Guest guest Posted January 16, 2005 Report Share Posted January 16, 2005 Yes. You are correct ) Raymond- -- In , Shripal <d_shripal> wrote: > Hi, > > sent me her chart,Is she a Scorpio rising with Rahu in > 11th,Satun in 10th ,jupiter in 8th and mars in 9yh.Is > this chart a correct one. > --- astynaz <astynaz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I had a dyslexic moment when I typed "why I loss my > > mother and his > > drug addictive personality." > > > > I meant " why I lost my father and his drug > > addictive personality." > > > > Saying the wrong things is one of my Dyslexic > > symptoms. > > President Bush does the same thing. heheheheeh > > > > > > Thanks again for your astrological insights. I am > > going to copy and > > file for reference. > > > > > > I feel that my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD motivates me > > to help others > > and that's why I am studying to be a holistic health > > practitioner. I > > might help special needs children. My girlfriend, > > Traci is Dyslexic > > and ADHD,and she worked with special needs children. > > She is very > > spiritual and ultrasensitive like me too. I know > > that there is a > > strong chance that our children will be Dyslexic and > > ADHD. I hope > > that they don't end up on Ritalin. I hope they don't > > get > > called "retard" by other children. I hope that they > > don't get placed > > in special ed either. I don't want them being > > mistakened for being > > stupid which happens to lot of Dyslexic and ADHD > > children. I will do > > whatever I can to prevent them for going through > > what I went through > > as a child. Traci will do the same,and she has much > > experience with > > special needs kids. She will know what to do with > > our children. Too > > much emphasis on normal here in USA. Traci is > > white,and so it's an > > interracial relationship. I know that if we have > > children, they could > > go through hardships because of both mixed ethnicity > > just like I went > > through. She understands that too. I feel that Rahu > > in 7th house > > from Moon indicates her interest in interracial > > relationships. I have > > Venus conj Rahu in my Navamsha chart. > > > > Traci > > Feb 10, 1978 > > Allentown,Pennsylvania > > 2:58 AM > > > > > > > > Raymond > > > > > > > > > > , "astynaz" > > <astynaz> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thank you very for your insights, Shripal. They > > are greatly > > > appreciated by me. I agree with 100 percent on > > what you said. > > > Transiting Saturn was conjuncting my Ketu in 12th > > when I was in > > > mainstream kindergarten and in special ed with the > > mentally > > retarded > > > in 1st grade. At that time period, my mother > > married my stepfather. > > > That was long bad marriage. They got divorced in > > 1991. My mother > > also > > > had cervical cancer crises at the time. Transiting > > Saturn was > > > conjunct her 5th/12th house lord Venus in 2nd. I > > feel that is why > > she > > > experienced bad crap at the same time with me. > > > > > > > > > Man....it seems like Ketu in 12th really sucks...I > > thought it was > > one > > > of those "Damn....why me,God....I feel like I am > > cursed" > > placements. > > > heheheeh That's how I felt throughout my life. > > Studying my Vedic > > > Astrology chart and reading my Vedic Astrology > > report really gave > > me > > > insight to what my karma is. > > > > > > > > > I didn't know that you can use square aspects by > > Rahu and Ketu. I > > > never read that anywhere,but I suspected that Rahu > > and Ketu > > squaring > > > my Sun can indicate why I loss my mother and his > > drug addictive > > > personality. My Sun is in Swati which is ruled by > > Rahu,and that can > > > be an indicator. My father was extremely sensitive > > and intense > > > person,and he had a violent temper too. So Mars > > aspecting my Sun in > > > 3rd house makes sense. > > > > > > > > > Do you use moon as the ascendant too? I have > > debiliated Sun in > > > 9th,and that could indicate problems with father. > > With Ketu square > > > the Sun in 9th, it can definitely be loss of > > father. With Rahu > > square > > > the Sun in 9th,a father with addiction problems. > > > > > > > > > Both my parents had substance abuse issues,and I > > feel that could > > > because both my Moon and Sun are in nakshastra > > ruled by Rahu. My > > Moon > > > is in Satabisha. I read that Satabisha has to do > > with health issues > > > and substance abuse issues. > > > > > > > > > How is Ketu aspected by 3rd aspect of Mars? How > > does that work? I > > > know that Mars aspects the 4th,7th,and 8th houses > > from itself. I > > know > > > that my Mars aspects doesn't make those aspects to > > Ketu. > > > > > > > > > I was in the navy for 7 yrs,and it sucked. I had > > depression there. > > I > > > have service connected disability for depression. > > I only got a 10 > > > percent rating,and received 100 dollars per month > > for 3 yrs. Now I > > > have my disability upgraded to 70 percent,and now > > I get 1,000 > > dollars > > > per month. Money is no problem for me right now. > > I received a lot > > of > > > money from backpay from VA and social security for > > bipolar > > diagnosis. > > > I feel that my 8th house lord Jupiter in Scorpio > > in 4th aspecting > > 8th > > > house is why I have some luck with unearned money. > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please give me a list of books to learn > > Vedic Astrology > > > from? I really love Vedic Astrology. It's so > > accurate that it's > > > scary! hehehehehe > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Raymond > > > > > > > > > , Shripal > > <d_shripal> > > > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > 1)Rahu and