HOW TO KNOW ISHTA DEVATA BY JYOTISHA METHODS.

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dear friend dordor

 

since you replied to my mail without any sambodhana, i presumed it

is addressed to me and hence replying.

 

my observations on ishtadevata and other forms of devatas are clear

and hence i never suggest what ishtadevata a person shall worship

and it is an individual's choice, freedom and discretion without any

imposition.

 

i do not believe in suggestion of mantras based on letters or signs

or houses or planets. yes i do believe all satvik daivik mantras

are meant for all people alike. hence i am not replying to your

query on mantras starting with the letters denoted by a sign.

 

with best wishes

arjun

 

, dor dor <dokostyan

wrote:

>

> Nice!

> 1. I'm happy to see you so far from my first "?"

> 2. I'm surprised to see how people who bielive in Jotish are

talking about "choosing devata by jotish significators is wrong,

not needed, true bhakta doesn't do like this" etc. I didn't ask

about true bhakta. I just wanna know if somebody understand what

does shani in 12-th house from karakamsha in navamsa mean.thank

you.

>

> OK.

> Does anyone know a system of chacking mantra by its first letter

and Rashi? Does it really work? My Rasi is Mina, so letters of

piscies, cancer and scorpio are good for me according to this

system (ra, la, va,ya, ai, cha, ja etc) But I love Ka. If I make

japa with Krim or Klim or Kalikayai namah I will go crazy, won't I?)

Freinds, If you do not know the point please do not replay. Sorry

for my so-called English)

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: dear

mohanraam ji

>

> your and your guruji's observation of ishtadevata and kuladevata

is

> perfect and as per shastras. in many cases when checked with

the

> horoscopes we find the ishtadevata different from their aradhya

> devata hence i differentiated. in some parts of north india ram

or

> krishan is their aradhya devata irrespective of what their

> ishadevata is based on their horoscopes.

>

> besides these you have not touched the pratyaksha devatas or

visible

> gods whom they owe allegiance and keep blind faith and worship

their

> photos on a daily basis including chanting of their tailor made

> aratis.

>

> the last entrant of the list is guru-devatas who are gaining

more

> popularity and some gurus have started advising their disciples

that

> guru is everything and they shall worship them only and if they

do

> so, they need not do any worship to any other god.

>

> in this backdrop, i give the freedom of choice to a native to

choose

> which form or manifestation of god he or she wish to worship.

for

> example, few people surrendered themselves to me with blind

faith

> and then i had to deliver miraculous results to them as if i am

> their god.

>

> all these happen only with the grace of god and let us all serve

the

> suffering in whichever form they wish to receive it.

>

> with best wishes and regards

> arjun

> , "mohanraaam"

> <mohanraaam@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pandit Arjunji:

> >

> > You have voiced wonderful words of wisdom. But, I wish to

> moderate

> > your views to some extent (I am still a student, so do not

take

> > offence if my views are immature). According to my Guruji,

Ishta

> > Devataa is the Divine Form that strikes a personal affinity in

the

> > subconscious of an individual on the first acquaintanceship

with

> the

> > form itself! Guruji used to say that this is due to latent

> effects of

> > upaasaanas of the earlier births when the native had an

intense

> > affinity to the form of the Divine. You seem to denote this

with

> the

> > term "Araadya Devata". Ofcourse, Kula Devata is the Divine

Form

> that

> > is worshipped continuously for generations in one's family and

> Guruji

> > used to say that one should not neglect the worship of Kula

Devata

> > regardless of whether it becomes one's Ishta Devataa or

not.....

> >

> > Upaasanaa Devataas are Divine Forms which are worshipped by

> Sadhanaas

> > by an individual usually due to preponderance of Rajsik or

tamsik

> > gunas (i.e. to accomplish certain siddhis and tasks).

Selection

> of

> > this upaasanaa Devataas should be in strict accordance with

rules

> of

> > astrology. When the purpose is Satwik, like for emancipation

of

> one's

> > soul, removal of sufferings of others, etc., we need not check

for

> > suitability of the DEvata from astrological chart. At least,

this

> is

> > my understanding of Guruji Dakshinamoorthiji's teachings on

this

> > subject. Kindly correct me wherever I am wrong.

> >

> > Best wishes.

> >

> > Dakshinamoorthidaas.

> > , "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini ji

> > >

> > > due to your active participation we are learning so many

things

> > > these days in a rational way.

