Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Dear Friends It was truely good debate and knowledgeble information. There is some belief and practice, not to worship some god or goddess in home. Like an example, it is in belief that if one keeps Lord Jagannath (Puri) in his home, then some practice and rules are to observed. Like one should be completely vegetarian in home, cooking and moreever one can not take Water or food, until it is served to Lord. One benefit is observed, the family performing puja to Lord Jagnnatha, peace stays in their home. But one have to follow the rules. Regarding Kali goddess, it is been told that not to keep their photo or statue in their home. As the name itself suggests that, it represents black world, magic, tantras. For family or normal puja, there are goddess Durga, Saraswati, Laxmi etc., who represents the Shourya, Gyana, Dhana respectively. Similarly it is told about Hanuman God, he is not fiery god, rather he represents Bhakti, Shourya, Sankatanasana. So keeping hanuman god in home is seen, with family who worship Ram, Sita, Laxman. Also it is saying that, by praying Lord Jagannatha, Durga, Laxmi etc vedic gods, one would get the peace, knowledge, money, but slowly. Whereas by going tantric method, by worshipping fiery god or goddess, one would get the results, very fast.BUT one has to loose some thing,some way or otherway to get one's wishes fullfilled by this way. Therefore for family life or peaceful life, it is always advised to perform the puja of Vedic gods not tantric gods. With best regards Ajaya --- arjun pandit <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear friends > > this healthy debate on modes of worship increases > the knowledge of a layman, hence some more > information. > > in my childhood i was told by the elders that > goddess kali, gods hanuman and narasimha are fiery > gods and hence we shall not worship them. but when > i grew up and found millions of vaishnavites > worshipping narasimha and there are hundreds of > temples, i understood there is no logic even if the > sastra say so. similarly i was also told in the > childhood by some self-proclaimed learnt local > pandits that hanuman is a fiery god and if one > worships the devotee would remain a bachelor but > when i grew up i found crores of devotees (including > myself) have found lord hanuman as the most kind god > and there is no wonder when i find even in these > busy days LAKHS of devotees stand in line for > several hours for a glimpse of the markat hanuman > mandir in jamuna bazar, delhi which i visit every > tuesday. when i was a child because of the red color > tonuge i found goddess kali as a fiery goddess and > did not worship her. but when i grew up and found > crores of bengalis worshipping her on a daily basis > and > most of them even keeping her statues in the house > and seeking her blessings, i realised that she too > is a kind goddess. similar is the story of > bhairava. i was also shown sastras and stories from > puranas by the learnt pandits as to why only a > shivling shall be worshiped and not a shiva statue. > to this logic, i got convinced as all shiva temples > across the country have only shiv ling as diety and > not a shiva statue. > > simply put, no side affects or no problem or worry > in keeping the photos of any fiery god or goddess if > it is just for worshipping and seeking their > blessings. > > the problem arises when one resort to tantric > practices wherein certain rituals are performed to > invoke the grace of these same fiery gods and > goddesses. having done enough research and > experience in this tantra myself, i have seen many > people becoming fakirs and losing material comforts > and families and few gurus of mine have even lost > their lives also. hence one shall desist from doing > any tantric upasana as it is not safe unlike normal > worshipping. for many mails received from the group > members and visitors seeking more knowledge on > tantra, i advised all of them not to get into this > subject at all until they retire from life and have > no attachments at all. > > calling shiva as a rudra devata is akin to calling > vishnu as a ugra devata because of his incarnation > as narasimha both of which holds no water. > > hence friends, worship gods and goddesses in any > manifestation or form as you like without any worry > at all. > > with best wishes > arjun > > "Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan > wrote: > Dear Kadrudraji > > I am happy to see your reply on this topic which > exactly coincides with my views and opinion. > > You are correct in many ways but still I have > something to point out here. > > As you said all gods are life-savers and not > destructive to anyone.But puranas and our > gurus,Yogis and Acharyas have given many works on > this based on thier experience and knowledge.Anybody > has tastes and preferences.We dont like or forced > not to like certain places and people in our > day-to-day life. > > Likewise,devatas or powers of certain deities dont > like to stay in certain places in certain forms.I > can explain this with an example..A sea fish is a > fish but if its closed in a bottle with water..it > cannot live long or happily. > > Likewise..Rudra devatas are not good to have in > home...These are words from our predecessors...from > experience and faith..Vasthu Sastra also contributes > to this. > > At the end,,its the wish of the individual and Will > of the person that determines the way....Where there > is a Will There is a Way.......... > > Fate is supreme.It runs for Millions and Millions of > people for Thousands of Years.So,lets hope for the > best and leave everything to god. > > With thanks and regards > Balaji G > > kadrudra <kadrudra wrote: > Dear All, > > I do not know how and why this 'back-firing' concept > started! > Any