what is vashikaran? Another angle!! A DIVERSION shall we say?

November 12, 2005

Dear Krishnan Dada and other fellow-forum members,

Please understand I do not mean to lighten the environment by taking

attention away from Tantrik vashikaran and its many manifestations

and variations as described and elaborated under Kamakhya Tantram ---

But how about the vashikaran that some charismatic personae have

demonstrated in this world, without tantra, mantra etc that is

generally associated with this phenomenon. Before you good folks ask,

I will give examples, some good, others really evil, but you be the

judge!

Gandhi

Hitler

Rajneesh/Osho

Beetles

Elvis

Martin L. King

Mandela

Some may wish to include Yogananda, Vivekananda, Mahesh Yogi but let

us focus ont he first six in this list.

I am sure those, particularly those that did not see these as special

or even Karishmatic would readily agree that there was nothing

special about them (NOT MY PERSONAL VIEW, before you raise and aim

your cyber bazookas this way, kids!) but without tantrik vashikaran

they moved masses, more than most pahunchey baba nobody knows them

tantriks can move, truth be told!

Charts and astrological horoscopes are available for all of these

individuals, readily. What is there in their charts that allowed them

to demonstrably and documentedly do without any 'tak-tuk' (magic)

what they did and how they changed the history of mankind and the

CULTURE of man and woman and children and everything in between those

in massive phenomena that any vashikaran pales in front of.

Do you agree?

rohiniranjan

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> There are many types of vasikaran.it is like hypnotising a

person.the person almost a vegetative structures and ready obey the

master when orders were given.what he sees externally is different

from what he perceives.sometimes the motor actor activity of the

nerves and muscles can be arrested.There are many ways in which

vasikiran is can be performed:By:Tantras as well as mantras

> This altogether a different kind of sastra and in ancient times,the

application in the past used to be resorted mosly by kings

> krishnan

>

> Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Vashikaran is the process through which one attracts

> the other person towards himself. It is generally

> done by performing some rituals (mostly black magic)

> or by using hypnotism.

>

> I don't know what types of vashikaran are you talking

> about (I don't know types of vashikaran), but

> generally, it is either down on an individual or on a

> group (for short duration).

>

> Regards,

>

> Neeraj

>

> --- vashikaran1234 <vashikaran1234> wrote:

>

> > plz tell me what is vashikaran and its various

> > forms...

> >

>

> http://www.neerajgupta.com

>

> FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> http://farechase.

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

November 12, 2005

Dear Mentor,

If Iam permitted to add I would also include in the list Swamy Ramdev,which in

the present decade he is the moving spirit exhorting importance of Yoga.he is

able to take all people with him and convince the self cure of dreaded diseses

through Pranayama and Aurvedic approach.I have seen all over the country he

emphasises and impresses people to own yoga and practice pranayama.

Coming bach to all such great personalities including Mother Teressa,there is

something extra ordinary be it Astrological influences or their own internal

capabilities acquired through sadhana,they are those unbelievably great spirits

who could have mass follow up without seeking any personal benifits:

They have sacrificed their lives for the benifit of mankind

They have ensured importance of serving the people

They have identified the root cause of the ideals of all people

For them to reach out to people is to reach out to God

Last but not least is the worship God through Mankind

In no uncertain terms their Astro Charts totally different.Their Saturn always

given them a great measure of reaching out to people.Mercury in their charts was

always able to pu their intellect before every other need

Their Mars never troubled them and they needed it to have the drive.

Their Jupiter has taught them different approach and discipline.

Finally they all owe to the Sun for the name and fame

The moon to has done the great achievement of blessing their mothers with such a

noble minds

krishnan

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

Dear Krishnan Dada and other fellow-forum members,

Please understand I do not mean to lighten the environment by taking

attention away from Tantrik vashikaran and its many manifestations

and variations as described and elaborated under Kamakhya Tantram ---

But how about the vashikaran that some charismatic personae have

demonstrated in this world, without tantra, mantra etc that is

generally associated with this phenomenon. Before you good folks ask,

I will give examples, some good, others really evil, but you be the

judge!

