A question that has been bothering me all my life! Common response

January 14, 2005

Thanks Krishnanji, Kad ji and Sharmaji for your kind responses.

Sharma ji, Nishek lagna as well as adhana lagna are methods with

their own launch-related uncertainties. There are many other methods

that are more palpable and concrete, but none of these really work.

That was my point. Until someone actually deciphers this so obvious

and almost 'in-your-face' matter about gender differences and how

much they are reflected in horoscopes, I would simply have to concede

that gender cannot be determined reliably from horoscopes. I am open

to large scale demonstrations. Actually it is quite frustrating that

something so obvious cannot be pinned down in horoscopes which we

claim to hold the key to everything in life in the human expereince!

Even more nebulous is the issue about race and religion of an

individual. To me all this would indicate that the layer of

the 'being' that we see as the horoscope is one which is not just the

physical or the spirit/soul for that matter but somewhere in between

where there is the realm of possibilities, the zone of action, the

dynamic zone. Being fluid and vibrant, this zone of being is where

destiny meets karma. The physical features and other attributes that

one can often tell from the chart are layered upon this

astrological/horoscopic soma (almost morphogenetic in a sense). In

other words one is seeing a prototype of life in the chart and not

the final product. Hence, we see variations from what the horoscope

tells us or promises us. This is not to condone ignorance and bad

technique, by the way, because there is plenty of that too which only

makes the task that much more difficult and frustrating and the

challenge of astrology so stimulating.

Krishnan ji and Kad ji, I will have to read your messages more

carefully and again and I will respond to you when I gain

understanding.

But, wanted to thank you for your time and efforts,

Regards,

RR

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

> Hello Members,

> From Astrology point of view the following have definete answers

provided there is definete belief in this approach.

> Let's be sure that such questions r not meant to test the knowledge

of a simpleton who is ready to help a person and find the way to tide

the good and bad times.

> Infact the questions below r not veru uncommon or for that matter

difficult to deal in Astrology,the problem always lies in the data

accuracy that is given to him to churn out the details.This makes

Astrologers a very sensitive and questionable flock as a

professional.Iam sure Rohini ji is able to appreciate the depth of

the vedic approach through Astrology.What we r now interested was a

most prevalent and reverred approach.To stand to times of

modernisation and changing values(including freedom of religion) is a

challenging issues before the time tested field of knowledge.

>

> "Can one tell the gender of a person just given the birthdata?

> > > Can one tell the race of a person just given the birthdata?

> > > can one tell the religion of a person (at birth and later)

given

> > the

> > > birthdata?"

> If members do not find my clarification and want to enlighten me I

welcome their views

> krishnan

>

> kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> As rightly noted, astro combinations or quotes would not help here.

> I would stress again on the moment which decides the TRIAD of

> astrologer-query-querist, since the degree of accuracy of answer

> to any of these questions depends directly on THAT particular

moment.

> If the querist is 'eligible' to know the answer, if the

> astrologer is 'capable' enough to give the answer and if the QUERY

> is 'genuine' enough in its objective, no matter what the

> query is, the MOMENT SATISFIES THE TRIAD.

>

> With all said above, it is very difficult to judge/sense which is

> a 'good' moment; rather it is felt later after the answer

> is given by astrologer to the querist many a times! Whatever astro-

> knowledge one has, a BAD moment fails him to get accurate

> solution to a problem posed to him. So answer-rain to Chaataka

> Pakshis like us is available; not always, but in drops of time!

>

> ..Just my drop of water

>

> yours

> KAD

>

> , "Gaurav Sharma"

> <gauravkom> wrote:

> >

> > Rohini ji,

> >

> > I think if you see today`s astrology i do doubt how many people

> will

> > be really interested in knowing the answers to the questions that

> > you have asked. The curiousity to know the future is more from

the

> > perspective of events and well being rather than knowing gender,

> > race or religion. More importantly race and religion is something

> > which has come into picture due to the geographic location(race)

> and

> > practices which came into picture either preached by someone or

> > found in texts(religion). A person could change his religion or

> > preach more than one religion. There are few streams of astrology

> > like nadi which can to a certain extent do that also. But it is

> more

> > done by asking questions than by birthdata.

