HOW TO KNOW ISHTA DEVATA BY JYOTISHA METHODS.

February 18, 2006

Nice!

1. I'm happy to see you so far from my first "?"

2. I'm surprised to see how people who bielive in Jotish are talking about

"choosing devata by jotish significators is wrong, not needed, true bhakta

doesn't do like this" etc. I didn't ask about true bhakta. I just wanna know if

somebody understand what does shani in 12-th house from karakamsha in navamsa

mean.thank you.

OK.

Does anyone know a system of chacking mantra by its first letter and Rashi?

Does it really work? My Rasi is Mina, so letters of piscies, cancer and scorpio

are good for me according to this system (ra, la, va,ya, ai, cha, ja etc) But I

love Ka. If I make japa with Krim or Klim or Kalikayai namah I will go crazy,

won't I?)Freinds, If you do not know the point please do not replay. Sorry for

my so-called English)

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear mohanraam ji

your and your guruji's observation of ishtadevata and kuladevata is

perfect and as per shastras. in many cases when checked with the

horoscopes we find the ishtadevata different from their aradhya

devata hence i differentiated. in some parts of north india ram or

krishan is their aradhya devata irrespective of what their

ishadevata is based on their horoscopes.

besides these you have not touched the pratyaksha devatas or visible

gods whom they owe allegiance and keep blind faith and worship their

photos on a daily basis including chanting of their tailor made

aratis.

the last entrant of the list is guru-devatas who are gaining more

popularity and some gurus have started advising their disciples that

guru is everything and they shall worship them only and if they do

so, they need not do any worship to any other god.

in this backdrop, i give the freedom of choice to a native to choose

which form or manifestation of god he or she wish to worship. for

example, few people surrendered themselves to me with blind faith

and then i had to deliver miraculous results to them as if i am

their god.

all these happen only with the grace of god and let us all serve the

suffering in whichever form they wish to receive it.

with best wishes and regards

arjun

, "mohanraaam"

<mohanraaam wrote:

>

> Dear Pandit Arjunji:

>

> You have voiced wonderful words of wisdom. But, I wish to

moderate

> your views to some extent (I am still a student, so do not take

> offence if my views are immature). According to my Guruji, Ishta

> Devataa is the Divine Form that strikes a personal affinity in the

> subconscious of an individual on the first acquaintanceship with

the

> form itself! Guruji used to say that this is due to latent

effects of

> upaasaanas of the earlier births when the native had an intense

> affinity to the form of the Divine. You seem to denote this with

the

> term "Araadya Devata". Ofcourse, Kula Devata is the Divine Form

that

> is worshipped continuously for generations in one's family and

Guruji

> used to say that one should not neglect the worship of Kula Devata

> regardless of whether it becomes one's Ishta Devataa or not.....

>

> Upaasanaa Devataas are Divine Forms which are worshipped by

Sadhanaas

> by an individual usually due to preponderance of Rajsik or tamsik

> gunas (i.e. to accomplish certain siddhis and tasks). Selection

of

> this upaasanaa Devataas should be in strict accordance with rules

of

> astrology. When the purpose is Satwik, like for emancipation of

one's

> soul, removal of sufferings of others, etc., we need not check for

> suitability of the DEvata from astrological chart. At least, this

is

> my understanding of Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji's teachings on this

> subject. Kindly correct me wherever I am wrong.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> Dakshinamoorthidaas.

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini ji

> >

> > due to your active participation we are learning so many things

> > these days in a rational way.

> >

> > i personally do not believe in the ishtadevata playing a

prominent

> > role for a native based on the longitude of a planet and the

planet

> > behind in a divisional chart.

> >

> > other than the ishtadevata, most families in india are more

attached

> > to worshipping their kuladevatas which they keep worshipping for

> > generations.

> >

> > over and above the ishta and kula, some natives develop special

> > bhakti towards a particular god or goddess and they start

> > worshipping that form which they call aradhya devata.

