Thanks Divya and puzzle test for members/astrologers

May 18, 2005

Dear Divya and members,

Thanks Divya for your support and appreciation. May God Bless you

and all your dreams come true.I am no longer feeling offended.

Infact my daughter's name is also Divya.So i was pleasantly

surprized to see your email.Its like your own daughter/sister

writing to you!

Now here's a small puzzle with some hints(you can call it a

challenge, if you like..but should not be very hard to guess, since

i do not like hard puzzles myself.)

Here are two almost identical horoscopes of two individuals, born

within almost exactly 24 hrs of each other in same time zone and

having same Rashi Chakra and Lagna...one of them has worked for

several years, has gone thru lots of employment related changes

and is currently looking for job, although he/she was working

recently few months ago.

Other one has also worked for several years and gone thru some

changes(but fewer chnages than other person) , but he/she is

gainfully employed at present.(now).

You have to find who is who and who is where now? i.e.,

(i) who is unemployed at present and who is employed at present.

(ii) Also second question is where are they now? i.e., who is

working abroad and who is working in home country at present? or

rather say are they both at home country now or both abroad? it can

be any of the possible combinations.

(iii) Also when do you think they will be most successful

financially and who's most likely to more successful financially? I

will convey this answer to the relevant persons. Since they both are

asking this question(this is an optional request only)

Person 1:

20th July 1961

9:50 PM IST (India 5:30 hours ahead of GMT)

Longitude: 80 E 55

Latitude: 26 N 51

Person 2:

21st July 1961

9:57 PM IST ((India 5:30 hours ahead of GMT))

Longitude:77 E 42

Latitude: 29 N 16

I think a week from today (until 25th May 2005)should be enough

time to solve it otherwise if you need additional time, then please

let me know.Please also give your astrological reasonings and the

real purpose is to learn something here.

Thanks and Regards

Rajesh Kumaria

, Divya

<touchbase_divya> wrote:

> Respected Kumaria ji,

>

> Please do not feel so offended.

> When I read that mail, I did not feel there was an intention to

offend.

> I respect you and all others who are giving free advice at this

forum.

> Maybe you are a very sensitive person, that is why you feel this

way.

> I hope everyone in this group will keep contributing in whatever

form they can.

>

> Hoping to learn from all members.....

>

> Divya

>

> "Rajesh M. Kumaria" <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> Dear Mark and All

> Well now this topic has closed, yet here are my final thoughts,

> since i see so many similar threads in circulation: I have nothing

> personal against those who are providing professional astrological

> services and charging for the same. Its reasonable that if one has

> spent great amounts of time and money in learning astrology and

has

> taken up astrology as a profession, then they are expected to

charge

> and I was not commenting upon this aspect.

>

> The real point is all such professional astrologers have no right

to

> criticize others who are spending their valuable time helping

others

> free. They should keep all such thoughts to their own private

> arena/groups/private emails and not use jyotish-remdies group or

> interent as a media to broadcast such offensive thoughts, with all

> due respects to Sage Parasara and all the Sages, who have

generously

> given this great knowledge to everyone.

>

> What's the difference between someone who has spent hundreds of

> hours learning astrology(who is not charging) and a professional

> astrologer? Does charging make the so called professional

astrologer

> more intelligent and give him/her the right to look down upon the

> readings of others?? Yet there are so called reputed professional

> astrologers who charge thousands of rupees/dollars/other

currencies

> and yet they have given incomplete and failed predictions...so

what

> has money got to do with so called, " Respect for

Predictions"...so

> what's their contribution anyway..they hardly helped anyone free

and

> took away precious resources even from those whom they charged to

> help ??

> Thanks and Regards

> Rajesh Kumaria

> _________

>

> , Mark Kincaid

> <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > Dear Arjun & All:

> >

> > I'd like to add one thing.

> >

> > Whether one charges, or not, the important thing is that we all

> continue

> > growing in this great science of life, make this wisdom more and

> more

> > available for mankind.

> >

> > Personally, I think it's very important that we

> consider 'investing' in our

> > Jyotish, because the investments I have made, spending thousands

> of dollars,

> > to go to India, and get exposed to the great wisdom of Jyotish;

> have changed

> > me forever.

> >

> > However, the field of Jyotish needs, much more investment of

> capital.

> >

> > We all should get involved in making Jyotish more available.

> >

> > Having it always, only be a non-profit activity, is not always

> practical.

> >

> > For example, I have been studying Jyotish for over 18 years, and

> doing it

> > professionally at least for 10 years.

> >

> > And, the fact, that people are not used to spending money in

their

> Jyotish,

> > is frustrating, because it mean's I have to spend valuable time

> away from

> > Jyotish, to make enough money that I can continue doing it.

> >

> > Personally, I have no problem chargeing people money for my

time,

> and

> > insights.

> >

> > I also, (and this is a personal choice), I spend a lot of my

time,

> helping

> > people for free, either because they don't have the money, or to

> show people

> > that these benefits are possible.

> >

> > However, I think it might be advisable, that we all consider

> making at least

> > donations, towards those people that you're presently getting

free

> advice

> > from.