Gandhi

Hitler

Rajneesh/Osho

Beetles

Elvis

Martin L. King

Mandela

Some may wish to include Yogananda, Vivekananda, Mahesh Yogi but let

us focus ont he first six in this list.

I am sure those, particularly those that did not see these as special

or even Karishmatic would readily agree that there was nothing

special about them (NOT MY PERSONAL VIEW, before you raise and aim

your cyber bazookas this way, kids!) but without tantrik vashikaran

they moved masses, more than most pahunchey baba nobody knows them

tantriks can move, truth be told!

Charts and astrological horoscopes are available for all of these

individuals, readily. What is there in their charts that allowed them

to demonstrably and documentedly do without any 'tak-tuk' (magic)

what they did and how they changed the history of mankind and the

CULTURE of man and woman and children and everything in between those

in massive phenomena that any vashikaran pales in front of.

Do you agree?

rohiniranjan

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> There are many types of vasikaran.it is like hypnotising a

person.the person almost a vegetative structures and ready obey the

master when orders were given.what he sees externally is different

from what he perceives.sometimes the motor actor activity of the

nerves and muscles can be arrested.There are many ways in which

vasikiran is can be performed:By:Tantras as well as mantras

> This altogether a different kind of sastra and in ancient times,the

application in the past used to be resorted mosly by kings

> krishnan

>

> Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Vashikaran is the process through which one attracts

> the other person towards himself. It is generally

> done by performing some rituals (mostly black magic)

> or by using hypnotism.

>

> I don't know what types of vashikaran are you talking

> about (I don't know types of vashikaran), but

> generally, it is either down on an individual or on a

> group (for short duration).

>

> Regards,

>

> Neeraj

>

> --- vashikaran1234 <vashikaran1234> wrote:

>

> > plz tell me what is vashikaran and its various

> > forms...

> >

>

> http://www.neerajgupta.com

>

> FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> http://farechase.

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

Visit your group "" on the web.

FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

November 12, 2005

Hehe, when you wrote Mentor, I hope you did not mean TORMentor as

many have tried to portray me as or see that side of me, here and

there!!

Thanks for your addition to the thread and I hope you noted the

correction in the spelling of the 'main course' in the header? It was

beginning to bother me ;-)

In fact I was planning to add Madona too (the italian one) and a few

other individuals but I rather not give clues to my age!

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> Dear Mentor,

> If Iam permitted to add I would also include in the list Swamy

Ramdev,which in the present decade he is the moving spirit exhorting

importance of Yoga.he is able to take all people with him and

convince the self cure of dreaded diseses through Pranayama and

Aurvedic approach.I have seen all over the country he emphasises and

impresses people to own yoga and practice pranayama.

> Coming bach to all such great personalities including Mother

Teressa,there is something extra ordinary be it Astrological

influences or their own internal capabilities acquired through

sadhana,they are those unbelievably great spirits who could have mass

follow up without seeking any personal benifits:

> They have sacrificed their lives for the benifit of mankind

> They have ensured importance of serving the people

> They have identified the root cause of the ideals of all people

> For them to reach out to people is to reach out to God

> Last but not least is the worship God through Mankind

> In no uncertain terms their Astro Charts totally different.Their

Saturn always given them a great measure of reaching out to

people.Mercury in their charts was always able to pu their intellect

before every other need

> Their Mars never troubled them and they needed it to have the drive.

> Their Jupiter has taught them different approach and discipline.

> Finally they all owe to the Sun for the name and fame

> The moon to has done the great achievement of blessing their

mothers with such a noble minds

> krishnan

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Dear Krishnan Dada and other fellow-forum members,

>

> Please understand I do not mean to lighten the environment by

taking

> attention away from Tantrik vashikaran and its many manifestations

> and variations as described and elaborated under Kamakhya Tantram --

-

>

> But how about the vashikaran that some charismatic personae have

> demonstrated in this world, without tantra, mantra etc that is

> generally associated with this phenomenon. Before you good folks

ask,

> I will give examples, some good, others really evil, but you be the

> judge!

