Shastra > > > properly and understand there path of salvation > > and > > > create your own. > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are trying too signify that theme > > each > > > and everyone daily,But as we say it's Maya,a > > > Unresolved Mystery in which only trueones will > > able to > > > understand and leave a WORLD OF SORROW. > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > Surely, 'norms' change with time, retaining > > their > > > > main idea, varying > > > > in applications. Otherwise dictum like > > > > 'if planets exalted A,B are in 4th or 11th one > > gets > > > > elephants, horses > > > > and chariots...' would prove astrology wrong! > > > > As norms change, elephants, horses and chariots > > are > > > > replaced with > > > > bull-dozers,trucks,buses and cars and these are > > > > accepted truths. Well, its good that you checked > > > > D-10 charts of > > > > Yogis, but if I could make a suggestion, > > Dashamsha > > > > or D-10 chart deals with 'Materialistic' persuit > > and > > > > the division > > > > dealing with Spiritual success is > > Vimshamsha(D-20). > > > > > > > > Hope you get some clues from that too, as to why > > > > ancestors compared > > > > nodes with Sat/Mar. > > > > > > > > yours humbly > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "maniv78" > > > > <maniv78> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kadji; > > > > > > > > > > My post was an expansion on the message that > > > > challenged the old > > > > > dictum that we are also familiar with. I do > > not > > > > consider this to be > > > > > the only factor when assessing the impact of > > the > > > > Nodes but did find > > > > > the logic more digestible that Mars is like > > Rahu > > > > and Saturn like > > > > > Ketu that Shripalji put forward. > > > > > > > > > > I agree that our 'ancestors' established this > > > > principle after a > > > > > level of study which we can only dream of > > aspiring > > > > too; bit I also > > > > > feel that such ambiguous theories do not > > remain > > > > static and they may > > > > > evolve with time. Centuries ago, in an > > environment > > > > where the > > > > > majority of the population was spiritually > > > > inclined and the popular > > > > > culture was Vedic, Rahu's energy of > > > > drive/passion/desire would have > > > > > been directed to mostly spiritual pursuits > > while > > > > Ketu's energy may > > > > > have led one astray to black magic or to > > withdraw > > > > from spiritual > > > > > activities which then were the 'norm'. Ketu in > > > > this age still > > > > > withdraws one from the 'norm' but that 'norm' > > has > > > > changed to > > > > > materialism which may explain Ketu's spiritual > > > > dimension. This is > > > > by > > > > > no means a rigid proposition; just a simple > > > > suggestion as to why > > > > > this rule may have been set out as it was. > > > > > > > > > > I can not say with certainly that Rahu does > > not > > > > lead to Moksh and > > > > > Ketu to aggression,(many contributing > > > > factors/energies effect such > > > > > significations) but I have observed in the > > charts > > > > of the great > > > > > spiritualists (Sivananda, Swaminarayan > > > > ,Ramkrishana etc) and > > > > > religiously inclined individuals - especially > > the > > > > Dasamsa - > > > > > patterns that much my above statements. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > , > > > > "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not advise to stick on to the principle > > > > 'Rahu like Saturn > > > > and > > > > > > Kethu like Mars' but I do think that it was > > > > coined after > > > > > > an extensive study of the planets, obviously > > by > > > > much more > > > > > experienced > > > > > > ancestors and I don't think that they would > > do > > > > it SIMPLY > > > > > > LIKE THAT, without much study. Whether one > > gets > > > > success, involves > > > > > > many factors and not only dictums, whatever > > may > > > > be the number > > > > > > of charts one has looked at. Rather than > > > > comparing shadow planets > > > > > to > > > > > > other planets, I would humbly place them > > > > separately to > > > > > > judge the chart. Otherwise, we are losing > > > > enormous amount of > > > > > > information they reveal, by themselves and > > as > > > > occupants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About nodes and Sat/Mar in your post, small > > > > doubt is - Are you > > > > > sure > > > > > > Rahu does not lead to Spiritualism/Moksha? > > > > > > Are you sure Kethu does not make one > > attached or > > > > aggressive like > > > > > > Mars? Or does that mean that you have not > > found > > > > > > success using classical dictums?..just > > curious! > > > > > > > > > > > > yours > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > "maniv78" <maniv78> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I must agree with this point. I have > > struggled > > > > invariably when > > > > > > > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars > > and > > > > Rahu like Saturn > > > > > in > > > > > > > my experiences with countless charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective > > and > > > > seperative; > > > > > > > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and > > > > 'weird'; > > > > > > > Mars makes one aggressive, active and > > dynamic; > > > > > > > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and > > > > loaded with excessive > > > > > > > desires; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the > > signs > > > > that signify > > > > > satwic > > > > > > > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ > > Sagittarius) in > > > > the charts of > > > > > great > > > > > > > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement > > in > > > > materialistic signs > > > > > > > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these > > > > configurations clearly > > > > > > > indicate its disconnection with satwic > > > > inclinations which is > > > > > more > > > > > > in > > > > > > > line with nature of Mars then that of > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above > > in > > > > mind would be that > > > > > > > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars > > like > > > > Rahu. Of course, > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > does have similarities with Ketu > > (technical > > > > faculties, > > > > > intensity); > > > > > > > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); > > but > > > > they fail to form > > > > > > > conclusive parallels when considering the > > key > > > > significations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction > > to > > > > Mukund's post, > > > > > (which > > > > > > > was not aimed at you initially) has > > > > depreciated my respect for > > > > > you > > > > > > > greatly. Your response was clearly driven > > by > > > > an urge to > > > > > demonstrate > > > > > > > your superior knowledge, qualify the > > drawbacks > > > > of Islam by > > > > > > > disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism > > and > > > > the ego created > > > > by > > > > > > > your status as owner of this group. > > > > > > > No one participating on this board is > > > > irrational enough to > > > > > believe > > > > > > > that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; > > > > general statements > > > > about > > > > > > > religious groups/castes/races never have > > > > substance. However the > > > > > > > indisputable fact remains that the > > majority of > > > > terrorist > > > > > activity > > > > > > is > > > > > > > carried out by groups that come under the > > > > banner of Islam. > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > it's politically incorrect to make such > > > > statements; but why > > > > > should > > > > > > > the truth not be objectively assessed? > > > > > > > I realize that this is board for > > discussions > > > > on Jyotish and > > > > > related > > > > > > > spiritualism so I apologize for > > lengthening > > > > this thread. If you > > > > > had > > > > > > > warned Mukundji politely and then > > subsequently > > > > ignored his > > > > > reaction > > > > > > > to your allegations about his character > > then > > > > perhaps this line > > > > > of > > > > > > > debate could have been avoided altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > "maniv78" > > > > > <maniv78> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > Shripal > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing > > Jup+ > > > > Ketu gives us > > > > > > > > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have > > > > analysed several > > > > > > > > > charts ,you will also find,people who > > are > > > > having > > > > > > > > > Jup+Sat are also spritually > > inclined.Have > > > > you ever > > > > > > > > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual > > > > inclination,than Ketu > > > > > > > > > like Mars holds false. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget > > about > > > > myth too,know > > > > > > > > > since ages astrology has changed a lot > > > > > > and be > > > > > > > > > practical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What > > I > > > > said was > > > > > > > > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic > > > > part.If ketu is > > > > > > > > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is > > Bad > > > > it act like > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What > > I > > > > am saying is > > > > > > > > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself > > in > > > > diff > > > > > > > > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even > > 7th > > > > aspect is > > > > > > > > > not there.But they influence various > > > > houses in > > > > > > > > > chart,because bottom line they are > > shadow > > > > planets.What > > > > > > > > > is shadow.All materialistic things > > which > > > > exists in > > > > > > > > > this world we always have a shadow.So > > > > planets squaring > > > > > > > > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected > > > > with > > > > > > > > > planets,there shadows are reflected on > > > > other > > > > > > > > > house,That's how they get a good and > > bad > > > > results of > > > > > > > > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing > > 'SHANIVAD > > > > RAHU - > > > > > > > > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > > > > > > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] > > > > principle from > > > > > > > > > > JAATAKA > > > > > > > > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups > > > > both the nodes > > > > > > > > > > similar to SATURN > > > > > > > > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs > > > > Mrg.)]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic > > nature of > > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in > > > > order to divert > > > > > > > > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu > > > > takes benefic > > > > > > > > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am eager to know which text > > supports > > > > the above > > > > > > > > > > statement, as I have > > > > > > > > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > > > > > > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL > > > > examples(charts) > > > > > > > > > > with the group > > > > > > > > > > using THIS principle, it would be > > better > > > > understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > > > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , > > > > Shripal > > > > > > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all > > qualities > > > > of Rahu and > > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > as individual and every word retun > > is > > > > true in all > > > > > > > > > > > respect.Something addition to > > that.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied > > > > soul,which are > > > > > > > > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are > > even > > > > known as a > > > > > > > > > > Shadow > > > > > > > > > > > planets.Shadow of each and > > everything > > > > which exist > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a > > shadow,as > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and > > Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic > > nature > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > > > why is makes one suffer too > > much,in > > > > order to > > > > > > > > > > divert > > > > > > > > > > > him towards Spirituality.while > > Rahu > > > > takes benefic > > > > > > > > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, > > > > cheerful, > > > > > > > > > > > affectionate, expansive, > > optimistic > > > > and popular > > > > > > > > > > > influence over the affairs of the > > > > house in which > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > falls, brings out the more > > positive > > > > potentials of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > sign in which it is placed, and > > > > favours the > > > > > > > > > > functions > > > > > > > > > > > and energies signified by any > > planets > > > > or points to > > > > > > > > > > > which it forms a conjunction or > > > > harmonious aspect > > > > > > > > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing > > > > benefit and > > > > > > > > > > gains). > > > > > > > > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful > > > > influence upon, > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > brings binding, delaying or > > impeding > > > > restrictions > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > obligations in relation to the > > affairs > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > house it > > > > > > > > > > > occupies; brings out the more > > negative > > > > potentials > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the sign in which it is posited > > and > > > > disfavours > > > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious > > aspect > > > > with it (the > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > particularly bringing losses and > > > > troubles). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's > > > > Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > relating to one's subconscious > > > > Attachment vs > > > > > > > > > > Conscious > > > > > > > > > > > growth.Ketu represents > > subconscious > > > > motivations > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > stem from the past and to which > > there > > > > is an inner > > > > > > > > > > > inclination to cling although they > > may > > > > no longer > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > relevant or appropriate to the > > > > individual's > > > > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu > > > > represents conscious > > > > > > > > > > > motivations relevant to the > > present > > > > and future, > > > > > > > > > > > characterised by a desire for the > > > > unfoldment of > > > > > > > > > > > appropriate changes in personal > > > > psychology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and > > > > faculties > > > > > > > > > > inherited > > > > > > > > > > > from former incarnations or 'past > > > > lives', while > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > > > > > > > > self-development in > > > > > > > > > > > the current incarnation in order > > to > > > > attain > > > > > > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the > > > > successful > > > > > > > > > > realisation of > > > > > > > > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary > > goals > > > > from this > > > > > > > > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are > > > > there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > not only one of them exist.That > > too > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > to each other all the time and > > > > retograting.I am > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > talking in terms of there > > technical > > > > > > > > > > existence.Reason > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu principles are not to be > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > > overthrown > > > > > > > > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in > > > > harmonious > > > > > > > > > > balance > > > > > > > > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new > > > > growth the > > > > > > > > > > reach > > > > > > > > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated > > > > struggle. > > > > > > > > > > Harmonious > > > > > > > > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions > > to > > > > the Rahu will > > > > > > > > > > > indicate relatively easy progress > > > > along the > > > > > > > > > > journey > > > > > > > > > > > towards this goal, while > > inharmonious > > > > aspects and > > > > > > > > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate > > > > difficulties. > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > individual will frequently, on > > > > encountering > > > > > > > > > > obstacles, > > > > > > > > > > > be consciously inclined to give up > > and > > > > return to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > safety of the Ketu, through > > weakness > > > > of resolve > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > than through absolute force or > > > > obligation. But as > > > > > > > > > > > always with stressful aspects, the > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > > rewards of > > > > > > > > > > > achievement can be greater and > > more > > > > spiritually > > > > > > > > > > > satisfying than would be attained > > by > > > > an easy > > > > > > > > > > passage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally > > and > > > > by transit > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > progression, show the manner in > > which > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be > > worked > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce > > forced > > > > growth; > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > those to the Ketu encourage > > > > conditioned responses. > > > > > > > > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of > > > > interest > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual > > > > towards the > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > and house placement of the squared > > > > planet.It > > > > > > > > > > creates a > > > > > > > > > > > tension for a individual in there > > > > growth. > > > > > > > > > > Quincunxes > > > > > > > > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved > > > > notion of the > > > > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring > > > > opportunities for > > > > > > > > > > > constructive growth, while trines > > > > bring easy > > > > > > > > > > > growth.That you all must be > > knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article > > > > Nodes in > > > > > > > > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about > > our > > > > interaction > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit > > > > <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an > > article > > > > of Rahu > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient > > astrological > > > > system of > > > > > > > > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major > > > > points in natal > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, > > > > especially in > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > transit movements through the > > birth > > > > chart. As > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to Western astrological > > > > systems which > > > > > > > > > > tends > > > > > > > > > > > > to view nodes as favourable > > > > influences, Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as > > malefic > > > > forces, > > > > > > > > > > > > responsible for chronic > > diseases, > > > > loss, > > > > > > > > > > sufferings, > > > > > > > > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and > > other > > > > maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a > > > > strong tendency > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > view the lunar nodes as > > something to > > > > do with > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's > > of > > > > one past > > > > > > > > > > lives. In > > > > > > > > > > > > this view, popularized by such > > > > authors as Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology > > series, > > > > the north > > > > > > > > > > nde > > > > > > > > > > > > represents what we should be > > > > striving towards in > > > > > > > > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic > > > > goal for us to > > > > > > > > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed > > as > > > > the past that > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold > > > > onto. > > > > > > > > > > Proponents of > > > > > > > > > > > > this view contend, that by > > looking > > > > at the sign > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > house placements of the nodes, > > one's > > > > karmic past > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. > > > > Curiously nodes are > > > > > > > > > > > > given rather strong importance > > in > > > > natal chart > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom > > > > looked at closely > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > transit analysis of the here and > > now > > > > of one's > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and > > Cosmobiological > > > > system of > > > > > > > > > > > > Germany, the nodes are > > interpreted > > > > as