I AM SORRY

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Respected Rajesh Kumaria

Namastey,

 

First of all,thanks for your reply.You have spoken truth and there is nothing

harsh in it.Indeed thanks for speaking truth(at least some people are left in

this world who can do so).I was expecting this from at least one or other.This

world is full of diversity,and i feel lucky to be greeted by your kind thoughts.

Actually there is no ego involved in my previous mail.I believed i may be

knowing little about spirituality and many other things and hence posted mail

just to know opinions and kind thoughts of other learned persons also.I am not

trying to divert this group from its objectives and if anyone feel so i will be

very happy to restrict myself.

I posted my views only because i feel so sad about persons in trouble because

many of them have forgotten basic principles of life laid done by our

anchestors.Without fulfilling our responsibilities toward (guruji)-teacher,our

parents(father and mother first of all),nature(which fulfill every basic

requirement of us),divinity(which show us path of light when we are through

darkness),nation and society,how can one be happy in his or her life just

wearing gemstones and chanting mantras.It is no one else but only we make and

change our world and surroundings.I read about some "krinds"(debts) enlightened

in focus by RESPECTED MAHARSHI PARASHAR viz."krind" of "pitra" (anchestors)

,"matra"(mother),"stri"(wife),"sambandhi"(friends and others),"putri"(child)

etc,etc,ect and various kind of conjugation of planets reflecting doshas present

in native horoscope.Without even trying to credit to these "krinds" how can a

person even think of relief from suffering!

My objective is not to expand my horizon or my boundaries or make others to

follow my path forcfully.My aim is just to let my little knowledge help others

for their benifit.Dharma has no boundaries.May be you are right when you say i

have already reached the desired state of mind i.e., peaceful tranquility/live

and let live,but how can i be happy with my own peace when others nearby me are

crying.

Even now if anyone dont like my opinion;I AM SORRY.But i would be really very

happy to see members relieved from pain of cruel happenings of this world.

 

With Regards.

Kuldhir Singh Bhati.

Kota,RAJASTHAN

 

On Sun, 29 May 2005 Rajesh M.Kumaria wrote :

>Dear Mr Kuldhir Singh Bhati

>

>Well with all due regards, you have given some intelligent views and

>you seem to know everything. So I am wondering why you are asking

>these questions in an astrological group, which is dedicated to

>discussing vedic astrology and possibly helping those who need

>guidance in their tough times? Perhaps you should/would get more

>view points on your topics in a religious group.

>

>

>

>Is your ego involved here seriously and you are trying to challenge

>everyone/divert the focus to religion? If no ego is involved then

>you have already reached the desired state of mind i.e., peaceful

>tranquility/live and let live. So why talk about death, when we are

>still living and trying to so hard get our financial, emtional and

>materialistic objectives everyday? There is nothing sad about

>desires...rather desires lead to well defined objectives and people

>live for them only...may be you are talking about uncontrolled

>desires and which are always bad anyway.

>

>

>

>You said, "Death will ultimately take away everything from us"...

>yes in a philosphical sense you are right, since we will all leave

>this world empty handed...yet there's a big difference between a

>rich man's life and death when compared to a poor man's life and

>death...Even in death, a rich man leaves tons of money for his

>survivors and gets a great funeral with all due respect and

>grandeur, while a poor man struggles throughout life and even waits

>after death for a proper funeral and some due respect at the end of

>life...So you can see that the Goddess Lakshmi plays a great role

>even after death...yet there are others who struggle throughout life

>for Lakshmi's blessings and go through many new lives and several

>deaths, during their life time itself...so you can see that the

>planets do play a great role in achieving various desires and

>personal objectives... if my views appear sharp/controversial, then

>its not my intention to say so.... i have no intention to hurt

>anyone...i am just stating the harsh truth only.

>

>Thanks and Regards

>Rajesh Kumaria

>_

>

>

>, "kuldhir singh bhati"

><kuldhir_singh@r...> wrote:

> > Respected Group members,

> > First of all thanks to everyone who replied to my previous mail

>LIFE and also to those wo dont replied.I am really thankful to

>learned gurus for their kind thoughts.It is very nice to be part of

>this group.

> > Like any other scientific subject,field of astrology too is

>devoted to wefare of general being.So i would seek permission of

>group members for furthur extention of views on LIFE.

> > Yes, Happiness and Sorrow are two sides of the coin.Yes,there is

>no stopping till death and we have to continously strive to acheive

>our objectives.There is nothing wrong in it but what is so sad about

>human being is their never ending desires.Other creatures of god too

>live for food,they too reproduce but man has exploited nature for

>his desires,i.e.for nothing.Death will ultimately take away

>everything from us.

> > It is really difficult,rathar impossible,to know exactly what

>supream power want from us until we surrende ourself with all our

>ills and wills.Time is unstopable and we cannot change this,may be

>nothing is in our hand.It is very possible we may not get correct

>understanding of AIM OF LIFE because everyone here is vizualising

>this world in his own way.But i recall words of shikrishna he said

>at starting of 10th lesson of GEETA;

> > Neither saints nor devine persons knows the origine of GOD because

>they themselve are his creativity.Indeed all of us get strength of

>understanding from prayers of GOD.GOD is without beginning and

>present here,everywhere,forever.

