Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Namaste Krishnan, My concern is not about the technological feasibility of IVF. Science has proven that human babies have been created through this process. It appears that it's only a matter of time that humans can be cloned as well. However, I am wondering if this process is against the process of Nature. Are these scientists tampering with the fate of human beings? We have already read from other concerned scientists that genetically engineered plants and vegetables have deleterious effects on the environment. By the same token, human beings created through artificial means could have negative effects for the entire world population. One of the negative effects would be that weaker genes are being propagated in the human gene pool. As such, humans may rely more extensively on artificial means to propagate humans. Another effect would be that the human gene diversity would be lessened because of parental preference for the baby's physical attributes. That is, some parents may want a certain color or eyes, skin, and hair for the baby. By doing so, the natural diversity of the human gene pool would be compromised. Therefore, the gene pool would be susceptible to certain diseases, whether it be mental or physical. Is this the final outcome of Kali Yuga? These are the questions that need to be answered by politicians and ourselves to determine if these new fertilization technologies are beneficial for humans in the end. Regards, John R. , vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > Dear Friends, > Some how I was refering to some Astrological books/magazines and could lay my hand on a A.M which refers to Prasno pansihad and has clear reference to reproduction. > > Infact when the whole world was ingnorant about craetion of human life it was discovered by our ancient sages and recorded the facts in a very difficult language. > Even sloka 19 and 20 of Chapter 78 of Brihat Samhita deal with ferilisation in women can be diagnosed(anlysis of menustral flow) > Also they have given the basis for formation of male and female child(sloka23) based on the position of foetus. > Further great caution was also exercised in begetting children.Astrology has all fundamentals of conception.They have to knowledge to plan for sex( without DNA tests harmful to mother and scanning) > This theory was developed based on moon as well as mensrtaion of women and it's link to fertilisation process: > 16th day of menustration: a scholarly boy > 15th day:satwic girl > 14th day:satwic boy > 13th day: bad natured girl > 12th day: intelligent boy > 11th ugly girl > 10th day :kingly natured boy > 9th day: beatiful girl > 8th day: impotent boy > 7th day: afemale child but barren > Thus nature of child also could be predicted based on conception as above. > let's us really join in appreciating the wisdom behind all these writings: > <<<How genius were they to anticipate techno advances>>>KAD is absolutely right when he says like this. > > Sages have many more revealations only problem is the language of vedic times .It always gave different meanings :one for lay man and the other for scholarly. > It is not at all correct to pronounce and underscore our great heriatage.They found answers for every thing even now science is still grappling and unable to come up with proper answers. > <<I wonder what the sages would say about using invitro > fertization>>> > This is no wonder as the insemination process is by aided means and based on lab facilities. > yet conception and delivery of child remained the same > krishnan > > > technology to have a baby in this present time. > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > Dear Arjun, > > Thanks for understanding my words. Exactly as you say, any vedic > process - may not be only rituals - were started for a great cause, > which we really are unaware of. All we debate on is just on our > perception of the 'existing form' of Vedic practice we see, hear, > learn and understand. When we are at the stage of just > anticipating 'what they were', it is incorrect to brand them as > orthodox or 'just written in books' or useless. > > yours > KAD > > > > , arjun pandit > <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > Dear KADji > > from the post, one can understand that u r well-read of our > puranas. emphasising the last sentence you wrote, since kali yuga > is different from its previous three predecessors, and dharam is > ruling on one pada instead of 4 in satya yuga, for this yuga, those > who protect the dharma are protected and blessed by god. in recent > posts, few members had observed their scepticism in rituals. arya > samaj has shown with evidence how