morality and moon's nakshatra...My 2 cents

March 3, 2006

How can one argue against reality that is observed all the time,

right in front of one if one is looking!

Thanks for setting us all straight, dada!

Regarding: > Speaking about freewill, may be it is also your fate

> that you exercise freewill. God knows the truth.

Very poignant, Sir! I agree with you that since <GOD> the Programmer

has made all the rules in this computer 5D video game of life, I can

see how that can be incorporated. Artificial neural network and

other kinds of machine-learning has opened our awareness to those

possibilities and yes it is quite possible that we were genetically

coded to express free-will to a different extent and maybe some gene

therapy will one day make it possible to exercise that more in a

less haphazard way and more predictable (better than mantras and

gemstones even!).

Having already been labeled incorrigibly egotistic and arrogant, I

do not hesitate to say that it is my sincere belief or at least hope

that God programmed us to explore that potential freewill and to not

be in the rabbit position all the time (rabbits or hares standing

with their hands folded down if front of their chest and a toothy

smile on their countenance!). God wanted us to find and exercise

that free-will gene and exercise it! Like any father would want

secretly -- a son/daughter that is better than him/her and

accomplish more than He did! We were created in the image of God,

weren't we?

It is not arrogance, it is awareness or atleast wanting to become so

(aware that is!)

RR

, Tatvamasi

<om_tatsat_om wrote:

>

> Friends,

>

> A horoscope is true representation of a person's

> chromosomal(genetic) structure.

> Planets and their placements in different houses

> indicate genes placement and they have specific

> predefined course of actionwhich can be equated to

> a genetic code of a plant which gives only specific

> colour to a flower etc. You alter such properties by

> sexual cross pollination/gene mutation.

>

> Speaking about freewill, may be it is also your fate

> that you exercise freewill. God knows the truth.

> Tatvam-Asi

>

> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

>

> > Through your statement below "Many people were led

> > to belive that

> > they were let down ..] I am getting the impression

> > that you truly

> > believe that planets make things happen, and hence

> > humans have no

> > free-will or freedom of choice and that we are

> > subservient to

> > astrological factors -- all of us.

> >

> > I disagree. We have only recently talked about

> > Yogananda and his

> > statements and how he overcame planetary restraints

> > and of course

> > this forum is about remedies, about changing fate

> > and at least that

> > belief operates here.

> >

> > My viewpoint indicates that this is not so. Not

> > everyone is equally

> > subservient to planets. Planets are just alphabets.

> >

> > To use a very graphic example. A HATE message

> > written on your garage

> > is ver hurtful, powerful, but it is not the letters

> > (planets) that

> > give that negative emotional impact to that hate

> > message which

> > brought about this transformational moment in your

> > life when you

> > came back home and saw the hate message!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem

> > krishnan

> > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > All 27 asterisms contribute to morality as well as

> > leaders.Aslesha

> > is no exceptio as world has seen what Mahatma

> > Gandhi,Paul Macartney

> > and oscar wilde.

> > > The Stars certainly have say in all aspects and

> > beyond doubt

> > morality as an instinct too comes as a contribution.

> > > If we do not really mix up and able to steer for

> > clear

> > views,Astrology as an assorted subjects has several

> > parameters

> > including signs,houses and bhavas and the

> > interactions and

> > conjunctions that gets imposed and influence life.Of

> > these some have

> > no issues with Mars in Cancer and other have no

> > problems with 7th

> > jupiter.If these for a moment are considered as some

> > kind of

> > exceptions,many people find that they were let down

> > in lives by

> > these conjunctions and aspects.

> > > But a leader is one who is able to overcome and

> > show his great

> > and has a binding(at least the will to achieve).This

> > issue of

> > morality(commitment) has pronounced visibility that

> > provides

> > opportunity(considering as role model) to some thing

> > to "do like

> > that".Astrology in deep perspective could make

> > revealations out of

> > stars.The so called leaders where ever they have

> > emerged and

> > contributed for the goodwill of universe have base

> > in their stars

> > irrespective of Rahu,ketu and saturn etc which we

> > often veer around

> > and fail to appreciate the positive aspects of

> > stars.

