Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Dear Friends, Some how I was refering to some Astrological books/magazines and could lay my hand on a A.M which refers to Prasno pansihad and has clear reference to reproduction. Infact when the whole world was ingnorant about craetion of human life it was discovered by our ancient sages and recorded the facts in a very difficult language. Even sloka 19 and 20 of Chapter 78 of Brihat Samhita deal with ferilisation in women can be diagnosed(anlysis of menustral flow) Also they have given the basis for formation of male and female child(sloka23) based on the position of foetus. Further great caution was also exercised in begetting children.Astrology has all fundamentals of conception.They have to knowledge to plan for sex( without DNA tests harmful to mother and scanning) This theory was developed based on moon as well as mensrtaion of women and it's link to fertilisation process: 16th day of menustration: a scholarly boy 15th day:satwic girl 14th day:satwic boy 13th day: bad natured girl 12th day: intelligent boy 11th ugly girl 10th day :kingly natured boy 9th day: beatiful girl 8th day: impotent boy 7th day: afemale child but barren Thus nature of child also could be predicted based on conception as above. let's us really join in appreciating the wisdom behind all these writings: <<<How genius were they to anticipate techno advances>>>KAD is absolutely right when he says like this. Sages have many more revealations only problem is the language of vedic times ..It always gave different meanings :one for lay man and the other for scholarly. It is not at all correct to pronounce and underscore our great heriatage.They found answers for every thing even now science is still grappling and unable to come up with proper answers. <<I wonder what the sages would say about using invitro fertization>>> This is no wonder as the insemination process is by aided means and based on lab facilities. yet conception and delivery of child remained the same krishnan > > technology to have a baby in this present time. kadrudra <kadrudra wrote: Dear Arjun, Thanks for understanding my words. Exactly as you say, any vedic process - may not be only rituals - were started for a great cause, which we really are unaware of. All we debate on is just on our perception of the 'existing form' of Vedic practice we see, hear, learn and understand. When we are at the stage of just anticipating 'what they were', it is incorrect to brand them as orthodox or 'just written in books' or useless. yours KAD , arjun pandit <panditarjun2004> wrote: > Dear KADji > from the post, one can understand that u r well-read of our puranas. emphasising the last sentence you wrote, since kali yuga is different from its previous three predecessors, and dharam is ruling on one pada instead of 4 in satya yuga, for this yuga, those who protect the dharma are protected and blessed by god. in recent posts, few members had observed their scepticism in rituals. arya samaj has shown with evidence how an entire family in bhopal was saved in the dreaded gasleak decades ago only because of their daily havan which did not allow killer gases to land onto them and their entire family was saved. even lord saibaba (a muslim) performed daily havan and his divine miracles need no explanation. so my only request to those who cannot follow rituals or believe in rituals is not to brand them as orthodox or useless. > with best wishes > arjun > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > Dear John, > > As I already wrote in my other post, IVF or fertilization external to > womb is not a > new concept to Vedic culture. There are many examples available in > Vedic history like: > > 1.Sage Agastya and Sage VasiShTha - were born in a water-pitcher when > Mitra and Varuna > placed their seeds in it wishing to get Urvashi, the nymph. > 2.Acharya Drona - was born in a bowl(=droNa) when the semen of > Maharshi Bharadwaja leaked into > it on seeing a nymph named Ghritachi. > 3.ShaNmukha - son of Shiva was born due to release of REATS of Shiva > into space, carried > by Agni to six star-women of Krittika(Pleidas). > 4.Matsya Hanuman - was born when a drop of semen from Hanuman > crossing the Indian Ocean fell into > the mouth of a Matasya Kanya - a mermaid/fish below. > ....there are so many other examples too...the list continues..... > > The Kauravas of Mahabharata were born by CLONING technique, which was > already known! > So, all these were considered LEGAL births and Shastra or sages > accepted them, for they > were needed for a great cause. All those births resulted in great > persons; becasue they were