> >

> > to make the list longer, we also have some pratyaksha devatas

like

> > the late shirdi saibaba or living puttaparti satya saibaba

(besides

> > many godmen in various states) whose disciples worship their

> > lifesize photos as gods and read their own aratis as they are

their

> > pratyaksha devatas.

> >

> > though not devatas, most rich families have thier own gurus and

they

> > treat their gurus as their guru-devatas (jai gurudev)and consult

> > these gurudevs for doing any and everything.

> >

> > so, in my opinion, the ishtadevata has no such great emphasis

and a

> > native can worship any form of god as he/she feels like, for the

> > vedas clearly state "ekam sat, vipraaa bahudhaa vadanti".

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > , "auromirra19"

> > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected RR ji,

> > >

> > > First my apology to the forum I dont know why my post gets

> > > replicated at times.

> > > I also find atheists become greater bhaktas if at all they

choose

> > to

> > > be because as you said they are too passionate, be it onthis

side

> > or

> > > the other.Yes you are right. I want to truly go about learning

> > > Astrology but am flummoxed by the numerous approaches/systems

and

> > > would'nt know where and what to start.

> > > The Mahadashas and the antardashas of the karmic planets like

> > > Saturn, which teach a lesson or two or venus, during whose

dasha

> > > natives are said to acquire material comforts, do they give

the

> > > native their slant?

> > > Can jolly fellows become truly gloomy/pessimistic? and vice

versa

> > > and do they bounce back, shake off their mantle?

> > > Because lessons learnt normally do remain for a life time, I

am

> > > talking about this life time I woudnt know about pastlives ,

as i

> > am

> > > finding it difficult recollecting experiences of this lifetime

> > even.

> > > It it also true that these shape the native in the ever

learning

> > > process life is. Is there any way to cushion the fall,when you

> > know

> > > you are falling, taking notes from the planets?

> > > regards

> > > Nalini

> > > , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Auromirra,

> > > >

> > > > My two cents. I think, based on the little experience that I

> > > > remember clearly (i.e., acquired in this lifetime!)

> > the 'atheists'

> > > > are generally more passionate and committed in a sense than

> > > > the 'bhaktas'. Atheists tend to ask questions, have an

easier

> > task

> > > > in general because overall it is easier to disprove the

> > existence

> > > of

> > > > God and even spiritual realm than otherwise! Given the

*reality*

> > > > most of us have chosen to live in!

> > > >

> > > > Regarding dashas, there are problems: Which dashas are you

> > > > specifically talking about (books and articles abound with

at

> > > times

> > > > each chart and event being explained by a different dasha --

> > kind

> > > of

> > > > like the tropical/western asteroid scene -- and everyone

here

> > can

> > > > vouch that I am not a cynic! ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Also, dasha of what kind of planet? What kind of role it is

> > > playing,

> > > > how strongly, how so qualitatively (reminds me of the ruby

> > wedding

> > > > ring I wrote about minutes ago and the granddaughter).

> > > >

> > > > If arudhas are about Maya and appearances or external

> > perceptions

> > > > (perceived appearances) as Jaimini scholars tell us, maybe

> > > > atmakarakas coming from the same systems should not be

> > > automatically

> > > > taken as some sort of core descriptor, that too just based

on

> > the

> > > > longitude. Those who have really delved into the core of

self

> > and

> > > > others, hopefully agree that one planet would not be able to

> > > explain

> > > > it that easily, that readily!

> > > >

> > > > Some of us have experienced few births, others have

experienced

> > > many

> > > > if not 8400000! Some even claim to remember a few of those!

> > > > Obviously, it is not a simple story!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > Is it possible that natives turn to Gods and worship

during a

> > > > > particular dasha even having been atheists and non

believers?

> > > > > Similarly do natives who turn spiritual during certain

dasha

> > get

> > > > > back to the mundane or rather become less inclined

spiritually

> > > at

> > > > > the expiry of the dasha? As I understand that dashas and

> > > > > atmakaraks .... are responsible for the convictions,

beliefs,

> > > > > religion, spirituality, worship, materialism, etc.

