Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Dear All, The current discussions on "many marriages" raises some important questions for Astrological mapping of marriage as event. 1) What is the definition of the marriage ? Is it the legal definition i.e. the time when the marriage document gets signed and Husband and wife enter into legal contract of marriage ? But then what about many marriages which do not get registered ? also in olden days there was no custom of registering the marriage. 2) Is it the time when marriage ceremony takes place as per the rituals and traditions followed by that religion ? This also may not be applicable in few situations. 3) Is it the time of first physical sexual interaction between the husband and wife ? This could not be a correct definition in many situation - like unmarried couples , people having physical relationship before marriage or without marriage etc etc 4) It is time when husband and wife decide to be life partners first time like in case of love marriage ? If the definition of the marriage itself is getting more and more complex in current changing social norms , definition of more marriage is even more complex and therefore difficult to map astrologically. So all the situations like staying with another person without marriage , exmartial relationships , "platonic" involvements, marrying second time without getting legal divorce etc are even more difficult to map astrologically. Or is it that as I had written in this forum few months back that we should think of three definitions of marriage - Psychological , Physical and legal and try and map it astrologically ? I am posting same message in one more forum , so those who are members of that forum should pardon me for repetition. Regards, Anil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2005 Report Share Posted May 16, 2005 Dear Mr Anil 1.Although I am not very focussed on marriage yogas etc., thesedays, yet here's what i know: You have already given all types of marriage cases and scenarios. I agree with your basic definitionsPsychological , Physical and legal ", as you have put it i.e., a marriage is complete only when both man and woman have accepted eahc other by MANSE(by heart), by KARMA(actions; physical and emotional) and VACHAN(promises and oaths)...However the final critical control remains with the woman's ultimate acceptance of the man as husband(assuming the man has already accepted a woman as wife, otherwise men are inclined to have many women as wives who may be forced into such unacceptable type marriage relationships )..so my conclusion is that the time of the marriage is the actual time when the woman has accepted the man mentally and by heart, the physical union is just a matter of time only... 2. ...or sometimes a man has been accepted as husband only during the first physical union time itself(which may be much later than so called relgious marriage cermony which gave an official date to the marriage, but in the mind of the woman the man was never accepted as an husband on that marriage date)..unless the mental accpetance/physical union and ultimate acceptance is not complete from woman's side, the planets of the husband and wife are not really linked to each other completely. So by this argument/definition multiple physical relationships are temporary marriages, as long as they lasted, assuming the man and the woman had accepted each other during such temporary periods only(which may be officially called affairs etc)...hence their planets are links to each other during such periods only. 3. Legal marriages thus hardly qualify as real marriages unless the above mentioned criteria has been met simultaneously...And ofocurse if multiple marriage have happened to a man without divorcing and all involved women have accepted the man as husband, then they are all valid marriages astrologically(may be illegal by law)..so then we will have different marriage dates for all such different marriages and only women can tell the date and time of such acceptances/astrological marriages. 4. It will be hard to imagine that a man is living with different women who have accepted him as husband but he has not accepted them as wives, yet he is physically involved with all of them at same time/different times..well they are his wives in that case, since he has/had an intense involvement with them.This is same case as 3 above. 5. Ultimately in today's world there can be women who have accepted two or more men as husbands during different times/same time and same definition applies as above.(Hope I have not hurt the feelings of men by giving all the importance to women, but this is my humble understanding only) Thanks and Regards Rajesh. , Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote: > Dear All, > > The current discussions on "many marriages" raises some important questions for Astrological mapping of marriage as event. > > 1) What is the definition of the marriage ? Is it the legal definition i.e. the time when the marriage document gets signed and Husband and wife enter into legal contract of marriage ? But then what about many marriages which do not get registered ? also in olden days there was no custom of registering the marriage. > > 2) Is it the time when marriage ceremony takes place as per the rituals and traditions followed by that religion ? This also may not be applicable in few situations. > > 3) Is it the time of first physical sexual interaction between the husband and wife ? This could not be a correct definition in many situation - like unmarried couples , people having physical relationship before marriage or without marriage etc etc > > 4) It is time when husband and wife decide to be life partners first time