Guest guest Posted January 17, 2005 Report Share Posted January 17, 2005 Dear Shripal A good idea would be to read the Journal of Astrology, which brings out these divisional chart researches regularly. - "Shripal" <d_shripal <> Monday, January 17, 2005 11:06 AM Re: Re: Nodes > > Hi Rohiniji,Maniv and ALL > > I totally agree,But you have articles about How to > study those divisional charts.I am curious about > that.I want to go depth in that part of astrology. > > It will make a matter more clearer. > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: > > > > > Maniv, > > > > Your posts are very thoughtful and > > thought-provoking. Thanks! > > > > I have seen this tendency even in experienced > > players on the field of > > jyotish to focus on one layer sometimes and whether > > this is really > > what they only looked at or it is difficult to > > encapsulate their > > entire thought process, much of which they are > > perhaps unaware of, > > into one post that could give this tendency. > > > > It is good of you to remind all that each divisional > > is part of the > > whole and a contributor, strong, or weak. The > > important thing is, is > > it harmonious to the other layers? One strong player > > in a team may > > bring about wins, but the team really does not work > > as a team in that > > case -- he or she might just play alone, for that > > matter :-) > > > > Indeed, dashamsha has been undersold as a chart of > > occupation. It is > > simply the chart of karma, of duties, the game plan. > > A strong > > vimshamsha and in some cases a strong sattwic in > > 10th has been shown > > to be an underutilized asset -- particularly when > > the total karmic > > sense is being looked at. Like nuggets of gold > > glittering from a pile > > of cattle-droppings (don't ask me how it got > > there!). Albeit, some > > would be able to hold their noses and wash the gold > > nuggets out of > > the crap, but many will simply walk away or worse -- > > cover the heap > > of dung with more rubbish and soil and now one > > cannot even see the > > gold nuggets anymore! > > > > I take a strong vimshamsha (whatever that means and > > that could mean > > different things) as an indication of one coming > > with some pre- > > experience in that area. Same with a strong navamsha > > (strong > > experience and inherent maturity regarding > > relationships and the > > dharma of relationships) and a strong saptamsha with > > experience in > > parenting. However, the assets may or may not be > > utilized or may be > > expressed differently. A celibate with a good > > saptamamsha may turn > > out to be a great teacher, a spiritual leader with a > > strong navamsha, > > vimshamsha might bring spirituality into focus > > through sexual > > metaphors, etc. > > > > Blending of what is there and what will be expressed > > has always been > > a tough call for jyotishis (all divinators) and even > > in that > > dashamsha alone, the chart of karma alone is not > > adequate for > > deciphering that. > > > > This kind of multiple considerations gets confusing > > beyond a certain > > point for different individuals. The beauty of > > astrology is that even > > if one works with just one layer (rashi) they can be > > effective in > > helping others, even though there will be misses and > > mistakes. > > However, these mistakes might be fewer than one who > > tries to look at > > many things, beyond their capacity and ends up > > confused. I know I am > > digressing a bit here for this has nothing to do > > with the subject at > > hand, but hopefully readers will tolerate same. > > > > Perhaps the ancient keepers of jyotish were > > pre-aware of this hence > > the reference to special techniques such as > > ashtakvarga for jyotishis > > of Kaliyuga (as stated by Parashara). Mind you, I > > have always been > > intrigued by this in early days. I mean, compared to > > many other > > techniques, ashtakavarga is more complex and > > involved in terms of > > keeping all those points together and so on -- so > > what was Parashara > > thinking? Well, in the last 10-20 years, the scene > > has changed and > > computers have made it possible to do away with all > > the cumbersome > > calculations and true to modern fast foods and > > packaged precooked > > foods, the dinner is ready insofar as jyotish is > > concerned! Not that > > it would now not give one a big indigestion and less > > than optimum > > health -- just as fast food and packaged food loaded > > with > > preservatives! > > > > RR > > > > , "maniv78" > > <maniv78> > > wrote: > > > > > > Kadrudraji, > > > > > > Material 'norms' change with time and of course it > > is logical that > > > we replace elephants with the finest cars - that's > > fairly obvious - > > > but what is not clear is the impact of the change > > in environmental, > > > sociocultural 'norms' which are very important > > influencing factors. > > > That is my point. For example does an exalted > > Jupiter in a Kendra > > > endow one with intense spiritual inclinations if > > the society in > > > which he lives is 95% materialistically driven? > > Surely this energy > > > would be diverted to fulfill sense driven > > ambitions? > > > > > > I have checked the Vimamsa charts (having a > > powerful Vimamsa chart > > > doesn't not necessarily result in a renowned > > spiritualists); The > > > Dasamsa or 'Mahatphalam' as Parashar called it, is > > used to asses > > > achievements/role in society and more important, > > ones general > > > direction and outer influence in life. For a Saint > > this > > > direction/influence would be spiritually > > orientated and hence this > > > should clearly show in this chart. It is not > > limited to > > > career/professional activities. > > > > > > Take a look at as many charts as you can of great > > Saints and draw > > > your own conclusions. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > , > > "kadrudra" > > <kadrudra> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > Surely, 'norms' change with time, retaining > > their main idea, > > > varying > > > > in applications. Otherwise dictum like > > > > 'if planets exalted A,B are in 4th or 11th one > > gets elephants, > > > horses > > > > and chariots...' would prove astrology wrong! > > > > As norms change, elephants, horses and chariots > > are replaced with > > > > bull-dozers,trucks,buses and cars and these are > > > > accepted truths. Well, its good that you checked > > D-10 charts of > > > > Yogis, but if I could make a suggestion, > > Dashamsha > > > > or D-10 chart deals with 'Materialistic' persuit > > and the division > > > > dealing with Spiritual success is > > Vimshamsha(D-20). > > > > > > > > Hope you get some clues from that too, as to why > > ancestors > > > compared > > > > nodes with Sat/Mar. > > > > > > > > yours humbly > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "maniv78" <maniv78> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kadji; > > > > > > > > > > My post was an expansion on the message that > > challenged the old > > > > > dictum that we are also familiar with. I do > > not consider this > > to > > > be > > > > > the only factor when assessing the impact of > > the Nodes but did > > > find > > > > > the logic more digestible that Mars is like > > Rahu and Saturn > > like > > > > > Ketu that Shripalji put forward. > > > > > > > > > > I agree that our 'ancestors' established this > > principle after a > > > > > level of study which we can only dream of > > aspiring too; bit I > > > also > > > > > feel that such ambiguous theories do not > > remain static and they > > > may > > > > > evolve with time. Centuries ago, in an > > environment where the > > > > > majority of the population was spiritually > > inclined and the > > > popular > > > > > culture was Vedic, Rahu's energy of > > drive/passion/desire would > > > have > > > > > been directed to mostly spiritual pursuits > > while Ketu's energy > > > may > > > > > have led one astray to black magic or to > > withdraw from > > spiritual > > > > > activities which then were the 'norm'. Ketu in > > this age still > > > > > withdraws one from the 'norm' but that 'norm' > > has changed to > > > > > materialism which may explain Ketu's spiritual > > dimension. This > > > is > > > > by > > > > > no means a rigid proposition; just a simple > > suggestion as to > > why > > > > > this rule may have been set out as it was. > > > > > > > > > > I can not say with certainly that Rahu does > > not lead to Moksh > > > and > > > > > Ketu to aggression,(many contributing > > factors/energies effect > > > such > > > > > significations) but I have observed in the > > charts of the great > > > > > spiritualists (Sivananda, Swaminarayan > > ,Ramkrishana etc) and > > > > > religiously inclined individuals - especially > > the Dasamsa - > > > > > patterns that much my above statements. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > , > > "kadrudra" > > > <kadrudra> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Maniv, > > > > > > > > > > > > I do not advise to stick on to the principle > > 'Rahu like > > Saturn > > > > and > > > > > > Kethu like Mars' but I do think that it was > > coined after > > > > > > an extensive study of the planets, obviously > > by much more > > > > > experienced > > > > > > ancestors and I don't think that they would > > do it SIMPLY > > > > > > LIKE THAT, without much study. Whether one > > gets success, > > > involves > > > > > > many factors and not only dictums, whatever > > may be the number > > > > > > of charts one has looked at. Rather than > > comparing shadow > > > planets > > > > > to > > > > > > other planets, I would humbly place them > > separately to > > > > > > judge the chart. Otherwise, we are losing > > enormous amount of > > > > > > information they reveal, by themselves and > > as occupants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About nodes and Sat/Mar in your post, small > > doubt is - Are > > you > > > > > sure > > > > > > Rahu does not lead to Spiritualism/Moksha? > > > > > > Are you sure Kethu does not make one > > attached or aggressive > > > like > > > > > > Mars? Or does that mean that you have not > > found > > > > > > success using classical dictums?..just > > curious! > > > > > > > > > > > > yours > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "maniv78" > > > <maniv78> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I must agree with this point. I have > > struggled invariably > > > when > > > > > > > applying the dictum that Ketu is like Mars > > and Rahu like > > > Saturn > > > > > in > > > > > > > my experiences with countless charts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn makes one detached, introspective > > and seperative; > > > > > > > Ketu makes one introverted, psychic and > > 