> > > > > or Is it that the basic signature of the chart remains

> > > unchanged

> > > > > and the above are more pronounced or come to the forefront

> > > during

> > > > a

> > > > > particular dasha?

> > > > > Because I have found people suddenly from being atheists

> > become

> > > > > ardent devotees. How is this phenomenon astrologically

> > explained?

> > > > > regards

> > > > > Nalini

> > > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > Mistakes/aberrations/inconsistencies emnates during

> > > > > dashaas..otherwise a normal humanbeing very vociferous

about

> > his

> > > > > attitudes do not normally deviate from his

thinking/conduct of

> > > > life

> > > > > but for the influence externally taking place (through

some

> > > > > teachings/readings).

> > > > > > In the pursuit of truth whether through bhakti

> > marga/vedanta

> > > > or

> > > > > through other means(meta physical aspects) human beings

> > normally

> > > > get

> > > > > stranded and find themselves impressed by a school of

> > > > thought.More

> > > > > than this as a choice,things do happen beyond their

control

> > and

> > > > > later find that change has noconviction.

> > > > > > Bhakti may be a wavering aspect as environment tends

to

> > > > > influence all living beings.Few would certainly understand

and

> > > > find

> > > > > the path to tread is definete and imbibe in their thoughts

and

> > > > > mind.It is therefore beyond us to measure the extent of

bhakti

> > > > they

> > > > > endorse.

> > > > > > God forbid such change as all convictions arise out of

> > faith

> > > > and

> > > > > do not merit any grade.Humans have definete way of life to

> > fear

> > > at

> > > > > things beyond control and would always enedeavour to

improve

> > > their

> > > > > confidence.In the process the prayers(iam not referring

here

> > to

> > > > > bhakti) become handy to address to a Supreme lord(be it

> > > > > Allah/Jesus/Mary/Bahai).This helps the native to come out

from

> > > his

> > > > > hallow and find that much of time utilised for praying

helps

> > the

> > > > > native to tackle his future by growing confidence.

> > > > > > Problem for most of the natives is they identify their

own

> > > > > targets(has it's own base through jyotish).desire to

pursue

> > but

> > > > find

> > > > > to fail in efforts and others do not have any means to

chart

> > > their

> > > > > own life and remain in their own world.In the process the

> > > > > environment in which they exist influence and get

convinced

> > and

> > > > > pursue the path.others think of their inability and look

for

> > the

> > > > > Almighty to stand by them to achieve their targets.So this

> > > > approach

> > > > > has certainly has no link with bahkti.People admit their

> > > > > helplessness and resort to prayers to boost their own

levels

> > > > > abilities through confidence to handle their

situations.These

> > > > > processes find somebody worshipping Hindu God (may be

Ishata

> > > > Devata)

> > > > > others some other Gods.very few no prayer and no God.

> > > > > > Ishta Devata normally is not identified as a matter of

> > > > > choice.families have their own deities known as Kula

Devatas

> > > > though

> > > > > not declared but intend to meet occassionally and use time

for

> > > > some

> > > > > reverrance and express their gratitude to the Supreme.

Their

> > > > outlook

> > > > > to Nature includes an External Force that guides one and

all

> > and

> > > > > rever to that faith.Ishta devatas accordingly are promoted

and

> > > > > scriptures to envisage .In modern times where people have

lot

> > of

> > > > > deviations coming out of explosion of communications

become

> > > > > evaporative and vascillate between different faiths and

> > > > > religions.ofcourse there is unity in diversity

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > Though not absolute and definitive and can be arguably

> > > > defended,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > fact that some people change their religion, several

times,

> > > and

> > > > > > allegience to deities and prophets more than once,

indicates

> > > to

> > > > me

> > > > > > that even there there is freedom of choice and room for

> > making

> > > > > > mistakes and errors and yet getting back into track

> > eventually.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > True bhakti and allegience should not be influenced

strongly

> > > by

> > > > > > dashas and transits, one would surmise, but real life

> > evidence

> > > > > > indicates that bhakti is not all that constant or

written in

> > > > > stone,

> > > > > > metaphorically speaking!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , vattem krishnan

> > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > > > > Incase you want to choose(is there any choice?)Ishta

> > > devata

> > > > > with

> > > > > > moon in debilitation in kujas sign could naturally be

> > swayambhu

> > > > > > (SIVA) or other way mother nature durga as atamakarak is

sun

> > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dor dor <dokostyan@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Pandits and friends.

