I have had many gurus in life! For those who might wish to read this!!

November 6, 2005

i understand sir, but how can our core nature and attitude developed change, it

really needs transitional change, flowing water sounds too good to gain

knowledge, than the ice, pls highlight me, i am not as intellecutal as u sir to

debate with u, but certainly can absorb the knowledge and insight of your

regards

vijaya

-

rohiniranjan

Sunday, November 06, 2005 4:23 PM

Re: I have had many gurus in life! For those who might wish to

read this!!

It is not willpower, dear -- on any POWER!

It is about truly realizing that while important, each atom really

does not make a difference and is entirely dispensible. Recent

medical knowledge talks about tissues and organs being completely

renewed in our bodies over 7-10 years! In 10 years your organs will

be recycled so they have completely different atoms than what they

had 10 years ago!

Even organs like brain that do not turn-over and grow or change that

much, as per conventional medical wisdom! But the atoms that make

those dormant organs do change!

Astrologers must become sensitive to that kind of turnover, that kind

of subtle change! We look at that mars in the natal radix at age 15,

age 25, age 50, age 70 and think that mars is the same, but it is not!

It is moving all the time, it is changing all the time, through

transits and through dashas and more than a few of those!

Flowing water OR ice --- Your choice!

RR

, "vijaya" <vijayamalur@t...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sir

>

> honestly i like ur mail so much, but how many of us ahve that kind

of willpower to absorb our problems and worries to ourselves and

still feel normal

> i did have the habit of writing diary and re-read it again and

again and used to find the problems becoming smaller and smaller as i

read it again and again

> but over a period of time we become so vulnerable and feel like

discussing it with friends and known people and get some kind of

relief

> pls do let me know how to control the mind and have the bliss of

life

> best regards

>

> vijaya

> -

> rohiniranjan

>

> Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:49 PM

> Re: I have had many gurus in life! For those who

might wish to read this!!

>

> Dear Friends!

>

> Your disappointment reaches me deep inside, but I think it was

mis-

> addressed!

>

> I truly believe that when something really bothers us -- we must

> always write a letter, a journal but we should not send it out to

> someone else outside of us! This is where you and I differ!

>

> See, I truly believe and advocate that we all - whether with or

> without gurus and teachers, must write a journal, sincerely --

> stating all our wishes and beefs and problems but then we should

not

> send it outside -- rather we MUST take IT in, we absorb it all

inside

> of us, deep inside during our daily meditation, the precious

quality

> time we are supposed to revel in and enjoy daily!

>

> The teacher is there within, always, even or particularly when he

or

> she does not choose to materialize and hit us on the head as an

> external being from the outside!

>

> When we realize that we miss or have lost something valuable that

we

> know had always been ours, we FIRST look for it inside our HOME!

>

> <Just now promoted to Foreman,>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > Rishi ji

> > I really eulogise his formanship.In any way he does not relish

> acharyas.That is greatness of him

> > krishnan

> >

> > rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > Krishnanji,

> > I presume that is the modesty of Rohiniranjanji,He can view the

big

> > picture too but prefers to deal with microlevel parts of the

> > picture, which are more difficult to handle!

> > regards

> > rishi

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > > Kindly make me understand:'This big picture concept has

become

> > very popular with the politicians, professional as well as the

> > innate ones, in all countries and walks of life."

> > > some plumbing would be sufficient please

> > > krishnan

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > But you did not tell me what was cryptic or where was the

> > obscurity!

> > > Without that I am clueless as to what to fix! I don't want to

fix

> > the

> > > plumbing when the wiring is at fault!! Makes sense?

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > 20/20 fine.no more veiled in obscurity

> > > >

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > Am not sure I understand why you are calling my writing

> > > > style 'cryptic'? :-)

> > > >

> > > > I do like to use analogies and metaphores at times but they

are

> > > > generally very transparent, or so I think anyway. Hardly

> > cryptic,

> > > > hidden, between the lines, etc.

> > > >

> > > > If others are also finding my writing difficult to

understand,

> I

> > > hope

> > > > they will let me know so that I can improve my clarity and

> bring

> > it

> > > > up to 20/20 ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > > > > More I read more Iam facinated with your cryptic:If only

they

> > > could

> > > > have had

> > > > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier .

> > > > > may be you are made to find ways to remain obscure from

> making

> > > > available your postings(to me).

> > > > > I prefer to call if not by the conventional ways but may

I

> > > consider

> > > > as my"role model"Infact Iam frantically searching for one

and

> to

> > my

> > > > loss everybody denies me a teacher and Guru

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > Krishnan dada,

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope you were not addressing me as 'Gurudev' but simply

> > opening

> > > > > your posting with respects to your Gurudeva -- like some

> > people

> > > > start

> > > > > their letters with God's name :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > I personally am a bit allergic to even being called

acharya

> or

> > > > > teacher as oft stated here and elsewhere. Even that label

is

> > > tossed

> > > > > out and accepted too casually these days. It has almost

> become

> > a

> > > > joke!

> > > > >

> > > > > I understand your statements which are really talking

about

> > > > the 'big

> > > > > picture' which the divine consciousness (Mahatmas, real

> Gurus,

> > > God)

> > > > > understand and the "small picture" which the lay people

like

> > me

> > > > > understand and have to work from. This big picture

concept

> has

> > > > become

> > > > > very popular with the politicians, professional as well

as

> the

> > > > innate

> > > > > ones, in all countries and walks of life. If only they

could

> > have

> > > > had

> > > > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Gurudev ji Pranam!