Ketu in Capricon and Cancer > > > > respectively.Rahu in Capricon make a individual > > > > inclined to sadness, love of solitude,shrewdness > > and > > > > diplomacy.It gives wealth,but you don't desire > > and not > > > > very ambitious too.Ketu in Cancer gives > > fickleless > > > > love,he is surrounded by many secrets and > > mystriuos > > > > things.even prone to accident or danger while > > > > travelling.However Jupiter apect that too is not > > > > powerful in totally mitigating this effect. > > > > > > > > 2)Dispositor of Cancer where Ketu is placed is > > highly > > > > afflicted my Mars and Saturn.Ketu is afflicted > > by 3rd > > > > aspect of Mars and Mars squaring saturn,so loss > > of > > > > mother is iminent,may be > > mentally,physically,etc.As > > > > moon is good in Navmasa,may be that may be > > reason why > > > > she didn't die,But still being with you ,she > > will > > > > never be with you. > > > > > > > > 3)Sun is debiliated and squared by Rahu and > > Ketu.as I > > > > said ketu is afflicted to much.And in Navmasa > > sun is > > > > debilated and aspected by Saturn and Mars so he > > also > > > > died.Ketu even represents your ancestor,so even > > your > > > > grandfather had done a suicide. > > > > > > > > 4)Know ketu being in 12th,It is a most > > unfortunate > > > > position,It causes incessant worries and > > troubles > > > > during the whole period of occupying this house, > > or > > > > when it passes through it again, unless benefic > > > > aspects from other planets are in operation at > > the > > > > same time,like in your case jupiter,but that too > > is > > > > afflicted by Saturn,which is influenced by Mars. > > It > > > > causes loss of money, and unsatisfactory > > business > > > > transactions. It makes powerul enemies and > > merciless > > > > creditors, and is also a sign of ill-health and > > > > troubles of all kinds. > > > > > > > > 5)One more thing about ketu being in 12th,it > > gives the > > > > person with a talent for working with the sick > > or > > > > mentally insecure. It gives a drive to seek > > seclusion > > > > and an inclination to meditate. With bad aspects > > it > > > > could give an alienation from society. This > > position > > > > seems to be karmic; and there is a very definite > > > > secret, sacrificial service of some kind > > involved, > > > > depending upon sign and aspects. The person with > > the > > > > Ketu in the twelfth house may have a martyr > > complex, > > > > which must be used at its highest in sacrificial > > > > service and delving into the secrets of the > > > > subconscious, bringing them to the light of the > > > > conscious mind. This position gives many nurses > > and > > > > doctors. > > > > > > > > 6)Life is mostly built towards outward life with > > fear > > > > and imagination.Currently you are going through > > > > Saturn Mahadasa,which is not good in Birth and > > Navmasa > > > > chart both.So till 2021 ,I don't know,still what > > all > > > > thing you have to go through.But one thing is > > for > > > > sure,you will be more into spiritual things,and > > more > > > > you indulge yourself into those thing,more your > > life > > > > will be beautiful.Be like a saturn or imbibe > > saturn > > > > qualities in you,help poorer ro mentally ill > > > > person,that remedie will definately help you. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- astynaz <astynaz> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have Ketu in Cancer in 12th which is > > aspected by > > > > > 6th/7th house lord > > > > > Saturn in Taurus in 10th and 5th/8th house > > lord > > > > > Jupiter in Scorpio in > > > > > 4th. My Ketu in Cancer is disposited by Moon > > in > > > > > Aquarius in 7th > > > > > house. My Moon is in Satabisha. I also have > > Rahu in > > > > > Capricorn in > > > > > 12th house from the Moon. No planets aspect my > > Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > I am very interested in spirituality,but I > > don't > > > > > believe in being > > > > > part of any organized religion. I am preparing > > for a > > > > > career in the > > > > > holistic healing field. > > > > > > > > > > I am also a person with a history of > > > > > Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and ADD. I > > > > > have been in the special ed system for 3 > > years(1st > > > > > and 2nd grade > > > > > which I repeated). I was mistakened as > > mentally > > > > > retarded and was > > > > > ridiculed by normal kids for being in special > > > > > ed,having coordination > > > > > and speech problems. I have above average > > > > > intelligence. I do have 1st > > > > > house lord Sun, 2nd/11th house lord > > Mercury,3rd/10th > > > > > house lord Venus > > > > > in Libra in 3rd house,and so it aspects the > > 9th > > > > > house. I also have > > > > > Sun,Mercury,and Venus in 9th house from the > > Moon. I > > > > > have been > > > > > misdiagnosed as schizoaffective bipolar > > disorder. A > > > > > lot of adult > > > > > ADDers are misdiagnosed as bipolar too. I went > > to a > > > > > psychologist for > > > > > learning disability/ADHD assessment. I was > > diagnosed > > > > > inattentive type > > > > > ADHD,Generalized Anxiety Disorder,Dysthymic > > > > > Disorder,Avoidant > > > > > Personality Disorder,and per > > history:Developmental > > > > > Coordination > > > > > Disorder(notably in past). She didn't diagnose > > me > > > > > with any bipolar > > > > > nor psychotic disorder like those > > psychiatrists did. > > > > > She actually > > > > > listened to me and my mother. She did > > psychological > > > > > testing. The > > > > > psychiatrists never did that with me. I don't > > trust > > > > > psychiatrists at > > > > > all. I wonder if my Ketu in 6th house from the > > Moon > > > > > has