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Dear brothers mark, SRR and all fraternity

 

With due respect to all of you, I do agree with all your observations. While

one's fate is already written, only a person knowing astrology can see it and

predict the future. With the same faith, one also has can develop the power to

change the fate by getting the grace of god or getting such power after doing

tapas. I do not agree with the observation that even knowing the remedies and

following the remedies and then getting away with the malefic is everything

written. If every thing is written beforehand, how can any remedy work. This

may be true logically but in reality no.

 

When Ahalya was born, Brahma has not written her to become a stone. When sage

Gautam was fooled by Indra by casting "maya" and had Ahalya after which Gautam

cursed Ahalya to become a stone. Such is the power of a sage's curse that it

would come true even if it is not written in ahalya's fate written by her own

father.

Similary when Lord Yama comes to take the life of Markandey, he gets the

blessing of god and even the lord of death spares him. There are many more such

stories. A curse of a sage and an ashirvad of a sage are equally powerful and

they have the power to change what is written. This is what exactly was

prcaticed by Jesus, Saibaba and even several demi-gods in the present day also.

One cannot trash all the faith-healers in the west, there are true genuine

people who changed the sufferings of several people. I have seen several

examples in my own life both to me and to others by me.

 

So, let us focus on giving psychological relief to all queries from the

suffering brothers and sisters.

 

Like mark, I too have my sun in leo in leo ascendant and moon in scorpio (4th

house).

 

As regards my own astrology knowledge, I continue to rate myself at a learning

stage till my last breath so no comments on self.

 

Lastly, I am very happy to learn a few tips from all of you and this is the most

active forum on astrology and kindly keep on expressing your views and opinions

for enriching our knowledge. I treat all of you like my brothers and have

highest respect and regard for each one, if there is any disagreement it is

purely for discussion.

 

With best regards

Arjun

 

Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

Very true, the time will automatically come.

 

SR Rajkumar:

 

 

 

I like, making that day, come sooner!

 

hehhehe

 

 

Though my Sun in Leo, has always reflected, having more confidence in my

will, and the ability to choose.

 

It's only been my Moon with Saturn in the 12th house, that gave me my

greatest challenges.

 

But, as Jyotish helped me understand this, and I learned, especially how to

strengthen, my Moon & Saturn, then, even those influences, stopped being

negative...

 

ciao

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

"SR.Rajkumar" <rajkumar_v3

 

Thu, 12 May 2005 09:40:40 -0700 (PDT)

 

Re: 2-SR. Rajkumar & All........Re: Going to one Astrologer

after another....> MK...5/12

 

 

Very true, the time will automatically come.

 

Dear SR Rajkumar:

 

What you say, may be very true. But, eventually, every person will have to

face the fact, that keeping searching around, like you say, does not in

itself, solve our real problems.

 

Only when we learn how to look within, and bring the light, can our demons,

be banished.

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

ps... you also said:

 

Do u think Mark, that all the people who come to you will not go another?

 

I'm sure there are some who would do this. But, there are also many others,

who get genuinely helped by their readings, and find there live's powerfully

improved by the unique observations, and prescriptive skills, of Jyotish....

 

 

 

 

 

"SR.Rajkumar" <rajkumar_v3

 

Thu, 12 May 2005 07:21:53 -0700 (PDT)

 

Re: 2-Arjun & SR. Rajkumar....Re: Going to one Astrologer

after another....> MK...5/12

 

 

Dear Mark and Arjun,

Now you take the case of a person who is sick. He would like to get

immediate relief. so he would go to a doctor. He doesnt have patience and if

no results are seen, then he rushes to the next doctor.Same thing happens

with a person whose time is bad. He keeps rotating till his bad time is

over. There are also people suggesting plenty of astrologers saying that

this person is best or the other is best.Then what happens, the person who

has just gone to an astrologer immediately wnts to go to another. He doesnt

have patience. If the astrologer is a ethical one, then he would say just do

wht the other personhas told and have patience. But then psychology plays.

like a doctor prescribes a B complex just for the satisfaction of a patient,

he has to give some remedies for the requirement of the affected person,

otherwise, he will lose the customer.

Hence i just wanted to say that fate cannot be changed and people get

momentary satisfaction by going to an astrologer, but time rules.Do u think

Mark, that all the people who come to you will not go another? Those who

have been posting their hor in this group have been consistently posting in

many sites. Why is this. This si because they are getting a momentary relief

in doing so.

SR.Rajkumar

 

 

Dear Arjun & SR.Rajkumar:

 

One other important point here to mention, is I've seen the same tendency

amongst people, sometimes, where they're going to this person or that,

trying to find the solutions to their problems.

 

This really isn't an Astrology problem. Psychologists are approached the

same way sometime, people hopeing that the Psychologist will solve their

problem and then going to the next, and the next,...Psychologist.

 

The problems, obviously, lies, within us.

 

Good Astrology, like good Psychology, will be 'that', which seeks to empower

the person, so they can solve, ultimately, their own problems.

 

 

 

Nice talking with you.

