Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Dear Maniv, My intention in asking you to explain a practical example was not to test you or your belief. Nor am I discouraging anyone. I found some link between your posts and the classical KondanDa Rahu theory as I wrote previously. From your reply, I could not get any clues I was looking for. Anyway, if KodanDa Rahu theory (ref classical works) helps your analyses of nodes, please keep the group informed. About D-10 and D-20 and spirituality layers, I would go for D-20(plus others like D-9, D-24 etc) and I have found that in vogue to analyse successfully. It does not mean D-10 is totally irrelevant for a native nor D-1! If you have found it better with D-10 than D-20, GOOD! As I believe, however accurate is chart/analyses, success depends on something else - TRANSIENT switching between LAYERS. You are free to neglect this post, if you find it discouraging. Yours KAD , "maniv78" <maniv78> wrote: > > RohiniJi > > > Thank you for your positive comments; they are very encouraging > coming from an experienced `pro' to an enthusiastic amateur like > myself. > > I was expressing an opinion on the nature of the nodes and > discussions of this genre tend to require a focus on specific layers > for the sake of simplicity. It would be great if we could keep all > factors constant and change one variable (e.g in this case the > house/sign placement of Rahu-Ketu) and then asses the extent of the > impact on certain tendencies. This is, of course, a rare luxury > (unless you have access to the charts of twins or individuals born > within a few seconds/minutes of each other) so we have to resort to > assumptions based on theories devised thousands of years ago. > > I selected the Dasamsa chart to emphasise my viewpoint - not as the > only contributing factor - but alongside the Rasi chart. My take on > the Vimshamsha is that a powerful D-20 would act as an important > prerequisite for spiritual practice, but without supportive > indicators in the Rasi and D-10 the subject would not take the path > that would leave strong `karmic' footprints in religious history. In > a nutshell his impact on the outer world would be minimal and he may > fail to fulfil his spiritual potential.. > > I fully agree that blending in indications from various divisionals > as well as the Rasi and Chandra Lagna charts is a skill that is > extremely difficult to master. Add to this the countless other > factors such as Nakshtarta, Aruda/Ghati Lagna influences then we > have a serious case of asymmetric information, which as you said, > confuses more then enlightens. Diving to deep into the divisionals > can also dampen our predictions due to the potential uncertainty of > birthtime, so maybe its a wise move to stick to paddling on the > surface of them gently............... > > Expert astrologers with years of experience and the intuition that > comes with it; that are adept in birth time rectification; can > probably manipulate all the available tools to great effect - but > then I have seen instances where applying the most basic of > principles in a logical and structured manner and combining this > with the background of the individual achieve similar results. > > Regards > > Maniv > > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > > > Maniv, > > > > Your posts are very thoughtful and thought-provoking. Thanks! > > > > I have seen this tendency even in experienced players on the field > of > > jyotish to focus on one layer sometimes and whether this is really > > what they only looked at or it is difficult to encapsulate their > > entire thought process, much of which they are perhaps unaware of, > > into one post that could give this tendency. > > > > It is good of you to remind all that each divisional is part of > the > > whole and a contributor, strong, or weak. The important thing is, > is > > it harmonious to the other layers? One strong player in a team may > > bring about wins, but the team really does not work as a team in > that > > case -- he or she might just play alone, for that matter :-) > > > > Indeed, dashamsha has been undersold as a chart of occupation. It > is > > simply the chart of karma, of duties, the game plan. A strong > > vimshamsha and in some cases a strong sattwic in 10th has been > shown > > to be an underutilized asset -- particularly when the total karmic > > sense is being looked at. Like nuggets of gold glittering from a > pile > > of cattle-droppings (don't ask me how it got there!). Albeit, some > > would be able to hold their noses and wash the gold nuggets out of > > the crap, but many will simply walk away or worse -- cover the > heap > > of dung with more rubbish and soil and now one cannot even see the > > gold nuggets anymore! > > > > I take a strong vimshamsha (whatever that means and that could > mean > > different things) as an indication of one coming with some pre- > > experience in that area. Same with a strong navamsha (strong > > experience and inherent maturity regarding relationships and the > > dharma of relationships) and a strong saptamsha with experience in > > parenting. However, the assets may or may not be utilized or may > be > > expressed differently. A celibate with a good saptamamsha may turn > > out to be a great teacher, a spiritual leader with a strong > navamsha, > > vimshamsha might bring spirituality into focus through sexual > > metaphors, etc. > > > > Blending of what is there and what will be expressed has always > been > > a tough call for jyotishis (all divinators) and even in that > > dashamsha alone, the chart of karma alone is not adequate for > > deciphering that. > > > > This kind of multiple considerations gets confusing beyond a > certain > > point for different individuals. The beauty of astrology is that > even > > if one works with just one layer (rashi) they can be effective in > > helping others, even though there will be misses and mistakes. > > However, these mistakes might be fewer than one who tries to look > at > > many things, beyond their capacity and ends up confused. I know I > am > > digressing a bit here for this has nothing to do with the subject > at > > hand, but hopefully readers will tolerate same. > > > > Perhaps the ancient keepers of jyotish were pre-aware of this > hence > > the reference to special techniques such as ashtakvarga for > jyotishis > > of Kaliyuga (as stated by Parashara). Mind you, I have always been > > intrigued by this in early days. I mean, compared to many other > > techniques, ashtakavarga is more complex and involved in terms of > > keeping all those points together and so on -- so what was > Parashara > > thinking? Well, in the last 10-20 years, the scene has changed and > > computers have made it possible to do away with all the cumbersome > > calculations and true to modern fast foods and packaged precooked > > foods, the dinner is ready insofar as jyotish is concerned! Not > that > > it would now not give one a big indigestion and less than optimum > > health -- just as fast food and packaged food loaded with > > preservatives! > > > > RR > > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > > wrote: > > > > > > Kadrudraji, > > > > > > Material 'norms' change with time and of course it is logical > that > > > we replace elephants with the finest cars - that's fairly > obvious - > > > but what is not clear is the impact of the change in > environmental, > > > sociocultural 'norms' which are very important influencing > factors. > > > That is my point. For example does an exalted Jupiter in a > Kendra > > > endow one with intense spiritual inclinations if the society in > > > which he lives is 95% materialistically driven? Surely this > energy > > > would be diverted to fulfill sense driven ambitions? > > > > > > I have checked the Vimamsa charts (having a powerful Vimamsa > chart > > > doesn't not necessarily result in a renowned spiritualists); The > > > Dasamsa or 'Mahatphalam' as Parashar called it, is used to asses > > > achievements/role in society and more important, ones general > > > direction and outer influence in life. For a Saint this > > > direction/influence would be spiritually orientated and hence > this > > > should clearly show in this chart. It is not limited to > > > career/professional activities. > > > > > > Take a look at as many charts as you can of great Saints and > draw > > > your own conclusions. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > , "kadrudra" > > <kadrudra> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > Surely, 'norms' change with time, retaining their main idea, > > > varying > > > > in applications. Otherwise dictum like > > > > 'if planets exalted A,B are in 4th or 11th one gets elephants, > > > horses > > > > and chariots...' would prove astrology wrong! > > > > As norms change, elephants, horses and chariots are replaced > with > > > > bull-dozers,trucks,buses and cars and these are > > > > accepted truths. Well, its good that you checked D-10 charts > of > > > > Yogis, but if I could make a suggestion, Dashamsha > > > > or D-10 chart deals with 'Materialistic' persuit and the > division > > > > dealing with Spiritual success is Vimshamsha(D-20). > > > > > > > > Hope you get some clues from that too, as to why ancestors > > > compared > > > > nodes with Sat/Mar. > > > > > > > > yours humbly > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" > <maniv78> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kadji; > > > > > > > > > > My post was an expansion on the message that challenged the > old > > > > > dictum that we are also familiar with. I do not consider > this > > to > > > be > > > > > the only factor when assessing the impact of the Nodes but > did > > > find > > > > > the logic more digestible that Mars is like Rahu and Saturn > > like > > > > > Ketu that Shripalji put forward. > > > > > > > > > > I agree that our 'ancestors' established this principle > after a > > > > > level of study which we can only dream of aspiring too; bit > I > > > also > > > > > feel that such ambiguous theories do not remain static and > they > > > may > > > > > evolve with time. Centuries ago, in an environment where the > > > > > majority of the population was spiritually inclined and the > > > popular > > > > > culture was Vedic, Rahu's energy of drive/passion/desire > would > > > have > > > > > been directed to mostly spiritual pursuits while Ketu's > energy > > > may > > > > > have led one astray to black magic or to withdraw from > > spiritual > > > > > activities which then were the 'norm'. Ketu in this age > still > > > > > withdraws one from the 'norm' but that 'norm' has changed to > > > > > materialism which may explain Ketu's spiritual dimension. > This > > > is > > > > by > > > > > no means a rigid proposition; just a simple suggestion as to > > why > > > > > this rule may have been set out as it was. > > > > > > > > > > I can not say with certainly that Rahu does not lead to > Moksh > > > and > > > > > Ketu to aggression,(many contributing factors/energies > effect > > > such > > > > > significations) but I have observed in the charts of the > great > > > > > spiritualists (Sivananda, Swaminarayan ,Ramkrishana etc) and > > > > > religiously inclined individuals - especially the Dasamsa - > > > > > patterns that much my above statements. