Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Dear friends, two negatives make a positive- inability to produce bad results by planets being in check or weakened by being badly placed may be the underlying principle in operation in VRY. Yes, this may hold good for planets (lords of 12th house of negligence/ badly trained/ illtrained and 6th lord= aggresiveness/ selfishness/ drudgery (repeatetive and unintelligent type of actions) when placed in 8th house of (rash or thoughtless actions). There is doubt regarding- weakenss of such planets if placed in 6,12 houses can give rise to sustainable VRY. With regards, Srikanta , "jugal joshi" <jjugal@r...> wrote: > Respected Members > > By applying the same analogy (e.i. negative multiplied with negati ve) minus can Jupiter in Capricorn in the 12 th house will turn exalted instead of debilitated. > > Jugal > > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 Astrologer Ashutosh wrote : > >Dear Tanvir, > > > > A very good and helpful description of VRY. I would like to add that if the trik-sthan (6,8 &12 houses) lords are in trik-sthans but in strong condition or with strong benefic planets, there is no VRY applicable. It is applicable only when the said lords are in weak condition, debiliated or with malefics. > > > > For example, moon in scorpio in 12th house, saturn in aries in 8th house, jupiter in capricorn in 6th house, etc. Such planets will give good results in their dashas, but with severe ups and down because the negativity of these houses cannot be cancelled. > > > > The principle behind VRY is that negative multiplied by negative becomes positive. It is like keeping a thief in a dungeon where he is powerless to do anything. > > > > Ashutosh. > > > > > > - > > Tanvir > > > > Wednesday, August 10, 2005 21:35 > > Re: presence of 6th lord in 8th > > > > > > Hello Angel : > > > > 6L in 8H / 12H = VRY > > 8L in 6H / 12H = VRY > > 12L in 6H / 8H = VRY > > > > VRY means Vipreet Raja Yoga > > > > 6L in 6H, 8L in 8H, 12L in 12H are no VRY but respectively Harsha, Sharala, Vimala Yogas. That's simply opposit of VRY. > > > > Now you have to understand the basic mecanism why these VRY works. 6, 8, 12 houses and lords generally cause problems in life like 6L / 6H is struggle, unnecessary problems, works do not get done. It is also (thus) the house of poverty. The 8H is against prosperity and fortune (12th or loss from 9H) too. Thus when 6L in 8H or 8L in 6H then the malefic house is damaged by the malefic planet and vice versa. Thus poverty and obstructions to fortune get destroyed by each other. Thus by destroying 8H the native's prosperity is at ease and so is by destroying 6H (poverty). These help EARLY and EASY prosperity in life. However contrary to this statement, it would not apply if the prosperity lord itself (9L) is weak etc., but from the part of 8L and 6L, they offer the ease they can. > > > > Thus VRY causes a relatively easy prosperity and status. Many of the VRY holders are born in rich families, thus a ready-made prosperity. Many of them enjoys a ready made riches from their childhood and also partying, socialization, fun, joys, entertainment etc as 6L and 8L etc are weak. On the other hand, having strong 9L etc would cause prosperity but if 6L and 8L are also strong then the native would have to earn it through work and no ready made prosperity like VRY. This is my experience most of the times. > > > > VRY involving 8L and 6L (or those houses) are generally worthy than involving 12H / 12L. > > > > However in general strong 6L would cause victory over enemies but then it doesnt mean VRY holders cannot have it. Much things to consider here. > > > > I hope it explains your ques. > > > > PS. Try to understand the reasons behind any yoga. Do not believe in any yogas offhand, but see the machanism. Harsha and Vimala are all worthless theories as per my experience if one tries to apply them in a readymade manner. 6L in 6H is suppossed to cause HARSHA (joy) but in real it only causes much grief and poverty only exception is if other factors are strongly against. Maha Purusha yogas are again worthless if one applies them blindly. > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > >- ----------- > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > b.. > > > > > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > > > >- ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 asksrikanta <asksrikanta wrote:Dear friends, two negatives make a positive- inability to produce bad results by planets being in check or weakened by being badly placed may be the underlying principle in operation in VRY. Yes, this may hold good for planets (lords of 12th house of negligence/ badly trained/ illtrained and 6th lord= aggresiveness/ selfishness/ drudgery (repeatetive and unintelligent type of actions) when placed in 8th house of (rash or thoughtless actions). There is doubt regarding- weakenss of such planets if placed in 6,12 houses can give rise to sustainable VRY. With regards, Srikanta , "jugal joshi" <jjugal@r...