Guest guest Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 dear krishnan garu thank you for your clarification. when jupiter, saturn and luminaries are excepted from this general rule, it clears my doubt that there is no general rule as such which can be quoted blindly. with best wishes and regards arjun , vattem krishnan <bursar_99> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > In bhavrtha ratnakara distinction is made between on the karka of bhava and lord of the bahva,Various bahve thus are;Thanu (Sun),Dhana(jupiter),Bhatru(Mars),Matru(Moon),Putra(jupiter),satru (saturn),kalatra(venus),ayur(saturn),Pitru(sun),karma(jupiter),labha (jupiter) and vyaya(saturn) > For a bhava we have also bhva karaka apart from bhavadhi pati and planets particularly benifics strengthening the bahava..If bahava karaka is in 12th from the Acendant is fortunate as per chapter VIII stanza 6(p121). > These implications are understandable as the principles of jyotish involve shadbalas also. > where as if karak happens to be in the bahva itself this does not augur well 'coz,the planets sthana bala at it's lowest.Exception however saturn,jupiter and luminaries.Aspects in jyotish play a immense role for the bahva to be strong or get afflicted. > The principles of jyotish need holistic approach and not in isolation.Basic approach of jyotish is to bring balance in life.only astrology alone can make meaning of life.otherwise we can not make a shrp distinction between benific and malefic houses. > krishnan > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004> wrote: > , "Vaswani, Rajesh" > <rajesh.vaswani@l...> wrote: > > > > Dear Arjunji, > > Though you have addressed the question to krishnanji and > asutoshji. "how a karak is supposed to > > destroy his house in the first place?" I would like to share > something on this. I have read and learnt from books only. In the > BPHS it says that for analysing for instance the 7th house. We look > at the House, house lord and the significator venus. Since the > significator is superimposed in the house it signifies. Any malefic > effect on the 7th house become more severe since it causes weakness > by effecting the house and the significator at one time. This means > if there is any affliction it will get magnified. > > regards > > Rajesh Vaswani > > > > > > > > []On Behalf Of > panditarjun2004 > > Sunday, January 08, 2006 7:43 PM > > > > Re: FW: Help needed (for ashuthoshji and krishnanji) > > > > > > dear krishnan garu > > > > as you rigtly said bindus, aspects, navamsha, gochara and other > > balas etc. have also to be reckoned for assessing the strength and > > results of a karak. but you are saying "this quote is a rule but > > has some excpetions". it implies that an astrologer shall first > > feel that a karak placed in the same house shall destroy(naash) > that > > house and then look for any cancellation of his spoilsport. > > > > my observation is that a karak placed in his own house shall not > be > > termed as destroyer of that bhava in the first place by that > > mythical quote "karako bhava nasha". my query is how can a karak > > destroy his own house. i may be sounding questioning the > rudiments > > but how can a significator and benefactor of a house destroys it > by > > being in that house. no way, it is illogical. if it is so, how > can > > a planet in his own sign is termed benefic. be it the sign or > house > > both represent characteristics and dispositions. > > > > could you kindly throw some more light on how a karak is supposed > to > > destroy his house in the first place. any reasoning and reference > > would be appreciated. > > > > with best wishes > > arjun > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > These words of wisdom if found to be incorrect,it may be that > > research factors and the wisemen contexts were not similar > > > Karkako bhava nasha ha:karak in own housenaturally destroys > that > > house > > > Rules have meaning as they r made with intent.Exceptions too > > have been made through PAC factors. > > > > > > (If)Karak in his own house doing good,it is to be seen through > > Ahtaka varga bindus how many bindus the bhava and house signify. > > > what is very important activation of the bahva at specific > time > > through gochara is the most relevant to consider.If yogakarak > planet > > is influencing for that sign it will naturally do good.But then > how > > in navmas that particular bhava is inflated by malefics/benifics > and > > nakshtra lords. > > > For all of us Astrology is no simple subject unlike today's > > generations as good happening is due to dasa/time.where as bad is > > only due to bhava/house?It can not be like that.Principally > > Astrology is sound.Present research and context may prove > > otherwise.basic principles hold good at any time.where as > > generalisation for universality may not be so. > > > regards > > > krishnan > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004> wrote: > > > dear ashutoshji and krishnanji > > > > > > these days many budding as well as seasoned astrologers in > various > > > groups are quoting liberally that sun in 1st house is bad, moon > in > > > 4th house is bad, jupiter in 5th house is bad, venus in 7th > house > > is > > > bad, so on, and are also citing various classics. some > astrologers > > > are blindly sermonising that a karak in own house naturally > > destroys > > > that house. in my two decades experience and research i found > no > > or > > > little truth in this and contrary to this written myth, i found > > most > > > of the charts i read where the karak in his own house doing good. > > > > > > what is your opinion on this karak spoiling his own house. > > > > > > with best wishes > > > arjun > > > > > > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rajesh, > > > > > > > > This is what happens when one starts > > learning > > > jyotish directly from books and takes one's own horoscope as the > > > basic chart for study purposes. It is the natual process but > very > > > harmfull. > > > > > > > > You will not have any further problems concerning > > seventh > > > house. Rest assured. As I say very often, "Not everything > written > > in > > > books is always practically applicable". The horoscope is always > > > seen as a whole, not by individual planets. > > > > > > > > With time you will learn more and when you will see > the > > > really seventh-house related problems in other's horoscopes, you > > > will start noticing the beneifts of your venus-mer in seventh. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology > > group, > > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > cornholiosbhungolios > > > > > > > > Sunday, 08 January, 2006 11:58 > > > > Re: FW: Help needed > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Asutosh, > > > > Thankx a lot for the reply. I would follow the remedies > > you > > > have > > > > given and then give you feedback after six months. I myself > > have > > > > attended the art of living course and appreciate it a lot. > > > Looking at > > > > re-attending the course again. Being a employee in a private > > > form. > > > > The pay check is the only source of income. After mercury > > dasha > > > > started I got attracted to stock market and have made a good > > > money > > > > out of it but my last 10 - 12 trades have been all rows of > > > losses. I > > > > started with learning technical analysis and later on > aquired > > > > sophesticated softwares and got books. The market ticker > > running > > > all > > > > day in my room. Its only when I wanted to buy house I moved > > all > > > the > > > > money out of the market to fund for house. Re-entry in the > > > market > > > > after this put me out of sync. > > > > > > > > I want to clarify that in my chart the 7th house has venus. > > > Venus as > > > > the significator of the spouse in the 7th is suppose to be > > > > detrimental for marriage. There's a principle give by > parsara > > > > saying "Bhavato karako nashtam"(significator destroys the > > > > significations of the house it signifies if it occupies it). > > The > > > 7th > > > > house has a papa kartari yoga by being hemmed by malefics > sun > > > and > > > > ketu on either side. Presence of mars(vakri graha) in the > > > seventh > > > > which is quite strong here, in one way it can be said that > it > > is > > > > protecting its own house. Three planets in the 7th. mercury > > the > > > 12th > > > > lord in the 7th. Are these indicating something bad for my > > > marriage? > > > > In Adolf Hitler and Princess Diana's chart too venus was in > > the > > > 7th. > > > > Not forgetting to mention that I have had one engagement > once > > > and > > > > later it broke up just a month before marriage. Now living > > > happily > > > > and want to live happily for life with my present spouse. > The > > > > indications shown in my chart related to the sevent house > are > > > > becoming a cause for concern when I astrologically see them. > > Can > > > you > > > > please comment on this? > > > > regards > > > > Rajesh Vaswani > > > > --- In > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > <astrologerashutosh> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajesh, > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for this delayed reply. > > > > > > > > > > Congratulations for your sister's marrige, in > > advance. > > > It > > > > is also comforting to knoe that your wife and sister are > going > > > along > > > > well after the Art of Living course. I wonder why you > yourself > > > did > > > > not attend that course. It would have been helpfull to > > aleviate > > > > stress. > > > > > > > > > > Amethyst is a sunstitute for Neelam. It is usually > > > worn > > > > taking more than double the weight of regular neelam for > half > > > the > > > > effects. > > > > > > > > > > I would recommend a white sapphire and an emerald > to > > > you. > > > > The sapphire should be in silver ring and worn on ring > finger. > > > The > > > > emerald is worn on little finger in gold ring. > > > > > > > > > > The mercury dasha is good for you. You can start > > some > > > > business, own enterprise, etc in this dasha. But, > speculative > > > > business like stock-trading is not advised in your case. The > > > > transition of jupiter from virgo to libra must have brought > > the > > > stock > > > > market related losses for you. > > > > > > > > > > For you only a slow and steady income is > favorable. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology > > > group, > > > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Vaswani, Rajesh > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, 05 January, 2006 14:51 > > > > > RE: FW: Help needed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Asutosh, > > > > > First of all Sorry for addressing the query to you > > and > > > > arjun ji inspite of posting in a group. After your last > > reading > > > I > > > > have brought a flat by taking a home loan. The flat is under > > > > construction and will be getting it in this year april. > > > Thereafter I > > > > am planning to rent it out. You had mentioned in your last > > > reading > > > > that in the second week of september I will be constructing > a > > > house. > > > > I found a suitable match for my younger sister and the > > marriage > > > has > > > > been fixed to the 19th of next month. Domestic family life > has > > > been > > > > back to normal. Also in your previous reading you had > > mentioned > > > that > > > > I will travel abroad in Aug last week. But I had a local > > travel > > > to > > > > north india during that time. My Domestic family life was > > being > > > > disturbed because of my sister not getting along with my > wife. > > > You > > > > has asked my sisters date of birth (3rd November 1982, 1:10 > > PM, > > > > Bangalore) and had given below reply. > > > > > > > > > > "Your sister is mangalik and the aspect of saturn also > on > > > seventh > > > > house increases the maleficience of her seventh house. > Choose > > a > > > > mangalik boy for her. Her nature is full of extremes with > > > volatile > > > > temper on one end and total sacrifice on the other. > > > > > > > > > > A combust venus has been creating problems for > > her. > > > She > > > > has problems expressing her true emotions. I see a