having a > > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > > to do with interpersonal > > > > relationships, rather > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of > > the > > > > Uranian > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological system strongly > > > > propounded this > > > > > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key > > in > > > > determining > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > social the person was and, as > > > > opposed to the > > > > > > > > > > > > American view, looked in at the > > > > transit > > > > > > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other > > > > planet would > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate where and what nature > > one's > > > > > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, > > > > however, while the > > > > > > > > > > > > nodes may have something to do > > with > > > > one's karma > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > may involve relationships with > > > > others, they are > > > > > > > > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic > > > > influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of > > > > origin of Rahu > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu > > > > occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed > > to > > > > taste and > > > > > > > > > > swallow > > > > > > > > > > > > the amrita just before the > > > > dismemberment and > > > > > > > > > > > > therefore was unable to be > > killed. > > > > Because of > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists > > > > eternally in > > > > > > > > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by > > sun > > > > and moon, > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those > > 2 > > > > planets, > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon > > during > > > > solar and > > > > > > > > > > lunar > > > > > > > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the > > origin or > > > > story of > > > > > > > > > > rahu , > > > > > > > > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar > > as it > > > > was able to > > > > > > > > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only > > > > temporarily. In > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, > > rahu > > > > has rulership > > > > > > > > > > > > over con artists, liars, > > illusions > > > > and cheats, > > > > > > > > > > Since > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only the head and part > > of > > > > the body of an > > > > > > > > > > > > immortal demon it is always > > > > constantly hungy, > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever food eaten never > > reaches > > > > the whole body > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And > > > > because of this > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable > > > > material desires . > > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > > matter how much it gets it > > always > > > > wants more and > > > > > > > > > > > > because of this rahu is closely > > > > associated with > > > > > > > > > > > > addictions and > > obsessive/compulsive > > > > behaviour > > > > > > > > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules > > > > poisons, drugs, > > > > > > > > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive > > > > gambling, sex > > > > > > > > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. > > > > Rahu also rules > > > > > > > > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational > > > > fears. Because > > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it > > also > > > > has domain > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > sufferings in general, > > especially > > > > chronic > > > > > > > > > > diseases > > > > > > > > > > > > and events that are sudden and > > seem > > > > fated and > > > > > > > > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to > > > > impersonate a > > > > > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > > > > > > at a considerable risk to > > itself( a > > > > gamble which > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually was lost by demon > > body > > > > leading to > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated > > with > > > > reckless > > > > > > > > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. > > > > Rahu can make > > > > > > > > > > > > people do things they otherwise > > > > would not by > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > them throw caution to wind and > > > > thinking that > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned > > from > > > > the vedic myth > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always > > > > temporary. In the > > > > > > > > > > myth > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods > > for > > > > a while, but > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > found at the end and suffered > > for > > > > it. Likewise, > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu > > may > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > material > > > > > > > > > > > > success, drive, fame and > > ambition, > > > > but these > > > > > > > > > > gifts > > > > > > > > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It > > is a > > > > virtual > > > > > > > > > > axiom in > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained > > with > > > > rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > influence will eventually > > flitter > > > > away and be > > > > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu > > teaches > > > > is this : > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > can't take it with you .The > > moment > > > > you think > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > you have attained lasting > > success > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly > > the > > > > moment when > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu will take away that > > success, > > > > leaving you > > > > > > > > > > hungry > > > > > > > > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot > > > > have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of > > rahu > > > > called as > > > > > > > > > > dragon's > > > > > > > > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is > > exact > > > > opposite of > > > > > > > > > > rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality > > and > > > > materialism > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and > > > > non-materiality. > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > this respect ketu acts like > > Neptune. > > > > But ketu's > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy > > price > > > > tag. It is > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu > > brings > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > > onto > > > > > > > > > > > > people by making them suffer. It > > is > > > > almost as if > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a > > > > person's life, > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to > > > > divine for help > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and > > > > non-material, > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > influence creates denial and > > > > sometimes > > > > > > > > > > abandonment. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu > > > > closely conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the > > > > mother will > > > > > > > > > > > > typically report that their > > mother > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > emotionally > > > > > > > > > > > > or physically unavailable when > > the > > > > person was > > > > > > > > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very > > mystic, > > > > occult, > > > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also > > bring > > > > with it > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and > > abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be > > aware of > > > > with ketu > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > that it rules diseases of > > unknown > > > > origin (like > > > > > > > > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, > > > > parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > > > > > > > > > disease that can get > > misdiagonised > > > > or mistreated > > > > > > > > > > > > this is because of ketu's > > hidden, > > > > mysterious > > > > > > > > > > > > quality. It can be most > > insidious > > > > influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given > > above I > > > > would also > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > to mention certain more points > > on > > > > the nodes > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > come across while studying > > different > > > > horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also > > > > mentioned in the > > > > > > > > > > article > > > > > > > > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are > > > > unsatisfied nodes. > > > > > > > > > > E.g > > > > > > > > > > > > for this I would like to mention > > > > here is that I > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > working as an astrologer with a > > very > > > > reputed > > > > > > > > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was > > > > filthy rich and > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > having all materialistic > > pleasures > > > > of life he > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his > > age is > > > > near about > > > > > > > > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain > > > > about having > > > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfied physical > > relationship > > > > with his > > > > > > > > > > wife, he > > > > > > > > > > > > felt still there is something > > > > lacking to make > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > more popular world wide, he had > > past > > > > broken > > > > > > > > > > affair > > > > > > > > > > > > and at this age too he was > > longing a > > > > > > > > > > companionship > > > > > > > > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was > > seen > > > > that his was > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and > > > > ketu- guru in > > > > > > > > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him > > > > disturbed or > > > > > > > > > > broken > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage life he is still with > > wife > > > > may be due > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could > > be > > > > saving point > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > his marital life (here I want > > group > > > > member to > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss what would have made him > > > > save his > > > > > > > > > > marriage) > > > > > > > > > > > > but he has grudges against his > > wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have > > seen is > > > > Mars and > > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in > > > > horoscopes > > > > > > > > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) > > have > > > > given those > > > > > > > > > > > > native questionable characters > > and > > > > sometimes > > > > > > > > > > even to > > > > > > > > > > > > the extent of satisfying their > > > > physical desires > > > > > > > > > > > > before marriage and afterwards > > > > getting separated > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary > > > > combinations gives > > > > > > > > > > > > such effects does Mars has > > something > > > > to do with > > > > > > > > > > > > character of person apart from > > it > > > > hot qualities > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful > > > > energy drives > > > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or > > discussion > > > > from Rupji > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one > > personal > > > > page ETry > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > > > > > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 Kadrudraji, Material 'norms' change with time and of course it is logical that we replace elephants with the finest cars - that's fairly obvious - but what is not clear is the impact of the change in environmental, sociocultural 'norms' which are very important influencing factors. That is my point. For example does an exalted Jupiter in a Kendra endow one with intense spiritual inclinations if the society in which he lives is 95% materialistically driven? Surely this energy would be diverted to fulfill sense driven ambitions? I have checked the Vimamsa charts (having a powerful Vimamsa chart doesn't not necessarily result in a renowned spiritualists); The Dasamsa or 'Mahatphalam' as Parashar called it, is used to asses achievements/role in society and more important, ones general direction and outer influence in life. For a Saint this direction/influence would be spiritually orientated and hence this should clearly show in this chart. It is not limited to career/professional activities. Take a look at as many charts as you can of great Saints and draw your own conclusions. Regards Maniv , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> wrote: > > Dear Maniv, > > Surely, 'norms' change with time, retaining their main idea, varying > in applications. Otherwise dictum like > 'if planets exalted A,B are in 4th or 11th one gets elephants, horses > and chariots...' would prove astrology wrong! > As norms change, elephants, horses and chariots are replaced with > bull-dozers,trucks,buses and cars and these are > accepted truths. Well, its good that you checked D-10 charts of > Yogis, but if I could make a suggestion, Dashamsha > or D-10 chart deals with 'Materialistic' persuit and the division > dealing with Spiritual success is Vimshamsha(D-20). > > Hope you get some clues from that too, as to why ancestors compared > nodes with Sat/Mar. > > yours humbly > KAD > > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > wrote: > > > > Kadji; > > > > My post was an expansion on the message that challenged the old > > dictum that we are also familiar with. I do not consider this to be > > the only factor when assessing the impact of the Nodes but did find > > the logic more digestible that Mars is like Rahu and Saturn like > > Ketu that Shripalji put forward. > > > > I agree that our 'ancestors' established this principle after a > > level of study which we can only dream of aspiring too; bit I also > > feel that such ambiguous theories do not remain static and they may > > evolve with time. Centuries ago, in an environment where the > > majority of the population was spiritually inclined and the popular > > culture was Vedic, Rahu's energy of drive/passion/desire would have > > been directed to mostly spiritual pursuits while Ketu's energy may > > have led one astray to black magic or to withdraw from spiritual > > activities which then were the 'norm'. Ketu in this age still > > withdraws one from the 'norm' but that 'norm' has changed to > > materialism which may explain Ketu's spiritual dimension. This is > by > > no means a rigid proposition; just a simple suggestion as to why > > this rule may have been set out as it was. > > > > I can not say with certainly that Rahu does not lead to Moksh and > > Ketu to aggression,(many contributing factors/energies effect such > > significations) but I have observed in the charts of the great > > spiritualists (Sivananda, Swaminarayan ,Ramkrishana etc) and > > religiously inclined individuals - especially the Dasamsa - > > patterns that much my above statements. > > > > Regards > > > > > > Maniv > > , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > I do not advise to stick on to the principle 'Rahu like Saturn > and > > > Kethu like Mars' but I do think that it was coined after > > > an extensive study of the planets, obviously by much more > > experienced > > > ancestors and I don't think that they would do it SIMPLY > > > LIKE THAT, without much study. Whether one gets success, involves > > > many factors and not only dictums, whatever may be the number > > > of charts one has looked at. Rather than comparing shadow planets > > to > > > other planets, I would humbly place them separately to > > > judge the chart. Otherwise, we are losing enormous amount of > > > information they reveal, by themselves and as occupants. > > > > > > > > > About nodes and Sat/Mar in your post, small doubt is - Are you > > sure > > > Rahu does not lead to Spiritualism/Moksha? > > > Are you sure Kethu does not make one attached or aggressive like > > > Mars? Or does that mean that you have not found > > > success using classical dictums?..just curious! > > > > > > yours > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I must agree with this point. I have struggled invariably when > > > > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars and Rahu like Saturn > > in > > > > my experiences with countless charts. > > > > > > > > We all know that: > > > > > > > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective and seperative; > > > > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and 'weird'; > > > > Mars makes one aggressive, active and dynamic; > > > > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and loaded with excessive > > > > desires; > > > > > > > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the signs that signify > > satwic > > > > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) in the charts of > > great > > > > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in materialistic signs > > > > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these configurations clearly > > > > indicate its disconnection with satwic inclinations which is > > more > > > in > > > > line with nature of Mars then that of Saturn. > > > > > > > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above in mind would be that > > > > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars like Rahu. Of course, > > > Mars > > > > does have similarities with Ketu (technical faculties, > > intensity); > > > > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); but they fail to form > > > > conclusive parallels when considering the key significations. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction to Mukund's post, > > (which > > > > was not aimed at you initially) has depreciated my respect for > > you > > > > greatly. Your response was clearly driven by an urge to > > demonstrate > > > > your superior knowledge, qualify the drawbacks of Islam by > > > > disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism and the ego created > by > > > > your status as owner of this group. > > > > No one participating on this board is irrational enough to > > believe > > > > that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; general statements > about > > > > religious groups/castes/races never have substance. However the > > > > indisputable fact remains that the majority of terrorist > > activity > > > is > > > > carried out by groups that come under the banner of Islam. > Maybe > > > > it's politically incorrect to make such statements; but why > > should > > > > the truth not be objectively assessed? > > > > I realize that this is board for discussions on Jyotish and > > related > > > > spiritualism so I apologize for lengthening this thread. If you > > had > > > > warned Mukundji politely and then subsequently ignored his > > reaction > > > > to your allegations about his character then perhaps this line > > of > > > > debate could have been avoided altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" > > <maniv78> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > <d_shripal> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ Ketu gives us > > > > > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have analysed several > > > > > > charts ,you will also find,people who are having > > > > > > Jup+Sat are also spritually inclined.Have you ever > > > > > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual inclination,than Ketu > > > > > > like Mars holds false. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget about myth too,know > > > > > > since ages astrology has changed a lot and be > > > > > > practical. > > > > > > > > > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I said was > > > > > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic part.If ketu is > > > > > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is Bad it act like > > > > > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I am saying is > > > > > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in diff > > > > > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even 7th aspect is > > > > > > not there.But they influence various houses in > > > > > > chart,because bottom line they are shadow planets.What > > > > > > is shadow.All materialistic things which exists in > > > > > > this world we always have a shadow.So planets squaring > > > > > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected with > > > > > > planets,there shadows are reflected on other > > > > > > house,That's how they get a good and bad results of > > > > > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > > > > > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > > > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] principle from > > > > > > > JAATAKA > > > > > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups both the nodes > > > > > > > similar to SATURN > > > > > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs Mrg.)]