'weird'; > > > > > > > Mars makes one aggressive, active and > > dynamic; > > > > > > > Rahu makes one opportunistic, violent and > > loaded with > > > excessive > > > > > > > desires; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And that Ketu is commonly placed in the > > signs that signify > > > > > satwic > > > > > > > tendencies (Pisces /Capricorn/ > > Sagittarius) in the charts > > of > > > > > great > > > > > > > spiritualists. Rahu's opposite placement > > in materialistic > > > signs > > > > > > > (Virgo/Cancer (mildly)/Gemini) in these > > configurations > > > clearly > > > > > > > indicate its disconnection with satwic > > inclinations which > > is > > > > > more > > > > > > in > > > > > > > line with nature of Mars then that of > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus a logical conclusion with the above > > in mind would be > > > that > > > > > > > Saturn is in fact more like Ketu and Mars > > like Rahu. Of > > > course, > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > does have similarities with Ketu > > (technical faculties, > > > > > intensity); > > > > > > > and Saturn with Rahu (addictions, vices); > > but they fail to > > > form > > > > > > > conclusive parallels when considering the > > key > > significations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maniv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Tanvirji, your very personal reaction > > to Mukund's > > post, > > > > > (which > > > > > > > was not aimed at you initially) has > > depreciated my respect > > > for > > > > > you > > > > > > > greatly. Your response was clearly driven > > by an urge to > > > > > demonstrate > > > > > > > your superior knowledge, qualify the > > drawbacks of Islam by > > > > > > > disqualifying certain aspects of Hinduism > > and the ego > > > created > > > > by > > > > > > > your status as owner of this group. > > > > > > > No one participating on this board is > > irrational enough to > > > > > believe > > > > > > > that Muslims as a whole are terrorists; > > general statements > > > > about > > > > > > > religious groups/castes/races never have > > substance. However > > > the > > > > > > > indisputable fact remains that the > > majority of terrorist > > > > > activity > > > > > > is > > > > > > > carried out by groups that come under the > > banner of Islam. > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > it's politically incorrect to make such > > statements; but why > > > > > should > > > > > > > the truth not be objectively assessed? > > > > > > > I realize that this is board for > > discussions on Jyotish and > > > > > related > > > > > > > spiritualism so I apologize for > > lengthening this thread. If > > > you > > > > > had > > > > > > > warned Mukundji politely and then > > subsequently ignored his > > > > > reaction > > > > > > > to your allegations about his character > > then perhaps this > > > line > > > > > of > > > > > > > debate could have been avoided altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "maniv78" > > > > > <maniv78> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > Shripal > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me clarify,you must be knowing > > Jup+ Ketu gives us > > > > > > > > > a spiritual Inclination.You you have > > analysed several > > > > > > > > > charts ,you will also find,people who > > are having > > > > > > > > > Jup+Sat are also spritually > > inclined.Have you ever > > > > > > > > > heard Jup+ Mars give a spiritual > > inclination,than Ketu > > > > > > > > > like Mars holds false. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's forget about this too,Forget > > about myth too,know > > > > > > > > > since ages astrology has changed a lot > > and be > > > > > > > > > practical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So know even Jaataka is not wrong.What > > I said was > > > > > > > > > malefic part,Let me tell you benefic > > part.If ketu is > > > > > > > > > Good ,it act like Mars and If Rahu is > > Bad it act like > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's what you are saying.What > > I am saying is > > > > > > > > > very practical,Isn't it?.Try yourself > > in diff > > > > > > > > > charts,you will come to know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shadow planets don't have aspect,even > > 7th aspect is > > > > > > > > > not there.But they influence various > > houses in > > > > > > > > > chart,because bottom line they are > > shadow planets.What > > > > > > > > > is shadow.All materialistic things > > which exists in > > > > > > > > > this world we always have a shadow.So > > planets squaring > > > > > > > > > it up,aspecting, or some how connected > > with > > > > > > > > > planets,there shadows are reflected on > > other > > > > > > > > > house,That's how they get a good and > > bad results of > > > > > > > > > that house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Till now I have been hearing > > 'SHANIVAD RAHU - > > > > > > > > > > KUJAVAT KETHU'[Rahu > > > > > > > > > > like Saturn and Kethu like Mars] > > principle from > > > > > > > > > > JAATAKA > > > > > > > > > > texts whereas TAAJIKA/TAAJAKA groups > > both the nodes > > > > > > > > > > similar to SATURN > > > > > > > > > > [....sheShamanyat ca MANDAVAT...(Prs > > Mrg.)]