an entire family in bhopal was > saved in the dreaded gasleak decades ago only because of their daily > havan which did not allow killer gases to land onto them and their > entire family was saved. even lord saibaba (a muslim) performed > daily havan and his divine miracles need no explanation. so my only > request to those who cannot follow rituals or believe in rituals is > not to brand them as orthodox or useless. > > with best wishes > > arjun > > > > kadrudra <kadrudra> wrote: > > Dear John, > > > > As I already wrote in my other post, IVF or fertilization external > to > > womb is not a > > new concept to Vedic culture. There are many examples available in > > Vedic history like: > > > > 1.Sage Agastya and Sage VasiShTha - were born in a water-pitcher > when > > Mitra and Varuna > > placed their seeds in it wishing to get Urvashi, the nymph. > > 2.Acharya Drona - was born in a bowl(=droNa) when the semen of > > Maharshi Bharadwaja leaked into > > it on seeing a nymph named Ghritachi. > > 3.ShaNmukha - son of Shiva was born due to release of REATS of > Shiva > > into space, carried > > by Agni to six star-women of Krittika(Pleidas). > > 4.Matsya Hanuman - was born when a drop of semen from Hanuman > > crossing the Indian Ocean fell into > > the mouth of a Matasya Kanya - a mermaid/fish below. > > ....there are so many other examples too...the list continues..... > > > > The Kauravas of Mahabharata were born by CLONING technique, which > was > > already known! > > So, all these were considered LEGAL births and Shastra or sages > > accepted them, for they > > were needed for a great cause. All those births resulted in great > > persons; becasue they were planned so! > > > > Can we guarantee now? Surely, we do not have that capacity to > judge; > > and the YUGA is different! > > > > yours humbly > > KAD > > > > > > > > , "John" <jr_esq> > wrote: > > > To all members: > > > > > > I wonder what the sages would say about using invitro > fertization > > > technology to have a baby in this present time. Should this > > > technology be encouraged? Or, do the shastras have any > prohibition > > > against such technology? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kadrudra" > <kadrudra> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear friend, > > > > > > > > May look funny, but the caerasean births are AYONI JANMA and > > astro- > > > > classical texts > > > > deal with great details. Also there are astro-dictum available > > for > > > > judging FORCED birth. > > > > There are also great details in astro-classical texts > > > > describing 'shastra ghaata' to > > > > the mother while a native is born ie use of a weapon at birth. > > > > Besides, there is a wonderful DEFINITION of 'birth' according > > sages: > > > > > > > > kritevAdhAnalagnam tu tretAyAm puMsavanam(jalodayam) tathA | > > > > dvApare shIrshodayam syAt kalau bhUpatanam smr.tam || > > > > > > > > which means: > > > > The Lagna defining the time of birth shall correspond to > > conception > > > > in KritaYuga, > > > > pumsavana process(some say jalodaya = burst of water bag > around > > the > > > > baby) in TretaYuga, > > > > the rise of HEAD(or body in general) of the baby at birth in > > > > DvaparaYuga and > > > > the GROUND-TOUCH of the baby in KaliYuga ie now. > > > > How genius were they to anticipate techno advances! > > > > > > > > So, even now, in kaliyuga, in which caesarean birth are > becoming > > > more > > > > in number, still > > > > the dictum is clear and holds good! Whether the birth is > natural > > > (even > > > > if it is unnatural or supernatural) > > > > a birth is a BIRTH now only at the ground-touch moment of the > > baby, > > > > astrologically! > > > > Ground here is EARTHY existence and is not to be confused with > > real > > > > sand or land touching the baby. > > > > > > > > Hope I am clear! > > > > yours > > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ashwin_062k" > > > > <ashwin_062k> wrote: > > > > > Dear Gurujans !! > > > > > > > > > > In the present day moden world with technological > advancement, > > > > > cesearian cases have become a regular feature for birth of a > > > > child. I > > > > > have come across few cases where parents even decide the > date > > and > > > > time > > > > > in which the operation to be undertaken. > > > > > > > > > > These things rises a question in my mind about the > correctness > > of > > > > > predictions by any astrologer based on chart to that of the > > fate > > > of > > > > the > > > > > soul which is pre-defined by HIM. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Sridhar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. 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