> > >

> > > i personally do not believe in the ishtadevata playing a

> prominent

> > > role for a native based on the longitude of a planet and the

> planet

> > > behind in a divisional chart.

> > >

> > > other than the ishtadevata, most families in india are more

> attached

> > > to worshipping their kuladevatas which they keep worshipping

for

> > > generations.

> > >

> > > over and above the ishta and kula, some natives develop

special

> > > bhakti towards a particular god or goddess and they start

> > > worshipping that form which they call aradhya devata.

> > >

> > > to make the list longer, we also have some pratyaksha

devatas

> like

> > > the late shirdi saibaba or living puttaparti satya saibaba

> (besides

> > > many godmen in various states) whose disciples worship their

> > > lifesize photos as gods and read their own aratis as they

are

> their

> > > pratyaksha devatas.

> > >

> > > though not devatas, most rich families have thier own gurus

and

> they

> > > treat their gurus as their guru-devatas (jai gurudev)and

consult

> > > these gurudevs for doing any and everything.

> > >

> > > so, in my opinion, the ishtadevata has no such great

emphasis

> and a

> > > native can worship any form of god as he/she feels like, for

the

> > > vedas clearly state "ekam sat, vipraaa bahudhaa vadanti".

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > arjun

> > >

> > > , "auromirra19"

> > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected RR ji,

> > > >

> > > > First my apology to the forum I dont know why my post gets

> > > > replicated at times.

> > > > I also find atheists become greater bhaktas if at all they

> choose

> > > to

> > > > be because as you said they are too passionate, be it

onthis

> side

> > > or

> > > > the other.Yes you are right. I want to truly go about

learning

> > > > Astrology but am flummoxed by the numerous

approaches/systems

> and

> > > > would'nt know where and what to start.

> > > > The Mahadashas and the antardashas of the karmic planets

like

> > > > Saturn, which teach a lesson or two or venus, during whose

> dasha

> > > > natives are said to acquire material comforts, do they

give

> the

> > > > native their slant?

> > > > Can jolly fellows become truly gloomy/pessimistic? and

vice

> versa

> > > > and do they bounce back, shake off their mantle?

> > > > Because lessons learnt normally do remain for a life time,

I

> am

> > > > talking about this life time I woudnt know about

pastlives ,

> as i

> > > am

> > > > finding it difficult recollecting experiences of this

lifetime

> > > even.

> > > > It it also true that these shape the native in the ever

> learning

> > > > process life is. Is there any way to cushion the fall,when

you

> > > know

> > > > you are falling, taking notes from the planets?

> > > > regards

> > > > Nalini

> > > > , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Auromirra,

> > > > >

> > > > > My two cents. I think, based on the little experience

that I

> > > > > remember clearly (i.e., acquired in this lifetime!)

> > > the 'atheists'

> > > > > are generally more passionate and committed in a sense

than

> > > > > the 'bhaktas'. Atheists tend to ask questions, have an

> easier

> > > task

> > > > > in general because overall it is easier to disprove the

> > > existence

> > > > of

> > > > > God and even spiritual realm than otherwise! Given the

> *reality*

> > > > > most of us have chosen to live in!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regarding dashas, there are problems: Which dashas are

you

> > > > > specifically talking about (books and articles abound

with

> at

> > > > times

> > > > > each chart and event being explained by a different

dasha --

> > > kind

> > > > of

> > > > > like the tropical/western asteroid scene -- and everyone

> here

> > > can

> > > > > vouch that I am not a cynic! ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, dasha of what kind of planet? What kind of role it

is

> > > > playing,

> > > > > how strongly, how so qualitatively (reminds me of the

ruby

> > > wedding

> > > > > ring I wrote about minutes ago and the granddaughter).

> > > > >

> > > > > If arudhas are about Maya and appearances or external

> > > perceptions

> > > > > (perceived appearances) as Jaimini scholars tell us,

maybe

> > > > > atmakarakas coming from the same systems should not be

> > > > automatically

> > > > > taken as some sort of core descriptor, that too just

based

> on

> > > the

> > > > > longitude. Those who have really delved into the core of

> self

> > > and

> > > > > others, hopefully agree that one planet would not be

able to

> > > > explain

> > > > > it that easily, that readily!

> > > > >

> > > > > Some of us have experienced few births, others have

> experienced

> > > > many

> > > > > if not 8400000! Some even claim to remember a few of

those!