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > , "kadrudra" > > > <kadrudra> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not advise to stick on to the principle 'Rahu like > > Saturn > > > > and > > > > > > Kethu like Mars' but I do think that it was coined after > > > > > > an extensive study of the planets, obviously by much more > > > > > experienced > > > > > > ancestors and I don't think that they would do it SIMPLY > > > > > > LIKE THAT, without much study. Whether one gets success, > > > involves > > > > > > many factors and not only dictums, whatever may be the > number > > > > > > of charts one has looked at. Rather than comparing shadow > > > planets > > > > > to > > > > > > other planets, I would humbly place them separately to > > > > > > judge the chart. Otherwise, we are losing enormous amount > of > > > > > > information they reveal, by themselves and as occupants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About nodes and Sat/Mar in your post, small doubt is - Are > > you > > > > > sure > > > > > > Rahu does not lead to Spiritualism/Moksha? > > > > > > Are you sure Kethu does not make one attached or > aggressive > > > like > > > > > > Mars? Or does that mean that you have not found > > > > > > success using classical dictums?..just curious! > > > > > > > > > > > > yours > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" > > > <maniv78> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I must agree with this point. I have struggled > invariably > > > when > > > > > > > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars and Rahu like > > > Saturn > > > > > in > > > > > > > my experiences with countless charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective and seperative; > > > > > > > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and 'weird'; > > > > > > > Mars makes one aggressive, active and dynamic; > > > > > > > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and loaded with > > > excessive > > > > > > > desires; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the signs that > signify > > > > > satwic > > > > > > > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) in the > charts > > of > > > > > great > > > > > > > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in > materialistic > > > signs > > > > > > > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these configurations > > > clearly > > > > > > > indicate its disconnection with satwic inclinations > which > > is > > > > > more > > > > > > in > > > > > > > line with nature of Mars then that of Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above in mind would > be > > > that > > > > > > > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars like Rahu. Of > > > course, > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > does have similarities with Ketu (technical faculties, > > > > > intensity); > > > > > > > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); but they fail > to > > > form > > > > > > > conclusive parallels when considering the key > > significations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction to Mukund's > > post, > > > > > (which > > > > > > > was not aimed at you initially) has depreciated my > respect > > > for > > > > > you > > > > > > > greatly. Your response was clearly driven by an urge to > > > > > demonstrate > > > > > > > your superior knowledge, qualify the drawbacks of Islam > by > > > > > > > disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism and the ego > > > created > > > > by > > > > > > > your status as owner of this group. > > > > > > > No one participating on this board is irrational enough > to > > > > > believe > > > > > > > that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; general > statements > > > > about > > > > > > > religious groups/castes/races never have substance. > However > > > the > > > > > > > indisputable fact remains that the majority of terrorist > > > > > activity > > > > > > is > > > > > > > carried out by groups that come under the banner of > Islam. > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > it's politically incorrect to make such statements; but > why > > > > > should > > > > > > > the truth not be objectively assessed? > > > > > > > I realize that this is board for discussions on Jyotish > and > > > > > related > > > > > > > spiritualism so I apologize for lengthening this thread. > If > > > you > > > > > had > > > > > > > warned Mukundji politely and then subsequently ignored > his > > > > > reaction > > > > > > > to your allegations about his character then perhaps > this > > > line > > > > > of > > > > > > > debate could have been avoided altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" > > > > > <maniv78> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ Ketu gives us > > > > > > > > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have analysed several > > > > > > > > > charts ,you will also find,people who are having > > > > > > > > > Jup+Sat are also spritually inclined.Have you ever > > > > > > > > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual inclination,than > Ketu > > > > > > > > > like Mars holds false. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget about myth > too,know > > > > > > > > > since ages astrology has changed a lot and be > > > > > > > > > practical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I said was > > > > > > > > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic part.If ketu is > > > > > > > > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is Bad it act like > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I am saying is > > > > > > > > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in diff > > > > > > > > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even 7th aspect is > > > > > > > > > not there.But they influence various houses in > > > > > > > > > chart,because bottom line they are shadow > planets.What > > > > > > > > > is shadow.All materialistic things which exists in > > > > > > > > > this world we always have a shadow.So planets > squaring > > > > > > > > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected with > > > > > > > > > planets,there shadows are reflected on other > > > > > > > > > house,That's how they get a good and bad results of > > > > > > > > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > > > > > > > > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > > > > > > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] principle from > > > > > > > > > > JAATAKA > > > > > > > > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups both the nodes > > > > > > > > > > similar to SATURN > > > > > > > > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs Mrg.)]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > divert > > > > > > > > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > > > > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am eager to know which text supports the above > > > > > > > > > > statement, as I have > > > > > > > > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > > > > > > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL examples(charts) > > > > > > > > > > with the group > > > > > > > > > > using THIS principle, it would be better > understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > > > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > > > > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and > > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > as individual and every word retun is true in all > > > > > > > > > > > respect.Something addition to that.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are > > > > > > > > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a > > > > > > > > > > Shadow > > > > > > > > > > > planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are > > > > > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > > > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > > > > > > > > > > divert > > > > > > > > > > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > > > > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > > > > > > > > > > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > > > > > > > > > > > influence over the affairs of the house in which > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > falls, brings out the more positive potentials of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > sign in which it is placed, and favours the > > > > > > > > > > functions > > > > > > > > > > > and energies signified by any planets or points > to > > > > > > > > > > > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect > > > > > > > > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and > > > > > > > > > > gains). > > > > > > > > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence > upon, > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > obligations in relation to the affairs of the > > > > > > > > > > house it > > > > > > > > > > > occupies; brings out the more negative potentials > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours > > > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs > > > > > > > > > > Conscious > > > > > > > > > > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > stem from the past and to which there is an inner > > > > > > > > > > > inclination to cling although they may no longer > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > relevant or appropriate to the individual's > > > > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu represents > conscious > > > > > > > > > > > motivations relevant to the present and future, > > > > > > > > > > > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > > > > > > > > > > > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties > > > > > > > > > > inherited > > > > > > > > > > > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > > > > > > > > self-development in > > > > > > > > > > > the current incarnation in order to attain > > > > > > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the successful > > > > > > > > > > realisation of > > > > > > > > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > > > > > > > > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > not only one of them exist.That too they are > > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > to each other all the time and retograting.I am > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > talking in terms of there technical > > > > > > > > > > existence.Reason > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu principles are not to be completely > > > > > > > > > > overthrown > > > > > > > > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious > > > > > > > > > > balance > > > > > > > > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the > > > > > > > > > > reach > > > > > > > > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. > > > > > > > > > > Harmonious > > > > > > > > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will > > > > > > > > > > > indicate relatively easy progress along the > > > > > > > > > > journey > > > > > > > > > > > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and > > > > > > > > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > individual will frequently, on encountering > > > > > > > > > > obstacles, > > > > > > > > > > > be consciously inclined to give up and return to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > than through absolute force or obligation. But as > > > > > > > > > > > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate > > > > > > > > > > rewards of > > > > > > > > > > > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > > > > > > > > > > > satisfying than would be attained by an easy > > > > > > > > > > passage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > progression, show the manner in which the > > > > > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > > > > > > > > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned > responses. > > > > > > > > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > and house placement of the squared planet.It > > > > > > > > > > creates a > > > > > > > > > > > tension for a individual in there growth. > > > > > > > > > > Quincunxes > > > > > > > > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the > > > > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities > for > > > > > > > > > > > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > > > > > > > > > > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > > > > > > > > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > > > > > > > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in > natal > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to Western astrological systems which > > > > > > > > > > tends > > > > > > > > > > > > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > > > > > > > > > > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, > > > > > > > > > > sufferings, > > > > > > > > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of one past > > > > > > > > > > lives. In > > > > > > > > > > > > this view, popularized by such authors as > Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north > > > > > > > > > > nde > > > > > > > > > > > > represents what we should be striving towards > in > > > > > > > > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > > > > > > > > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past > that > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. > > > > > > > > > > Proponents of > > > > > > > > > > > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > house placements of the nodes, one's karmic > past > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > > > > > > > > > > > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at > closely > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > transit analysis of the here and now of one's > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > > > > > > > > > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a > > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological system strongly propounded this > > > > > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > > > > > > > > > > > American view, looked in at the transit > > > > > > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate where and what nature one's > > > > > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while > the > > > > > > > > > > > > nodes may have something to do with one's karma > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > may involve relationships with others, they are > > > > > > > > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and > > > > > > > > > > swallow > > > > > > > > > > > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > > > > > > > > > > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > > > > > > > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun and moon, > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and > > > > > > > > > > lunar > > > > > > > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of > > > > > > > > > > rahu , > > > > > > > > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able > to > > > > > > > > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has > rulership > > > > > > > > > > > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, > > > > > > > > > > Since > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of > an > > > > > > > > > > > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole > body > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of > this > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . > > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > > matter how much it gets it always wants more > and > > > > > > > > > > > > because of this rahu is closely associated with > > > > > > > > > > > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > > > > > > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, > drugs, > > > > > > > > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > > > > > > > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also > rules > > > > > > > > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because > > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > sufferings in general, especially chronic > > > > > > > > > > diseases > > > > > > > > > > > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > > > > > > > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a > > > > > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > > > > > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble > which > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > > > > > > > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > > > > > > > > > > > people do things they otherwise would not by > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic > myth > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always temporary. In the > > > > > > > > > > myth > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, > but > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may give > > > > > > > > > > material > > > > > > > > > > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these > > > > > > > > > > gifts > > > > > > > > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual > > > > > > > > > > axiom in > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > influence will eventually flitter away and be > > > > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > can't take it with you .The moment you think > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment > when > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you > > > > > > > > > > hungry > > > > > > > > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as > > > > > > > > > > dragon's > > > > > > > > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of > > > > > > > > > > rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and > materialism > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu's > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality > > > > > > > > > > onto > > > > > > > > > > > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as > if > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a person's life, > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for > help > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > influence creates denial and sometimes > > > > > > > > > > abandonment. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu closely > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > > > > > > > > > > > typically report that their mother was > > > > > > > > > > emotionally > > > > > > > > > > > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > > > > > > > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, > > > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > > > > > > > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's etc.,) > or > > > > > > > > > > > > disease that can get misdiagonised or > mistreated > > > > > > > > > > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, mysterious > > > > > > > > > > > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > to mention certain more points on the nodes > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > come across while studying different > horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the > > > > > > > > > > article > > > > > > > > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied > nodes. > > > > > > > > > > E.g > > > > > > > > > > > > for this I would like to mention here is that I > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > > > > > > > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > > > > > > > > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his > > > > > > > > > > wife, he > > > > > > > > > > > > felt still there is something lacking to make > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > more popular world wide, he had past broken > > > > > > > > > > affair > > > > > > > > > > > > and at this age too he was longing a > > > > > > > > > > companionship > > > > > > > > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > > > > > > > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or > > > > > > > > > > broken > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving > point > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss what would have made him save his > > > > > > > > > > marriage) > > > > > > > > > > > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and > > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > > > > > > > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > > > > > > > > > > > > native questionable characters and sometimes > > > > > > > > > > even to > > > > > > > > > > > > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > > > > > > > > > > > > before marriage and afterwards getting > separated > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > such effects does Mars has something to do with > > > > > > > > > > > > character of person apart from it hot qualities > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives > > > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page ETry > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > > > > > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Hi Rakesh, Thanks for a compliment,I live in mumbai. --- rakesh arora <rakesharora_jv wrote: > Dear Shripalji > > The email is certainly good and represents the > clarity of your thoughts about the nodes. > > Well, I would just say its excellent. > Most of the astrologers donot know these facts. > > Pls share your thoughts. Its great to be with you > sometime. > > I m in delhi. waht about u sir? > > kind regards > rakesh > > Shripal <d_shripal wrote: > > Hi, > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu and > Ketu > as individual and every word retun is true in all > respect.Something addition to that.... > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which are > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a > Shadow > planets.Shadow of each and everything which exist as > a > materialistic in this world. > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are free > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > Saturn,that's > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to divert > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > nature of Jupiter. > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > influence over the affairs of the house in which it > falls, brings out the more positive potentials of > the > sign in which it is placed, and favours the > functions > and energies signified by any planets or points to > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious aspect > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and > gains). > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence upon, > or > brings binding, delaying or impeding restrictions or > obligations in relation to the affairs of the house > it > occupies; brings out the more negative potentials of > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours > planets > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it (the > Moon > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu is > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs > Conscious > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations that > stem from the past and to which there is an inner > inclination to cling although they may no longer be > relevant or appropriate to the individual's > situation > and prospects, while the Rahu represents conscious > motivations relevant to the present and future, > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties inherited > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while the > Rahu shows the ideal direction for self-development > in > the current incarnation in order to attain ultimate > spiritual fulfilment and the successful realisation > of > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > lifetime. > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and Ketu) > and > not only one of them exist.That too they are > opposite > to each other all the time and retograting.I am not > talking in terms of there technical existence.Reason > is > Ketu principles are not to be completely overthrown > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious balance > with those of the Rahu. > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the reach > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. > Harmonious > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu will > indicate relatively easy progress along the journey > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects and > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. The > individual will frequently, on encountering > obstacles, > be consciously inclined to give up and return to the > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve > rather > than through absolute force or obligation. But as > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate rewards > of > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > satisfying than would be attained by an easy > passage. > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by transit > and > progression, show the manner in which the > development > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; while > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned responses. > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest between > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the sign > and house placement of the squared planet.It creates > a > tension for a individual in there growth. Quincunxes > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the means > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities for > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > Synastry.Detail explanation about our interaction > with > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > --- yogita purohit