I have had many gurus in life! For those who might wish to read this!!

[Guest guest]

Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum friends!

 

I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed because I have had

so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want to be or claimed

to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically sustained the

nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this lifetime

insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are concerned!

 

One very significant scientist Guru taught me or perhaps reminded me of

the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

 

a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the strongest human memory

 

b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

 

 

Thanks for your attention!

 

RR

 

PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are really siblings

born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but please do not respond

to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

 

Thanks!!

[Guest guest]

When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of EKALAVYA,that famous tribal has

adopted him as his teacher and mentor learned all skills.what ever may the

intent underlined in such puranic tales,the Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been

sought by the illustrative Acharya ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya

volunteered and scrificed.In today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find

such simple ardent disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and determined to

seek knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to devote his attention to

teach values,skills and almost donate all his capabilities and feel satisfied

that he has kept up the high morale for propagation of various

Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to identify a proper person to teach as

well as a Guru who will be selfless and eager to share his wisdom.

This is very discouraging situation that the element of 'sacrifice" essential

for propogation of knowledge is also conspicuously absent. let alone

acknowledgements.

krishnan

 

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum friends!

 

I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed because I have had

so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want to be or claimed

to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically sustained the

nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this lifetime

insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are concerned!

 

One very significant scientist Guru taught me or perhaps reminded me of

the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

 

a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the strongest human memory

 

b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

 

 

Thanks for your attention!

 

RR

 

PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are really siblings

born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but please do not respond

to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

 

Thanks!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Visit your group "" on the web.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya asking such a

punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a Star Archer, with an

ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator of the great epic,

even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his unfairness!

 

Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma and must watch out,

regardless of their motives!

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of EKALAVYA,that famous

tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor learned all

skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such puranic tales,the

Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the illustrative Acharya

ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya volunteered and scrificed.In

today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find such simple ardent

disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and determined to seek

knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to devote his attention

to teach values,skills and almost donate all his capabilities and

feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale for propagation of

various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to identify a proper

person to teach as well as a Guru who will be selfless and eager to

share his wisdom.

> This is very discouraging situation that the element of 'sacrifice"

essential for propogation of knowledge is also conspicuously absent.

let alone acknowledgements.

> krishnan

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum friends!

>

> I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed because I have

had

> so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want to be or

claimed

> to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically sustained the

> nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this lifetime

> insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are concerned!

>

> One very significant scientist Guru taught me or perhaps reminded

me of

> the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

>

> a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the strongest human

memory

>

> b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

>

>

> Thanks for your attention!

>

> RR

>

> PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are really siblings

> born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but please do not

respond

> to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

>

> Thanks!!

>

>

>

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gurudev ji Pranam!

The war slated was between Dharma and Adharma.If Shri Bhishma Pitamamah andRaja

Guru Dronacharya if fighting with Adharma being on the side but mentally with

Dharma.For a lay man it is really difficult to grasp the resultant of

actions(karma).If kaurav sena suffered 'coz Adhrma Yuddha and even those fought

for the sake of Dharma(may be through the means of Adhrma)Pandavas including the

mentors Nara-Narayan were not spared.This lesson taught by Shri Ved Vyas ji has

many anecdotes conveying repect to elders and owing to Gurujans for their

contribution directly or indirectly for promoting values.Now being re enacted

through T.V and media for marketing various products through sponsoring the soap

opera(?).Today's society accepts Gurus through power point presentations.

regards

prnams

 

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya asking such a

punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a Star Archer, with an

ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator of the great epic,

even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his unfairness!

 

Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma and must watch out,

regardless of their motives!

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of EKALAVYA,that famous

tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor learned all

skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such puranic tales,the

Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the illustrative Acharya

ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya volunteered and scrificed.In

today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find such simple ardent

disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and determined to seek

knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to devote his attention

to teach values,skills and almost donate all his capabilities and

feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale for propagation of

various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to identify a proper

person to teach as well as a Guru who will be selfless and eager to

share his wisdom.

> This is very discouraging situation that the element of 'sacrifice"

essential for propogation of knowledge is also conspicuously absent.

let alone acknowledgements.

> krishnan

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum friends!

>

> I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed because I have

had

> so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want to be or

claimed

> to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically sustained the

> nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this lifetime

> insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are concerned!

>

> One very significant scientist Guru taught me or perhaps reminded

me of

> the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

>

> a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the strongest human

memory

>

> b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

>

>

> Thanks for your attention!

>

> RR

>

> PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are really siblings

> born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but please do not

respond

> to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

>

> Thanks!!

>

>

>

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

RRji,

In the voyage of life, we come across many a gurus, some associated

with formal learning but many linked with informal daytoday

learning. I think those who leave you with a lasting impression like

your scientific guru are "gurus' in the real sense of the word.

Some of us are not so lucky and have nowhere to look up to ..no guru

anywhere and crave for gurus..

Bin guru gyan kahan se paaoon...........

I feel that a 'belief' in the Guru is the key to the traditional

Guru -shishya parampara, the quality of Gurus of this calibre is I

suppose quite rare. As krishnan dada pointed out, neither dedicated

Gurus nor shishyas are seen often in this age of instant packaging

and results.

More often than not, when we search solutions in this imperefect

world of uncertainities, finding a guru is the simple answer, one in

whose aashirwad one can place oneself and feel sheltered.

It was Bertrand Russell, If I am not wrong, who once said, blessed

are those who have can live without uncertainities ot something to

that effect. The search for an ideal Guru whether in Jyotish or in

other fields of life is as elusive as the fleeting rainbow.

Discretion or diffidence..a very fine line, that of individual

judgment..as long as one doesnt mix opinions and evaluations with

facts and presents them as a crunchy dessert ...one can perhaps be

bold and venture in the swirls of greying mists hoping to find some

sunshine on the way.

regards

rishi

[Guest guest]

Krishnan dada,

 

I hope you were not addressing me as 'Gurudev' but simply opening

your posting with respects to your Gurudeva -- like some people start

their letters with God's name :-)

 

I personally am a bit allergic to even being called acharya or

teacher as oft stated here and elsewhere. Even that label is tossed

out and accepted too casually these days. It has almost become a joke!

 

I understand your statements which are really talking about the 'big

picture' which the divine consciousness (Mahatmas, real Gurus, God)

understand and the "small picture" which the lay people like me

understand and have to work from. This big picture concept has become

very popular with the politicians, professional as well as the innate

ones, in all countries and walks of life. If only they could have had

laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier :-)

 

RR

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> Gurudev ji Pranam!

> The war slated was between Dharma and Adharma.If Shri Bhishma

Pitamamah andRaja Guru Dronacharya if fighting with Adharma being on

the side but mentally with Dharma.For a lay man it is really

difficult to grasp the resultant of actions(karma).If kaurav sena

suffered 'coz Adhrma Yuddha and even those fought for the sake of

Dharma(may be through the means of Adhrma)Pandavas including the

mentors Nara-Narayan were not spared.This lesson taught by Shri Ved

Vyas ji has many anecdotes conveying repect to elders and owing to

Gurujans for their contribution directly or indirectly for promoting

values.Now being re enacted through T.V and media for marketing

various products through sponsoring the soap opera(?).Today's society

accepts Gurus through power point presentations.

> regards

> prnams

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya asking such a

> punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a Star Archer, with

an

> ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator of the great

epic,

> even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his unfairness!

>

> Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma and must watch

out,

> regardless of their motives!

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of EKALAVYA,that famous

> tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor learned all

> skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such puranic

tales,the

> Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the illustrative Acharya

> ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya volunteered and

scrificed.In

> today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find such simple ardent

> disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and determined to seek

> knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to devote his

attention

> to teach values,skills and almost donate all his capabilities and

> feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale for propagation

of

> various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to identify a

proper

> person to teach as well as a Guru who will be selfless and eager to

> share his wisdom.

> > This is very discouraging situation that the element

of 'sacrifice"

> essential for propogation of knowledge is also conspicuously

absent.

> let alone acknowledgements.

> > krishnan

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum friends!

> >

> > I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed because I

have

> had

> > so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want to be or

> claimed

> > to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically sustained

the

> > nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this lifetime

> > insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are concerned!

> >

> > One very significant scientist Guru taught me or perhaps reminded

> me of

> > the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

> >

> > a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the strongest human

> memory

> >

> > b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

> >

> >

> > Thanks for your attention!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are really

siblings

> > born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but please do not

> respond

> > to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

> >

> > Thanks!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hindu astrology

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have to disagree with you on one point, considering the finding of

a guru or teacher being the first point in one's learning.

Experientially, someone brings us to a school and makes sure we show

up there everyday, learning begins and then if we are fortunate, the

right teachers show up. My experience in life, mine and of others

that I have been privy to is that learning must begin before the

teacher shows up (if!). Unfortunately, either out of being busy

elsewhere (less interest in what needs to be learned), being lazy

(tomorrow would be a better day to crack open the BPHS tome which has

been received three months ago!) or a variety of other reasons,

people procrastinate. Finding the right teacher and waiting for that

to happen is perhaps right for spiritual fields but in the case of

technical fields like jyotish, such waiting amounts to wasting time.

And if people are scared of learning something that is the wrong

method -- the checksum correction is built into jyotish. If

techniques or methods do not work in real charts, little is left to

the imagination what to do with those techniques!

 

RR

 

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> RRji,

> In the voyage of life, we come across many a gurus, some associated

> with formal learning but many linked with informal daytoday

> learning. I think those who leave you with a lasting impression

like

> your scientific guru are "gurus' in the real sense of the word.

> Some of us are not so lucky and have nowhere to look up to ..no

guru

> anywhere and crave for gurus..

> Bin guru gyan kahan se paaoon...........