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert > > > > > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am eager to know which text supports the above > > > > > > > statement, as I have > > > > > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > > > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL examples(charts) > > > > > > > with the group > > > > > > > using THIS principle, it would be better understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > as individual and every word retun is true in all > > > > > > > > respect.Something addition to that.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are > > > > > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a > > > > > > > Shadow > > > > > > > > planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are > > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > > > > > > > divert > > > > > > > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > > > > > > > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > > > > > > > > influence over the affairs of the house in which > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > falls, brings out the more positive potentials of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > sign in which it is placed, and favours the > > > > > > > functions > > > > > > > > and energies signified by any planets or points to > > > > > > > > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect > > > > > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and > > > > > > > gains). > > > > > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > obligations in relation to the affairs of the > > > > > > > house it > > > > > > > > occupies; brings out the more negative potentials > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs > > > > > > > Conscious > > > > > > > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > stem from the past and to which there is an inner > > > > > > > > inclination to cling although they may no longer > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > relevant or appropriate to the individual's > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious > > > > > > > > motivations relevant to the present and future, > > > > > > > > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > > > > > > > > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties > > > > > > > inherited > > > > > > > > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > > > > > self-development in > > > > > > > > the current incarnation in order to attain > > > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the successful > > > > > > > realisation of > > > > > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > > > > > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > not only one of them exist.That too they are > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > to each other all the time and retograting.I am > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > talking in terms of there technical > > > > > > > existence.Reason > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > Ketu principles are not to be completely > > > > > > > overthrown > > > > > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious > > > > > > > balance > > > > > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the > > > > > > > reach > > > > > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. > > > > > > > Harmonious > > > > > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will > > > > > > > > indicate relatively easy progress along the > > > > > > > journey > > > > > > > > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and > > > > > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > individual will frequently, on encountering > > > > > > > obstacles, > > > > > > > > be consciously inclined to give up and return to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > than through absolute force or obligation. But as > > > > > > > > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate > > > > > > > rewards of > > > > > > > > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > > > > > > > > satisfying than would be attained by an easy > > > > > > > passage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > progression, show the manner in which the > > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > > > > > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. > > > > > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > and house placement of the squared planet.It > > > > > > > creates a > > > > > > > > tension for a individual in there growth. > > > > > > > Quincunxes > > > > > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for > > > > > > > > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > > > > > > > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > > > > > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > > > > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > > > > > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > > > > > > > > opposed to Western astrological systems which > > > > > > > tends > > > > > > > > > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > > > > > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > > > > > > > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, > > > > > > > sufferings, > > > > > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of one past > > > > > > > lives. In > > > > > > > > > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > > > > > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north > > > > > > > nde > > > > > > > > > represents what we should be striving towards in > > > > > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > > > > > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. > > > > > > > Proponents of > > > > > > > > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > house placements of the nodes, one's karmic past > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > > > > > > > > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > > > > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > transit analysis of the here and now of one's > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > > > > > > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > > > > > > > > astrological system strongly propounded this > > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > > > > > > > > American view, looked in at the transit > > > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > > > > > > > > indicate where and what nature one's > > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > > > > > > > > > nodes may have something to do with one's karma > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > may involve relationships with others, they are > > > > > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and > > > > > > > swallow > > > > > > > > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > > > > > > > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > > > > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun and moon, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and > > > > > > > lunar > > > > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of > > > > > > > rahu , > > > > > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > > > > > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > > > > > > > > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, > > > > > > > Since > > > > > > > > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > > > > > > > > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > > > > > > > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > > > > > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > > > > > > > > > because of this rahu is closely associated with > > > > > > > > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > > > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > > > > > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > > > > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > > > > > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > sufferings in general, especially chronic > > > > > > > diseases > > > > > > > > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > > > > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a > > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > > > > > > > > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > > > > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > > > > > > > > people do things they otherwise would not by > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always temporary. In the > > > > > > > myth > > > > > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may give > > > > > > > material > > > > > > > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these > > > > > > > gifts > > > > > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual > > > > > > > axiom in > > > > > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu's > > > > > > > > > influence will eventually flitter away and be > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > can't take it with you .The moment you think > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > > > > > > > > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you > > > > > > > hungry > > > > > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as > > > > > > > dragon's > > > > > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of > > > > > > > rahu. > > > > > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu's > > > > > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality > > > > > > > onto > > > > > > > > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > > > > > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a person's life, > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > influence creates denial and sometimes > > > > > > > abandonment. > > > > > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > > > > > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > > > > > > > > typically report that their mother was > > > > > > > emotionally > > > > > > > > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > > > > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > > > > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > > > > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > > > > > > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > > > > > > > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, mysterious > > > > > > > > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > to mention certain more points on the nodes > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the > > > > > > > article > > > > > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. > > > > > > > E.g > > > > > > > > > for this I would like to mention here is that I > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > > > > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > > > > > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > > > > > > > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his > > > > > > > wife, he > > > > > > > > > felt still there is something lacking to make > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > more popular world wide, he had past broken > > > > > > > affair > > > > > > > > > and at this age too he was longing a > > > > > > > companionship > > > > > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > > > > > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > > > > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or > > > > > > > broken > > > > > > > > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > > > > > > > > discuss what would have made him save his > > > > > > > marriage) > > > > > > > > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > > > > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > > > > > > > > > native questionable characters and sometimes > > > > > > > even to > > > > > > > > > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > > > > > > > > > before marriage and afterwards getting separated > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > > > > > > > > > such effects does Mars has something to do with > > > > > > > > > character of person apart from it hot qualities > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page ETry > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 Hi Maniv, Many thanks for looking my horoscope up. It was an awesome analysis and a great synopsis. To ratify your reading I would say that house # 7 has had so many challenges, that it finally yeilded to the pounding and resulted with my ex divorcing me. I wanted to know if you see another marriage, and if so when. Regards Soumit maniv78 <maniv78 wrote: Soumit; It is extremely difficult to give instant predictions when no specific query has been assigned. The following statements are based on a brief look at your chart and are by no means conclusive indicators of future events. The 1st and 7th houses are caught up in the Rahu-Ketu axis and this more often then not promises major ups and downs in life. This affliction is, of course, worsened by the conjunctions of Saturn and Mars with the Nodes. With Mars and Sun debilitated ( Sun is also afflicted by the aspects of Saturn and Mars) and Moon placed in the 8th house you have further afflictions that are likely to have effected key areas of your life; especially marriage/married life. Assessing the impact of Rahu-Ketu is a complex affair when they are so closely connected with the two key malefics and when there are other badly afflicted planets in the chart. Major obstacles will arise time and time again when the route of material objectives/attachments is chosen. Spirituality is indicated by the Saturn-Ketu conjunction in Capricorn ascendant; the exaltation of 9th lord Mercury and the aspect of Jupiter on the Moon. These configurations imply that you have evolved sufficiently to develop the perception that enables constructive and dynamic character reforming introspection. Rahu dasha runs till 2011 so challenges will persist; Rahu-Venus may bring a brief spell of sunshine but the clouds will remain most probably until the commencement of Jupiter dasha in 2011. Regards Maniv , Soumit Guha <java_sgt> wrote: > Hi Maniv, > I have Saturn conjunct Ketu (100%) in Capricorn(Asc) and Mars conjunct Rahu (<1 deg off) in Cancer (7th). And everybody i guess is fully aspecting everyboydy else and that too right in the center of the houses. > > I was therefore very interested in this thread and relate 100% to what you just said > Could you look into the crystal ball and tell me, what choppy waters lie ahead for me. > My ride has been quite bumpy. > Appreciate a reply > Thanks > Soumit (Oct 24,1962, N Delhi, 13:40) > > > maniv78 <maniv78> wrote: > > I must agree with this point. I have struggled invariably when > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars and Rahu like Saturn in > my experiences with countless charts. > > We all know that: > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective and seperative; > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and 'weird'; > Mars makes one aggressive, active and dynamic; > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and loaded with excessive > desires; > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the signs that signify satwic > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) in the charts of great > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in materialistic signs > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these configurations clearly > indicate its disconnection with satwic inclinations which is more in > line with nature of Mars then that of Saturn. > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above in mind would be that > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars like Rahu. Of course, Mars > does have similarities with Ketu (technical faculties, intensity); > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); but they fail to form > conclusive parallels when considering the key significations. > > Regards > > Maniv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 No problem! people always differ in opinion! Anyway, thanks for ur posts yours KAD , "maniv78" <maniv78> wrote: > > Kadrudraji, > > Material 'norms' change with time and of course it is logical that > we replace elephants with the finest cars - that's fairly obvious - > but what is not clear is the impact of the change in environmental, > sociocultural 'norms' which are very important influencing factors. > That is my point. For example does an exalted Jupiter in a Kendra > endow one with intense spiritual inclinations if the society in > which he lives is 95% materialistically driven? Surely this energy > would be diverted to fulfill sense driven ambitions? > > I have checked the Vimamsa charts (having a powerful Vimamsa chart > doesn't not necessarily result in a renowned spiritualists); The > Dasamsa or 'Mahatphalam' as Parashar called it, is used to asses > achievements/role in society and more important, ones general > direction and outer influence in life. For a Saint this > direction/influence would be spiritually orientated and hence this > should clearly show in this chart. It is not limited to > career/professional activities. > > Take a look at as many charts as you can of great Saints and draw > your own conclusions. > > Regards > > Maniv > > , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > wrote: > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > Surely, 'norms' change with time, retaining their main idea, > varying > > in applications. Otherwise dictum like > > 'if planets exalted A,B are in 4th or 11th one gets elephants, > horses > > and chariots...' would prove astrology wrong! > > As norms change, elephants, horses and chariots are replaced with > > bull-dozers,trucks,buses and cars and these are > > accepted truths. Well, its good that you checked D-10 charts of > > Yogis, but if I could make a suggestion, Dashamsha > > or D-10 chart deals with 'Materialistic' persuit and the division > > dealing with Spiritual success is Vimshamsha(D-20). > > > > Hope you get some clues from that too, as to why ancestors > compared > > nodes with Sat/Mar. > > > > yours humbly > > KAD > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > > wrote: > > > > > > Kadji; > > > > > > My post was an expansion on the message that challenged the old > > > dictum that we are also familiar with. I do not consider this to > be > > > the only factor when assessing the impact of the Nodes but did > find > > > the logic more digestible that Mars is like Rahu and Saturn like > > > Ketu that Shripalji put forward. > > > > > > I agree that our 'ancestors' established this principle after a > > > level of study which we can only dream of aspiring too; bit I > also > > > feel that such ambiguous theories do not remain static and they > may > > > evolve with time. Centuries ago, in an environment where the > > > majority of the population was spiritually inclined and the > popular > > > culture was Vedic, Rahu's energy of drive/passion/desire would > have > > > been directed to mostly spiritual pursuits while Ketu's energy > may > > > have led one astray to black magic or to withdraw from spiritual > > > activities which then were the 'norm'. Ketu in this age still > > > withdraws one from the 'norm' but that 'norm' has changed to > > > materialism which may explain Ketu's spiritual dimension. This > is > > by > > > no means a rigid proposition; just a simple suggestion as to why > > > this rule may have been set out as it was. > > > > > > I can not say with certainly that Rahu does not lead to Moksh > and > > > Ketu to aggression,(many contributing factors/energies effect > such > > > significations) but I have observed in the charts of the great > > > spiritualists (Sivananda, Swaminarayan ,Ramkrishana etc) and > > > religiously inclined individuals - especially the Dasamsa - > > > patterns that much my above statements. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > , "kadrudra" > <kadrudra> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > I do not advise to stick on to the principle 'Rahu like Saturn > > and > > > > Kethu like Mars' but I do think that it was coined after > > > > an extensive study of the planets, obviously by much more > > > experienced > > > > ancestors and I don't think that they would do it SIMPLY > > > > LIKE THAT, without much study. Whether one gets success, > involves > > > > many factors and not only dictums, whatever may be the number > > > > of charts one has looked at. Rather than comparing shadow > planets > > > to > > > > other planets, I would humbly place them separately to > > > > judge the chart. Otherwise, we are losing enormous amount of > > > > information they reveal, by themselves and as occupants. > > > > > > > > > > > > About nodes and Sat/Mar in your post, small doubt is - Are you > > > sure > > > > Rahu does not lead to Spiritualism/Moksha? > > > > Are you sure Kethu does not make one attached or aggressive > like > > > > Mars? Or does that mean that you have not found > > > > success using classical dictums?..just curious! > > > > > > > > yours > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" > <maniv78> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I must agree with this point. I have struggled invariably > when > > > > > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars and Rahu like > Saturn > > > in > > > > > my experiences with countless charts. > > > > > > > > > > We all know that: > > > > > > > > > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective and seperative; > > > > > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and 'weird'; > > > > > Mars makes one aggressive, active and dynamic; > > > > > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and loaded with > excessive > > > > > desires; > > > > > > > > > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the signs that signify > > > satwic > > > > > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) in the charts of > > > great > > > > > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in materialistic > signs > > > > > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these configurations > clearly > > > > > indicate its disconnection with satwic inclinations which is > > > more > > > > in > > > > > line with nature of Mars then that of Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above in mind would be > that > > > > > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars like Rahu. Of > course, > > > > Mars > > > > > does have similarities with Ketu (technical faculties, > > > intensity); > > > > > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); but they fail to > form > > > > > conclusive parallels when considering the key significations. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction to Mukund's post, > > > (which > > > > > was not aimed at you initially) has depreciated my respect > for > > > you > > > > > greatly. Your response was clearly driven by an urge to > > > demonstrate > > > > > your superior knowledge, qualify the drawbacks of Islam by > > > > > disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism and the ego > created > > by > > > > > your status as owner of this group. > > > > > No one participating on this board is irrational enough to > > > believe > > > > > that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; general statements > > about > > > > > religious groups/castes/races never have substance. However > the > > > > > indisputable fact remains that the majority of terrorist > > > activity > > > > is > > > > > carried out by groups that come under the banner of Islam. > > Maybe > > > > > it's politically incorrect to make such statements; but why > > > should > > > > > the truth not be objectively assessed? > > > > > I realize that this is board for discussions on Jyotish and > > > related > > > > > spiritualism so I apologize for lengthening this thread. If > you > > > had > > > > > warned Mukundji politely and then subsequently ignored his > > > reaction > > > > > to your allegations about his character then perhaps this > line > > > of > > > > > debate could have been avoided altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" > > > <maniv78> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ Ketu gives us > > > > > > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have analysed several > > > > > > > charts ,you will also find,people who are having > > > > > > > Jup+Sat are also spritually inclined.Have you ever > > > > > > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual inclination,than Ketu > > > > > > > like Mars holds false. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget about myth too,know > > > > > > > since ages astrology has changed a lot and be > > > > > > > practical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I said was > > > > > > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic part.If ketu is > > > > > > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is Bad it act like > > > > > > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I am saying is > > > > > > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in diff > > > > > > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even 7th aspect is > > > > > > > not there.But they influence various houses in > > > > > > > chart,because bottom line they are shadow planets.What > > > > > > > is shadow.All materialistic things which exists in > > > > > > > this world we always have a shadow.So planets squaring > > > > > > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected with > > > > > > > planets,there shadows are reflected on other > > > > > > > house,That's how they get a good and bad results of > > > > > > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > > > > > > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > > > > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] principle from > > > > > > > > JAATAKA > > > > > > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups both the nodes > > > > > > > > similar to SATURN > > > > > > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs Mrg.)]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert > > > > > > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am eager to know which text supports the above > > > > > > > > statement, as I have > > > > > > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > > > > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL examples(charts) > > > > > > > > with the group > > > > > > > > using THIS principle, it would be better understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > as individual and every word retun is true in all > > > > > > > > > respect.Something addition to that.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are > > > > > > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a > > > > > > > > Shadow > > > > > > > > > planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are > > > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > > > > > > > > divert > > > > > > > > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > > > > > > > > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > > > > > > > > > influence over the affairs of the house in which > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > falls, brings out the more positive potentials of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > sign in which it is placed, and favours the > > > > > > > > functions > > > > > > > > > and energies signified by any planets or points to > > > > > > > > > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect > > > > > > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and > > > > > > > > gains). > > > > > > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > obligations in relation to the affairs of the > > > > > > > > house it > > > > > > > > > occupies; brings out the more negative potentials > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs > > > > > > > > Conscious > > > > > > > > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > stem from the past and to which there is an inner > > > > > > > > > inclination to cling although they may no longer > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > relevant or appropriate to the individual's > > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious > > > > > > > > > motivations relevant to the present and future, > > > > > > > > > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > > > > > > > > > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties > > > > > > > > inherited > > > > > > > > > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > > > > > > self-development in > > > > > > > > > the current incarnation in order to attain > > > > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the successful > > > > > > > > realisation of > > > > > > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > > > > > > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not only one of them exist.That too they are > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > to each other all the time and retograting.I am > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > talking in terms of there technical > > > > > > > > existence.Reason > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > Ketu principles are not to be completely > > > > > > > > overthrown > > > > > > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious > > > > > > > > balance > > > > > > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the > > > > > > > > reach > > > > > > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. > > > > > > > > Harmonious > > > > > > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will > > > > > > > > > indicate relatively easy progress along the > > > > > > > > journey > > > > > > > > > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and > > > > > > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > individual will frequently, on encountering > > > > > > > > obstacles, > > > > > > > > > be consciously inclined to give up and return to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > than through absolute force or obligation. But as > > > > > > > > > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate > > > > > > > > rewards of > > > > > > > > > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > > > > > > > > > satisfying than would be attained by an easy > > > > > > > > passage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > progression, show the manner in which the > > > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > > > > > > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. > > > > > > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > and house placement of the squared planet.It > > > > > > > > creates a > > > > > > > > > tension for a individual in there growth. > > > > > > > > Quincunxes > > > > > > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the > > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for > > > > > > > > > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > > > > > > > > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > > > > > > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > > > > > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > > > > > > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > > > > > > > > > opposed to Western astrological systems which > > > > > > > > tends > > > > > > > > > > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > > > > > > > > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, > > > > > > > > sufferings, > > > > > > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of one past > > > > > > > > lives. In > > > > > > > > > > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > > > > > > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north > > > > > > > > nde > > > > > > > > > > represents what we should be striving towards in > > > > > > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > > > > > > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. > > > > > > > > Proponents of > > > > > > > > > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > house placements of the nodes, one's karmic past > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > > > > > > > > > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > > > > > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > transit analysis of the here and now of one's > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > > > > > > > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > > > > > > > > > astrological system strongly propounded this > > > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > > > > > > > > > American view, looked in at the transit > > > > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > > > > > > > > > indicate where and what nature one's > > > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > > > > > > > > > > nodes may have something to do with one's karma > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > may involve relationships with others, they are > > > > > > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and > > > > > > > > swallow > > > > > > > > > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > > > > > > > > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > > > > > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun and moon, > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and > > > > > > > > lunar > > > > > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of > > > > > > > > rahu , > > > > > > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > > > > > > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > > > > > > > > > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, > > > > > > > > Since > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > > > > > > > > > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > > > > > > > > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > > > > > > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > > > > > > > > > > because of this rahu is closely associated with > > > > > > > > > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > > > > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > > > > > > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > > > > > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > > > > > > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > sufferings in general, especially chronic > > > > > > > > diseases > > > > > > > > > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > > > > > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a > > > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > > > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > > > > > > > > > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > > > > > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > > > > > > > > > people do things they otherwise would not by > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always temporary. In the > > > > > > > > myth > > > > > > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may give > > > > > > > > material > > > > > > > > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these > > > > > > > > gifts > > > > > > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual > > > > > > > > axiom in > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu's > > > > > > > > > > influence will eventually flitter away and be > > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > can't take it with you .The moment you think > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > > > > > > > > > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you > > > > > > > > hungry > > > > > > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as > > > > > > > > dragon's > > > > > > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of > > > > > > > > rahu. > > > > > > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu's > > > > > > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality > > > > > > > > onto > > > > > > > > > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > > > > > > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a person's life, > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > influence creates denial and sometimes > > > > > > > > abandonment. > > > > > > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > > > > > > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > > > > > > > > > typically report that their mother was > > > > > > > > emotionally > > > > > > > > > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > > > > > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > > > > > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > > > > > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > > > > > > > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > > > > > > > > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, mysterious > > > > > > > > > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > to mention certain more points on the nodes > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the > > > > > > > > article > > > > > > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. > > > > > > > > E.g > > > > > > > > > > for this I would like to mention here is that I > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > > > > > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > > > > > > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his > > > > > > > > wife, he > > > > > > > > > > felt still there is something lacking to make > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > more popular world wide, he had past broken > > > > > > > > affair > > > > > > > > > > and at this age too he was longing a > > > > > > > > companionship > > > > > > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > > > > > > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > > > > > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or > > > > > > > > broken > > > > > > > > > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > > > > > > > > > discuss what would have made him save his > > > > > > > > marriage) > > > > > > > > > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > > > > > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > > > > > > > > > > native questionable characters and sometimes > > > > > > > > even to > > > > > > > > > > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > > > > > > > > > > before marriage and afterwards getting separated > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > > > > > > > > > > such effects does Mars has something to do with > > > > > > > > > > character of person apart from it hot qualities > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page ETry > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > > > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Maniv, Your posts are very thoughtful and thought-provoking. Thanks! I have seen this tendency even in experienced players on the field of jyotish to focus on one layer sometimes and whether this is really what they only looked at or it is difficult to encapsulate their entire thought process, much of which they are perhaps unaware of, into one post that could give this tendency. It is good of you to remind all that each divisional is part of the whole and a contributor, strong, or weak. The important thing is, is it harmonious to the other layers? One strong player in a team may bring about wins, but the team really does not work as a team in that case -- he or she might just play alone, for that matter :-) Indeed, dashamsha has been undersold as a chart of occupation. It is simply the chart of karma, of duties, the game plan. A strong vimshamsha and in some cases a strong sattwic in 10th has been shown to be an underutilized asset -- particularly when the total karmic sense is being looked at. Like nuggets of gold glittering from a pile of cattle-droppings (don't ask me how it got there!). Albeit, some would be able to hold their noses and wash the gold nuggets out of the crap, but many will simply walk away or worse -- cover the heap of dung with more rubbish and soil and now one cannot even see the gold nuggets anymore! I take a strong vimshamsha (whatever that means and that could mean different things) as an indication of one coming with some pre- experience in that area. Same with a strong navamsha (strong experience and inherent maturity regarding relationships and the dharma of relationships) and a strong saptamsha with experience in parenting. However, the assets may or may not be utilized or may be expressed differently. A celibate with a good saptamamsha may turn out to be a great teacher, a spiritual leader with a strong navamsha, vimshamsha might bring spirituality into focus through sexual metaphors, etc. Blending of what is there and what will be expressed has always been a tough call for jyotishis (all divinators) and even in that dashamsha alone, the chart of karma alone is not adequate for deciphering that. This kind of multiple considerations gets confusing beyond a certain point for different individuals. The beauty of astrology is that even if one works with just one layer (rashi) they can be effective in helping others, even though there will be misses and mistakes. However, these mistakes might be fewer than one who tries to look at many things, beyond their capacity and ends up confused. I know I am digressing a bit here for this has nothing to do with the subject at hand, but hopefully readers will tolerate same. Perhaps the ancient keepers of jyotish were pre-aware of this hence the reference to special techniques such as ashtakvarga for jyotishis of Kaliyuga (as stated by Parashara). Mind you, I have always been intrigued by this in early days. I mean, compared to many other techniques, ashtakavarga is more complex and involved in terms of keeping all those points together and so on -- so what was Parashara thinking? Well, in the last 10-20 years, the scene has changed and computers have made it possible to do away with all the cumbersome calculations and true to modern fast foods and packaged precooked foods, the dinner is ready insofar as jyotish is concerned! Not that it would now not give one a big indigestion and less than optimum health -- just as fast food and packaged food loaded with preservatives! RR , "maniv78" <maniv78> wrote: > > Kadrudraji, > > Material 'norms' change with time and of course it is logical that > we replace elephants with the finest cars - that's fairly obvious - > but what is not clear is the impact of the change in environmental, > sociocultural 'norms' which are very important influencing factors. > That is my point. For example does an exalted Jupiter in a Kendra > endow one with intense spiritual inclinations if the society in > which he lives is 95% materialistically driven? Surely this energy > would be diverted to fulfill sense driven ambitions? > > I have checked the Vimamsa charts (having a powerful Vimamsa chart > doesn't not necessarily result in a renowned spiritualists); The > Dasamsa or 'Mahatphalam' as Parashar called it, is used to asses > achievements/role in society and more important, ones general > direction and outer influence in life. For a Saint this > direction/influence would be spiritually orientated and hence this > should clearly show in this chart. It is not limited to > career/professional activities. > > Take a look at as many charts as you can of great Saints and draw > your own conclusions. > > Regards > > Maniv > > , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > wrote: > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > Surely, 'norms' change with time, retaining their main idea, > varying > > in applications. Otherwise dictum like > > 'if planets exalted A,B are in 4th or 11th one gets elephants, > horses > > and chariots...' would prove astrology wrong! > > As norms change, elephants, horses and chariots are replaced with > > bull-dozers,trucks,buses and cars and these are > > accepted truths. Well, its good that you checked D-10 charts of > > Yogis, but if I could make a suggestion, Dashamsha > > or D-10 chart deals with 'Materialistic' persuit and the division > > dealing with Spiritual success is Vimshamsha(D-20). > > > > Hope you get some clues from that too, as to why ancestors > compared > > nodes with Sat/Mar. > > > > yours humbly > > KAD > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > > wrote: > > > > > > Kadji; > > > > > > My post was an expansion on the message that challenged the old > > > dictum that we are also familiar with. I do not consider this to > be > > > the only factor when assessing the impact of the Nodes but did > find > > > the logic more digestible that Mars is like Rahu and Saturn like > > > Ketu that Shripalji put forward. > > > > > > I agree that our 'ancestors' established this principle after a > > > level of study which we can only dream of aspiring too; bit I > also > > > feel that such ambiguous theories do not remain static and they > may > > > evolve with time. Centuries ago, in an environment where the > > > majority of the population was spiritually inclined and the > popular > > > culture was Vedic, Rahu's energy of drive/passion/desire would > have > > > been directed to mostly spiritual pursuits while Ketu's energy > may > > > have led one astray to black magic or to withdraw from spiritual > > > activities which then were the 'norm'. Ketu in this age still > > > withdraws one from the 'norm' but that 'norm' has changed to > > > materialism which may explain Ketu's spiritual dimension. This > is > > by > > > no means a rigid proposition; just a simple suggestion as to why > > > this rule may have been set out as it was. > > > > > > I can not say with certainly that Rahu does not lead to Moksh > and > > > Ketu to aggression,(many contributing factors/energies effect > such > > > significations) but I have observed in the charts of the great > > > spiritualists (Sivananda, Swaminarayan ,Ramkrishana etc) and > > > religiously inclined individuals - especially the Dasamsa - > > > patterns that much my above statements. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > , "kadrudra" > <kadrudra> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > I do not advise to stick on to the principle 'Rahu like Saturn > > and > > > > Kethu like Mars' but I do think that it was coined after > > > > an extensive study of the planets, obviously by much more > > > experienced > > > > ancestors and I don't think that they would do it SIMPLY > > > > LIKE THAT, without much study. Whether one gets success, > involves > > > > many factors and not only dictums, whatever may be the number > > > > of charts one has looked at. Rather than comparing shadow > planets > > > to > > > > other planets, I would humbly place them separately to > > > > judge the chart. Otherwise, we are losing enormous amount of > > > > information they reveal, by themselves and as occupants. > > > > > > > > > > > > About nodes and Sat/Mar in your post, small doubt is - Are you > > > sure > > > > Rahu does not lead to Spiritualism/Moksha? > > > > Are you sure Kethu does not make one attached or aggressive > like > > > > Mars? Or does that mean that you have not found > > > > success using classical dictums?..just curious! > > > > > > > > yours > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" > <maniv78> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I must agree with this point. I have struggled invariably > when > > > > > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars and Rahu like > Saturn > > > in > > > > > my experiences with countless charts. > > > > > > > > > > We all know that: > > > > > > > > > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective and seperative; > > > > > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and 'weird'; > > > > > Mars makes one aggressive, active and dynamic; > > > > > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and loaded with > excessive > > > > > desires; > > > > > > > > > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the signs that signify > > > satwic > > > > > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) in the charts of > > > great > > > > > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in materialistic > signs > > > > > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these configurations > clearly > > > > > indicate its disconnection with satwic inclinations which is > > > more > > > > in > > > > > line with nature of Mars then that of Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above in mind would be > that > > > > > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars like Rahu. Of > course, > > > > Mars > > > > > does have similarities with Ketu (technical faculties, > > > intensity); > > > > > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); but they fail to > form > > > > > conclusive parallels when considering the key significations. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction to Mukund's post, > > > (which > > > > > was not aimed at you initially) has depreciated my respect > for > > > you > > > > > greatly. Your response was clearly driven by an urge to > > > demonstrate > > > > > your superior knowledge, qualify the drawbacks of Islam by > > > > > disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism and the ego > created > > by > > > > > your status as owner of this group. > > > > > No one participating on this board is irrational enough to > > > believe > > > > > that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; general statements > > about > > > > > religious groups/castes/races never have substance. However > the > > > > > indisputable fact remains that the majority of terrorist > > > activity > > > > is > > > > > carried out by groups that come under the banner of Islam. > > Maybe > > > > > it's politically incorrect to make such statements; but why > > > should > > > > > the truth not be objectively assessed? > > > > > I realize that this is board for discussions on Jyotish and > > > related > > > > > spiritualism so I apologize for lengthening this thread. If > you > > > had > > > > > warned Mukundji politely and then subsequently ignored his > > > reaction > > > > > to your allegations about his character then perhaps this > line > > > of > > > > > debate could have been avoided altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" > > > <maniv78> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ Ketu gives us > > > > > > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have analysed several > > > > > > > charts ,you will also find,people who are having > > > > > > > Jup+Sat are also spritually inclined.Have you ever > > > > > > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual inclination,than Ketu > > > > > > > like Mars holds false. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget about myth too,know > > > > > > > since ages astrology has changed a lot and be > > > > > > > practical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I said was > > > > > > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic part.If ketu is > > > > > > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is Bad it act like > > > > > > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I am saying is > > > > > > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in diff > > > > > > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even 7th aspect is > > > > > > > not there.But they influence various houses in > > > > > > > chart,because bottom line they are shadow planets.What > > > > > > > is shadow.All materialistic things which exists in > > > > > > > this world we always have a shadow.So planets squaring > > > > > > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected with > > > > > > > planets,there shadows are reflected on other > > > > > > > house,That's how they get a good and bad results of > > > > > > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > > > > > > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > > > > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] principle from > > > > > > > > JAATAKA > > > > > > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups both the nodes > > > > > > > > similar to SATURN > > > > > > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs Mrg.)]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert > > > > > > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am eager to know which text supports the above > > > > > > > > statement, as I have > > > > > > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > > > > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL examples(charts) > > > > > > > > with the group > > > > > > > > using THIS principle, it would be better understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > as individual and every word retun is true in all > > > > > > > > > respect.Something addition to that.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are > > > > > > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a > > > > > > > > Shadow > > > > > > > > > planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are > > > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > > > > > > > > divert > > > > > > > > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > > > > > > > > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > > > > > > > > > influence over the affairs of the house in which > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > falls, brings out the more positive potentials of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > sign in which it is placed, and favours the > > > > > > > > functions > > > > > > > > > and energies signified by any planets or points to > > > > > > > > > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect > > > > > > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and > > > > > > > > gains). > > > > > > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > obligations in relation to the affairs of the > > > > > > > > house it > > > > > > > > > occupies; brings out the more negative potentials > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs > > > > > > > > Conscious > > > > > > > > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > stem from the past and to which there is an inner > > > > > > > > > inclination to cling although they may no longer > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > relevant or appropriate to the individual's > > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious > > > > > > > > > motivations relevant to the present and future, > > > > > > > > > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > > > > > > > > > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties > > > > > > > > inherited > > > > > > > > > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > > > > > > self-development in > > > > > > > > > the current incarnation in order to attain > > > > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the successful > > > > > > > > realisation of > > > > > > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > > > > > > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > not only one of them exist.That too they are > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > to each other all the time and retograting.I am > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > talking in terms of there technical > > > > > > > > existence.Reason > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > Ketu principles are not to be completely > > > > > > > > overthrown > > > > > > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious > > > > > > > > balance > > > > > > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the > > > > > > > > reach > > > > > > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. > > > > > > > > Harmonious > > > > > > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will > > > > > > > > > indicate relatively easy progress along the > > > > > > > > journey > > > > > > > > > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and > > > > > > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > individual will frequently, on encountering > > > > > > > > obstacles, > > > > > > > > > be consciously inclined to give up and return to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > than through absolute force or obligation. But as > > > > > > > > > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate > > > > > > > > rewards of > > > > > > > > > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > > > > > > > > > satisfying than would be attained by an easy > > > > > > > > passage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > progression, show the manner in which the > > > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > > > > > > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. > > > > > > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > and house placement of the squared planet.It > > > > > > > > creates a > > > > > > > > > tension for a individual in there growth. > > > > > > > > Quincunxes > > > > > > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the > > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for > > > > > > > > > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > > > > > > > > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > > > > > > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > > > > > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > > > > > > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > > > > > > > > > opposed to Western astrological systems which > > > > > > > > tends > > > > > > > > > > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > > > > > > > > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, > > > > > > > > sufferings, > > > > > > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of one past > > > > > > > > lives. In > > > > > > > > > > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > > > > > > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north > > > > > > > > nde > > > > > > > > > > represents what we should be striving towards in > > > > > > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > > > > > > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. > > > > > > > > Proponents of > > > > > > > > > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > house placements of the nodes, one's karmic past > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > > > > > > > > > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > > > > > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > transit analysis of the here and now of one's > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > > > > > > > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > > > > > > > > > astrological system strongly propounded this > > > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > > > > > > > > > American view, looked in at the transit > > > > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > > > > > > > > > indicate where and what nature one's > > > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > > > > > > > > > > nodes may have something to do with one's karma > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > may involve relationships with others, they are > > > > > > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and > > > > > > > > swallow > > > > > > > > > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > > > > > > > > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > > > > > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun and moon, > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and > > > > > > > > lunar > > > > > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of > > > > > > > > rahu , > > > > > > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > > > > > > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > > > > > > > > > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, > > > > > > > > Since > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > > > > > > > > > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > > > > > > > > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > > > > > > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > > > > > > > > > > because of this rahu is closely associated with > > > > > > > > > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > > > > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > > > > > > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > > > > > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > > > > > > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > sufferings in general, especially chronic > > > > > > > > diseases > > > > > > > > > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > > > > > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a > > > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > > > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > > > > > > > > > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > > > > > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > > > > > > > > > people do things they otherwise would not by > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always temporary. In the > > > > > > > > myth > > > > > > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may give > > > > > > > > material > > > > > > > > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these > > > > > > > > gifts > > > > > > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual > > > > > > > > axiom in > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu's > > > > > > > > > > influence will eventually flitter away and be > > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > can't take it with you .The moment you think > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > > > > > > > > > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you > > > > > > > > hungry > > > > > > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as > > > > > > > > dragon's > > > > > > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of > > > > > > > > rahu. > > > > > > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu's > > > > > > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality > > > > > > > > onto > > > > > > > > > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > > > > > > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a person's life, > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > influence creates denial and sometimes > > > > > > > > abandonment. > > > > > > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > > > > > > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > > > > > > > > > typically report that their mother was > > > > > > > > emotionally > > > > > > > > > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > > > > > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > > > > > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > > > > > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > > > > > > > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > > > > > > > > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, mysterious > > > > > > > > > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > to mention certain more points on the nodes > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the > > > > > > > > article > > > > > > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. > > > > > > > > E.g > > > > > > > > > > for this I would like to mention here is that I > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > > > > > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > > > > > > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his > > > > > > > > wife, he > > > > > > > > > > felt still there is something lacking to make > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > more popular world wide, he had past broken > > > > > > > > affair > > > > > > > > > > and at this age too he was longing a > > > > > > > > companionship > > > > > > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > > > > > > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > > > > > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or > > > > > > > > broken > > > > > > > > > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > > > > > > > > > discuss what would have made him save his > > > > > > > > marriage) > > > > > > > > > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > > > > > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > > > > > > > > > > native questionable characters and sometimes > > > > > > > > even to > > > > > > > > > > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > > > > > > > > > > before marriage and afterwards getting separated > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > > > > > > > > > > such effects does Mars has something to do with > > > > > > > > > > character of person apart from it hot qualities > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page ETry > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > > > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Hi Rohiniji,Maniv and ALL I totally agree,But you have articles about How to study those divisional charts.I am curious about that.I want to go depth in that part of astrology. It will make a matter more clearer. --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: > > Maniv, > > Your posts are very thoughtful and > thought-provoking. Thanks! > > I have seen this tendency even in experienced > players on the field of > jyotish to focus on one layer sometimes and whether > this is really > what they only looked at or it is difficult to > encapsulate their > entire thought process, much of which they are > perhaps unaware of, > into one post that could give this tendency. > > It is good of you to remind all that each divisional > is part of the > whole and a contributor, strong, or weak. The > important thing is, is > it harmonious to the other layers? One strong player > in a team may > bring about wins, but the team really does not work > as a team in that > case -- he or she might just play alone, for that > matter :-) > > Indeed, dashamsha has been undersold as a chart of > occupation. It is > simply the chart of karma, of duties, the game plan. > A strong > vimshamsha and in some cases a strong sattwic in > 10th has been shown > to be an underutilized asset -- particularly when > the total karmic > sense is being looked at. Like nuggets of gold > glittering from a pile > of cattle-droppings (don't ask me how it got > there!). Albeit, some > would be able to hold their noses and wash the gold > nuggets out of > the crap, but many will simply walk away or worse -- > cover the heap > of dung with more rubbish and soil and now one > cannot even see the > gold nuggets anymore! > > I take a strong vimshamsha (whatever that means and > that could mean > different things) as an indication of one coming > with some pre- > experience in that area. Same with a strong navamsha > (strong > experience and inherent maturity regarding > relationships and the > dharma of relationships) and a strong saptamsha with > experience in > parenting. However, the assets may or may not be > utilized or may be > expressed differently. A celibate with a good > saptamamsha may turn > out to be a great teacher, a spiritual leader with a > strong navamsha, > vimshamsha might bring spirituality into focus > through sexual > metaphors, etc. > > Blending of what is there and what will be expressed > has always been > a tough call for jyotishis (all divinators) and even > in that > dashamsha alone, the chart of karma alone is not > adequate for > deciphering that. > > This kind of multiple considerations gets confusing > beyond a certain > point for different individuals. The beauty of > astrology is that even > if one works with just one layer (rashi) they can be > effective in > helping others, even though there will be misses and > mistakes. > However, these mistakes might be fewer than one who > tries to look at > many things, beyond their capacity and ends up > confused. I know I am > digressing a bit here for this has nothing to do > with the subject at > hand, but hopefully readers will tolerate same. > > Perhaps the ancient keepers of jyotish were > pre-aware of this hence > the reference to special techniques such as > ashtakvarga for jyotishis > of Kaliyuga (as stated by Parashara). Mind you, I > have always been > intrigued by this in early days. I mean, compared to > many other > techniques, ashtakavarga is more complex and > involved in terms of > keeping all those points together and so on -- so > what was Parashara > thinking? Well, in the last 10-20 years, the scene > has changed and > computers have made it possible to do away with all > the cumbersome > calculations and true to modern fast foods and > packaged precooked > foods, the dinner is ready insofar as jyotish is > concerned! Not that > it would now not give one a big indigestion and less > than optimum > health -- just as fast food and packaged food loaded > with > preservatives! > > RR > > , "maniv78" > <maniv78> > wrote: > > > > Kadrudraji, > > > > Material 'norms' change with time and of course it > is logical that > > we replace elephants with the finest cars - that's > fairly obvious - > > but what is not clear is the impact of the change > in environmental, > > sociocultural 'norms' which are very important > influencing factors. > > That is my point. For example does an exalted > Jupiter in a Kendra > > endow one with intense spiritual inclinations if > the society in > > which he lives is 95% materialistically driven? > Surely this energy > > would be diverted to fulfill sense driven > ambitions? > > > > I have checked the Vimamsa charts (having a > powerful Vimamsa chart > > doesn't not necessarily result in a renowned > spiritualists); The > > Dasamsa or 'Mahatphalam' as Parashar called it, is > used to asses > > achievements/role in society and more important, > ones general > > direction and outer influence in life. For a Saint > this > > direction/influence would be spiritually > orientated and hence this > > should clearly show in this chart. It is not > limited to > > career/professional activities. > > > > Take a look at as many charts as you can of great > Saints and draw > > your own conclusions. > > > > Regards > > > > Maniv > > > > , > "kadrudra" > <kadrudra> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > Surely, 'norms' change with time, retaining > their main idea, > > varying > > > in applications. Otherwise dictum like > > > 'if planets exalted A,B are in 4th or 11th one > gets elephants, > > horses > > > and chariots...' would prove astrology wrong! > > > As norms change, elephants, horses and chariots > are replaced with > > > bull-dozers,trucks,buses and cars and these are > > > accepted truths. Well, its good that you checked > D-10 charts of > > > Yogis, but if I could make a suggestion, > Dashamsha > > > or D-10 chart deals with 'Materialistic' persuit > and the division > > > dealing with Spiritual success is > Vimshamsha(D-20). > > > > > > Hope you get some clues from that too, as to why > ancestors > > compared > > > nodes with Sat/Mar. > > > > > > yours humbly > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > , > "maniv78" <maniv78> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Kadji; > > > > > > > > My post was an expansion on the message that > challenged the old > > > > dictum that we are also familiar with. I do > not consider this > to > > be > > > > the only factor when assessing the impact of > the Nodes but did > > find > > > > the logic more digestible that Mars is like > Rahu and Saturn > like > > > > Ketu that Shripalji put forward. > > > > > > > > I agree that our 'ancestors' established this > principle after a > > > > level of study which we can only dream of > aspiring too; bit I > > also > > > > feel that such ambiguous theories do not > remain static and they > > may > > > > evolve with time. Centuries ago, in an > environment where the > > > > majority of the population was spiritually > inclined and the > > popular > > > > culture was Vedic, Rahu's energy of > drive/passion/desire would > > have > > > > been directed to mostly spiritual pursuits > while Ketu's energy > > may > > > > have led one astray to black magic or to > withdraw from > spiritual > > > > activities which then were the 'norm'. Ketu in > this age still > > > > withdraws one from the 'norm' but that 'norm' > has changed to > > > > materialism which may explain Ketu's spiritual > dimension. This > > is > > > by > > > > no means a rigid proposition; just a simple > suggestion as to > why > > > > this rule may have been set out as it was. > > > > > > > > I can not say with certainly that Rahu does > not lead to Moksh > > and > > > > Ketu to aggression,(many contributing > factors/energies effect > > such > > > > significations) but I have observed in the > charts of the great > > > > spiritualists (Sivananda, Swaminarayan > ,Ramkrishana etc) and > > > > religiously inclined individuals - especially > the Dasamsa - > > > > patterns that much my above statements. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > , > "kadrudra" > > <kadrudra> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > > > I do not advise to stick on to the principle > 'Rahu like > Saturn > > > and > > > > > Kethu like Mars' but I do think that it was > coined after > > > > > an extensive study of the planets, obviously > by much more > > > > experienced > > > > > ancestors and I don't think that they would > do it SIMPLY > > > > > LIKE THAT, without much study. Whether one > gets success, > > involves > > > > > many factors and not only dictums, whatever > may be the number > > > > > of charts one has looked at. Rather than > comparing shadow > > planets > > > > to > > > > > other planets, I would humbly place them > separately to > > > > > judge the chart. Otherwise, we are losing > enormous amount of > > > > > information they reveal, by themselves and > as occupants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About nodes and Sat/Mar in your post, small > doubt is - Are > you > > > > sure > > > > > Rahu does not lead to Spiritualism/Moksha? > > > > > Are you sure Kethu does not make one > attached or aggressive > > like > > > > > Mars? Or does that mean that you have not > found > > > > > success using classical dictums?..just > curious! > > > > > > > > > > yours > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > "maniv78" > > <maniv78> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I must agree with this point. I have > struggled invariably > > when > > > > > > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars > and Rahu like > > Saturn > > > > in > > > > > > my experiences with countless charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that: > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective > and seperative; > > > > > > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and > 'weird'; > > > > > > Mars makes one aggressive, active and > dynamic; > > > > > > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and > loaded with > > excessive > > > > > > desires; > > > > > > > > > > > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the > signs that signify > > > > satwic > > > > > > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ > Sagittarius) in the charts > of > > > > great > > > > > > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement > in materialistic > > signs > > > > > > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these > configurations > > clearly > > > > > > indicate its disconnection with satwic > inclinations which > is > > > > more > > > > > in > > > > > > line with nature of Mars then that of > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above > in mind would be > > that > > > > > > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars > like Rahu. Of > > course, > > > > > Mars > > > > > > does have similarities with Ketu > (technical faculties, > > > > intensity); > > > > > > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); > but they fail to > > form > > > > > > conclusive parallels when considering the > key > significations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction > to Mukund's > post, > > > > (which > > > > > > was not aimed at you initially) has > depreciated my respect > > for > > > > you > > > > > > greatly. Your response was clearly driven > by an urge to > > > > demonstrate > > > > > > your superior knowledge, qualify the > drawbacks of Islam by > > > > > > disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism > and the ego > > created > > > by > > > > > > your status as owner of this group. > > > > > > No one participating on this board is > irrational enough to > > > > believe > > > > > > that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; > general statements > > > about > > > > > > religious groups/castes/races never have > substance. However > > the > > > > > > indisputable fact remains that the > majority of terrorist > > > > activity > > > > > is > > > > > > carried out by groups that come under the > banner of Islam. > > > Maybe > > > > > > it's politically incorrect to make such > statements; but why > > > > should > > > > > > the truth not be objectively assessed? > > > > > > I realize that this is board for > discussions on Jyotish and > > > > related > > > > > > spiritualism so I apologize for > lengthening this thread. If > > you > > > > had > > > > > > warned Mukundji politely and then > subsequently ignored his > > > > reaction > > > > > > to your allegations about his character > then perhaps this > > line > > > > of > > > > > > debate could have been avoided altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > "maniv78" > > > > <maniv78> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > Shripal > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing > Jup+ Ketu gives us > > > > > > > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have > analysed several > > > > > > > > charts ,you will also find,people who > are having > > > > > > > > Jup+Sat are also spritually > inclined.Have you ever > > > > > > > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual > inclination,than Ketu > > > > > > > > like Mars holds false. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget > about myth too,know > > > > > > > > since ages astrology has changed a lot > and be > > > > > > > > practical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What > I said was > > > > > > > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic > part.If ketu is > > > > > > > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is > Bad it act like > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What > I am saying is > > > > > > > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself > in diff > > > > > > > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even > 7th aspect is > > > > > > > > not there.But they influence various > houses in > > > > > > > > chart,because bottom line they are > shadow planets.What > > > > > > > > is shadow.All materialistic things > which exists in > > > > > > > > this world we always have a shadow.So > planets squaring > > > > > > > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected > with > > > > > > > > planets,there shadows are reflected on > other > > > > > > > > house,That's how they get a good and > bad results of > > > > > > > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing > 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > > > > > > > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > > > > > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] > principle from > > > > > > > > > JAATAKA > > > > > > > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups > both the nodes > > > > > > > > > similar to SATURN > > > > > > > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs > Mrg.)]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic > nature of > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in > order to divert > > > > > > > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu > takes benefic > > > > > > > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am eager to know which text > supports the above > > > > > > > > > statement, as I have > > > > > > > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > > > > > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL > examples(charts) > > > > > > > > > with the group > > > > > > > > > using THIS principle, it would be > better understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , Shripal > > > > > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all > qualities of Rahu and > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > as individual and every word retun > is true in all > > > > > > > > > > respect.Something addition to > that.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied > soul,which are > > > > > > > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are > even known as a > > > > > > > > > Shadow > > > > > > > > > > planets.Shadow of each and > everything which exist > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a > shadow,as they are > > > > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and > Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic > nature of > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > > why is makes one suffer too > much,in order to > > > > > > > > > divert > > > > > > > > > > him towards Spirituality.while > Rahu takes benefic > > > > > > > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, > cheerful, > > > > > > > > > > affectionate, expansive, > optimistic and popular > > > > > > > > > > influence over the affairs of the > house in which > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > falls, brings out the more > positive potentials of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > sign in which it is placed, and > favours the > > > > > > > > > functions > > > > > > > > > > and energies signified by any > planets or points to > > > > > > > > > > which it forms a conjunction or > harmonious aspect > > > > > > > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing > benefit and > > > > > > > > > gains). > > > > > > > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful > influence upon, > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > brings binding, delaying or > impeding restrictions > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > obligations in relation to the > affairs of the > > > > > > > > > house it > > > > > > > > > > occupies; brings out the more > negative potentials > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the sign in which it is posited > and disfavours > > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious > aspect with it (the > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > particularly bringing losses and > troubles). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's > Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > relating to one's subconscious > Attachment vs > > > > > > > > > Conscious > > > > > > > > > > growth.Ketu represents > subconscious motivations > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > stem from the past and to which > there is an inner > > > > > > > > > > inclination to cling although they > may no longer > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > relevant or appropriate to the > individual's > > > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu > represents conscious > > > > > > > > > > motivations relevant to the > present and future, > > > > > > > > > > characterised by a desire for the > unfoldment of > > > > > > > > > > appropriate changes in personal > psychology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and > faculties > > > > > > > > > inherited > > > > > > > > > > from former incarnations or 'past > lives', while > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > > > > > > > self-development in > > > > > > > > > > the current incarnation in order > to attain > > > > > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the > successful > > > > > > > > > realisation of > > > > > > > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary > goals from this > > > > > > > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are > there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > not only one of them exist.That > too they are > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > to each other all the time and > retograting.I am > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > talking in terms of there > technical > > > > > > > > > existence.Reason > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > Ketu principles are not to be > completely > > > > > > > > > overthrown > > > > > > > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in > harmonious > > > > > > > > > balance > > > > > > > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new > growth the > > > > > > > > > reach > > > > > > > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated > struggle. > > > > > > > > > Harmonious > > > > > > > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions > to the Rahu will > > > > > > > > > > indicate relatively easy progress > along the > > > > > > > > > journey > > > > > > > > > > towards this goal, while > inharmonious aspects and > > > > > > > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate > difficulties. > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > individual will frequently, on > encountering > > > > > > > > > obstacles, > > > > > > > > > > be consciously inclined to give up > and return to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > safety of the Ketu, through > weakness of resolve > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > than through absolute force or > obligation. But as > > > > > > > > > > always with stressful aspects, the > ultimate > > > > > > > > > rewards of > > > > > > > > > > achievement can be greater and > more spiritually > > > > > > > > > > satisfying than would be attained > by an easy > > > > > > > > > passage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally > and by transit > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > progression, show the manner in > which the > > > > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be > worked out. > > > > > > > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce > forced growth; > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > those to the Ketu encourage > conditioned