statue of any God/Goddess would be always > helpful for > giving Psychological strength and concentration and > confidence > in the self. If anyone feels that 'something bad' > happened > due to keeping a statue in house or hanging a > picture on wall, > it is purely due to dis-belief in the 'strength' of > the object. > > In case of any GOOD or BAD result, statue/picture is > just a > 'NIMITTA' or indication. What really acts is the > combination > of positive or negative factors of > astro-psycho-karmic nature. > All Vedas, Vedangas, Puranas describe many gods as > 'capable' > of PROTECTING and GRANTING the worshippers. None of > them say > anything about BACK-FIRING due to worship or any act > done in > connection with intention of worship. This concept > of getting > 'something bad' is purely due to individual's > pre-occupied belief. > > Particularly, statue of Shiva has the capacity to > drive off > evils including DEATH, which gets him the name > MRITYUNJAYA. > Even for an ignorant, innocent devotee like > MARKANDEYA or > DHRUVA, the divine powers never back-fired, neither > for well > versed sinner AJAMILA, nor the elephant GAJENDRA...! > HOW > CAN ONE THINK OF PROTECTOR TO BE DISPLEASED WITH HIS > WORSHIP? > Don't you think it is purely illogical and > superstitious!? > > YET, there can be back-fires ONLY IN CASE OF TANTRA > which > involves 'different' kind of worship for the > material benefit > of self DUE TO DESTRUCTION / OBSTRUCTION to others. > > There can be no good results by placing an image not > in > 'correct form' as described by AAGAMAs in correct > place > according to VAASTU on correct days according to > JYOTISHA. > It does not mean that there must be BAD results! As > I too > have observed like Tanvir, there are persons who are > very > 'sensitive' to NIMITTAs like these. What matters > finally is > the conviction! Thats why a famous commentary of > Geeta, in > its foreward quotes "YAD BHAAVAM TAD BHAVATI"...! > ("It results in what one feels like") > > > yours humbly > KAD > > > > , "Tanvir" > <ultimate@s...> > wrote: > > Rohini Ji, > > > > Such things are very common and true with people > who are sensitive > about colour of clothes, mantras etc., like me. I > note a significant > effect with keeping shiva statues and even lakshmi > statue. Ganesha's > effects (as statue is concerned) is somewhat subtle > but still I can > feel. > > > > I am curious what it means to cover the statue > while === message truncated === ____ for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store./redcross-donate3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Dear Ajay, It is very difficult to balance spirituality with daily household duties and chores for a common man. Keeping that in mind, our ancestors used to build the temples in places some distance away from the villages and usually on the top of a mound or a hill. The practices of keeping pictures and statues of gods in home are against the basic principles of vastu-shastra. The worst case is when they are kept in bedrooms. Ashutosh [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology group, but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] - panda ajay Tuesday, 04 October, 2005 13:27 Re: About Keeping Fiery God or Goddess Dear Friends It was truely good debate and knowledgeble information. There is some belief and practice, not to worship some god or goddess in home. Like an example, it is in belief that if one keeps Lord Jagannath (Puri) in his home, then some practice and rules are to observed. Like one should be completely vegetarian in home, cooking and moreever one can not take Water or food, until it is served to Lord. One benefit is observed, the family performing puja to Lord Jagnnatha, peace stays in their home. But one have to follow the rules. Regarding Kali goddess, it is been told that not to keep their photo or statue in their home. As the name itself suggests that, it represents black world, magic, tantras. For family or normal puja, there are goddess Durga, Saraswati, Laxmi etc., who represents the Shourya, Gyana, Dhana respectively. Similarly it is told about Hanuman God, he is not fiery god, rather he represents Bhakti, Shourya, Sankatanasana. So keeping hanuman god in home is seen, with family who worship Ram, Sita, Laxman. Also it is saying that, by praying Lord Jagannatha, Durga, Laxmi etc vedic gods, one would get the peace, knowledge, money, but slowly. Whereas by going tantric method, by worshipping fiery god or goddess, one would get the results, very fast.BUT one has to loose some thing,some way or otherway to get one's wishes fullfilled by this way. Therefore for family life or peaceful life, it is always advised to perform the puja of Vedic gods not tantric gods. With best regards Ajaya --- arjun pandit <panditarjun2004 wrote: > dear friends > > this healthy debate on modes of worship increases > the knowledge of a layman, hence some more > information. > > in my childhood i was told by the elders that > goddess kali, gods hanuman and narasimha are fiery > gods and hence we shall not worship them. but when > i grew up and found millions of vaishnavites > worshipping narasimha and there are hundreds of > temples, i understood there is no logic even if the > sastra say so. similarly i was also told in the > childhood by some self-proclaimed learnt local > pandits that hanuman is a fiery god and if one > worships the devotee would remain a bachelor but > when i grew up i found crores of devotees (including > myself) have found lord hanuman as the most kind god > and there is no wonder when i find even in these > busy days LAKHS of devotees stand in line for > several hours for a glimpse of the markat hanuman > mandir in jamuna bazar, delhi which i visit every > tuesday. when i was a child because of the red color > tonuge i found goddess