> I feel that a 'belief' in the Guru is the key to the traditional

> Guru -shishya parampara, the quality of Gurus of this calibre is I

> suppose quite rare. As krishnan dada pointed out, neither dedicated

> Gurus nor shishyas are seen often in this age of instant packaging

> and results.

> More often than not, when we search solutions in this imperefect

> world of uncertainities, finding a guru is the simple answer, one

in

> whose aashirwad one can place oneself and feel sheltered.

> It was Bertrand Russell, If I am not wrong, who once said, blessed

> are those who have can live without uncertainities ot something to

> that effect. The search for an ideal Guru whether in Jyotish or in

> other fields of life is as elusive as the fleeting rainbow.

> Discretion or diffidence..a very fine line, that of individual

> judgment..as long as one doesnt mix opinions and evaluations with

> facts and presents them as a crunchy dessert ...one can perhaps be

> bold and venture in the swirls of greying mists hoping to find some

> sunshine on the way.

> regards

> rishi

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Rohini ji,

More I read more Iam facinated with your cryptic:If only they could have had

laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier .

may be you are made to find ways to remain obscure from making available your

postings(to me).

I prefer to call if not by the conventional ways but may I consider as my"role

model"Infact Iam frantically searching for one and to my loss everybody denies

me a teacher and Guru

krishnan

 

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

Krishnan dada,

 

I hope you were not addressing me as 'Gurudev' but simply opening

your posting with respects to your Gurudeva -- like some people start

their letters with God's name :-)

 

I personally am a bit allergic to even being called acharya or

teacher as oft stated here and elsewhere. Even that label is tossed

out and accepted too casually these days. It has almost become a joke!

 

I understand your statements which are really talking about the 'big

picture' which the divine consciousness (Mahatmas, real Gurus, God)

understand and the "small picture" which the lay people like me

understand and have to work from. This big picture concept has become

very popular with the politicians, professional as well as the innate

ones, in all countries and walks of life. If only they could have had

laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier :-)

 

RR

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> Gurudev ji Pranam!

> The war slated was between Dharma and Adharma.If Shri Bhishma

Pitamamah andRaja Guru Dronacharya if fighting with Adharma being on

the side but mentally with Dharma.For a lay man it is really

difficult to grasp the resultant of actions(karma).If kaurav sena

suffered 'coz Adhrma Yuddha and even those fought for the sake of

Dharma(may be through the means of Adhrma)Pandavas including the

mentors Nara-Narayan were not spared.This lesson taught by Shri Ved

Vyas ji has many anecdotes conveying repect to elders and owing to

Gurujans for their contribution directly or indirectly for promoting

values.Now being re enacted through T.V and media for marketing

various products through sponsoring the soap opera(?).Today's society

accepts Gurus through power point presentations.

> regards

> prnams

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya asking such a

> punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a Star Archer, with

an

> ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator of the great

epic,

> even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his unfairness!

>

> Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma and must watch

out,

> regardless of their motives!

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of EKALAVYA,that famous

> tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor learned all

> skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such puranic

tales,the

> Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the illustrative Acharya

> ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya volunteered and

scrificed.In

> today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find such simple ardent

> disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and determined to seek

> knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to devote his

attention

> to teach values,skills and almost donate all his capabilities and

> feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale for propagation

of

> various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to identify a

proper

> person to teach as well as a Guru who will be selfless and eager to

> share his wisdom.

> > This is very discouraging situation that the element

of 'sacrifice"

> essential for propogation of knowledge is also conspicuously

absent.

> let alone acknowledgements.

> > krishnan

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum friends!

> >

> > I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed because I

have

> had

> > so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want to be or

> claimed

> > to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically sustained

the

> > nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this lifetime

> > insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are concerned!

> >

> > One very significant scientist Guru taught me or perhaps reminded

> me of

> > the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

> >

> > a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the strongest human

> memory

> >

> > b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

> >

> >

> > Thanks for your attention!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are really

siblings

> > born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but please do not

> respond

> > to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

> >

> > Thanks!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hindu astrology

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Am not sure I understand why you are calling my writing

style 'cryptic'? :-)

 

I do like to use analogies and metaphores at times but they are

generally very transparent, or so I think anyway. Hardly cryptic,

hidden, between the lines, etc.

 

If others are also finding my writing difficult to understand, I hope

they will let me know so that I can improve my clarity and bring it

up to 20/20 ;-)

 

RR

 

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> More I read more Iam facinated with your cryptic:If only they could

have had

> laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier .

> may be you are made to find ways to remain obscure from making

available your postings(to me).

> I prefer to call if not by the conventional ways but may I consider

as my"role model"Infact Iam frantically searching for one and to my

loss everybody denies me a teacher and Guru

> krishnan

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Krishnan dada,

>

> I hope you were not addressing me as 'Gurudev' but simply opening

> your posting with respects to your Gurudeva -- like some people

start

> their letters with God's name :-)

>

> I personally am a bit allergic to even being called acharya or

> teacher as oft stated here and elsewhere. Even that label is tossed

> out and accepted too casually these days. It has almost become a

joke!

>

> I understand your statements which are really talking about

the 'big

> picture' which the divine consciousness (Mahatmas, real Gurus, God)

> understand and the "small picture" which the lay people like me

> understand and have to work from. This big picture concept has

become

> very popular with the politicians, professional as well as the

innate

> ones, in all countries and walks of life. If only they could have

had

> laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier :-)

>

> RR

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > Gurudev ji Pranam!

> > The war slated was between Dharma and Adharma.If Shri Bhishma

> Pitamamah andRaja Guru Dronacharya if fighting with Adharma being

on

> the side but mentally with Dharma.For a lay man it is really

> difficult to grasp the resultant of actions(karma).If kaurav sena

> suffered 'coz Adhrma Yuddha and even those fought for the sake of

> Dharma(may be through the means of Adhrma)Pandavas including the

> mentors Nara-Narayan were not spared.This lesson taught by Shri Ved

> Vyas ji has many anecdotes conveying repect to elders and owing to

> Gurujans for their contribution directly or indirectly for

promoting

> values.Now being re enacted through T.V and media for marketing

> various products through sponsoring the soap opera(?).Today's

society

> accepts Gurus through power point presentations.

> > regards

> > prnams

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya asking such a

> > punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a Star Archer, with

> an

> > ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator of the great

> epic,

> > even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his unfairness!

> >

> > Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma and must watch

> out,

> > regardless of their motives!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of EKALAVYA,that famous

> > tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor learned all

> > skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such puranic

> tales,the

> > Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the illustrative

Acharya

> > ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya volunteered and

> scrificed.In

> > today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find such simple

ardent

> > disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and determined to seek

> > knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to devote his

> attention

> > to teach values,skills and almost donate all his capabilities and

> > feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale for

propagation

> of

> > various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to identify a

> proper

> > person to teach as well as a Guru who will be selfless and eager

to

> > share his wisdom.

> > > This is very discouraging situation that the element

> of 'sacrifice"

> > essential for propogation of knowledge is also conspicuously

> absent.

> > let alone acknowledgements.

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum friends!

> > >

> > > I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed because I

> have

> > had

> > > so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want to be or

> > claimed

> > > to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically sustained

> the

> > > nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this lifetime

> > > insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are concerned!

> > >

> > > One very significant scientist Guru taught me or perhaps

reminded

> > me of

> > > the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

> > >

> > > a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the strongest

human

> > memory

> > >

> > > b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks for your attention!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are really

> siblings

> > > born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but please do not

> > respond

> > > to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

> > >

> > > Thanks!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Terms of

> > Service.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hindu astrology

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ranjan ji ur very funny sometimes u start with something and end with a thread

it is really something different , i mean wat is 20/20 at the end ? [i know wat

is 20/20 vision ]but it is funny take care godbless

 

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:Am not sure I understand why you are calling

my writing

style 'cryptic'? :-)

 

I do like to use analogies and metaphores at times but they are

generally very transparent, or so I think anyway. Hardly cryptic,

hidden, between the lines, etc.

 

If others are also finding my writing difficult to understand, I hope

they will let me know so that I can improve my clarity and bring it

up to 20/20 ;-)

 

RR

 

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> More I read more Iam facinated with your cryptic:If only they could

have had

> laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier .

> may be you are made to find ways to remain obscure from making

available your postings(to me).

> I prefer to call if not by the conventional ways but may I consider

as my"role model"Infact Iam frantically searching for one and to my

loss everybody denies me a teacher and Guru

> krishnan

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Krishnan dada,

>

> I hope you were not addressing me as 'Gurudev' but simply opening

> your posting with respects to your Gurudeva -- like some people

start

> their letters with God's name :-)

>

> I personally am a bit allergic to even being called acharya or

> teacher as oft stated here and elsewhere. Even that label is tossed

> out and accepted too casually these days. It has almost become a

joke!

>

> I understand your statements which are really talking about

the 'big

> picture' which the divine consciousness (Mahatmas, real Gurus, God)

> understand and the "small picture" which the lay people like me

> understand and have to work from. This big picture concept has

become

> very popular with the politicians, professional as well as the

innate

> ones, in all countries and walks of life. If only they could have

had

> laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier :-)

>

> RR

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > Gurudev ji Pranam!

> > The war slated was between Dharma and Adharma.If Shri Bhishma

> Pitamamah andRaja Guru Dronacharya if fighting with Adharma being

on

> the side but mentally with Dharma.For a lay man it is really

> difficult to grasp the resultant of actions(karma).If kaurav sena

> suffered 'coz Adhrma Yuddha and even those fought for the sake of

> Dharma(may be through the means of Adhrma)Pandavas including the

> mentors Nara-Narayan were not spared.This lesson taught by Shri Ved

> Vyas ji has many anecdotes conveying repect to elders and owing to

> Gurujans for their contribution directly or indirectly for

promoting

> values.Now being re enacted through T.V and media for marketing

> various products through sponsoring the soap opera(?).Today's

society

> accepts Gurus through power point presentations.