> >

> > For the gender part, nishek lagna could be helpful to some extent

> > but again the birthdata should be accurate.

> >

> > For your part where you have mentioned that we hear that jyotish

> can

> > tell one's name and where a mole is situated on the body, we can

go

> > by a simple principle(one advocated by you also) of testing out

> such

> > methods. Hearing is not believing.

> >

> > Gaurav

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Now that we as a group, thanks to Kali Awatar Internet, have

> > > undoubtedly reached and hopefully exceeded that critical mass

> that

> > I

> > > had been anxiously waiting for like a Chaatak bird who keeps

> > looking

> > > at the source of illumination and that has the solution to his

> > > misery, his thirst ...

> > >

> > > We are all beholden to jyotish and we fight vehemently for our

> > > beliefs in strong and weak ways, but always passionately and

> > truly,

> > > and I have yet to find an astrologer/astrology student here who

> is

> > > not true to his/her belief in astrology, whatever other

flavours

> > and

> > > biases or leanings he or she might have had.

> > >

> > > Here is my dilemma -- there have been written umpteen million

> > shlokas

> > > and their translations and their transcriptions and

reiterations

> > and

> > > so on on matters astrological and yet I have not found anyone

who

> > can

> > > answer the following call, with certainty and confident success:

> > >

> > > Can one tell the gender of a person just given the birthdata?

> > > Can one tell the race of a person just given the birthdata?

> > > can one tell the religion of a person (at birth and later)

given

> > the

> > > birthdata?

> > >

> > > And yet we hear that jyotish can tell one's name and where a

mole

> > is

> > > situated on the body!

> > >

> > > Please don't quote me slokas and combinations that fizzle out

> > readily

> > > when put to test.

> > >

> > > And if your experience has been like mine, then why is this so

> > (why

> > > can we not tell these obvious, unambiguous things and

attributes)

> > and

> > > what does that tell us about what the horoscope and astrology

is

> > > supposed to tell us?

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

>

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January 14, 2005

Hello Rohini ji,

About couple of month's back I was with My Guru Prof K,N,Rao In connection with

a commonly addressing a commune and convey the potentialities of of the reverred

field of ancient knowledge.At the end of 2 hours session there were questions

and answers.Some were fielded to Shri k.N.Rao and some to me.

In the process Shri.K.N.Rao professes that making accurate predictions in

individual cases for an Astrology is not a well designed task.Because:

"there is plenty of that too which only

makes the task that much more difficult and frustrating"

The one who finds things and unsolvable seeks guidance and knocks at the door of

an Astrologer.The Astrologer has nothing but the time and state of the querist

and his intense problem that is looking for quick as well as permanent solution.

In this state of darkness,the poor receiver has to base the data and understand

what kind of knowledge he has to make available.At that time the person asking

is having some unconfirmed data usually made available to the Astrologer.In the

process,the querist tries to look in an exclamation how his issue can be

resloved by the poor person hanging around the street corner.Discussing theory

of Astrology with querist is not the one what the person wants.The person wants

a deterministic solution with no if's and buts.can the Astrologer find such a

solution.Suppose the questions relate to as posed to (us) relate to:

"Can one tell the gender of a person just given the birthdata?

> > > Can one tell the race of a person just given the birthdata?

> > > can one tell the religion of a person (at birth and later)

given

> > the

> > > birthdata?"

We churn out lot nishek lagna,adhana lagna and hora lagna etc and come out with

some kind of solution.The person is at the end is either happy or unhappy as his

assesment of abilities of the Astrologer have either been satisified or not

satisfied ,If not satisfied he makes mockery of all of us or satisfied he says

that he has lot of regard and belief in this field.

So friends late B.V.Raman's words"

who else except the creator Brahma, can say with certainity what will definetely

happen?

we "only indicate in a way what will take place in future"

So a proto type is either good or bad but the challenge is taken and effort made

at the ende shall certainly has to make us pleasing as we right atleast 45% and

rest of our knowledge and experience needed upgradation.This process is

continuous that justifies as atarget for this group.

good luck and a happy pongal to all

krishnan

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: