Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Your friend has rahu, sun, and mercury very close to each other. Venus although in the same sign is very far away from these planets. Mercury the lagna lord is very close to sun the 12th house lord of hospitalization and malefic rahu. All three planets mercury, sun, and rahu become maraka planets for your friend as they are placed in jupiter's nakshatra. Jupiter rules 7th house and is placed in 7th house. The lagna lord mercury does not get any support from other functional benefics in the chart has led to sickness and hsopitalization because it is very close to 12th lord sun and evil rahu. G Singh , "hbk1hbk_2100" <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > I know it is difficult, but I know my chart so well because I studied > my chart with more than 100 astrologers all over world. I do not have > any guru. Every astrologer is different, knows some good stuff. I > spent few months with each one of them and learnt their techniques. > The reason I did not have health problems is that > > 1. The 6th 8th and 12th houses are empty. > > 2. I have jupiter, mercury ketu in mars nakshatra the ruler of 2nd > and 9th house. > > 3. Saturn Venus, Sun are in moon's nakshatra the ruler of 5th house > and placed in 10th house. > > 4. Only Mars gave me sickness few times because it is placed placed > in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. > > 5. I was sick few times in sun mahadasha because sun rules 6th house. > > 6. The reason why Venus gave me good results is that Venus and Moon > are in each other's nakshatra. So it was good for love and money. > > You think Mars will give me money. I think you are wrong because Mars > is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. My Mars dasha gave me overrall > happiness but I was very poor in Mars mahadasha. > > You think Saturn is strong in my chart, again you are wrong. Saturn's > mooltrikona sign falls in 12th house and saturn is debilitated in > navamsa. So saturn will not give me wealth. Rather my saturn > mahadasha will be very difficult. > > Jupiter, Mercury and ketu are in Mars nakshsatra. These three planets > will activate exalted mars and 11th house in year 2009. I will be 47 > years old, it also represents ketu's year. Transit jupiter will be at > 25 degrees in capricorn, in second house from natal moon. > > I am surprised you do not use nakshatras and you are a professional > astrologer. > > If I say venus period was bad then you will say venus is combust. If > I say venus period was good then it becomes vipreet raj yoga. > > I would say rahu was the most difficult and challenging period in my > chart because rahu aspects all 7 planets in my chart. I survived rahu > mahdasha very gracefully. > I can show predictions given by very famous astrologers who have > written books had made big mistakes in analyszing my chart. > > I weigh 100 Kgs, 6' 1" tall and handsome looks. People many times say > why don't you go to bollywood and become actor in movies. > > > G. Singh > > , "astrologerashutosh" > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > It is very difficult for an astrologer to > correctly analyse his own horoscope. Either the inferences are > totally negative or totally positive. > > > > You haven't had any health problems because till now you > have not undergone any of the combust planets' dashas. But, at this > age when the combust and debiliated lagna lord's dasha begins, you > should be careful. > > > > Rahu-venus gave you windfalls because venus being combust > has formed a viprit rajyoga. But, jupiter being combust cannot be > beneficial. Only, the jupiter-saturn dasha will give financial boost > which will be maintained during the dasha, but health will remain a > concern. > > > > I am a practising professional astrologer with more > practical knowledge than bookish one. I will give you one birth > detail to explain the negative effects of combust planets in their > dasha. > > > > 11-jul-1963 > > 11.15am > > Delhi > > India > > 28N39 77E13 > > > > This person, even during the sixth lord saturn's period, > had no serious health problems except hypertension. But as soon as > mercury dasha began, both the kidneys started malfunctioning and > today the person is surviving only on dialysis. Mercury is lagna lord > and in its on sign too but is combust. > > > > Astrology is not as simple as it seems. It is wiser to > accept the negative aspects of one's horoscope and do remedies for > them beforehand instead of denying them completely. > > > > I have tested and tried all methods in jyotish, including > astakvarga, nakshatra based analysis. I say whatever I have observed > in practice. Nothing bookish. You are still in Rahu dasha, and your > decisions and thinking are still under the influence of rahu. > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 10:54 > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > and all) > > > > > > I disagree with you completely. I have a very complicated chart, > even > > very skilled astrologers have made mistakes in making predictions > for > > me. That is why I learnt astrology. When 7 planets are together > > combustion does not work. I have debilitated jupiter in 11th > house > > with 7 planets. According to some astrologers I should be > spending my > > time in hospital with bad health. I have venus right next to sun > so > > it should give me diabetes. But I don't have diabetes. > > > > But I have excellent health. I am 43 years old but I look like > 30. I > > have excellent health. I have fallen sick only couple of time in > my > > life. The traditional astrology rules that amateur astrologers > learn > > from books does not work in real life. That is why one