>

> Gandhi

> Hitler

> Rajneesh/Osho

> Beetles

> Elvis

> Martin L. King

> Mandela

>

> Some may wish to include Yogananda, Vivekananda, Mahesh Yogi but

let

> us focus ont he first six in this list.

>

> I am sure those, particularly those that did not see these as

special

> or even Karishmatic would readily agree that there was nothing

> special about them (NOT MY PERSONAL VIEW, before you raise and aim

> your cyber bazookas this way, kids!) but without tantrik vashikaran

> they moved masses, more than most pahunchey baba nobody knows them

> tantriks can move, truth be told!

>

> Charts and astrological horoscopes are available for all of these

> individuals, readily. What is there in their charts that allowed

them

> to demonstrably and documentedly do without any 'tak-tuk' (magic)

> what they did and how they changed the history of mankind and the

> CULTURE of man and woman and children and everything in between

those

> in massive phenomena that any vashikaran pales in front of.

>

> Do you agree?

>

> rohiniranjan

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > There are many types of vasikaran.it is like hypnotising a

> person.the person almost a vegetative structures and ready obey the

> master when orders were given.what he sees externally is different

> from what he perceives.sometimes the motor actor activity of the

> nerves and muscles can be arrested.There are many ways in which

> vasikiran is can be performed:By:Tantras as well as mantras

> > This altogether a different kind of sastra and in ancient

times,the

> application in the past used to be resorted mosly by kings

> > krishnan

> >

> > Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote:

> > Hi,

> >

> > Vashikaran is the process through which one attracts

> > the other person towards himself. It is generally

> > done by performing some rituals (mostly black magic)

> > or by using hypnotism.

> >

> > I don't know what types of vashikaran are you talking

> > about (I don't know types of vashikaran), but

> > generally, it is either down on an individual or on a

> > group (for short duration).

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Neeraj

> >

> > --- vashikaran1234 <vashikaran1234> wrote:

> >

> > > plz tell me what is vashikaran and its various

> > > forms...

> > >

> >

> > http://www.neerajgupta.com

> >

> > FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> > http://farechase.

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> >

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

November 12, 2005

Dear Sir,(a mentor a torsteel made)

Not necesaary as the venus raising in my in ketu nakshtra of mola and the

ascendant in poorvashdha ruled by venus can indicate how old is madonna?

The sun is older than venus,dear sir

with mercury ruler of 7th and 10th in 12th in mars sign(a watery sign) in

Anuradha nakshtra of saturn.These indications are enough between two dadas?

regards

krishnan

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

Hehe, when you wrote Mentor, I hope you did not mean TORMentor as

many have tried to portray me as or see that side of me, here and

there!!

Thanks for your addition to the thread and I hope you noted the

correction in the spelling of the 'main course' in the header? It was

beginning to bother me ;-)

In fact I was planning to add Madona too (the italian one) and a few

other individuals but I rather not give clues to my age!

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> Dear Mentor,

> If Iam permitted to add I would also include in the list Swamy

Ramdev,which in the present decade he is the moving spirit exhorting

importance of Yoga.he is able to take all people with him and

convince the self cure of dreaded diseses through Pranayama and

Aurvedic approach.I have seen all over the country he emphasises and

impresses people to own yoga and practice pranayama.

> Coming bach to all such great personalities including Mother

Teressa,there is something extra ordinary be it Astrological

influences or their own internal capabilities acquired through

sadhana,they are those unbelievably great spirits who could have mass

follow up without seeking any personal benifits:

> They have sacrificed their lives for the benifit of mankind

> They have ensured importance of serving the people

> They have identified the root cause of the ideals of all people

> For them to reach out to people is to reach out to God

> Last but not least is the worship God through Mankind

> In no uncertain terms their Astro Charts totally different.Their

Saturn always given them a great measure of reaching out to

people.Mercury in their charts was always able to pu their intellect

before every other need

> Their Mars never troubled them and they needed it to have the drive.

> Their Jupiter has taught them different approach and discipline.