> > Hence i feel our aim must be to help everyone so that he can lift

>his life and his moral.We must learn to limit our desires.

> > My respected guruji disclosed to me:ONLY DHARMA PROTECT THOSE WHO

>PROTECT DHARMA.

> > With regards,

> > Kuldhir Singh Bhati

> > Kota,RAJASTHAN

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> Links

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[Guest guest]

Respected Kuldhir Singh Bhati,

 

Namaskar

 

Thanks for your appreciation and I am myself glad that I still have

the courage to speak the truth in these tough financial and complex

times when everything has become so materialistic or materialism

oriented in every sphere of life. People appreciate the truth but

also simultaneously fear that it can result in complex developments

which can make them controversial and may be harm them financially,

so they get inclined to speak diplomatic truths, which are truths

hidden in glamourous way…I do not blame them since everyone has

become a slave to continuous and progressively growing materialism

as time passes on, compared to 20 years ago, when materialism was

considered bad(another extreme) and spiritualism was considered

ideal. Today spiritualism is also being marketed in glamourous way

and needs detailed advertisements , seminars, functions, TV

programs, books and software etc., so as to become more affordable

and conveniently available to those who can pay for it and sort of

achieve it like any degree course.

 

Now coming to RESPECTED MAHARSHI PARASHAR's elaboration of debts…

Well he was right in his times, when the Kings were protectors and

every man had good opportunities for growth and making money etc.,

IN today's context of neck to neck competition in all spheres of

life, man(or woman) can only execute their duties to the best of

their physical abilities/ financial capability. What can a man do

when the King himself is heartless and deceiving, in the name of

free markets and international competition etc., I am talking about

the farmers and Indian Govts of last several years. What have they

really done anything for poor farmer? Why are they forced to commit

suicides? When you are hurting the farmer who is most essential part

of the entire nation's structure, then how can any nation hope to

achieve real financial independence etc., We as part of same society

are gradually becoming willing/unwilling partners of all these

materialism generated sins. All these debts which you are describing

were mentioned in times when the Kings were protectors and when the

common man had more avenues of personal prosperity. Also they are

all generated from an agriculture based society which considered all

good men to be responsible for everything and for all other men to

follow all such good men. Now when our very own Government and Banks

of Independent India are torturing our very own farmers, then how do

you expect them to pay all these debts to the society etc., Similar

story will appear in smaller towns and cities where harsh

industrialism, international competition and rising living costs

have also devastated the city man(who are lucky to survive as they

can take advantage of job changes, banking system, properties etc.,

to survive.. at least they did not have to commit suicide in large

numbers so far!) In short all these debts(ideological debts to

father, mother, wife etc., ) have lost their meanings due to high

expenditures, unemployment and rising living costs.

 

 

No wonder everyone is running to lucky stones and miracles to

achieve everything as soon as possible. However these ideological

debts and ideological thoughts do torture the few good men(and few

good women) who try to implement all these costly things in their

lives and get financially and mentally ruined in the process, so

much so that they are forced to live in death-like conditions, if

not really dead yet.. So basically such good people get hurt and

tortured every day(while others are busy telling them thay they

should have done this and they should have done that for their

family members etc).

 

So my ideology says , "Forget about all these ideological

developments and debts etc., when our very existence is in

danger"..In today's context, Whatever one can do , without hurting

oneself financially and physically, one should do for parents,

children, wife/husband etc., So just do your Karma and also respect

yourself." Did the Pandavas commit suicide after losing the entire

empire to Kauravas deception? No they waited for suitable time to

come back and fought their own gurus for their own rights? Can we

say that they paid all their debts to their forefathers before the

war? Is'nt that controversial, but then Lord Krishna was with them

and so that signifies/implies that DHARAMA was with them all the

time. Just take it easy and Just take life as it comes..if you

become too idealistic , then you can land in more troubles and your

very own people will be surprized at your own generated failures!

Will they come to take you out of the ditch? Just think from this

perspective and life will become clear to you. Did anyone come to

save Balimiki Rishi, when he was a notorious thief and got arrested?

Even his wife and children abandoned him in TRETAYUGA and this is

only KALIYUGA Sir!

Thanks and Regards

Rajesh Kumaria

___________________________

, "kuldhir singh bhati"

<kuldhir_singh@r...> wrote:

>  

> Respected Rajesh Kumaria

> Namastey,

>

> First of all,thanks for your reply.You have spoken truth and there

is nothing harsh in it.Indeed thanks for speaking truth(at least

some people are left in this world who can do so).I was expecting

this from at least one or other.This world is full of diversity,and

i feel lucky to be greeted by your kind thoughts.

> Actually there is no ego involved in my previous mail.I believed i

may be knowing little about spirituality and many other things and

hence posted mail just to know opinions and kind thoughts of other

learned persons also.I am not trying to divert this group from its

objectives and if anyone feel so i will be very happy to restrict

myself.

