Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Dear brothers mark, SRR and all fraternity With due respect to all of you, I do agree with all your observations. While one's fate is already written, only a person knowing astrology can see it and predict the future. With the same faith, one also has can develop the power to change the fate by getting the grace of god or getting such power after doing tapas. I do not agree with the observation that even knowing the remedies and following the remedies and then getting away with the malefic is everything written. If every thing is written beforehand, how can any remedy work. This may be true logically but in reality no. When Ahalya was born, Brahma has not written her to become a stone. When sage Gautam was fooled by Indra by casting "maya" and had Ahalya after which Gautam cursed Ahalya to become a stone. Such is the power of a sage's curse that it would come true even if it is not written in ahalya's fate written by her own father. Similary when Lord Yama comes to take the life of Markandey, he gets the blessing of god and even the lord of death spares him. There are many more such stories. A curse of a sage and an ashirvad of a sage are equally powerful and they have the power to change what is written. This is what exactly was prcaticed by Jesus, Saibaba and even several demi-gods in the present day also. One cannot trash all the faith-healers in the west, there are true genuine people who changed the sufferings of several people. I have seen several examples in my own life both to me and to others by me. So, let us focus on giving psychological relief to all queries from the suffering brothers and sisters. Like mark, I too have my sun in leo in leo ascendant and moon in scorpio (4th house). As regards my own astrology knowledge, I continue to rate myself at a learning stage till my last breath so no comments on self. Lastly, I am very happy to learn a few tips from all of you and this is the most active forum on astrology and kindly keep on expressing your views and opinions for enriching our knowledge. I treat all of you like my brothers and have highest respect and regard for each one, if there is any disagreement it is purely for discussion. With best regards Arjun Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote: Very true, the time will automatically come. SR Rajkumar: I like, making that day, come sooner! hehhehe Though my Sun in Leo, has always reflected, having more confidence in my will, and the ability to choose. It's only been my Moon with Saturn in the 12th house, that gave me my greatest challenges. But, as Jyotish helped me understand this, and I learned, especially how to strengthen, my Moon & Saturn, then, even those influences, stopped being negative... ciao Mark Kincaid "SR.Rajkumar" <rajkumar_v3 Thu, 12 May 2005 09:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Re: 2-SR. Rajkumar & All........Re: Going to one Astrologer after another....> MK...5/12 Very true, the time will automatically come. Dear SR Rajkumar: What you say, may be very true. But, eventually, every person will have to face the fact, that keeping searching around, like you say, does not in itself, solve our real problems. Only when we learn how to look within, and bring the light, can our demons, be banished. Sincerely, Mark Kincaid ps... you also said: Do u think Mark, that all the people who come to you will not go another? I'm sure there are some who would do this. But, there are also many others, who get genuinely helped by their readings, and find there live's powerfully improved by the unique observations, and prescriptive skills, of Jyotish.... "SR.Rajkumar" <rajkumar_v3 Thu, 12 May 2005 07:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Re: 2-Arjun & SR. Rajkumar....Re: Going to one Astrologer after another....> MK...5/12 Dear Mark and Arjun, Now you take the case of a person who is sick. He would like to get immediate relief. so he would go to a doctor. He doesnt have patience and if no results are seen, then he rushes to the next doctor.Same thing happens with a person whose time is bad. He keeps rotating till his bad time is over. There are also people suggesting plenty of astrologers saying that this person is best or the other is best.Then what happens, the person who has just gone to an astrologer immediately wnts to go to another. He doesnt have patience. If the astrologer is a ethical one, then he would say just do wht the other personhas told and have patience. But then psychology plays. like a doctor prescribes a B complex just for the satisfaction of a patient, he has to give some remedies for the requirement of the affected person, otherwise, he will lose the customer. Hence i just wanted to say that fate cannot be changed and people get momentary satisfaction by going to an astrologer, but time rules.Do u think Mark, that all the people who come to you will not go another? Those who have been posting their hor in this group have been consistently posting in many sites. Why is this. This si because they are getting a momentary relief in doing so. SR.Rajkumar Dear Arjun & SR.Rajkumar: One other important point here to mention, is I've seen the same tendency amongst people, sometimes, where they're going to this person or that, trying to find the solutions to their problems. This really isn't an Astrology problem. Psychologists are approached the same way sometime, people hopeing that the Psychologist will solve their problem and then going to the next, and the next,...Psychologist. The problems, obviously, lies, within us. Good Astrology, like good Psychology, will be 'that', which seeks to empower the person, so they can solve, ultimately, their own problems. Nice talking with you. Mark Kincaid arjun pandit <panditarjun2004 Thu, 12 May 2005 06:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Do not display cynicism on astrology Dear friends I enjoyed your joke in a lighter vein that "going to an astrologer gives momentary relief till the time the person meets another