> > regards

> > prnams

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya asking such a

> > punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a Star Archer, with

> an

> > ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator of the great

> epic,

> > even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his unfairness!

> >

> > Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma and must watch

> out,

> > regardless of their motives!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of EKALAVYA,that famous

> > tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor learned all

> > skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such puranic

> tales,the

> > Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the illustrative

Acharya

> > ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya volunteered and

> scrificed.In

> > today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find such simple

ardent

> > disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and determined to seek

> > knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to devote his

> attention

> > to teach values,skills and almost donate all his capabilities and

> > feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale for

propagation

> of

> > various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to identify a

> proper

> > person to teach as well as a Guru who will be selfless and eager

to

> > share his wisdom.

> > > This is very discouraging situation that the element

> of 'sacrifice"

> > essential for propogation of knowledge is also conspicuously

> absent.

> > let alone acknowledgements.

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum friends!

> > >

> > > I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed because I

> have

> > had

> > > so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want to be or

> > claimed

> > > to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically sustained

> the

> > > nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this lifetime

> > > insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are concerned!

> > >

> > > One very significant scientist Guru taught me or perhaps

reminded

> > me of

> > > the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

> > >

> > > a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the strongest

human

> > memory

> > >

> > > b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks for your attention!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are really

> siblings

> > > born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but please do not

> > respond

> > > to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

> > >

> > > Thanks!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Terms of

> > Service.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hindu astrology

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Visit your group "" on the web.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

 

 

[Guest guest]

20/20 fine.no more veiled in obscurity

 

 

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

Am not sure I understand why you are calling my writing

style 'cryptic'? :-)

 

I do like to use analogies and metaphores at times but they are

generally very transparent, or so I think anyway. Hardly cryptic,

hidden, between the lines, etc.

 

If others are also finding my writing difficult to understand, I hope

they will let me know so that I can improve my clarity and bring it

up to 20/20 ;-)

 

RR

 

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> More I read more Iam facinated with your cryptic:If only they could

have had

> laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier .

> may be you are made to find ways to remain obscure from making

available your postings(to me).

> I prefer to call if not by the conventional ways but may I consider

as my"role model"Infact Iam frantically searching for one and to my

loss everybody denies me a teacher and Guru

> krishnan

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Krishnan dada,

>

> I hope you were not addressing me as 'Gurudev' but simply opening

> your posting with respects to your Gurudeva -- like some people

start

> their letters with God's name :-)

>

> I personally am a bit allergic to even being called acharya or

> teacher as oft stated here and elsewhere. Even that label is tossed

> out and accepted too casually these days. It has almost become a

joke!

>

> I understand your statements which are really talking about

the 'big

> picture' which the divine consciousness (Mahatmas, real Gurus, God)

> understand and the "small picture" which the lay people like me

> understand and have to work from. This big picture concept has

become

> very popular with the politicians, professional as well as the

innate

> ones, in all countries and walks of life. If only they could have

had

> laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier :-)

>

> RR

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > Gurudev ji Pranam!

> > The war slated was between Dharma and Adharma.If Shri Bhishma

> Pitamamah andRaja Guru Dronacharya if fighting with Adharma being

on

> the side but mentally with Dharma.For a lay man it is really

> difficult to grasp the resultant of actions(karma).If kaurav sena

> suffered 'coz Adhrma Yuddha and even those fought for the sake of

> Dharma(may be through the means of Adhrma)Pandavas including the

> mentors Nara-Narayan were not spared.This lesson taught by Shri Ved

> Vyas ji has many anecdotes conveying repect to elders and owing to

> Gurujans for their contribution directly or indirectly for

promoting

> values.Now being re enacted through T.V and media for marketing

> various products through sponsoring the soap opera(?).Today's

society

> accepts Gurus through power point presentations.

> > regards

> > prnams

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya asking such a

> > punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a Star Archer, with

> an

> > ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator of the great

> epic,

> > even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his unfairness!

> >

> > Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma and must watch

> out,

> > regardless of their motives!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of EKALAVYA,that famous

> > tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor learned all

> > skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such puranic

> tales,the

> > Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the illustrative

Acharya

> > ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya volunteered and

> scrificed.In

> > today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find such simple

ardent

> > disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and determined to seek

> > knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to devote his

> attention

> > to teach values,skills and almost donate all his capabilities and

> > feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale for

propagation

> of

> > various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to identify a

> proper

> > person to teach as well as a Guru who will be selfless and eager

to

> > share his wisdom.

> > > This is very discouraging situation that the element

> of 'sacrifice"

> > essential for propogation of knowledge is also conspicuously

> absent.

> > let alone acknowledgements.

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum friends!

> > >

> > > I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed because I

> have

> > had

> > > so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want to be or

> > claimed

> > > to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically sustained

> the

> > > nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this lifetime

> > > insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are concerned!

> > >

> > > One very significant scientist Guru taught me or perhaps

reminded

> > me of

> > > the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

> > >

> > > a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the strongest

human

> > memory

> > >

> > > b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks for your attention!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are really

> siblings

> > > born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but please do not

> > respond

> > > to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

> > >

> > > Thanks!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Terms of

> > Service.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hindu astrology

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Visit your group "" on the web.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yes sir, the learning is not dependent on the teacher, but wouldnt

it be fortunate if there is that teacher.....

[Guest guest]

I don't have one, nor ever tried to find one, so cannot tell you Rishi

ji :-)

 

The idea, "when student is ready, Teacher will appear" appeals to me so

much that I have never worried about that or looked or waited ...!

 

RR

 

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> Yes sir, the learning is not dependent on the teacher, but wouldnt

> it be fortunate if there is that teacher.....

>

[Guest guest]

But you did not tell me what was cryptic or where was the obscurity!

Without that I am clueless as to what to fix! I don't want to fix the

plumbing when the wiring is at fault!! Makes sense?

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> 20/20 fine.no more veiled in obscurity

>

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Am not sure I understand why you are calling my writing

> style 'cryptic'? :-)

>

> I do like to use analogies and metaphores at times but they are

> generally very transparent, or so I think anyway. Hardly cryptic,

> hidden, between the lines, etc.

>

> If others are also finding my writing difficult to understand, I

hope

> they will let me know so that I can improve my clarity and bring it

> up to 20/20 ;-)

>

> RR

>

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > More I read more Iam facinated with your cryptic:If only they

could

> have had

> > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier .

> > may be you are made to find ways to remain obscure from making

> available your postings(to me).

> > I prefer to call if not by the conventional ways but may I

consider

> as my"role model"Infact Iam frantically searching for one and to my

> loss everybody denies me a teacher and Guru

> > krishnan

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Krishnan dada,

> >

> > I hope you were not addressing me as 'Gurudev' but simply opening

> > your posting with respects to your Gurudeva -- like some people

> start

> > their letters with God's name :-)

> >

> > I personally am a bit allergic to even being called acharya or

> > teacher as oft stated here and elsewhere. Even that label is

tossed

> > out and accepted too casually these days. It has almost become a

> joke!

> >

> > I understand your statements which are really talking about

> the 'big

> > picture' which the divine consciousness (Mahatmas, real Gurus,

God)

> > understand and the "small picture" which the lay people like me

> > understand and have to work from. This big picture concept has

> become

> > very popular with the politicians, professional as well as the

> innate

> > ones, in all countries and walks of life. If only they could have

> had

> > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier :-)

> >

> > RR

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > Gurudev ji Pranam!

> > > The war slated was between Dharma and Adharma.If Shri Bhishma

> > Pitamamah andRaja Guru Dronacharya if fighting with Adharma

being

> on

> > the side but mentally with Dharma.For a lay man it is really

> > difficult to grasp the resultant of actions(karma).If kaurav sena

> > suffered 'coz Adhrma Yuddha and even those fought for the sake of

> > Dharma(may be through the means of Adhrma)Pandavas including the

> > mentors Nara-Narayan were not spared.This lesson taught by Shri

Ved

> > Vyas ji has many anecdotes conveying repect to elders and owing

to

> > Gurujans for their contribution directly or indirectly for

> promoting

> > values.Now being re enacted through T.V and media for marketing

> > various products through sponsoring the soap opera(?).Today's

> society

> > accepts Gurus through power point presentations.

> > > regards

> > > prnams

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya asking such a

> > > punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a Star Archer,

with

> > an

> > > ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator of the great

> > epic,

> > > even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his unfairness!

> > >

> > > Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma and must watch

> > out,

> > > regardless of their motives!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of EKALAVYA,that

famous

> > > tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor learned all

> > > skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such puranic

> > tales,the

> > > Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the illustrative

> Acharya

> > > ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya volunteered and

> > scrificed.In

> > > today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find such simple

> ardent

> > > disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and determined to seek

> > > knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to devote his

> > attention

> > > to teach values,skills and almost donate all his capabilities

and

> > > feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale for

> propagation

> > of

> > > various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to identify a

> > proper

> > > person to teach as well as a Guru who will be selfless and

eager

> to

> > > share his wisdom.

> > > > This is very discouraging situation that the element

> > of 'sacrifice"

> > > essential for propogation of knowledge is also conspicuously

> > absent.

> > > let alone acknowledgements.

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum friends!

> > > >

> > > > I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed because

I

> > have

> > > had

> > > > so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want to be

or

> > > claimed

> > > > to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically

sustained

> > the

> > > > nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this

lifetime

> > > > insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are concerned!