> > > > > > The war slated was between Dharma and Adharma.If Shri

> > Bhishma

> > > > > Pitamamah andRaja Guru Dronacharya if fighting with

Adharma

> > > being

> > > > on

> > > > > the side but mentally with Dharma.For a lay man it is

really

> > > > > difficult to grasp the resultant of actions(karma).If

kaurav

> > sena

> > > > > suffered 'coz Adhrma Yuddha and even those fought for the

> sake

> > of

> > > > > Dharma(may be through the means of Adhrma)Pandavas

including

> > the

> > > > > mentors Nara-Narayan were not spared.This lesson taught

by

> > Shri

> > > Ved

> > > > > Vyas ji has many anecdotes conveying repect to elders and

> > owing

> > > to

> > > > > Gurujans for their contribution directly or indirectly

for

> > > > promoting

> > > > > values.Now being re enacted through T.V and media for

> > marketing

> > > > > various products through sponsoring the soap opera

(?).Today's

> > > > society

> > > > > accepts Gurus through power point presentations.

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > prnams

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya asking

such

> > a

> > > > > > punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a Star

> Archer,

> > > with

> > > > > an

> > > > > > ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator of

the

> > great

> > > > > epic,

> > > > > > even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his unfairness!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma and

must

> > watch

> > > > > out,

> > > > > > regardless of their motives!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , vattem

krishnan

> > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of

EKALAVYA,that

> > > famous

> > > > > > tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor

learned

> all

> > > > > > skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such

puranic

> > > > > tales,the

> > > > > > Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the

illustrative

> > > > Acharya

> > > > > > ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya volunteered

and

> > > > > scrificed.In

> > > > > > today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find such

> simple

> > > > ardent

> > > > > > disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and determined

to

> > seek

> > > > > > knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to devote

his

> > > > > attention

> > > > > > to teach values,skills and almost donate all his

> > capabilities

> > > and

> > > > > > feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale for

> > > > propagation

> > > > > of

> > > > > > various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to

identify

> > a

> > > > > proper

> > > > > > person to teach as well as a Guru who will be selfless

and

> > > eager

> > > > to

> > > > > > share his wisdom.

> > > > > > > This is very discouraging situation that the element

> > > > > of 'sacrifice"

> > > > > > essential for propogation of knowledge is also

> conspicuously

> > > > > absent.

> > > > > > let alone acknowledgements.

> > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum

> > friends!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed

> > because

> > > I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want

to

> > be

> > > or

> > > > > > claimed

> > > > > > > to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically

> > > sustained

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this

> > > lifetime

> > > > > > > insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are

concerned!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One very significant scientist Guru taught me or

perhaps

> > > > reminded

> > > > > > me of

> > > > > > > the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the

> > strongest

> > > > human

> > > > > > memory

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for your attention!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are

> really

> > > > > siblings

> > > > > > > born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but

please do

> > not

> > > > > > respond

> > > > > > > to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

DIVINITY

> > AND

> > > > > RELISH

> > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the

> > Terms

> > > of

> > > > > > Service.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in

one

> > > click.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > > > RELISH

> > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hindu astrology

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > > > >

> Terms

> > of

> > > > > Service.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one

> > click.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > > RELISH

> > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > >

> > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > > >

Terms

> > of

> > > > Service.

> > > > >

> > > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one

> > click.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH

> > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

> > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > >

Terms of

> > > Service.

> > > >

> > > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one

click.

> > > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > > Hindu astrology

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > > Terms

of

> > Service.

> > >

> > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one

click.

> > >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> > Hindu astrology

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> >

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

> Hindu astrology

>

> --

----------

>

> a.. Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> b..

>

> c.. Terms

of Service.

>

> --

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>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE

OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

Hindu astrology

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b..

c..

November 6, 2005

Mars and jyotishis has something link with4th H and 4th to 4th also.If jyotish

are not having mars as their CPU,probably their approach to reading past present

and future will not be as expected of this knowledge science.

krishnan

may be mars is the teacher inside every one of us that brings zeal in the

subject and endures and makes us dabble with signs,bhavas and Grahas

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

Dear Rishi-ji,

Like many of the earlier posts lately, as soon as I read a message, a

post, I hit return -- even before realizing if I have anything

significant to say, or even if I understand fully what is being asked

of ... us, and not just me! This is another of those ones!

Emotions reach us before words do and with mars doing its one step

forward, two backwards and I am staying here and not moving out

readily dance it does from time to time, perhaps it is affecting

jyotishis all over the place as observant ones must not be missing I

hope!

I am convinced now that mars rules jyotishis! I shall leave it at

that! Hope you look! I will write about that someday using data of

contemporary jyotishis ...

This is a window for growth, it seems, it appears so if you are on

several jyotish lists. One can miss the whole point while looking for

astrological correlates for growth or one could simply let go and

grow!

The analysis can always come later, in fact it generally if not

always does! Growth is not that patient, though! It comes and it

simply goes!!

RR

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> Its human optimism that in this vast chaotic bouncing

> world where thoughts, ideas and deeds merge, define

> and redefine life's processes, one knows that there

> are no shortcuts, yet at times one wishes for easier

> solutions...particularly when Sa returns for another

> around of the difficult transits and that too with

> Ra/Sa antardasha, so you can ignore that wistful

> thought of mine.

> regards

> rishi

>

> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

>

> > I don't have one, nor ever tried to find one, so

> > cannot tell you Rishi

> > ji :-)

> >

> > The idea, "when student is ready, Teacher will

> > appear" appeals to me so

> > much that I have never worried about that or looked

> > or waited ...!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > ,

> > "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes sir, the learning is not dependent on the

> > teacher, but wouldnt

> > > it be fortunate if there is that teacher.....

> > >

> >

>

> Start your day with - Make it your home page!

> http://www./r/hs

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

Hindu astrology

Visit your group "" on the web.

FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

November 6, 2005

let those balarishtas and madhyayus thought over and analysed in the past,are

slowly fading out as the mortality rates are dwindling fast.Even the Y

genaration is symbolic of of these advancements.6th house on one front is able

to get vitalised but 6th 6to 6th needed an intimate re look.The kind of

metabolic activity with renewal cells vigorously sun and mars most energetic

planets and very hot in nature bestows reuired power and energy.Let's salute the

Almighty and inside Guru who always leads us and gives light

krishnan

vijaya <vijayamalur wrote:

i understand sir, but how can our core nature and attitude developed change, it

really needs transitional change, flowing water sounds too good to gain

knowledge, than the ice, pls highlight me, i am not as intellecutal as u sir to

debate with u, but certainly can absorb the knowledge and insight of your

regards

vijaya

-

rohiniranjan

Sunday, November 06, 2005 4:23 PM

Re: I have had many gurus in life! For those who might wish to

read this!!

