Using informal words (Fellow etc.)

[Guest guest]

Dear all,

 

The thread of Kemadruma Yoga is a good one but the topic of using the word

'fellow' is going too far.

 

As per as I used to know fellow is a completely okay term and widely used.

However Kishore Ji's reaction actually forced me to look it up in the dictionary

but there does not seem to be any offensive meaning / use of this word. Kishore

Ji's reaction looks a over-reaction to me personally.

 

I see the word is labelled 'informal' but not a 'slang' and I doubt if anyone

terms it as a slang. There is a significant difference between the two.

 

The worst meaning of 'fellow' as I see in the dictionary is " A man or a *boy*

". Anyway.

 

Rohini Ji is a very good person at heart and often sarcastic but usually I find

his sarcasms to be pointing to a behaviour of people that is not very sensible.

Rohini Ji has a vision to see this, I must say. A very balanced vision. And even

in Jyotish he seems to follow a balanced way and I dont think I have ever seen

him supporting any view or approach (Of Astro) very strongly / blindly but there

is always a suggestive nudge to the readers based on experience, statistics,

common sense etc.

 

Kishore Ji might be a person who does not prefer to be called up in an informal

way. That's his choice. Some people like a formal way of behaviour and keeping a

particular distance from people, that is decent to them. Otherwise they feel

disrespected.

 

Anyway but I do not think that fellow is a slang word.

 

But this incident gives the members an opportunity to know his preference about

the way of interaction and that they should behave formally with him.

 

I want to take this event in a positive spirit.

 

Still I must say that Kishore Ji's taking wrong meaning of the word fellow

created unwanted and unncessary arguments and wasting members' time and energy.

This is not a slang nor considered to be offensive (by most, at least).

 

To Kishore ji : Please refrain from over reacting in such situations and in this

case you could have just told him that you do not prefer to be addressed that

way. That would suffice. Coming to your argument about the word "backbiting" I

again had to look it up in the dictionary and it does not have to necessarily be

"done behind back" as you believe. Your wrong interpretation of simple words

creates unncessary problems as they are interpreted by you in a rather uncommon

and negative way than the other people do. I also see a very fighting spirit in

you, kindly stop this.

 

I hope this is enough, I would not like to see any further arguments on this

thread, that would be good for us all.

 

Thanks,

Tanvir

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Tanvir,

 

Thank you for all the trouble of going through dictionaries etc.

While I have no inclination to repeatedly offer my plank of argument,

I guess I need to do it just once more not only because you are the

owner of this group, but also you have preferred to draw some

conclusions about me.

 

At the outset, I have joined this group since I have lots of love for

the subject. I am basically a numerologist, who started studying the

subject almost 20 years ago, when I was doing my undergraduation. I

was inducted into astrology about 9 years ago, thanks to one of my

senior colleagues.

 

I came here to look for more knowledge, more case studies and of

course, more academic interaction with experts. Usually, groups

have never belied my hopes in the past 6 to 7 years of my experience

with them.

 

 

In the thread on kemadruma, I have not participated in the academic

discussion as such. But when the native went confused since there was

a difference of opinion, I stepped into summarise what brother Arjun

pundit and RR have said on the issue. Since I too have believed that

there is a substantial difference between what both of them have

pointed out, (though the net result is the same- that the native

won't be affected by the kemadruma), I suggested there should be an

academic debate between these two.

 

 

On reply from another member, RR has said "Thanks Partha for saving

me from having to enter an *academic* debate as one fellow was

suggesting here ;-) RR"

 

Dear group owner, is not the sarcasm, the light opinion of the

suggestion and casual reference to the one who made the suggestion-

are n;t they all so very blatant here? dont you, as one who has made

the suggestion with all the best intentions, feel slighted if you are

in my place?? Just think about that- I am sure you will need to

search no dictionaries to understand that it is a deliberate

sarcastic reference to both the suggestion as well as the memeber who

has made it. It only expressed what kind of respect he has for others

and their opinion.

 

 

True, I would certainly have left the matters uncommented if I had

known the maturity level of RR, his prefixation with himself and

extra ounce of defiance. (well, RR, that is my opinion about you and

this is no back biting or bitching), especially because I came here

to learn and participate and not have personal fights with adamant

people.

 

But since I have had no earlier experience of mr RR, I have pointed

out the slur, expecting him to understand what is wrong and regret

it.