> > > > > > > In different traditions Shani said to be a

significator

> > > of

> > > > > > Narayan- Pradjapati-Yama-Kurmavatar and so on. Some

tantric

> > > > > sources

> > > > > > say that Kali also can show Shani.

> > > > > > > Many years ago I was initiated in Tantric mantra of

> > > > > Mahalakshmi

> > > > > > and I meditated on it in regular metter. I was a very

young

> > > and

> > > > > did

> > > > > > just what respected adultes told me to do. I had some

good

> > > > > moments

> > > > > > in my practice, but for a few year I started to realise

it

> > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > my mantra, not my Devata .Now I spontaniously see in my

> > > > > meditation

> > > > > > black naced lady with golden decorations and feel

bliss. I

> > am

> > > > > > Vrishchik with Chandra in Mina, Surya as Atmakaraka. In

> > > Navamsa

> > > > > 12-

> > > > > > th house from Surya is Cancer with re-moving Shani.

Cold

> > > anyone

> > > > > > kindly tell me anything about a corect way to choose

Ishta

> > in

> > > > my

> > > > > > case. Thank you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

dear

> > > > > > ashutosh ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > while appreciating and endorsing all your views

> > mentioned

> > > in

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > mail, i feel it is not prudent to share threads of

Vedic

> > > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > group in this group that too without the knowledge

of

> > > those

> > > > > > members

> > > > > > > since most of them are not active here. Few

astrologers

> > > > have

> > > > > > > started cross posting which is not good. the

objective

> > of

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > cross posting members is that he put his (right or

> > wrong)

> > > > view

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > the top of a thread and post it in another group and

> > when

> > > > none

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > the members in the thread answer, this cross poster

got

> > > his

> > > > > > point

> > > > > > > scored and gets an image in that group. this is a

cheap

> > > > > > technique

> > > > > > > used by people who wish to earn fame by hook.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i have already requested tanvir ji in a private mail

> > about

> > > > > these

> > > > > > > cross postings and if he allows such most

knowledgeful

> > > > > members'

> > > > > > > views masked by this cross poster in this group

without

> > > even

> > > > > > making

> > > > > > > them aware.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ashutoshji, needless to say i agree 100% with your

views

> > > and

> > > > > > > opinions and my lament is only about cross posting

and

> > not

> > > > > your

> > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with best wishes and regards

> > > > > > > arjun

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , "astrologerashutosh"

> > > > > > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A lot of bashing of

gemstone

> > > > > > prescribing

> > > > > > > astrologers is going on. The alternative to

gemstones

> > has

> > > > been

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > as worship of god and mantras, by some members.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I do not believe in any god or religion.

But,

> > I

> > > > > > prescribe

> > > > > > > gemstones to those who can afford them. To say that

the

> > > gems

> > > > > > have no

> > > > > > > effect at all is also a hardline opposition, which

again

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > healthy approach to this subject.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But, it is not a simple matter to

prescribe

> > gems

> > > > > after

> > > > > > > analysing a horoscope. Only one or two gems, at

most,

> > are

> > > > > > suitable

> > > > > > > for any individual. Sometimes, no gems at all are

> > required

> > > > and

> > > > > a

> > > > > > few

> > > > > > > simple changes in lifestyle are enough a solutions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have personally observed the effects of

gems

> > > on

> > > > > > myself

> > > > > > > and others. They work very well and have excellent

> > results

> > > > if

> > > > > > worn

> > > > > > > in the right way.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > About the chanting of mantras and

worships.

> > > Belief

> > > > > is

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > very strong force. For one who is a believer in God,

> > > worship

> > > > > is

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > potent solution. But, peforming havans and grand

poojas

> > is

> > > > > many

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > times a pretty worse remedy than wearing expensive

> > > > gemstones.