> > > > > Obviously, it is not a simple story!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "auromirra19"

> > > > > <nalini2818@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > > Is it possible that natives turn to Gods and worship

> during a

> > > > > > particular dasha even having been atheists and non

> believers?

> > > > > > Similarly do natives who turn spiritual during certain

> dasha

> > > get

> > > > > > back to the mundane or rather become less inclined

> spiritually

> > > > at

> > > > > > the expiry of the dasha? As I understand that dashas

and

> > > > > > atmakaraks .... are responsible for the convictions,

> beliefs,

> > > > > > religion, spirituality, worship, materialism, etc.

> > > > > > or Is it that the basic signature of the chart

remains

> > > > unchanged

> > > > > > and the above are more pronounced or come to the

forefront

> > > > during

> > > > > a

> > > > > > particular dasha?

> > > > > > Because I have found people suddenly from being

atheists

> > > become

> > > > > > ardent devotees. How is this phenomenon astrologically

> > > explained?

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > Nalini

> > > > > > , vattem

krishnan

> > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > > > > Mistakes/aberrations/inconsistencies emnates

during

> > > > > > dashaas..otherwise a normal humanbeing very vociferous

> about

> > > his

> > > > > > attitudes do not normally deviate from his

> thinking/conduct of

> > > > > life

> > > > > > but for the influence externally taking place (through

> some

> > > > > > teachings/readings).

> > > > > > > In the pursuit of truth whether through bhakti

> > > marga/vedanta

> > > > > or

> > > > > > through other means(meta physical aspects) human

beings

> > > normally

> > > > > get

> > > > > > stranded and find themselves impressed by a school of

> > > > > thought.More

> > > > > > than this as a choice,things do happen beyond their

> control

> > > and

> > > > > > later find that change has noconviction.

> > > > > > > Bhakti may be a wavering aspect as environment

tends

> to

> > > > > > influence all living beings.Few would certainly

understand

> and

> > > > > find

> > > > > > the path to tread is definete and imbibe in their

thoughts

> and

> > > > > > mind.It is therefore beyond us to measure the extent

of

> bhakti

> > > > > they

> > > > > > endorse.

> > > > > > > God forbid such change as all convictions arise

out of

> > > faith

> > > > > and

> > > > > > do not merit any grade.Humans have definete way of

life to

> > > fear

> > > > at

> > > > > > things beyond control and would always enedeavour to

> improve

> > > > their

> > > > > > confidence.In the process the prayers(iam not

referring

> here

> > > to

> > > > > > bhakti) become handy to address to a Supreme lord(be

it

> > > > > > Allah/Jesus/Mary/Bahai).This helps the native to come

out

> from

> > > > his

> > > > > > hallow and find that much of time utilised for praying

> helps

> > > the

> > > > > > native to tackle his future by growing confidence.

> > > > > > > Problem for most of the natives is they identify

their

> own

> > > > > > targets(has it's own base through jyotish).desire to

> pursue

> > > but

> > > > > find

> > > > > > to fail in efforts and others do not have any means to

> chart

> > > > their

> > > > > > own life and remain in their own world.In the process

the

> > > > > > environment in which they exist influence and get

> convinced

> > > and

> > > > > > pursue the path.others think of their inability and

look

> for

> > > the

> > > > > > Almighty to stand by them to achieve their targets.So

this

> > > > > approach

> > > > > > has certainly has no link with bahkti.People admit

their

> > > > > > helplessness and resort to prayers to boost their own

> levels

> > > > > > abilities through confidence to handle their

> situations.These

> > > > > > processes find somebody worshipping Hindu God (may be

> Ishata

> > > > > Devata)

> > > > > > others some other Gods.very few no prayer and no God.

> > > > > > > Ishta Devata normally is not identified as a

matter of

> > > > > > choice.families have their own deities known as Kula

> Devatas

> > > > > though

> > > > > > not declared but intend to meet occassionally and use

time

> for

> > > > > some

> > > > > > reverrance and express their gratitude to the Supreme.