> > > >

> > > > One very significant scientist Guru taught me or perhaps

> reminded

> > > me of

> > > > the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

> > > >

> > > > a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the strongest

> human

> > > memory

> > > >

> > > > b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your attention!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are really

> > siblings

> > > > born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but please do not

> > > respond

> > > > to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

> > > >

> > > > Thanks!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH

> > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Terms

of

> > > Service.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one

click.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hindu astrology

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Terms of

> > Service.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Its human optimism that in this vast chaotic bouncing

world where thoughts, ideas and deeds merge, define

and redefine life's processes, one knows that there

are no shortcuts, yet at times one wishes for easier

solutions...particularly when Sa returns for another

around of the difficult transits and that too with

Ra/Sa antardasha, so you can ignore that wistful

thought of mine.

regards

rishi

 

--- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

 

> I don't have one, nor ever tried to find one, so

> cannot tell you Rishi

> ji :-)

>

> The idea, "when student is ready, Teacher will

> appear" appeals to me so

> much that I have never worried about that or looked

> or waited ...!

>

> RR

>

>

> ,

> "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> >

> > Yes sir, the learning is not dependent on the

> teacher, but wouldnt

> > it be fortunate if there is that teacher.....

> >

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Shri Rohini ji,

Kindly make me understand:'This big picture concept has become very popular with

the politicians, professional as well as the innate ones, in all countries and

walks of life."

some plumbing would be sufficient please

krishnan

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

But you did not tell me what was cryptic or where was the obscurity!

Without that I am clueless as to what to fix! I don't want to fix the

plumbing when the wiring is at fault!! Makes sense?

 

RR

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> 20/20 fine.no more veiled in obscurity

>

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Am not sure I understand why you are calling my writing

> style 'cryptic'? :-)

>

> I do like to use analogies and metaphores at times but they are

> generally very transparent, or so I think anyway. Hardly cryptic,

> hidden, between the lines, etc.

>

> If others are also finding my writing difficult to understand, I

hope

> they will let me know so that I can improve my clarity and bring it

> up to 20/20 ;-)

>

> RR

>

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > More I read more Iam facinated with your cryptic:If only they

could

> have had

> > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier .

> > may be you are made to find ways to remain obscure from making

> available your postings(to me).

> > I prefer to call if not by the conventional ways but may I

consider

> as my"role model"Infact Iam frantically searching for one and to my

> loss everybody denies me a teacher and Guru

> > krishnan

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Krishnan dada,

> >

> > I hope you were not addressing me as 'Gurudev' but simply opening

> > your posting with respects to your Gurudeva -- like some people

> start

> > their letters with God's name :-)

> >

> > I personally am a bit allergic to even being called acharya or

> > teacher as oft stated here and elsewhere. Even that label is

tossed

> > out and accepted too casually these days. It has almost become a

> joke!

> >

> > I understand your statements which are really talking about

> the 'big

> > picture' which the divine consciousness (Mahatmas, real Gurus,

God)

> > understand and the "small picture" which the lay people like me

> > understand and have to work from. This big picture concept has

> become

> > very popular with the politicians, professional as well as the

> innate

> > ones, in all countries and walks of life. If only they could have

> had

> > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier :-)

> >

> > RR

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > Gurudev ji Pranam!

> > > The war slated was between Dharma and Adharma.If Shri Bhishma

> > Pitamamah andRaja Guru Dronacharya if fighting with Adharma

being

> on

> > the side but mentally with Dharma.For a lay man it is really

> > difficult to grasp the resultant of actions(karma).If kaurav sena

> > suffered 'coz Adhrma Yuddha and even those fought for the sake of

> > Dharma(may be through the means of Adhrma)Pandavas including the

> > mentors Nara-Narayan were not spared.This lesson taught by Shri

Ved

> > Vyas ji has many anecdotes conveying repect to elders and owing

to

> > Gurujans for their contribution directly or indirectly for

> promoting

> > values.Now being re enacted through T.V and media for marketing

> > various products through sponsoring the soap opera(?).Today's

> society

> > accepts Gurus through power point presentations.

> > > regards

> > > prnams

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya asking such a

> > > punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a Star Archer,

with

> > an

> > > ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator of the great

> > epic,

> > > even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his unfairness!

> > >

> > > Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma and must watch

> > out,

> > > regardless of their motives!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of EKALAVYA,that

famous

> > > tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor learned all

> > > skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such puranic

> > tales,the

> > > Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the illustrative

> Acharya

> > > ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya volunteered and

> > scrificed.In

> > > today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find such simple

> ardent

> > > disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and determined to seek

> > > knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to devote his

> > attention

> > > to teach values,skills and almost donate all his capabilities

and

> > > feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale for

> propagation

> > of

> > > various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to identify a

> > proper

> > > person to teach as well as a Guru who will be selfless and

eager

> to

> > > share his wisdom.

> > > > This is very discouraging situation that the element

> > of 'sacrifice"

> > > essential for propogation of knowledge is also conspicuously

> > absent.

> > > let alone acknowledgements.

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum friends!

> > > >

> > > > I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed because

I

> > have

> > > had

> > > > so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want to be

or

> > > claimed

> > > > to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically

sustained

> > the

> > > > nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this

lifetime

> > > > insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are concerned!

> > > >

> > > > One very significant scientist Guru taught me or perhaps

> reminded

> > > me of

> > > > the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

> > > >

> > > > a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the strongest

> human

> > > memory

> > > >

> > > > b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your attention!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are really

> > siblings

> > > > born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but please do not

> > > respond

> > > > to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

> > > >

> > > > Thanks!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH

> > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Terms

of

> > > Service.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one

click.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hindu astrology

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Terms of

> > Service.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

>

>

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Probably enough has been talked about this thread and close with the contention

of "difficult transits" and that too Ke/Sa antardasa(in my case).

Rishi ji is right and sometimes it appears we are haunted with many things in

mind:be it family issue or somebody's health problem or somebody going tangent

on Astrological issues

krishnan

rishi shukla <rishi_2000in wrote:

Its human optimism that in this vast chaotic bouncing

world where thoughts, ideas and deeds merge, define

and redefine life's processes, one knows that there

are no shortcuts, yet at times one wishes for easier

solutions...particularly when Sa returns for another

around of the difficult transits and that too with

Ra/Sa antardasha, so you can ignore that wistful

thought of mine.

regards

rishi

 

--- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

 

> I don't have one, nor ever tried to find one, so

> cannot tell you Rishi

> ji :-)

>

> The idea, "when student is ready, Teacher will

> appear" appeals to me so

> much that I have never worried about that or looked

> or waited ...!

>

> RR

>

>

> ,

> "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> >

> > Yes sir, the learning is not dependent on the

> teacher, but wouldnt

> > it be fortunate if there is that teacher.....

> >

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

Start your day with - Make it your home page!

http://www./r/hs

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Visit your group "" on the web.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Krishnanji,

I presume that is the modesty of Rohiniranjanji,He can view the big

picture too but prefers to deal with microlevel parts of the

picture, which are more difficult to handle!

regards

rishi

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> Kindly make me understand:'This big picture concept has become

very popular with the politicians, professional as well as the

innate ones, in all countries and walks of life."

> some plumbing would be sufficient please

> krishnan

> rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> But you did not tell me what was cryptic or where was the

obscurity!

> Without that I am clueless as to what to fix! I don't want to fix

the

> plumbing when the wiring is at fault!! Makes sense?

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > 20/20 fine.no more veiled in obscurity

> >

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Am not sure I understand why you are calling my writing

> > style 'cryptic'? :-)

> >

> > I do like to use analogies and metaphores at times but they are

> > generally very transparent, or so I think anyway. Hardly

cryptic,

> > hidden, between the lines, etc.

> >

> > If others are also finding my writing difficult to understand, I

> hope

> > they will let me know so that I can improve my clarity and bring

it

> > up to 20/20 ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > > More I read more Iam facinated with your cryptic:If only they

> could

> > have had

> > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier .

> > > may be you are made to find ways to remain obscure from making

> > available your postings(to me).

> > > I prefer to call if not by the conventional ways but may I

> consider

> > as my"role model"Infact Iam frantically searching for one and to

my

> > loss everybody denies me a teacher and Guru

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > Krishnan dada,

> > >

> > > I hope you were not addressing me as 'Gurudev' but simply

opening

> > > your posting with respects to your Gurudeva -- like some

people

> > start

> > > their letters with God's name :-)

> > >

> > > I personally am a bit allergic to even being called acharya or

> > > teacher as oft stated here and elsewhere. Even that label is

> tossed

> > > out and accepted too casually these days. It has almost become

a

> > joke!

> > >

> > > I understand your statements which are really talking about

> > the 'big

> > > picture' which the divine consciousness (Mahatmas, real Gurus,

> God)

> > > understand and the "small picture" which the lay people like

me

> > > understand and have to work from. This big picture concept has

> > become

> > > very popular with the politicians, professional as well as the

> > innate

> > > ones, in all countries and walks of life. If only they could

have

> > had

> > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier :-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Gurudev ji Pranam!

> > > > The war slated was between Dharma and Adharma.If Shri

Bhishma

> > > Pitamamah andRaja Guru Dronacharya if fighting with Adharma

> being

> > on

> > > the side but mentally with Dharma.For a lay man it is really

> > > difficult to grasp the resultant of actions(karma).If kaurav

sena

> > > suffered 'coz Adhrma Yuddha and even those fought for the sake

of

> > > Dharma(may be through the means of Adhrma)Pandavas including

the

> > > mentors Nara-Narayan were not spared.This lesson taught by

Shri

> Ved

> > > Vyas ji has many anecdotes conveying repect to elders and

owing

> to

> > > Gurujans for their contribution directly or indirectly for

> > promoting

> > > values.Now being re enacted through T.V and media for

marketing

> > > various products through sponsoring the soap opera(?).Today's

> > society

> > > accepts Gurus through power point presentations.

> > > > regards

> > > > prnams

> > > >

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya asking such

a

> > > > punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a Star Archer,

> with

> > > an

> > > > ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator of the

great

> > > epic,

> > > > even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his unfairness!