astrologer". OK, whosoever expressed such cynism, please address your query to me and I would definitely give you an answer. But, for sanity, please do not criticise astrology itself. I repeat what I said some time ago that even though ones fate has been written already from birth to death, by invoking the grace of god one can change the destiny. Simply put if you do more self-less service and more good deeds, god's grace would help you get out of the malefic affect of evil planets soon and increase the affect of the benefics. Similary if you indulge in more bad deeds and hurt and harm as many people as you can, the benefics stop giving their good affect and your death would be sooner than expected. Remember the lifestories of our sages. Viswamitra was a king, he left the palace, sacrificed everything and did tapas and became a sage and saint with so much power that he could challenge even brahma to create a heaven on his own. Similary Ravana also left the comforts of palace and did tapas near Manassarovar (Mount Kailash) and got so much powers. It was a different matter that this power or siddhi was used for wrong means. Learnt fraternity may remember how he conquered the nine planets and ordered them to be in their best position at the birthtime of his son meghnath. What happened then was a big story. So, friends, besides seeking astrological solutions, do as many good deeds to get good. With best wishes to all Arjun "SR.Rajkumar" <rajkumar_v3 wrote: What you say is true Angelie. But I do not know how people say that fate of a person can be changed. I understand that all changes, either good or bad is governed by the stars and they are the cause for action made by us. Well ned to understand more. Anyway the replies anyon in the grup gives will be satisfyin to them, whether one is an astrologer or not. That is their psychological state of affairs at the present. This is true for any human being. Going to an astrologer is momentary relief till the time a person meets another astrologer. ritu sharma <private_ritu wrote: Dear friends, I am beginning to feel that horoscopes and psychology go hand in hand.. When people are desperate to know answer they seek answers to believe in anything at that moment. What is writing in the stars surly can be altered by ones own will? What is man made can not defey god who created these things? Regards Angela Sharma Messenger - want a free & easy way to contact your friends online? ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / S Rajkumar rajkumar_v3 Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / Discover Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / S Rajkumar rajkumar_v3 Discover Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / S Rajkumar rajkumar_v3 Discover Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! ~! 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Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Hey Arjun, Now you have complicated the issue. Now I have to go to the veda puranm to get u a reply. Mayb u r right. Let me check. Now the topic is gaining interest. arjun pandit <panditarjun2004 wrote:Dear brothers mark, SRR and all fraternity With due respect to all of you, I do agree with all your observations. While one's fate is already written, only a person knowing astrology can see it and predict the future. With the same faith, one also has can develop the power to change the fate by getting the grace of god or getting such power after doing tapas. I do not agree with the observation that even knowing the remedies and following the remedies and then getting away with the malefic is everything written. If every thing is written beforehand, how can any remedy work. This may be true logically but in reality no. When Ahalya was born, Brahma has not written her to become a stone. When sage Gautam was fooled by Indra by casting "maya" and had Ahalya after which Gautam cursed Ahalya to become a stone. Such is the power of a sage's curse that it would come true even if it is not written in ahalya's fate written by her own father. Similary when Lord Yama comes to take the life of Markandey, he gets the blessing of god and even the lord of death spares him. There are many more such stories. A curse of a sage and an ashirvad of a sage are equally powerful and they have the power to change what is written. This is what exactly was prcaticed by Jesus, Saibaba and even several demi-gods in the present day also. One cannot trash all the faith-healers in the west, there are true genuine people who changed the sufferings of several people. I have seen several examples in my own life both to me and to others by me. So, let us focus on giving psychological relief to all queries from the suffering brothers and sisters. Like mark, I too have my sun in leo in leo ascendant and moon in scorpio (4th house). As regards my own astrology knowledge, I continue to rate myself at a learning stage till my last breath so no comments on self. Lastly, I am very happy to learn a few tips from all of you and this is the most active forum on astrology and kindly keep on expressing your views and opinions for enriching our knowledge. I treat all of you like my brothers and have highest respect and regard for each one, if there is any disagreement it is purely for discussion. With best regards Arjun Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote: Very true, the time will automatically come. SR Rajkumar: I like, making that day, come sooner! hehhehe Though my Sun in Leo, has always reflected, having more confidence in my will, and the ability to choose. It's only been my Moon with Saturn in the 12th house, that gave me my greatest challenges. But, as Jyotish helped me understand this, and I learned, especially how to strengthen, my Moon & Saturn, then, even those influences, stopped being negative... ciao Mark Kincaid "SR.Rajkumar" <rajkumar_v3 Thu, 12 May 2005 09:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Re: 2-SR. Rajkumar & All........Re: Going to one Astrologer after another....