> Their

> > > > > outlook

> > > > > > to Nature includes an External Force that guides one

and

> all

> > > and

> > > > > > rever to that faith.Ishta devatas accordingly are

promoted

> and

> > > > > > scriptures to envisage .In modern times where people

have

> lot

> > > of

> > > > > > deviations coming out of explosion of communications

> become

> > > > > > evaporative and vascillate between different faiths

and

> > > > > > religions.ofcourse there is unity in diversity

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Though not absolute and definitive and can be

arguably

> > > > > defended,

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > fact that some people change their religion, several

> times,

> > > > and

> > > > > > > allegience to deities and prophets more than once,

> indicates

> > > > to

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > that even there there is freedom of choice and room

for

> > > making

> > > > > > > mistakes and errors and yet getting back into track

> > > eventually.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > True bhakti and allegience should not be influenced

> strongly

> > > > by

> > > > > > > dashas and transits, one would surmise, but real

life

> > > evidence

> > > > > > > indicates that bhakti is not all that constant or

> written in

> > > > > > stone,

> > > > > > > metaphorically speaking!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , vattem

krishnan

> > > > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > > > > > Incase you want to choose(is there any choice?)

Ishta

> > > > devata

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > moon in debilitation in kujas sign could naturally

be

> > > swayambhu

> > > > > > > (SIVA) or other way mother nature durga as

atamakarak is

> sun

> > > > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dor dor <dokostyan@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Pandits and friends.

> > > > > > > > In different traditions Shani said to be a

> significator

> > > > of

> > > > > > > Narayan- Pradjapati-Yama-Kurmavatar and so on. Some

> tantric

> > > > > > sources

> > > > > > > say that Kali also can show Shani.

> > > > > > > > Many years ago I was initiated in Tantric mantra

of

> > > > > > Mahalakshmi

> > > > > > > and I meditated on it in regular metter. I was a

very

> young

> > > > and

> > > > > > did

> > > > > > > just what respected adultes told me to do. I had

some

> good

> > > > > > moments

> > > > > > > in my practice, but for a few year I started to

realise

> it

> > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > my mantra, not my Devata .Now I spontaniously see

in my

> > > > > > meditation

> > > > > > > black naced lady with golden decorations and feel

> bliss. I

> > > am

> > > > > > > Vrishchik with Chandra in Mina, Surya as

Atmakaraka. In

> > > > Navamsa

> > > > > > 12-

> > > > > > > th house from Surya is Cancer with re-moving Shani.

> Cold

> > > > anyone

> > > > > > > kindly tell me anything about a corect way to

choose

> Ishta

> > > in

> > > > > my

> > > > > > > case. Thank you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@>

wrote:

> dear

> > > > > > > ashutosh ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > while appreciating and endorsing all your views

> > > mentioned

> > > > in

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > mail, i feel it is not prudent to share threads

of

> Vedic

> > > > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > group in this group that too without the

knowledge

> of

> > > > those

> > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > since most of them are not active here. Few

> astrologers

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > started cross posting which is not good. the

> objective

> > > of

> > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > cross posting members is that he put his (right

or

> > > wrong)

> > > > > view

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > the top of a thread and post it in another group

and

> > > when

> > > > > none

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > the members in the thread answer, this cross

poster

> got

> > > > his

> > > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > scored and gets an image in that group. this is

a

> cheap

> > > > > > > technique

> > > > > > > > used by people who wish to earn fame by hook.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > i have already requested tanvir ji in a private

mail

> > > about

> > > > > > these

> > > > > > > > cross postings and if he allows such most

> knowledgeful

> > > > > > members'

> > > > > > > > views masked by this cross poster in this group

> without

> > > > even

> > > > > > > making

> > > > > > > > them aware.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ashutoshji, needless to say i agree 100% with

your

> views

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > opinions and my lament is only about cross

posting

> and

> > > not

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > with best wishes and regards

> > > > > > > > arjun

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , "astrologerashutosh"

> > > > > > > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear members,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A lot of bashing of

> gemstone

> > > > > > > prescribing

> > > > > > > > astrologers is going on. The alternative to

> gemstones

> > > has

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > as worship of god and mantras, by some members.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I do not believe in any god or

religion.

> But,

> > > I

> > > > > > > prescribe

> > > > > > > > gemstones to those who can afford them. To say

that

> the

> > > > gems

> > > > > > > have no

> > > > > > > > effect at all is also a hardline opposition,

which

> again

> > > > is

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > healthy approach to this subject.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But, it is not a simple matter to

> prescribe

> > > gems

> > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > analysing a horoscope. Only one or two gems, at

> most,

> > > are

> > > > > > > suitable

> > > > > > > > for any individual. Sometimes, no gems at all

are

> > > required

> > > > > and

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > few

> > > > > > > > simple changes in lifestyle are enough a

solutions.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have personally observed the

effects of

> gems

> > > > on

> > > > > > > myself

> > > > > > > > and others. They work very well and have

excellent

> > > results

> > > > > if

> > > > > > > worn

> > > > > > > > in the right way.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > About the chanting of mantras and

> worships.