needs > > practical experience in astrology rather than bookish knowledge. > > Because many rules mentioned in astrology books do not even work > in > > real life. > > > > I already had windfall in Rahu/Venus period, now I am waiting for > a > > bigger windfall. > > You have to see the strength of nakshatra lords to determine how > the > > planet will behave. Without the knowledge of nakshatras one is > just > > wasting time in astrology field. > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > I have observed lots of people who were > born > > in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some > of > > them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost all > > zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have all > the > > riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that > out of > > these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those > which > > are not combust have given them the good results. The combust > ones > > will also show their negative effects. > > > > > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are > combust > > or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of > > negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > > > > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime > > importance to the strength of planets according to their > placement in > > natal chart and other divisional charts. > > > > > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not > call > > his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince > and a > > prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a > common > > man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. When > Bill > > gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be called > a > > beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th house > is > > in > > > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In > order > > to > > > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I > have > > > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu > mercury > > will > > > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and bhuktis. > This > > is > > > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You > can > > ask > > > rohini ji for their opinion. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "astrologerashutosh" > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two > are > > > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for > > Jupiter- > > > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > Rohini > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been > told > > by > > > many > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden > wealth. I > > > myself > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the > 11th > > > house. > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > Dhanistha > > in > > > Mars > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > > promised > > > by > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth > could > > come > > > when > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > period > > > or > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born > couple > > of > > > days > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and moon > in > > 11th > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > > Mercury > > > in > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of > 5th > > house > > > and > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, > Jupiter, > > and > > > Mars > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher level. > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will > play > > > important > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > > nakshatra, > > > and > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet for > my > > > chart. I > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > memebers. > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses > contain > > > doshas?"is > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses having > > > doshas.May > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > > considerd > > > as > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and > teaches > > what > > > we > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings aspire > > than > > > get > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the > vicous > > > cycle of > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result > will be > > > that we > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from moksha.Attainment > of > > > Moksha > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through the > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts is > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > something > > lost > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three houses > > > (2nd,6th > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz lagna,pancham > and > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so also > > artha > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these > baiscs of > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare to > > shape > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > vairagya.Then > > we > > > need > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to gain > is > > > kama),one > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one has > > time to > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > > furthering > > > his > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > > cycles of > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > perspective > > of > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > attachments > > > and > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper in > the > > > manner > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > decrimination > > > to > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These houses > too > > may > > > be > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on our > > poorva > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some thing > of > > the > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance > of > > > various > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > Astrology,the > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the life > and > > > enable > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life > is > > moksha > > > but > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just > meant > > for > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are > serving > > to > > > the > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all > human > > > beings > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha through > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly > promote > > > what > > > > the native intends. > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the > native > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > > ealisation > > > and > > > > correct path. > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed > to > > the > > > same > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. > and > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three > being > > bad > > > makes > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, earning, > each > > of > > > > which > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG > SELF > > > where > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the spiritual > > > position > > > > too. > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and > charity > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from which > > most > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not looking > for > > > > astrology > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take that > > stance. > > > In > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are > merely > > > mentioning > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or > half > > and > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > > fertile > > > and > > > > so > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > remedies, > > some > > > of > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well cared > for > > and > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > > recent > > > > addition > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never and > will > > > never > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The poor > > > wretched > > > > soul > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one > who > > will > > > seek > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated to > the > > > > spiritual > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > <jr_esq> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar > I've > > > attended > > > > in > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika > Doshas > > (or > > > > three > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a house > of > > > desires, > > > > > and > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, the > > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, the > > house > > > > > signifying > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, humans > > have > > > the > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative predispositions > > through > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini > (Crystal > > > Pages)" > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. Some > > > individuals > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the worldly > > plane > > > that > > > > is. > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly > realm > > and > > > that > > > > > is > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > *spiritual* > > > > growth > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural > astrology > > is > > > about > > > > > the > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care about, > > jobs, > > > > money, > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a bit > of > > > dharma > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic > yogas > > and > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > remedies > > and > > > > ishta > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily to > some > > > extent > > > > I > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > efficiently > > > for > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly > and > > > perhaps > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some have > > really > > > > worked > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > spiritual > > > mileage > > > > > out > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the Sages > > etc.? > > > Being > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > > explain > > > the > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the > shlokas > > (e.g., > > > 24- > > > > > 31) > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, 1995/1997 > > > edition). I > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that > with > > their > > > > > female > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the > distorted > > > version > > > > that > > > > > > we > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear resemblance > to > > the > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how much > of > > what > > > we > > > > > have > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible > but it > > is > > > wise > > > > > to > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that for > > worldly > > > > > things, > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems Approach) > has > > > very > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat > <sorry > > here > > > I > > > > go > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are > going > > to > > > get > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > > lucky -- > > > with > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take > the > > time > > > and > > > > > pick > > > > > > a > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > databases > > of > > > good > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > instance) > > from > > > > > > different > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle -- > and > > see > > > how > > > > the > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during > dashas, > > > transits, > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to > work > > out > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > in > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write > or > > > someone > > > > else > > > > > > for > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it > works > > > great! > > > > If > > > > > > it > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! > And > > if > > > doubt > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > motivate > > to > > > move > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, > and > > you > > > may > > > > > even > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > > describes, > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since > it > > > describes > > > > > real > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my > initial > > query > > > was > > > > a > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > > Eleventh > > > House > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of > any > > > planet, > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > inauspicious > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > > spiritual > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each > other.. > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th Lordship? > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > RELISH > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > Terms of > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > AND > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free > vedic > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- -- > ---- > > ---- > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Your friend is in hospital because sun rules 12th house and is very close to lagna lord mercury and rahu. The lagna lord is not getting support from other functional benefics in the chart. According to your analysis may be 90% people with virgo and gemini ascendant should be in hospital as mercury and sun always stay very close to each other in transit. Mercury is combust most of the time. G. Singh , "hbk1hbk_2100" <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > Your friend has rahu, sun, and mercury very close to each other. > Venus although in the same sign is very far away from these planets. > Mercury the lagna lord is very close to sun the 12th house lord of > hospitalization and malefic rahu. All three planets mercury, sun, and > rahu become maraka planets for your friend as they are placed in > jupiter's nakshatra. Jupiter rules 7th house and is placed in 7th > house. > The lagna lord mercury does not get any support from other functional > benefics in the chart has led to sickness and hsopitalization because > it is very close to 12th lord sun and evil rahu. > > G Singh > > > > , "hbk1hbk_2100" > <hbk1hbk_2100> wrote: > > I know it is difficult, but I know my chart so well because I > studied > > my chart with more than 100 astrologers all over world. I do not > have > > any guru. Every astrologer is different, knows some good stuff. I > > spent few months with each one of them and learnt their techniques. > > The reason I did not have health problems is that > > > > 1. The 6th 8th and 12th houses are empty. > > > > 2. I have jupiter, mercury ketu in mars nakshatra the ruler of 2nd > > and 9th house. > > > > 3. Saturn Venus, Sun are in moon's nakshatra the ruler of 5th house > > and placed in 10th house. > > > > 4. Only Mars gave me sickness few times because it is placed placed > > in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. > > > > 5. I was sick few times in sun mahadasha because sun rules 6th > house. > > > > 6. The reason why Venus gave me good results is that Venus and Moon > > are in each other's nakshatra. So it was good for love and money. > > > > You think Mars will give me money. I think you are wrong because > Mars > > is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. My Mars dasha gave me > overrall > > happiness but I was very poor in Mars mahadasha. > > > > You think Saturn is strong in my chart, again you are wrong. > Saturn's > > mooltrikona sign falls in 12th house and saturn is debilitated in > > navamsa. So saturn will not give me wealth. Rather my saturn > > mahadasha will be very difficult. > > > > Jupiter, Mercury and ketu are in Mars nakshsatra. These three > planets > > will activate exalted mars and 11th house in year 2009. I will be > 47 > > years old, it also represents ketu's year. Transit jupiter will be > at > > 25 degrees in capricorn, in second house from natal moon. > > > > I am surprised you do not use nakshatras and you are a professional > > astrologer. > > > > If I say venus period was bad then you will say venus is combust. > If > > I say venus period was good then it becomes vipreet raj yoga. > > > > I would say rahu was the most difficult and challenging period in > my > > chart because rahu aspects all 7 planets in my