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

arjun pandit <panditarjun2004

 

Thu, 12 May 2005 06:17:45 -0700 (PDT)

 

Do not display cynicism on astrology

 

 

Dear friends

 

I enjoyed your joke in a lighter vein that "going to an astrologer gives

momentary relief till the time the person meets another astrologer".

 

OK, whosoever expressed such cynism, please address your query to me and I

would definitely give you an answer. But, for sanity, please do not

criticise astrology itself.

 

I repeat what I said some time ago that even though ones fate has been

written already from birth to death, by invoking the grace of god one can

change the destiny. Simply put if you do more self-less service and more

good deeds, god's grace would help you get out of the malefic affect of evil

planets soon and increase the affect of the benefics. Similary if you

indulge in more bad deeds and hurt and harm as many people as you can, the

benefics stop giving their good affect and your death would be sooner than

expected. Remember the lifestories of our sages. Viswamitra was a king, he

left the palace, sacrificed everything and did tapas and became a sage and

saint with so much power that he could challenge even brahma to create a

heaven on his own. Similary Ravana also left the comforts of palace and did

tapas near Manassarovar (Mount Kailash) and got so much powers. It was a

different matter that this power or siddhi was used for wrong means. Learnt

fraternity may remember how

he conquered the nine planets and ordered them to be in their best position

at the birthtime of his son meghnath. What happened then was a big story.

 

So, friends, besides seeking astrological solutions, do as many good deeds

to get good.

 

With best wishes to all

 

Arjun

 

 

"SR.Rajkumar" <rajkumar_v3 wrote:

What you say is true Angelie. But I do not know how people say that fate of

a person can be changed. I understand that all changes, either good or bad

is governed by the stars and they are the cause for action made by us. Well

ned to understand more. Anyway the replies anyon in the grup gives will be

satisfyin to them, whether one is an astrologer or not. That is their

psychological state of affairs at the present. This is true for any human

being. Going to an astrologer is momentary relief till the time a person

meets another astrologer.

 

 

ritu sharma <private_ritu wrote:

 

Dear friends,

 

I am beginning to feel that horoscopes and psychology go hand in hand.. When

people are desperate to know answer they seek answers to believe in anything

at that moment. What is writing in the stars surly can be altered by ones

own will? What is man made can not defey god who created these things?

 

Regards

 

Angela Sharma

 

 

 

 

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Hey Arjun, Now you have complicated the issue. Now I have to go to the veda

puranm to get u a reply. Mayb u r right. Let me check. Now the topic is gaining

interest.

 

 

arjun pandit <panditarjun2004 wrote:Dear brothers mark, SRR and all

fraternity

 

With due respect to all of you, I do agree with all your observations. While

one's fate is already written, only a person knowing astrology can see it and

predict the future. With the same faith, one also has can develop the power to

change the fate by getting the grace of god or getting such power after doing

tapas. I do not agree with the observation that even knowing the remedies and

following the remedies and then getting away with the malefic is everything

written. If every thing is written beforehand, how can any remedy work. This

may be true logically but in reality no.

 

When Ahalya was born, Brahma has not written her to become a stone. When sage

Gautam was fooled by Indra by casting "maya" and had Ahalya after which Gautam

cursed Ahalya to become a stone. Such is the power of a sage's curse that it

would come true even if it is not written in ahalya's fate written by her own

father.

Similary when Lord Yama comes to take the life of Markandey, he gets the

blessing of god and even the lord of death spares him. There are many more such

stories. A curse of a sage and an ashirvad of a sage are equally powerful and

they have the power to change what is written. This is what exactly was

prcaticed by Jesus, Saibaba and even several demi-gods in the present day also.

One cannot trash all the faith-healers in the west, there are true genuine

people who changed the sufferings of several people. I have seen several

examples in my own life both to me and to others by me.

 

So, let us focus on giving psychological relief to all queries from the

suffering brothers and sisters.

 

Like mark, I too have my sun in leo in leo ascendant and moon in scorpio (4th

house).

 

As regards my own astrology knowledge, I continue to rate myself at a learning

stage till my last breath so no comments on self.

 

Lastly, I am very happy to learn a few tips from all of you and this is the most

active forum on astrology and kindly keep on expressing your views and opinions

for enriching our knowledge. I treat all of you like my brothers and have

highest respect and regard for each one, if there is any disagreement it is

purely for discussion.

 

With best regards

Arjun

 

Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

Very true, the time will automatically come.

 

SR Rajkumar:

 

 

 

I like, making that day, come sooner!

 

hehhehe

 

 

Though my Sun in Leo, has always reflected, having more confidence in my

will, and the ability to choose.

 

It's only been my Moon with Saturn in the 12th house, that gave me my

greatest challenges.

 

But, as Jyotish helped me understand this, and I learned, especially how to

strengthen, my Moon & Saturn, then, even those influences, stopped being

negative...

 

ciao

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

"SR.Rajkumar" <rajkumar_v3

 

Thu, 12 May 2005 09:40:40 -0700 (PDT)

 

Re: 2-SR. Rajkumar & All........Re: Going to one Astrologer

after another....> MK...5/12

 

 

Very true, the time will automatically come.