> > > > Belief

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > very strong force. For one who is a believer in

God,

> > > > worship

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > potent solution. But, peforming havans and grand

> poojas

> > > is

> > > > > > many

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > times a pretty worse remedy than wearing

expensive

> > > > > gemstones.

> > > > > > > Not

> > > > > > > > every astrologer knows the correct methods of

> performing

> > > > > > yagyas.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Has anyone wondered why the priest-

cum-

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > emphasising more on havans and yagyas than

> gemstones?

> > > Here

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > actual reason-

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Suppose, a client contacts me and I

> prescribe

> > > a

> > > > > > Yellow

> > > > > > > > Sapphire for him. He has no compulsion to buy

the

> > > sapphire

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > He has a lot of choices like his family

jeweller,

> his

> > > > friend

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > knows some good dealer, a good contact in a good

> place,

> > > > etc.

> > > > > > If

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > emphasise on him buying the gem only from me, he

> will

> > > > > suspect

> > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > integrity straightaway.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But, for poojas, I can always

emphasize

> that a

> > > > > havan

> > > > > > > > prescribed by me can be performed correctly only

> under

> > > my

> > > > > > > guidance.

> > > > > > > > It also gives a religious aura to the

proceedings

> which

> > > is

> > > > > > > enough to

> > > > > > > > cloud most of the people's reasonings. Then,

even if

> the

> > > > > cost

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > havan is more than any normal gemstone's price,

the

> > > client

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > faithfully pay for it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The same people who hesitate to wear

a

> > > gemstone

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > found to spend double the amount on Kaal Sarpa

> poojas,

> > > > > > > > Mahamrityunjaya yagyas and so on.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When one buys a gem, at least he has

> something

> > > > > > worthy

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > his finger which has some value. What about a

havan

> or

> > > > > yagya?

> > > > > > > > Whether it is performed correctly or not, the

> individual

> > > > is

> > > > > > left

> > > > > > > > with only the blessings and ashes in the havan

> kunda.

> > > Only

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > priest is happy and with a heavy pocket.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The gems need not be very expesive

and

> > > flawless.

> > > > > > Some

> > > > > > > > inclusions, silk, fibres are permitted. Even

though

> a

> > > gem

> > > > > may

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > expensive, it may not be astrologically suitable

to

> be

> > > > worn.

> > > > > > On

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > other hand, a cheap and simple gem may give

> excellent

> > > > > results.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A good astrologer earns so well from

> > > > consultations

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > that he does not really need any profit from the

> > > gemstone

> > > > > > sales.

> > > > > > > The

> > > > > > > > gemstone business has its own headaches and no

> serious

> > > > > > > astrologer

> > > > > > > > prefers to get embroiled in it. I get gemstones

only

> for

> > > > > those

> > > > > > > > clients who are not able to get them from

anywhere

> else,

> > > > due

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > their lack of experience or knowledge or

contacts.

> > > Still,

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > fear

> > > > > > > > that my honesty and integrity are at stake,

keeps

> > > haunting

> > > > > me,

> > > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > though my clients have their full faith in me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Those who lack astrological

expertise seek

> to

> > > > earn

> > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > gemstone sales and havan-poojas. I had received

an

> email

> > > > > from

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > person from UK who told me that a Guruji has

> recommended

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > him and he will charge around 1000 pounds for

it.

> 700

> > > > pounds

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > gem and 300 for the purification pooja.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I asked him to buy the gem but to

purify

> it

> > > free

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > cost

> > > > > > > > himself at his home and told him the method too

> through

> > > e-

> > > > > > mail.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I never prescribe any havans or

yagyas to

> > > > anyone.

> > > > > > Yes!

> > > > > > > > Colour therapies, the daan or donations and self-

> > > chanting

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > mantras, can be found in remedies given by me.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The best remedies are to bring

changes in

> > > > > lifestyle

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > behaviour. Sadly, everyone wants a quick-fix

> solution.