anything to > > > > > do with being misdiagnosed as well as > > > > > hypersensitivity to > > > > > medications. I get side effects easily from > > > > > medications because of my > > > > > hypersensitive body. My Saturn is 4th house > > from the > > > > > Moon and aspects > > > > > my Ketu in 6th house. My mother has health > > problems > > > > > including > > > > > Depression,Anxiety,Diabetes,Hepatitis C,and > > Asthma. > > > > > She was shot when > > > > > I was 3 yrs old,and I was with her when it > > happened. > > > > > She had a blood > > > > > transfusion,and that is why she has Hepatitis > > C. She > > > > > is disabled from > > > > > the shooting. She hasn't worked since 1993. > > > > > > > > > > I am multiethnic too > > > > > > > > > > > > (Black,Portuguese,English,German,French,Italian,Puerto > > > > > Rican,Native > > > > > American,and Jewish) I have dealt with > > prejudice > > > > > because of my mixed > > > > > ethnic background by both blacks and whites. > > It is > > > > > my mixed ethnic > > > > > background that helped me believe in unity and > > > > > universal love. My > > > > > mother told me that my father believed the > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel that I have heavy karma. I feel that > > my > > > > > great suffering has > > > > > led to me having great compassion for people. > > I have > > > > > experienced > > > > > losses too. I never knew my father. He was out > > of my > > > > > life when I was > > > > > a year old. My mother showed me a picture when > > I was > > > > > 6 yrs old to > > > > > show her who my father was. He had drug > > problems. He > > > > > also had speech > > > > > problems like me including stammering and > > > > > stuttering. My maternal > > > > > grandfather committed suicide on Jan 25, 1998. > > His > > > > > death changed me. > > > > > It was a catalyst for me. I got back into > > believing > > > > > in God again > > > > > after 2 years of atheism. I got more > > interested in > > > > > the metaphysical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Transiting Ketu was conjunct my 12th house > > lord Moon > > > > > in 7th when he > > > > > committed suicide. > > > > > > > > > > I believe that great gain can result from a > > great > > > > > loss. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I definitely can relate to my Ketu in Cancer > > in 12th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > october 29, 1971 > > > > > 3:20 am > > > > > san francisco, california > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raymond > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raymond > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > vattem > > > > > krishnan > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Members, > > > > > > Still we r not able to decide what is > > appropriate > > > > > and not in our > > > > > group discussions.If we this is the platform > > chosen > > > > > beyond the scope > > > > > and objectivity of sharing our knowledge and > > > > > experience,certainly we > > > > > need to alert and caution.What Mr Tanvir has > > > > > attempted is the > > > > > same.Incase the opinion of group is: > > > > > > "why should > > > > > > the truth not be objectively assessed?" > > > > > > let us flash back and find is it the topic > > in the > > > > > perview of this > > > > > group to assess?Who are we and to whom we are > > posing > > > > > these isues and > > > > > what %people have interst to debate on these > > issues > > > > > and with results. > > > > > > I think Mr Manvir ji and other would also > > think > > > > > and early effort > > > > > will be made to think more on subject of Nodes > > than > > > > > make other issues > > > > > as nodal to seek opinions. > > > > > > p.s:Views on nodes are in tune iwth classics > > > > > except that in reality > > > > > when these r conjoined with other planets they > > > > > imitate as the planets > > > > > with whic they are associated.In my case Rahu > > is > > > > > associated with Mars > > > > > in a sthira rasi(Taurus) in 6th and ketu alone > > and > > > > > unaspected by any > > > > > planet in vrischik in 12th.let me also add my > > 8H is > > > > > of cancer in > > > > > which saturn.Venus and sun are associated. > > > > > > unless we get into D/9 to delineate and > > confirm > > > > > all these musings > > > > > only add to theoritical perspective. > > > > > > One of my friend happened to be twin(eldest) > > has > > > > > experience and > > > > > belief that his Ketu in it's dasa made him to > > get > > > > > all > > > > > recognitions.This is the case with his other > > brother > > > > > whose birth > > > > > happend just after 10 mts . > > > > > > so we have lot of instances where ketu made > > a > > > > > spoil sport and > > > > > reduced a brilliant student in his prime age > > unto > > > > > oblivion. > > > > > > Also a case of drug addict in his 25s made > > him to > > > > > succumb to a > > > > > premature death(by Rahu?) > > > > > > All inferences have to be made by taking > > into > > > > > wholistic approach > > > > > including stellar positions to add in to our > > theory > > > > > of Nodes. > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maniv78 <maniv78> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I must agree with this point. I have > > struggled > > > > > invariably when > > > > > > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars > > and > > > > > Rahu like Saturn in > > > > > > my experiences with countless charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that: > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective and > > > > > seperative; > > > > > > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and > > 'weird'; > > > > > > Mars makes one aggressive, active