14#----illicit relationships---role of 12th jupiter, asp-to krishnan

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Hi Krishnan

 

Thanks for reply!

 

Can you pls tell me what problems on father's

side.Presence of Jup/Ketu in 9th shud have been

benefical for father.

 

Regarding education,then she is post graduate and

working.

Rasi chart:-

Asc:Leo empty

Rahu : 3rd house

Moon : 5th

Jup+Ketu : 9th

Sun+Venus+Mer : 10th house.

Sat+Mars : 12th house

 

Sun (being lagna lord) present in 10th house is good.

Also 10th lord (mercury) is present in 10th house.

 

regards

angel

 

--- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

 

> Hello Angel,

> jupiter and ketu in Dhrma bahva is good

> may be father side problem>as leo ascdt she must be

> litterally good and not of very high educations but

> with faith.as far as morals might be ok.but

> biologically depending on venus must be looking

> around/prowling.

> loose morla sin any case r not just with jupiter

> alone

> krishnan

>

> angel <angelgoel wrote:

> Hi Shirpal

>

> My cousin sister has Jup+Ketu in 9th house (she has

> leo asc in rasi chart).

>

> she is definitely not of loose morals...we lived in

> same house for more than 20 years and i can say that

> her morals are high. She is very studious & hard

> working and goal oriented. infact she is verr god

> fearing nature. but at the same time very stubborn.

>

> many thanks

> angel

>

> --- Shripal <d_shripal wrote:

>

> > Hi Mukesh,

> >

> > A individual has Jupiter + Ketu in Aries in 11th

> > house.

> > A family oreinted person who might have spiritual

> > inclination,He is not sanyasi or yogi,But yes does

> > go

> > to religious places and do religious activities in

> > his

> > day to day Life.In Business he is of loose

> morals,he

> > should be living away from his home and

> > parents.However 11th lord is debiliated,does he

> has

> > more girls as friend and strain in relationship

> with

> > them.

> >

> > I cannot just predict on basis of jupiter,So

> > reflecting various aspect.Venus in 12th with Mer

> > and

> > Sun is creating a doubt about him be a chaste.As

> mre

> > dasa has started he will definately a flirt

> > too.Please

> > verify....

> >

> > --- MUKESH ANAND <mukesha_us wrote:

> >

> > > namaskar shripal,

> > > can u just let me know how is jupitor postion

> with

> > > respect to this discussion in the follwing

> chart.

> > > 23.may.1976

> > > 07.22 am

> > > delhi

> > >

> > > regards

> > > mukesh anand

> > >

> > > --- Shripal <d_shripal wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi Bharat and All,

> > > >

> > > > Adding to my previous point and you have

> > explained

> > > > it

> > > > very well about Love,when jupiter creates any

> > kind

> > > > of

> > > > relationship with other women than your

> > Wife,even

> > > if

> > > > she is married or prostitute etc etc.

> > > >

> > > > Here you have to minutely observe a chart,A

> rahu

> > > or

> > > > Mars or afflicted Venus roles must have plaed

> > > during

> > > > transit.which means person is very spiritual

> or

> > > > principled or ethically of high grade and

> > > indulging

> > > > in

> > > > any such activities,mostly due to transit

> > Jupiter

> > > > weakening and Rahu,Mars or afflicted Venus

> > effects

> > > > strengthing and that person gets involved with

> > > > something like that.But as I said Jupiter will

> > > > protect

> > > > and he will even keep such a realtionship

> > > throughout

> > > > Life may be just as Friend or relationship or

> > mind

> > > > and

> > > > soul(will like to talk or spent sometime,may

> not

> > > be

> > > > too phyical).so that person or relationship

> > create

> > > > because of jupiter will wtill be divine.Not to

> > > foget

> > > > Jupiter should be strong placement + sign

> > > wise,else

> > > > he

> > > > will be deceiver,loose morals etc etc.

