Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 To me, there can never be a "Selfless love". Any "Universal", "Holy", "Pure", "Divinity", etc. is just a mean excuse or rather confusion of the person. Uhhh... not possible. Basically, truly, and ultimately - EXISTENCE ITSELF IS SELFISH. Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Where relief and solutions are found , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear Shripal, > 1]Jup is a spritual planet. My understanding is that Jup is a > religious planet. > 2]Love, understanding, sympathy--- my understanding is that Venus is > karaka for these quailiteies. > 3]Please read texts for Hamsa Mahapurusha Yoga results . All say > that such strong Jupitarian have unsatisable lust for sex. > 4]While Negative and positive parts of Saturn, I could not follow, > my understanding is that Sat is for celebacy and also for > dissatisfaction/disappointments in sex life. > 5]Sex is not joy, and I am absolutely wrong....noted for my > consumsion/contemplation and digestion. > 6]I had gone through your articles earlier on Vedic marriage etc but > i didnot get the idea from there that Sex is bad and love is good. > 7]To be very frank, I could never understand what is love. This word > is used by everybody in daily life with thousands of different > meanings. You must be meaning universal love[????] and what is this > I dont know. > Inder > > , Shripal <d_shripal> > wrote: > > Hi Inder and All memebers, > > > > A jupiter is a sprirtual planets,It believes in > > Love,Understanding,sympathy, I am talking about > > positive influence of Jupiter.If well placed that > > person leaves Sex after certain age , if other planets > > are not afflicting him. > > > > A very strong Jupiter in 7th I have seen a person not > > at all involved in sexual activity.He believes in > > creation,Love,Nature, Understanding very sattvic.And > > after having a one child or two has never wanted a Sex > > in Life. > > > > While very few person are having a very very strong > > Saturn(Sattvic), A tapasvee yoga with Saturn.While > > negative part of Saturn is indulging in Sexual > > activity > > and torturing someone, doing wrongful deeds in > > society. > > > > Inder if you thinking Sex is a Joy, Than you are > > absolutely wrong.It is not at all.you should have read > > my previos articles about Love. Love is Good, But sex > > is BAD.A difference is a status of mind, What you are > > thinking while you are doing.In details read my Vedic > > Mariage and A way of Life articles. > > > > So Jupiter natuarally is Benefic and sattvic,while > > Saturn is malefic and Tamsic. > > > > > > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shriphal, > > > You mean to say that Jupiter is non sexual, anti > > > indulgence. > > > > > > And Saturn is Sexual and indulges. > > > > > > Jupiter is joyless and Saturn is joyful? > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > , Shripal > > > <d_shripal> > > > wrote: > > > > Hi swadhin, > > > > > > > > Every House signifies lots of things,while > > > analysing a > > > > chart you have to bring down to only certain parts > > > of > > > > it depending upon planet placed and sign of that > > > > house. > > > > > > > > what I have worte about Saturn in 7th is from my > > > > studies and experience both. > > > > > > > > About your satement that you made about indulgence > > > in > > > > sex, than you have to see a strength of jupiter in > > > > chart.If Jupiter is strong than those people never > > > are > > > > indulge in those activities.It doesn't matter were > > > it > > > > is palced,It got to be very strong.As in any chart > > > > Jupiter signifies spiritual development of a > > > person,so > > > > strength of jupiter is to be checked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Swadhin <beherajapan> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shripal ji: > > > > > You are very correct in your observation and > > > > > suggestions for people > > > > > with Saturn in 7th. I learned the lesson through > > > my > > > > > own experience. > > > > > After reading through some Jyotish books and > > > reading > > > > > your message, I > > > > > realized that whatever I was doing intuitively > > > > > actually is the remedy > > > > > for my problems. I always had strong differences > > > > > with my > > > > > subordinates, my colleagues and my wife. My > > > bosses > > > > > always used to > > > > > exploit me for my attitudes. For last three > > > years I > > > > > am exactly > > > > > following Gandhi principle. My life has become > > > lot > > > > > better though > > > > > people have not completely stopped doing > > > mischief > > > > > behind me. My wife > > > > > is happy but she started falling sick often. I > > > hope > > > > > she will be OK > > > > > after some time. > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I am curious to know if those > > > > > suggestions you gave were > > > > > from your experience (not necessarily your own) > > > or > > > > > you learned them > > > > > from your studies. > > > > > > > > > > I also read that Saturn in 7th people often fall > > > > > prey to sexual > > > > > indulgences. All astrologer who checked my > > > > > horoscopes warned me