planned so! > > Can we guarantee now? Surely, we do not have that capacity to judge; > and the YUGA is different! > > yours humbly > KAD > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> wrote: > > To all members: > > > > I wonder what the sages would say about using invitro fertization > > technology to have a baby in this present time. Should this > > technology be encouraged? Or, do the shastras have any prohibition > > against such technology? > > > > Regards, > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > > wrote: > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > May look funny, but the caerasean births are AYONI JANMA and > astro- > > > classical texts > > > deal with great details. Also there are astro-dictum available > for > > > judging FORCED birth. > > > There are also great details in astro-classical texts > > > describing 'shastra ghaata' to > > > the mother while a native is born ie use of a weapon at birth. > > > Besides, there is a wonderful DEFINITION of 'birth' according > sages: > > > > > > kritevAdhAnalagnam tu tretAyAm puMsavanam(jalodayam) tathA | > > > dvApare shIrshodayam syAt kalau bhUpatanam smr.tam || > > > > > > which means: > > > The Lagna defining the time of birth shall correspond to > conception > > > in KritaYuga, > > > pumsavana process(some say jalodaya = burst of water bag around > the > > > baby) in TretaYuga, > > > the rise of HEAD(or body in general) of the baby at birth in > > > DvaparaYuga and > > > the GROUND-TOUCH of the baby in KaliYuga ie now. > > > How genius were they to anticipate techno advances! > > > > > > So, even now, in kaliyuga, in which caesarean birth are becoming > > more > > > in number, still > > > the dictum is clear and holds good! Whether the birth is natural > > (even > > > if it is unnatural or supernatural) > > > a birth is a BIRTH now only at the ground-touch moment of the > baby, > > > astrologically! > > > Ground here is EARTHY existence and is not to be confused with > real > > > sand or land touching the baby. > > > > > > Hope I am clear! > > > yours > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ashwin_062k" > > > <ashwin_062k> wrote: > > > > Dear Gurujans !! > > > > > > > > In the present day moden world with technological advancement, > > > > cesearian cases have become a regular feature for birth of a > > > child. I > > > > have come across few cases where parents even decide the date > and > > > time > > > > in which the operation to be undertaken. > > > > > > > > These things rises a question in my mind about the correctness > of > > > > predictions by any astrologer based on chart to that of the > fate > > of > > > the > > > > soul which is pre-defined by HIM. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Sridhar SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Dear Krihnan, The results given from 7th to 16th day of mensuration are what are these the dates of month or it is concerened with the lunar cycle. Brijesh vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Dear Friends, Some how I was refering to some Astrological books/magazines and could lay my hand on a A.M which refers to Prasno pansihad and has clear reference to reproduction. Infact when the whole world was ingnorant about craetion of human life it was discovered by our ancient sages and recorded the facts in a very difficult language. Even sloka 19 and 20 of Chapter 78 of Brihat Samhita deal with ferilisation in women can be diagnosed(anlysis of menustral flow) Also they have given the basis for formation of male and female child(sloka23) based on the position of foetus. Further great caution was also exercised in begetting children.Astrology has all fundamentals of conception.They have to knowledge to plan for sex( without DNA tests harmful to mother and scanning) This theory was developed based on moon as well as mensrtaion of women and it's link to fertilisation process: 16th day of menustration: a scholarly boy 15th day:satwic girl 14th day:satwic boy 13th day: bad natured girl 12th day: intelligent boy 11th ugly girl 10th day :kingly natured boy 9th day: beatiful girl 8th day: impotent boy 7th day: afemale child but barren Thus nature of child also could be predicted based on conception as above. let's us really join in appreciating the wisdom behind all these writings: <<<How genius were they to anticipate techno advances>>>KAD is absolutely right when he says like this. Sages have many more revealations only problem is the language of vedic times ..It always gave different meanings :one for lay man and the other for scholarly. It is not at all correct to pronounce and underscore our great heriatage.They