> > > >

> > > > Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma and must

watch

> > > out,

> > > > regardless of their motives!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of EKALAVYA,that

> famous

> > > > tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor learned all

> > > > skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such puranic

> > > tales,the

> > > > Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the illustrative

> > Acharya

> > > > ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya volunteered and

> > > scrificed.In

> > > > today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find such simple

> > ardent

> > > > disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and determined to

seek

> > > > knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to devote his

> > > attention

> > > > to teach values,skills and almost donate all his

capabilities

> and

> > > > feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale for

> > propagation

> > > of

> > > > various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to identify

a

> > > proper

> > > > person to teach as well as a Guru who will be selfless and

> eager

> > to

> > > > share his wisdom.

> > > > > This is very discouraging situation that the element

> > > of 'sacrifice"

> > > > essential for propogation of knowledge is also conspicuously

> > > absent.

> > > > let alone acknowledgements.

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum

friends!

> > > > >

> > > > > I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed

because

> I

> > > have

> > > > had

> > > > > so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want to

be

> or

> > > > claimed

> > > > > to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically

> sustained

> > > the

> > > > > nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this

> lifetime

> > > > > insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are concerned!

> > > > >

> > > > > One very significant scientist Guru taught me or perhaps

> > reminded

> > > > me of

> > > > > the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

> > > > >

> > > > > a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the

strongest

> > human

> > > > memory

> > > > >

> > > > > b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for your attention!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are really

> > > siblings

> > > > > born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but please do

not

> > > > respond

> > > > > to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks!!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > > RELISH

> > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > >

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Rishi ji

I really eulogise his formanship.In any way he does not relish acharyas.That is

greatness of him

krishnan

 

rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in wrote:

Krishnanji,

I presume that is the modesty of Rohiniranjanji,He can view the big

picture too but prefers to deal with microlevel parts of the

picture, which are more difficult to handle!

regards

rishi

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> Kindly make me understand:'This big picture concept has become

very popular with the politicians, professional as well as the

innate ones, in all countries and walks of life."

> some plumbing would be sufficient please

> krishnan

> rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> But you did not tell me what was cryptic or where was the

obscurity!

> Without that I am clueless as to what to fix! I don't want to fix

the

> plumbing when the wiring is at fault!! Makes sense?

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > 20/20 fine.no more veiled in obscurity

> >

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Am not sure I understand why you are calling my writing

> > style 'cryptic'? :-)

> >

> > I do like to use analogies and metaphores at times but they are

> > generally very transparent, or so I think anyway. Hardly

cryptic,

> > hidden, between the lines, etc.

> >

> > If others are also finding my writing difficult to understand, I

> hope

> > they will let me know so that I can improve my clarity and bring

it

> > up to 20/20 ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > > More I read more Iam facinated with your cryptic:If only they

> could

> > have had

> > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier .

> > > may be you are made to find ways to remain obscure from making

> > available your postings(to me).

> > > I prefer to call if not by the conventional ways but may I

> consider

> > as my"role model"Infact Iam frantically searching for one and to

my

> > loss everybody denies me a teacher and Guru

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > Krishnan dada,

> > >

> > > I hope you were not addressing me as 'Gurudev' but simply

opening

> > > your posting with respects to your Gurudeva -- like some

people

> > start

> > > their letters with God's name :-)

> > >

> > > I personally am a bit allergic to even being called acharya or

> > > teacher as oft stated here and elsewhere. Even that label is

> tossed

> > > out and accepted too casually these days. It has almost become

a

> > joke!

> > >

> > > I understand your statements which are really talking about

> > the 'big

> > > picture' which the divine consciousness (Mahatmas, real Gurus,

> God)

> > > understand and the "small picture" which the lay people like

me

> > > understand and have to work from. This big picture concept has

> > become

> > > very popular with the politicians, professional as well as the

> > innate

> > > ones, in all countries and walks of life. If only they could

have

> > had

> > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier :-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Gurudev ji Pranam!

> > > > The war slated was between Dharma and Adharma.If Shri

Bhishma

> > > Pitamamah andRaja Guru Dronacharya if fighting with Adharma

> being

> > on

> > > the side but mentally with Dharma.For a lay man it is really

> > > difficult to grasp the resultant of actions(karma).If kaurav

sena

> > > suffered 'coz Adhrma Yuddha and even those fought for the sake

of

> > > Dharma(may be through the means of Adhrma)Pandavas including

the

> > > mentors Nara-Narayan were not spared.This lesson taught by

Shri

> Ved

> > > Vyas ji has many anecdotes conveying repect to elders and

owing

> to

> > > Gurujans for their contribution directly or indirectly for

> > promoting

> > > values.Now being re enacted through T.V and media for

marketing

> > > various products through sponsoring the soap opera(?).Today's

> > society

> > > accepts Gurus through power point presentations.

> > > > regards

> > > > prnams

> > > >

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya asking such

a

> > > > punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a Star Archer,

> with

> > > an

> > > > ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator of the

great

> > > epic,

> > > > even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his unfairness!

> > > >

> > > > Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma and must

watch

> > > out,

> > > > regardless of their motives!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of EKALAVYA,that

> famous

> > > > tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor learned all

> > > > skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such puranic

> > > tales,the

> > > > Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the illustrative

> > Acharya

> > > > ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya volunteered and

> > > scrificed.In

> > > > today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find such simple

> > ardent

> > > > disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and determined to

seek

> > > > knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to devote his

> > > attention

> > > > to teach values,skills and almost donate all his

capabilities

> and

> > > > feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale for

> > propagation

> > > of

> > > > various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to identify

a

> > > proper

> > > > person to teach as well as a Guru who will be selfless and

> eager

> > to

> > > > share his wisdom.

> > > > > This is very discouraging situation that the element

> > > of 'sacrifice"

> > > > essential for propogation of knowledge is also conspicuously

> > > absent.

> > > > let alone acknowledgements.

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum

friends!

> > > > >

> > > > > I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed

because

> I

> > > have

> > > > had

> > > > > so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want to

be

> or

> > > > claimed

> > > > > to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically

> sustained

> > > the

> > > > > nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this

> lifetime

> > > > > insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are concerned!

> > > > >

> > > > > One very significant scientist Guru taught me or perhaps

> > reminded

> > > > me of

> > > > > the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

> > > > >

> > > > > a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the

strongest

> > human

> > > > memory

> > > > >

> > > > > b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for your attention!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are really

> > > siblings

> > > > > born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but please do

not

> > > > respond

> > > > > to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks!!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > > RELISH

> > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

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> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH

> > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Rishi-ji,

 

Like many of the earlier posts lately, as soon as I read a message, a

post, I hit return -- even before realizing if I have anything

significant to say, or even if I understand fully what is being asked

of ... us, and not just me! This is another of those ones!

 

Emotions reach us before words do and with mars doing its one step

forward, two backwards and I am staying here and not moving out

readily dance it does from time to time, perhaps it is affecting

jyotishis all over the place as observant ones must not be missing I

hope!

 

I am convinced now that mars rules jyotishis! I shall leave it at

that! Hope you look! I will write about that someday using data of

contemporary jyotishis ...

 

This is a window for growth, it seems, it appears so if you are on

several jyotish lists. One can miss the whole point while looking for

astrological correlates for growth or one could simply let go and

grow!

 

The analysis can always come later, in fact it generally if not

always does! Growth is not that patient, though! It comes and it

simply goes!!

 

RR

 

 

 

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> Its human optimism that in this vast chaotic bouncing

> world where thoughts, ideas and deeds merge, define

> and redefine life's processes, one knows that there

> are no shortcuts, yet at times one wishes for easier

> solutions...particularly when Sa returns for another

> around of the difficult transits and that too with

> Ra/Sa antardasha, so you can ignore that wistful

> thought of mine.

> regards

> rishi

>

> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

>

> > I don't have one, nor ever tried to find one, so

> > cannot tell you Rishi

> > ji :-)

> >

> > The idea, "when student is ready, Teacher will

> > appear" appeals to me so

> > much that I have never worried about that or looked

> > or waited ...!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > ,

> > "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes sir, the learning is not dependent on the

> > teacher, but wouldnt

> > > it be fortunate if there is that teacher.....

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> Start your day with - Make it your home page!

> http://www./r/hs

>

[Guest guest]

I asked first!

 

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> Kindly make me understand:'This big picture concept has become very

popular with the politicians, professional as well as the innate

ones, in all countries and walks of life."

> some plumbing would be sufficient please

> krishnan

> rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> But you did not tell me what was cryptic or where was the

obscurity!

> Without that I am clueless as to what to fix! I don't want to fix

the

> plumbing when the wiring is at fault!! Makes sense?

>

> RR

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > 20/20 fine.no more veiled in obscurity

> >

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Am not sure I understand why you are calling my writing

> > style 'cryptic'? :-)

> >

> > I do like to use analogies and metaphores at times but they are

> > generally very transparent, or so I think anyway. Hardly cryptic,

> > hidden, between the lines, etc.

> >

> > If others are also finding my writing difficult to understand, I

> hope

> > they will let me know so that I can improve my clarity and bring

it

> > up to 20/20 ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > > More I read more Iam facinated with your cryptic:If only they

> could

> > have had

> > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier .

> > > may be you are made to find ways to remain obscure from making

> > available your postings(to me).

> > > I prefer to call if not by the conventional ways but may I

> consider

> > as my"role model"Infact Iam frantically searching for one and to

my

> > loss everybody denies me a teacher and Guru

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > Krishnan dada,

> > >

> > > I hope you were not addressing me as 'Gurudev' but simply

opening

> > > your posting with respects to your Gurudeva -- like some people

> > start

> > > their letters with God's name :-)

> > >

> > > I personally am a bit allergic to even being called acharya or

> > > teacher as oft stated here and elsewhere. Even that label is

> tossed

> > > out and accepted too casually these days. It has almost become

a

> > joke!

