The goal of astrology -- based on thoughts expressed earlier ... again!

February 19, 2006

Jyotish does have a goal, playmates!

When an infant is born, it has little memory, blurry senses, no

sense of what danger, love, protection, relationships is about. At

its mother's breast it learns to feel love, constancy, security and

the three of them rolled together. Then there are those other

infants who never experienced, or perceived or remembered those

beginnings and some turn our bad, others good.

The soul, most souls are born into similar confusion and know not

where they are going, even those who we later on look back and see

as successes and almost are sure they knew where they were heading.

How many such sharp-shooters and irritating know-it alls have you

known in life? I bet some of your fingers are still available for

things other than counting after you are done!

The infant grows up, knows where the food is, figures out how to get

benefit out of situations by proper behaviour through suppression of

instincts and then occasionally revolts and pays for it or escapes

at times. Gradually, these experiences teach him or her the rules to

abide by.

But the uncertainty really remains -- it changes its name, shape,

character. Will that girl love me? Will that boy be a good provider?

Will my children be healthy or even something more mundane: Will I

get that job, will the bank give me the loan, will I go abroad? Will

my lost daughter come home? Safe? Will the CAT scan come clean and

indicate that I dont have a tumor? Will this baby survive?

Uncertainties abound, not for all of us but for some -- for sure.

Medical science helps often, but not always. It helps one little to

know that only 0.001% end up paraplegic as a result of this

technique. "There are exactly 1000 individuals in my community and

none of them is a paraplegic. Would I be the statistic?

Psychology helps groups, as does sociology and epidemiologic

statistics, but who is there to even risk their neck and help the

individual? Who has the tools to even attempt that?

Astrology looks at individuals, maybe not all individuals (those

pesky twins!) but it has some potential, some tools that can attempt

to examine the fate of the individual, far more than any other

science or technique.

Even if it is not infalliable, its aim, its intention is clear, and

if sincerely studies and practices and developed, there is a very

well-carved niche for it -- the reduction of uncertainty of the

individual, who from the mother's breast to the grave has nothing

else that covers all areas of insecurity and uncertainty of

outcomes. At least the potential for that!

Hence I stay by its side, I am not an idiot, or blindly in love, I

simply realize that I am in the rapids, the river of life is violent

and this log may be my only chance of survival!

RR

February 19, 2006

May be a collective approach from Individual to groups,ideologies may be a

better way than to limit ourselves on the beaten path of few individuals and

their personal issues.This apart some mundane thoughts/touch would be to take

the subject to future.or summarise the individual apparoaches

psychologically,culturally and explore only to come out with unfied approach.

krishnan

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

Jyotish does have a goal, playmates!

When an infant is born, it has little memory, blurry senses, no

sense of what danger, love, protection, relationships is about. At

its mother's breast it learns to feel love, constancy, security and

the three of them rolled together. Then there are those other

infants who never experienced, or perceived or remembered those

beginnings and some turn our bad, others good.

The soul, most souls are born into similar confusion and know not

where they are going, even those who we later on look back and see

as successes and almost are sure they knew where they were heading.

How many such sharp-shooters and irritating know-it alls have you

known in life? I bet some of your fingers are still available for

things other than counting after you are done!

The infant grows up, knows where the food is, figures out how to get

benefit out of situations by proper behaviour through suppression of

instincts and then occasionally revolts and pays for it or escapes

at times. Gradually, these experiences teach him or her the rules to

abide by.

But the uncertainty really remains -- it changes its name, shape,

character. Will that girl love me? Will that boy be a good provider?

Will my children be healthy or even something more mundane: Will I

get that job, will the bank give me the loan, will I go abroad? Will

my lost daughter come home? Safe? Will the CAT scan come clean and

indicate that I dont have a tumor? Will this baby survive?

Uncertainties abound, not for all of us but for some -- for sure.

Medical science helps often, but not always. It helps one little to

know that only 0.001% end up paraplegic as a result of this

technique. "There are exactly 1000 individuals in my community and

none of them is a paraplegic. Would I be the statistic?

Psychology helps groups, as does sociology and epidemiologic

statistics, but who is there to even risk their neck and help the

individual? Who has the tools to even attempt that?

Astrology looks at individuals, maybe not all individuals (those

pesky twins!) but it has some potential, some tools that can attempt

to examine the fate of the individual, far more than any other

science or technique.

Even if it is not infalliable, its aim, its intention is clear, and

if sincerely studies and practices and developed, there is a very

well-carved niche for it -- the reduction of uncertainty of the

individual, who from the mother's breast to the grave has nothing

else that covers all areas of insecurity and uncertainty of

outcomes. At least the potential for that!

Hence I stay by its side, I am not an idiot, or blindly in love, I

simply realize that I am in the rapids, the river of life is violent

and this log may be my only chance of survival!

RR

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology

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February 19, 2006

Thanks for the exercise and chance to practice ;-)

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> May be a collective approach from Individual to groups,ideologies

may be a better way than to limit ourselves on the beaten path of

few individuals and their personal issues.This apart some mundane

thoughts/touch would be to take the subject to future.or summarise

the individual apparoaches psychologically,culturally and explore

only to come out with unfied approach.

> krishnan

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> Jyotish does have a goal, playmates!

>

> When an infant is born, it has little memory, blurry senses, no

> sense of what danger, love, protection, relationships is about. At

> its mother's breast it learns to feel love, constancy, security

and

> the three of them rolled together. Then there are those other

> infants who never experienced, or perceived or remembered those

> beginnings and some turn our bad, others good.

>

> The soul, most souls are born into similar confusion and know not

> where they are going, even those who we later on look back and see

> as successes and almost are sure they knew where they were heading.

>

> How many such sharp-shooters and irritating know-it alls have you

> known in life? I bet some of your fingers are still available for

> things other than counting after you are done!

>

> The infant grows up, knows where the food is, figures out how to

get

> benefit out of situations by proper behaviour through suppression

of

> instincts and then occasionally revolts and pays for it or escapes

> at times. Gradually, these experiences teach him or her the rules

to

> abide by.

>

> But the uncertainty really remains -- it changes its name, shape,

> character. Will that girl love me? Will that boy be a good

provider?

> Will my children be healthy or even something more mundane: Will I

> get that job, will the bank give me the loan, will I go abroad?

Will

> my lost daughter come home? Safe? Will the CAT scan come clean and

> indicate that I dont have a tumor? Will this baby survive?

>

> Uncertainties abound, not for all of us but for some -- for sure.

> Medical science helps often, but not always. It helps one little

to

> know that only 0.001% end up paraplegic as a result of this

> technique. "There are exactly 1000 individuals in my community and

> none of them is a paraplegic. Would I be the statistic?