like in case of love marriage ? > > If the definition of the marriage itself is getting more and more complex in current changing social norms , definition of more marriage is even more complex and therefore difficult to map astrologically. So all the situations like staying with another person without marriage , exmartial relationships , "platonic" involvements, marrying second time without getting legal divorce etc are even more difficult to map astrologically. > > Or is it that as I had written in this forum few months back that we should think of three definitions of marriage - Psychological , Physical and legal and try and map it astrologically ? > > I am posting same message in one more forum , so those who are members of that forum should pardon me for repetition. > > Regards, > > Anil > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 what are different yogas in a kundli for many marriges "Rajesh M. Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000 wrote:Dear Mr Anil 1.Although I am not very focussed on marriage yogas etc., thesedays, yet here's what i know: You have already given all types of marriage cases and scenarios. I agree with your basic definitionsPsychological , Physical and legal ", as you have put it i.e., a marriage is complete only when both man and woman have accepted eahc other by MANSE(by heart), by KARMA(actions; physical and emotional) and VACHAN(promises and oaths)...However the final critical control remains with the woman's ultimate acceptance of the man as husband(assuming the man has already accepted a woman as wife, otherwise men are inclined to have many women as wives who may be forced into such unacceptable type marriage relationships )..so my conclusion is that the time of the marriage is the actual time when the woman has accepted the man mentally and by heart, the physical union is just a matter of time only... 2. ...or sometimes a man has been accepted as husband only during the first physical union time itself(which may be much later than so called relgious marriage cermony which gave an official date to the marriage, but in the mind of the woman the man was never accepted as an husband on that marriage date)..unless the mental accpetance/physical union and ultimate acceptance is not complete from woman's side, the planets of the husband and wife are not really linked to each other completely. So by this argument/definition multiple physical relationships are temporary marriages, as long as they lasted, assuming the man and the woman had accepted each other during such temporary periods only(which may be officially called affairs etc)...hence their planets are links to each other during such periods only. 3. Legal marriages thus hardly qualify as real marriages unless the above mentioned criteria has been met simultaneously...And ofocurse if multiple marriage have happened to a man without divorcing and all involved women have accepted the man as husband, then they are all valid marriages astrologically(may be illegal by law)..so then we will have different marriage dates for all such different marriages and only women can tell the date and time of such acceptances/astrological marriages. 4. It will be hard to imagine that a man is living with different women who have accepted him as husband but he has not accepted them as wives, yet he is physically involved with all of them at same time/different times..well they are his wives in that case, since he has/had an intense involvement with them.This is same case as 3 above. 5. Ultimately in today's world there can be women who have accepted two or more men as husbands during different times/same time and same definition applies as above.(Hope I have not hurt the feelings of men by giving all the importance to women, but this is my humble understanding only) Thanks and Regards Rajesh. , Anil VSNL <gogatea@v...> wrote: > Dear All, > > The current discussions on "many marriages" raises some important questions for Astrological mapping of marriage as event. > > 1) What is the definition of the marriage ? Is it the legal definition i.e. the time when the marriage document gets signed and Husband and wife enter into legal contract of marriage ? But then what about many marriages which do not get registered ? also in olden days there was no custom of registering the marriage. > > 2) Is it the time when marriage ceremony takes place as per the rituals and traditions followed by that religion ? This also may not be applicable in few situations. > > 3) Is it the time of first physical sexual interaction between the husband and wife ? This could not be a correct definition in many situation - like unmarried couples , people having physical relationship before marriage or without marriage etc etc > > 4) It is time when husband and wife decide to be life partners first time like in case of love marriage ? > > If the definition of the marriage itself is getting more and more complex in current changing social norms , definition of more marriage is even more complex and therefore difficult to map astrologically. So all the situations like staying with another person without marriage , exmartial relationships , "platonic" involvements, marrying second time without getting legal divorce etc are even more difficult to map astrologically. > > Or is it that as I had written in this forum few months back that we should think of three definitions of marriage - Psychological , Physical and legal and try and map it astrologically ? > > I am posting same message in one more forum , so those who are members of that forum should pardon me for repetition. > > Regards, > > Anil > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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