> >

> > The entire field of Jyotish, could be vastly more improved, and

> made more

> > available for millions of people, if we all, had more

finanancial

> resources.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Mark Kincaid

> >

> > ps.... finally, I'd like to say: I have no problem with those

who

> choose to

> > do their Jyotish for free, but even for those people, I'd like

to

> encourage,

> > their Jyotish recepients, to make donations to them, for their

> gifts of

> > giving.

> >

> > The tradition in India, as you approach the Guru, is to give.

> >

> > The Guru's shoes, are there, to receive the rupees, of the

> disciples.

> >

> > And, though the Guru doesn't always need it, it's also good for

the

> > disciple, to give back for these gifts of Vedic Wisdom.

> >

> > "Sudhakar" <sapsud@h...>

> >

> > Mon, 16 May 2005 21:12:09 +0530

> > <>

> > Shifting to Physics and Chemistry of Astrology and

> away from

> > the COMMERCE of it

> >

> > It is a good move to shift to the Physics and Chemistry of

> Astrology and

> > away from the Commerce of it. :-)

> >

> > _____

> >

> > [] On Behalf Of

SR.Rajkumar

> > Monday, May 16, 2005 7:56 PM

> >

> > Re: Let us all close this infighting hereitself

> >

> > Anyway is acceptble to me sir.

> >

> > arjun pandit <panditarjun2004> wrote:My dear fraternity

> > Mr Rajkumar has shown high maturity in sending this mail and

> kindly let us

> > all close this thread here itself. Otherwise it would create a

> bad image

> > for astrology itself as one astrologer is criticising another.

> However, I

> > repeat my humble request to all those brothers who are charging

> money to

> > render free services to those people who are really poor and

> deserving e.g.

> > if a person is badly in debt and seek your advice, you cannot

> demand charges

> > from him. That way you would be treating your profession in a

> noble way.

> > Hope my friend Rajkumar agrees to this and let us all praise our

> ancient

> > sages who has delivered us this great science.

> > Bye the bye friends, I find that in India we follow the

astrology

> science

> > like Physics with planets and in China they follow the astrology

> science

> > like Chemistry with elements. Can my learned friends throw more

> light on

> > the physics and chemistry of astrology.

> > With best regards

> > Arjun

> >

> > "SR.Rajkumar" <rajkumar_v3> wrote:

> > ok ok. sorry. I was very haste in reading it. Well in a way he

has

> a meaning

> > in it. Whatever is offered free mostly loses its charm.Anything

> should have

> > a value.When something is offered free, there is a tendency to

go

> to many

> > people and discuss the same. but in anyway those who offer to

give

> free

> > advices can do so at their free will, nobody stopping them and

> those who

> > want to charge shall at their own convenience. All in the game.

> It is Mr.

> > Rajasekhars individual view. People will have their own views.

> >

> > myst070 <myst070> wrote:Dear Sir,

> >

> > I did read the message, that is why I was surprised. It says

> >

> > "Usually I Don't Like To Discuss Indvidual's Personal

> > Analysis (Except Public Personalities) In Open Discussions

> > For Many Reason's... And More Over Free Readings Never Yields

> > Its Respect... I Have "Personal Consultation Service" For

> > indviduvals At My Group"

> >

> > It is not questioning the "genuinity of the predictions made by

the

> > free telling astrologers".

> > If giving free advice has not appealed to him, that is his

> > experience.

> > Where is the reason to feel insulted for those who are giving

free

> > advice? I dont feel any less respect for them just because

somebody

> > else's path is different than theirs!

> >

> > MS

> >

> > , "SR.Rajkumar"

> > <rajkumar_v3> wrote:

> > > The discussion started when Mr Rajasekhar talked about the

> > genuinity of the predictions made by the free telling astrologers

> > which should have been avoided. Astrology is a profession and

> nothing

> > wrong in accepting or charging fees.

> > > SR.Rajkumar

> > >

> > > myst070 <myst070> wrote:

> > > Respected Sirs,

> > >

> > > I am quite surprised at the reactions to Mr S.N.Rajasekaran's

> mail.

> > >

> > > I respect all the people who are devoting time to help others,

> free

> > of

> > > charge.

> > > Yet, I also respect an individual's view to charge a fee if he

> > feels

> > > that is the right thing for him to do.

> > >

> > > Where is the contradiction? Why this feeling of insult when u

are

> > doing

> > > what u feel is right?

> > >

> > > Please, let us not judge each other.

> > >

> > > MS

> > >

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May 18, 2005

Om Krishna Guru

Namaste Rajesh,

As you know I like to attempt puzzles, so I will surely

attempt. Can you please provide few past events of these

natives, so that I can verify thier birth time. Also please

mention their gender as well as that will help me in

verifying the past events too.

Regards

Raghunatha Rao

, "Rajesh M. Kumaria"

<rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> Dear Divya and members,

> Thanks Divya for your support and appreciation. May God Bless you

> and all your dreams come true.I am no longer feeling offended.

