Atmakarka - charakarakas 7 or 8

January 16, 2005

Dear All,

The 8 charakaraka system is a principle preferred by Jaimini, though both

Jaimini and Parasara accept the existance of two schools of thought. (Rath)

Planets with the same degrees (but different minutes) may alow a charakaraka

replacement during the person's life time.

Love,

Gili

>"rohiniranjan" <rrgb

>

>Re: Atmakarka

>Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:25:23 -0000

>

>Re. Rahu as a charakaraka -- Atha karakadhyaya (chap. 34) of BPHS

>(Sharma - Sagar)in the opening sloka indicates that when two planets

>are of the same longitudes, rahu should be taken as one of the

>karakas.

>

>The "Amshaiiha samau..." has been interpreted by at least one

>jyotishi, Nandan Chirmuley years ago on Ben Collin's jyotish list as

>meaning that when two planets have the same degrees (amsha); however,

>most others at that time thought this was not right and the entire

>longitude (degree, minutes, seconds) of two planets must be equal for

>this to happen. This is as rare as hen's teeth (that two planet in a

>given chart have the same d.m.s) hence, if rahu depended on its being

>employed when this happened, it would be perpetually unemployed in

>the chara karaka scheme!

>

>Rahu cannot be the atmakaraka obviously according to this scheme.

>

>The karakattwa matter becomes real complex when some individual begin

>looking at 8 karakas as opted by some software (separating pitri and

>matri karakas). Doing so makes it necessary to use rahu as a karaka

>in most/all cases. Let us not even go there.

>

>RR

>

>, vattem krishnan

><bursar_99> wrote:

> > Hello,

> > Can rahu be assigned the position of Atmakarak?In Jaimini it is

>stated other wise.Even in Parashara Nodes do not have any such status

>including that of Royal Cabinet?

> > krishnan

> >

> > "V. Sreelatha" <venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Hari,

> >

> > Your first question regarding AK position and aspects is answered in

> > great detail in the Jaimini Sutras. Tanvir Ji is kindly maintaining

> > the English translation in the Files section of this newsgroup.

>Scroll

> > down all the way to the bottom, to the folder called "text" and you

> > will find the zipped file.

> >

> > > > In ch 33, effect of karakans is mentioned in various rashis of

> > navamsha( not lagn chart). Also the

> > > > effect of planets as counted from from the karakans is

>explained,

> > > but

> > > > then what is the use of Karakamsha chart in which the navamsa

>rashi

> > > > of AK is considered and the lagn chart D-1 is rotated so that,

>it

> > > > (navamsa rashi of AK) becomes Asc.

> >

> > The Navamsa shows the Dharmic life of a person, just as the Rashi

> > chart shows his/her physical life. The Atmakaraka is specially

> > significant in the Navamsa, since this shows the dharma, i.e. the

> > goals of that soul. The placement of planets with reference to the

> > Karakamsa (what you refer to as the Karakamsa chart) show the dharma

> > that the soul wants to follow.

> >

> > > > Also what would be the effect of AK planet dasha?- is it true

>that

> > > > the person will be inclined towards spiritual pursuits and

> > > > materialistic/worldly aspects will take a backseat ?

> >

> > The dasha of the AK planet tries to fulfil the intentions of the

>soul.

> > Since the individual soul always desires unity with the Supreme

>Soul,

> > yes, there may be spiritual pursuits. This may be the ultimate goal

>of

> > every soul, but there may be other mundane desires that the soul

>tries

> > to fulfil during its dasa. Usually this is not what the person

>thinks

> > he/she wants, and hence the AK dasha is typically seen as painful.

>The

> > type of "push" that the dasha provides, depends on the intrinsic

> > characteristics of the planet that represents your AK - for example,

> > the Moon provides gentle and compassionate direction while Mars can

>be

> > forceful and violent, and my AK Rahu can be conniving and ruthless.

> > See this link by Pandit Sanjay Rath that explains AK and Istha

> > Devatha, if interested.