> MK...5/12 Very true, the time will automatically come. Dear SR Rajkumar: What you say, may be very true. But, eventually, every person will have to face the fact, that keeping searching around, like you say, does not in itself, solve our real problems. Only when we learn how to look within, and bring the light, can our demons, be banished. Sincerely, Mark Kincaid ps... you also said: Do u think Mark, that all the people who come to you will not go another? I'm sure there are some who would do this. But, there are also many others, who get genuinely helped by their readings, and find there live's powerfully improved by the unique observations, and prescriptive skills, of Jyotish.... "SR.Rajkumar" <rajkumar_v3 Thu, 12 May 2005 07:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Re: 2-Arjun & SR. Rajkumar....Re: Going to one Astrologer after another....> MK...5/12 Dear Mark and Arjun, Now you take the case of a person who is sick. He would like to get immediate relief. so he would go to a doctor. He doesnt have patience and if no results are seen, then he rushes to the next doctor.Same thing happens with a person whose time is bad. He keeps rotating till his bad time is over. There are also people suggesting plenty of astrologers saying that this person is best or the other is best.Then what happens, the person who has just gone to an astrologer immediately wnts to go to another. He doesnt have patience. If the astrologer is a ethical one, then he would say just do wht the other personhas told and have patience. But then psychology plays. like a doctor prescribes a B complex just for the satisfaction of a patient, he has to give some remedies for the requirement of the affected person, otherwise, he will lose the customer. Hence i just wanted to say that fate cannot be changed and people get momentary satisfaction by going to an astrologer, but time rules.Do u think Mark, that all the people who come to you will not go another? Those who have been posting their hor in this group have been consistently posting in many sites. Why is this. This si because they are getting a momentary relief in doing so. SR.Rajkumar Dear Arjun & SR.Rajkumar: One other important point here to mention, is I've seen the same tendency amongst people, sometimes, where they're going to this person or that, trying to find the solutions to their problems. This really isn't an Astrology problem. Psychologists are approached the same way sometime, people hopeing that the Psychologist will solve their problem and then going to the next, and the next,...Psychologist. The problems, obviously, lies, within us. Good Astrology, like good Psychology, will be 'that', which seeks to empower the person, so they can solve, ultimately, their own problems. Nice talking with you. Mark Kincaid arjun pandit <panditarjun2004 Thu, 12 May 2005 06:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Do not display cynicism on astrology Dear friends I enjoyed your joke in a lighter vein that "going to an astrologer gives momentary relief till the time the person meets another astrologer". OK, whosoever expressed such cynism, please address your query to me and I would definitely give you an answer. But, for sanity, please do not criticise astrology itself. I repeat what I said some time ago that even though ones fate has been written already from birth to death, by invoking the grace of god one can change the destiny. Simply put if you do more self-less service and more good deeds, god's grace would help you get out of the malefic affect of evil planets soon and increase the affect of the benefics. Similary if you indulge in more bad deeds and hurt and harm as many people as you can, the benefics stop giving their good affect and your death would be sooner than expected. Remember the lifestories of our sages. Viswamitra was a king, he left the palace, sacrificed everything and did tapas and became a sage and saint with so much power that he could challenge even brahma to create a heaven on his own. Similary Ravana also left the comforts of palace and did tapas near Manassarovar (Mount Kailash) and got so much powers. It was a different matter that this power or siddhi was used for wrong means. Learnt fraternity may remember how he conquered the nine planets and ordered them to be in their best position at the birthtime of his son meghnath. What happened then was a big story. So, friends, besides seeking astrological solutions, do as many good deeds to get good. With best wishes to all Arjun "SR.Rajkumar" <rajkumar_v3 wrote: What you say is true Angelie. But I do not know how people say that fate of a person can be changed. I understand that all changes, either good or bad is governed by the stars and they are the cause for action made by us. Well ned to understand more. Anyway the replies anyon in the grup gives will be satisfyin to them, whether one is an astrologer or not. That is their psychological state of affairs at the present. This is true for any human being. Going to an astrologer is momentary relief till the time a person meets another astrologer. ritu sharma <private_ritu wrote: Dear friends, I am beginning to feel that horoscopes and psychology go hand in hand.. When people are desperate to know answer they seek answers to believe in anything at that moment. What is writing in the stars surly can be altered by ones own will? What is man made can not defey god who created these things? Regards Angela Sharma Messenger - want a free & easy way to contact your friends online? ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / S Rajkumar rajkumar_v3 Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / Discover Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / S Rajkumar rajkumar_v3 Discover Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / <?subject=Un> Terms of Service <> . ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / S Rajkumar rajkumar_v3 Discover Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! ~! 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