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ragaji,

> > >

> > > What I had to say about morality, I have already

> > stated :-)

> > > I have also repeatedly stated my views based on

> > personal

> > > observations that it is futile to begin to believe

> > that in

> > astrology

> > > opinions like "what ashlesha represents or will do

> > to morality or

> > > mars in cancer would or jupiter in 7th would" are

> > dangerous red

> > > herrings. And these start a myth and a

> > superstition (a belief

> > which

> > > is held without challenging it, without observing

> > it critically

> > and

> > > often just basing judgment on hearsay and not even

> > informed

> > > anecdotal evidence). I am opposed to that and

> > through data keep

> > > demonstrating and challenging such myths, be they

> > some yoga, KSY

> > or

> > > sadesati or whatever. And I am happy to note that

> > I am not alone.

> > >

> > > I am waiting now for an informed astrological

> > response from you in

> > > this new leadership role you have volunteered for!

> > >

> > > Please lead us ...

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Ahir

> > Bhairav

> > > <aahir_bhairav@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RR ji,

> > > >

> > > > Can you please continue your discussion on

> > morality and moon's

> > > nakshatra ? What is your observation about

> > Aslesha, the clinging

> > > star ?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Mail

> > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying

> > attachments.

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > DIVINITY AND RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart

> > Astrology software

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the

> > web.

> > >

> > > To from this group, send an email

> > to:

> > >

> > > Your use of is subject to the

> > Terms of

> > Service.

> > >

> > > Mail

> > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing

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> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >

> >

>

March 3, 2006

dear friends

in the last few mails, RR ji let his reliased thoughts flow in his

own uninimitable style. needless to say RR is the (un)disputed

leader of JR.

let me share my own realisation experiences with the more fortunate

members of this group.

gods and planets are like ATMs for an unrealised person and they

exist somewhere else from where the native expects to receive

something and lives in a permanent physchological order to believe

that his wealth is somewhere else in these ATMs. Also these

unrealised persons believe that god is somewhere in the higher

altitudes or in the caves and in that process they keep going on in

circles to find god nowhere. all great realised people have shared

and penned these experiences in their autobiographies and i can

quote many. these unrealised people keep marching untiringly in

their bahar yatra forever endlessly changing their destinations

continuously on a consistent basis.

Gita (can give verse numbers) says that for a reliased person, vedas

and shastras are meaningless. also for a realised person god is

within. all these realised persons speak truth and march inwards

(antar yatra) and control their body, mind and soul with which they

realise their self and the invisible formless god within. once

these realised persons realise the god and align with the god within

they are gods. these realised persons possess the power to do and

undo things whether one believes them or not or whether science

accepts them or not.

what people like me does is a psychic job which is why i consider

myself a healer first and an astrologer second. in healing when a

native comes with a problem with a pre-mindset to diagnoise only

through planets, we speak the native's language with empathy and

give him or her the much needed healing and relieve him or her of

the pain or suffering.

once a customer who is a doctor mentioned that only a best lunatic

can treat and cure the lunatics as he only knows and feel the

problems of a lunatic. request more learnt members to correct this

doctor's observation if he is wrong.

with best wishes

arjun

, Tatvamasi

<om_tatsat_om wrote:

>

> Friends,

>

> A horoscope is true representation of a person's

> chromosomal(genetic) structure.

> Planets and their placements in different houses

> indicate genes placement and they have specific

> predefined course of actionwhich can be equated to

> a genetic code of a plant which gives only specific

> colour to a flower etc. You alter such properties by

> sexual cross pollination/gene mutation.

>

> Speaking about freewill, may be it is also your fate

> that you exercise freewill. God knows the truth.

> Tatvam-Asi

>

> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

>

> > Through your statement below "Many people were led

> > to belive that

> > they were let down ..] I am getting the impression

> > that you truly

> > believe that planets make things happen, and hence

> > humans have no

> > free-will or freedom of choice and that we are

> > subservient to

> > astrological factors -- all of us.

> >

> > I disagree. We have only recently talked about

> > Yogananda and his

> > statements and how he overcame planetary restraints

> > and of course

> > this forum is about remedies, about changing fate

> > and at least that

> > belief operates here.