> > > One

> > > > > > does

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > want to change one's own behaviour towards

others,

> but

> > > > > expects

> > > > > > > > others to change.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I often get the queries

like, "Please

> > > prescribe

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > remedy so that my health and finances should

improve

> but

> > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > still

> > > > > > > > able to drink and gamble to my satisfaction,

> everyday."

> > > > What

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > suggest for such a person?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ashutosh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on

the

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > > group,

> > > > > > > > but consultations on personal e-mail are

chargeable]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > sharad kotak

> > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > Sunday, 12 February, 2006 13:25

> > > > > > > > > Re:Jyotish Gem - P. Kumar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear P. Kumar,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I appreciated your efforts to bring the

facts

> to

> > > the

> > > > > > > > surface.Sooner or later , your capabilities will

be

> > > known

> > > > to

> > > > > > all.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks ,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > skotak

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > P Kumar <pkumar24@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Swee,

> > > > > > > > > You should agree at one point - one who

believes

> in

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > recommends a gemstone must be a good astrologer

> > > himself /

> > > > > > > herself.

> > > > > > > > Now remember your visit to Mumbai when you

stayed at

> the

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > shri J.K.Dasgupta in Vashi, Mumbai. You were

having

> > > > > gemstones

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > sale with you, almost all of which cost more

than

> Rs.

> > > > > 50,000/-

> > > > > > .

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > (Praveen Kumar then), along with others

discussed

> > > > astrology

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > and had shown you my and my mother's horoscopes.

My

> > > mother

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > 100%

> > > > > > > > paralyzed and suffered in almost all respects.

> However,

> > > > you

> > > > > > > > appreciated her horoscope, had given some

favourable

> > > > > comments

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > her health, even talked about a career for her,

> declared

> > > > her

> > > > > > > married

> > > > > > > > life very happy etc etc. which all was complete

> > > nonsense.

> > > > > > After

> > > > > > > > describing the facts by me, you had justified

the

> same

> > > > with

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > horoscope. In other readings too, nobody there

was

> > > > impressed

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > your astrological competence. Neither you have

> > > > demonstrated

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > astrological skills here on this forum of vedic

> > > astrology

> > > > > > > > convincingly. Persons

> > > > > > > > > like you always elude to comment over

unknown

> > > > > horoscope.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My question is that when you can't predict

> > > > efficiently,

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > you come to know what would have been the

results

> > > without

> > > > a

> > > > > > > gemstone

> > > > > > > > and that the particular stone has benefited the

> native.

> > > If

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > recommend a stone despite all this, what people

> should

> > > > think

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > you ? This is for all astrologers (or quacks)

who

> sell

> > > > > > gemstones

> > > > > > > > themselves or get hefty commission from the

> Jewelers. It

> > > > is

> > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > unfortunate that people having blind faith in

> astrology

> > > > get

> > > > > > > cheated

> > > > > > > > of their hard earned money.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Will you stop all this now or will arrange

for

> some

> > > > > > messages

> > > > > > > > protecting you by stating that you are a good

> astrologer

> > > > and

> > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > had been benefited by you. Incidentally, I

remind

> the

> > > > > warning

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > Shri K.N.Rao - " Never get impressed by the fact

> that

> > > one

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > authored books on astrology or is the so called

> (even

> > > self

> > > > > > > > proclaimed) Guru - always ask him first to tell

> > > something

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > himself / herself, only then go ahead".

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have written all this to warn innocent

people

> here

> > > > > lest

> > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > should get cheated. One should avoid consulting

> > > > astrologers

> > > > > > who

> > > > > > > sell

> > > > > > > > gemstone themselves or insist on purchasing from

> > > > particular

> > > > > > > > jewellers or offer to do poojas and remedies for

you

> on

> > > > > > > exorbitant

> > > > > > > > payments. They can do nothing good to you except

> > > depriving

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > your hard earned money.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > "Swee Chan" <swee@>

> > > > > > > > > <vedic-

astrology>; "SJCA"

> <SJC-

> > > > > > > > Africa>;

<sohamsa>

> > > > > > > > > Cc: "'Sanjay Rath'" <sanjayrath@>; "Sarbani"

> > > > > > > > <sarbani@>; "'RICHARD SHAW BROWN'" <rsb@>

> > > > > > > > > Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:01 AM

> > > > > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish

Gem

> > > Clarity

> > > > &

> > > > > > > Naga

> > > > > > > > Mani

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Arjun,

> > > > > > > > > > Namaste

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I fully agree that those who know nothing

> about

> > > > > > gemstones

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > intrinsic values should not recommend

them.