found answers for every thing even now science is still grappling and unable to come up with proper answers. <<I wonder what the sages would say about using invitro fertization>>> This is no wonder as the insemination process is by aided means and based on lab facilities. yet conception and delivery of child remained the same krishnan > > technology to have a baby in this present time. kadrudra <kadrudra wrote: Dear Arjun, Thanks for understanding my words. Exactly as you say, any vedic process - may not be only rituals - were started for a great cause, which we really are unaware of. All we debate on is just on our perception of the 'existing form' of Vedic practice we see, hear, learn and understand. When we are at the stage of just anticipating 'what they were', it is incorrect to brand them as orthodox or 'just written in books' or useless. yours KAD , arjun pandit <panditarjun2004> wrote: > Dear KADji > from the post, one can understand that u r well-read of our puranas. emphasising the last sentence you wrote, since kali yuga is different from its previous three predecessors, and dharam is ruling on one pada instead of 4 in satya yuga, for this yuga, those who protect the dharma are protected and blessed by god. in recent posts, few members had observed their scepticism in rituals. arya samaj has shown with evidence how an entire family in bhopal was saved in the dreaded gasleak decades ago only because of their daily havan which did not allow killer gases to land onto them and their entire family was saved. even lord saibaba (a muslim) performed daily havan and his divine miracles need no explanation. so my only request to those who cannot follow rituals or believe in rituals is not to brand them as orthodox or useless. > with best wishes > arjun > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > Dear John, > > As I already wrote in my other post, IVF or fertilization external to > womb is not a > new concept to Vedic culture. There are many examples available in > Vedic history like: > > 1.Sage Agastya and Sage VasiShTha - were born in a water-pitcher when > Mitra and Varuna > placed their seeds in it wishing to get Urvashi, the nymph. > 2.Acharya Drona - was born in a bowl(=droNa) when the semen of > Maharshi Bharadwaja leaked into > it on seeing a nymph named Ghritachi. > 3.ShaNmukha - son of Shiva was born due to release of REATS of Shiva > into space, carried > by Agni to six star-women of Krittika(Pleidas). > 4.Matsya Hanuman - was born when a drop of semen from Hanuman > crossing the Indian Ocean fell into > the mouth of a Matasya Kanya - a mermaid/fish below. > ....there are so many other examples too...the list continues..... > > The Kauravas of Mahabharata were born by CLONING technique, which was > already known! > So, all these were considered LEGAL births and Shastra or sages > accepted them, for they > were needed for a great cause. All those births resulted in great > persons; becasue they were planned so! > > Can we guarantee now? Surely, we do not have that capacity to judge; > and the YUGA is different! > > yours humbly > KAD > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> wrote: > > To all members: > > > > I wonder what the sages would say about using invitro fertization > > technology to have a baby in this present time. Should this > > technology be encouraged? Or, do the shastras have any prohibition > > against such technology? > > > > Regards, > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > > wrote: > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > May look funny, but the caerasean births are AYONI JANMA and > astro- > > > classical texts > > > deal with great details. Also there are astro-dictum available > for > > > judging FORCED birth. > > > There are also great details in astro-classical texts > > > describing 'shastra ghaata' to > > > the mother while a native is born ie use of a weapon at birth. > > > Besides, there is a wonderful DEFINITION of 'birth' according > sages: > > > > > > kritevAdhAnalagnam tu tretAyAm puMsavanam(jalodayam) tathA | > > > dvApare shIrshodayam syAt kalau bhUpatanam smr.tam || > > > > > > which means: > > > The Lagna defining the time of birth shall correspond to > conception > > > in KritaYuga, > > > pumsavana process(some say jalodaya = burst of water bag around > the > > > baby) in TretaYuga, > > > the rise of HEAD(or body in general) of the baby at birth in > > > DvaparaYuga and > > > the GROUND-TOUCH of the baby in KaliYuga ie now. > > > How genius were they to anticipate techno advances! > > > > > > So, even now, in kaliyuga, in which caesarean birth are becoming > > more > > > in number, still > > > the dictum is clear and holds good! Whether the birth is natural > > (even > > > if it is unnatural or supernatural) > > > a birth is a BIRTH now only at the ground-touch moment of the > baby, > > > astrologically! > > > Ground here is EARTHY existence and is not to be confused with > real > > > sand or land touching the baby. > > > > > > Hope I am clear! > > > yours > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ashwin_062k" > > > <ashwin_062k> wrote: > > > > Dear Gurujans !! > > > > > > > > In the present day moden world with technological advancement, > > > > cesearian cases have become a regular feature for birth of a > > > child. I > > > > have come across few cases where parents even decide the date > and > > > time > > > > in which the operation to be undertaken. > > > > > > > > These things rises a question in my mind about the correctness > of > > > > predictions by any astrologer based on chart to that of the > fate > > of > > > the > > > > soul which is pre-defined by HIM. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Sridhar SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. 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Guest guest Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 These days relate to reproductive cycle of a woman who undergoes menustration.The days indicated there in refer to after monthly course of menarchy.I A woman's menarche onset and continuation has very strong relation to moon and mars in any case krishnan brijesh bagga <brij731 wrote: Dear Krihnan, The results given from 7th to 16th day of mensuration are what are these the dates of month or it is concerened with the lunar cycle. Brijesh vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: Dear Friends, Some how I was refering to some Astrological books/magazines and could lay my hand on a A.M which refers to Prasno pansihad and has clear reference to reproduction. Infact when the whole world was ingnorant about craetion of human life it was discovered by our ancient sages and recorded the facts in a very difficult language. Even sloka 19 and 20 of Chapter 78 of Brihat Samhita deal with ferilisation in women can be diagnosed(anlysis of menustral flow) Also they have given the basis for formation of male and female child(sloka23) based on the position of foetus. Further great caution was also exercised in begetting children.Astrology has all fundamentals of conception.They have to knowledge to plan for sex( without DNA tests harmful to mother and scanning) This theory was developed based on moon as well as mensrtaion of women and it's link to fertilisation process: 16th day of menustration: a scholarly boy 15th day:satwic girl 14th day:satwic boy 13th day: bad natured girl 12th day: intelligent boy 11th ugly girl 10th day :kingly natured boy 9th day: beatiful girl 8th day: impotent boy 7th day: afemale child but barren Thus nature of child also could be predicted based on conception as above. let's us really join in appreciating the wisdom behind all these writings: <<<How genius were they to anticipate techno advances>>>KAD is absolutely right when he says like this. Sages have many more revealations only problem is the language of vedic times ..It always gave different meanings :one for lay man and the other for scholarly. It is not at all correct to pronounce and underscore our great heriatage.They found answers for every thing even now science is still grappling and unable to come up with proper answers. <<I wonder what the sages would say about using invitro fertization>>> This is no wonder as the insemination process is by aided means and based on lab facilities. yet conception and delivery of child remained the same krishnan > > technology to have a baby in this present time. kadrudra <kadrudra wrote: Dear Arjun, Thanks for understanding my words. Exactly as you say, any vedic process - may not be only rituals - were started for a great cause, which we really are unaware of. All we debate on is just on our perception of the 'existing form' of Vedic practice we see, hear, learn and understand. When we are at the stage of just anticipating 'what they were', it is incorrect to brand them as orthodox or 'just written in books' or useless. yours KAD , arjun pandit <panditarjun2004> wrote: > Dear KADji > from the post, one can understand that u r well-read of our puranas. emphasising the last sentence you wrote, since kali yuga is different from its previous three predecessors, and dharam is ruling on one pada instead of 4 in satya yuga, for this yuga, those who protect the dharma are protected and blessed by god. in recent posts, few members had observed