> > > > > > Not

> > > > > > > every astrologer knows the correct methods of

performing

> > > > > yagyas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Has anyone wondered why the priest-cum-

> > > astrologers

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > emphasising more on havans and yagyas than

gemstones?

> > Here

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > actual reason-

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Suppose, a client contacts me and I

prescribe

> > a

> > > > > Yellow

> > > > > > > Sapphire for him. He has no compulsion to buy the

> > sapphire

> > > > > from

> > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > He has a lot of choices like his family jeweller,

his

> > > friend

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > knows some good dealer, a good contact in a good

place,

> > > etc.

> > > > > If

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > emphasise on him buying the gem only from me, he

will

> > > > suspect

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > integrity straightaway.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But, for poojas, I can always emphasize

that a

> > > > havan

> > > > > > > prescribed by me can be performed correctly only

under

> > my

> > > > > > guidance.

> > > > > > > It also gives a religious aura to the proceedings

which

> > is

> > > > > > enough to

> > > > > > > cloud most of the people's reasonings. Then, even if

the

> > > > cost

> > > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > havan is more than any normal gemstone's price, the

> > client

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > faithfully pay for it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The same people who hesitate to wear a

> > gemstone

> > > > have

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > found to spend double the amount on Kaal Sarpa

poojas,

> > > > > > > Mahamrityunjaya yagyas and so on.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When one buys a gem, at least he has

something

> > > > > worthy

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > his finger which has some value. What about a havan

or

> > > > yagya?

> > > > > > > Whether it is performed correctly or not, the

individual

> > > is

> > > > > left

> > > > > > > with only the blessings and ashes in the havan

kunda.

> > Only

> > > > the

> > > > > > > priest is happy and with a heavy pocket.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The gems need not be very expesive and

> > flawless.

> > > > > Some

> > > > > > > inclusions, silk, fibres are permitted. Even though

a

> > gem

> > > > may

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > expensive, it may not be astrologically suitable to

be

> > > worn.

> > > > > On

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > other hand, a cheap and simple gem may give

excellent

> > > > results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > A good astrologer earns so well from

> > > consultations

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > that he does not really need any profit from the

> > gemstone

> > > > > sales.

> > > > > > The

> > > > > > > gemstone business has its own headaches and no

serious

> > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > prefers to get embroiled in it. I get gemstones only

for

> > > > those

> > > > > > > clients who are not able to get them from anywhere

else,

> > > due

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > their lack of experience or knowledge or contacts.

> > Still,

> > > > the

> > > > > > fear

> > > > > > > that my honesty and integrity are at stake, keeps

> > haunting

> > > > me,

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > though my clients have their full faith in me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Those who lack astrological expertise seek

to

> > > earn

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > gemstone sales and havan-poojas. I had received an

email

> > > > from

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > person from UK who told me that a Guruji has

recommended

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > him and he will charge around 1000 pounds for it.

700

> > > pounds

> > > > > for

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > gem and 300 for the purification pooja.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I asked him to buy the gem but to purify

it

> > free

> > > > of

> > > > > > cost

> > > > > > > himself at his home and told him the method too

through

> > e-

> > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I never prescribe any havans or yagyas to

> > > anyone.

> > > > > Yes!

> > > > > > > Colour therapies, the daan or donations and self-

> > chanting

> > > of

> > > > > > > mantras, can be found in remedies given by me.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The best remedies are to bring changes in

> > > > lifestyle

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > behaviour. Sadly, everyone wants a quick-fix

solution.

> > One

> > > > > does

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > want to change one's own behaviour towards others,

but

> > > > expects

> > > > > > > others to change.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I often get the queries like, "Please

> > prescribe

> > > > some

> > > > > > > remedy so that my health and finances should improve

but

> > I

> > > > am

> > > > > > still

> > > > > > > able to drink and gamble to my satisfaction,

everyday."