It is not willpower, dear -- on any POWER!

It is about truly realizing that while important, each atom really

does not make a difference and is entirely dispensible. Recent

medical knowledge talks about tissues and organs being completely

renewed in our bodies over 7-10 years! In 10 years your organs will

be recycled so they have completely different atoms than what they

had 10 years ago!

Even organs like brain that do not turn-over and grow or change that

much, as per conventional medical wisdom! But the atoms that make

those dormant organs do change!

Astrologers must become sensitive to that kind of turnover, that kind

of subtle change! We look at that mars in the natal radix at age 15,

age 25, age 50, age 70 and think that mars is the same, but it is not!

It is moving all the time, it is changing all the time, through

transits and through dashas and more than a few of those!

Flowing water OR ice --- Your choice!

RR

, "vijaya" <vijayamalur@t...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sir

>

> honestly i like ur mail so much, but how many of us ahve that kind

of willpower to absorb our problems and worries to ourselves and

still feel normal

> i did have the habit of writing diary and re-read it again and

again and used to find the problems becoming smaller and smaller as i

read it again and again

> but over a period of time we become so vulnerable and feel like

discussing it with friends and known people and get some kind of

relief

> pls do let me know how to control the mind and have the bliss of

life

> best regards

>

> vijaya

> -

> rohiniranjan

>

> Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:49 PM

> Re: I have had many gurus in life! For those who

might wish to read this!!

>

> Dear Friends!

>

> Your disappointment reaches me deep inside, but I think it was

mis-

> addressed!

>

> I truly believe that when something really bothers us -- we must

> always write a letter, a journal but we should not send it out to

> someone else outside of us! This is where you and I differ!

>

> See, I truly believe and advocate that we all - whether with or

> without gurus and teachers, must write a journal, sincerely --

> stating all our wishes and beefs and problems but then we should

not

> send it outside -- rather we MUST take IT in, we absorb it all

inside

> of us, deep inside during our daily meditation, the precious

quality

> time we are supposed to revel in and enjoy daily!

>

> The teacher is there within, always, even or particularly when he

or

> she does not choose to materialize and hit us on the head as an

> external being from the outside!

>

> When we realize that we miss or have lost something valuable that

we

> know had always been ours, we FIRST look for it inside our HOME!

>

> <Just now promoted to Foreman,>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > Rishi ji

> > I really eulogise his formanship.In any way he does not relish

> acharyas.That is greatness of him

> > krishnan

> >

> > rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > Krishnanji,

> > I presume that is the modesty of Rohiniranjanji,He can view the

big

> > picture too but prefers to deal with microlevel parts of the

> > picture, which are more difficult to handle!

> > regards

> > rishi

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > > Kindly make me understand:'This big picture concept has

become

> > very popular with the politicians, professional as well as the

> > innate ones, in all countries and walks of life."

> > > some plumbing would be sufficient please

> > > krishnan

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > But you did not tell me what was cryptic or where was the

> > obscurity!

> > > Without that I am clueless as to what to fix! I don't want to

fix

> > the

> > > plumbing when the wiring is at fault!! Makes sense?

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > 20/20 fine.no more veiled in obscurity

> > > >

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > Am not sure I understand why you are calling my writing

> > > > style 'cryptic'? :-)

> > > >

> > > > I do like to use analogies and metaphores at times but they

are

> > > > generally very transparent, or so I think anyway. Hardly

> > cryptic,

> > > > hidden, between the lines, etc.

> > > >

> > > > If others are also finding my writing difficult to

understand,

> I

> > > hope

> > > > they will let me know so that I can improve my clarity and

> bring

> > it

> > > > up to 20/20 ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > > > > More I read more Iam facinated with your cryptic:If only

they

> > > could

> > > > have had

> > > > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier .

> > > > > may be you are made to find ways to remain obscure from

> making

> > > > available your postings(to me).

> > > > > I prefer to call if not by the conventional ways but may

I

> > > consider

> > > > as my"role model"Infact Iam frantically searching for one

and

> to

> > my

> > > > loss everybody denies me a teacher and Guru

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > Krishnan dada,

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope you were not addressing me as 'Gurudev' but simply

> > opening

> > > > > your posting with respects to your Gurudeva -- like some

> > people

> > > > start

> > > > > their letters with God's name :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > I personally am a bit allergic to even being called

acharya

> or

> > > > > teacher as oft stated here and elsewhere. Even that label

is

> > > tossed

> > > > > out and accepted too casually these days. It has almost

> become

> > a

> > > > joke!

> > > > >

> > > > > I understand your statements which are really talking

about

> > > > the 'big

> > > > > picture' which the divine consciousness (Mahatmas, real

> Gurus,

> > > God)

> > > > > understand and the "small picture" which the lay people

like

> > me

> > > > > understand and have to work from. This big picture

concept

> has

> > > > become

> > > > > very popular with the politicians, professional as well

as

> the

> > > > innate

> > > > > ones, in all countries and walks of life. If only they

could

> > have

> > > > had

> > > > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Gurudev ji Pranam!

> > > > > > The war slated was between Dharma and Adharma.If Shri

> > Bhishma

> > > > > Pitamamah andRaja Guru Dronacharya if fighting with

Adharma

> > > being

> > > > on

> > > > > the side but mentally with Dharma.For a lay man it is

really

> > > > > difficult to grasp the resultant of actions(karma).If

kaurav

> > sena

> > > > > suffered 'coz Adhrma Yuddha and even those fought for the

> sake

> > of

> > > > > Dharma(may be through the means of Adhrma)Pandavas

including

> > the

> > > > > mentors Nara-Narayan were not spared.This lesson taught

by

> > Shri

> > > Ved

> > > > > Vyas ji has many anecdotes conveying repect to elders and

> > owing

> > > to

> > > > > Gurujans for their contribution directly or indirectly

for

> > > > promoting

> > > > > values.Now being re enacted through T.V and media for

> > marketing

> > > > > various products through sponsoring the soap opera

(?).Today's

> > > > society

> > > > > accepts Gurus through power point presentations.