>

> Psychology helps groups, as does sociology and epidemiologic

> statistics, but who is there to even risk their neck and help the

> individual? Who has the tools to even attempt that?

>

> Astrology looks at individuals, maybe not all individuals (those

> pesky twins!) but it has some potential, some tools that can

attempt

> to examine the fate of the individual, far more than any other

> science or technique.

>

> Even if it is not infalliable, its aim, its intention is clear,

and

> if sincerely studies and practices and developed, there is a very

> well-carved niche for it -- the reduction of uncertainty of the

> individual, who from the mother's breast to the grave has nothing

> else that covers all areas of insecurity and uncertainty of

> outcomes. At least the potential for that!

>

> Hence I stay by its side, I am not an idiot, or blindly in love, I

> simply realize that I am in the rapids, the river of life is

violent

> and this log may be my only chance of survival!

>

> RR

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

> Hindu astrology Vedic astrology Free vedic astrology

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

> What are the most popular cars? Find out at Autos

>

February 19, 2006

Respected members,

We are all definitely on the side of Jyotish whether we are

practicing astrology or seeking advice ( as a result of

uncertainities)..we wouldn't be part of this group

otherwise..question is, how committed are we to the goal of removing

uncertainity?? Do we tend to judge people based on their horoscope

without even having a chance to know the person?? Is this fair?? Are

we so good at our skills that we assume the right to do so??

Has any of you come across such instances or am I the only one :-)

I believe that at the end of it all its faith that helps..be it in

astrology or in God or maybe even in self (say for the atheist)

...different dieties represent different planets, why?? because God

is bigger than all of them, isn't that true? that's what gives

solace to the millions of souls on this planet whether they are even

aware of astrology or not.

with regards,

Shantala

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> Jyotish does have a goal, playmates!

>

> When an infant is born, it has little memory, blurry senses, no

> sense of what danger, love, protection, relationships is about. At

> its mother's breast it learns to feel love, constancy, security

and

> the three of them rolled together. Then there are those other

> infants who never experienced, or perceived or remembered those

> beginnings and some turn our bad, others good.

>

> The soul, most souls are born into similar confusion and know not

> where they are going, even those who we later on look back and see

> as successes and almost are sure they knew where they were heading.

>

> How many such sharp-shooters and irritating know-it alls have you

> known in life? I bet some of your fingers are still available for

> things other than counting after you are done!

>

> The infant grows up, knows where the food is, figures out how to

get

> benefit out of situations by proper behaviour through suppression

of

> instincts and then occasionally revolts and pays for it or escapes

> at times. Gradually, these experiences teach him or her the rules

to

> abide by.

>

> But the uncertainty really remains -- it changes its name, shape,

> character. Will that girl love me? Will that boy be a good

provider?

> Will my children be healthy or even something more mundane: Will I

> get that job, will the bank give me the loan, will I go abroad?

Will

> my lost daughter come home? Safe? Will the CAT scan come clean and

> indicate that I dont have a tumor? Will this baby survive?

>

> Uncertainties abound, not for all of us but for some -- for sure.

> Medical science helps often, but not always. It helps one little

to

> know that only 0.001% end up paraplegic as a result of this

> technique. "There are exactly 1000 individuals in my community and

> none of them is a paraplegic. Would I be the statistic?

>

> Psychology helps groups, as does sociology and epidemiologic

> statistics, but who is there to even risk their neck and help the

> individual? Who has the tools to even attempt that?

>

> Astrology looks at individuals, maybe not all individuals (those

> pesky twins!) but it has some potential, some tools that can

attempt

> to examine the fate of the individual, far more than any other

> science or technique.

>

> Even if it is not infalliable, its aim, its intention is clear,

and

> if sincerely studies and practices and developed, there is a very

> well-carved niche for it -- the reduction of uncertainty of the

> individual, who from the mother's breast to the grave has nothing

> else that covers all areas of insecurity and uncertainty of

> outcomes. At least the potential for that!

>

> Hence I stay by its side, I am not an idiot, or blindly in love, I

> simply realize that I am in the rapids, the river of life is

violent

> and this log may be my only chance of survival!

>

> RR

>

February 19, 2006

, "shantala_pandit"

<shantala_pandit wrote:

>

> Respected members,

> We are all definitely on the side of Jyotish whether we are

> practicing astrology or seeking advice ( as a result of

> uncertainities)..we wouldn't be part of this group

> otherwise..question is, how committed are we to the goal of

removing

> uncertainity?? Do we tend to judge people based on their horoscope

> without even having a chance to know the person?? Is this fair??

Are

> we so good at our skills that we assume the right to do so??

> Has any of you come across such instances or am I the only one :-)

>

> I believe that at the end of it all its faith that helps..be it in

> astrology or in God or maybe even in self (say for the atheist)

> ..different dieties represent different planets, why?? because God

> is bigger than all of them, isn't that true? that's what gives

> solace to the millions of souls on this planet whether they are

even

> aware of astrology or not.

>

> with regards,

> Shantala

>

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Jyotish does have a goal, playmates!

> >

> > When an infant is born, it has little memory, blurry senses, no

> > sense of what danger, love, protection, relationships is about.

At

> > its mother's breast it learns to feel love, constancy, security

> and

> > the three of them rolled together. Then there are those other

> > infants who never experienced, or perceived or remembered those

> > beginnings and some turn our bad, others good.

> >

> > The soul, most souls are born into similar confusion and know

not

> > where they are going, even those who we later on look back and

see

> > as successes and almost are sure they knew where they were

heading.

> >

> > How many such sharp-shooters and irritating know-it alls have

you

> > known in life? I bet some of your fingers are still available

for

> > things other than counting after you are done!

> >

> > The infant grows up, knows where the food is, figures out how to

> get

> > benefit out of situations by proper behaviour through

suppression

> of

> > instincts and then occasionally revolts and pays for it or

escapes

> > at times. Gradually, these experiences teach him or her the

rules

> to

> > abide by.

> >

> > But the uncertainty really remains -- it changes its name,

shape,

> > character. Will that girl love me? Will that boy be a good

> provider?

> > Will my children be healthy or even something more mundane: Will

I

> > get that job, will the bank give me the loan, will I go abroad?

> Will

> > my lost daughter come home? Safe? Will the CAT scan come clean

and

> > indicate that I dont have a tumor? Will this baby survive?

> >

> > Uncertainties abound, not for all of us but for some -- for

sure.

> > Medical science helps often, but not always. It helps one little

> to

> > know that only 0.001% end up paraplegic as a result of this

> > technique. "There are exactly 1000 individuals in my community

and

> > none of them is a paraplegic. Would I be the statistic?