> > > What

> > > > > can

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > suggest for such a person?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ashutosh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the

> > > astrology

> > > > > > group,

> > > > > > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > sharad kotak

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > Sunday, 12 February, 2006 13:25

> > > > > > > > Re:Jyotish Gem - P. Kumar

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear P. Kumar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I appreciated your efforts to bring the facts

to

> > the

> > > > > > > surface.Sooner or later , your capabilities will be

> > known

> > > to

> > > > > all.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks ,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > skotak

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > P Kumar <pkumar24@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Swee,

> > > > > > > > You should agree at one point - one who believes

in

> > > and

> > > > > > > recommends a gemstone must be a good astrologer

> > himself /

> > > > > > herself.

> > > > > > > Now remember your visit to Mumbai when you stayed at

the

> > > > house

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > shri J.K.Dasgupta in Vashi, Mumbai. You were having

> > > > gemstones

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > sale with you, almost all of which cost more than

Rs.

> > > > 50,000/-

> > > > > .

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > (Praveen Kumar then), along with others discussed

> > > astrology

> > > > > with

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > and had shown you my and my mother's horoscopes. My

> > mother

> > > > is

> > > > > > 100%

> > > > > > > paralyzed and suffered in almost all respects.

However,

> > > you

> > > > > > > appreciated her horoscope, had given some favourable

> > > > comments

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > her health, even talked about a career for her,

declared

> > > her

> > > > > > married

> > > > > > > life very happy etc etc. which all was complete

> > nonsense.

> > > > > After

> > > > > > > describing the facts by me, you had justified the

same

> > > with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > horoscope. In other readings too, nobody there was

> > > impressed

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > your astrological competence. Neither you have

> > > demonstrated

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > astrological skills here on this forum of vedic

> > astrology

> > > > > > > convincingly. Persons

> > > > > > > > like you always elude to comment over unknown

> > > > horoscope.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My question is that when you can't predict

> > > efficiently,

> > > > > how

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > you come to know what would have been the results

> > without

> > > a

> > > > > > gemstone

> > > > > > > and that the particular stone has benefited the

native.

> > If

> > > > you

> > > > > > > recommend a stone despite all this, what people

should

> > > think

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > you ? This is for all astrologers (or quacks) who

sell

> > > > > gemstones

> > > > > > > themselves or get hefty commission from the

Jewelers. It

> > > is

> > > > > most

> > > > > > > unfortunate that people having blind faith in

astrology

> > > get

> > > > > > cheated

> > > > > > > of their hard earned money.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Will you stop all this now or will arrange for

some

> > > > > messages

> > > > > > > protecting you by stating that you are a good

astrologer

> > > and

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > had been benefited by you. Incidentally, I remind

the

> > > > warning

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Shri K.N.Rao - " Never get impressed by the fact

that

> > one

> > > > has

> > > > > > > authored books on astrology or is the so called

(even

> > self

> > > > > > > proclaimed) Guru - always ask him first to tell

> > something

> > > > > about

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > himself / herself, only then go ahead".

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have written all this to warn innocent people

here

> > > > lest

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > should get cheated. One should avoid consulting

> > > astrologers

> > > > > who

> > > > > > sell

> > > > > > > gemstone themselves or insist on purchasing from

> > > particular

> > > > > > > jewellers or offer to do poojas and remedies for you

on

> > > > > > exorbitant

> > > > > > > payments. They can do nothing good to you except

> > depriving

> > > > you

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > your hard earned money.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > "Swee Chan" <swee@>

> > > > > > > > <vedic astrology>; "SJCA"

<SJC-

> > > > > > > Africa>; <sohamsa>

> > > > > > > > Cc: "'Sanjay Rath'" <sanjayrath@>; "Sarbani"

> > > > > > > <sarbani@>; "'RICHARD SHAW BROWN'" <rsb@>

> > > > > > > > Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:01 AM

> > > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem

> > Clarity

> > > &

> > > > > > Naga

> > > > > > > Mani

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Arjun,

> > > > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I fully agree that those who know nothing

about

> > > > > gemstones

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > intrinsic values should not recommend them.