> Infact my daughter's name is also Divya.So i was pleasantly

> surprized to see your email.Its like your own daughter/sister

> writing to you!

>

> Now here's a small puzzle with some hints(you can call it a

> challenge, if you like..but should not be very hard to guess, since

> i do not like hard puzzles myself.)

>

> Here are two almost identical horoscopes of two individuals, born

> within almost exactly 24 hrs of each other in same time zone and

> having same Rashi Chakra and Lagna...one of them has worked for

> several years, has gone thru lots of employment related changes

> and is currently looking for job, although he/she was working

> recently few months ago.

>

> Other one has also worked for several years and gone thru some

> changes(but fewer chnages than other person) , but he/she is

> gainfully employed at present.(now).

>

> You have to find who is who and who is where now? i.e.,

>

> (i) who is unemployed at present and who is employed at present.

>

> (ii) Also second question is where are they now? i.e., who is

> working abroad and who is working in home country at present? or

> rather say are they both at home country now or both abroad? it can

> be any of the possible combinations.

>

> (iii) Also when do you think they will be most successful

> financially and who's most likely to more successful financially? I

> will convey this answer to the relevant persons. Since they both

are

> asking this question(this is an optional request only)

>

> Person 1:

> 20th July 1961

> 9:50 PM IST (India 5:30 hours ahead of GMT)

> Longitude: 80 E 55

> Latitude: 26 N 51

>

> Person 2:

> 21st July 1961

> 9:57 PM IST ((India 5:30 hours ahead of GMT))

> Longitude:77 E 42

> Latitude: 29 N 16

>

> I think a week from today (until 25th May 2005)should be enough

> time to solve it otherwise if you need additional time, then

please

> let me know.Please also give your astrological reasonings and the

> real purpose is to learn something here.

> Thanks and Regards

> Rajesh Kumaria

May 18, 2005

Namaste Raghu,

Well trust me the birth times are accurate.Also I cannot give any

past event dates or gender etc., , since that will mean giving away

all the information available to me. I have already given enough

hints which should enable one to solve the puzzle. Please do not

become over-serious and just try to solve it easily, using whatever

technique appeals to you. I am not looking for any detailed

horoscope/dasa analsyis of these individuals.

I know everyone's time is precious and so please just spend whatever

time is available to you at your convenience only. I am also

understanding the charts myself and have not yet found the

astrological reasonings myself...please note that there is no

perfect astrological reasoning/answer here since i am myself still

learning...so just take it easy.

Thanks and Regards

Rajesh.

, "Raghunatha RaoNemani"

<raon1008> wrote:

> Om Krishna Guru

>

> Namaste Rajesh,

>

> As you know I like to attempt puzzles, so I will surely

> attempt. Can you please provide few past events of these

> natives, so that I can verify thier birth time. Also please

> mention their gender as well as that will help me in

> verifying the past events too.

>

> Regards

> Raghunatha Rao

>

> , "Rajesh M. Kumaria"

> <rajeshkumaria2000> wrote:

> > Dear Divya and members,

> > Thanks Divya for your support and appreciation. May God Bless

you

> > and all your dreams come true.I am no longer feeling offended.

> > Infact my daughter's name is also Divya.So i was pleasantly

> > surprized to see your email.Its like your own daughter/sister

> > writing to you!

> >

> > Now here's a small puzzle with some hints(you can call it a

> > challenge, if you like..but should not be very hard to guess,

since

> > i do not like hard puzzles myself.)

> >

> > Here are two almost identical horoscopes of two individuals,

born

> > within almost exactly 24 hrs of each other in same time zone and

> > having same Rashi Chakra and Lagna...one of them has worked for

> > several years, has gone thru lots of employment related changes

> > and is currently looking for job, although he/she was working

> > recently few months ago.

> >

> > Other one has also worked for several years and gone thru some

> > changes(but fewer chnages than other person) , but he/she is

> > gainfully employed at present.(now).

> >

> > You have to find who is who and who is where now? i.e.,

> >

> > (i) who is unemployed at present and who is employed at present.

> >

> > (ii) Also second question is where are they now? i.e., who is

> > working abroad and who is working in home country at present? or

> > rather say are they both at home country now or both abroad? it

can

> > be any of the possible combinations.

> >

> > (iii) Also when do you think they will be most successful

> > financially and who's most likely to more successful

financially? I

> > will convey this answer to the relevant persons. Since they both

> are

> > asking this question(this is an optional request only)

> >

> > Person 1:

> > 20th July 1961

> > 9:50 PM IST (India 5:30 hours ahead of GMT)

> > Longitude: 80 E 55

> > Latitude: 26 N 51

> >

> > Person 2:

> > 21st July 1961

> > 9:57 PM IST ((India 5:30 hours ahead of GMT))

> > Longitude:77 E 42

> > Latitude: 29 N 16

> >

> > I think a week from today (until 25th May 2005)should be enough

> > time to solve it otherwise if you need additional time, then

> please

> > let me know.Please also give your astrological reasonings and

the

> > real purpose is to learn something here.

> > Thanks and Regards

> > Rajesh Kumaria

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