kali as a fiery goddess and > did not worship her. but when i grew up and found > crores of bengalis worshipping her on a daily basis > and > most of them even keeping her statues in the house > and seeking her blessings, i realised that she too > is a kind goddess. similar is the story of > bhairava. i was also shown sastras and stories from > puranas by the learnt pandits as to why only a > shivling shall be worshiped and not a shiva statue. > to this logic, i got convinced as all shiva temples > across the country have only shiv ling as diety and > not a shiva statue. > > simply put, no side affects or no problem or worry > in keeping the photos of any fiery god or goddess if > it is just for worshipping and seeking their > blessings. > > the problem arises when one resort to tantric > practices wherein certain rituals are performed to > invoke the grace of these same fiery gods and > goddesses. having done enough research and > experience in this tantra myself, i have seen many > people becoming fakirs and losing material comforts > and families and few gurus of mine have even lost > their lives also. hence one shall desist from doing > any tantric upasana as it is not safe unlike normal > worshipping. for many mails received from the group > members and visitors seeking more knowledge on > tantra, i advised all of them not to get into this > subject at all until they retire from life and have > no attachments at all. > > calling shiva as a rudra devata is akin to calling > vishnu as a ugra devata because of his incarnation > as narasimha both of which holds no water. > > hence friends, worship gods and goddesses in any > manifestation or form as you like without any worry > at all. > > with best wishes > arjun > > "Balaji G.krishnan" <balaji_g_krishnan > wrote: > Dear Kadrudraji > > I am happy to see your reply on this topic which > exactly coincides with my views and opinion. > > You are correct in many ways but still I have > something to point out here. > > As you said all gods are life-savers and not > destructive to anyone.But puranas and our > gurus,Yogis and Acharyas have given many works on > this based on thier experience and knowledge.Anybody > has tastes and preferences.We dont like or forced > not to like certain places and people in our > day-to-day life. > > Likewise,devatas or powers of certain deities dont > like to stay in certain places in certain forms.I > can explain this with an example..A sea fish is a > fish but if its closed in a bottle with water..it > cannot live long or happily. > > Likewise..Rudra devatas are not good to have in > home...These are words from our predecessors...from > experience and faith..Vasthu Sastra also contributes > to this. > > At the end,,its the wish of the individual and Will > of the person that determines the way....Where there > is a Will There is a Way.......... > > Fate is supreme.It runs for Millions and Millions of > people for Thousands of Years.So,lets hope for the > best and leave everything to god. > > With thanks and regards > Balaji G > > kadrudra <kadrudra wrote: > Dear All, > > I do not know how and why this 'back-firing' concept > started! > Any statue of any God/Goddess would be always > helpful for > giving Psychological strength and concentration and > confidence > in the self. If anyone feels that 'something bad' > happened > due to keeping a statue in house or hanging a > picture on wall, > it is purely due to dis-belief in the 'strength' of > the object. > > In case of any GOOD or BAD result, statue/picture is > just a > 'NIMITTA' or indication. What really acts is the > combination > of positive or negative factors of > astro-psycho-karmic nature. > All Vedas, Vedangas, Puranas describe many gods as > 'capable' > of PROTECTING and GRANTING the worshippers. None of > them say > anything about BACK-FIRING due to worship or any act > done in > connection with intention of worship. This concept > of getting > 'something bad' is purely due to individual's > pre-occupied belief. > > Particularly, statue of Shiva has the capacity to > drive off > evils including DEATH, which gets him the name > MRITYUNJAYA. > Even for an ignorant, innocent devotee like > MARKANDEYA or > DHRUVA, the divine powers never back-fired, neither > for well > versed sinner AJAMILA, nor the elephant GAJENDRA...! > HOW > CAN ONE THINK OF PROTECTOR TO BE DISPLEASED WITH HIS > WORSHIP? > Don't you think it is purely illogical and > superstitious!? > > YET, there can be back-fires ONLY IN CASE OF TANTRA > which > involves 'different' kind of worship for the > material benefit > of self DUE TO DESTRUCTION / OBSTRUCTION to others. > > There can be no good results by placing an image not > in > 'correct form' as described by AAGAMAs in correct > place > according to VAASTU on correct days according to > JYOTISHA. > It does not mean that there must be BAD results! As > I too > have observed like Tanvir, there are persons who are > very > 'sensitive' to NIMITTAs like these. What matters > finally is > the conviction! Thats why a famous commentary of > Geeta, in > its foreward quotes "YAD BHAAVAM TAD BHAVATI"...! > ("It results in what one feels like") > > > yours humbly > KAD > > > > , "Tanvir" > <ultimate@s...> > wrote: > > Rohini Ji, > > > > Such things are very common and true with people > who are sensitive > about colour of clothes, mantras etc., like me. I > note a significant > effect with keeping shiva statues and even lakshmi > statue. Ganesha's > effects (as statue is concerned) is somewhat subtle > but still I can > feel. > > > > I am curious what it means to cover the statue > while === message truncated === ____ for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store./redcross-donate3/ SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. a.. 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