to be > > > > > cautious of other women particularly duing > > > Saturn > > > > > sub-periods. I have > > > > > not experienced that problem so much; perhaps > > > for my > > > > > spiritual > > > > > inclination from a young age. Do you have > > > comments > > > > > on this? > > > > > Swadhin > > > > > > Hi Partap and All memebers, > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think any planets give really that bad > > > > > results > > > > > > in any house.Its about exploring that House. > > > > > > > > > > > > First we have to understand a planets and it's > > > > > > prolictive things towards one's Life.than > > > where > > > > > that > > > > > > planets is placed, that in in what house,for > > > > > example > > > > > > Saturn is placed in 7th house.So what does > > > that > > > > > Satunr > > > > > > signifies and what 7th house signifies.Than > > > for a > > > > > > given Lagna it is Karaka of what Houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > As I have given my general prediction that: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > Let us first understand about 7th house in > > > brief, > > > > > it > > > > > > is about marriage,marriage partner and open > > > > > > enemies.The characteristics which are valued > > > in > > > > > > others, and which are sought in a partner, are > > > > > > symbolised by this house as well as the > > > > > > characteristics which are possessed by our > > > enemies > > > > > and > > > > > > through which we are vulnerable to opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is very strong. Saturn makes a person > > > more > > > > > > attaracted towards isolation,rejection,pain > > > and > > > > > > disappointment until he re-orient himself for > > > a > > > > > inner > > > > > > search.Marriage is always accompanied by > > > darkness, > > > > > so > > > > > > matching should be properly done.Here Saturn > > > > > signifies > > > > > > difficulty in marriage and any other > > > > > relationship.It > > > > > > is always a other person's fault.So happiness > > > or > > > > > > unhappy,luck or unluck always comes from > > > > > > opponenets.Commonly, isolation or aloneness is > > > one > > > > > > sort of restriction. > > > > > > > > > > > > Partner is too serious,older although > > > > > > faithful,financially solvent and stable.But > > > > > marital > > > > > > bliss is inhibited.Sometimes he is possessive > > > and > > > > > > demanding, or he may bea disappointment simply > > > > > > because he is incompatible, or abandons the > > > > > > individual, or causes hurt through emotional > > > or > > > > > > physical infidelity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > - > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > So I will suggest go inner,do meditation, > > > express > > > > > > yourself ,try different understanding methods. > > > > > > > > > > > > So in order to get a good results for a person > > > > > having > > > > > > a Saturn in 7th House, he has to create a > > > > > > understanding about his partner or wife, What > > > > > > qualities thety are having and than work that > > > > > out.So > > > > > > to tackle Saturn you have to be more > > > understanding > > > > > > person,go inner side rather than going > > > > > outside,don't > > > > > > try to win by opposition,but rather be like > > > > > Mahatma > > > > > > Gandhi,believe in non-violence and faith and > > > > > > confidence i oneself. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you will act against saturn,than you are > > > bound > > > > > to > > > > > > get all bad results that I have said above.So > > > it's > > > > > > more about understanding and than action for > > > your > > > > > > understanding.And that has to come and it can > > > be > > > > > from > > > > > > anywhere. > > > > > > > > > > > > More you desire,morer you are Happy in your > > > Life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- partap111 <rbcalla> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Parkash ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought Saturn is not good for 7 thouse. > > > > > > > Very few people can take maturity needed to > > > > > > > understand Saturn in > > > > > > > 7th House. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Partap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navlakshya, mangesh > > > > > > > ramnathkar > > > > > > > <mangeshrr> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Prakash > > > > > > > > Can you suggest in Products in which I can > > > Do > > > > > > > > Bussiness ? > > > > > > > > Regarding my Family, they are Middle class > > > > > Family > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > All Money was spent on me and my two > > > brothers > > > > > > > > education, My dad made me a Computer > > > Engineer, > > > > > my > > > > > > > > elder Brother did Pharmacy then did MBA, m > > > > > younger > > > > > > > > Borther just completed Architecture, has > > > given > > > > > GRE > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > applying to different colleges in USA, HE > > > is > > > > > > > planning > > > > > > > > to come to USA this year... > > > > > > > > Any way when my Dad retired, He was in bad > > > > > shape, > > > > > > > > Financially