wrote: > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu which > I > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in natal > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in > their > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > opposed to Western astrological systems which > tends > > to view nodes as favourable influences, Jyotish > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, > sufferings, > > “fated” cataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong tendency to > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with one’s > > karma—the accumulated lesson’s of one past lives. > In > > this view, popularized by such authors as Martin > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north nde > > represents what we should be striving towards in > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us to > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past that > we > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. Proponents > of > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign and > > house placements of the nodes, one’s karmic past > and > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes are > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at closely > in > > transit analysis of the here and now of one’s > life. > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a lot > > to do with interpersonal relationships, rather > than > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > astrological system strongly propounded this view. > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining how > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > American view, looked in at the transit analysis. > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > indicate where and what nature one’s relationship > > would be. > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while the > > nodes may have something to do with one’s karma > and > > may involve relationships with others, they are > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu and > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and > swallow > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of that > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > heavens. Due to it’s exposure by sun and moon, the > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, hence > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and > lunar > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of rahu > , > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able to > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In the > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has rulership > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, > Since > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of an > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole body > as > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of this > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material desires . > Now > > matter how much it gets it always wants more and > > because of this rahu is closely associated with > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, drugs, > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also rules > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. Because > rahu > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain > over > > sufferings in general, especially chronic diseases > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > tragic. > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a > god, > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble which > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to it’s > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > people do things they otherwise would not by > making > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that they > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic myth > is > > that Rahu’s gains are always temporary. In the > myth > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, but > was > > found at the end and suffered for it. Likewise, > when > > well placd in one’s chart, rahu may give material > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these gifts > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual axiom > in > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu’s > > influence will eventually flitter away and be > lost. > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : You > > can’t take it with you .The moment you think that > > you have attained lasting success > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment when > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you > hungry > > for what you lost and you cannot have it again. > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as > dragon’s > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of > rahu. > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and materialism , > > ketu is pure spirituality and non-materiality. In > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But ketu’s > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is > after > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality > onto > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as if > > ketu creates many disasters in a person’s life, > that > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for help > and > > solace. > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non-material, it’s > > influence creates denial and sometimes > abandonment. > > For example, a person with Ketu closely conjunct > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > typically report that their mother was emotionally > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, > psychic > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu is > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson’s etc.,)or > > disease that can get misdiagonised or mistreated > > this is because of ketu’s hidden, mysterious > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would also > like > > to mention certain more points on the nodes which > I > > come across while studying different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the > article > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied nodes. > E.g > > for this I would like to mention here is that I > was > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and > after > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he was > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near about > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his wife, > he > > felt still there is something lacking to make him > > more popular world wide, he had past broken affair > > and at this age too he was longing a companionship > > with young females. > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his was > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or broken > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due to > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving point > of > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > discuss what would have made him save his > marriage) > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and rahu > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given those > > native questionable characters and sometimes even > to > > the extent of satisfying their physical desires > > before marriage and afterwards getting separated > and > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations gives > > such effects does Mars has something to do with > > character of person apart from it hot qualities of > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives etc., > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from Rupji > and > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page – Try My > > > > ===== > "Love is friendship set to music." > "Love conquers all." > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Soumit; Your 7th house, as I mentioned, is afflicted by seperative planets like Saturn/Rahu/Ketu/Mars, which, combined with the placement of L7 (Moon) in the 8th, explain your divorce. We typically examine the 2nd in D-1 & D-9; 2nd from Venus; and 2nd from the Moon and asses the strength of each house/lord when reviewing the potential of a second marriage.. The 2nd house in D-1 contains L12/L3 Jupiter who receives an aspect from L7 Moon in the 8th and Mars in the 7th. L2 Saturn is placed 12th from 2nd and although in own sign, Saturn is heavily afflicted by Rahu/Ketu and Mars. I therefore doubt that the sub-period of Saturn will bring a second marriage, but it is evident that Jupiter has a strong connection with the houses related to spouse possibility may exist. The 2nd from Venus (Sagittarius) is unoccupied; and its ruler Jupiter is placed in the 4th from Venus and aspected by Moon from the 10th and Mars from the 9th, which are encouraging factors and this enforces the relationship that Jupiter has in your chart with re-marriage. A slight concern, however, would be Jupiter's placement in a fixed sign - common signs are known to be more likely indicators of remarriage. 2nd from Moon is Virgo, and Mercury is well placed there (exalted of course). Mercury is in the 11th from Venus; is the natural significator for dual relationships; and Virgo being a common sign further enhance the potential of Mercury to give remarriage. 2nd from Navamsa lagna and Venus in Navamsa are Gemini and Virgo respectively and their Lord, Mercury, is again well placed in own sign (again a common sign). A strong Jupiter in own sign and Sun aspect Mercury from the 8th house - although indicating obstructions - re-establish Jupiter's link with 2nd marriage issues. My guess is that re-marriage is possible during Jupiter Mahadasha, Jupiter-Mercury in particular, but by then you will be approaching your early 50's so this dasha-period may come to late for a second marriage to manifest. Hope that helps Regards Milan , Soumit Guha <java_sgt> wrote: > Hi Maniv, > Many thanks for looking my horoscope up. > It was an awesome analysis and a great synopsis. > To ratify your reading I would say that house # 7 has had so many challenges, that it finally yeilded to the pounding and resulted with my ex divorcing me. > I wanted to know if you see another marriage, and if so when. > Regards > Soumit > > maniv78 <maniv78> wrote: > > Soumit; > > It is extremely difficult to give instant predictions when no > specific query has been assigned. The following statements are based > on a brief look at your chart and are by no means conclusive > indicators of future events. > > The 1st and 7th houses are caught up in the Rahu-Ketu axis and this > more often then not promises major ups and downs in life. This > affliction is, of course, worsened by the conjunctions of Saturn and > Mars with the Nodes. With Mars and Sun debilitated ( Sun is also > afflicted by the aspects of Saturn and Mars) and Moon placed in the > 8th house you have further afflictions that are likely to have > effected key areas of your life; especially marriage/married life. > Assessing the impact of Rahu-Ketu is a complex affair when they are > so closely connected with the two key malefics and when there are > other badly afflicted planets in the chart. Major obstacles will > arise time and time again when the route of material > objectives/attachments is chosen. > > Spirituality is indicated by the Saturn-Ketu conjunction in > Capricorn ascendant; the exaltation of 9th lord Mercury and the > aspect of Jupiter on the Moon. These configurations imply that you > have evolved sufficiently to develop the perception that enables > constructive and dynamic character reforming introspection. > > Rahu dasha runs till 2011 so challenges will persist; Rahu-Venus may > bring a brief spell of sunshine but the clouds will remain most > probably until the commencement of Jupiter dasha in 2011. > > Regards > > Maniv > > , Soumit Guha <java_sgt> > wrote: > > Hi Maniv, > > I have Saturn conjunct Ketu (100%) in Capricorn(Asc) and Mars > conjunct Rahu (<1 deg off) in Cancer (7th). And everybody i guess is > fully aspecting everyboydy else and that too right in the center of > the houses. > > > > I was therefore very interested in this thread and relate 100% to > what you just said > > Could you look into the crystal ball and tell me, what choppy > waters lie ahead for me. > > My ride has been quite bumpy. > > Appreciate