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > prnams

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya asking

such

> > a

> > > > > > punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a Star

> Archer,

> > > with

> > > > > an

> > > > > > ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator of

the

> > great

> > > > > epic,

> > > > > > even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his unfairness!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma and

must

> > watch

> > > > > out,

> > > > > > regardless of their motives!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , vattem

krishnan

> > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of

EKALAVYA,that

> > > famous

> > > > > > tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor

learned

> all

> > > > > > skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such

puranic

> > > > > tales,the

> > > > > > Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the

illustrative

> > > > Acharya

> > > > > > ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya volunteered

and

> > > > > scrificed.In

> > > > > > today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find such

> simple

> > > > ardent

> > > > > > disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and determined

to

> > seek

> > > > > > knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to devote

his

> > > > > attention

> > > > > > to teach values,skills and almost donate all his

> > capabilities

> > > and

> > > > > > feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale for

> > > > propagation

> > > > > of

> > > > > > various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to

identify

> > a

> > > > > proper

> > > > > > person to teach as well as a Guru who will be selfless

and

> > > eager

> > > > to

> > > > > > share his wisdom.

> > > > > > > This is very discouraging situation that the element

> > > > > of 'sacrifice"

> > > > > > essential for propogation of knowledge is also

> conspicuously

> > > > > absent.

> > > > > > let alone acknowledgements.

> > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear forum

> > friends!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have always thought myself as being unduly blessed

> > because

> > > I

> > > > > have

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even want

to

> > be

> > > or

> > > > > > claimed

> > > > > > > to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and magically

> > > sustained

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in this

> > > lifetime

> > > > > > > insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are

concerned!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One very significant scientist Guru taught me or

perhaps

> > > > reminded

> > > > > > me of

> > > > > > > the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the

> > strongest

> > > > human

> > > > > > memory

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for your attention!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who are

> really

> > > > > siblings

> > > > > > > born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but

please do

> > not

> > > > > > respond

> > > > > > > to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

DIVINITY

> > AND

> > > > > RELISH

> > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the

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> > > of

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> > > click.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > > > RELISH

> > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hindu astrology

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.

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> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > > RELISH

> > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

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> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > > Hindu astrology

> > >

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> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> > Hindu astrology

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > Terms of

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> >

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

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November 6, 2005

Vijaya ji,

I too am not educated and systematically trained in the art and craft

of debate, either :-)

That is good, since now we can both focus on the content of what we

are discussing and not spend energy on the format and style of how we

present what we see!

I think I will have to agree with you that learning is about a change

within and water has many advantages over ice in that area/endeavour.

The simple point I was trying to make was that while a chart is fixed

in time and space, that entity that it is describing or trying to

encapsulate is not fixed in time and space and sometimes wise

jyotishis seem to forget that reality. A chart is like that photo you

might have seen of a drop of milk captured with a 1/8000 second rapid

flash that shows that drop like a flower or perhaps like a crown as

tiny droplets fly away from the main drop. It is very real, obvious,

but how many of us can claim to have actually seen that in our all-

seeing and all-knowing lives of 20, 30, 40, 60 whatever years! Yet we

know that it exists! So does the chart and the entity it is capturing

in a cosmic moment, or trying to ...!

RR

, "vijaya" <vijayamalur@t...>

wrote:

>

> i understand sir, but how can our core nature and attitude

developed change, it really needs transitional change, flowing water

sounds too good to gain knowledge, than the ice, pls highlight me, i

am not as intellecutal as u sir to debate with u, but certainly can

absorb the knowledge and insight of your

> regards

>

> vijaya

> -

> rohiniranjan

>

> Sunday, November 06, 2005 4:23 PM

> Re: I have had many gurus in life! For those who

might wish to read this!!

>

> It is not willpower, dear -- on any POWER!

> It is about truly realizing that while important, each atom

really

> does not make a difference and is entirely dispensible. Recent

> medical knowledge talks about tissues and organs being completely

> renewed in our bodies over 7-10 years! In 10 years your organs

will

> be recycled so they have completely different atoms than what

they

> had 10 years ago!

>

> Even organs like brain that do not turn-over and grow or change

that

> much, as per conventional medical wisdom! But the atoms that make

> those dormant organs do change!

>

> Astrologers must become sensitive to that kind of turnover, that

kind

> of subtle change! We look at that mars in the natal radix at age

15,

> age 25, age 50, age 70 and think that mars is the same, but it is

not!

>

> It is moving all the time, it is changing all the time, through

> transits and through dashas and more than a few of those!

>

> Flowing water OR ice --- Your choice!

>

> RR

>

> , "vijaya"

<vijayamalur@t...>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir

> >

> > honestly i like ur mail so much, but how many of us ahve that

kind

> of willpower to absorb our problems and worries to ourselves and

> still feel normal

> > i did have the habit of writing diary and re-read it again and

> again and used to find the problems becoming smaller and smaller

as i

> read it again and again

> > but over a period of time we become so vulnerable and feel like

> discussing it with friends and known people and get some kind of

> relief

> > pls do let me know how to control the mind and have the bliss

of

> life

> > best regards

> >

> > vijaya

> > -

> > rohiniranjan

> >

> > Sunday, November 06, 2005 3:49 PM

> > Re: I have had many gurus in life! For those

who

> might wish to read this!!

> >

> > Dear Friends!

> >

> > Your disappointment reaches me deep inside, but I think it

was

> mis-

> > addressed!

> >

> > I truly believe that when something really bothers us -- we

must

> > always write a letter, a journal but we should not send it

out to

> > someone else outside of us! This is where you and I differ!