and > > dynamic; > > > > > > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and > > loaded > > > > > with excessive > > > > > > desires; > > > > > > > > > > > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the > > signs that > > > > > signify satwic > > > > > > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ Sagittarius) > > in the > > > > > charts of great > > > > > > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement in > > > > > materialistic signs > > > > > > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these > > > > > configurations clearly > > > > > > indicate its disconnection with satwic > > > > > inclinations which is more > > > > > in > > > > > > line with nature of Mars then that of > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above in > > mind > > > > > would be that > > > > > > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars > > like > > > > > Rahu. Of course, > > > > > Mars > > > > > > does have similarities with Ketu (technical > > > > > faculties, intensity); > > > > > > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); > > but they > > > > > fail to form > > > > > > conclusive parallels when considering the > > key > > > > > significations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction > > to > > > > > Mukund's post, (which > > > > > > was not aimed at you initially) has > > depreciated my > > > > > respect for you > > > > > > greatly. Your response was clearly driven by > > an > > > > > urge to demonstrate > > > > > > your superior knowledge, qualify the > > drawbacks of > > > > > Islam by > > > > > > disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism > > and the > > > > > ego created by > > > > > > your status as owner of this group. > > > > > > No one participating on this board is > > irrational > > > > > enough to believe > > > > > > that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; > > general > > > > > statements about > > > > > > religious groups/castes/races never have > > > > > substance. However the > > > > > > indisputable fact remains that the majority > > of > > > > > terrorist activity > > > > > is > > > > > > carried out by groups that come under the > > banner > > > > > of Islam. Maybe > > > > > > it's politically incorrect to make such > > > > > statements; but why should > > > > > > the truth not be objectively assessed? > > > > > > I realize that this is board for discussions > > on > > > > > Jyotish and related > > > > > > spiritualism so I apologize for lengthening > > this > > > > > thread. If you had > > > > > > warned Mukundji politely and then > > subsequently > > > > > ignored his reaction > > > > > > to your allegations about his character then > > > > > perhaps this line of > > > > > > debate could have been avoided altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "maniv78" > > > > > <maniv78> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > Shripal > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing Jup+ > > Ketu > > > > > gives us > > > > > > > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have > > analysed > > > > > several > > > > > > > > charts ,you will also find,people who > > are > > > > > having > > > > > > > > Jup+Sat are also spritually > > inclined.Have you > > > > > ever > > > > > > > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual > > > > > inclination,than Ketu > > > > > > > > like Mars holds false. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget about > > myth > > > > > too,know > > > > > > > > since ages astrology has changed a lot > > and be > > > > > > > > practical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What I > > said > > > > > was > > > > > > > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic > > part.If > > > > > ketu is > > > > > > > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is > > Bad it > > > > > act like > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What I > > am > > > > > saying is > > > > > > > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself in > > diff > > > > > > > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even > > 7th > > > > > aspect is > > > > > > > > not there.But they influence various > > houses in > > > > > > > > chart,because bottom line they are > > shadow > > > > > planets.What > > > > > > > > is shadow.All materialistic things which > > > > > exists in > > > > > > > > this world we always have a shadow.So > > planets > > > > > squaring > > > > > > > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected > > with > > > > > > > > planets,there shadows are reflected on > > other > > > > > > > > house,That's how they get a good and bad > > > > > results of > > > > > > > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing 'SHANIVAD > > RAHU > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > > > > > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] > > principle > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > JAATAKA > > > > > > > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups > > both > > > > > the nodes > > > > > > > > > similar to SATURN > > > > > > > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs > > Mrg.)]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature > > of > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in > > order > > > > > to divert > > > > > > > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu > > takes > > > > > benefic > > > > > > > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am eager to know which text supports > > the > > > > > above > > > > > > > > > statement, as I have > > > > > > > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > > > > > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL > > > > > examples(charts) > > > > > > > > > with the group > > > > > > > > > using THIS principle, it would be > > better > > > > > understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , > > > > > Shripal > > > > > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all > > qualities of > > > > > Rahu and > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > as individual and every word retun > > is true > > > > > in all > > > > > > > > > > respect.Something addition to > > that.