> I posted my views only because i feel so sad about persons in

trouble because many of them have forgotten basic principles of life

laid done by our anchestors.Without fulfilling our responsibilities

toward (guruji)-teacher,our parents(father and mother first of

all),nature(which fulfill every basic requirement of us),divinity

(which show us path of light when we are through darkness),nation

and society,how can one be happy in his or her life just wearing

gemstones and chanting mantras.It is no one else but only we make

and change our world and surroundings.I read about

some "krinds"(debts) enlightened in focus by RESPECTED MAHARSHI

PARASHAR viz."krind" of "pitra"

(anchestors) ,"matra"(mother),"stri"(wife),"sambandhi"(friends and

others),"putri"(child) etc,etc,ect and various kind of conjugation

of planets reflecting doshas present in native horoscope.Without

even trying to credit to these "krinds" how can a person even think

of relief from suffering!

> My objective is not to expand my horizon or my boundaries or make

others to follow my path forcfully.My aim is just to let my little

knowledge help others for their benifit.Dharma has no boundaries.May

be you are right when you say i have already reached the desired

state of mind i.e., peaceful tranquility/live and let live,but how

can i be happy with my own peace when others nearby me are crying.

> Even now if anyone dont like my opinion;I AM SORRY.But i would be

really very happy to see members relieved from pain of cruel

happenings of this world.

>

> With Regards.

> Kuldhir Singh Bhati.

> Kota,RAJASTHAN

>

> On Sun, 29 May 2005 Rajesh M.Kumaria wrote :

> >Dear Mr Kuldhir Singh Bhati

> >

> >Well with all due regards, you have given some intelligent views

and

> >you seem to know everything. So I am wondering why you are asking

> >these questions in an astrological group, which is dedicated to

> >discussing vedic astrology and possibly helping those who need

> >guidance in their tough times? Perhaps you should/would get more

> >view points on your topics in a religious group.

> >

> >

> >

> >Is your ego involved here seriously and you are trying to

challenge

> >everyone/divert the focus to religion? If no ego is involved then

> >you have already reached the desired state of mind i.e., peaceful

> >tranquility/live and let live. So why talk about death, when we

are

> >still living and trying to so hard get our financial, emtional and

> >materialistic objectives everyday? There is nothing sad about

> >desires...rather desires lead to well defined objectives and

people

> >live for them only...may be you are talking about uncontrolled

> >desires and which are always bad anyway.

> >

> >

> >

> >You said, "Death will ultimately take away everything from us"...

> >yes in a philosphical sense you are right, since we will all leave

> >this world empty handed...yet there's a big difference between a

> >rich man's life and death when compared to a poor man's life and

> >death...Even in death, a rich man leaves tons of money for his

> >survivors and gets a great funeral with all due respect and

> >grandeur, while a poor man struggles throughout life and even

waits

> >after death for a proper funeral and some due respect at the end

of

> >life...So you can see that the Goddess Lakshmi plays a great role

> >even after death...yet there are others who struggle throughout

life

> >for Lakshmi's blessings and go through many new lives and several

> >deaths, during their life time itself...so you can see that the

> >planets do play a great role in achieving various desires and

> >personal objectives... if my views appear sharp/controversial,

then

> >its not my intention to say so.... i have no intention to hurt

> >anyone...i am just stating the harsh truth only.

> >

> >Thanks and Regards

> >Rajesh Kumaria

> >_

> >

> >

> >, "kuldhir singh bhati"

> ><kuldhir_singh@r...> wrote:

> > > Respected Group members,

> > > First of all thanks to everyone who replied to my previous mail

> >LIFE and also to those wo dont replied.I am really thankful to

> >learned gurus for their kind thoughts.It is very nice to be part

of

> >this group.

> > > Like any other scientific subject,field of astrology too is

> >devoted to wefare of general being.So i would seek permission of

> >group members for furthur extention of views on LIFE.

> > > Yes, Happiness and Sorrow are two sides of the coin.Yes,there

is

> >no stopping till death and we have to continously strive to

acheive

> >our objectives.There is nothing wrong in it but what is so sad

about

> >human being is their never ending desires.Other creatures of god

too

> >live for food,they too reproduce but man has exploited nature for

> >his desires,i.e.for nothing.Death will ultimately take away

> >everything from us.

> > > It is really difficult,rathar impossible,to know exactly what

> >supream power want from us until we surrende ourself with all our

> >ills and wills.Time is unstopable and we cannot change this,may be

> >nothing is in our hand.It is very possible we may not get correct

> >understanding of AIM OF LIFE because everyone here is vizualising

> >this world in his own way.But i recall words of shikrishna he said

> >at starting of 10th lesson of GEETA;

> > > Neither saints nor devine persons knows the origine of GOD

because

> >they themselve are his creativity.Indeed all of us get strength of

> >understanding from prayers of GOD.GOD is without beginning and

> >present here,everywhere,forever.

> > > Hence i feel our aim must be to help everyone so that he can

lift

> >his life and his moral.We must learn to limit our desires.

> > > My respected guruji disclosed to me:ONLY DHARMA PROTECT THOSE

WHO

> >PROTECT DHARMA.

> > > With regards,

> > > Kuldhir Singh Bhati

> > > Kota,RAJASTHAN

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> > Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>