> >

> > Psychology helps groups, as does sociology and epidemiologic

> > statistics, but who is there to even risk their neck and help

the

> > individual? Who has the tools to even attempt that?

> >

> > Astrology looks at individuals, maybe not all individuals (those

> > pesky twins!) but it has some potential, some tools that can

> attempt

> > to examine the fate of the individual, far more than any other

> > science or technique.

> >

> > Even if it is not infalliable, its aim, its intention is clear,

> and

> > if sincerely studies and practices and developed, there is a

very

> > well-carved niche for it -- the reduction of uncertainty of the

> > individual, who from the mother's breast to the grave has

nothing

> > else that covers all areas of insecurity and uncertainty of

> > outcomes. At least the potential for that!

> >

> > Hence I stay by its side, I am not an idiot, or blindly in love,

I

> > simply realize that I am in the rapids, the river of life is

> violent

> > and this log may be my only chance of survival!

> >

> > RR

> >

>

February 19, 2006

dear friend

nice noting your questioning the veracity and accountability of the

astrologers giving readings (free) in your previous mail.

now you are questioning the commitment.

unfortunately this reminds of a similar experience. whatever way

the learnt fraternity read the charts and suggest remedies, they are

doing this service not only free for the reciepients (querents) but

are also spending money from their pocket. SIMPLY PUT, ASTROLOGERS

ARE IN THE GIVING HAND AND QUERENTS ARE IN THE RECEIVING HAND.

this service is akin to a person setting up a bhandara or langar and

offering free food. the people who throng to these free food

distribution centres, instead of appreciating the free services

offered by such noble souls (even in this ghor kaliyug) start

criticising for the small menu, improved services, accountability,

commitment etc.

i requested in several occasions all the querents to furnish their

current place (country or city/state) so that we can suggest

suitable remedies. once after suggestion of remedies, they engage

in a thread saying i am in USA, UK or some western country and

cannot do these remedies. some people waste their office resources

to learn astrology and pose queries of all their known people just

to know more and learn. some astrologers were so brazen in putting

all their customers' queries in the groups just because they are not

capable of helping their customers with their own knowledge.

before putting forth such mails questioning the astrologers who give

free readings, you better park funds for setting up an NGO, hire

some astrologers whom you trust, pay them salaries and then impose

code of conduct, systems to be followed and also fix accountability.

hurling abuses and finding fault with noble souls has become the

order of the day and i request all such venturists not to earn bad

karma and earn the curses of the noble souls.

with best wishes

arjun

, "shantala_pandit"

<shantala_pandit wrote:

>

> Respected members,

> We are all definitely on the side of Jyotish whether we are

> practicing astrology or seeking advice ( as a result of

> uncertainities)..we wouldn't be part of this group

> otherwise..question is, how committed are we to the goal of

removing

> uncertainity?? Do we tend to judge people based on their horoscope

> without even having a chance to know the person?? Is this fair??

Are

> we so good at our skills that we assume the right to do so??

> Has any of you come across such instances or am I the only one :-)

>

> I believe that at the end of it all its faith that helps..be it in

> astrology or in God or maybe even in self (say for the atheist)

> ..different dieties represent different planets, why?? because God

> is bigger than all of them, isn't that true? that's what gives

> solace to the millions of souls on this planet whether they are

even

> aware of astrology or not.

>

> with regards,

> Shantala

>

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Jyotish does have a goal, playmates!

> >

> > When an infant is born, it has little memory, blurry senses, no

> > sense of what danger, love, protection, relationships is about.

At

> > its mother's breast it learns to feel love, constancy, security

> and

> > the three of them rolled together. Then there are those other

> > infants who never experienced, or perceived or remembered those

> > beginnings and some turn our bad, others good.

> >

> > The soul, most souls are born into similar confusion and know

not

> > where they are going, even those who we later on look back and

see

> > as successes and almost are sure they knew where they were

heading.

> >

> > How many such sharp-shooters and irritating know-it alls have

you

> > known in life? I bet some of your fingers are still available

for

> > things other than counting after you are done!

> >

> > The infant grows up, knows where the food is, figures out how to

> get

> > benefit out of situations by proper behaviour through

suppression

> of

> > instincts and then occasionally revolts and pays for it or

escapes

> > at times. Gradually, these experiences teach him or her the

rules

> to

> > abide by.

> >

> > But the uncertainty really remains -- it changes its name,

shape,

> > character. Will that girl love me? Will that boy be a good

> provider?

> > Will my children be healthy or even something more mundane: Will

I

> > get that job, will the bank give me the loan, will I go abroad?

> Will

> > my lost daughter come home? Safe? Will the CAT scan come clean

and

> > indicate that I dont have a tumor? Will this baby survive?

> >

> > Uncertainties abound, not for all of us but for some -- for

sure.

> > Medical science helps often, but not always. It helps one little

> to

> > know that only 0.001% end up paraplegic as a result of this

> > technique. "There are exactly 1000 individuals in my community

and

> > none of them is a paraplegic. Would I be the statistic?

> >

> > Psychology helps groups, as does sociology and epidemiologic

> > statistics, but who is there to even risk their neck and help

the

> > individual? Who has the tools to even attempt that?

> >

> > Astrology looks at individuals, maybe not all individuals (those

> > pesky twins!) but it has some potential, some tools that can

> attempt

> > to examine the fate of the individual, far more than any other

> > science or technique.

> >

> > Even if it is not infalliable, its aim, its intention is clear,

> and

> > if sincerely studies and practices and developed, there is a

very

> > well-carved niche for it -- the reduction of uncertainty of the

> > individual, who from the mother's breast to the grave has

nothing

> > else that covers all areas of insecurity and uncertainty of

> > outcomes. At least the potential for that!

> >

> > Hence I stay by its side, I am not an idiot, or blindly in love,

I

> > simply realize that I am in the rapids, the river of life is

> violent

> > and this log may be my only chance of survival!

> >

> > RR

> >

>

February 19, 2006

Dear Sir,

I appreciate your taking time to respond..I have not given any

indication anywhere of receiving any "free" advice nor do I intend

to post any birth details on this group ever for the same..

I have consulted and paid astrologers their fees where they charge

one and dakshina where they do not specify..but that still doesn't

make them accountable, does it?? they don't give any receipts, do

they?? do they pay their taxes? anyways, it is a choice of

astrologers whether they want to give free advice on groups like

these or charge their customers wherever they practice..

my point is

1) make astrology robust and consistent, you all have the skills and

experience to do that.

2) be open to criticism, it will only improve your work. there is a

saying in hindi - nindak nede rakhiye, aangan kutir bandhay, bin

sabun pani bina nirmal kare suhaye

it means keep you critic close to you/near you, he will cleanse you

without any soap or water.

please don't take anything personally, it defeats the purpose of a

good and healthy discussion.

thanks and regards,

Shantala

, "panditarjun2004"

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear friend

>

> nice noting your questioning the veracity and accountability of

the

> astrologers giving readings (free) in your previous mail.