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied > > > > > soul,which are > > > > > > > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are even > > known > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > Shadow > > > > > > > > > > planets.Shadow of each and > > everything > > > > > which exist > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a > > shadow,as they > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and > > Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic nature > > of > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > > why is makes one suffer too much,in > > order > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > divert > > > > > > > > > > him towards Spirituality.while Rahu > > takes > > > > > benefic > > > > > > > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, > > > > > cheerful, > > > > > > > > > > affectionate, expansive, optimistic > > and > > > > > popular > > > > > > > > > > influence over the affairs of the > > house in > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > falls, brings out the more positive > > > > > potentials of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > sign in which it is placed, and > > favours > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > functions > > > > > > > > > > and energies signified by any > > planets or > > > > > points to > > > > > > > > > > which it forms a conjunction or > > harmonious > > > > > aspect > > > > > > > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing > > benefit > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > gains). > > > > > > > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful > > > > > influence upon, > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > brings binding, delaying or impeding > > > > > restrictions > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > obligations in relation to the > > affairs of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > house it > > > > > > > > > > occupies; brings out the more > > negative > > > > > potentials > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the sign in which it is posited and > > > > > disfavours > > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious aspect > > with > > > > > it (the > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > particularly bringing losses and > > > > > troubles). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's > > Rahu > > > > > and Ketu > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > relating to one's subconscious > > Attachment > > > > > vs > > > > > > > > > Conscious > > > > > > > > > > growth.Ketu represents subconscious > > > > > motivations > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > stem from the past and to which > > there is > > > > > an inner > > > > > > > > > > inclination to cling although they > > may no > > > > > longer > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > relevant or appropriate to the > > > > > individual's > > > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu > > represents > > > > > conscious > > > > > > > > > > motivations relevant to the present > > and > > > > > future, > > > > > > > > > > characterised by a desire for the > > > > > unfoldment of > > > > > > > > > > appropriate changes in personal > > > > > psychology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and > > faculties > > > > > > > > > inherited > > > > > > > > > > from former incarnations or 'past > > lives', > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > > > > > > > self-development in > > > > > > > > > > the current incarnation in order to > > attain > > > > > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the > > successful > > > > > > > > > realisation of > > > > > > > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary goals > > from > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are > > there(Rahu > > > > > and Ketu) > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > not only one of them exist.That too > > they > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > to each other all the time and > > > > > retograting.I am > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > talking in terms of there technical > > > > > > > > > existence.Reason > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > Ketu principles are not to be > > completely > > > > > > > > > overthrown > > > > > > > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in > > > > > harmonious > > > > > > > > > balance > > > > > > > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new > > growth > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > reach > > > > > > > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated > > struggle. > > > > > > > > > Harmonious > > > > > > > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions to > > the > > > > > Rahu will > > > > > > > > > > indicate relatively easy progress > > along > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > journey > > > > > > > > > > towards this goal, while > > inharmonious > > > > > aspects and > > > > > > > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate > > > > > difficulties. > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > individual will frequently, on > > > > > encountering > > > > > > > > > obstacles, > > > > > > > > > > be