> wrote: > Respected Members > > By applying the same analogy (e.i. negative multiplied with negati ve) minus can Jupiter in Capricorn in the 12 th house will turn exalted instead of debilitated. > > Jugal > > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 Astrologer Ashutosh wrote : > >Dear Tanvir, > > > > A very good and helpful description of VRY. I would like to add that if the trik-sthan (6,8 &12 houses) lords are in trik-sthans but in strong condition or with strong benefic planets, there is no VRY applicable. It is applicable only when the said lords are in weak condition, debiliated or with malefics. > > > > For example, moon in scorpio in 12th house, saturn in aries in 8th house, jupiter in capricorn in 6th house, etc. Such planets will give good results in their dashas, but with severe ups and down because the negativity of these houses cannot be cancelled. > > > > The principle behind VRY is that negative multiplied by negative becomes positive. It is like keeping a thief in a dungeon where he is powerless to do anything. > > > > Ashutosh. > > > > > > - > > Tanvir > > > > Wednesday, August 10, 2005 21:35 > > Re: presence of 6th lord in 8th > > > > > > Hello Angel : > > > > 6L in 8H / 12H = VRY > > 8L in 6H / 12H = VRY > > 12L in 6H / 8H = VRY > > > > VRY means Vipreet Raja Yoga > > > > 6L in 6H, 8L in 8H, 12L in 12H are no VRY but respectively Harsha, Sharala, Vimala Yogas. That's simply opposit of VRY. > > > > Now you have to understand the basic mecanism why these VRY works. 6, 8, 12 houses and lords generally cause problems in life like 6L / 6H is struggle, unnecessary problems, works do not get done. It is also (thus) the house of poverty. The 8H is against prosperity and fortune (12th or loss from 9H) too. Thus when 6L in 8H or 8L in 6H then the malefic house is damaged by the malefic planet and vice versa. Thus poverty and obstructions to fortune get destroyed by each other. Thus by destroying 8H the native's prosperity is at ease and so is by destroying 6H (poverty). These help EARLY and EASY prosperity in life. However contrary to this statement, it would not apply if the prosperity lord itself (9L) is weak etc., but from the part of 8L and 6L, they offer the ease they can. > > > > Thus VRY causes a relatively easy prosperity and status. Many of the VRY holders are born in rich families, thus a ready-made prosperity. Many of them enjoys a ready made riches from their childhood and also partying, socialization, fun, joys, entertainment etc as 6L and 8L etc are weak. On the other hand, having strong 9L etc would cause prosperity but if 6L and 8L are also strong then the native would have to earn it through work and no ready made prosperity like VRY. This is my experience most of the times. > > > > VRY involving 8L and 6L (or those houses) are generally worthy than involving 12H / 12L. > > > > However in general strong 6L would cause victory over enemies but then it doesnt mean VRY holders cannot have it. Much things to consider here. > > > > I hope it explains your ques. > > > > PS. Try to understand the reasons behind any yoga. Do not believe in any yogas offhand, but see the machanism. Harsha and Vimala are all worthless theories as per my experience if one tries to apply them in a readymade manner. 6L in 6H is suppossed to cause HARSHA (joy) but in real it only causes much grief and poverty only exception is if other factors are strongly against. Maha Purusha yogas are again worthless if one applies them blindly. > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > >- ----------- > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > b.. > > > > > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > > > >- ----------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. 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Guest guest Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Dear Shri Tanvir ji KAD and Srikanta ji, What you have mentiond bears truth and is afact too:VRY causes a relatively easy prosperity and status. Many of the VRY holders are born in rich families, thus a ready-made prosperity. Many of them enjoys a ready made riches from their childhood and also partying, socialization, fun, joys, entertainment etc as 6L and 8L etc are weak Is it that fortunes favours only those who are lucky? What I feel that VRY is only a topic made about the dusthanas/trishadhayees to explain for these lords and house causing some abrupt prosperty. This abrupt prosperty can be more explicable from the 9th house than the planets palced in these houses. In fact in some of the known case the persons who have some fortune all of sudden have six finguers to their right hand and such fortune came their way in the middle of forties of age. And KAD has come up with freequencies and potencies of various signs capability of causing VRY.Though it is intersting to know but