> >

> > See, I truly believe and advocate that we all - whether with

or

> > without gurus and teachers, must write a journal, sincerely --

> > stating all our wishes and beefs and problems but then we

should

> not

> > send it outside -- rather we MUST take IT in, we absorb it

all

> inside

> > of us, deep inside during our daily meditation, the precious

> quality

> > time we are supposed to revel in and enjoy daily!

> >

> > The teacher is there within, always, even or particularly

when he

> or

> > she does not choose to materialize and hit us on the head as

an

> > external being from the outside!

> >

> > When we realize that we miss or have lost something valuable

that

> we

> > know had always been ours, we FIRST look for it inside our

HOME!

> >

> > <Just now promoted to Foreman,>

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > Rishi ji

> > > I really eulogise his formanship.In any way he does not

relish

> > acharyas.That is greatness of him

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > > Krishnanji,

> > > I presume that is the modesty of Rohiniranjanji,He can view

the

> big

> > > picture too but prefers to deal with microlevel parts of

the

> > > picture, which are more difficult to handle!

> > > regards

> > > rishi

> > > , vattem krishnan

> > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > > > Kindly make me understand:'This big picture concept has

> become

> > > very popular with the politicians, professional as well as

the

> > > innate ones, in all countries and walks of life."

> > > > some plumbing would be sufficient please

> > > > krishnan

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > But you did not tell me what was cryptic or where was the

> > > obscurity!

> > > > Without that I am clueless as to what to fix! I don't

want to

> fix

> > > the

> > > > plumbing when the wiring is at fault!! Makes sense?

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > 20/20 fine.no more veiled in obscurity

> > > > >

> > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > Am not sure I understand why you are calling my writing

> > > > > style 'cryptic'? :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > I do like to use analogies and metaphores at times but

they

> are

> > > > > generally very transparent, or so I think anyway.

Hardly

> > > cryptic,

> > > > > hidden, between the lines, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > If others are also finding my writing difficult to

> understand,

> > I

> > > > hope

> > > > > they will let me know so that I can improve my clarity

and

> > bring

> > > it

> > > > > up to 20/20 ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , vattem

krishnan

> > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shri Rohini ji,

> > > > > > More I read more Iam facinated with your cryptic:If

only

> they

> > > > could

> > > > > have had

> > > > > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier .

> > > > > > may be you are made to find ways to remain obscure

from

> > making

> > > > > available your postings(to me).

> > > > > > I prefer to call if not by the conventional ways but

may

> I

> > > > consider

> > > > > as my"role model"Infact Iam frantically searching for

one

> and

> > to

> > > my

> > > > > loss everybody denies me a teacher and Guru

> > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > Krishnan dada,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope you were not addressing me as 'Gurudev' but

simply

> > > opening

> > > > > > your posting with respects to your Gurudeva -- like

some

> > > people

> > > > > start

> > > > > > their letters with God's name :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I personally am a bit allergic to even being called

> acharya

> > or

> > > > > > teacher as oft stated here and elsewhere. Even that

label

> is

> > > > tossed

> > > > > > out and accepted too casually these days. It has

almost

> > become

> > > a

> > > > > joke!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I understand your statements which are really talking

> about

> > > > > the 'big

> > > > > > picture' which the divine consciousness (Mahatmas,

real

> > Gurus,

> > > > God)

> > > > > > understand and the "small picture" which the lay

people

> like

> > > me

> > > > > > understand and have to work from. This big picture

> concept

> > has

> > > > > become

> > > > > > very popular with the politicians, professional as

well

> as

> > the

> > > > > innate

> > > > > > ones, in all countries and walks of life. If only

they

> could

> > > have

> > > > > had

> > > > > > laser surgery to correct their astigmatism earlier :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > > , vattem

krishnan

> > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Gurudev ji Pranam!

> > > > > > > The war slated was between Dharma and Adharma.If

Shri

> > > Bhishma

> > > > > > Pitamamah andRaja Guru Dronacharya if fighting with

> Adharma

> > > > being

> > > > > on

> > > > > > the side but mentally with Dharma.For a lay man it is

> really

> > > > > > difficult to grasp the resultant of actions(karma).If

> kaurav

> > > sena

> > > > > > suffered 'coz Adhrma Yuddha and even those fought for

the

> > sake

> > > of

> > > > > > Dharma(may be through the means of Adhrma)Pandavas

> including

> > > the

> > > > > > mentors Nara-Narayan were not spared.This lesson

taught

> by

> > > Shri

> > > > Ved

> > > > > > Vyas ji has many anecdotes conveying repect to elders

and

> > > owing

> > > > to

> > > > > > Gurujans for their contribution directly or

indirectly

> for

> > > > > promoting

> > > > > > values.Now being re enacted through T.V and media for

> > > marketing

> > > > > > various products through sponsoring the soap opera

> (?).Today's

> > > > > society

> > > > > > accepts Gurus through power point presentations.

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > prnams

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > And if I remember correctly, wasn't Dronacharya

asking

> such

> > > a

> > > > > > > punitive dakshina as taking away the thumb of a

Star

> > Archer,

> > > > with

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > ulterior motive? But to the credit of the Creator

of

> the

> > > great

> > > > > > epic,

> > > > > > > even Dronacharya paid a karmic price for his

unfairness!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even Mahagurus are not beyond the Rules of Karma

and

> must

> > > watch

> > > > > > out,

> > > > > > > regardless of their motives!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , vattem

> krishnan

> > > > > > > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When Dronacharya refused to be the Guru of

> EKALAVYA,that

> > > > famous

> > > > > > > tribal has adopted him as his teacher and mentor

> learned

> > all

> > > > > > > skills.what ever may the intent underlined in such

> puranic

> > > > > > tales,the

> > > > > > > Gur dakshina(seemed to heve been sought by the

> illustrative

> > > > > Acharya

> > > > > > > ji) was very very expensive.Yet Ekalavya

volunteered

> and

> > > > > > scrificed.In

> > > > > > > today's world of jyotish it is difficult to find

such

> > simple

> > > > > ardent

> > > > > > > disciples(sishyas) of persuasive nature and

determined

> to

> > > seek

> > > > > > > knowledge .Also Guru ji's who will be willing to

devote

> his

> > > > > > attention

> > > > > > > to teach values,skills and almost donate all his

> > > capabilities

> > > > and

> > > > > > > feel satisfied that he has kept up the high morale

for

> > > > > propagation

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > various Vidyas(knowledge).it is as important as to

> identify

> > > a

> > > > > > proper

> > > > > > > person to teach as well as a Guru who will be

selfless

> and

> > > > eager

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > share his wisdom.