> > >

> > > I understand your statements which are really talking about

> > the 'big

> > > picture' which the divine consciousness (Mahatmas, real Gurus,

> God)

> > > understand and the "small picture" which the lay people like me

> > > understand and have to work from. This big picture concept has

> > become

> > > very popular with the politicians, professional as well as the

> > innate

> > > ones, in all countries and walks of life. If only they could

have

> > had

> > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier :-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Gurudev ji Pranam!

> > > > The war slated was between Dharma and Adharma.If Shri Bhishma

> > > Pitamamah andRaja Guru Dronacharya if fighting with Adharma

> being

> > on

> > > the side but mentally with Dharma.For a lay man it is really

> > > difficult to grasp the resultant of actions(karma).If kaurav

sena

> > > suffered 'coz Adhrma Yuddha and even those fought for the sake

of

> > > Dharma(may be through the means of Adhrma)Pandavas including

the

> > > mentors Nara-Narayan were not spared.This lesson taught by Shri

> Ved

> > > Vyas ji has many anecdotes conveying repect to elders and owing

> to

> > > Gurujans for their contribution directly or indirectly for

> > promoting

> > > values.Now being re enacted through T.V and media for marketing

> > > various products through sponsoring the soap opera(?).Today's

> > society

> > > accepts Gurus through power point presentations.

> > > > regards

> > > > prnams

> > > >

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya asking such a

> > > > punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a Star Archer,

> with

> > > an

> > > > ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator of the

great

> > > epic,

> > > > even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his unfairness!

> > > >

> > > > Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma and must

watch

> > > out,

> > > > regardless of their motives!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of EKALAVYA,that

> famous

> > > > tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor learned all

> > > > skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such puranic

> > > tales,the

> > > > Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the illustrative

> > Acharya

> > > > ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya volunteered and

> > > scrificed.In

> > > > today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find such simple

> > ardent

> > > > disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and determined to

seek

> > > > knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to devote his

> > > attention

> > > > to teach values,skills and almost donate all his capabilities

> and

> > > > feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale for

> > propagation

> > > of

> > > > various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to identify a

> > > proper

> > > > person to teach as well as a Guru who will be selfless and

> eager

> > to

> > > > share his wisdom.

> > > > > This is very discouraging situation that the element

> > > of 'sacrifice"

> > > > essential for propogation of knowledge is also conspicuously

> > > absent.

> > > > let alone acknowledgements.

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum friends!

> > > > >

> > > > > I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed

because

> I

> > > have

> > > > had

> > > > > so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want to be

> or

> > > > claimed

> > > > > to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically

> sustained

> > > the

> > > > > nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this

> lifetime

> > > > > insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are concerned!

> > > > >

> > > > > One very significant scientist Guru taught me or perhaps

> > reminded

> > > > me of

> > > > > the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

> > > > >

> > > > > a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the strongest

> > human

> > > > memory

> > > > >

> > > > > b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for your attention!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are really

> > > siblings

> > > > > born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but please do

not

> > > > respond

> > > > > to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

> > > > >

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> > RELISH

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> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

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[Guest guest]

Kumar^2 (kumar.kumar?)

 

Trust me, it has not been funny, at all :-)

even though I can still smile and wink about it ;-)

 

It is my email address of some years of standing --

 

clarity2020

 

It is strange that I have had absolutely no personal need in this

lifetime, for jyotish or astrology BUT I soon figured out in my life

that that is what perhaps can or even will give a clearer picture and

hence a 20/20 vision.

 

This is generally believed to represent perfect vision (what you are

supposed to see at 20 feet as per the eye doctors is what you

actually see at 20 feet -- and for some of you french metric lovers a

vision, or more specifically a 'visual acuity' of 6/6 Meters), I

wondered if jyotish, for me and hopefully you all, should not have

that very same goal -- hence my email choice of

clarity2020

for some time. It is a wish, not yet fulfilled if you must know.

 

Believe me Kumar^2, it has not been fun at all, since I chose that

fated email address, if you must or even care to know!

 

RR

(on the waiting list for Divine laser eye surgery)

 

 

, kumar kumar

<kumar07306> wrote:

>

> ranjan ji ur very funny sometimes u start with something and end

with a thread it is really something different , i mean wat is 20/20

at the end ? [i know wat is 20/20 vision ]but it is funny take care

godbless

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:Am not sure I understand why you are

calling my writing

> style 'cryptic'? :-)

>

> I do like to use analogies and metaphores at times but they are

> generally very transparent, or so I think anyway. Hardly cryptic,

> hidden, between the lines, etc.

>

> If others are also finding my writing difficult to understand, I

hope

> they will let me know so that I can improve my clarity and bring it

> up to 20/20 ;-)

>

> RR

>

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > More I read more Iam facinated with your cryptic:If only they

could

> have had

> > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier .

> > may be you are made to find ways to remain obscure from making

> available your postings(to me).

> > I prefer to call if not by the conventional ways but may I

consider

> as my"role model"Infact Iam frantically searching for one and to my

> loss everybody denies me a teacher and Guru

> > krishnan

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Krishnan dada,

> >

> > I hope you were not addressing me as 'Gurudev' but simply opening

> > your posting with respects to your Gurudeva -- like some people

> start

> > their letters with God's name :-)

> >

> > I personally am a bit allergic to even being called acharya or

> > teacher as oft stated here and elsewhere. Even that label is

tossed

> > out and accepted too casually these days. It has almost become a

> joke!

> >

> > I understand your statements which are really talking about

> the 'big

> > picture' which the divine consciousness (Mahatmas, real Gurus,

God)

> > understand and the "small picture" which the lay people like me

> > understand and have to work from. This big picture concept has

> become

> > very popular with the politicians, professional as well as the

> innate

> > ones, in all countries and walks of life. If only they could have

> had

> > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier :-)

> >

> > RR

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > Gurudev ji Pranam!

> > > The war slated was between Dharma and Adharma.If Shri Bhishma

> > Pitamamah andRaja Guru Dronacharya if fighting with Adharma

being

> on

> > the side but mentally with Dharma.For a lay man it is really

> > difficult to grasp the resultant of actions(karma).If kaurav sena

> > suffered 'coz Adhrma Yuddha and even those fought for the sake of

> > Dharma(may be through the means of Adhrma)Pandavas including the

> > mentors Nara-Narayan were not spared.This lesson taught by Shri

Ved

> > Vyas ji has many anecdotes conveying repect to elders and owing

to

> > Gurujans for their contribution directly or indirectly for

> promoting

> > values.Now being re enacted through T.V and media for marketing

> > various products through sponsoring the soap opera(?).Today's

> society

> > accepts Gurus through power point presentations.

> > > regards

> > > prnams

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya asking such a

> > > punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a Star Archer,

with

> > an

> > > ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator of the great

> > epic,

> > > even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his unfairness!

> > >

> > > Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma and must watch

> > out,

> > > regardless of their motives!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of EKALAVYA,that

famous

> > > tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor learned all

> > > skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such puranic

> > tales,the

> > > Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the illustrative

> Acharya

> > > ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya volunteered and

> > scrificed.In

> > > today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find such simple

> ardent

> > > disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and determined to seek

> > > knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to devote his

> > attention

> > > to teach values,skills and almost donate all his capabilities

and

> > > feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale for

> propagation

> > of

> > > various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to identify a

> > proper

> > > person to teach as well as a Guru who will be selfless and

eager

> to

> > > share his wisdom.

> > > > This is very discouraging situation that the element

> > of 'sacrifice"

> > > essential for propogation of knowledge is also conspicuously

> > absent.

> > > let alone acknowledgements.

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum friends!

> > > >

> > > > I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed because

I

> > have

> > > had

> > > > so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want to be

or

> > > claimed

> > > > to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically

sustained

> > the

> > > > nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this

lifetime

> > > > insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are concerned!

> > > >

> > > > One very significant scientist Guru taught me or perhaps

> reminded

> > > me of

> > > > the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

> > > >

> > > > a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the strongest

> human

> > > memory

> > > >

> > > > b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for your attention!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are really

> > siblings

> > > > born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but please do not

> > > respond

> > > > to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

> > > >

> > > > Thanks!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH

> > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Terms

of

> > > Service.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one

click.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hindu astrology

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Terms of

> > Service.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

>

>

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> Terms of

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>

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> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Friends!

 

Your disappointment reaches me deep inside, but I think it was mis-

addressed!

 

I truly believe that when something really bothers us -- we must

always write a letter, a journal but we should not send it out to

someone else outside of us! This is where you and I differ!

 

See, I truly believe and advocate that we all - whether with or

without gurus and teachers, must write a journal, sincerely --

stating all our wishes and beefs and problems but then we should not

send it outside -- rather we MUST take IT in, we absorb it all inside

of us, deep inside during our daily meditation, the precious quality

time we are supposed to revel in and enjoy daily!

 

The teacher is there within, always, even or particularly when he or

she does not choose to materialize and hit us on the head as an

external being from the outside!

 

 

When we realize that we miss or have lost something valuable that we

know had always been ours, we FIRST look for it inside our HOME!

 

 

<Just now promoted to Foreman,>

Rohiniranjan

 

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> Rishi ji

> I really eulogise his formanship.In any way he does not relish

acharyas.That is greatness of him

> krishnan

>

> rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> Krishnanji,

> I presume that is the modesty of Rohiniranjanji,He can view the big

> picture too but prefers to deal with microlevel parts of the

> picture, which are more difficult to handle!

> regards

> rishi

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > Kindly make me understand:'This big picture concept has become

> very popular with the politicians, professional as well as the

> innate ones, in all countries and walks of life."