> >

> > http://www.srath.com/lectures/ak01.htm

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > Sreelatha

> >

> > , "activelisteners"

> > <activelisteners> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear vattem krishnan,

> > >

> > > Thanks for the reply. I hope that other list members would also

>have

> > > something to say about this topic and may be shed some more light

>(

> > > any practical experiences) on the questions I posted in my

>earlier

> > > mail on 'Atmakarka' for the benefit of all.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards

> > > Hari

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > Hello Members,

> > > > For a question like the one given below:

> > > > AtmaKarka in a horoscope in regards to its bhava position,

>aspect

> > > > from planets and the conjunctions of AK with other planets.

> > > >

> > > > Would the significations:

> > > > significations of the bhava in which AK is placed in lagn

> > > > chart, be important in that person life- certainly Atmakaraka

>in

> > > any body's life almost decides 50% of a natives way of life

> > > >

> > > > would that will be the area

> > > > of struggle/problems?

> > > > the reply to this could be:

> > > > In respect of benific,the result will get improved and in

>respect

> > > malefic,those karakatwas for which he would be malefic suffer.For

> > > others certainly he will be benific.

> > > > Ex Mars as Atmakarak placed in 6thH(in the sign of taurus)

> > > > will improve his agility and also make him ready for any

>situation

> > > > where as lord of 5th placed in 6th(2nd bhava) also gives money

> > > through career and employment

> > > > but difficulties from children has to be expected.Remember he

>is

> > > also lord of 12th will increase expenses suddenly.

> > > > Rest of the details with reference to navamsha the placemeny in

> > > progressive chart decides whether the results as delineated are

>going

> > > to materialise if well placed in D/9 or reversed if badly placed.

> > > > Helps also to decide Arudha Lagna an important one to further

> > > delineate.

> > > > Thanx

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > activelisteners <activelisteners> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > I am a beginner in astrology and wanted to know about the

>effect of

> > > > AtmaKarka in a horoscope in regards to its bhava position,

>aspect

> > > > from planets and the conjunctions of AK with other planets.

> > > >

> > > > Would the significations of the bhava in which AK is placed in

>lagn

> > > > chart, be important in that person life- would that will be the

> > > area

> > > > of struggle/problems?

> > > >

> > > > Also what would be the effect in special conditions like - if

>the

> > > AK

> > > > is also lagn lord or if AK is exalted in rasi or navamsha chart

>or

> > > > maybe retrograde. I read Ch. 32. Karakatwas of the Grahas and

>Ch.

> > > 33.

> > > > Effects of Karakans. in BPHS. In ch 33, effect of karakans is

> > > > mentioned in various rashis of navamsha( not lagn chart). Also

>the

> > > > effect of planets as counted from from the karakans is

>explained,

> > > but

> > > > then what is the use of Karakamsha chart in which the navamsa

>rashi

> > > > of AK is considered and the lagn chart D-1 is rotated so that,

>it

> > > > (navamsa rashi of AK) becomes Asc.

> > > >

> > > > Also what would be the effect of AK planet dasha?- is it true

>that

> > > > the person will be inclined towards spiritual pursuits and

> > > > materialistic/worldly aspects will take a backseat ?

> > > >

> > > > Please guide me.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and regards

> > > > Hari

> > > >

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January 17, 2005

Hello Members;

Parasra's support as follows:

"

Ravyandi Sani Paryanta bhavanti Saptakarakaha;

Amsaim samyam grahaih dwou cha Rahum tangunayodwijaha"

Rahu supplies gap formed when two or more planets hold the same longitude.

To avoid sharing of the of the lordships by two or more planets an exception

has been provided in the jaimini and accpeted by parasara.

Is this not clear enough to conclude karakas are only seven.

krishnan

Gili Mary <xapsarax wrote:

Dear All,

The 8 charakaraka system is a principle preferred by Jaimini, though both

Jaimini and Parasara accept the existance of two schools of thought. (Rath)

Planets with the same degrees (but different minutes) may alow a charakaraka

replacement during the person's life time.

Love,

Gili

>"rohiniranjan"