> > > > > > > > This is very discouraging situation that the

element

> > > > > > of 'sacrifice"

> > > > > > > essential for propogation of knowledge is also

> > conspicuously

> > > > > > absent.

> > > > > > > let alone acknowledgements.

> > > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Sorry for this somewhat cryptic message, dear

forum

> > > friends!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have always thought myself as being unduly

blessed

> > > because

> > > > I

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > so many flesh and blood Gurus (many did not even

want

> to

> > > be

> > > > or

> > > > > > > claimed

> > > > > > > > to)in day-to-day life that they somehow and

magically

> > > > sustained

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > nearly total absence of flesh and blood Gurus in

this

> > > > lifetime

> > > > > > > > insofaras Jyotish Gurus and even Acharyaas are

> concerned!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One very significant scientist Guru taught me or

> perhaps

> > > > > reminded

> > > > > > > me of

> > > > > > > > the two following tenets which I absolutely adore:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > a) The faintest trace of ink is stronger than the

> > > strongest

> > > > > human

> > > > > > > memory

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > b) Discretion often is the better part of valour!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks for your attention!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > PS: PLEASE indulge me siblings (and friends who

are

> > really

> > > > > > siblings

> > > > > > > > born to other mothers as they say!) READ it but

> please do

> > > not

> > > > > > > respond

> > > > > > > > to this sharing, just for the heck of it!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> DIVINITY

> > > AND

> > > > > > RELISH

> > > > > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the

web.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > To from this group, send an email

to:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the

>

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November 6, 2005

I agree, sir, that more than anything else jyotisha teaches us to understand the

power of time, the moment has passed, the moment is here..each one so very

different.

But therein lies the basic question...does everything change or is there

something unchanging...a very loaded query.......and as you pointed out earlier

the answer lies within, yet we all wait, sometimes eagerly, sometimes

apathetically for that bit of divine surgery!

rishi

November 7, 2005

I have always treated jyotish as a window into the seeming chaos that

we call the Universe, its phenomena and rule-structure. I have never

been able to convince myself that fate is a black and white or rigid

construct -- the rigidity of fate is directly related to the level

from which the universe is viewed. This is a personal choice and often

the circumstances that surround and affect us colour our perspective.

This too changes over time as we experience different things in life

and so on. It is not easy -- in fact to be nearly impossible for most

of us worldly individuals to be able to assume a detached 'witness'

role -- something that sages and hermits can readily assume. Sometimes

for the rest of us, it can be like trying to figure out how the roller

coaster works while we are riding in one!

The track is not changing, but the wheels of the roller coaster car we

are in are perhaps not touching the tracks the same way throughout the

ride! Does this make sense?

RR

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> I agree, sir, that more than anything else jyotisha teaches us to

understand the power of time, the moment has passed, the moment is

here..each one so very different.

> But therein lies the basic question...does everything change or is

there something unchanging...a very loaded query.......and as you

pointed out earlier the answer lies within, yet we all wait, sometimes

eagerly, sometimes apathetically for that bit of divine surgery!

> rishi

>

November 7, 2005

It does, also brings a sense of deja vu.

The cognitive senses.....emphasising that this is what

is real. As a poet had said......

alfaaz ab bemani ho gaye

kuch ahsas ki baatein ho jayen

--- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> I have always treated jyotish as a window into the

> seeming chaos that

> we call the Universe, its phenomena and

> rule-structure. I have never

> been able to convince myself that fate is a black

> and white or rigid

> construct -- the rigidity of fate is directly

> related to the level

> from which the universe is viewed. This is a

> personal choice and often

> the circumstances that surround and affect us colour

> our perspective.

> This too changes over time as we experience

> different things in life

> and so on. It is not easy -- in fact to be nearly

> impossible for most

> of us worldly individuals to be able to assume a

> detached 'witness'

> role -- something that sages and hermits can readily

> assume. Sometimes

> for the rest of us, it can be like trying to figure

> out how the roller

> coaster works while we are riding in one!

>

> The track is not changing, but the wheels of the

> roller coaster car we

> are in are perhaps not touching the tracks the same

> way throughout the

> ride! Does this make sense?

>

> RR

>

> ,

> "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> >

> > I agree, sir, that more than anything else

> jyotisha teaches us to

> understand the power of time, the moment has passed,

> the moment is

> here..each one so very different.

> > But therein lies the basic question...does

> everything change or is

> there something unchanging...a very loaded

> query.......and as you

> pointed out earlier the answer lies within, yet we

> all wait, sometimes

> eagerly, sometimes apathetically for that bit of

> divine surgery!

> > rishi

> >

>

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Where intellect is concerned, dear friend, alfaaz (alpha to Z) holds

supremacy as we see often when classics (A-Z) are taken too literally

and overinterpreted by some and the wrestling begins!

And yet we know the power of Ehsaas when it is described in alfaaz,

yet capable of going beyond intellect and reaching the soul, the

heart which can instantaneously bring into our experiential reality

that gestalt that poetry alone, and only sometimes can bring --

particularly when the Ehsaas is shared, has been experienced before!

Memories of emotions, or even more so of ehsaas (experiencing the

insight) -- sometimes Ehsaas that lingers on through several

lifetimes, even though alfaaz have changed -- even the original ones

often forgotten -- but ehsaas lives on. Hopefully I am not waxing too

poetical, Rishi ji, or cryptic, Krishnanji in case you are reading!