> > some plumbing would be sufficient please

> > krishnan

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > But you did not tell me what was cryptic or where was the

> obscurity!

> > Without that I am clueless as to what to fix! I don't want to fix

> the

> > plumbing when the wiring is at fault!! Makes sense?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > 20/20 fine.no more veiled in obscurity

> > >

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > Am not sure I understand why you are calling my writing

> > > style 'cryptic'? :-)

> > >

> > > I do like to use analogies and metaphores at times but they are

> > > generally very transparent, or so I think anyway. Hardly

> cryptic,

> > > hidden, between the lines, etc.

> > >

> > > If others are also finding my writing difficult to understand,

I

> > hope

> > > they will let me know so that I can improve my clarity and

bring

> it

> > > up to 20/20 ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > > > More I read more Iam facinated with your cryptic:If only they

> > could

> > > have had

> > > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier .

> > > > may be you are made to find ways to remain obscure from

making

> > > available your postings(to me).

> > > > I prefer to call if not by the conventional ways but may I

> > consider

> > > as my"role model"Infact Iam frantically searching for one and

to

> my

> > > loss everybody denies me a teacher and Guru

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > Krishnan dada,

> > > >

> > > > I hope you were not addressing me as 'Gurudev' but simply

> opening

> > > > your posting with respects to your Gurudeva -- like some

> people

> > > start

> > > > their letters with God's name :-)

> > > >

> > > > I personally am a bit allergic to even being called acharya

or

> > > > teacher as oft stated here and elsewhere. Even that label is

> > tossed

> > > > out and accepted too casually these days. It has almost

become

> a

> > > joke!

> > > >

> > > > I understand your statements which are really talking about

> > > the 'big

> > > > picture' which the divine consciousness (Mahatmas, real

Gurus,

> > God)

> > > > understand and the "small picture" which the lay people like

> me

> > > > understand and have to work from. This big picture concept

has

> > > become

> > > > very popular with the politicians, professional as well as

the

> > > innate

> > > > ones, in all countries and walks of life. If only they could

> have

> > > had

> > > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier :-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Gurudev ji Pranam!

> > > > > The war slated was between Dharma and Adharma.If Shri

> Bhishma

> > > > Pitamamah andRaja Guru Dronacharya if fighting with Adharma

> > being

> > > on

> > > > the side but mentally with Dharma.For a lay man it is really

> > > > difficult to grasp the resultant of actions(karma).If kaurav

> sena

> > > > suffered 'coz Adhrma Yuddha and even those fought for the

sake

> of

> > > > Dharma(may be through the means of Adhrma)Pandavas including

> the

> > > > mentors Nara-Narayan were not spared.This lesson taught by

> Shri

> > Ved

> > > > Vyas ji has many anecdotes conveying repect to elders and

> owing

> > to

> > > > Gurujans for their contribution directly or indirectly for

> > > promoting

> > > > values.Now being re enacted through T.V and media for

> marketing

> > > > various products through sponsoring the soap opera(?).Today's

> > > society

> > > > accepts Gurus through power point presentations.

> > > > > regards

> > > > > prnams

> > > > >

> > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya asking such

> a

> > > > > punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a Star

Archer,

> > with

> > > > an

> > > > > ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator of the

> great

> > > > epic,

> > > > > even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his unfairness!

> > > > >

> > > > > Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma and must

> watch

> > > > out,

> > > > > regardless of their motives!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of EKALAVYA,that

> > famous

> > > > > tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor learned

all

> > > > > skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such puranic

> > > > tales,the

> > > > > Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the illustrative

> > > Acharya

> > > > > ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya volunteered and

> > > > scrificed.In

> > > > > today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find such

simple

> > > ardent

> > > > > disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and determined to

> seek

> > > > > knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to devote his

> > > > attention

> > > > > to teach values,skills and almost donate all his

> capabilities

> > and

> > > > > feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale for

> > > propagation

> > > > of

> > > > > various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to identify

> a

> > > > proper

> > > > > person to teach as well as a Guru who will be selfless and

> > eager

> > > to

> > > > > share his wisdom.

> > > > > > This is very discouraging situation that the element

> > > > of 'sacrifice"

> > > > > essential for propogation of knowledge is also

conspicuously

> > > > absent.

> > > > > let alone acknowledgements.

> > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum

> friends!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed

> because

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > had

> > > > > > so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want to

> be

> > or

> > > > > claimed

> > > > > > to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically

> > sustained

> > > > the

> > > > > > nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this

> > lifetime

> > > > > > insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are concerned!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One very significant scientist Guru taught me or perhaps

> > > reminded

> > > > > me of

> > > > > > the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the

> strongest

> > > human

> > > > > memory

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for your attention!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are

really

> > > > siblings

> > > > > > born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but please do

> not

> > > > > respond

> > > > > > to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks!!

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> > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

> AND

> > > > RELISH

> > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > >

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> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > > RELISH

> > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hindu astrology

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> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH

> > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

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> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sir

 

honestly i like ur mail so much, but how many of us ahve that kind of willpower

to absorb our problems and worries to ourselves and still feel normal

i did have the habit of writing diary and re-read it again and again and used to

find the problems becoming smaller and smaller as i read it again and again

but over a period of time we become so vulnerable and feel like discussing it

with friends and known people and get some kind of relief

pls do let me know how to control the mind and have the bliss of life

best regards

 

vijaya

-

rohiniranjan

Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:49 PM

Re: I have had many gurus in life! For those who might wish to

read this!!

 

 

Dear Friends!

 

Your disappointment reaches me deep inside, but I think it was mis-

addressed!

 

I truly believe that when something really bothers us -- we must

always write a letter, a journal but we should not send it out to

someone else outside of us! This is where you and I differ!

 

See, I truly believe and advocate that we all - whether with or

without gurus and teachers, must write a journal, sincerely --

stating all our wishes and beefs and problems but then we should not

send it outside -- rather we MUST take IT in, we absorb it all inside

of us, deep inside during our daily meditation, the precious quality

time we are supposed to revel in and enjoy daily!

 

The teacher is there within, always, even or particularly when he or

she does not choose to materialize and hit us on the head as an

external being from the outside!

 

 

When we realize that we miss or have lost something valuable that we

know had always been ours, we FIRST look for it inside our HOME!

 

 

<Just now promoted to Foreman,>

Rohiniranjan

 

 

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> Rishi ji

> I really eulogise his formanship.In any way he does not relish

acharyas.That is greatness of him

> krishnan

>

> rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> Krishnanji,

> I presume that is the modesty of Rohiniranjanji,He can view the big

> picture too but prefers to deal with microlevel parts of the

> picture, which are more difficult to handle!

> regards

> rishi

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > Kindly make me understand:'This big picture concept has become

> very popular with the politicians, professional as well as the

> innate ones, in all countries and walks of life."

> > some plumbing would be sufficient please

> > krishnan

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > But you did not tell me what was cryptic or where was the

> obscurity!

> > Without that I am clueless as to what to fix! I don't want to fix

> the

> > plumbing when the wiring is at fault!! Makes sense?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > 20/20 fine.no more veiled in obscurity

> > >

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > Am not sure I understand why you are calling my writing

> > > style 'cryptic'? :-)

> > >

> > > I do like to use analogies and metaphores at times but they are

> > > generally very transparent, or so I think anyway. Hardly

> cryptic,

> > > hidden, between the lines, etc.

> > >

> > > If others are also finding my writing difficult to understand,

I

> > hope

> > > they will let me know so that I can improve my clarity and

bring

> it

> > > up to 20/20 ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > > > More I read more Iam facinated with your cryptic:If only they

> > could

> > > have had

> > > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier .

> > > > may be you are made to find ways to remain obscure from

making

> > > available your postings(to me).

> > > > I prefer to call if not by the conventional ways but may I

> > consider

> > > as my"role model"Infact Iam frantically searching for one and

to

> my

> > > loss everybody denies me a teacher and Guru

> > > > krishnan

> > > >

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > Krishnan dada,

> > > >

> > > > I hope you were not addressing me as 'Gurudev' but simply

> opening

> > > > your posting with respects to your Gurudeva -- like some

> people

> > > start

> > > > their letters with God's name :-)

> > > >

> > > > I personally am a bit allergic to even being called acharya

or

> > > > teacher as oft stated here and elsewhere. Even that label is

> > tossed

> > > > out and accepted too casually these days. It has almost

become

> a

> > > joke!

> > > >

> > > > I understand your statements which are really talking about

> > > the 'big

> > > > picture' which the divine consciousness (Mahatmas, real

Gurus,

> > God)

> > > > understand and the "small picture" which the lay people like

> me

> > > > understand and have to work from. This big picture concept

has

> > > become

> > > > very popular with the politicians, professional as well as

the

> > > innate

> > > > ones, in all countries and walks of life. If only they could

> have

> > > had

> > > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier :-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Gurudev ji Pranam!

> > > > > The war slated was between Dharma and Adharma.If Shri

> Bhishma

> > > > Pitamamah andRaja Guru Dronacharya if fighting with Adharma

> > being

> > > on

> > > > the side but mentally with Dharma.For a lay man it is really

> > > > difficult to grasp the resultant of actions(karma).If kaurav

> sena

> > > > suffered 'coz Adhrma Yuddha and even those fought for the

sake

> of

> > > > Dharma(may be through the means of Adhrma)Pandavas including

> the

> > > > mentors Nara-Narayan were not spared.This lesson taught by

> Shri

> > Ved

> > > > Vyas ji has many anecdotes conveying repect to elders and

> owing

> > to

> > > > Gurujans for their contribution directly or indirectly for

> > > promoting

> > > > values.Now being re enacted through T.V and media for

> marketing

> > > > various products through sponsoring the soap opera(?).Today's

> > > society

> > > > accepts Gurus through power point presentations.