>

> now you are questioning the commitment.

>

> unfortunately this reminds of a similar experience. whatever way

> the learnt fraternity read the charts and suggest remedies, they

are

> doing this service not only free for the reciepients (querents)

but

> are also spending money from their pocket. SIMPLY PUT,

ASTROLOGERS

> ARE IN THE GIVING HAND AND QUERENTS ARE IN THE RECEIVING HAND.

>

> this service is akin to a person setting up a bhandara or langar

and

> offering free food. the people who throng to these free food

> distribution centres, instead of appreciating the free services

> offered by such noble souls (even in this ghor kaliyug) start

> criticising for the small menu, improved services, accountability,

> commitment etc.

>

> i requested in several occasions all the querents to furnish their

> current place (country or city/state) so that we can suggest

> suitable remedies. once after suggestion of remedies, they engage

> in a thread saying i am in USA, UK or some western country and

> cannot do these remedies. some people waste their office

resources

> to learn astrology and pose queries of all their known people just

> to know more and learn. some astrologers were so brazen in

putting

> all their customers' queries in the groups just because they are

not

> capable of helping their customers with their own knowledge.

>

> before putting forth such mails questioning the astrologers who

give

> free readings, you better park funds for setting up an NGO, hire

> some astrologers whom you trust, pay them salaries and then impose

> code of conduct, systems to be followed and also fix

accountability.

>

> hurling abuses and finding fault with noble souls has become the

> order of the day and i request all such venturists not to earn bad

> karma and earn the curses of the noble souls.

>

> with best wishes

> arjun

>

> , "shantala_pandit"

> <shantala_pandit@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected members,

> > We are all definitely on the side of Jyotish whether we are

> > practicing astrology or seeking advice ( as a result of

> > uncertainities)..we wouldn't be part of this group

> > otherwise..question is, how committed are we to the goal of

> removing

> > uncertainity?? Do we tend to judge people based on their

horoscope

> > without even having a chance to know the person?? Is this fair??

> Are

> > we so good at our skills that we assume the right to do so??

> > Has any of you come across such instances or am I the only one :-

)

> >

> > I believe that at the end of it all its faith that helps..be it

in

> > astrology or in God or maybe even in self (say for the atheist)

> > ..different dieties represent different planets, why?? because

God

> > is bigger than all of them, isn't that true? that's what gives

> > solace to the millions of souls on this planet whether they are

> even

> > aware of astrology or not.

> >

> > with regards,

> > Shantala

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Jyotish does have a goal, playmates!

> > >

> > > When an infant is born, it has little memory, blurry senses,

no

> > > sense of what danger, love, protection, relationships is

about.

> At

> > > its mother's breast it learns to feel love, constancy,

security

> > and

> > > the three of them rolled together. Then there are those other

> > > infants who never experienced, or perceived or remembered

those

> > > beginnings and some turn our bad, others good.

> > >

> > > The soul, most souls are born into similar confusion and know

> not

> > > where they are going, even those who we later on look back and

> see

> > > as successes and almost are sure they knew where they were

> heading.

> > >

> > > How many such sharp-shooters and irritating know-it alls have

> you

> > > known in life? I bet some of your fingers are still available

> for

> > > things other than counting after you are done!

> > >

> > > The infant grows up, knows where the food is, figures out how

to

> > get

> > > benefit out of situations by proper behaviour through

> suppression

> > of

> > > instincts and then occasionally revolts and pays for it or

> escapes

> > > at times. Gradually, these experiences teach him or her the

> rules

> > to

> > > abide by.

> > >

> > > But the uncertainty really remains -- it changes its name,

> shape,

> > > character. Will that girl love me? Will that boy be a good

> > provider?

> > > Will my children be healthy or even something more mundane:

Will

> I

> > > get that job, will the bank give me the loan, will I go

abroad?

> > Will

> > > my lost daughter come home? Safe? Will the CAT scan come clean

> and

> > > indicate that I dont have a tumor? Will this baby survive?

> > >

> > > Uncertainties abound, not for all of us but for some -- for

> sure.

> > > Medical science helps often, but not always. It helps one

little

> > to

> > > know that only 0.001% end up paraplegic as a result of this

> > > technique. "There are exactly 1000 individuals in my community

> and

> > > none of them is a paraplegic. Would I be the statistic?

> > >

> > > Psychology helps groups, as does sociology and epidemiologic

> > > statistics, but who is there to even risk their neck and help

> the

> > > individual? Who has the tools to even attempt that?

> > >

> > > Astrology looks at individuals, maybe not all individuals

(those

> > > pesky twins!) but it has some potential, some tools that can

> > attempt

> > > to examine the fate of the individual, far more than any other

> > > science or technique.

> > >

> > > Even if it is not infalliable, its aim, its intention is

clear,

> > and

> > > if sincerely studies and practices and developed, there is a

> very

> > > well-carved niche for it -- the reduction of uncertainty of

the

> > > individual, who from the mother's breast to the grave has

> nothing

> > > else that covers all areas of insecurity and uncertainty of

> > > outcomes. At least the potential for that!

> > >

> > > Hence I stay by its side, I am not an idiot, or blindly in

love,

> I

> > > simply realize that I am in the rapids, the river of life is

> > violent

> > > and this log may be my only chance of survival!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> >

>

February 19, 2006

Dear Shantala,

It was early sixties when I was browsing through Rupayana my most

favourite bookstore in Indore, to be a spiritual resort of sorts

eventually, where I came upon a book by Cheiro (Your destiny in your

hand or was it 'palm' I forget), who much later I found out was

called Count Louis Hammond. That was the beginning of my initiation.

I read many of his books, almost worshipped him not because of what

he wrote but what I so wanted to believe in. Why? Go figure!

Palmistry still has a connection with my heart, it is almost like a

puppy love! Mid sixties or so, I found Jyotish through a hindi book

that I forget and a book by VAK Ayer (Everyday astrology, if I am

not mistaken -- by the way it was nice to see that he is still

writing, in the astrological magazine which I recently red

to after 20 some years!). Jyotish as it was presented made no sense

and over the years after that I have seen the trend again, books in

jyotish are either too simple and discardable or too obstruse and

useless as well (Choudhary's vedic numerology being one example) and

it had nothing to do with trying to describe jyotish in english, a

foreign language! I lived and breathed jyotish for years, read what

is available in hindi, despite my meagre means. I had to give up on

jyotish and just stay away from it all (someday I will tell you

about my planchette experiences during that year of hiatus) and

found a book called Discovering Astrology. It was a book on western

astrology that turned the key for me. It was clear and to the young

teenager made sense. Soon thereafter I picked up Everyday Astrology

again and it turned out to be a very simple book! But why not the

first time? Barely an year had passed!