> > > >

> > > > There are such peoples in these world too,who

> > has

> > > > fall

> > > > in such relationship,will always be together

> may

> > > not

> > > > be physical but mind and soul experience

> > wise.that

> > > > is

> > > > more stronger than physical or lust of todays

> > > world

> > > > who trying to be professional from sexual to

> > > > business.

> > > >

> > > > Concluding all relationship made by Good

> jupiter

> > > is

> > > > of

> > > > Good morals,spiritual,mind and soul exp.As

> > Jupiter

> > > > signifies spiritualism,so that tint will

> always

> > be

> > > > observable in such relationship.

> > > >

> > > > Same will be for Venus.Even exalted Venus make

> > > > indulge

> > > > in many people,but I guess they are trying for

> > > > something deeper than physical and that is a

> > > reason

> > > > that go through what that have to and time

> also

> > > > comes

> > > > when they leave everything.Even Rahu in Taurus

> > > > signifies same thing moe of mind and soul

> > > > relationship

> > > > than physical at all.Such people are more

> prone

> > > > towards Kundalini act and to crack unknown

> myths

> > > of

> > > > these world has.

> > > >

> > > > Most of charts,even for models,actress or

> anyone

> > > > from

> > > > film industry,you will find there planets are

> > > mostly

> > > > debiliated or Venus aflicted by Mars,Saturn or

> > > Rahu

> > > > or

> > > > even weaker Moon.They believe more in

> acheiving

> > > > materialistic values and body rather than

> being

> > > > spiritual.There spiritualism is also for

> > material

> > > > benefits.If anyone has such examples I would

> > like

> > > to

> > > > comment on that....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- bharateiya <bharateiya wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Namaskaar Shripal

> > > > >

> > > > > That is why I said, you have to view these

> > > > > combinations in view of

> > > > > other placements and combinations.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any relationship borne out of pure love

> > > (complete

> > > > > identification as in

> > > > > case of Krishna) cannot be illicit. I

> usually

> > > > > refrain from using such

> > > > > words like illicit or "prostitute", etc. I

> am

> > > sure

> > > > > you know the reason

> > > > > why. However, since it was being used in

> the

>

=== message truncated ===

 

 

many thanks

angel goel

===================

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Angel,

In the data given by you iam correcting"10th lord (mercury?) is present in 10th

house".if iam wrong just correct me.

Also I would have liked to know stellar positions in this case for a relevant

delineation.

I feel here the mention is about venus as the house is of Taurus?(10th for Leo

ascendents)

Lagna lord is posited with enemies house in Artha bhava.

2nd lord in 9th and 11th lord as 12 th from own house.This signifies financialy

not very sound and family in the grip of always finances.

 

Yogakarak jupiter represents 5th and 8th houses placed in 9th in Dharma as well

as artha(being 2nd from pisces) getting effected through rahu Ketu axis.

 

Am I right if i say the influence of 3rd lord Venus is posited in 8th from his

own house (oflibra) though 10th taurus belongs his own house.In his work place

or his own field of livelyhood he acts like robinhood.

Effect of Rahu-Ketu on this native is very important as really he goes in making

very sweet talk and makes friendship but certainly influenced by sexual

orientation(being 8th from 3rd).

 

Another important issue that is of concern is 6th and 7th lord is posited in 12

the, a watery sign and debilitated along with the lord of 4th and 9th.it is but

natural that he/she was never at home with his(her) own people.

Though spirtual in orientation but in reality and in action has less reflection

with his natural and aggresssive outlook.Also in his own mind he is not

courageous but can go around get hooked to friends(either sex)

Influence of 6th and 7th lord getting posited in 12th also indicates his own

health and finances were never giving confidence to him.

Supposed to have got the support of authorities (and kings/rulers) but could

never enjoy the benifits in making his own fortune due to his changing mood and

also high ambitions and prefering new environments than to settledown in one

place.

Atleast 3/4 changes in working environment.

 

>From Sun(important as lagna also),9th and 10 th is makara and Kumbha indicating

his working environement is related to providing services.Moon's(manah karak)

position as 8th from sun in a fiery sign also indicates native is some what

emotional and would be in hurry to do things.