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your post: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic > > nature of > > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > > >why is makes one suffer too much,in > > order to divert > > > > > > > > > > >him towards Spirituality.while Rahu > > takes benefic > > > > > > > > > > >nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am eager to know which text > > supports the above > > > > > > > > > > statement, as I have > > > > > > > > > > not heard of this MYTH till now. > > > > > > > > > > If you could share some PRACTICAL > > examples(charts) > > > > > > > > > > with the group > > > > > > > > > > using THIS principle, it would be > > better understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > > > > > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , Shripal > > > > > > > > > > <d_shripal> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article contains almost all > > qualities of Rahu and > > > > > > > > > > Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > as individual and every word retun > > is true in all > > > > > > > > > > > respect.Something addition to > > that.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu are both unsatisfied > > soul,which are > > > > > > > > > > > striving for Moksha.As they are > > even known as a > > > > > > > > > > Shadow > > > > > > > > > > > planets.Shadow of each and > > everything which exist > > > > > > > > > > as a > > > > > > > > > > > materialistic in this world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonder why GOds never had a > > shadow,as they are > > > > > > > > > > free > > > > > > > > > > > souls from deception of Rahu and > > Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AS per myth,Ketu is a Malefic > > nature of > > > > > > > > > > Saturn,that's > > > > > > > > > > > why is makes one suffer too > > much,in order to > > > > > > > > > > divert > > > > > > > > > > > him towards Spirituality.while > > Rahu takes benefic > > > > > > > > > > > nature of Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu casts a favorable, fortunate, > > cheerful, > > > > > > > > > > > affectionate, expansive, > > optimistic and popular > > > > > > > > > > > influence over the affairs of the > > house in which > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > falls, brings out the more > > positive potentials of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > sign in which it is placed, and > > favours the > > > > > > > > > > functions > > > > > > > > > > > and energies signified by any > > planets or points to > > > > > > > > > > > which it forms a conjunction or > > harmonious aspect > > > > > > > > > > > (with the Moon especially bringing > > benefit and > > > > > > > > > > gains). > > > > > > > > > > > The Ketu, casts a malefic, harmful > > influence upon, > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > brings binding, delaying or > > impeding restrictions > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > obligations in relation to the > > affairs of the > > > > > > > > > > house it > > > > > > > > > > > occupies; brings out the more > > negative potentials > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the sign in which it is posited > > and disfavours > > > > > > > > > > planets > > > > > > > > > > > in conjuction or inharmonious > > aspect with it (the > > > > > > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > > > particularly bringing losses and > > troubles). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But other look of this Moon Node's > > Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > relating to one's subconscious > > Attachment vs > > > > > > > > > > Conscious > > > > > > > > > > > growth.Ketu represents > > subconscious motivations > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > stem from the past and to which > > there is an inner > > > > > > > > > > > inclination to cling although they > > may no longer > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > relevant or appropriate to the > > individual's > > > > > > > > > > situation > > > > > > > > > > > and prospects, while the Rahu > > represents conscious > > > > > > > > > > > motivations relevant to the > > present and future, > > > > > > > > > > > characterised by a desire for the > > unfoldment of > > > > > > > > > > > appropriate changes in personal > > psychology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu indicates capabilities and > > faculties > > > > > > > > > > inherited > > > > > > > > > > > from former incarnations or 'past > > lives', while > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu shows the ideal direction for > > > > > > > > > > self-development in > > > > > > > > > > > the current incarnation in order > > to attain > > > > > > > > > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual fulfilment and the > > successful > > > > > > > > > > realisation of > > > > > > > > > > > one's pre-chosen evolutionary > > goals from this > > > > > > > > > > > lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ever any thought why Two are > > there(Rahu and Ketu) > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > not only one of them exist.That > > too they are > > > > > > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > > > to each other all the time and > > retograting.I am > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > talking in terms of there > > technical > > > > > > > > > > existence.Reason > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu principles are not to be > > completely > > > > > > > > > > overthrown > > > > > > > > > > > and discarded, but rather kept in > > harmonious > > > > > > > > > > balance > > > > > > > > > > > with those of the Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is regarded as a goal of new > > growth the > > > > > > > > > > reach > > > > > > > > > > > for which is a dimly illuminated > > struggle. > > > > > > > > > > Harmonious > > > > > > > > > > > aspects and benefic conjunctions > > to the Rahu will > > > > > > > > > > > indicate relatively easy progress > > along the > > > > > > > > > > journey > > > > > > > > > > > towards this goal, while > > inharmonious aspects and > > > > > > > > > > > malefic conjunctions will indicate > > difficulties. > > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > > > individual will frequently, on > > encountering > > > > > > > > > > obstacles, > > > > > > > > > > > be consciously inclined to give up > > and return to > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > safety of the Ketu, through > > weakness of resolve > > > > > > > > > > rather > > > > > > > > > > > than through absolute force or > > obligation. But as > > > > > > > > > > > always with stressful aspects, the > > ultimate > > > > > > > > > > rewards of > > > > > > > > > > > achievement can be greater and > > more spiritually > > > > > > > > > > > satisfying than would be attained > > by an easy > > > > > > > > > > passage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects to the nodes, both natally > > and by transit > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > progression, show the manner in > > which the > > > > > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > > > > towards the Rahu goals will be > > worked out. > > > > > > > > > > > Conjunctions to the Rahu induce > > forced growth; > > > > > > > > > > while > > > > > > > > > > > those to the Ketu encourage > > conditioned responses. > > > > > > > > > > > Squares accentuate the conflict of > > interest > > > > > > > > > > between > > > > > > > > > > > the nodes, and pull the individual > > towards the > > > > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > and house placement of the squared > > planet.It > > > > > > > > > > creates a > > > > > > > > > > > tension for a individual in there > > growth. > > > > > > > > > > Quincunxes > > > > > > > > > > > to the Rahu show a misperceieved > > notion of the > > > > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > > > > to attain growth. Sextiles bring > > opportunities for > > > > > > > > > > > constructive growth, while trines > > bring easy > > > > > > > > > > > growth.That you all must be > > knowing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will soon be coming with Article > > Nodes in > > > > > > > > > > > Synastry.Detail explanation about > > our interaction > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > daily life materialistic objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- yogita purohit > > <yogitapurohit> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to put forth an > > article of Rahu > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > have among my collection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Jyotish, the ancient > > astrological system of > > > > > > > > > > > > India, the lunar nodes are major > > points in natal > > > > > > > > > > > > chart and are closely looked at, > > especially in > > > > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > > > transit movements through the > > birth chart. As > > > > > > > > > > > > opposed to Western astrological > > systems which > > > > > > > > > > tends > > > > > > > > > > > > to view nodes as favourable > > influences, Jyotish > > > > > > > > > > > > regards the lunar nodes as > > malefic forces, > > > > > > > > > > > > responsible for chronic > > diseases, loss, > > > > > > > > > > sufferings, > > > > > > > > > > > > "fatedEcataclysmic events and > > other maladies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In western astrology there is a > > strong tendency > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > view the lunar nodes as > > something to do with > > > > > > > > > > one's > > > > > > > > > > > > karma-the accumulated lesson's > > of one past > > > > > > > > > > lives. In > > > > > > > > > > > > this view, popularized by such > > authors as Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > Schulman of Karmic Astrology > > series, the north > > > > > > > > > > nde > > > > > > > > > > > > represents what we should be > > striving towards in > > > > > > > > > > > > this life time, a sort of karmic > > goal for us to > > > > > > > > > > > > reach. The south node is viewed > > as the past that > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > need to hold behind and not hold > > onto. > > > > > > > > > > Proponents of > > > > > > > > > > > > this view contend, that by > > looking at the sign > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > house placements of the nodes, > > one's karmic past > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > destiny can be ascertained. > > Curiously nodes are > > > > > > > > > > > > given rather strong importance > > in natal chart > > > > > > > > > > > > interpretation, but are seldom > > looked at closely > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > transit