RR

, rishi shukla

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> It does, also brings a sense of deja vu.

> The cognitive senses.....emphasising that this is what

> is real. As a poet had said......

> alfaaz ab bemani ho gaye

> kuch ahsas ki baatein ho jayen

>

> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

>

> > I have always treated jyotish as a window into the

> > seeming chaos that

> > we call the Universe, its phenomena and

> > rule-structure. I have never

> > been able to convince myself that fate is a black

> > and white or rigid

> > construct -- the rigidity of fate is directly

> > related to the level

> > from which the universe is viewed. This is a

> > personal choice and often

> > the circumstances that surround and affect us colour

> > our perspective.

> > This too changes over time as we experience

> > different things in life

> > and so on. It is not easy -- in fact to be nearly

> > impossible for most

> > of us worldly individuals to be able to assume a

> > detached 'witness'

> > role -- something that sages and hermits can readily

> > assume. Sometimes

> > for the rest of us, it can be like trying to figure

> > out how the roller

> > coaster works while we are riding in one!

> >

> > The track is not changing, but the wheels of the

> > roller coaster car we

> > are in are perhaps not touching the tracks the same

> > way throughout the

> > ride! Does this make sense?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > ,

> > "rishi_2000in"

> > <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> > >

> > > I agree, sir, that more than anything else

> > jyotisha teaches us to

> > understand the power of time, the moment has passed,

> > the moment is

> > here..each one so very different.

> > > But therein lies the basic question...does

> > everything change or is

> > there something unchanging...a very loaded

> > query.......and as you

> > pointed out earlier the answer lies within, yet we

> > all wait, sometimes

> > eagerly, sometimes apathetically for that bit of

> > divine surgery!

> > > rishi

> > >

> >

>

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November 7, 2005

Thankyou sir for this response and ..since your poetry flows almost

unconsciously..the ehsaas...merging with the elan of your alfaaz, you

could never be 'too' poetic. I suppose, this not being a poetry forum

I should stop there.

For those friends of ours who have not read your poetry, let me

suggest that if they have any poetic leanings, they should read some

of your poems on the net.

Aptly put, RRji those words, thankyou once again

regards

rishi

November 7, 2005

Rishiji,

Astrology *is* the poetry of the soul.

Ehsaas (human experience) symbolized in the alfaaz of the planetary

alphabet!

What better way to have the best of both worlds -- as if they ever were

really worlds apart as some continue to insist!

RR

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> Thankyou sir for this response and ..since your poetry flows almost

> unconsciously..the ehsaas...merging with the elan of your alfaaz, you

> could never be 'too' poetic. I suppose, this not being a poetry forum

> I should stop there.

> For those friends of ours who have not read your poetry, let me

> suggest that if they have any poetic leanings, they should read some

> of your poems on the net.

> Aptly put, RRji those words, thankyou once again

> regards

> rishi

>

November 8, 2005

Dear Rohini Ji,

I have gone throguh may of your nice postings in this as well as

other groups-

with humility,

satirical expressions -

blending of personal experiences, pains and agonies and bright

sparkles of wisdom with a sense of pircing detachment.

It could be due to the enourmous strengh of the

8th house/Scorpio and/or Mercury factors influencing the

expressions. (by the way I do not have your birth details).

But sometimes novice and beginners like us

expect a few simple and straight forward

illuminating lines of your wisdom-

to clear the haze.

Wishing happiness and prosperity,

Mandakini

November 8, 2005

Dear Friends,

Problems for most astrologers(in both ways) is the 8th house which is the root

cause.If 9th is meant for GURU,it is the 8th which can be of dismal hope for

Guru.Even today the most famous acclaimed Astrologer and known to have attined

the heights of Father of Astrology has similar issues.They do not accept

themselves to be considered as Gurus nor do they volunteer to convey(with pride)

as so and so as Guru in their life.

is it not in any is the issue related to Deva Guru and every known Astrologer

acclaimed him as most benific but when it comes to their state,they are denied

of real Guru in life.Since lot of things have been pondered over the issue no

consensus emerged about this issue

krishnan

preventina <preventina wrote:

Dear Rohini Ji,

I have gone throguh may of your nice postings in this as well as

other groups-

with humility,

satirical expressions -

blending of personal experiences, pains and agonies and bright

sparkles of wisdom with a sense of pircing detachment.

It could be due to the enourmous strengh of the

8th house/Scorpio and/or Mercury factors influencing the

expressions. (by the way I do not have your birth details).

But sometimes novice and beginners like us

expect a few simple and straight forward

illuminating lines of your wisdom-

to clear the haze.

Wishing happiness and prosperity,

Mandakini

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

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November 8, 2005

That is how many people antogonise the subject of Astrology and realte to the

stage of Symbols and as symbolic.In the process of our dwelling on the subjects

most of us get inspired and influenced only to find that we are more in the

poetic world than in the core subject of Astrology.

The use of cuts and pastes can help to give directions and give specifics than

to slip into several other issues.readers like me and others would like to be

the near to the subject matter.we ofcourse accept and enjoy with the group all

kinds of potrayal of the subject matter.The only difficult choice is to be a

silent spectator.

Krishnan

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

Rishiji,

Astrology *is* the poetry of the soul.

Ehsaas (human experience) symbolized in the alfaaz of the planetary

alphabet!

What better way to have the best of both worlds -- as if they ever were

really worlds apart as some continue to insist!

RR

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in> wrote:

>

> Thankyou sir for this response and ..since your poetry flows almost

> unconsciously..the ehsaas...merging with the elan of your alfaaz, you

> could never be 'too' poetic. I suppose, this not being a poetry forum

> I should stop there.

> For those friends of ours who have not read your poetry, let me

> suggest that if they have any poetic leanings, they should read some

> of your poems on the net.

> Aptly put, RRji those words, thankyou once again

> regards

> rishi

>

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ABSOLUTE BLISS.