Sun(remember as lagna) as natural karak of father is certainly not at home due

to his placement in debilitated sign of mars along with saturn..Also saturn's

aspect on jupiter and ketu(placed in 9th from lagna) too is not really

cherishable indicating cold war with father.I admit father must be certainly a

chaste and religious oriented person and even the son to is not averse except

that his moon in 5th (from lagna)brings him closer to opposite sex.

it is natural that he is a person of blow hot and blow cold nature.

 

Now to complete i revert to the position of moon as lagna(rasi) and find

problems here also.Moon as natural mother is also placed in 6th from own sign of

cancer in Sagittarus.

 

Position of sun ,venus,Mercury in 6th (kama bhava) always lead self

gratification of his sexual needs.No doubt his biological needs have to be a

priority and health wise too not without problems.Possibility of some surgical

remedies particularly appendicitis/stones and ven tonsils must have taken place.

As moon is apscted by jupiter,causing a raja yoga,he must have felt and behaved

like a prince no doubt.Yet could not really come out from avaerage achievements

due to 5th lord mars is in 4th from thereand associated with 2nd and 3rd

lords.Relations with mother are not very intimate and close.

His communications are sweet and low .

 

To sum up all three as lagnas:

1)native is never at home with himself as his innerself different from his

external posture

2) wants to be royal and expects people to be obedient and serving to him

3) lucky to have a good father but never to follow in his ideals

4)Interrested in worship and even occult sciences but not away from bodily

relations

5)Lucky that he is capable of exploring new environments and make career

6)10th from moon and sun indicate his association with service industry

particularly education.communication etc

7) Last but not least family life and nearness to spouse is doubtful

You will forgive me in the absence of navamsa indications if something if i have

emphasised from the planet position without confirming to navamsa positions.

Also when we really look into astrological aspects we need to ascertain comfort

of lagna lord from the degrees and avastha of planets there too.

I only wish that i would like to be close to your expectations and feel i have

justified to your views.

Thanx

krishnan

angel <angelgoel wrote:

Hi Krishnan

 

Thanks for reply!

 

Can you pls tell me what problems on father's

side.Presence of Jup/Ketu in 9th shud have been

benefical for father.

 

Regarding education,then she is post graduate and

working.

Rasi chart:-

Asc:Leo empty

Rahu : 3rd house

Moon : 5th

Jup+Ketu : 9th

Sun+Venus+Mer : 10th house.

Sat+Mars : 12th house

 

Sun (being lagna lord) present in 10th house is good.

Also 10th lord (mercury) is present in 10th house.

 

regards

angel

 

--- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

 

> Hello Angel,

> jupiter and ketu in Dhrma bahva is good

> may be father side problem>as leo ascdt she must be

> litterally good and not of very high educations but

> with faith.as far as morals might be ok.but

> biologically depending on venus must be looking

> around/prowling.

> loose morla sin any case r not just with jupiter

> alone

> krishnan

>

> angel <angelgoel wrote:

> Hi Shirpal

>

> My cousin sister has Jup+Ketu in 9th house (she has

> leo asc in rasi chart).

>

> she is definitely not of loose morals...we lived in

> same house for more than 20 years and i can say that

> her morals are high. She is very studious & hard

> working and goal oriented. infact she is verr god

> fearing nature. but at the same time very stubborn.

>

> many thanks

> angel

>

> --- Shripal <d_shripal wrote:

>

> > Hi Mukesh,

> >

> > A individual has Jupiter + Ketu in Aries in 11th

> > house.

> > A family oreinted person who might have spiritual

> > inclination,He is not sanyasi or yogi,But yes does

> > go

> > to religious places and do religious activities in

> > his

> > day to day Life.In Business he is of loose

> morals,he

> > should be living away from his home and

> > parents.However 11th lord is debiliated,does he

> has

> > more girls as friend and strain in relationship

> with

> > them.

> >

> > I cannot just predict on basis of jupiter,So

> > reflecting various aspect.Venus in 12th with Mer

> > and

> > Sun is creating a doubt about him be a chaste.As

> mre

> > dasa has started he will definately a flirt

> > too.Please

> > verify....