I grew up, and to some extent still live in, an environment where

astrology is not supported or mainstream talk. I can drop astrology

today and walk away from it and perhaps would be a lot lot more at

peace for that, but why do I not? More importantly -- Why can I not?

I would not bore you with a lot of details of my personal

experiences in this arena, but just wanted to say/corroborate that

you are not the only one! I have been bothered by this very fact

that people in my perception, anyway, always ended up being way more

than their charts promised! In all fairness, as I learned more and

learned to see more in the chart, the horoscopic humunculus seemed

to grow as opposed to the observed humunculus. But really -- the

astrologer was the one that was growing and not just in the sphere

of astrology but generally!

Faith does help. Faith not in astrology or God or self, as you say,

but faith in ultimately never being alone, or being subjected to

that which is random and more importantly, never ever being uncared!

Another name for this kind of faith is optimism. Optimism is a

quality of human beings and of the astrological sun. The sun rises

each morning predictably to signal a new day, and even if the day is

cloudy, the constancy of sun overall has given us the faith that

behind the clouds of uncertainty is the sun which will bring us

warmth and light no matter what, a sense that for most of us was

symbolized by our male parent. Sun is not considered the indicator

of Soul without reason. Soul is constant, and so is the sun. Sun to

me has always seemed like the creator behind or kingpin behind

Astrologic.

Constancy, whether in the face of successes or failures is what love

is about.

RR

, "shantala_pandit"

<shantala_pandit wrote:

>

> Respected members,

> We are all definitely on the side of Jyotish whether we are

> practicing astrology or seeking advice ( as a result of

> uncertainities)..we wouldn't be part of this group

> otherwise..question is, how committed are we to the goal of

removing

> uncertainity?? Do we tend to judge people based on their horoscope

> without even having a chance to know the person?? Is this fair??

Are

> we so good at our skills that we assume the right to do so??

> Has any of you come across such instances or am I the only one :-)

>

> I believe that at the end of it all its faith that helps..be it in

> astrology or in God or maybe even in self (say for the atheist)

> ..different dieties represent different planets, why?? because God

> is bigger than all of them, isn't that true? that's what gives

> solace to the millions of souls on this planet whether they are

even

> aware of astrology or not.

>

> with regards,

> Shantala

>

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Jyotish does have a goal, playmates!

> >

> > When an infant is born, it has little memory, blurry senses, no

> > sense of what danger, love, protection, relationships is about.

At

> > its mother's breast it learns to feel love, constancy, security

> and

> > the three of them rolled together. Then there are those other

> > infants who never experienced, or perceived or remembered those

> > beginnings and some turn our bad, others good.

> >

> > The soul, most souls are born into similar confusion and know

not

> > where they are going, even those who we later on look back and

see

> > as successes and almost are sure they knew where they were

heading.

> >

> > How many such sharp-shooters and irritating know-it alls have

you

> > known in life? I bet some of your fingers are still available

for

> > things other than counting after you are done!

> >

> > The infant grows up, knows where the food is, figures out how to

> get

> > benefit out of situations by proper behaviour through

suppression

> of

> > instincts and then occasionally revolts and pays for it or

escapes

> > at times. Gradually, these experiences teach him or her the

rules

> to

> > abide by.

> >

> > But the uncertainty really remains -- it changes its name,

shape,

> > character. Will that girl love me? Will that boy be a good

> provider?

> > Will my children be healthy or even something more mundane: Will

I

> > get that job, will the bank give me the loan, will I go abroad?

> Will

> > my lost daughter come home? Safe? Will the CAT scan come clean

and

> > indicate that I dont have a tumor? Will this baby survive?

> >

> > Uncertainties abound, not for all of us but for some -- for

sure.

> > Medical science helps often, but not always. It helps one little

> to

> > know that only 0.001% end up paraplegic as a result of this

> > technique. "There are exactly 1000 individuals in my community

and

> > none of them is a paraplegic. Would I be the statistic?

> >

> > Psychology helps groups, as does sociology and epidemiologic

> > statistics, but who is there to even risk their neck and help

the

> > individual? Who has the tools to even attempt that?

> >

> > Astrology looks at individuals, maybe not all individuals (those

> > pesky twins!) but it has some potential, some tools that can

> attempt

> > to examine the fate of the individual, far more than any other

> > science or technique.

> >

> > Even if it is not infalliable, its aim, its intention is clear,

> and

> > if sincerely studies and practices and developed, there is a

very

> > well-carved niche for it -- the reduction of uncertainty of the

> > individual, who from the mother's breast to the grave has

nothing

> > else that covers all areas of insecurity and uncertainty of

> > outcomes. At least the potential for that!

> >

> > Hence I stay by its side, I am not an idiot, or blindly in love,

I

> > simply realize that I am in the rapids, the river of life is

> violent

> > and this log may be my only chance of survival!

> >

> > RR

> >

>

February 19, 2006

For what it is worth, Shantala, when you are right, you are right!

RR

, "shantala_pandit"

<shantala_pandit wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> I appreciate your taking time to respond..I have not given any

> indication anywhere of receiving any "free" advice nor do I intend

> to post any birth details on this group ever for the same..

> I have consulted and paid astrologers their fees where they charge

> one and dakshina where they do not specify..but that still doesn't

> make them accountable, does it?? they don't give any receipts, do

> they?? do they pay their taxes? anyways, it is a choice of

> astrologers whether they want to give free advice on groups like

> these or charge their customers wherever they practice..

> my point is

> 1) make astrology robust and consistent, you all have the skills

and

> experience to do that.

> 2) be open to criticism, it will only improve your work. there is

a

> saying in hindi - nindak nede rakhiye, aangan kutir bandhay, bin

> sabun pani bina nirmal kare suhaye

>

> it means keep you critic close to you/near you, he will cleanse

you

> without any soap or water.

> please don't take anything personally, it defeats the purpose of a

> good and healthy discussion.

> thanks and regards,

> Shantala

>

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear friend

> >

> > nice noting your questioning the veracity and accountability of

> the

> > astrologers giving readings (free) in your previous mail.

> >

> > now you are questioning the commitment.

> >

> > unfortunately this reminds of a similar experience. whatever

way

> > the learnt fraternity read the charts and suggest remedies, they

> are

> > doing this service not only free for the reciepients (querents)

> but

> > are also spending money from their pocket. SIMPLY PUT,

> ASTROLOGERS

> > ARE IN THE GIVING HAND AND QUERENTS ARE IN THE RECEIVING HAND.