analysis of the here and > > now of one's > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the Uranian and > > Cosmobiological system of > > > > > > > > > > > > Germany, the nodes are > > interpreted as having a > > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > > to do with interpersonal > > relationships, rather > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > > karma. Alfred Witte founder of > > the Uranian > > > > > > > > > > > > astrological system strongly > > propounded this > > > > > > > > > > view. > > > > > > > > > > > > The nodes were regarded as key > > in determining > > > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > > > > > social the person was and, as > > opposed to the > > > > > > > > > > > > American view, looked in at the > > transit > > > > > > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aspects from the nodes to other > > planet would > > > > > > > > > > > > indicate where and what nature > > one's > > > > > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > > > > > would be. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Vedic astrological system, > > however, while the > > > > > > > > > > > > nodes may have something to do > > with one's karma > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > may involve relationships with > > others, they are > > > > > > > > > > > > inherently viewed as evil cosmic > > influences. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know about the story of > > origin of Rahu > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > how separation of Rahu and ketu > > occured > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, Rahu had managed > > to taste and > > > > > > > > > > swallow > > > > > > > > > > > > the amrita just before the > > dismemberment and > > > > > > > > > > > > therefore was unable to be > > killed. Because of > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > immortality Rahu and Ketu exists > > eternally in > > > > > > > > > > > > heavens. Due to it's exposure by > > sun and moon, > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > nodes are sworn enemies of those > > 2 planets, > > > > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > > > > the darkening of Sun and Moon > > during solar and > > > > > > > > > > lunar > > > > > > > > > > > > eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RAHU-THE ROLLER COASTER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As can be deduced from the > > origin or story of > > > > > > > > > > rahu , > > > > > > > > > > > > that rahu is an excellent liar > > as it was able to > > > > > > > > > > > > deceive even the gods, if only > > temporarily. In > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic system, the north node, > > rahu has rulership > > > > > > > > > > > > over con artists, liars, > > illusions and cheats, > > > > > > > > > > Since > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only the head and part > > of the body of an > > > > > > > > > > > > immortal demon it is always > > constantly hungy, > > > > > > > > > > > > whatever food eaten never > > reaches the whole body > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is only head and mouth. And > > because of this > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu is viewed as insatiable > > material desires . > > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > > > > > > > > matter how much it gets it > > always wants more and > > > > > > > > > > > > because of this rahu is closely > > associated with > > > > > > > > > > > > addictions and > > obsessive/compulsive behaviour > > > > > > > > > > > > patterns. Accordingly rahu rules > > poisons, drugs, > > > > > > > > > > > > alcoholism, addicts, compulsive > > gambling, sex > > > > > > > > > > > > addiction, and pleasure seeking. > > Rahu also rules > > > > > > > > > > > > worries, paranoia and irrational > > fears. Because > > > > > > > > > > rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > is demon and inheetely evil it > > also has domain > > > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > > > > > sufferings in general, > > especially chronic > > > > > > > > > > diseases > > > > > > > > > > > > and events that are sudden and > > seem fated and > > > > > > > > > > > > tragic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because Rahu had the audacity to > > impersonate a > > > > > > > > > > god, > > > > > > > > > > > > at a considerable risk to > > itself( a gamble which > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually was lost by demon > > body leading to > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > separation). Rahu is associated > > with reckless > > > > > > > > > > > > behaviour and of taking chances. > > Rahu can make > > > > > > > > > > > > people do things they otherwise > > would not by > > > > > > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > them throw caution to wind and > > thinking that > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > can get away with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A final lesson to be gleaned > > from the vedic myth > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > that Rahu's gains are always > > temporary. In the > > > > > > > > > > myth > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu did manage to deceive gods > > for a while, but > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > found at the end and suffered > > for it. Likewise, > > > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > > > > well placd in one's chart, rahu > > may give > > > > > > > > > > material > > > > > > > > > > > > success, drive, fame and > > ambition, but these > > > > > > > > > > gifts > > > > > > > > > > > > are fleeting and temporary. It > > is a virtual > > > > > > > > > > axiom in > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish that whatever is gained > > with rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > influence will eventually > > flitter away and be > > > > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the great lesson rahu > > teaches is this : > > > > > > > > > > You > > > > > > > > > > > > can't take it with you .The > > moment you think > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > you have attained lasting > > success > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the material world is exactly > > the moment when > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu will take away that > > success, leaving you > > > > > > > > > > hungry > > > > > > > > > > > > for what you lost and you cannot > > have it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KETU-THE CRUEL ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu is the headless body of > > rahu called as > > > > > > > > > > dragon's > > > > > > > > > > > > tail. Astrologically ketu is > > exact opposite of > > > > > > > > > > rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whereas rahu is pure physicality > > and materialism > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu is pure spirituality and > > non-materiality. > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > this respect ketu acts like > > Neptune. But ketu's > > > > > > > > > > > > spirituality comes with heavy > > price tag. It is > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > all, a half of demon. Ketu > > brings spirituality > > > > > > > > > > onto > > > > > > > > > > > > people by making them suffer. It > > is almost as if > > > > > > > > > > > > ketu creates many disasters in a > > person's life, > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > no one has choice but to turn to > > divine for help > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > solace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since ketu is non-physical and > > non-material, > > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > > > influence creates denial and > > sometimes > > > > > > > > > > abandonment. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, a person with Ketu > > closely conjunct > > > > > > > > > > > > midpoint of the 4th house of the > > mother will > > > > > > > > > > > > typically report that their > > mother was > > > > > > > > > > emotionally > > > > > > > > > > > > or physically unavailable when > > the person was > > > > > > > > > > > > growing up. Ketu can be very > > mystic, occult, > > > > > > > > > > psychic > > > > > > > > > > > > and intuitive, but it can also > > bring with it > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation, loss, misery and > > abuse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the key things to be > > aware of with ketu > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > that it rules diseases of > > unknown origin (like > > > > > > > > > > > > cancer, multiple sclerosis, > > parkinson's etc.,)or > > > > > > > > > > > > disease that can get > > misdiagonised or mistreated > > > > > > > > > > > > this is because of ketu's > > hidden, mysterious > > > > > > > > > > > > quality. It can be most > > insidious influence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apart from the article given > > above I would also > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > to mention certain more points > > on the nodes > > > > > > > > > > which I > > > > > > > > > > > > come across while studying > > different horoscopes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is usually seen and also > > mentioned in the > > > > > > > > > > article > > > > > > > > > > > > given above rahu and ketu are > > unsatisfied nodes. > > > > > > > > > > E.g > > > > > > > > > > > > for this I would like to mention > > here is that I > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > working as an astrologer with a > > very reputed > > > > > > > > > > > > businessman of Mumbai who was > > filthy rich and > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > having all materialistic > > pleasures of life he > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > unsatisfied and that age (his > > age is near about > > > > > > > > > > > > 55-60) he use to often complain > > about having > > > > > > > > > > > > dissatisfied physical > > relationship with his > > > > > > > > > > wife, he > > > > > > > > > > > > felt still there is something > > lacking to make > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > more popular world wide, he had > > past broken > > > > > > > > > > affair > > > > > > > > > > > > and at this age too he was > > longing a > > > > > > > > > > companionship > > > > > > > > > > > > with young females. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Studying his horoscope it was > > seen that his was > > > > > > > > > > > > Taurus asc. 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