their scepticism in rituals. arya samaj has shown with evidence how an entire family in bhopal was saved in the dreaded gasleak decades ago only because of their daily havan which did not allow killer gases to land onto them and their entire family was saved. even lord saibaba (a muslim) performed daily havan and his divine miracles need no explanation. so my only request to those who cannot follow rituals or believe in rituals is not to brand them as orthodox or useless. > with best wishes > arjun > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > Dear John, > > As I already wrote in my other post, IVF or fertilization external to > womb is not a > new concept to Vedic culture. There are many examples available in > Vedic history like: > > 1.Sage Agastya and Sage VasiShTha - were born in a water-pitcher when > Mitra and Varuna > placed their seeds in it wishing to get Urvashi, the nymph. > 2.Acharya Drona - was born in a bowl(=droNa) when the semen of > Maharshi Bharadwaja leaked into > it on seeing a nymph named Ghritachi. > 3.ShaNmukha - son of Shiva was born due to release of REATS of Shiva > into space, carried > by Agni to six star-women of Krittika(Pleidas). > 4.Matsya Hanuman - was born when a drop of semen from Hanuman > crossing the Indian Ocean fell into > the mouth of a Matasya Kanya - a mermaid/fish below. > ....there are so many other examples too...the list continues..... > > The Kauravas of Mahabharata were born by CLONING technique, which was > already known! > So, all these were considered LEGAL births and Shastra or sages > accepted them, for they > were needed for a great cause. All those births resulted in great > persons; becasue they were planned so! > > Can we guarantee now? Surely, we do not have that capacity to judge; > and the YUGA is different! > > yours humbly > KAD > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> wrote: > > To all members: > > > > I wonder what the sages would say about using invitro fertization > > technology to have a baby in this present time. Should this > > technology be encouraged? Or, do the shastras have any prohibition > > against such technology? > > > > Regards, > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > > wrote: > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > May look funny, but the caerasean births are AYONI JANMA and > astro- > > > classical texts > > > deal with great details. Also there are astro-dictum available > for > > > judging FORCED birth. > > > There are also great details in astro-classical texts > > > describing 'shastra ghaata' to > > > the mother while a native is born ie use of a weapon at birth. > > > Besides, there is a wonderful DEFINITION of 'birth' according > sages: > > > > > > kritevAdhAnalagnam tu tretAyAm puMsavanam(jalodayam) tathA | > > > dvApare shIrshodayam syAt kalau bhUpatanam smr.tam || > > > > > > which means: > > > The Lagna defining the time of birth shall correspond to > conception > > > in KritaYuga, > > > pumsavana process(some say jalodaya = burst of water bag around > the > > > baby) in TretaYuga, > > > the rise of HEAD(or body in general) of the baby at birth in > > > DvaparaYuga and > > > the GROUND-TOUCH of the baby in KaliYuga ie now. > > > How genius were they to anticipate techno advances! > > > > > > So, even now, in kaliyuga, in which caesarean birth are becoming > > more > > > in number, still > > > the dictum is clear and holds good! Whether the birth is natural > > (even > > > if it is unnatural or supernatural) > > > a birth is a BIRTH now only at the ground-touch moment of the > baby, > > > astrologically! > > > Ground here is EARTHY existence and is not to be confused with > real > > > sand or land touching the baby. > > > > > > Hope I am clear! > > > yours > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ashwin_062k" > > > <ashwin_062k> wrote: > > > > Dear Gurujans !! > > > > > > > > In the present day moden world with technological advancement, > > > > cesearian cases have become a regular feature for birth of a > > > child. I > > > > have come across few cases where parents even decide the date > and > > > time > > > > in which the operation to be undertaken. > > > > > > > > These things rises a question in my mind about the correctness > of > > > > predictions by any astrologer based on chart to that of the > fate > > of > > > the > > > > soul which is pre-defined by HIM. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Sridhar SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. Start your day with - make it your home page SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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