Let's

> > > look

> > > > > at

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > this way, if a

> > > > > > > > > patient goes to a general practitioner with a

> > heart

> > > > > > ailment,

> > > > > > > what will that

> > > > > > > > > doctor do? He will do his ethical duty to

> > recommend

> > > > the

> > > > > > > patient to a heart

> > > > > > > > > surgeon. Agree?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > We as jyotishas who are intricately linked

with

> > > > > gemstones,

> > > > > > > will not only

> > > > > > > > > recommend a gemstone, but will take it a step

> > > further

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > search for the

> > > > > > > > > best gemstone we can as d in the

shastras

> > > to

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > clients. We

> > > > > > > > > consider this our duty to ensure that he/she

is

> > > given

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > best. It is also

> > > > > > > > > based on the person's karma to obtain what is

> > > > prescribed

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > them. Some of

> > > > > > > > > the people who consult me wait for a long time

for

> > a

> > > > > fine

> > > > > > > gemstone while for

> > > > > > > > > some, we have it immediately under our tuck.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have seen so much rubbish gemstones worn by

> > people

> > > > all

> > > > > > over.

> > > > > > > If one cannot

> > > > > > > > > afford it, maybe next time round (next life)

they

> > > > will.

> > > > > If

> > > > > > > karma has it that

> > > > > > > > > we are destined to deal in gemstones, that's

the

> > way

> > > > the

> > > > > > > cookie crumbles due

> > > > > > > > > to our punya!!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > For those who keep on accusing us of making

money

> > by

> > > > > > > prescribing gemstones,

> > > > > > > > > I only have one thing to ask - Do you get paid

for

> > > > your

> > > > > > job at

> > > > > > > the end of

> > > > > > > > > each month or will you ask your boss to offer

you

> > > what

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > thinks you are

> > > > > > > > > worth at the end of each month? Thank you, I

rest

> > my

> > > > > case.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rahu's gemstone is prescribed in special

cases.

> > > There

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > several hints in

> > > > > > > > > the classics and BPHS and my especial

favourite,

> > > > > > Jyotisharnava

> > > > > > > Navanitam

> > > > > > > > > that helps the jytoisha to ascertain whether

> > he/she

> > > > > should

> > > > > > > prescribe that

> > > > > > > > > gemstone. I promise I will detail this in my

book.

> > > > > > > > > Gomeda is not exclusive to Hessonite as made

out

> > by

> > > > ALL

> > > > > > > translators who are

> > > > > > > > > not versed in the science of gemstones.

Period.

> > > > > > > > > In Garuda Purana, it is said that it brings

wealth

> > > to

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > bearer besides

> > > > > > > > > helping to correct other health issues.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Those who are sick will certainly benefit from

> > > resting

> > > > > > under a

> > > > > > > tree (or

> > > > > > > > > hugging it). It is also dependant of the type

of

> > > tree,

> > > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > it? Believe me,

> > > > > > > > > you wouldn't want to hug an acacia spp!!! If

it

> > was

> > > > 100%

> > > > > > > beneficial, then no

> > > > > > > > > one will ever need to build a house nor visit

an

> > > > > > astrologer or

> > > > > > > a doctor.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > By the way, I am still waiting for your +20

> > > > combinations

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > eye problems as

> > > > > > > > > your second message as a repeat of the first.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > Swee

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] On

Behalf

> > > Of

> > > > > > > panditarjun2004

> > > > > > > > > Friday, February 10, 2006 8:54 PM

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem

Clarity

> > &

> > > > > Naga

> > > > > > Mani

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dear kumarji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i fully agree with your remarks. my statement

on

> > > > > amitabh

> > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > benefited by kashmiri neelam is based on the

> > > > revelations

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > astrologer and other fellow astrologers in

various

> > > > > > groups.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i myself do not believe in stones and have not