> Let's

> > > > look

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > this way, if a

> > > > > > > > > > patient goes to a general practitioner

with a

> > > heart

> > > > > > > ailment,

> > > > > > > > what will that

> > > > > > > > > > doctor do? He will do his ethical duty to

> > > recommend

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > patient to a heart

> > > > > > > > > > surgeon. Agree?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > We as jyotishas who are intricately linked

> with

> > > > > > gemstones,

> > > > > > > > will not only

> > > > > > > > > > recommend a gemstone, but will take it a

step

> > > > further

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > search for the

> > > > > > > > > > best gemstone we can as d in the

> shastras

> > > > to

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > clients. We

> > > > > > > > > > consider this our duty to ensure that

he/she

> is

> > > > given

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > best. It is also

> > > > > > > > > > based on the person's karma to obtain what

is

> > > > > prescribed

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > them. Some of

> > > > > > > > > > the people who consult me wait for a long

time

> for

> > > a

> > > > > > fine

> > > > > > > > gemstone while for

> > > > > > > > > > some, we have it immediately under our

tuck.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have seen so much rubbish gemstones worn

by

> > > people

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > over.

> > > > > > > > If one cannot

> > > > > > > > > > afford it, maybe next time round (next

life)

> they

> > > > > will.

> > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > karma has it that

> > > > > > > > > > we are destined to deal in gemstones,

that's

> the

> > > way

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > cookie crumbles due

> > > > > > > > > > to our punya!!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > For those who keep on accusing us of

making

> money

> > > by

> > > > > > > > prescribing gemstones,

> > > > > > > > > > I only have one thing to ask - Do you get

paid

> for

> > > > > your

> > > > > > > job at

> > > > > > > > the end of

> > > > > > > > > > each month or will you ask your boss to

offer

> you

> > > > what

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > thinks you are

> > > > > > > > > > worth at the end of each month? Thank you,

I

> rest

> > > my

> > > > > > case.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu's gemstone is prescribed in special

> cases.

> > > > There

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > several hints in

> > > > > > > > > > the classics and BPHS and my especial

> favourite,

> > > > > > > Jyotisharnava

> > > > > > > > Navanitam

> > > > > > > > > > that helps the jytoisha to ascertain

whether

> > > he/she

> > > > > > should

> > > > > > > > prescribe that

> > > > > > > > > > gemstone. I promise I will detail this in

my

> book.

> > > > > > > > > > Gomeda is not exclusive to Hessonite as

made

> out

> > > by

> > > > > ALL

> > > > > > > > translators who are

> > > > > > > > > > not versed in the science of gemstones.

> Period.

> > > > > > > > > > In Garuda Purana, it is said that it

brings

> wealth

> > > > to

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > bearer besides

> > > > > > > > > > helping to correct other health issues.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Those who are sick will certainly benefit

from

> > > > resting

> > > > > > > under a

> > > > > > > > tree (or

> > > > > > > > > > hugging it). It is also dependant of the

type

> of

> > > > tree,

> > > > > > > isn't

> > > > > > > > it? Believe me,

> > > > > > > > > > you wouldn't want to hug an acacia spp!!!

If

> it

> > > was

> > > > > 100%

> > > > > > > > beneficial, then no

> > > > > > > > > > one will ever need to build a house nor

visit

> an

> > > > > > > astrologer or

> > > > > > > > a doctor.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > By the way, I am still waiting for your

+20

> > > > > combinations

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > eye problems as

> > > > > > > > > > your second message as a repeat of the

first.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Love,

> > > > > > > > > > Swee

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology]

On

> Behalf

> > > > Of

> > > > > > > > panditarjun2004

> > > > > > > > > > Friday, February 10, 2006 8:54 PM

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem

> Clarity

> > > &

> > > > > > Naga

> > > > > > > Mani

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > dear kumarji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > i fully agree with your remarks. my

statement

> on

> > > > > > amitabh

> > > > > > > > getting

> > > > > > > > > > benefited by kashmiri neelam is based on

the

> > > > > revelations

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > astrologer and other fellow astrologers in