a reply > > Thanks > > Soumit (Oct 24,1962, N Delhi, 13:40) > > > > > > maniv78 <maniv78> wrote: > > > > I must agree with this point. I have struggled invariably when > > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars and Rahu like Saturn in > > my experiences with countless charts. > > > > We all know that: > > > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective and seperative; > > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and 'weird'; > > Mars makes one aggressive, active and dynamic; > > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and loaded with excessive > > desires; > > > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the signs that signify satwic > > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) in the charts of great > > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in materialistic signs > > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these configurations clearly > > indicate its disconnection with satwic inclinations which is more > in > > line with nature of Mars then that of Saturn. > > > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above in mind would be that > > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars like Rahu. Of course, > Mars > > does have similarities with Ketu (technical faculties, intensity); > > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); but they fail to form > > conclusive parallels when considering the key significations. > > > > Regards > > > > Maniv > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Kadrudraji; I did not in any way find your post discouraging - in fact I positively feel that constructive discussions on such issues can accelerate our understanding of important concepts. Conflicting insights force us to step back and 'reshuffle' our ideas and overcome plateau's that are so easily reached when studying Jyotish on a singular basis. I have already said that the ability to switch between layers and blend multiple factors is an overlying factor in successful chart analysis in my response to Rohiniji's post. I have also expressed my opinion on the importance of the D-20 in predicting spiritual tendencies thus do not wish to duplicate my post. You are proposing that the D-9, D-20 and D-24 are the prime indicators of spirituality and that the D-1 and D-10 are not "irrelevant". I assume then that you are giving the D-9,D-20 and D-24 more weight when analyzing spirituality, which is a valid method in the context in which you are conveying your point. However, my original post was on the topic of the sign placement of Ketu in the charts of renowned spiritualists. The D-9, D-20 and D-24 indicate spiritual knowledge/tendencies/potential but the D-1 and D- 10 contribute far more greatly to Spiritual PRACTICE and OUTER INFLUENCE which is what I was attempting to illustrate with the examples of great Saints. I think this is where you have misunderstood my stance and re-reading my previous posts may clear up some of the confusion. I will attempt to familiarize myself with the classical KondanDa Rahu theory as thus far I have not come across it in my readings and your assistance in merging this theory with my observations would be an invaluable tool in expanding my relatively mild knowledge of this great subject. Regards Maniv , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> wrote: > > Dear Maniv, > > My intention in asking you to explain a practical example was not to > test you or your belief. Nor am I discouraging anyone. > I found some link between your posts and the classical KondanDa Rahu > theory as I wrote previously. From your reply, I could > not get any clues I was looking for. Anyway, if KodanDa Rahu theory > (ref classical works) helps your analyses of nodes, please > keep the group informed. > > About D-10 and D-20 and spirituality layers, I would go for D-20 (plus > others like D-9, D-24 etc) and I have found that in > vogue to analyse successfully. It does not mean D-10 is totally > irrelevant for a native nor D-1! > If you have found it better with D-10 than D-20, GOOD! As I believe, > however accurate is chart/analyses, success depends on > something else - TRANSIENT switching between LAYERS. You are free to > neglect this post, if you find it discouraging. > > Yours > KAD > > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > wrote: > > > > RohiniJi > > > > > > Thank you for your positive comments; they are very encouraging > > coming from an experienced `pro' to an enthusiastic amateur like > > myself. > > > > I was expressing an opinion on the nature of the nodes and > > discussions of this genre tend to require a focus on specific > layers > > for the sake of simplicity. It would be great if we could keep all > > factors constant and change one variable (e.g in this case the > > house/sign placement of Rahu-Ketu) and then asses the extent of the > > impact on certain tendencies. This is, of course, a rare luxury > > (unless you have access to the charts of twins or individuals born > > within a few seconds/minutes of each other) so we have to resort to > > assumptions based on theories devised thousands of years ago. > > > > I selected the Dasamsa chart to emphasise my viewpoint - not as > the > > only contributing factor - but alongside the Rasi chart. My take on > > the Vimshamsha is that a powerful D-20 would act as an important > > prerequisite for spiritual practice, but without supportive > > indicators in the Rasi and D-10 the subject would not take the path > > that would leave strong `karmic' footprints in religious history. > In > > a nutshell his impact on the outer world would be minimal and he > may > > fail to fulfil his spiritual potential.. > > > > I fully agree that blending in indications from various divisionals > > as well as the Rasi and Chandra Lagna charts is a skill that is > > extremely difficult to master. Add to this the countless other > > factors such as Nakshtarta, Aruda/Ghati Lagna influences then we > > have a serious case of asymmetric information, which as you said, > > confuses more then enlightens. Diving to deep into the divisionals > > can also dampen our predictions due to the potential uncertainty of > > birthtime, so maybe its a wise move to stick to paddling on the > > surface of them gently............... > > > > Expert astrologers with years of experience and the intuition that > > comes with it; that are adept in birth time rectification; can > > probably manipulate all the available tools to great effect - but > > then I have seen instances where applying the most basic of > > principles in a logical and structured manner and combining this > > with the background of the individual achieve similar results. > > > > Regards > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > > wrote: > > > > > > Maniv, > > > > > > Your posts are very thoughtful and thought-provoking. Thanks! > > > > > > I have seen this tendency even in experienced players on the > field > > of > > > jyotish to focus on one layer sometimes and whether this is > really > > > what they only looked at or it is difficult to encapsulate their > > > entire thought process, much of which they are perhaps unaware > of, > > > into one post that could give this tendency. > > > > > > It is good of you to remind all that each divisional is part of > > the > > > whole and a contributor, strong, or weak. The important thing is, > > is > > > it harmonious to the other layers? One strong player in a team > may > > > bring about wins, but the team really does not work as a team in > > that > > > case -- he or she might just play alone, for that matter :-) > > > > > > Indeed, dashamsha has been undersold as a chart of occupation. It > > is > > > simply the chart of karma, of duties, the game plan. A strong > > > vimshamsha and in some cases a strong sattwic in 10th has been > > shown > > > to be an underutilized asset -- particularly when the total > karmic > > > sense is being looked at. Like nuggets of gold glittering from a > > pile > > > of cattle-droppings (don't ask me how it got there!). Albeit, > some > > > would be able to hold their noses and wash the gold nuggets out > of > > > the crap, but many will simply walk away or worse -- cover the > > heap > > > of dung with more rubbish and soil and now one cannot even see > the > > > gold nuggets anymore! > > > > > > I take a strong vimshamsha (whatever that means and that could > > mean > > > different things) as an indication of one coming with some pre- > > > experience in that area. Same with a strong navamsha (strong > > > experience and inherent maturity regarding relationships and the > > > dharma of relationships) and a strong saptamsha with experience > in > > > parenting. However, the assets may or may not be utilized or may > > be > > > expressed differently. A celibate with a good saptamamsha may > turn > > > out to be a great teacher, a spiritual leader with a strong > > navamsha, > > > vimshamsha might bring spirituality into focus through sexual > > > metaphors, etc. > > > > > > Blending of what is there and what will be expressed has always > > been > > > a tough call for jyotishis (all divinators) and even in that > > > dashamsha alone, the chart of karma alone is not adequate for > > > deciphering that. > > > > > > This kind of multiple considerations gets confusing beyond a > > certain > > > point for different individuals. The beauty of astrology is that > > even > > > if one works with just one layer (rashi) they can be effective in > > > helping others, even though there will be misses and mistakes. > > > However, these mistakes might be fewer than one who tries to look > > at > > > many things, beyond their capacity and ends up confused. I know I > > am > > > digressing a bit here for this has nothing to do with the subject > > at > > > hand, but hopefully readers will tolerate same. > > > > > > Perhaps the ancient keepers of jyotish were pre-aware of this > > hence > > > the reference to special techniques such as ashtakvarga for > > jyotishis > > > of Kaliyuga (as stated by Parashara). Mind you, I have always > been > > > intrigued by this in early days. I mean, compared to many other > > > techniques, ashtakavarga is more complex and involved in terms of > > > keeping all those points together and so on -- so what was > > Parashara > > > thinking? Well, in the last 10-20 years, the scene has changed > and > > > computers have made it possible to do away with all the > cumbersome > > > calculations and true to modern fast foods and packaged precooked > > > foods, the dinner is ready insofar as jyotish is concerned! Not > > that > > > it would now not give one a big indigestion and less than optimum > > > health -- just as fast food and packaged food loaded with > > > preservatives! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "maniv78" <maniv78> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Kadrudraji, > > > > > > > > Material 'norms' change with time and of course it is logical > > that > > > > we replace elephants with the finest cars - that's fairly > > obvious - > > > > but what is not clear is the impact of the change in > > environmental, > > > > sociocultural 'norms' which are very important influencing > > factors. > > > > That is my point. For example does an exalted Jupiter in a > > Kendra > > > > endow one with intense spiritual inclinations if the society in > > > > which he lives is 95% materialistically driven? Surely this > > energy > > > > would be diverted to fulfill sense driven ambitions? > > > > > > > > I have checked the Vimamsa charts (having a powerful Vimamsa > > chart > > > > doesn't not necessarily result in a renowned spiritualists); > The > > > > Dasamsa or 'Mahatphalam' as Parashar called it, is used to > asses > > > > achievements/role in society and more important, ones general > > > > direction and outer influence in life. For a Saint this > > > > direction/influence would be spiritually orientated and hence > > this > > > > should clearly show in this chart. It is not limited to > > > > career/professional activities. > > > > > > > > Take a look at as many charts as you can of great Saints and > > draw > > > > your own conclusions. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > , "kadrudra" > > > <kadrudra> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > > > Surely, 'norms' change with time, retaining their main idea, > > > > varying > > > > > in applications. Otherwise dictum like > > > > > 'if planets exalted A,B are in 4th or 11th one gets > elephants, > > > > horses > > > > > and chariots...' would prove astrology wrong! > > > > > As norms change, elephants, horses and chariots are replaced > > with > > > > > bull-dozers,trucks,buses and cars and these are > > > > > accepted truths. Well, its good that you checked D-10 charts > > of > > > > > Yogis, but if I could make a suggestion, Dashamsha > > > > > or D-10 chart deals with 'Materialistic' persuit and the > > division > > > > > dealing with Spiritual success is Vimshamsha(D-20). > > > > > > > > > > Hope you get some clues from that too, as to why ancestors > > > > compared > > > > > nodes with Sat/Mar. > > > > > > > > > > yours humbly > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" > > <maniv78> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Kadji; > > > > > > > > > > > > My post was an expansion on the message that challenged the > > old > > > > > > dictum that we are also familiar with. I do not consider > > this > > > to > > > > be > > > > > > the only factor when assessing the impact of the Nodes but > > did > > > > find > > > > > > the logic more digestible that Mars is like Rahu and Saturn > > > like > > > > > > Ketu that Shripalji put forward. > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree that our 'ancestors' established this principle > > after a > > > > > > level of study which we can only dream of aspiring too; bit > > I > > > > also > > > > > > feel that such ambiguous theories do not remain static and > > they > > > > may > > > > > > evolve with time. Centuries ago, in an environment where > the > > > > > > majority of the population was spiritually inclined and the > > > > popular > > > > > > culture was Vedic, Rahu's energy of drive/passion/desire > > would > > > > have > > > > > > been directed to mostly spiritual pursuits while Ketu's > > energy > > > > may > > > > > > have led one astray to black magic or to withdraw from > > > spiritual > > > > > > activities which then were the 'norm'. Ketu in this age > > still > > > > > > withdraws one from the 'norm' but that 'norm' has changed > to > > > > > > materialism which may explain Ketu's spiritual dimension. > > This > > > > is > > > > > by > > > > > > no means a rigid proposition; just a simple suggestion as > to > > > why > > > > > > this rule may have been set out as it was. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can not say with certainly that Rahu does not lead to > > Moksh > > > > and > > > > > > Ketu to aggression,(many contributing factors/energies > > effect > > > > such > > > > > > significations) but I have observed in the charts of the > > great > > > > > > spiritualists (Sivananda, Swaminarayan ,Ramkrishana etc) > and > > > > > > religiously inclined individuals - especially the Dasamsa - > > > > > > > patterns that much my above statements. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > , "kadrudra" > > > > <kadrudra> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not advise to stick on to the principle 'Rahu like > > > Saturn > > > > > and > > > > > > > Kethu like Mars' but I do think that it was coined after > > > > > > > an extensive study of the planets, obviously by much more > > > > > > experienced > > > > > > > ancestors and I don't think that they would do it SIMPLY > > > > > > > LIKE THAT, without much study. Whether one gets success, > > > > involves > > > > > > > many factors and not only dictums, whatever may be the > > number > > > > > > > of charts one has looked at. Rather than comparing shadow > > > > planets > > > > > > to > > > > > > > other planets, I would humbly place them separately to > > > > > > > judge the chart. Otherwise, we are losing enormous amount > > of > > > > > > > information they reveal, by themselves and as occupants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About nodes and Sat/Mar in your post, small doubt is - > Are > > > you > > > > > > sure > > > > > > > Rahu does not lead to Spiritualism/Moksha? > > > > > > > Are you sure Kethu does not make one attached or > > aggressive > > > > like > > > > > > > Mars? Or does that mean that you have not found > > > > > > > success using classical dictums?..just curious! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours > > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" > > > > <maniv78> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I must agree with this point. I have struggled > > invariably > > > > when > > > > > > > > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars and Rahu > like > > > > Saturn > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > my experiences with countless charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective and > seperative; > > > > > > > > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and 'weird'; > > > > > > > > Mars makes one aggressive, active and dynamic; > > > > > > > > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and loaded with > > > > excessive > > > > > > > > desires; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the signs that > > signify > > > > > > satwic > > > > > > > > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) in the > > charts > > > of > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in > > materialistic > > > > signs > > > > > > > > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these configurations > > > > clearly > > > > > > > > indicate its disconnection with satwic inclinations > > which > > > is > > > > > > more > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > line with nature of Mars then that of Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above in mind would > > be > > > > that > > > > > > > > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars like Rahu. Of > > > > course, > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > does have similarities with Ketu (technical faculties, > > > > > > intensity); > > > > > > > > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); but they fail > > to > > > > form > > > > > > > > conclusive parallels when considering the key > > > significations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction to Mukund's > > > post, > > > > > > (which > > > > > > > > was not aimed at you initially) has depreciated my > > respect > > > > for > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > greatly. Your response was clearly driven by an urge to > > > > > > demonstrate > > > > > > > > your superior knowledge, qualify the drawbacks of Islam > > by > > > > > > > > disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism and the ego > > > > created > > > > > by > > > > > > > > your status as owner of this group. > > > > > > > > No one participating on this board is irrational enough > > to > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; general > > statements > > > > > about > > > > > > > > religious groups/castes/races never have substance. > > However > > > > the > > > > > > > > indisputable fact remains that the majority of > terrorist > > > > > > activity > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > carried out by groups that come under the banner of > > Islam. > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > it's politically incorrect to make such statements; but > > why > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > the truth not be objectively assessed? > > > > > > > > I realize that this is board for discussions on Jyotish > > and > > > > > > related > > > > > > > > spiritualism so I apologize for lengthening this > thread. > > If > > > > you > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > warned Mukundji politely and then subsequently ignored > > his > > > > > > reaction > > > > > > > > to your allegations about his character then perhaps > > this > > > > line > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > debate could have been avoided altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "maniv78" > > > > > > <maniv78> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ Ketu gives > us > > > > > > > > > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have analysed > several > > > > > > > > > > charts ,you will also find,people who are having > > > > > > > > > > Jup+Sat are also spritually inclined.Have you ever > > > > > > > > > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual inclination,than > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > like Mars holds false. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget about myth > > too,know > > > > > > > > > > since ages astrology has changed a lot and be > > > > > > > > > > practical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I said was > > > > > > > > > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic part.If ketu is > > > > > > > > > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is Bad it act > like > > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I am saying > is > > > > > > > > > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in diff > > > > > > > > > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even 7th aspect is > > > > > > > > > > not there.But they influence various houses in > > > > > > > > > > chart,because bottom line they are shadow > > planets.What > > > > > > > > > > is shadow.All materialistic things which exists in > > > > > > > > > > this world we always have a shadow.So planets > > squaring > > > > > > > > > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected with > > > > > > > > > > planets,there shadows are reflected on other > > > > > > > > > > house,That's how they get a good and bad results of > > > > > > > > > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > > > > > > > > > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] principle from > > > > > > > > > > > JAATAKA > > > > > > > > > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups both the > nodes > > > > > > > > > > > similar to SATURN > > > > > > > > > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs Mrg.)]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > > divert > > > > > > > > > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes benefic > > > > > > > > > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am eager to know which text supports the above > > > > > > > > > > > statement, as I have > > > > > > > > > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > > > > > > > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL examples (charts) > > > > > > > > > > > with the group > > > > > > > > > > > using THIS principle, it would be better > > understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > > > > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > > > > > > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all qualities of Rahu > and > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > as individual and every word retun is true in > all > > > > > > > > > > > > respect.Something addition to that.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied soul,which > are > > > > > > > > > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are even known as a > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow > > > > > > > > > > > > planets.Shadow of each and everything which > exist > > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a shadow,as they are > > > > > > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature of > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > > > > why is makes one suffer too much,in order to > > > > > > > > > > > divert > > > > > > > > > > > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu takes > benefic > > > > > > > > > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, cheerful, > > > > > > > > > > > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic and popular > > > > > > > > > > > > influence over the affairs of the house in which > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > falls, brings out the more positive potentials > of > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > sign in which it is placed, and favours the > > > > > > > > > > > functions > > > > > > > > > > > > and energies signified by any planets or points > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > which it forms a conjunction or harmonious > aspect > > > > > > > > > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing benefit and > > > > > > > > > > > gains). > > > > > > > > > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful influence > > upon, > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > brings binding, delaying or impeding > restrictions > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > obligations in relation to the affairs of the > > > > > > > > > > > house it > > > > > > > > > > > > occupies; brings out the more negative > potentials > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > the sign in which it is posited and disfavours > > > > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect with it > (the > > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > particularly bringing losses and troubles). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > relating to one's subconscious Attachment vs > > > > > > > > > > > Conscious > > > > > > > > > > > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious motivations > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > stem from the past and to which there is an > inner > > > > > > > > > > > > inclination to cling although they may no longer > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > relevant or appropriate to the individual's > > > > > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu represents > > conscious > > > > > > > > > > > > motivations relevant to the present and future, > > > > > > > > > > > > characterised by a desire for the unfoldment of > > > > > > > > > > > > appropriate changes in personal psychology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and faculties > > > > > > > > > > > inherited > > > > > > > > > > > > from former incarnations or 'past lives', while > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > > > > > > > > > self-development in > > > > > > > > > > > > the current incarnation in order to attain > > > > > > > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the successful > > > > > > > > > > > realisation of > > > > > > > > > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals from this > > > > > > > > > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are there(Rahu and > Ketu) > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > not only one of them exist.That too they are > > > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > > to each other all the time and retograting.I am > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > talking in terms of there technical > > > > > > > > > > > existence.Reason > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu principles are not to be completely > > > > > > > > > > > overthrown > > > > > > > > > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in harmonious > > > > > > > > > > > balance > > > > > > > > > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new growth the > > > > > > > > > > > reach > > > > > > > > > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated struggle. > > > > > > > > > > > Harmonious > > > > > > > > > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to the Rahu > will > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate relatively easy progress along the > > > > > > > > > > > journey > > > > > > > > > > > > towards this goal, while inharmonious aspects > and > > > > > > > > > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate difficulties. > > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > > individual will frequently, on encountering > > > > > > > > > > > obstacles, > > > > > > > > > > > > be consciously inclined to give up and return to > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness of resolve > > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > > than through absolute force or obligation. But > as > > > > > > > > > > > > always with stressful aspects, the ultimate > > > > > > > > > > > rewards of > > > > > > > > > > > > achievement can be greater and more spiritually > > > > > > > > > > > > satisfying than would be attained by an easy > > > > > > > > > > > passage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally and by > transit > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > progression, show the manner in which the > > > > > > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be worked out. > > > > > > > > > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce forced growth; > > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > > those to the Ketu encourage conditioned > > responses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of interest > > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual towards the > > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > > and house placement of the squared planet.It > > > > > > > > > > > creates a > > > > > > > > > > > > tension for a individual in there growth. > > > > > > > > > > > Quincunxes > > > > > > > > > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved notion of the > > > > > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring opportunities > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > constructive growth, while trines bring easy > > > > > > > > > > > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article Nodes in > > > > > > > > > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about our > interaction > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an article of Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient astrological system of > > > > > > > > > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major points in > > natal > > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, especially in > > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > > transit movements through the birth chart. As > > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to Western astrological systems which > > > > > > > > > > > tends > > > > > > > > > > > > > to view nodes as favourable influences, > Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic forces, > > > > > > > > > > > > > responsible for chronic diseases, loss, > > > > > > > > > > > sufferings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a strong > tendency > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > view the lunar nodes as something to do with > > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of one past > > > > > > > > > > > lives. In > > > > > > > > > > > > > this view, popularized by such authors as > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology series, the north > > > > > > > > > > > nde > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents what we should be striving towards > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic goal for us > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed as the past > > that > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold onto. > > > > > > > > > > > Proponents of > > > > > > > > > > > > > this view contend, that by looking at the sign > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > house placements of the nodes, one's karmic > > past > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. Curiously nodes > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > given rather strong importance in natal chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom looked at > > closely > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > transit analysis of the here and now of one's > > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological system of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted as having a > > > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > > > to do with interpersonal relationships, > rather > > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the Uranian > > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological system strongly propounded this > > > > > > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key in determining > > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > > social the person was and, as opposed to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > American view, looked in at the transit > > > > > > > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other planet would > > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate where and what nature one's > > > > > > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, however, while > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > nodes may have something to do with one's > karma > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > may involve relationships with others, they > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of origin of Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to taste and > > > > > > > > > > > swallow > > > > > > > > > > > > > the amrita just before the dismemberment and > > > > > > > > > > > > > therefore was unable to be killed. Because of > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists eternally in > > > > > > > > > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by sun and moon, > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 planets, > > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon during solar and > > > > > > > > > > > lunar > > > > > > > > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin or story of > > > > > > > > > > > rahu , > > > > > > > > > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as it was able > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only temporarily. In > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu has > > rulership > > > > > > > > > > > > > over con artists, liars, illusions and cheats, > > > > > > > > > > > Since > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only the head and part of the body of > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > immortal demon it is always constantly hungy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever food eaten never reaches the whole > > body > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And because of > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable material > desires . > > > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter how much it gets it always wants more > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > because of this rahu is closely associated > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > addictions and obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > > > > > > > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules poisons, > > drugs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive gambling, sex > > > > > > > > > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. Rahu also > > rules > > > > > > > > > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational fears. > Because > > > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it also has domain > > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > > sufferings in general, especially chronic > > > > > > > > > > > diseases > > > > > > > > > > > > > and events that are sudden and seem fated and > > > > > > > > > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to impersonate a > > > > > > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > > > > > > > at a considerable risk to itself( a gamble > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually was lost by demon body leading to > > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated with reckless > > > > > > > > > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. Rahu can make > > > > > > > > > > > > > people do things they otherwise would not by > > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > > them throw caution to wind and thinking that > > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from the vedic > > myth > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always temporary. In the > > > > > > > > > > > myth > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods for a while, > > but > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > found at the end and suffered for it. > Likewise, > > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu may give > > > > > > > > > > > material > > > > > > > > > > > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, but these > > > > > > > > > > > gifts > > > > > > > > > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is a virtual > > > > > > > > > > > axiom in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained with rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence will eventually flitter away and be > > > > > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu teaches is this : > > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > > can't take it with you .The moment you think > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly the moment > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu will take away that success, leaving you > > > > > > > > > > > hungry > > > > > > > > > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot have it > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu called as > > > > > > > > > > > dragon's > > > > > > > > > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact opposite of > > > > > > > > > > > rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality and > > materialism > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and non- materiality. > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > this respect ketu acts like Neptune. But > ketu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy price tag. It is > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings spirituality > > > > > > > > > > > onto > > > > > > > > > > > > > people by making them suffer. It is almost as > > if > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a person's > life, > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to divine for > > help > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and non- material, > > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > influence creates denial and sometimes > > > > > > > > > > > abandonment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu closely > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the mother will > > > > > > > > > > > > > typically report that their mother was > > > > > > > > > > > emotionally > > > > > > > > > > > > > or physically unavailable when the person was > > > > > > > > > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very mystic, occult, > > > > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also bring with it > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware of with ketu > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it rules diseases of unknown origin (like > > > > > > > > > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, parkinson's etc.,) > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > disease that can get misdiagonised or > > mistreated > > > > > > > > > > > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, mysterious > > > > > > > > > > > > > quality. It can be most insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above I would > also > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > to mention certain more points on the nodes > > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > > come across while studying different > > horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also mentioned in the > > > > > > > > > > > article > > > > > > > > > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are unsatisfied > > nodes. > > > > > > > > > > > E.g > > > > > > > > > > > > > for this I would like to mention here is that > I > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > working as an astrologer with a very reputed > > > > > > > > > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was filthy rich and > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > having all materialistic pleasures of life he > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age is near > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain about having > > > > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfied physical relationship with his > > > > > > > > > > > wife, he > > > > > > > > > > > > > felt still there is something lacking to make > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > more popular world wide, he had past broken > > > > > > > > > > > affair > > > > > > > > > > > > > and at this age too he was longing a > > > > > > > > > > > companionship > > > > > > > > > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen that his > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and ketu- guru in > > > > > > > > > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him disturbed or > > > > > > > > > > > broken > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage life he is still with wife may be due > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could be saving > > point > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > his marital life (here I want group member to > > > > > > > > > > > > > discuss what would have made him save his > > > > > > > > > > > marriage) > > > > > > > > > > > > > but he has grudges against his wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen is Mars and > > > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in horoscopes > > > > > > > > > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) have given > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > native questionable characters and sometimes > > > > > > > > > > > even to > > > > > > > > > > > > > the extent of satisfying their physical > desires > > > > > > > > > > > > > before marriage and afterwards getting > > separated > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary combinations > > gives > > > > > > > > > > > > > such effects does Mars has something to do > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > character of person apart from it hot > qualities > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful energy drives > > > > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or discussion from > Rupji > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one personal page ETry > > > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > > > > > > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted January 19, 2005 Report Share Posted January 19, 2005 Hi Milan, Thanks for taking the time and doing such a detailed analysis for me and then some, for typing it up. I greatly appreciate it. It is amazing to me what you astrologers can tell by a time & place of birth. I wish I posessed this talent & skill. I will keep you posted about the 2nd marriage, if & when it happens. I definetly have more questions for you, but I will yeild to the others in line, because I can only guess the inbox, that you have stacked up. Regards Soumit maniv78 <maniv78 wrote: Soumit; Your 7th house, as I mentioned, is afflicted by seperative planets like Saturn/Rahu/Ketu/Mars, which, combined with the placement of L7 (Moon) in the 8th, explain your divorce. We typically examine the 2nd in D-1 & D-9; 2nd from Venus; and 2nd from the Moon and asses the strength of each house/lord when reviewing the potential of a second marriage.. The 2nd house in D-1 contains L12/L3 Jupiter who receives an aspect from L7 Moon in the 8th and Mars in the 7th. L2 Saturn is placed 12th from 2nd and although in own sign, Saturn is heavily afflicted by Rahu/Ketu and Mars. I therefore doubt that the sub-period of Saturn will bring a second marriage, but it is evident that Jupiter has a strong connection with the houses related to spouse possibility may exist. The 2nd from Venus (Sagittarius) is unoccupied; and its ruler Jupiter is placed in the 4th from Venus and aspected by Moon from the 10th and Mars from the 9th, which are encouraging factors and this enforces the relationship that Jupiter has in your chart with re-marriage. A slight concern, however, would be Jupiter's placement in a fixed sign - common signs are known to be more likely indicators of remarriage. 2nd from Moon is Virgo, and Mercury is well placed there (exalted of course). Mercury is in the 11th from Venus; is the natural significator for dual relationships; and Virgo being a common sign further enhance the potential of Mercury to give remarriage. 2nd from Navamsa lagna and Venus in Navamsa are Gemini and Virgo respectively and their Lord, Mercury, is again well placed in own sign (again a common sign). A strong Jupiter in own sign and Sun aspect Mercury from the 8th house - although indicating obstructions - re-establish Jupiter's link with 2nd marriage issues. My guess is that re-marriage is possible during Jupiter Mahadasha, Jupiter-Mercury in particular, but by then you will be approaching your early 50's so this dasha-period may come to late for a second marriage to manifest. Hope that helps Regards Milan , Soumit Guha <java_sgt> wrote: > Hi Maniv, > Many thanks for looking my horoscope up. > It was an awesome analysis and a great synopsis. > To ratify your reading I would say that house # 7 has had so many challenges, that it finally yeilded to the pounding and resulted with my ex divorcing me. > I wanted to know if you see another marriage, and if so when. > Regards > Soumit > > maniv78 <maniv78> wrote: > > Soumit; > > It is extremely difficult to give instant predictions when no > specific query has been assigned. The following statements are based > on a brief look at your chart and are by no means conclusive > indicators of future events. > > The 1st and 7th houses are caught up in the Rahu-Ketu axis and this > more often then not promises major ups and downs in life. This > affliction is, of course, worsened by the conjunctions of Saturn and > Mars with the Nodes. With Mars and Sun debilitated ( Sun is also > afflicted by the aspects of Saturn and Mars) and Moon placed in the > 8th house you have further afflictions that are likely to have > effected key areas of your life; especially marriage/married life. > Assessing the impact of Rahu-Ketu is a complex affair when they are > so closely connected with the two key malefics and when there are > other badly afflicted planets in the chart. Major obstacles will > arise time and time again when the route of material > objectives/attachments is chosen. > > Spirituality is indicated by the Saturn-Ketu conjunction in > Capricorn ascendant; the exaltation of 9th lord Mercury and the > aspect of Jupiter on the Moon. These configurations imply that you > have evolved sufficiently to develop the perception that enables > constructive and dynamic character reforming introspection. > > Rahu dasha runs till 2011 so challenges will persist; Rahu-Venus may > bring a brief spell of sunshine but the clouds will remain most > probably until the commencement of Jupiter dasha in 2011. > > Regards > > Maniv > > , Soumit Guha <java_sgt> > wrote: > > Hi Maniv, > > I have Saturn conjunct Ketu (100%) in Capricorn(Asc) and Mars > conjunct Rahu (<1 deg off) in Cancer (7th). And everybody i guess is > fully aspecting everyboydy else and that too right in the center of > the houses. > > > > I was therefore very interested in this thread and relate 100% to > what you just said > > Could you look into the crystal ball and tell me, what choppy > waters lie ahead for me. > > My ride has been quite bumpy. > > Appreciate a reply > > Thanks > > Soumit (Oct 24,1962, N Delhi, 13:40) > > > > > > maniv78 <maniv78> wrote: > > > > I must agree with this point. I have struggled invariably when > > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars and Rahu like Saturn in > > my experiences with countless charts. > > > > We all know that: > > > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective and seperative; > > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and 'weird'; > > Mars makes one aggressive, active and dynamic; > > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and loaded with excessive > > desires; > > > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the signs that signify satwic > > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) in the charts of great > > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in materialistic signs > > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these configurations clearly > > indicate its disconnection with satwic inclinations which is more > in > > line with nature of Mars then that of Saturn. > > > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above in mind would be that > > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars like Rahu. Of course, > Mars > > does have similarities with Ketu (technical faculties, intensity); > > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); but they fail to form > > conclusive parallels when considering the key significations. > > > > Regards > > > > Maniv > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / soumit guha java_sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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