 

But as things would have it, he not only not regretted it but in

fact, started an argument over it. Understandably, the other members

too have pitched in, largely justlfying RR, as they seem to be

knowing his flair for sarcasm and it appears that atleast some of

them have felt the bite of it in the earlier days. But what they have

not understood is that I am a stranger to this group and not every

one will likes sarcasm aimed at him. At least, I am not blessed with

such tolerance with strangers.

 

So, let me ask, my dear sir, what is my mistake in pointing out what

RR has said or in replying the messages posted on the subject?

 

How can you term it as fighting or over reaction? And on the other

hand, I just miss to see how mr RR has displayed a 'great sense of

balaned ness' or assessment of situation, in hurling sarcastic gems

of sentences at others. As a person who came into contact with him

only now, it does not mean to me anything more than a crude and

uncanny display of his disrespect for others.

 

And yet, am I am being short sighted and not able to understand the

inner meanings of these fragiley veiled sarcasms? oh my gosh, I did

not know this is a group to teach nuances in English, rather than

being one on Jyothish and remedies.

 

 

I have to say this,my friend,because instead of cooling of things

even now, You, as the group owner ,have preferred to pillar me, even

as you went eulogizing the other member. Well, I am not accusing you

but I leave it to your own good senses in assessing what you have

written and whether you are correct or wrong, because I have better

things to do than to fight over these things.

 

EVen now, I note that the mr RR has not regretted his behaviour and

did not really veil his contempt for other mortals. Hence, I had to

come clean and tell what is my opinion which is no doubt created by

his reference to me.

 

 

 

I wish you and your group good luck,

 

kishore patnaik

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To Kishore ji : Please refrain from over reacting in such situations

and in this

case you could have just told him that you do not prefer to be

addressed that

way. That would suffice. Coming to your argument about the

word "backbiting" I

again had to look it up in the dictionary and it does not have to

necessarily be

"done behind back" as you believe. Your wrong interpretation of

simple words

creates unncessary problems as they are interpreted by you in a

rather uncommon

and negative way than the other people do. I also see a very fighting

spirit in

you, kindly stop this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> The thread of Kemadruma Yoga is a good one but the topic of using

the word 'fellow' is going too far.

>

> As per as I used to know fellow is a completely okay term and

widely used. However Kishore Ji's reaction actually forced me to look

it up in the dictionary but there does not seem to be any offensive

meaning / use of this word. Kishore Ji's reaction looks a over-

reaction to me personally.

>

> I see the word is labelled 'informal' but not a 'slang' and I doubt

if anyone terms it as a slang. There is a significant difference

between the two.

>

> The worst meaning of 'fellow' as I see in the dictionary is " A man

or a *boy* ". Anyway.

>

> Rohini Ji is a very good person at heart and often sarcastic but

usually I find his sarcasms to be pointing to a behaviour of people

that is not very sensible. Rohini Ji has a vision to see this, I must

say. A very balanced vision. And even in Jyotish he seems to follow a

balanced way and I dont think I have ever seen him supporting any

view or approach (Of Astro) very strongly / blindly but there is

always a suggestive nudge to the readers based on experience,

statistics, common sense etc.

>

> Kishore Ji might be a person who does not prefer to be called up in

an informal way. That's his choice. Some people like a formal way of

behaviour and keeping a particular distance from people, that is

decent to them. Otherwise they feel disrespected.

>

> Anyway but I do not think that fellow is a slang word.

>

> But this incident gives the members an opportunity to know his

preference about the way of interaction and that they should behave

formally with him.

>

> I want to take this event in a positive spirit.

>

> Still I must say that Kishore Ji's taking wrong meaning of the word

fellow created unwanted and unncessary arguments and wasting members'

time and energy. This is not a slang nor considered to be offensive

(by most, at least).

>

> To Kishore ji : Please refrain from over reacting in such

situations and in this case you could have just told him that you do

not prefer to be addressed that way. That would suffice. Coming to

your argument about the word "backbiting" I again had to look it up

in the dictionary and it does not have to necessarily be "done behind

back" as you believe. Your wrong interpretation of simple words

creates unncessary problems as they are interpreted by you in a

rather uncommon and negative way than the other people do. I also see

a very fighting spirit in you, kindly stop this.

>

> I hope this is enough, I would not like to see any further

arguments on this thread, that would be good for us all.

>

> Thanks,

> Tanvir

>

>

>

> What cannot happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

remedies

> Where relief and solutions are found

>

>

>

>

>