 

Dear SR Rajkumar:

 

What you say, may be very true. But, eventually, every person will have to

face the fact, that keeping searching around, like you say, does not in

itself, solve our real problems.

 

Only when we learn how to look within, and bring the light, can our demons,

be banished.

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

ps... you also said:

 

Do u think Mark, that all the people who come to you will not go another?

 

I'm sure there are some who would do this. But, there are also many others,

who get genuinely helped by their readings, and find there live's powerfully

improved by the unique observations, and prescriptive skills, of Jyotish....

 

 

 

 

 

"SR.Rajkumar" <rajkumar_v3

 

Thu, 12 May 2005 07:21:53 -0700 (PDT)

 

Re: 2-Arjun & SR. Rajkumar....Re: Going to one Astrologer

after another....> MK...5/12

 

 

Dear Mark and Arjun,

Now you take the case of a person who is sick. He would like to get

immediate relief. so he would go to a doctor. He doesnt have patience and if

no results are seen, then he rushes to the next doctor.Same thing happens

with a person whose time is bad. He keeps rotating till his bad time is

over. There are also people suggesting plenty of astrologers saying that

this person is best or the other is best.Then what happens, the person who

has just gone to an astrologer immediately wnts to go to another. He doesnt

have patience. If the astrologer is a ethical one, then he would say just do

wht the other personhas told and have patience. But then psychology plays.

like a doctor prescribes a B complex just for the satisfaction of a patient,

he has to give some remedies for the requirement of the affected person,

otherwise, he will lose the customer.

Hence i just wanted to say that fate cannot be changed and people get

momentary satisfaction by going to an astrologer, but time rules.Do u think

Mark, that all the people who come to you will not go another? Those who

have been posting their hor in this group have been consistently posting in

many sites. Why is this. This si because they are getting a momentary relief

in doing so.

SR.Rajkumar

 

 

Dear Arjun & SR.Rajkumar:

 

One other important point here to mention, is I've seen the same tendency

amongst people, sometimes, where they're going to this person or that,

trying to find the solutions to their problems.

 

This really isn't an Astrology problem. Psychologists are approached the

same way sometime, people hopeing that the Psychologist will solve their

problem and then going to the next, and the next,...Psychologist.

 

The problems, obviously, lies, within us.

 

Good Astrology, like good Psychology, will be 'that', which seeks to empower

the person, so they can solve, ultimately, their own problems.

 

 

 

Nice talking with you.

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

arjun pandit <panditarjun2004

 

Thu, 12 May 2005 06:17:45 -0700 (PDT)

 

Do not display cynicism on astrology

 

 

Dear friends

 

I enjoyed your joke in a lighter vein that "going to an astrologer gives

momentary relief till the time the person meets another astrologer".

 

OK, whosoever expressed such cynism, please address your query to me and I

would definitely give you an answer. But, for sanity, please do not

criticise astrology itself.

 

I repeat what I said some time ago that even though ones fate has been

written already from birth to death, by invoking the grace of god one can

change the destiny. Simply put if you do more self-less service and more

good deeds, god's grace would help you get out of the malefic affect of evil

planets soon and increase the affect of the benefics. Similary if you

indulge in more bad deeds and hurt and harm as many people as you can, the

benefics stop giving their good affect and your death would be sooner than

expected. Remember the lifestories of our sages. Viswamitra was a king, he

left the palace, sacrificed everything and did tapas and became a sage and

saint with so much power that he could challenge even brahma to create a

heaven on his own. Similary Ravana also left the comforts of palace and did

tapas near Manassarovar (Mount Kailash) and got so much powers. It was a

different matter that this power or siddhi was used for wrong means. Learnt

fraternity may remember how

he conquered the nine planets and ordered them to be in their best position

at the birthtime of his son meghnath. What happened then was a big story.

 

So, friends, besides seeking astrological solutions, do as many good deeds

to get good.

 

With best wishes to all

 

Arjun

 

 

"SR.Rajkumar" <rajkumar_v3 wrote:

What you say is true Angelie. But I do not know how people say that fate of

a person can be changed. I understand that all changes, either good or bad

is governed by the stars and they are the cause for action made by us. Well

ned to understand more. Anyway the replies anyon in the grup gives will be

satisfyin to them, whether one is an astrologer or not. That is their

psychological state of affairs at the present. This is true for any human

being. Going to an astrologer is momentary relief till the time a person

meets another astrologer.

 

 

ritu sharma <private_ritu wrote:

 

Dear friends,

 

I am beginning to feel that horoscopes and psychology go hand in hand.. When

people are desperate to know answer they seek answers to believe in anything

at that moment. What is writing in the stars surly can be altered by ones

own will? What is man made can not defey god who created these things?

 

Regards

 

Angela Sharma

 

 

 

 

Messenger - want a free & easy way to contact your friends online?

 

 

 

 

 

~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

 

 

 

 

 

/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

S Rajkumar

rajkumar_v3

 

 

 

Mail

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