responses. > > > > > > > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of > interest > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual > towards the > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > and house placement of the squared > planet.It > > > > > > > > > creates a > > > > > > > > > > tension for a individual in there > growth. > > > > > > > > > Quincunxes > > > > > > > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved > notion of the > > > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring > opportunities for > > > > > > > > > > constructive growth, while trines > bring easy > > > > > > > > > > growth.That you all must be > knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article > Nodes in > > > > > > > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about > our interaction > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit > <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an > article of Rahu > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient > astrological system of > > > > > > > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major > points in natal > > > > > > > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, > especially in > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > transit movements through the > birth chart. As > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to Western astrological > systems which > > > > > > > > > tends > > > > > > > > > > > to view nodes as favourable > influences, Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as > malefic forces, > > > > > > > > > > > responsible for chronic > diseases, loss, > > > > > > > > > sufferings, > > > > > > > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and > other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a > strong tendency > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > view the lunar nodes as > something to do with > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's > of one past > > > > > > > > > lives. In > > > > > > > > > > > this view, popularized by such > authors as Martin > > > > > > > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology > series, the north > > > > > > > > > nde > > > > > > > > > > > represents what we should be > striving towards in > > > > > > > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic > goal for us to > > > > > > > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed > as the past that > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold > onto. > > > > > > > > > Proponents of > > > > > > > > > > > this view contend, that by > looking at the sign > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > house placements of the nodes, > one's karmic past > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. > Curiously nodes are > > > > > > > > > > > given rather strong importance > in natal chart > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom > looked at closely > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > transit analysis of the here and > now of one's > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and > Cosmobiological system of > > > > > > > > > > > Germany, the nodes are > interpreted as having a > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > to do with interpersonal > relationships, rather > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of > the Uranian > > > > > > > > > > > astrological system strongly > propounded this > > > > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key > in determining > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > social the person was and, as > opposed to the > > > > > > > > > > > American view, looked in at the > transit > > > > > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other > planet would > > > > > > > > > > > indicate where and what nature > one's > > > > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, > however, while the > > > > > > > > > > > nodes may have something to do > with one's karma > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > may involve relationships with > others, they are > > > > > > > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic > influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of > origin of Rahu > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu > occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed > to taste and > > > > > > > > > swallow > > > > > > > > > > > the amrita just before the > dismemberment and > > > > > > > > > > > therefore was unable to be > killed. Because of > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists > eternally in > > > > > > > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by > sun and moon, > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those > 2 planets, > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon > during solar and > > > > > > > > > lunar > > > > > > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the > origin or story of > > > > > > > > > rahu , > > > > > > > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar > as it was able to > > > > > > > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only > temporarily. In > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, > rahu has rulership > > > > > > > > > > > over con artists, liars, > illusions and cheats, > > > > > > > > > Since > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only the head and part > of the body of an > > > > > > > > > > > immortal demon it is always > constantly hungy, > > > > > > > > > > > whatever food eaten never > reaches the whole body > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And > because of this > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable > material desires . > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > matter how much it gets it > always wants more and > > > > > > > > > > > because of this rahu is closely > associated with > > > > > > > > > > > addictions and > obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > > > > > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules > poisons, drugs, > > > > > > > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive > gambling, sex > > > > > > > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. > Rahu also rules > > > > > > > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational > fears. Because > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it > also has domain > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > sufferings in general, > especially chronic > > > > > > > > > diseases > > > > > > > > > > > and events that are sudden and > seem fated and > > > > > > > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to > impersonate a > > > > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > > > > > at a considerable risk to > itself( a gamble which > > > > > > > > > > > eventually was lost by demon > body leading to > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated > with reckless > > > > > > > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. > Rahu can make > > > > > > > > > > > people do things they otherwise > would not by > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > them throw caution to wind and > thinking that > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned > from the vedic myth > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always > temporary. In the > > > > > > > > > myth > > > > > > > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods > for a while, but > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > found at the end and suffered > for it. Likewise, > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu > may give > > > > > > > > > material > > > > > > > > > > > success, drive, fame and > ambition, but these > > > > > > > > > gifts > > > > > > > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It > is a virtual > > > > > > > > > axiom in > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained > with rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > influence will eventually > flitter away and be > > > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu > teaches is this : > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > can't take it with you .The > moment you think > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > you have attained lasting > success > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly > the moment when > > > > > > > > > > > rahu will take away that > success, leaving you > > > > > > > > > hungry > > > > > > > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot > have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of > rahu called as > > > > > > > > > dragon's > > > > > > > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is > exact opposite of > > > > > > > > > rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality > and materialism > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and > non-materiality. > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > this respect ketu acts like > Neptune. But ketu's > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy > price tag. It is > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu > brings spirituality > > > > > > > > > onto > > > > > > > > > > > people by making them suffer. It > is almost as if > > > > > > > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a > person's life, > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to > divine for help > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and > non-material, > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > influence creates denial and > sometimes > > > > > > > > > abandonment. > > > > > > > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu > closely conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the > mother will > > > > > > > > > > > typically report that their > mother was > > > > > > > > > emotionally > > > > > > > > > > > or physically unavailable when > the person was > > > > > > > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very > mystic, occult, > > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also > bring with it > > > > > > > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and > abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be > aware of with ketu > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > that it rules diseases of > unknown origin (like > > > > > > > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, > parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > > > > > > > > disease that can get > misdiagonised or mistreated > > > > > > > > > > > this is because of ketu's > hidden, mysterious > > > > > > > > > > > quality. It can be most > insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given > above I would also > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > to mention certain more points > on the nodes > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > come across while studying > different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also > mentioned in the > > > > > > > > > article > > > > > > > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are > unsatisfied nodes. > > > > > > > > > E.g > > > > > > > > > > > for this I would like to mention > here is that I > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > working as an astrologer with a > very reputed > > > > > > > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was > filthy rich and > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > having all materialistic > pleasures of life he > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his > age is near about > > > > > > > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain > about having > > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfied physical > relationship with his > > > > > > > > > wife, he > > > > > > > > > > > felt still there is something > lacking to make > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > more popular world wide, he had > past broken > > > > > > > > > affair > > > > > > > > > > > and at this age too he was > longing a > > > > > > > > > companionship > > > > > > > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was > seen that his was > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and > ketu- guru in > > > > > > > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him > disturbed or > > > > > > > > > broken > > > > > > > > > > > marriage life he is still with > wife may be due > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could > be saving point > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > his marital life (here I want > group member to > > > > > > > > > > > discuss what would have made him > save his > > > > > > > > > marriage) > > > > > > > > > > > but he has grudges against his > wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have > seen is Mars and > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in > horoscopes > > > > > > > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) > have given those > > > > > > > > > > > native questionable characters > and sometimes > > > > > > > > > even to > > > > > > > > > > > the extent of satisfying their > physical desires > > > > > > > > > > > before marriage and afterwards > getting separated > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary > combinations gives > > > > > > > > > > > such effects does Mars has > something to do with > > > > > > > > > > > character of person apart from > it hot qualities > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful > energy drives > > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or > discussion from Rupji > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one > personal page ETry > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > > > > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 RohiniJi Thank you for your positive comments; they are very encouraging coming from an experienced `pro' to an enthusiastic amateur like myself. I was expressing an opinion on the nature of the nodes and discussions of this genre tend to require a focus on specific layers for the sake of simplicity. It would be great if we could keep all factors constant and change one variable (e.g in this case the house/sign placement of Rahu-Ketu) and then asses the extent of the impact on certain tendencies. This is, of course, a rare luxury (unless you have access to the charts of twins or individuals born within a few seconds/minutes of each other) so we have to resort to assumptions based on theories devised thousands of years ago. I selected the Dasamsa chart to emphasise my viewpoint - not as the only contributing factor - but alongside the Rasi chart. My take on the Vimshamsha is that a powerful D-20 would act as an important prerequisite for spiritual practice, but without supportive indicators in the Rasi and D-10 the subject would not take the path that would leave strong `karmic' footprints in religious history. In a nutshell his impact on the outer world would be minimal and he may fail to fulfil his spiritual potential.. I fully agree that blending in indications from various divisionals as well as the Rasi and Chandra Lagna charts is a skill that is extremely difficult to master. Add to this the countless other factors such as Nakshtarta, Aruda/Ghati Lagna influences then we have a serious case of asymmetric information, which as you said, confuses more then enlightens. Diving to deep into the divisionals can also dampen our predictions due to the potential uncertainty of birthtime, so maybe its a wise move to stick to paddling on the surface of them gently............... Expert astrologers with years of experience and the intuition that comes with it; that are adept in birth time rectification; can probably manipulate all the available tools to great effect - but then I have seen instances where applying the most basic of principles in a logical and structured manner and combining this with the background of the individual achieve similar results. Regards Maniv , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > Maniv, > > Your posts are very thoughtful and thought-provoking. Thanks! > > I have seen this tendency even in experienced players on the field of > jyotish to focus on one layer sometimes and whether this is really > what they only looked at or it is difficult to encapsulate their > entire thought process, much of which they are perhaps unaware of, > into one post that could give this tendency. > > It is good of you to remind all that each divisional is part of the > whole and a contributor, strong, or weak. The important thing is, is > it harmonious to the other layers? One strong player in a team may > bring about wins, but the team really does not work as a team in that > case -- he or she might just play alone, for that matter :-) > > Indeed, dashamsha has been undersold as a chart of occupation. It is > simply the chart of karma, of duties, the game plan. A strong > vimshamsha and in some cases a strong sattwic in 10th has been shown > to be an underutilized asset -- particularly when the total karmic > sense is being looked at. Like nuggets of gold glittering from a pile > of cattle-droppings (don't ask me how it got there!). Albeit, some > would be able to hold their noses and wash the gold nuggets out of > the crap, but many will simply walk away or worse -- cover the heap > of dung with more rubbish and soil and now one cannot even see the > gold nuggets anymore! > > I take a strong vimshamsha (whatever that means and that could mean > different things) as an indication of one coming with some pre- > experience in that area. Same with a strong navamsha (strong > experience and inherent maturity regarding relationships and the > dharma of relationships) and a strong saptamsha with experience in > parenting. However, the assets may or may not be utilized or may be > expressed differently. A celibate with a good saptamamsha may turn > out to be a great teacher, a spiritual leader with a strong navamsha, > vimshamsha might bring spirituality into focus through sexual > metaphors, etc. > > Blending of what is there and what will be expressed has always been > a tough call for jyotishis (all divinators) and even in that > dashamsha alone, the chart of karma alone is not adequate for > deciphering that. > > This kind of multiple considerations gets confusing beyond a certain > point for different individuals. The beauty of astrology is that even > if one works with just one layer (rashi) they can be effective in > helping others, even though there will be misses and mistakes. > However, these mistakes might be fewer than one who tries to look at > many things, beyond their capacity and ends up confused. I know I am > digressing a bit here for this has nothing to do with the subject at > hand, but hopefully readers will tolerate same. > > Perhaps the ancient keepers of jyotish were pre-aware of this hence > the reference to special techniques such as ashtakvarga for jyotishis > of Kaliyuga (as stated by Parashara). Mind you, I have always been > intrigued by this in early days. I mean, compared to many other > techniques, ashtakavarga is more complex and involved in terms of > keeping all those points together and so on -- so what was Parashara > thinking? Well, in the last 10-20 years, the scene has changed and > computers have made it possible to do away with all the cumbersome > calculations and true to modern fast foods and packaged precooked > foods, the dinner is ready insofar as jyotish is concerned! Not that > it would now not give one a big indigestion and less than optimum > health -- just as fast food and packaged food loaded with > preservatives! > > RR > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > wrote: > > > > Kadrudraji, > > > > Material 'norms' change with time and of course it is logical that > > we replace elephants with the finest cars - that's fairly obvious - > > but what is not clear is the impact of the change in environmental, > > sociocultural 'norms' which are very important influencing factors. > > That is my point. For example does an exalted Jupiter in a Kendra > > endow one with intense spiritual inclinations if the society in > > which he lives is 95% materialistically driven? Surely this energy > > would be diverted to fulfill sense driven ambitions? > > > > I have checked the Vimamsa charts (having a powerful Vimamsa chart > > doesn't not necessarily result in a renowned spiritualists); The > > Dasamsa or 'Mahatphalam' as Parashar called it, is used to asses > > achievements/role in society and more important, ones general > > direction and outer influence in life. For a Saint this > > direction/influence would be spiritually orientated and hence this > > should clearly show in this chart. It is not limited to > > career/professional activities. > > > > Take a look at as many charts as you can of great Saints and draw > > your own conclusions. > > > > Regards > > > > Maniv > > > > , "kadrudra" > <kadrudra> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > Surely, 'norms' change with time, retaining their main idea, > > varying > > > in applications. Otherwise dictum like > > > 'if planets exalted A,B are in 4th or 11th one gets elephants, > > horses > > > and chariots...' would prove astrology wrong! > > > As norms change, elephants, horses and chariots are replaced with > > > bull-dozers,trucks,buses and cars and these are > > > accepted truths. Well, its good that you checked D-10 charts of > > > Yogis, but if I could make a suggestion, Dashamsha > > > or D-10 chart deals with 'Materialistic' persuit and the division > > > dealing with Spiritual success is Vimshamsha(D-20). > > > > > > Hope you get some clues from that too, as to why ancestors > > compared > > > nodes with Sat/Mar. > > > > > > yours humbly > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Kadji; > > > > > > > > My post was an expansion on the message that challenged the old > > > > dictum that we are also familiar with. I do not consider this > to > > be > > > > the only factor when assessing the impact of the Nodes but did > > find > > > > the logic more digestible that Mars is like Rahu and Saturn > like > > > > Ketu that Shripalji put forward. > > > > > > > > I agree that our 'ancestors' established this principle after a > > > > level of study which we can only dream of aspiring too; bit I > > also > > > > feel that such ambiguous theories do not remain static and they > > may > > > > evolve with time. Centuries ago, in an environment where the > > > > majority of the population was spiritually inclined and the > > popular > > > > culture was Vedic, Rahu's energy of drive/passion/desire would > > have > > > > been directed to mostly spiritual pursuits while Ketu's energy > > may > > > > have led one astray to black magic or to withdraw from > spiritual > > > > activities which then were the 'norm'. Ketu in this age still > > > > withdraws one from the 'norm' but that 'norm' has changed to > > > > materialism which may explain Ketu's spiritual dimension. This > > is > > > by > > > > no means a rigid proposition; just a simple suggestion as to > why > > > > this rule may have been set out as it was. > > > > > > > > I can not say with certainly that Rahu does not lead to Moksh > > and > > > > Ketu to aggression,(many contributing factors/energies effect > > such > > > > significations) but I have observed in the charts of the great > > > > spiritualists (Sivananda, Swaminarayan ,Ramkrishana etc) and > > > > religiously inclined individuals - especially the Dasamsa - > > > > patterns that much my above statements. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > , "kadrudra" > > <kadrudra> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > > > I do not advise to stick on to the principle 'Rahu like > Saturn > > > and > > > > > Kethu like Mars' but I do think that it was coined after > > > > > an extensive study of the planets, obviously by much more > > > > experienced > > > > > ancestors and I don't think that they would do it SIMPLY > > > > > LIKE THAT, without much study. Whether one gets success, > > involves > > > > > many factors and not only dictums, whatever may be the number > > > > > of charts one has looked at. Rather than comparing shadow > > planets > > > > to > > > > > other planets, I would humbly place them separately to > > > > > judge the chart. Otherwise, we are losing enormous amount of > > > > > information they reveal, by themselves and as occupants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About nodes and Sat/Mar in your post, small doubt is - Are > you > > > > sure > > > > > Rahu does not lead to Spiritualism/Moksha? > > > > > Are you sure Kethu does not make one attached or aggressive > > like > > > > > Mars? Or does that mean that you have not found > > > > > success using classical dictums?..just curious! > > > > > > > > > > yours > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" > > <maniv78> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I must agree with this point. I have struggled invariably > > when > > > > > > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars and Rahu like > > Saturn > > > > in > > > > > > my experiences with countless charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that: > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective and seperative; > > > > > > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and 'weird'; > > > > > > Mars makes one aggressive, active and dynamic; > > > > > > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and loaded with > > excessive > > > > > > desires; > > > > > > > > > > > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the signs that signify > > > > satwic > > > > > > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) in the charts > of > > > > great > > > > > > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in materialistic > > signs > > > > > > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these configurations > > clearly > > > > > > indicate its disconnection with satwic inclinations which > is > > > > more > > > > > in > > > > > > line with nature of Mars then that of Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above in mind would be > > that > > > > > > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars like Rahu. Of > > course, > > > > > Mars > > > > > > does have similarities with Ketu (technical faculties, > > > > intensity); > > > > > > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); but they fail to > > form > > > > > > conclusive parallels when considering the key > significations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction to Mukund's > post, > > > > (which > > > > > > was not aimed at you initially) has depreciated my respect > > for > > > > you > > > > > > greatly. Your response was clearly driven by an urge to > > > > demonstrate > > > > > > your superior knowledge, qualify the drawbacks of Islam by > > > > > > disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism and the ego > > created > > > by > > > > > > your status as owner of this group. > > > > > > No one participating on this board is irrational enough to > > > > believe > > > > > > that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; general statements > > > about > > > > > > religious groups/castes/races never have substance. However > > the > > > > > > indisputable fact remains that the majority of terrorist > > > > activity > > > > > is > > > > > > carried out by groups that come under the banner of Islam. > > > Maybe > > > > > > it's politically incorrect to make such statements; but why > > > > should > > > > > > the truth not be objectively assessed? > > > > > > I realize that this is board for discussions on Jyotish and > > > > related > > > > > > spiritualism so I apologize for lengthening this thread. If > > you > > > > had > > > > > > warned Mukundji politely and then subsequently ignored his > > > > reaction > > > > > > to your allegations about his character then perhaps this > > line > > > > of > > > > > > debate could have been avoided altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" > > > > <maniv78> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ Ketu gives us > > > > > > > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have analysed several > > > > > > > > charts ,you will also find,people who are having > > > > > > > > Jup+Sat are also spritually inclined.Have you ever > > > > > > > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual inclination,than Ketu > > > > > > > > like Mars holds false. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget about myth too,know > > > > > > > > since ages astrology has changed a lot and be > > > > > > > > practical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I said was > > > > > > > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic part.If ketu is > > > > > > > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is Bad it act like > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I am saying is > > > > > > > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in diff > > > > > > > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even 7th aspect is > > > > > > > > not there.But they influence various houses in > > > > > > > > chart,because bottom line they are shadow planets.What > > > > > > > > is shadow.All materialistic things which exists in > > > > > > > > this world we always have a shadow.So planets squaring > > > > > > > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected with > > > > > > > > planets,there shadows are reflected on other > > > > > > > > house,That's how they get a good and bad results of > > > > > > > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > > > > > > > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > > > > > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] principle from > > > > > > > > > JAATAKA > > > > > > > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups both the nodes > > > > > > > > > similar to SATURN > > > > > > > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs Mrg.)]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert > > > > > > > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > > > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am eager to know which text supports the above > > > > > > > > > statement, as I have > > > > > > > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > > > > > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL examples(charts) > > > > > > > > > with the group > > > > > > > > > using THIS principle, it would be better understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > > > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > as individual and every word retun is true in all > > > > > > > > > > respect.Something addition to that.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are > > > > > > > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a > > > > > > > > > Shadow > > > > > > > > > > planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are > > > > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > > > > > > > > > divert > > > > > > > > > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > > > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > > > > > > > > > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > > > > > > > > > > influence over the affairs of the house in which > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > falls, brings out the more positive potentials of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > sign in which it is placed, and favours the > > > > > > > > > functions > > > > > > > > > > and energies signified by any planets or points to > > > > > > > > > > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect > > > > > > > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and > > > > > > > > > gains). > > > > > > > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > obligations in relation to the affairs of the > > > > > > > > > house it > > > > > > > > > > occupies; brings out the more negative potentials > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours > > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs > > > > > > > > > Conscious > > > > > > > > > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > stem from the past and to which there is an inner > > > > > > > > > > inclination to cling although they may no longer > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > relevant or appropriate to the individual's > > > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious > > > > > > > > > > motivations relevant to the present and future, > > > > > > > > > > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > > > > > > > > > > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties > > > > > > > > > inherited > > > > > > > > > > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > > > > > > > self-development in > > > > > > > > > > the current incarnation in order to attain > > > > > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the successful > > > > > > > > > realisation of > > > > > > > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > > > > > > > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > not only one of them exist.That too they are > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > to each other all the time and retograting.I am > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > talking in terms of there technical > > > > > > > > > existence.Reason > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > Ketu principles are not to be completely > > > > > > > > > overthrown > > > > > > > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious > > > > > > > > > balance > > > > > > > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the > > > > > > > > > reach > > > > > > > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. > > > > > > > > > Harmonious > > > > > > > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will > > > > > > > > > > indicate relatively easy progress along the > > > > > > > > > journey > > > > > > > > > > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and > > > > > > > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > individual will frequently, on encountering > > > > > > > > > obstacles, > > > > > > > > > > be consciously inclined to give up and return to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > than through absolute force or obligation. But as > > > > > > > > > > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate > > > > > > > > > rewards of > > > > > > > > > > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > > > > > > > > > > satisfying than would be attained by an easy > > > > > > > > > passage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > progression, show the manner in which the > > > > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > > > > > > > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. > > > > > > > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > and house placement of the squared planet.It > > > > > > > > > creates a > > > > > > > > > > tension for a individual in there growth. > > > > > > > > > Quincunxes > > > > > > > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the > > > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for > > > > > > > > > > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > > > > > > > > > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > > > > > > > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > > > > > > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > > > > > > > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to Western astrological systems which > > > > > > > > > tends > > > > > > > > > > > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > > > > > > > > > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, > > > > > > > > > sufferings, > > > > > > > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of one past > > > > > > > > > lives. In > > > > > > > > > > > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > > > > > > > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north > > > > > > > > > nde > > > > > > > > > > > represents what we should be striving towards in > > > > > > > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > > > > > > > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. > > > > > > > > > Proponents of > > > > > > > > > > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > house placements of the nodes, one's karmic past > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > > > > > > > > > > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > transit analysis of the here and now of one's > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > > > > > > > > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > > > > > > > > > > astrological system strongly propounded this > > > > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > > > > > > > > > > American view, looked in at the transit > > > > > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > > > > > > > > > > indicate where and what nature one's > > > > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > > > > > > > > > > > nodes may have something to do with one's karma > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > may involve relationships with others, they are > > > > > > > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and > > > > > > > > > swallow > > > > > > > > > > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > > > > > > > > > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > > > > > > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun and moon, > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and > > > > > > > > > lunar > > > > > > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of > > > > > > > > > rahu , > > > > > > > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > > > > > > > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > > > > > > > > > > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, > > > > > > > > > Since > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > > > > > > > > > > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > > > > > > > > > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > > > > > > > > > > > because of this rahu is closely associated with > > > > > > > > > > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > > > > > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > > > > > > > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > > > > > > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > > > > > > > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > sufferings in general, especially chronic > > > > > > > > > diseases > > > > > > > > > > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > > > > > > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a > > > > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > > > > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > > > > > > > > > > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > > > > > > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > > > > > > > > > > people do things they otherwise would not by > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always temporary. In the > > > > > > > > > myth > > > > > > > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may give > > > > > > > > > material > > > > > > > > > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these > > > > > > > > > gifts > > > > > > > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual > > > > > > > > > axiom in > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > influence will eventually flitter away and be > > > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > can't take it with you .The moment you think > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > > > > > > > > > > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you > > > > > > > > > hungry > > > > > > > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as > > > > > > > > > dragon's > > > > > > > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of > > > > > > > > > rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu's > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality > > > > > > > > > onto > > > > > > > > > > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > > > > > > > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a person's life, > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > influence creates denial and sometimes > > > > > > > > > abandonment. > > > > > > > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > > > > > > > > > > typically report that their mother was > > > > > > > > > emotionally > > > > > > > > > > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > > > > > > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, > > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > > > > > > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > > > > > > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's etc.,) or > > > > > > > > > > > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > > > > > > > > > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, mysterious > > > > > > > > > > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > to mention certain more points on the nodes > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the > > > > > > > > > article > > > > > > > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. > > > > > > > > > E.g > > > > > > > > > > > for this I would like to mention here is that I > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > > > > > > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > > > > > > > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his > > > > > > > > > wife, he > > > > > > > > > > > felt still there is something lacking to make > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > more popular world wide, he had past broken > > > > > > > > > affair > > > > > > > > > > > and at this age too he was longing a > > > > > > > > > companionship > > > > > > > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > > > > > > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or > > > > > > > > > broken > > > > > > > > > > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > > > > > > > > > > discuss what would have made him save his > > > > > > > > > marriage) > > > > > > > > > > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > > > > > > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > > > > > > > > > > > native questionable characters and sometimes > > > > > > > > > even to > > > > > > > > > > > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > > > > > > > > > > > before marriage and afterwards getting separated > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > > > > > > > > > > > such effects does Mars has something to do with > > > > > > > > > > > character of person apart from it hot qualities > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives > > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page ETry > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > > > > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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