chart. I survived > rahu > > mahdasha very gracefully. > > I can show predictions given by very famous astrologers who have > > written books had made big mistakes in analyszing my chart. > > > > I weigh 100 Kgs, 6' 1" tall and handsome looks. People many times > say > > why don't you go to bollywood and become actor in movies. > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > It is very difficult for an astrologer to > > correctly analyse his own horoscope. Either the inferences are > > totally negative or totally positive. > > > > > > You haven't had any health problems because till now you > > have not undergone any of the combust planets' dashas. But, at this > > age when the combust and debiliated lagna lord's dasha begins, you > > should be careful. > > > > > > Rahu-venus gave you windfalls because venus being combust > > has formed a viprit rajyoga. But, jupiter being combust cannot be > > beneficial. Only, the jupiter-saturn dasha will give financial > boost > > which will be maintained during the dasha, but health will remain a > > concern. > > > > > > I am a practising professional astrologer with more > > practical knowledge than bookish one. I will give you one birth > > detail to explain the negative effects of combust planets in their > > dasha. > > > > > > 11-jul-1963 > > > 11.15am > > > Delhi > > > India > > > 28N39 77E13 > > > > > > This person, even during the sixth lord saturn's period, > > had no serious health problems except hypertension. But as soon as > > mercury dasha began, both the kidneys started malfunctioning and > > today the person is surviving only on dialysis. Mercury is lagna > lord > > and in its on sign too but is combust. > > > > > > Astrology is not as simple as it seems. It is wiser to > > accept the negative aspects of one's horoscope and do remedies for > > them beforehand instead of denying them completely. > > > > > > I have tested and tried all methods in jyotish, including > > astakvarga, nakshatra based analysis. I say whatever I have > observed > > in practice. Nothing bookish. You are still in Rahu dasha, and your > > decisions and thinking are still under the influence of rahu. > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 10:54 > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for Rohini > > and all) > > > > > > > > > I disagree with you completely. I have a very complicated > chart, > > even > > > very skilled astrologers have made mistakes in making > predictions > > for > > > me. That is why I learnt astrology. When 7 planets are together > > > combustion does not work. I have debilitated jupiter in 11th > > house > > > with 7 planets. According to some astrologers I should be > > spending my > > > time in hospital with bad health. I have venus right next to > sun > > so > > > it should give me diabetes. But I don't have diabetes. > > > > > > But I have excellent health. I am 43 years old but I look like > > 30. I > > > have excellent health. I have fallen sick only couple of time > in > > my > > > life. The traditional astrology rules that amateur astrologers > > learn > > > from books does not work in real life. That is why one needs > > > practical experience in astrology rather than bookish > knowledge. > > > Because many rules mentioned in astrology books do not even > work > > in > > > real life. > > > > > > I already had windfall in Rahu/Venus period, now I am waiting > for > > a > > > bigger windfall. > > > You have to see the strength of nakshatra lords to determine > how > > the > > > planet will behave. Without the knowledge of nakshatras one is > > just > > > wasting time in astrology field. > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > I have observed lots of people who were > > born > > > in Jan-feb 1962. They all have seven planets in one house. Some > > of > > > them have had very illustrious but short life. Some have lost > all > > > zeal in life and live more or less as ascetics whle some have > all > > the > > > riches and are equally hard working people. The reason is that > > out of > > > these seven, some are combust and thus powerless. Only those > > which > > > are not combust have given them the good results. The combust > > ones > > > will also show their negative effects. > > > > > > > > It all depends whether the functional benefics are > > combust > > > or not in this muli-planetary combination. Then, the lords of > > > negative houses or dusthans are also involved in this yoga. > > > > > > > > Instead of going by nakshatras, one should give prime > > > importance to the strength of planets according to their > > placement in > > > natal chart and other divisional charts. > > > > > > > > You had mentioned King Abdullah of Jordan. I will not > > call > > > his horoscope an exceptional one. He already was born a prince > > and a > > > prince becoming a king is no rajyoga for him. Bill Clinton, a > > common > > > man, when becomes President of US, it can be called a gain. > When > > Bill > > > gates, born a common man, becomes a billionaire, it can be > called > > a > > > beneficial gain or rajyoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 09:42 > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > Rohini > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your opinion. Mars the ruler of 2nd and 9th > house > > is > > > in > > > > 11th house but it is placed in 6th lord sun's nakshatra. In > > order > > > to > > > > activate Mars you need other planets in Mars nakshatra. I > > have > > > > jupiter ketu mercury in Mars nakshatra. So jupiter ketu > > mercury > > > will > > > > activate Mars in 11th house during their dashas and > bhuktis. > > This > > > is > > > > what Rahini ji mentioned in the crystal pages pdf file. You > > can > > > ask > > > > rohini ji for their opinion. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > Dear G.Singh, > > > > > > > > > > Out of these seven planets, only two > > are > > > > strong enough to give you wealth, mars and saturn. Wait for > > > Jupiter- > > > > saturn dasha. It will make you rich. > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > hbk1hbk_2100 > > > > > > > > > > Sunday, 25 September, 2005 02:40 > > > > > Re: Eleventh Lord and Eleventh House (for > > > Rohini > > > > and all) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Rohini Ranjan ji and members, > > > > > > > > > > I have 7 planets in 11th house in my chart. I have been > > told > > > by > > > > many > > > > > astrologers that these planets will give me sudden > > wealth. I > > > > myself > > > > > know astrology very well. > > > > > > > > > > I have 2nd house and 9th house lord Mars exalted in the > > 11th > > > > house. > > > > > Then I have Jupiter, Mercury, Ketu in 11th house in > > Dhanistha > > > in > > > > Mars > > > > > nakshatra. So Jupiter mahadasha should give the results > > > promised > > > > by > > > > > Mars in the 11th house. My guess is the sudden wealth > > could > > > come > > > > when > > > > > I will be in JUP/MERCURY/MARS period or > JUP/MARS/MERCURY > > > period > > > > or > > > > > JUP/JUP/MERCURY period or JUP/JUP/MARS period. > > > > > > > > > > I studied king abdullah of jordan's chart. He was born > > couple > > > of > > > > days > > > > > before me. He has all 7 planets in second house and > moon > > in > > > 11th > > > > > house. He is saggitarius ascendant. He has Jupiter Ketu > > > Mercury > > > > in > > > > > Dhanistha in 2nd house in Mars nakshatra. Mars ruler of > > 5th > > > house > > > > and > > > > > 12th house is exalted in 2nd house. He became king in > > > > > MERCURY/JUPITER/MARS period. In his case Mercury, > > Jupiter, > > > and > > > > Mars > > > > > played important role in elevating him to a higher > level. > > > > > > > > > > I think in my life also JUPITER, MERCURY and MARS will > > play > > > > important > > > > > role as both jupiter and mercury are in exalted mars > > > nakshatra, > > > > and > > > > > mars rule 2nd house and 9th house, a yogkaraka planet > for > > my > > > > chart. I > > > > > appreciate thoughts from Rohini Ranjan ji and other > > memebers. > > > > > > > > > > My birth data is given below: > > > > > > > > > > Feb 3rd, 1962 > > > > > 10:03 AM > > > > > Ludhiana, India > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > G. Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , vattem > krishnan > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > dear John,Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > The kind of approachproposed in "upachaya houses > > contain > > > > doshas?"is > > > > > to make a distinction from good houses from houses > having > > > > doshas.May > > > > > be house like 3rd which indicates kama bhava is to be > > > considerd > > > > as > > > > > dosha bahva?Infact Astrology balances the life and > > teaches > > > what > > > > we > > > > > have to promote and what we have to as humanbeings > aspire > > > than > > > > get > > > > > attracted in the war of attritions and invlove in the > > vicous > > > > cycle of > > > > > births and deaths. > > > > > > If we invest energies in dharma and kama the result > > will be > > > > that we > > > > > are trying to keep ourselves away from > moksha.Attainment > > of > > > > Moksha > > > > > will be in reach if we are able to shape well through > the > > > > > Dharama,ardha and kama,the ultimate result one awauts > is > > > > > moksha.Moksha then can never be a cause to feel as > > something > > > lost > > > > > > .In fact if we really care to probe these three > houses > > > > (2nd,6th > > > > > and 11th) are next to houses of Dharma viz > lagna,pancham > > and > > > > > navam.All these houses are development houses and so > also > > > artha > > > > > houses giving a benifit to the human being.In these > > baiscs of > > > > > Astrology contain a path for the promotion and welfare > to > > > shape > > > > > ourselves into one of the ways like Gnana and > > vairagya.Then > > > we > > > > need > > > > > to evoke 3rd house in the gnana approach(seeking to > gain > > is > > > > kama),one > > > > > has to proceed to the next pahase i.e moksha.here one > has > > > time to > > > > > to''review and get satisfied and contended instead of > > > furthering > > > > his > > > > > artha and kama bhavas that leads again into the vicious > > > cycles of > > > > > janma and mrityu. > > > > > > whether we term 3rd,7th and 11th too as in that > > perspective > > > of > > > > > worldly pleasues ,the life will be to think of some > > > attachments > > > > and > > > > > for deriving benifits out of these 'links' and prosper > in > > the > > > > manner > > > > > the dharma nature has dictated.The opportunity for > > > decrimination > > > > to > > > > > adopt a path and to lead ways lies in dharha.These > houses > > too > > > may > > > > be > > > > > also free from doahas or may not be.it all depends on > our > > > poorva > > > > > janma a continuity from past.So just naming as some > thing > > of > > > the > > > > > whole as doshas may only to design a human as guilty > > > > > conscious.probably all phases irrespective significance > > of > > > > various > > > > > 12houses that tries to define and convey importance of > > > > Astrology,the > > > > > approach when adopted as to balance and moderate the > life > > and > > > > enable > > > > > the humanbeing to decide what is most essential to life > > is > > > moksha > > > > but > > > > > not artha and kama.if we are true in Dharma and is just > > meant > > > for > > > > > promoting the life