> > > > > regards

> > > > > prnams

> > > > >

> > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya asking such

> a

> > > > > punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a Star

Archer,

> > with

> > > > an

> > > > > ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator of the

> great

> > > > epic,

> > > > > even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his unfairness!

> > > > >

> > > > > Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma and must

> watch

> > > > out,

> > > > > regardless of their motives!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of EKALAVYA,that

> > famous

> > > > > tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor learned

all

> > > > > skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such puranic

> > > > tales,the

> > > > > Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the illustrative

> > > Acharya

> > > > > ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya volunteered and

> > > > scrificed.In

> > > > > today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find such

simple

> > > ardent

> > > > > disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and determined to

> seek

> > > > > knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to devote his

> > > > attention

> > > > > to teach values,skills and almost donate all his

> capabilities

> > and

> > > > > feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale for

> > > propagation

> > > > of

> > > > > various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to identify

> a

> > > > proper

> > > > > person to teach as well as a Guru who will be selfless and

> > eager

> > > to

> > > > > share his wisdom.

> > > > > > This is very discouraging situation that the element

> > > > of 'sacrifice"

> > > > > essential for propogation of knowledge is also

conspicuously

> > > > absent.

> > > > > let alone acknowledgements.

> > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum

> friends!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed

> because

> > I

> > > > have

> > > > > had

> > > > > > so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want to

> be

> > or

> > > > > claimed

> > > > > > to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically

> > sustained

> > > > the

> > > > > > nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this

> > lifetime

> > > > > > insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are concerned!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One very significant scientist Guru taught me or perhaps

> > > reminded

> > > > > me of

> > > > > > the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the

> strongest

> > > human

> > > > > memory

> > > > > >

> > > > > > b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for your attention!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are

really

> > > > siblings

> > > > > > born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but please do

> not

> > > > > respond

> > > > > > to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

> AND

> > > > RELISH

> > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > > RELISH

> > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > RELISH

> > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

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> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

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SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE

OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

It is not willpower, dear -- on any POWER!

It is about truly realizing that while important, each atom really

does not make a difference and is entirely dispensible. Recent

medical knowledge talks about tissues and organs being completely

renewed in our bodies over 7-10 years! In 10 years your organs will

be recycled so they have completely different atoms than what they

had 10 years ago!

 

Even organs like brain that do not turn-over and grow or change that

much, as per conventional medical wisdom! But the atoms that make

those dormant organs do change!

 

Astrologers must become sensitive to that kind of turnover, that kind

of subtle change! We look at that mars in the natal radix at age 15,

age 25, age 50, age 70 and think that mars is the same, but it is not!

 

It is moving all the time, it is changing all the time, through

transits and through dashas and more than a few of those!

 

Flowing water OR ice --- Your choice!

 

RR

 

 

 

, "vijaya" <vijayamalur@t...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sir

>

> honestly i like ur mail so much, but how many of us ahve that kind

of willpower to absorb our problems and worries to ourselves and

still feel normal

> i did have the habit of writing diary and re-read it again and

again and used to find the problems becoming smaller and smaller as i

read it again and again

> but over a period of time we become so vulnerable and feel like

discussing it with friends and known people and get some kind of

relief

> pls do let me know how to control the mind and have the bliss of

life

> best regards

>

> vijaya

> -

> rohiniranjan

>

> Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:49 PM

> Re: I have had many gurus in life! For those who

might wish to read this!!

>

>

> Dear Friends!

>

> Your disappointment reaches me deep inside, but I think it was

mis-

> addressed!

>

> I truly believe that when something really bothers us -- we must

> always write a letter, a journal but we should not send it out to

> someone else outside of us! This is where you and I differ!

>

> See, I truly believe and advocate that we all - whether with or

> without gurus and teachers, must write a journal, sincerely --

> stating all our wishes and beefs and problems but then we should

not

> send it outside -- rather we MUST take IT in, we absorb it all

inside

> of us, deep inside during our daily meditation, the precious

quality

> time we are supposed to revel in and enjoy daily!

>

> The teacher is there within, always, even or particularly when he

or

> she does not choose to materialize and hit us on the head as an

> external being from the outside!

>

>

> When we realize that we miss or have lost something valuable that

we

> know had always been ours, we FIRST look for it inside our HOME!

>

>

> <Just now promoted to Foreman,>

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > Rishi ji

> > I really eulogise his formanship.In any way he does not relish

> acharyas.That is greatness of him

> > krishnan

> >

> > rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > Krishnanji,

> > I presume that is the modesty of Rohiniranjanji,He can view the

big

> > picture too but prefers to deal with microlevel parts of the

> > picture, which are more difficult to handle!

> > regards

> > rishi

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > > Kindly make me understand:'This big picture concept has

become

> > very popular with the politicians, professional as well as the

> > innate ones, in all countries and walks of life."

> > > some plumbing would be sufficient please

> > > krishnan

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > But you did not tell me what was cryptic or where was the

> > obscurity!

> > > Without that I am clueless as to what to fix! I don't want to

fix

> > the

> > > plumbing when the wiring is at fault!! Makes sense?

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > 20/20 fine.no more veiled in obscurity

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > Am not sure I understand why you are calling my writing

> > > > style 'cryptic'? :-)

> > > >

> > > > I do like to use analogies and metaphores at times but they

are

> > > > generally very transparent, or so I think anyway. Hardly

> > cryptic,

> > > > hidden, between the lines, etc.

> > > >

> > > > If others are also finding my writing difficult to

understand,

> I

> > > hope

> > > > they will let me know so that I can improve my clarity and

> bring

> > it

> > > > up to 20/20 ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > > > > More I read more Iam facinated with your cryptic:If only

they

> > > could

> > > > have had

> > > > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier .

> > > > > may be you are made to find ways to remain obscure from

> making

> > > > available your postings(to me).

> > > > > I prefer to call if not by the conventional ways but may

I

> > > consider

> > > > as my"role model"Infact Iam frantically searching for one

and

> to

> > my

> > > > loss everybody denies me a teacher and Guru

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > Krishnan dada,

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope you were not addressing me as 'Gurudev' but simply

> > opening

> > > > > your posting with respects to your Gurudeva -- like some

> > people

> > > > start

> > > > > their letters with God's name :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > I personally am a bit allergic to even being called

acharya

> or

> > > > > teacher as oft stated here and elsewhere. Even that label

is

> > > tossed

> > > > > out and accepted too casually these days. It has almost

> become

> > a

> > > > joke!

> > > > >

> > > > > I understand your statements which are really talking

about

> > > > the 'big

> > > > > picture' which the divine consciousness (Mahatmas, real

> Gurus,

> > > God)

> > > > > understand and the "small picture" which the lay people

like

> > me

> > > > > understand and have to work from. This big picture

concept

> has

> > > > become

> > > > > very popular with the politicians, professional as well

as

> the

> > > > innate

> > > > > ones, in all countries and walks of life. If only they

could

> > have

> > > > had

> > > > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Gurudev ji Pranam!

> > > > > > The war slated was between Dharma and Adharma.If Shri

> > Bhishma

> > > > > Pitamamah andRaja Guru Dronacharya if fighting with

Adharma

> > > being

> > > > on

> > > > > the side but mentally with Dharma.For a lay man it is

really

> > > > > difficult to grasp the resultant of actions(karma).If

kaurav

> > sena

> > > > > suffered 'coz Adhrma Yuddha and even those fought for the

> sake

> > of

> > > > > Dharma(may be through the means of Adhrma)Pandavas

including

> > the

> > > > > mentors Nara-Narayan were not spared.This lesson taught

by

> > Shri

> > > Ved

> > > > > Vyas ji has many anecdotes conveying repect to elders and

> > owing

> > > to

> > > > > Gurujans for their contribution directly or indirectly

for

> > > > promoting

> > > > > values.Now being re enacted through T.V and media for

> > marketing

> > > > > various products through sponsoring the soap opera

(?).Today's

> > > > society

> > > > > accepts Gurus through power point presentations.

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > prnams

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya asking

such

> > a

> > > > > > punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a Star

> Archer,

> > > with

> > > > > an

> > > > > > ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator of

the

> > great

> > > > > epic,

> > > > > > even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his unfairness!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma and

must

> > watch

> > > > > out,

> > > > > > regardless of their motives!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , vattem

krishnan

> > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of

EKALAVYA,that

> > > famous

> > > > > > tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor

learned

> all

> > > > > > skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such

puranic

> > > > > tales,the

> > > > > > Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the

illustrative

> > > > Acharya

> > > > > > ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya volunteered

and

> > > > > scrificed.In

> > > > > > today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find such

> simple

> > > > ardent

> > > > > > disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and determined

to

> > seek

> > > > > > knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to devote

his

> > > > > attention

> > > > > > to teach values,skills and almost donate all his

> > capabilities

> > > and

> > > > > > feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale for

> > > > propagation

> > > > > of

> > > > > > various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to

identify

> > a

> > > > > proper

> > > > > > person to teach as well as a Guru who will be selfless

and

> > > eager

> > > > to

> > > > > > share his wisdom.

> > > > > > > This is very discouraging situation that the element

> > > > > of 'sacrifice"

> > > > > > essential for propogation of knowledge is also

> conspicuously

> > > > > absent.

> > > > > > let alone acknowledgements.

> > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum

> > friends!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed

> > because

> > > I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want

to

> > be

> > > or

> > > > > > claimed

> > > > > > > to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically

> > > sustained

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this

> > > lifetime

> > > > > > > insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are

concerned!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One very significant scientist Guru taught me or

perhaps

> > > > reminded

> > > > > > me of

> > > > > > > the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the

> > strongest

> > > > human

> > > > > > memory

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for your attention!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are

> really

> > > > > siblings

> > > > > > > born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but

please do

> > not

> > > > > > respond

> > > > > > > to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

> > > > > > >

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