application is very elusive. For that matter the VRY itself is to explain for the events that happen exactly opposite than what cane be made out of thes dusthans. If 6,8 and 12 houses all of a sudden made some fortune through these lords/placement of malefic planets it is VRY. May be clasifying the palnets as strong and weak with reference to these houses/dusthanas has no relevance as it is really to difficult establish the VRY unlike other raja yogas. asksrikanta <asksrikanta wrote: Dear friends, two negatives make a positive- inability to produce bad results by planets being in check or weakened by being badly placed may be the underlying principle in operation in VRY. Yes, this may hold good for planets (lords of 12th house of negligence/ badly trained/ illtrained and 6th lord= aggresiveness/ selfishness/ drudgery (repeatetive and unintelligent type of actions) when placed in 8th house of (rash or thoughtless actions). There is doubt regarding- weakenss of such planets if placed in 6,12 houses can give rise to sustainable VRY. With regards, Srikanta , "jugal joshi" <jjugal@r...> wrote: > Respected Members > > By applying the same analogy (e.i. negative multiplied with negati ve) minus can Jupiter in Capricorn in the 12 th house will turn exalted instead of debilitated. > > Jugal > > > On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 Astrologer Ashutosh wrote : > >Dear Tanvir, > > > > A very good and helpful description of VRY. I would like to add that if the trik-sthan (6,8 &12 houses) lords are in trik-sthans but in strong condition or with strong benefic planets, there is no VRY applicable. It is applicable only when the said lords are in weak condition, debiliated or with malefics. > > > > For example, moon in scorpio in 12th house, saturn in aries in 8th house, jupiter in capricorn in 6th house, etc. Such planets will give good results in their dashas, but with severe ups and down because the negativity of these houses cannot be cancelled. > > > > The principle behind VRY is that negative multiplied by negative becomes positive. It is like keeping a thief in a dungeon where he is powerless to do anything. > > > > Ashutosh. > > > > > > - > > Tanvir > > > > Wednesday, August 10, 2005 21:35 > > Re: presence of 6th lord in 8th > > > > > > Hello Angel : > > > > 6L in 8H / 12H = VRY > > 8L in 6H / 12H = VRY > > 12L in 6H / 8H = VRY > > > > VRY means Vipreet Raja Yoga > > > > 6L in 6H, 8L in 8H, 12L in 12H are no VRY but respectively Harsha, Sharala, Vimala Yogas. That's simply opposit of VRY. > > > > Now you have to understand the basic mecanism why these VRY works. 6, 8, 12 houses and lords generally cause problems in life like 6L / 6H is struggle, unnecessary problems, works do not get done. It is also (thus) the house of poverty. The 8H is against prosperity and fortune (12th or loss from 9H) too. Thus when 6L in 8H or 8L in 6H then the malefic house is damaged by the malefic planet and vice versa. Thus poverty and obstructions to fortune get destroyed by each other. Thus by destroying 8H the native's prosperity is at ease and so is by destroying 6H (poverty). These help EARLY and EASY prosperity in life. However contrary to this statement, it would not apply if the prosperity lord itself (9L) is weak etc., but from the part of 8L and 6L, they offer the ease they can. > > > > Thus VRY causes a relatively easy prosperity and status. Many of the VRY holders are born in rich families, thus a ready-made prosperity. Many of them enjoys a ready made riches from their childhood and also partying, socialization, fun, joys, entertainment etc as 6L and 8L etc are weak. On the other hand, having strong 9L etc would cause prosperity but if 6L and 8L are also strong then the native would have to earn it through work and no ready made prosperity like VRY. This is my experience most of the times. > > > > VRY involving 8L and 6L (or those houses) are generally worthy than involving 12H / 12L. > > > > However in general strong 6L would cause victory over enemies but then it doesnt mean VRY holders cannot have it. Much things to consider here. > > > > I hope it explains your ques. > > > > PS. Try to understand the reasons behind any yoga. Do not believe in any yogas offhand, but see the machanism. Harsha and Vimala are all worthless theories as per my experience if one tries to apply them in a readymade manner. 6L in 6H is suppossed to cause HARSHA (joy) but in real it only causes much grief and poverty only exception is if other factors are strongly against. Maha Purusha yogas are again worthless if one applies them blindly. > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > What cannot happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > > Where relief and solutions are found > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > >- ----------- > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > b.. > > > > > > c.. 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