to be free from all evils.we are > > serving > > > to > > > > the > > > > > cause of Astrology. > > > > > > The teachings of Astrology are basically to make all > > human > > > > beings > > > > > aware of the potentialities and choose the patha > through > > > > > lagna,pancham and navam.Rest of the bhavs accordingly > > promote > > > > what > > > > > the native intends. > > > > > > The relative importance each bahva is to support the > > native > > > > > accordingly and also provide an opportunity for self > > > ealisation > > > > and > > > > > correct path. > > > > > > The dosha theory is perhaps another approach proposed > > to > > > the > > > > same > > > > > path of moksha and to hang with a guilty consciousness. > > and > > > > > empphasise the need to overcome doshas > > > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > > > > > "Rohini (Crystal Pages)" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > Sounds good! And the spiritual view of these three > > being > > > bad > > > > makes > > > > > > sense, the three being: efforts, competition, > earning, > > each > > > of > > > > > which > > > > > > represents a 'separation' from the spirit and the BIG > > SELF > > > > where > > > > > > everything is united in the Universe, and the > spiritual > > > > position > > > > > too. > > > > > > And the spiritual antidote would indeed be > > > > > > vairagya/detachment/passivity [3], ahimsaa [6] and > > charity > > > [11]. > > > > > > > > > > > > But how about the worldly perspective -- one from > which > > > most > > > > > > astrology reading seekers come and they are not > looking > > for > > > > > astrology > > > > > > to get them to the spiritual level or even to take > that > > > stance. > > > > In > > > > > > fact any and all astrology books, old and new are > > merely > > > > mentioning > > > > > > and doing lip service to spirituality in a chapter or > > half > > > and > > > > > > focusing more on how to find out the rich and famous, > > > fertile > > > > and > > > > > so > > > > > > on in the charts! > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely, astrology is for the householder and the > > remedies, > > > some > > > > of > > > > > > them make sure that the priestly classes are well > cared > > for > > > and > > > > > > benefit. The gemstone dealers and tantriks are a more > > > recent > > > > > addition > > > > > > to the list of beneficiaries! > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who shall seek the spiritual path have never > and > > will > > > > never > > > > > > need astrology to give them a poke in the eye! The > poor > > > > wretched > > > > > soul > > > > > > who is fumbling around with his (mis)karma is the one > > who > > > will > > > > seek > > > > > > astrology and is not quite ready yet to be elevated > to > > the > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > level of piety that some of us take for granted! > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us get real and see what surrounds us! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "John" > > > <jr_esq> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Namaste Rohini and all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to an astrologer lecturing in a seminar > > I've > > > > attended > > > > > in > > > > > > > California, the upachaya houses contain the Trika > > Doshas > > > (or > > > > > three > > > > > > > errors). These are: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Deva Dosha-- representing the 3rd house, a > house > > of > > > > desires, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > sexual pleasures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Rakshasa Dosha-- representing the 6th house, > the > > > house > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > meanness and violence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Manusha Dosha-- representing the 11th house, > the > > > house > > > > > > signifying > > > > > > > greed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since these doshas are in the upachaya houses, > humans > > > have > > > > the > > > > > > > capacity to improve on these negative > predispositions > > > through > > > > > > > vairagya, ahimsa, and charity to address the doshas > > > > respectively. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rohini > > (Crystal > > > > Pages)" > > > > > > > <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > It is an upachaya house, hence about 'growth'. > Some > > > > individuals > > > > > > > > consider growth as negative. Growth in the > worldly > > > plane > > > > that > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > Income, earning, gains are growth in the worldly > > realm > > > and > > > > that > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > considered bad because it takes one away from > > > *spiritual* > > > > > growth > > > > > > > > which we are supposed to be focussed on all the > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Examine and observe that most of scriptural > > astrology > > > is > > > > about > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > worldly realm, what a householder would care > about, > > > jobs, > > > > > money, > > > > > > > > power, children, relationships, and there is a > bit > > of > > > > dharma > > > > > > stuff > > > > > > > > thrown into the mix with a few stanzas on ascetic > > yogas > > > and > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > matters which recently have been spawned into > > remedies > > > and > > > > > ishta > > > > > > > > devtaas and similar religious/spiritual aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, still holds > > true! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish has been reinterpreted, quite healthily > to > > some > > > > extent > > > > > I > > > > > > > say, > > > > > > > > recently and it has been actually used quite > > > efficiently > > > > for > > > > > > > worldly > > > > > > > > reasons, which is what I see it was predominantly > > and > > > > perhaps > > > > > > > > primarily proposed to be used for. Though some > have > > > really > > > > > worked > > > > > > > > hard at spinning some religious, devotional, > > spiritual > > > > mileage > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > of. Was it the original intention of God, the > Sages > > > etc.? > > > > Being > > > > > > > > rather tersely direct I ask this: Someone please > > > explain > > > > the > > > > > > > > rationale and utility (!) behind some of the > > shlokas > > > (e.g., > > > > 24- > > > > > > 31) > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Chapter 83 of BPHS (Sharma, Sagar, vol.2, > 1995/1997 > > > > edition). I > > > > > > > truly > > > > > > > > hope and pray that jyotishis do not discuss that > > with > > > their > > > > > > female > > > > > > > > clients! Now it is quite possible that the > > distorted > > > > version > > > > > that > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > currently possess of BPHS may not bear > resemblance > > to > > > the > > > > > > > originally > > > > > > > > pure scripture. Who really knows, and then how > much > > of > > > what > > > > we > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > is reliable? Testing of all tenets is impossible > > but it > > > is > > > > wise > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > ignore the possibility? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Several jyotishis have recently indicated that > for > > > worldly > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > 11th is not malefic. VK Chowdhri (Systems > Approach) > > has > > > > very > > > > > > > > forcefully stated that some years ago and since > > then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I go back to my almost boringly repetitive beat > > <sorry > > > here > > > > I > > > > > go > > > > > > > > again!>. You have a question, if you ask, you are > > going > > > to > > > > get > > > > > > > > umpteen responses and viewpoints, some if you are > > > lucky -- > > > > with > > > > > > > > examples and illustrations. Best thing is to take > > the > > > time > > > > and > > > > > > pick > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > few charts (not a problem any longer now that > > databases > > > of > > > > good > > > > > > > > quality are available like astrodatabank for > > instance) > > > from > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > groups, spiritual, worldly, rich, poor, middle - - > > and > > > see > > > > how > > > > > the > > > > > > > > 11th house manifested in their lives, during > > dashas, > > > > transits, > > > > > > > > overall. Most 'classical' yogas are not going to > > work > > > out > > > > > > verbatim > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > many ordinary/regular charts anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You do not need to believe in what I say or write > > or > > > > someone > > > > > else > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > that matter. Do the experiment yourself and if it > > works > > > > great! > > > > > If > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > does not work, you end up knowing better, anyway! > > And > > > if > > > > doubt > > > > > > > > remains, welcome to the club -- maybe it will > > motivate > > > to > > > > move > > > > > > > beyond > > > > > > > > the black and white that some think astrology is, > > and > > > you > > > > may > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > begin to realize that just like the real life it > > > describes, > > > > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > has many shades of grey, just like life and since > > it > > > > describes > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > life, shouldn't that indeed be so? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , "rishi_2000in" > > > > > > > > <rishi_2000in> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Mandakani, > > > > > > > > > Thankyou for responding though I suspect my > > initial > > > query > > > > was > > > > > a > > > > > > > bit > > > > > > > > > cryptic. > > > > > > > > > Many astrologers suggest that the Lordship of > > > Eleventh > > > > House > > > > > > > makes > > > > > > > > > the Lord 'difficult' for the chart. > > > > > > > > > However, everyone agrees that the placement of > > any > > > > planet, > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > malefic or benefic is a good placement. > > > > > > > > > Why is the Eleventh Lordship considered > > inauspicious > > > > or 'bad'? > > > > > > > > > While I agree with you that material gains and > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > aspirations > > > > > > > > > more often than not come in conflict with each > > other.. > > > > > > > > > yet is there something more to the 11th > Lordship? > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > DIVINITY > > AND > > > > RELISH > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > To from this group, send an email to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > Terms of > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for Good > > > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY > > AND > > > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free > > vedic > > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- -- > -- > > ---- > > > ---- > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. 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