> Finally they all owe to the Sun for the name and fame

> The moon to has done the great achievement of blessing their

mothers with such a noble minds

> krishnan

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Dear Krishnan Dada and other fellow-forum members,

>

> Please understand I do not mean to lighten the environment by

taking

> attention away from Tantrik vashikaran and its many manifestations

> and variations as described and elaborated under Kamakhya Tantram --

-

>

> But how about the vashikaran that some charismatic personae have

> demonstrated in this world, without tantra, mantra etc that is

> generally associated with this phenomenon. Before you good folks

ask,

> I will give examples, some good, others really evil, but you be the

> judge!

>

> Gandhi

> Hitler

> Rajneesh/Osho

> Beetles

> Elvis

> Martin L. King

> Mandela

>

> Some may wish to include Yogananda, Vivekananda, Mahesh Yogi but

let

> us focus ont he first six in this list.

>

> I am sure those, particularly those that did not see these as

special

> or even Karishmatic would readily agree that there was nothing

> special about them (NOT MY PERSONAL VIEW, before you raise and aim

> your cyber bazookas this way, kids!) but without tantrik vashikaran

> they moved masses, more than most pahunchey baba nobody knows them

> tantriks can move, truth be told!

>

> Charts and astrological horoscopes are available for all of these

> individuals, readily. What is there in their charts that allowed

them

> to demonstrably and documentedly do without any 'tak-tuk' (magic)

> what they did and how they changed the history of mankind and the

> CULTURE of man and woman and children and everything in between

those

> in massive phenomena that any vashikaran pales in front of.

>

> Do you agree?

>

> rohiniranjan

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > There are many types of vasikaran.it is like hypnotising a

> person.the person almost a vegetative structures and ready obey the

> master when orders were given.what he sees externally is different

> from what he perceives.sometimes the motor actor activity of the

> nerves and muscles can be arrested.There are many ways in which

> vasikiran is can be performed:By:Tantras as well as mantras

> > This altogether a different kind of sastra and in ancient

times,the

> application in the past used to be resorted mosly by kings

> > krishnan

> >

> > Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote:

> > Hi,

> >

> > Vashikaran is the process through which one attracts

> > the other person towards himself. It is generally

> > done by performing some rituals (mostly black magic)

> > or by using hypnotism.

> >

> > I don't know what types of vashikaran are you talking

> > about (I don't know types of vashikaran), but

> > generally, it is either down on an individual or on a

> > group (for short duration).

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Neeraj

> >

> > --- vashikaran1234 <vashikaran1234> wrote:

> >

> > > plz tell me what is vashikaran and its various

> > > forms...

> > >

> >

> > http://www.neerajgupta.com

> >

> > FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> > http://farechase.

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> >

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

Visit your group "" on the web.

FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

November 12, 2005

Some jupiter types (resonating to one of the two vibrations of

jupiter) maintain that Jupiter fulfils all criteria of being a star

(that was) rather than a planet subservient to what we know as sun

our star.

Makes sense that this creation was created by the incorporation of

not one but at least two stars, one of which agreed to be silent even

while not losing its inherent promise or potency!

Thus was born astrological reality through such bipolarity, such

duality, some of which is not just two states of the same thing, like

the north and south pole on the same magnet body, but even present in

two disparate bodies, like the positron and electron!

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99> wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,(a mentor a torsteel made)

> Not necesaary as the venus raising in my in ketu nakshtra of mola

and the ascendant in poorvashdha ruled by venus can indicate how old

is madonna?

> The sun is older than venus,dear sir

> with mercury ruler of 7th and 10th in 12th in mars sign(a watery

sign) in Anuradha nakshtra of saturn.These indications are enough

between two dadas?

> regards

> krishnan

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> Hehe, when you wrote Mentor, I hope you did not mean TORMentor as

> many have tried to portray me as or see that side of me, here and

> there!!

>

> Thanks for your addition to the thread and I hope you noted the

> correction in the spelling of the 'main course' in the header? It

was

> beginning to bother me ;-)

>

> In fact I was planning to add Madona too (the italian one) and a

few

> other individuals but I rather not give clues to my age!