consciously inclined to give up > > and > > > > > return to > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > safety of the Ketu, through weakness > > of > > > > > resolve > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > than through absolute force or > > obligation. > > > > > But as > > > > > > > > > > always with stressful aspects, the > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > rewards of > > > > > > > > > > achievement can be greater and more > > > > > spiritually > > > > > > > > > > satisfying than would be attained by > > an > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > passage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally > > and by > > > > > transit > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > progression, show the manner in > > which the > > > > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be > > worked out. > > > > > > > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce > > forced > > > > > growth; > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > those to the Ketu encourage > > conditioned > > > > > responses. > > > > > > > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of > > > > > interest > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual > > towards > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > and house placement of the squared > > > > > planet.It > > > > > > > > > creates a > > > > > > > > > > tension for a individual in there > > growth. > > > > > > > > > Quincunxes > > > > > > > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved > > notion of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring > > > > > opportunities for > > > > > > > > > > constructive growth, while trines > > bring > > > > > easy > > > > > > > > > > growth.That you all must be knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article > > Nodes > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about > > our > > > > > interaction > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit > > <yogitapurohit> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an > > article of > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient > > astrological > > > > > system of > > > > > > > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major > > points > > > > > in natal > > > > > > > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, > > > > > especially in > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > transit movements through the > > birth > > > > > chart. As > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to Western astrological > > systems > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > tends > > > > > > > > > > > to view nodes as favourable > > influences, > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as malefic > > > > > forces, > > > > > > > > > > > responsible for chronic diseases, > > loss, > > > > > > > > > sufferings, > > > > > > > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and > > other > > > > > maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a > > strong > > > > > tendency > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > view the lunar nodes as something > > to do > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > karma—the accumulated lesson's of > > one > > > > > past > > > > > > > > > lives. In > > > > > > > > > > > this view, popularized by such > > authors > > > > > as Martin > > > > > > > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology > > series, the > > > > > north > > > > > > > > > nde > > > > > > > > > > > represents what we should be > > striving > > > > > towards in > > > > > > > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic > > goal > > > > > for us to > > > > > > > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed as > > the > > > > > past that > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold > > onto. > > > > > > > > > Proponents of > > > > > > > > > > > this view contend, that by looking > > at > > > > > the sign > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > house placements of the nodes, > > one's > > > > > karmic past > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. > > Curiously > > > > > nodes are > > > > > > > > > > > given rather strong importance in > > natal > > > > > chart > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom > > looked at > > > > > closely > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > transit analysis of the here and > > now of > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and Cosmobiological > > > > > system of > > > > > > > > > > > Germany, the nodes are interpreted > > as > > > > > having a > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > to do with interpersonal > > relationships, > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of the > > > > > Uranian > > > > > > > > > > > astrological system strongly > > propounded > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key in > > > > > determining > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > social the person was and, as > > opposed to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > American view, looked in at the > > transit > > > > > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other > > planet > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > indicate where and what nature > > one's > > > > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, > > however, > > > > > while the > > > > > > > > > > > nodes may have something to do > > with > > > > > one's karma > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > may involve relationships with > > others, > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic > > > > > influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of > > origin of > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu > > occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed to > > taste > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > swallow > > > > > > > > > > > the amrita just before the > > dismemberment > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > therefore was unable to be killed. > > > > > Because of > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists > > > > > eternally in > > > > > > > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by > > sun and > > > > > moon, > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those 2 > > > > > planets, > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon > > during > > > > > solar and > > > > > > > > > lunar > > > > > > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU—THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the origin > > or > > > > > story of > > > > > > > > > rahu , > > > > > > > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar as > > it was > > > > > able to > > > > > > > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only > > > > > temporarily. In > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, rahu > > has > > > > > rulership > > > > > > > > > > > over con artists, liars, illusions > > and > > > > > cheats, > > > > > > > > > Since > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only the head and part of > > the > > > > > body of an > > > > > > > > > > > immortal demon it is always > > constantly > > > > > hungy, > > > > > > > > > > > whatever food eaten never reaches > > the > > > > > whole body > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And > > because > > > > > of this > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable > > material > > > > > desires . > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > matter how much it gets it always > > wants > > > > > more and > > > > > > > > > > > because of this rahu is closely > > > > > associated with > > > > > > > > > > > addictions and > > obsessive/compulsive > > > > > behaviour > > > > > > > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules > > > > > poisons, drugs, > > > > > > > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive > > > > > gambling, sex > > > > > > > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. > > Rahu > > > > > also rules > > > > > > > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational > > fears. > > > > > Because > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it > > also has > > > > > domain > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > sufferings in general, especially > > > > > chronic > > > > > > > > > diseases > > > > > > > > > > > and events that are sudden and > > seem > > > > > fated and > > > > > > > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to > > > > > impersonate a > > > > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > > > > > at a considerable risk to itself( > > a > > > > > gamble which > > > > > > > > > > > eventually was lost by demon body > > > > > leading to > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated > > with > > > > > reckless > > > > > > > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. > > Rahu > > > > > can make > > > > > > > > > > > people do things they otherwise > > would > > > > > not by > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > them throw caution to wind and > > thinking > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned from > > the > > > > > vedic myth > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always > > temporary. > > > > > In the > > > > > > > > > myth > > > > > > > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods > > for a > > > > > while, but > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > found at the end and suffered for > > it. > > > > > Likewise, > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu > > may give > > > > > > > > > material > > > > > > > > > > > success, drive, fame and ambition, > > but > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > gifts > > > > > > > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It is > > a > > > > > virtual > > > > > > > > > axiom in > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained > > with > > > > > rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > influence will eventually flitter > > away > > > > > and be > > > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu > > teaches is > > > > > this : > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > can't take it with you .The moment > > you > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > you have attained lasting success > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly > > the > > > > > moment when > > > > > > > > > > > rahu will take away that success, > > > > > leaving you > > > > > > > > > hungry > > > > > > > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot > > have it > > > > > again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU—THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of rahu > > called > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > dragon's > > > > > > > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is exact > > > > > opposite of > > > > > > > > > rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality > > and > > > > > materialism > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and > > > > > non-materiality. > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > this respect ketu acts like > > Neptune. But > > > > > ketu's > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy > > price tag. > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu brings > > > > > spirituality > > > > > > > > > onto > > > > > > > > > > > people by making them