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It is not clear to me if you like <cut and paste> or not! :-)

In a forum of this huge size one thing that will not be in short

supply is 'variety'! Something for everyone! Even silence is in

abundance. Even though forum has thousands of members, only fifty (the

same fifty) or so speak! Yet so much variety. God is great!!

RR

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> That is how many people antogonise the subject of Astrology and

realte to the stage of Symbols and as symbolic.In the process of our

dwelling on the subjects most of us get inspired and influenced only

to find that we are more in the poetic world than in the core subject

of Astrology.

> The use of cuts and pastes can help to give directions and give

specifics than to slip into several other issues.readers like me and

others would like to be the near to the subject matter.we ofcourse

accept and enjoy with the group all kinds of potrayal of the subject

matter.The only difficult choice is to be a silent spectator.

> Krishnan

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Rishiji,

>

> Astrology *is* the poetry of the soul.

>

> Ehsaas (human experience) symbolized in the alfaaz of the planetary

> alphabet!

>

> What better way to have the best of both worlds -- as if they ever were

> really worlds apart as some continue to insist!

>

> RR

>

> , "rishi_2000in"

> <rishi_2000in> wrote:

> >

> > Thankyou sir for this response and ..since your poetry flows almost

> > unconsciously..the ehsaas...merging with the elan of your alfaaz, you

> > could never be 'too' poetic. I suppose, this not being a poetry forum

> > I should stop there.

> > For those friends of ours who have not read your poetry, let me

> > suggest that if they have any poetic leanings, they should read some

> > of your poems on the net.

> > Aptly put, RRji those words, thankyou once again

> > regards

> > rishi

> >

>

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Mandakini ji,

Thanks for ego-boosting, morale building and rewarding thoughts :-)

I personally think that for novices, internet forums are a dangerous

place to learn astrology in. These very fora are wonderful for the

intermediate student and more advanced ones.

Immersion is the best way, they say, in order to learn a language, so

one may argue that immersion into the thick and thin of jyotish on a

forum like this one where all kinds and levels of jyotishis mingle

and share the soap box from time to time (with some like me needing

to be pushed off the soap box from time to time by elders and well-

wishers ;-) -- however, it is like throwing a small infant into a toy

shop with toys for all ages of children. There are small pieces on

which the infant can choke on, there are mechanical toys that can

hurt the child and there is all the overstimulation that may not be

good for the growth of the neo-jyotishi. One sees on display complex

techniques, many techniques, finer points which one need to grow into

and cannot just pick up and begin to play efficiently. Hence, it is a

fun place but dangerous at the same time. The danger is not in

someone learning wrong things! That cannot happen because if you

learn something wrong and apply it sincerely, soon horoscopes and

failed readings will bring you back on the right track. No, the

danger lies in becoming confused and seemingly disillusioned and then

is born the unbalanced sceptic, the misled messiha who knows enough

to talk the lingo but uses it venomously against astrology, wrongly.

That simply slows down the progress of astrology and other

astrologers and like an infectious disease wipes out enthusiasm,

optimism and the light out of other souls.

I learned astrology in very slow times, when we did not even have

calculators in India. Even though I got good at using those, tables

of ascendants, ephemeris and tables of proportional logarithms were

infinitely slower than software. There was time to absorb each

lesson, chart by chart. Due to my circumstances, I had to find time

to learn astrology, so whatever window opened was quality time. The

need for memorizing and carrying in my head the charts was helpful

too because it allowed me to focus on the chart anytime I wanted,

even if for a few minutes, or even as I drifted off to sleep. Now,

opportunties abound, one can spin hundreds of charts in a blink of

the eye, there are powerful databases with search engines and so on.

I really wish for the new jyotishis that they could regain the

opportunity to know the charts, this is one area where familiarity

breeds content (and contentment)!

RR

, "preventina"

<preventina> wrote:

>

> ...

> But sometimes novice and beginners like us

> expect a few simple and straight forward

> illuminating lines of your wisdom-

> to clear the haze.

>

> Wishing happiness and prosperity,

>

> Mandakini

>

November 8, 2005

Sir,

Neo Astrologers in a way also help for some people to brush their racks and get

back into some aspects of jyotish like recently we had "kemadruma Yoga"etc

But then out of the 5ks of members,the silent members really prefer back seat to

watch and find progress of Astrology is pathetic.may be as you said in a big toy

shop of a child is thrown he has lots of dilemmas.The worrysome part is of those

5 decades of members who are able to keep administering antibiotics to keep away

"infectious disease' so that enthusiasm, optimism and the light out of other

souls" is not wiped out.

I feel this job who ever is inspired to do has some home work to do with charts

and come out with some thing on their own to put before the forum.

This aspect of home work,may be some kind of honesty and enthu to promote the

subject is needed.

I agree that compared to the past times ,the technology has made predictivity

and futurology where simple and also dawn of "Global Astrology Village" has all

kinds of good and bad where use of charts gets minimised and only faiths become

base to unravel mysteries of planets.members also have evinced interest in vedic

Numerology and yet others through some methods of "controlling the divinity and

able to generate powers to give advices and suggest remedies.The vastness of

ideas added to the styles of puttingforth views some times really make the

combined effort of group very interesting but certainly helping the members

indirectly to endure and look to future for very important issues that need to

be addressed.but then these issues also originate out of personal incidents be

it determination of gender of the progeny or multiple issues of children and

frustations caused by the house of associations,partnerships and spouse etc and

their karakas.

Infact sevral questions relating to jut pacify curiosity come out with issues

like KSY and KAY and Kendradhipaty dosha etc.problem continues to be the brevity

of the issues and the opportunities denied by way not disclosing DoB,POB and TOB

datas but just come out with some palneatry positions and self interpretations

of their own or related charts.

may be senior counsels of the group by showing their maturity when interact the

benifit certainly goes to neojyotishis.But umportance of home need not be

repeated and emphasised.ultimately this forum's future in my personal view is

very vast and has to help the subject Astrology as it is capable of giving

guidance on various issues and karmas of present ,past and future.