>

> , vattem krishnan

> <bursar_99> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mentor,

> > If Iam permitted to add I would also include in the list Swamy

> Ramdev,which in the present decade he is the moving spirit

exhorting

> importance of Yoga.he is able to take all people with him and

> convince the self cure of dreaded diseses through Pranayama and

> Aurvedic approach.I have seen all over the country he emphasises

and

> impresses people to own yoga and practice pranayama.

> > Coming bach to all such great personalities including Mother

> Teressa,there is something extra ordinary be it Astrological

> influences or their own internal capabilities acquired through

> sadhana,they are those unbelievably great spirits who could have

mass

> follow up without seeking any personal benifits:

> > They have sacrificed their lives for the benifit of mankind

> > They have ensured importance of serving the people

> > They have identified the root cause of the ideals of all people

> > For them to reach out to people is to reach out to God

> > Last but not least is the worship God through Mankind

> > In no uncertain terms their Astro Charts totally different.Their

> Saturn always given them a great measure of reaching out to

> people.Mercury in their charts was always able to pu their

intellect

> before every other need

> > Their Mars never troubled them and they needed it to have the

drive.

> > Their Jupiter has taught them different approach and discipline.

> > Finally they all owe to the Sun for the name and fame

> > The moon to has done the great achievement of blessing their

> mothers with such a noble minds

> > krishnan

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Dear Krishnan Dada and other fellow-forum members,

> >

> > Please understand I do not mean to lighten the environment by

> taking

> > attention away from Tantrik vashikaran and its many

manifestations

> > and variations as described and elaborated under Kamakhya

Tantram --

> -

> >

> > But how about the vashikaran that some charismatic personae have

> > demonstrated in this world, without tantra, mantra etc that is

> > generally associated with this phenomenon. Before you good folks

> ask,

> > I will give examples, some good, others really evil, but you be

the

> > judge!

> >

> > Gandhi

> > Hitler

> > Rajneesh/Osho

> > Beetles

> > Elvis

> > Martin L. King

> > Mandela

> >

> > Some may wish to include Yogananda, Vivekananda, Mahesh Yogi but

> let

> > us focus ont he first six in this list.

> >

> > I am sure those, particularly those that did not see these as

> special

> > or even Karishmatic would readily agree that there was nothing

> > special about them (NOT MY PERSONAL VIEW, before you raise and

aim

> > your cyber bazookas this way, kids!) but without tantrik

vashikaran

> > they moved masses, more than most pahunchey baba nobody knows

them

> > tantriks can move, truth be told!

> >

> > Charts and astrological horoscopes are available for all of these

> > individuals, readily. What is there in their charts that allowed

> them

> > to demonstrably and documentedly do without any 'tak-tuk' (magic)

> > what they did and how they changed the history of mankind and the

> > CULTURE of man and woman and children and everything in between

> those

> > in massive phenomena that any vashikaran pales in front of.

> >

> > Do you agree?

> >

> > rohiniranjan

> >

> > , vattem krishnan

> > <bursar_99> wrote:

> > >

> > > There are many types of vasikaran.it is like hypnotising a

> > person.the person almost a vegetative structures and ready obey

the

> > master when orders were given.what he sees externally is

different

> > from what he perceives.sometimes the motor actor activity of the

> > nerves and muscles can be arrested.There are many ways in which

> > vasikiran is can be performed:By:Tantras as well as mantras

> > > This altogether a different kind of sastra and in ancient

> times,the

> > application in the past used to be resorted mosly by kings

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote:

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > Vashikaran is the process through which one attracts

> > > the other person towards himself. It is generally

> > > done by performing some rituals (mostly black magic)

> > > or by using hypnotism.

> > >

> > > I don't know what types of vashikaran are you talking

> > > about (I don't know types of vashikaran), but

> > > generally, it is either down on an individual or on a

> > > group (for short duration).

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Neeraj

> > >

> > > --- vashikaran1234 <vashikaran1234> wrote:

> > >

> > > > plz tell me what is vashikaran and its various

> > > > forms...

> > > >

> > >

> > > http://www.neerajgupta.com

> > >

> > > FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> > > http://farechase.

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > > Terms of

> > Service.

> > >

> > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> > >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.

> >

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> Terms of

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what is vashikaran? Another angle!! A DIVERSION shall we say?

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