> various

> > > > > > > groups.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > i myself do not believe in stones and have

not

> > > > > > recommended

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > stone

> > > > > > > > > > to a single person till date. in various

> threads

> > > in

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > groups i

> > > > > > > > > > lamented that stones were not recommended

by

> any

> > > > holy

> > > > > > > > scripture and

> > > > > > > > > > the recent newfound support from narada

purana

> > > also

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > unheard

> > > > > > > > > > before. also somewhere i read that

humans,

> > > > > > animals/birds,

> > > > > > > > > > trees/plants and stones attract energies

from

> the

> > > > > > planets

> > > > > > > > 100%, 75%,

> > > > > > > > > > 50% and 25% respectively and hence stones

> which

> > > > > attract

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > 25%

> > > > > > > > > > energy are not worth their money for their

25%

> > > > > effect.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > i still fail to understand how stones are

> > > > recommended

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > rank

> > > > > > > > > > malefics rahu and ketu as seen in several

> messages

> > > > in

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > group.

> > > > > > > > > > since these two are painted as beneficial

> planets

> > > by

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > researchers who are vairagya and moksha

> karakas,

> > > may

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > stones

> > > > > > > > > > are recommended for gaining vairagya and

> moksha.

> > > > only

> > > > > > > those

> > > > > > > > who

> > > > > > > > > > recommend these stones can answer better.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > anyway, i endorse your views on stones but

> without

> > > > any

> > > > > > > > criticism on

> > > > > > > > > > the stone believers.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > > > > arjun

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "P

> Kumar"

> > > > > > > <pkumar24@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Do you know the strength of horoscope of

> Amitabh

> > > > > > > Bachchan ?

> > > > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > > > stones work that much, why he reached at

the

> verge

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > bankruptcy at

> > > > > > > > > > some juncture ? Why did he suffer health

wise

> (and

> > > > > > > remember we

> > > > > > > > don't

> > > > > > > > > > know everything about his bad health) so

> > > seriously ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Tell those Gem-stone selling astrologers

to

> give

> > > > > > > > interpretation on

> > > > > > > > > > strangers' horoscopes and see their

caliber.

> > > > > Everything

> > > > > > > else

> > > > > > > > is much

> > > > > > > > > > easier.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My take on gemstones is that it should

be

> used

> > > > more

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > > ornament. Gemstones for functionally

benefic

> > > planets

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > preferred. Nothing can radically change

your

> > > > destiny,

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > least

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > this life. Rather, taking help of mantras

and

> > > > devotion

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > God is

> > > > > > > > > > more important. Following a simple life

> helping

> > > the

> > > > > > needy

> > > > > > > ones

> > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > give you inner peace and spiritual

> advancement.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004@>

> > > > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > > > > > > > > Friday, February 10, 2006 12:46 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish

Gem

> > > Clarity

> > > > &

> > > > > > > Naga

> > > > > > > > Mani

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend kumarji

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > you are right in saying that selling

> stones is

> > > > > more

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > > > > > for priviliged people like amitabh

bachhan

> who

> > > > > wears

> > > > > > > > genuine

> > > > > > > > > > > > flawless kashmiri blue sapphire,

stones

> work.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > for those who cannot afford gems,

color

> > > therapy

> > > > > > (akin

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > gem

> > > > > > > > > > > > therapy) is an inexpensive inhouse

> > alternative.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > till date i could not find any vedic

> scripture

> > > > > > > > recommending

> > > > > > > > > > stones

> > > > > > > > > > > > and have not recommended stones to any

one.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes

> > > > > > > > > > > > arjun

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic-

astrology, "P

> > > > Kumar"

> > > > > > > > <pkumar24@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't run after gems. It is more a

> business

> > > > than

> > > > > > > > anything else.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > > > "harjeet_bakshi"

<harjeet_bakshi@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 07, 2006

2:00 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re:

Jyotish

> Gem

> > > > > Clarity

> > > > > > &

> > > > > > > > Naga Mani

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected sir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > earlier you had adviced me for

wearing

> a

> > > ruby

> > > > > > > (being a

> > > > > > > > scorpio

> > > > > > > > > > > > asc),

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > instead of a diamond(which some

> astrologer

> > > > > told

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > because of

> > > > > > > > > > > > problems

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in relationships).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about clearity of gems.. like

rubies

> and

> > > > > > emerald,

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > would be

> > > > > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > expensive for unflawed gem as most

of

> them

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > impurities

> > > > > > > > > > > > included by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > default which are seen by naked

eye

> > > itself.

> > > > so

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > wont

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > advisable to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wear them if one cant afford the

gems

> in

> > > > > purest

> > > > > > > form.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > harjeet

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