> >

> > this service is akin to a person setting up a bhandara or langar

> and

> > offering free food. the people who throng to these free food

> > distribution centres, instead of appreciating the free services

> > offered by such noble souls (even in this ghor kaliyug) start

> > criticising for the small menu, improved services,

accountability,

> > commitment etc.

> >

> > i requested in several occasions all the querents to furnish

their

> > current place (country or city/state) so that we can suggest

> > suitable remedies. once after suggestion of remedies, they

engage

> > in a thread saying i am in USA, UK or some western country and

> > cannot do these remedies. some people waste their office

> resources

> > to learn astrology and pose queries of all their known people

just

> > to know more and learn. some astrologers were so brazen in

> putting

> > all their customers' queries in the groups just because they are

> not

> > capable of helping their customers with their own knowledge.

> >

> > before putting forth such mails questioning the astrologers who

> give

> > free readings, you better park funds for setting up an NGO, hire

> > some astrologers whom you trust, pay them salaries and then

impose

> > code of conduct, systems to be followed and also fix

> accountability.

> >

> > hurling abuses and finding fault with noble souls has become the

> > order of the day and i request all such venturists not to earn

bad

> > karma and earn the curses of the noble souls.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > , "shantala_pandit"

> > <shantala_pandit@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected members,

> > > We are all definitely on the side of Jyotish whether we are

> > > practicing astrology or seeking advice ( as a result of

> > > uncertainities)..we wouldn't be part of this group

> > > otherwise..question is, how committed are we to the goal of

> > removing

> > > uncertainity?? Do we tend to judge people based on their

> horoscope

> > > without even having a chance to know the person?? Is this

fair??

> > Are

> > > we so good at our skills that we assume the right to do so??

> > > Has any of you come across such instances or am I the only

one :-

> )

> > >

> > > I believe that at the end of it all its faith that helps..be

it

> in

> > > astrology or in God or maybe even in self (say for the atheist)

> > > ..different dieties represent different planets, why?? because

> God

> > > is bigger than all of them, isn't that true? that's what gives

> > > solace to the millions of souls on this planet whether they

are

> > even

> > > aware of astrology or not.

> > >

> > > with regards,

> > > Shantala

> > >

> > > , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Jyotish does have a goal, playmates!

> > > >

> > > > When an infant is born, it has little memory, blurry senses,

> no

> > > > sense of what danger, love, protection, relationships is

> about.

> > At

> > > > its mother's breast it learns to feel love, constancy,

> security

> > > and

> > > > the three of them rolled together. Then there are those

other

> > > > infants who never experienced, or perceived or remembered

> those

> > > > beginnings and some turn our bad, others good.

> > > >

> > > > The soul, most souls are born into similar confusion and

know

> > not

> > > > where they are going, even those who we later on look back

and

> > see

> > > > as successes and almost are sure they knew where they were

> > heading.

> > > >

> > > > How many such sharp-shooters and irritating know-it alls

have

> > you

> > > > known in life? I bet some of your fingers are still

available

> > for

> > > > things other than counting after you are done!

> > > >

> > > > The infant grows up, knows where the food is, figures out

how

> to

> > > get

> > > > benefit out of situations by proper behaviour through

> > suppression

> > > of

> > > > instincts and then occasionally revolts and pays for it or

> > escapes

> > > > at times. Gradually, these experiences teach him or her the

> > rules

> > > to

> > > > abide by.

> > > >

> > > > But the uncertainty really remains -- it changes its name,

> > shape,

> > > > character. Will that girl love me? Will that boy be a good

> > > provider?

> > > > Will my children be healthy or even something more mundane:

> Will

> > I

> > > > get that job, will the bank give me the loan, will I go

> abroad?

> > > Will

> > > > my lost daughter come home? Safe? Will the CAT scan come

clean

> > and

> > > > indicate that I dont have a tumor? Will this baby survive?

> > > >

> > > > Uncertainties abound, not for all of us but for some -- for

> > sure.

> > > > Medical science helps often, but not always. It helps one

> little

> > > to

> > > > know that only 0.001% end up paraplegic as a result of this

> > > > technique. "There are exactly 1000 individuals in my

community

> > and

> > > > none of them is a paraplegic. Would I be the statistic?

> > > >

> > > > Psychology helps groups, as does sociology and epidemiologic

> > > > statistics, but who is there to even risk their neck and

help

> > the

> > > > individual? Who has the tools to even attempt that?

> > > >

> > > > Astrology looks at individuals, maybe not all individuals

> (those

> > > > pesky twins!) but it has some potential, some tools that can

> > > attempt

> > > > to examine the fate of the individual, far more than any

other

> > > > science or technique.

> > > >

> > > > Even if it is not infalliable, its aim, its intention is

> clear,

> > > and

> > > > if sincerely studies and practices and developed, there is a

> > very

> > > > well-carved niche for it -- the reduction of uncertainty of

> the

> > > > individual, who from the mother's breast to the grave has

> > nothing

> > > > else that covers all areas of insecurity and uncertainty of

> > > > outcomes. At least the potential for that!

> > > >

> > > > Hence I stay by its side, I am not an idiot, or blindly in

> love,

> > I

> > > > simply realize that I am in the rapids, the river of life is

> > > violent

> > > > and this log may be my only chance of survival!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

February 19, 2006

wow! thanks RRji for sharing that.

warm regards,

Shantala

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> Dear Shantala,

>

> It was early sixties when I was browsing through Rupayana my most

> favourite bookstore in Indore, to be a spiritual resort of sorts

> eventually, where I came upon a book by Cheiro (Your destiny in

your

> hand or was it 'palm' I forget), who much later I found out was

> called Count Louis Hammond. That was the beginning of my

initiation.

> I read many of his books, almost worshipped him not because of

what

> he wrote but what I so wanted to believe in. Why? Go figure!

> Palmistry still has a connection with my heart, it is almost like

a

> puppy love! Mid sixties or so, I found Jyotish through a hindi

book

> that I forget and a book by VAK Ayer (Everyday astrology, if I am

> not mistaken -- by the way it was nice to see that he is still

> writing, in the astrological magazine which I recently

red

> to after 20 some years!). Jyotish as it was presented made no

sense

> and over the years after that I have seen the trend again, books

in

> jyotish are either too simple and discardable or too obstruse and

> useless as well (Choudhary's vedic numerology being one example)

and

> it had nothing to do with trying to describe jyotish in english, a

> foreign language! I lived and breathed jyotish for years, read

what

> is available in hindi, despite my meagre means. I had to give up

on

> jyotish and just stay away from it all (someday I will tell you

> about my planchette experiences during that year of hiatus) and

> found a book called Discovering Astrology. It was a book on

western

> astrology that turned the key for me. It was clear and to the

young

> teenager made sense. Soon thereafter I picked up Everyday

Astrology

> again and it turned out to be a very simple book! But why not the

> first time? Barely an year had passed!