> >

> > --- MUKESH ANAND <mukesha_us wrote:

> >

> > > namaskar shripal,

> > > can u just let me know how is jupitor postion

> with

> > > respect to this discussion in the follwing

> chart.

> > > 23.may.1976

> > > 07.22 am

> > > delhi

> > >

> > > regards

> > > mukesh anand

> > >

> > > --- Shripal <d_shripal wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi Bharat and All,

> > > >

> > > > Adding to my previous point and you have

> > explained

> > > > it

> > > > very well about Love,when jupiter creates any

> > kind

> > > > of

> > > > relationship with other women than your

> > Wife,even

> > > if

> > > > she is married or prostitute etc etc.

> > > >

> > > > Here you have to minutely observe a chart,A

> rahu

> > > or

> > > > Mars or afflicted Venus roles must have plaed

> > > during

> > > > transit.which means person is very spiritual

> or

> > > > principled or ethically of high grade and

> > > indulging

> > > > in

> > > > any such activities,mostly due to transit

> > Jupiter

> > > > weakening and Rahu,Mars or afflicted Venus

> > effects

> > > > strengthing and that person gets involved with

> > > > something like that.But as I said Jupiter will

> > > > protect

> > > > and he will even keep such a realtionship

> > > throughout

> > > > Life may be just as Friend or relationship or

> > mind

> > > > and

> > > > soul(will like to talk or spent sometime,may

> not

> > > be

> > > > too phyical).so that person or relationship

> > create

> > > > because of jupiter will wtill be divine.Not to

> > > foget

> > > > Jupiter should be strong placement + sign

> > > wise,else

> > > > he

> > > > will be deceiver,loose morals etc etc.

> > > >

> > > > There are such peoples in these world too,who

> > has

> > > > fall

> > > > in such relationship,will always be together

> may

> > > not

> > > > be physical but mind and soul experience

> > wise.that

> > > > is

> > > > more stronger than physical or lust of todays

> > > world

> > > > who trying to be professional from sexual to

> > > > business.

> > > >

> > > > Concluding all relationship made by Good

> jupiter

> > > is

> > > > of

> > > > Good morals,spiritual,mind and soul exp.As

> > Jupiter

> > > > signifies spiritualism,so that tint will

> always

> > be

> > > > observable in such relationship.

> > > >

> > > > Same will be for Venus.Even exalted Venus make

> > > > indulge

> > > > in many people,but I guess they are trying for

> > > > something deeper than physical and that is a

> > > reason

> > > > that go through what that have to and time

> also

> > > > comes

> > > > when they leave everything.Even Rahu in Taurus

> > > > signifies same thing moe of mind and soul

> > > > relationship

> > > > than physical at all.Such people are more

> prone

> > > > towards Kundalini act and to crack unknown

> myths

> > > of

> > > > these world has.

> > > >

> > > > Most of charts,even for models,actress or

> anyone

> > > > from

> > > > film industry,you will find there planets are

> > > mostly

> > > > debiliated or Venus aflicted by Mars,Saturn or

> > > Rahu

> > > > or

> > > > even weaker Moon.They believe more in

> acheiving

> > > > materialistic values and body rather than

> being

> > > > spiritual.There spiritualism is also for

> > material

> > > > benefits.If anyone has such examples I would

> > like

> > > to

> > > > comment on that....

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- bharateiya <bharateiya wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Namaskaar Shripal

> > > > >

> > > > > That is why I said, you have to view these

> > > > > combinations in view of

> > > > > other placements and combinations.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any relationship borne out of pure love

> > > (complete

> > > > > identification as in

> > > > > case of Krishna) cannot be illicit. I

> usually

> > > > > refrain from using such

> > > > > words like illicit or "prostitute", etc. I

> am

> > > sure

> > > > > you know the reason

> > > > > why. However, since it was being used in

> the

>

=== message truncated ===

 

 

many thanks

angel goel

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