> > > > > recommended

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > stone

> > > > > > > > > to a single person till date. in various

threads

> > in

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > groups i

> > > > > > > > > lamented that stones were not recommended by

any

> > > holy

> > > > > > > scripture and

> > > > > > > > > the recent newfound support from narada purana

> > also

> > > > was

> > > > > > > unheard

> > > > > > > > > before. also somewhere i read that humans,

> > > > > animals/birds,

> > > > > > > > > trees/plants and stones attract energies from

the

> > > > > planets

> > > > > > > 100%, 75%,

> > > > > > > > > 50% and 25% respectively and hence stones

which

> > > > attract

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > 25%

> > > > > > > > > energy are not worth their money for their 25%

> > > > effect.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i still fail to understand how stones are

> > > recommended

> > > > > for

> > > > > > rank

> > > > > > > > > malefics rahu and ketu as seen in several

messages

> > > in

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > group.

> > > > > > > > > since these two are painted as beneficial

planets

> > by

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > researchers who are vairagya and moksha

karakas,

> > may

> > > > be

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > stones

> > > > > > > > > are recommended for gaining vairagya and

moksha.

> > > only

> > > > > > those

> > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > recommend these stones can answer better.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > anyway, i endorse your views on stones but

without

> > > any

> > > > > > > criticism on

> > > > > > > > > the stone believers.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > > > arjun

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "P

Kumar"

> > > > > > <pkumar24@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Do you know the strength of horoscope of

Amitabh

> > > > > > Bachchan ?

> > > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > > stones work that much, why he reached at the

verge

> > > of

> > > > > > > bankruptcy at

> > > > > > > > > some juncture ? Why did he suffer health wise

(and

> > > > > > remember we

> > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > know everything about his bad health) so

> > seriously ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Tell those Gem-stone selling astrologers to

give

> > > > > > > interpretation on

> > > > > > > > > strangers' horoscopes and see their caliber.

> > > > Everything

> > > > > > else

> > > > > > > is much

> > > > > > > > > easier.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My take on gemstones is that it should be

used

> > > more

> > > > > as

> > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > ornament. Gemstones for functionally benefic

> > planets

> > > > may

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > preferred. Nothing can radically change your

> > > destiny,

> > > > at

> > > > > > least

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > this life. Rather, taking help of mantras and

> > > devotion

> > > > > to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > God is

> > > > > > > > > more important. Following a simple life

helping

> > the

> > > > > needy

> > > > > > ones

> > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > give you inner peace and spiritual

advancement.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@>

> > > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > > > > > > > Friday, February 10, 2006 12:46 AM

> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem

> > Clarity

> > > &

> > > > > > Naga

> > > > > > > Mani

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > dear friend kumarji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > you are right in saying that selling

stones is

> > > > more

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > for priviliged people like amitabh bachhan

who

> > > > wears

> > > > > > > genuine

> > > > > > > > > > > flawless kashmiri blue sapphire, stones

work.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > for those who cannot afford gems, color

> > therapy

> > > > > (akin

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > gem

> > > > > > > > > > > therapy) is an inexpensive inhouse

> alternative.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > till date i could not find any vedic

scripture

> > > > > > > recommending

> > > > > > > > > stones

> > > > > > > > > > > and have not recommended stones to any one.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > > > > > arjun

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "P

> > > Kumar"

> > > > > > > <pkumar24@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Don't run after gems. It is more a

business

> > > than

> > > > > > > anything else.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > "harjeet_bakshi" <harjeet_bakshi@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:00 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish

Gem

> > > > Clarity

> > > > > &

> > > > > > > Naga Mani

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > respected sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > earlier you had adviced me for wearing

a

> > ruby

> > > > > > (being a

> > > > > > > scorpio

> > > > > > > > > > > asc),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > instead of a diamond(which some

astrologer

> > > > told

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > because of

> > > > > > > > > > > problems

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in relationships).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > about clearity of gems.. like rubies

and

> > > > > emerald,

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > would be

> > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > expensive for unflawed gem as most of

them

> > > > have

> > > > > > > impurities

> > > > > > > > > > > included by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > default which are seen by naked eye

> > itself.

> > > so

> > > > > it

> > > > > > wont

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > advisable to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wear them if one cant afford the gems

in

> > > > purest

> > > > > > form.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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