natural > > delay > > > in > > > > her marriage. The failure this month was a blessing in > > disguise > > > > because it nullified the second marriage yoga in her chart. > > You > > > will > > > > get a chance again in january 2006 to get her married, after > > > that the > > > > mariage will be possible only in november 2010. Get the > > > horoscopes > > > > matched by competent astrologers before agreeing to any > > proposal. > > > > > > > > > > The married life will be peaceful. A boy who > does > > > not > > > > live in a joint family due to his professional compulsions > > will > > > be > > > > suitable for her. A career in the NGO sector, especially > > > education > > > > sector will suit her. She will gain fame due to her social > > > services > > > > and her works for humanity, especially for women. > > > > > > > > > > Even though she has differences with your wife, > > her > > > > marriage will happen due to an active role of your wife. > After > > > > marriage her relations with your wife will improve > > > significantly. " > > > > > > > > > > She is getting married to a boy in chile who happens to > be > > > my > > > > friend. She will be staying with the boy after marriage in > > chile > > > > itself. Last month I had send both my wife and sister for > art > > of > > > > living course and there is a good amount of getting along > > after > > > the > > > > course. > > > > > > > > > > As of now I Have been lacking mental peace. There are > > > worries > > > > resulting due to debt, lack of concentration in studies, > stock > > > market > > > > losses. I would like to know if any remedies would help me > out > > > at > > > > this stage to give me mental peace. Any stones/gems can be > > > suggested? > > > > I wear a Amythiest right now. > > > > > regards > > > > > Rajesh Vaswani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf Of > > > > astrologerashutosh > > > > > Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:17 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: FW: Help needed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajesh, > > > > > > > > > > Just like it happened a few months > ago, > > I > > > did > > > > not intially respond to your mail because it had been > directly > > > > addressed to me and Arjun Ji. Now, your query is open to the > > > group I > > > > am feeling free to take it up. > > > > > > > > > > In your mails in august'05, you were worried > about > > > > selling and buying house. I had also advised you to get your > > > younger > > > > sister married as soon as possible. I would be glad to get > the > > > > feedback on the solutions provided then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the > astrology > > > group, > > > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Vaswani, Rajesh > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, 05 January, 2006 10:18 > > > > > FW: FW: Help needed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > Just to correct, my baby is 10 months not 10 > > > years . > > > > > regards > > > > > Rajesh Vaswani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > []On Behalf Of > > > Vaswani, > > > > Rajesh > > > > > Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:47 AM > > > > > > > > > > FW: Help needed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > I am mailing again to make my mail get noticed. > If > > I > > > can > > > > be suggested remedies for improving my present situation. I > > will > > > be > > > > greatful. > > > > > > > > > > Birth Details > > > > > Date 31/05/1977 > > > > > Time 16:30 > > > > > Place : Bangalore > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > Rajesh Vaswani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaswani, Rajesh > > > > > > Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:09 AM > > > > > > '' > > > > > > FW: Help needed > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am posting this message for the third time > to > > > get > > > > some response. Respected group members can you please help > me > > > out. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Rajesh Vaswani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaswani, Rajesh > > > > > > Friday, December 30, 2005 4:17 PM > > > > > > '' > > > > > > FW: Help needed --> Arjun, Asutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am posting my message again. Please help me > > out. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Rajesh Vaswani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vaswani, Rajesh > > > > > > Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:19 AM > > > > > > '' > > > > > > Help needed --> Arjun, Asutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am an software enginneer by profession, > > working > > > for > > > > an MNC. Married and have a 10 year old baby. Have been > lacking > > > mental > > > > peace from since february. There are worries resulting due > to > > > house > > > > tensions, debts (This is after jupiter my sixth lord entered > > > tula), > > > > expenses, some small losses in the stock market. The debt > was > > > > incurred since I took an new apartment in september, looks > > like > > > gurus > > > > transit made me take a home loan. I had to borrow some > amount > > > for the > > > > downpayment, I have already repaid this half. I am doing my > > > final > > > > year of M.C.A correspondance now and am not able to study or > > > > concentrate on studies due to the wavering mind. Right now I > > > wear an > > > > amythiest on my left hand ring finger since I came to know > > that > > > the > > > > amythiest calms the mind. Looking for foreign opportunities > in > > > near > > > > term but as of now nothing seems to work out. Being the only > > son > > > I > > > > have a huge inheritance from my father but it looks like I > > will > > > lose > > > > my inheritance because his brother who is the bu! > > > > > siness ! > > > > > partner seems to have bad intentions. I would like to > > know > > > if > > > > any remedies would help me out at this stage to give me > mental > > > peace. > > > > Any stones/gems can be suggested? 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