and emotional, becasue of the > > > fact > > > > > he > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > no investments what-so-ever, He invested > > > in > > > > > his > > > > > > > Kids' > > > > > > > > education > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > MangeshR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Vedic Astrologer - Prakash > > > > > > > > <prakashkandpal> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn the dhanakaraka in your case > > > occupies > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > > > house of > > > > > > > > > business/partners. So the money will > > > come > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > business > > > > > > > > > largely. Saturn's aspect on Capricorn > > > is > > > > > good - > > > > > > > > > increase > > > > > > > > > enhancement in career will be good. > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > presence in > > > > > > > > > 7th also reminds me about one more thing > > > > > that > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > may be owning stocks/shares in companies > > > or > > > > > > > > > factories of > > > > > > > > > its own. Yet I think you may not be > > > having > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > steady > > > > > > > > > relationships in your family though > > > being an > > > > > > > > > orthodox and > > > > > > > > > deep rooted thinker yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may not have been an activie > > > sportsman > > > > > > > (physical > > > > > > > > > games) > > > > > > > > > but in mental you may have strong > > > interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Prakash Kandpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- mangesh ramnathkar <mangeshrr> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > Let me give my experience .. > > > > > > > > > > I'm Capri Asc > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is 7 th house > > > > > > > > > > Birht date 28 feb 1976 4.24am Mumbai > > > India > > > > > > > > > > I do have troubles with relationship > > > as > > > > > well > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > Contracts but to be honest, I love it > > > as I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > few > > > > > > > > > > partners but the Best you can ever > > > get, > > > > > they > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > Loyal, Honest and the very few people > > > I > > > > > care > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > MangeshR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Vedic Astrologer - Prakash > > > > > > > > > > <prakashkandpal> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U see Saturn is 11th from Moon and > > > is in > > > > > one > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > greatest > > > > > > > > > > > friends sign by virtue of being in > > > > > Pisces. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Occupies favourable position from > > > both > > > > > its > > > > > > > sign > > > > > > > > > > > Capricorn > > > > > > > > > > > and Aquarius i.e. 3rd from 5th and > > > 2nd > > > > > from > > > > > > > 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th lord > > > > > > > > > > > in 7th is a rajayoga in any case. > > > From > > > > > Moon > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > becomes > > > > > > > > > > > YK and occupies 11th house so all in > > > all > > > > > > > good is > > > > > > > > > > > indicated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd house pertaining to Mars gives > > > > > sportsman > > > > > > > > > spirit > > > > > > > > > > > or high > > > > > > > > > > > involvement is sports etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Prakash Kandpal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the individual's I came > > > across > > > > > > > (can't > > > > > > > > > share > > > > > > > > > > > data, > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry) has > > > > > > > > > > > > kanya rising, saturn in 7th. > > > Married a > > > > > > > > > classfellow > > > > > > > > > > > at age > > > > > > > > > > > > of 22 - > > > > > > > > > > > > handsome guy, physician and > > > > > > > semi-professional > > > > > > > > > > > sportsman, > > > > > > > > > > > > same age +/- > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 year or less, has a wonderful > > > > > marriage, > > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > > beautiful > > > > > > > > > > > > kids, lot > > > > > > > > > > > > richer than anyone else in her six > > > > > > > generations > > > > > > > > > > > (maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > more) before > > > > > > > > > > > > including around (contemporary) -- > > > > > > > brilliant > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > along, > > > > > > > > > > > > very gifted > > > > > > > > > > > > and achieved a lot already. Very > > > > > > > disciplined > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > very beginning > > > > > > > > > > > > of life. As an aside, has two > > > > > headlines! > > > > > > > Very > > > > > > > > > > > endearing > > > > > > > > > > > > personality, > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing saturnine about her. Has > > > moon > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > ninth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navlakshya, > > > > > Shripal > > > > > > > > > > > > <d_shripal> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rupji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us first understand about > > > 7th > > > > > house > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > brief, it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is about marriage,marriage > > > partner > > > > > and > > > > > > > open > > > > > > > > > > > > > enemies.The characteristics > > > which > > > > > are > > > > > > > valued > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > others, and which are sought in > > > a > > > > > > > partner, > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > symbolised by this house as well > > > as > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > characteristics which are > > > possessed > > > > > by > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > enemies and > > > > > > > > > > > > > through which we are vulnerable > > > to > > > > > > > > > opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Know saturn in 7th is digbala, > > > very > > > > > > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes a person more attaracted > > > > > towards > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation,rejection,pain and > > > > > > > disappointment > > > > > > > > > > > until he > > > > > > > > > > > > > re-orient himself for a inner > > > > > > > > > search.Marriage is > > > > > > > > > > > > > always accompanied by darkness, > > > so > > > > > > > matching > > > > > > > > > > > should be > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly done.Here Saturn > > > signifies > > > > > > > > > difficulty > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > marriage and any other > > > > > relationship.It > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > other person's fault.So > > > happiness or > > > > > > > > > > > unhappy,luck or > > > > > > > > > > > > > unluck always comes from > > > > > > > > > opponenets.Commonly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation or aloneness is one > > > sort > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > restriction. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Partner is too serious,older > > > > > although > > > > > > > > > > > > > faithful,financially solvent and > > > > > > > stable.But > > > > > > > > > > > marital > > > > > > > > > > > > > bliss is inhibited.Sometimes he > > > is > > > > > > > > > possessive > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > demanding, or he may bea > > > > > disappointment > > > > > > > > > simply > > > > > > > > > > > > > because he is incompatible, or > > > > > abandons > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual, or causes hurt > > > through > > > > > > > emotional > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > physical infidelity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I will suggest go inner,do > > > > > > > meditation, > > > > > > > > > > > express > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself ,try different > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > > methods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Rup Krishen Baqaya > > > > > <rkbaqaya> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Raghu saturn in the > > > seventh.In > > > > > > > fact i > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking about saturn in the > > > > > > > eighth,but > > > > > > > > > let ur > > > > > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prevail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those with saturn in the > > > > > seventh > > > > > > > may > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the fortune of being in the > > > > > company of > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > spouse > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for long.The spouse could fall > > > > > sick or > > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > > > > die.Otherwise the spouse may > > > be a > > > > > sad > > > > > > > kind > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with no zest for life.In the > > > > > > > horoscopes of > > > > > > > > > > > females > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in seventh may indicate > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > widower or an old person.The > > > > > native > > > > > > > may be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thin,sickly and without much > > > > > > > > > enthusiasm.Des > > > > > > > > > > > not talk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > much.Has a feeling of > > > > > servitude.May be > > > > > > > > > immoral > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sexually. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It inclines one to be in the > > > > > > > professions > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contractor,mining(Coal and > > > > > > > iron),agency of > > > > > > > > > > > foreign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > 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