>

> I grew up, and to some extent still live in, an environment where

> astrology is not supported or mainstream talk. I can drop

astrology

> today and walk away from it and perhaps would be a lot lot more at

> peace for that, but why do I not? More importantly -- Why can I

not?

>

> I would not bore you with a lot of details of my personal

> experiences in this arena, but just wanted to say/corroborate that

> you are not the only one! I have been bothered by this very fact

> that people in my perception, anyway, always ended up being way

more

> than their charts promised! In all fairness, as I learned more and

> learned to see more in the chart, the horoscopic humunculus seemed

> to grow as opposed to the observed humunculus. But really -- the

> astrologer was the one that was growing and not just in the sphere

> of astrology but generally!

>

> Faith does help. Faith not in astrology or God or self, as you

say,

> but faith in ultimately never being alone, or being subjected to

> that which is random and more importantly, never ever being

uncared!

> Another name for this kind of faith is optimism. Optimism is a

> quality of human beings and of the astrological sun. The sun rises

> each morning predictably to signal a new day, and even if the day

is

> cloudy, the constancy of sun overall has given us the faith that

> behind the clouds of uncertainty is the sun which will bring us

> warmth and light no matter what, a sense that for most of us was

> symbolized by our male parent. Sun is not considered the indicator

> of Soul without reason. Soul is constant, and so is the sun. Sun

to

> me has always seemed like the creator behind or kingpin behind

> Astrologic.

>

> Constancy, whether in the face of successes or failures is what

love

> is about.

>

> RR

>

> , "shantala_pandit"

> <shantala_pandit@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected members,

> > We are all definitely on the side of Jyotish whether we are

> > practicing astrology or seeking advice ( as a result of

> > uncertainities)..we wouldn't be part of this group

> > otherwise..question is, how committed are we to the goal of

> removing

> > uncertainity?? Do we tend to judge people based on their

horoscope

> > without even having a chance to know the person?? Is this fair??

> Are

> > we so good at our skills that we assume the right to do so??

> > Has any of you come across such instances or am I the only one :-

)

> >

> > I believe that at the end of it all its faith that helps..be it

in

> > astrology or in God or maybe even in self (say for the atheist)

> > ..different dieties represent different planets, why?? because

God

> > is bigger than all of them, isn't that true? that's what gives

> > solace to the millions of souls on this planet whether they are

> even

> > aware of astrology or not.

> >

> > with regards,

> > Shantala

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Jyotish does have a goal, playmates!

> > >

> > > When an infant is born, it has little memory, blurry senses,

no

> > > sense of what danger, love, protection, relationships is

about.

> At

> > > its mother's breast it learns to feel love, constancy,

security

> > and

> > > the three of them rolled together. Then there are those other

> > > infants who never experienced, or perceived or remembered

those

> > > beginnings and some turn our bad, others good.

> > >

> > > The soul, most souls are born into similar confusion and know

> not

> > > where they are going, even those who we later on look back and

> see

> > > as successes and almost are sure they knew where they were

> heading.

> > >

> > > How many such sharp-shooters and irritating know-it alls have

> you

> > > known in life? I bet some of your fingers are still available

> for

> > > things other than counting after you are done!

> > >

> > > The infant grows up, knows where the food is, figures out how

to

> > get

> > > benefit out of situations by proper behaviour through

> suppression

> > of

> > > instincts and then occasionally revolts and pays for it or

> escapes

> > > at times. Gradually, these experiences teach him or her the

> rules

> > to

> > > abide by.

> > >

> > > But the uncertainty really remains -- it changes its name,

> shape,

> > > character. Will that girl love me? Will that boy be a good

> > provider?

> > > Will my children be healthy or even something more mundane:

Will

> I

> > > get that job, will the bank give me the loan, will I go

abroad?

> > Will

> > > my lost daughter come home? Safe? Will the CAT scan come clean

> and

> > > indicate that I dont have a tumor? Will this baby survive?

> > >

> > > Uncertainties abound, not for all of us but for some -- for

> sure.

> > > Medical science helps often, but not always. It helps one

little

> > to

> > > know that only 0.001% end up paraplegic as a result of this

> > > technique. "There are exactly 1000 individuals in my community

> and

> > > none of them is a paraplegic. Would I be the statistic?

> > >

> > > Psychology helps groups, as does sociology and epidemiologic

> > > statistics, but who is there to even risk their neck and help

> the

> > > individual? Who has the tools to even attempt that?

> > >

> > > Astrology looks at individuals, maybe not all individuals

(those

> > > pesky twins!) but it has some potential, some tools that can

> > attempt

> > > to examine the fate of the individual, far more than any other

> > > science or technique.

> > >

> > > Even if it is not infalliable, its aim, its intention is

clear,

> > and

> > > if sincerely studies and practices and developed, there is a

> very

> > > well-carved niche for it -- the reduction of uncertainty of

the

> > > individual, who from the mother's breast to the grave has

> nothing

> > > else that covers all areas of insecurity and uncertainty of

> > > outcomes. At least the potential for that!

> > >

> > > Hence I stay by its side, I am not an idiot, or blindly in

love,

> I

> > > simply realize that I am in the rapids, the river of life is

> > violent

> > > and this log may be my only chance of survival!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> >

>

February 20, 2006

Dear RR, shantala and others

EVERYDAY ASTROLOGY's authr VAK IYER has passed away even b4 B V Raman that

is some 7 yrs ago, the book was my first one also, a good one then raman's

HIDNU PREDICTIVE ASTROLOGY IS EQUALLY GOOD and more elaboraste

AFTER WHICH I WENT TO CLASSICS- UTTARA KAALAMURITHA, JATAKA PAROJATA,

PHALADEEPIKA, JATAKA DESHA MARGA, SANKATHA NIDHI all by RK Bhatt and V

subramanya shastry

NN K rishna rao's transulation of BROJAT PARASHARA HORA, HORA RATHNA MAALA,

NAKSHATRA AND THITHI, Saravali, Kerala sutra, Missing links inHindu astrology

and many other raman and otehr modern writers.

shantala_pandit <shantala_pandit wrote: wow! thanks RRji for

sharing that.

warm regards,

Shantala

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> Dear Shantala,

>

> It was early sixties when I was browsing through Rupayana my most

> favourite bookstore in Indore, to be a spiritual resort of sorts

> eventually, where I came upon a book by Cheiro (Your destiny in

your

> hand or was it 'palm' I forget), who much later I found out was

> called Count Louis Hammond. That was the beginning of my

initiation.