suffer. It > > is > > > > > almost as if > > > > > > > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a > > > > > person's life, > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to > > divine > > > > > for help > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and > > > > > non-material, > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > influence creates denial and > > sometimes > > > > > > > > > abandonment. > > > > > > > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu > > closely > > > > > conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the > > mother > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > typically report that their mother > > was > > > > > > > > > emotionally > > > > > > > > > > > or physically unavailable when the > > > > > person was > > > > > > > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very > > mystic, > > > > > occult, > > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also > > bring > > > > > with it > > > > > > > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be aware > > of > > > > > with ketu > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > that it rules diseases of unknown > > origin > > > > > (like > > > > > > > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, > > parkinson's > > > > > etc.,)or > > > > > > > > > > > disease that can get misdiagonised > > or > > > > > mistreated > > > > > > > > > > > this is because of ketu's hidden, > > > > > mysterious > > > > > > > > > > > quality. It can be most insidious > > > > > influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given above > > I > > > > > would also > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > to mention certain more points on > > the > > > > > nodes > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > come across while studying > > different > > > > > horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also > > mentioned in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > article > > > > > > > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are > > > > > unsatisfied nodes. > > > > > > > > > E.g > > > > > > > > > > > for this I would like to mention > > here is > > > > > that I > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > working as an astrologer with a > > very > > > > > reputed > > > > > > > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was > > filthy > > > > > rich and > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > having all materialistic pleasures > > of > > > > > life he > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his age > > is > > > > > near about > > > > > > > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain > > about > > > > > having > > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfied physical relationship > > with > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > wife, he > > > > > > > > > > > felt still there is something > > lacking to > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > more popular world wide, he had > > past > > > > > broken > > > > > > > > > affair > > > > > > > > > > > and at this age too he was longing > > a > > > > > > > > > companionship > > > > > > > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was seen > > that > > > > > his was > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus asc. With Rahu in it and > > ketu- > > > > > guru in > > > > > > > > > > > scorpio. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although rahu did not give him > > disturbed > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > broken > > > > > > > > > > > marriage life he is still with > > wife may > > > > > be due > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > presence of Jupiter in 7th could > > be > > > > > saving point > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > his marital life (here I want > > group > > > > > member to > > > > > > > > > > > discuss what would have made him > > save > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > marriage) > > > > > > > > > > > but he has grudges against his > > wife. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, the second point I have seen > > is > > > > > Mars and > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > mostly in 7th and 5th houses in > > > > > horoscopes > > > > > > > > > > > (irrespective of signs placed) > > have > > > > > given those > > > > > > > > > > > native questionable characters and > > > > > sometimes > > > > > > > > > even to > > > > > > > > > > > the extent of satisfying their > > physical > > > > > desires > > > > > > > > > > > before marriage and afterwards > > getting > > > > > separated > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > married elsewhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What points in this planetary > > > > > combinations gives > > > > > > > > > > > such effects does Mars has > > something to > > > > > do with > > > > > > > > > > > character of person apart from it > > hot > > > > > qualities > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > rashness, arroagancy, forceful > > energy > > > > > drives > > > > > > > > > etc., > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome points or > > discussion > > > > > from Rupji > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > respected members of the group > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanking You > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All your favorites on one > > personal page > > > > > ETry > > > > > > > > > My > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > > > > > "Love is friendship set to music." > > > > > > > > > > "Love conquers all." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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