> I read many of his books, almost worshipped him not because of

what

> he wrote but what I so wanted to believe in. Why? Go figure!

> Palmistry still has a connection with my heart, it is almost like

a

> puppy love! Mid sixties or so, I found Jyotish through a hindi

book

> that I forget and a book by VAK Ayer (Everyday astrology, if I am

> not mistaken -- by the way it was nice to see that he is still

> writing, in the astrological magazine which I recently

red

> to after 20 some years!). Jyotish as it was presented made no

sense

> and over the years after that I have seen the trend again, books

in

> jyotish are either too simple and discardable or too obstruse and

> useless as well (Choudhary's vedic numerology being one example)

and

> it had nothing to do with trying to describe jyotish in english, a

> foreign language! I lived and breathed jyotish for years, read

what

> is available in hindi, despite my meagre means. I had to give up

on

> jyotish and just stay away from it all (someday I will tell you

> about my planchette experiences during that year of hiatus) and

> found a book called Discovering Astrology. It was a book on

western

> astrology that turned the key for me. It was clear and to the

young

> teenager made sense. Soon thereafter I picked up Everyday

Astrology

> again and it turned out to be a very simple book! But why not the

> first time? Barely an year had passed!

>

> I grew up, and to some extent still live in, an environment where

> astrology is not supported or mainstream talk. I can drop

astrology

> today and walk away from it and perhaps would be a lot lot more at

> peace for that, but why do I not? More importantly -- Why can I

not?

>

> I would not bore you with a lot of details of my personal

> experiences in this arena, but just wanted to say/corroborate that

> you are not the only one! I have been bothered by this very fact

> that people in my perception, anyway, always ended up being way

more

> than their charts promised! In all fairness, as I learned more and

> learned to see more in the chart, the horoscopic humunculus seemed

> to grow as opposed to the observed humunculus. But really -- the

> astrologer was the one that was growing and not just in the sphere

> of astrology but generally!

>

> Faith does help. Faith not in astrology or God or self, as you

say,

> but faith in ultimately never being alone, or being subjected to

> that which is random and more importantly, never ever being

uncared!

> Another name for this kind of faith is optimism. Optimism is a

> quality of human beings and of the astrological sun. The sun rises

> each morning predictably to signal a new day, and even if the day

is

> cloudy, the constancy of sun overall has given us the faith that

> behind the clouds of uncertainty is the sun which will bring us

> warmth and light no matter what, a sense that for most of us was

> symbolized by our male parent. Sun is not considered the indicator

> of Soul without reason. Soul is constant, and so is the sun. Sun

to

> me has always seemed like the creator behind or kingpin behind

> Astrologic.

>

> Constancy, whether in the face of successes or failures is what

love

> is about.

>

> RR

>

> , "shantala_pandit"

> <shantala_pandit@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected members,

> > We are all definitely on the side of Jyotish whether we are

> > practicing astrology or seeking advice ( as a result of

> > uncertainities)..we wouldn't be part of this group

> > otherwise..question is, how committed are we to the goal of

> removing

> > uncertainity?? Do we tend to judge people based on their

horoscope

> > without even having a chance to know the person?? Is this fair??

> Are

> > we so good at our skills that we assume the right to do so??

> > Has any of you come across such instances or am I the only one :-

)

> >

> > I believe that at the end of it all its faith that helps..be it

in

> > astrology or in God or maybe even in self (say for the atheist)

> > ..different dieties represent different planets, why?? because

God

> > is bigger than all of them, isn't that true? that's what gives

> > solace to the millions of souls on this planet whether they are

> even

> > aware of astrology or not.

> >

> > with regards,

> > Shantala

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Jyotish does have a goal, playmates!

> > >

> > > When an infant is born, it has little memory, blurry senses,

no

> > > sense of what danger, love, protection, relationships is

about.

> At

> > > its mother's breast it learns to feel love, constancy,

security

> > and

> > > the three of them rolled together. Then there are those other

> > > infants who never experienced, or perceived or remembered

those

> > > beginnings and some turn our bad, others good.

> > >

> > > The soul, most souls are born into similar confusion and know

> not

> > > where they are going, even those who we later on look back and

> see

> > > as successes and almost are sure they knew where they were

> heading.

> > >

> > > How many such sharp-shooters and irritating know-it alls have

> you

> > > known in life? I bet some of your fingers are still available

> for

> > > things other than counting after you are done!

> > >

> > > The infant grows up, knows where the food is, figures out how

to

> > get

> > > benefit out of situations by proper behaviour through

> suppression

> > of

> > > instincts and then occasionally revolts and pays for it or

> escapes

> > > at times. Gradually, these experiences teach him or her the

> rules

> > to

> > > abide by.

> > >

> > > But the uncertainty really remains -- it changes its name,

> shape,

> > > character. Will that girl love me? Will that boy be a good

> > provider?

> > > Will my children be healthy or even something more mundane:

Will

> I

> > > get that job, will the bank give me the loan, will I go

abroad?

> > Will

> > > my lost daughter come home? Safe? Will the CAT scan come clean

> and

> > > indicate that I dont have a tumor? Will this baby survive?

> > >

> > > Uncertainties abound, not for all of us but for some -- for

> sure.

> > > Medical science helps often, but not always. It helps one

little

> > to

> > > know that only 0.001% end up paraplegic as a result of this

> > > technique. "There are exactly 1000 individuals in my community

> and

> > > none of them is a paraplegic. Would I be the statistic?

> > >

> > > Psychology helps groups, as does sociology and epidemiologic

> > > statistics, but who is there to even risk their neck and help

> the

> > > individual? Who has the tools to even attempt that?

> > >

> > > Astrology looks at individuals, maybe not all individuals

(those

> > > pesky twins!) but it has some potential, some tools that can

> > attempt

> > > to examine the fate of the individual, far more than any other

> > > science or technique.

> > >

> > > Even if it is not infalliable, its aim, its intention is

clear,

> > and

> > > if sincerely studies and practices and developed, there is a

> very

> > > well-carved niche for it -- the reduction of uncertainty of

the

> > > individual, who from the mother's breast to the grave has

> nothing

> > > else that covers all areas of insecurity and uncertainty of

> > > outcomes. At least the potential for that!

> > >

> > > Hence I stay by its side, I am not an idiot, or blindly in

love,

> I

> > > simply realize that I am in the rapids, the river of life is

> > violent

> > > and this log may be my only chance of survival!

> > >

> > > RR

> >

Prashant

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dear friend

some people (like few astrologer members who have been helping

hundreds of querents for several years) always strive to be in the

giving position.

some people with their never ending karmas always remain in the

receivng position.

few people like you prefer to be neither but criticise both.

since you expressed your role of a critic, i dont reply to your

mails to validate your criticism.