> >

> > My viewpoint indicates that this is not so. Not

> > everyone is equally

> > subservient to planets. Planets are just alphabets.

> >

> > To use a very graphic example. A HATE message

> > written on your garage

> > is ver hurtful, powerful, but it is not the letters

> > (planets) that

> > give that negative emotional impact to that hate

> > message which

> > brought about this transformational moment in your

> > life when you

> > came back home and saw the hate message!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , vattem

> > krishnan

> > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > >

> > > All 27 asterisms contribute to morality as well as

> > leaders.Aslesha

> > is no exceptio as world has seen what Mahatma

> > Gandhi,Paul Macartney

> > and oscar wilde.

> > > The Stars certainly have say in all aspects and

> > beyond doubt

> > morality as an instinct too comes as a contribution.

> > > If we do not really mix up and able to steer for

> > clear

> > views,Astrology as an assorted subjects has several

> > parameters

> > including signs,houses and bhavas and the

> > interactions and

> > conjunctions that gets imposed and influence life.Of

> > these some have

> > no issues with Mars in Cancer and other have no

> > problems with 7th

> > jupiter.If these for a moment are considered as some

> > kind of

> > exceptions,many people find that they were let down

> > in lives by

> > these conjunctions and aspects.

> > > But a leader is one who is able to overcome and

> > show his great

> > and has a binding(at least the will to achieve).This

> > issue of

> > morality(commitment) has pronounced visibility that

> > provides

> > opportunity(considering as role model) to some thing

> > to "do like

> > that".Astrology in deep perspective could make

> > revealations out of

> > stars.The so called leaders where ever they have

> > emerged and

> > contributed for the goodwill of universe have base

> > in their stars

> > irrespective of Rahu,ketu and saturn etc which we

> > often veer around

> > and fail to appreciate the positive aspects of

> > stars.

> > > krishnan

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ragaji,

> > >

> > > What I had to say about morality, I have already

> > stated :-)

> > > I have also repeatedly stated my views based on

> > personal

> > > observations that it is futile to begin to believe

> > that in

> > astrology

> > > opinions like "what ashlesha represents or will do

> > to morality or

> > > mars in cancer would or jupiter in 7th would" are

> > dangerous red

> > > herrings. And these start a myth and a

> > superstition (a belief

> > which

> > > is held without challenging it, without observing

> > it critically

> > and

> > > often just basing judgment on hearsay and not even

> > informed

> > > anecdotal evidence). I am opposed to that and

> > through data keep

> > > demonstrating and challenging such myths, be they

> > some yoga, KSY

> > or

> > > sadesati or whatever. And I am happy to note that

> > I am not alone.

> > >

> > > I am waiting now for an informed astrological

> > response from you in

> > > this new leadership role you have volunteered for!

> > >

> > > Please lead us ...

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Ahir

> > Bhairav

> > > <aahir_bhairav@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RR ji,

> > > >

> > > > Can you please continue your discussion on

> > morality and moon's

> > > nakshatra ? What is your observation about

> > Aslesha, the clinging

> > > star ?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Mail

> > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying

> > attachments.

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > DIVINITY AND RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart

> > Astrology software

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the

> > web.

> > >

> > > To from this group, send an email

> > to:

> > >

> > > Your use of is subject to the

> > Terms of

> > Service.

> > >

> > > Mail

> > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing

> > a breeze.

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >

> >

>

March 3, 2006

Dear Friends,

it is really interest to find ourselves very indecisive in our views and

seldom reconcile to predestined path come through planets or otherwise.free will

thought thought can not be disposed of easily as all of us live for tomorrow

that needs to be positive outlook.Also some time the freewill thought at beast

also tends represents as misnomer and mislead a kind of egoism.

The humanity is a by product of his own action to some extent predetined and

mostly freewill because of our various instincts that propels us to experimental

path.

No doubts two human beings may not think alike ,act alike, but have comparable

fruits results.

To treat a lunatic,we may(as doctors) act like lunatic doctors but one is in

a state of exaggeration and the other is in a state of exception.That makes a

big different.

Arjun ji similies are very interesting adding falvour to continued debate

/discussion and devotion to JR for the benifit of frustated and ailing members

shooting their issues across the forum.

iam happy that all of us are able to keep cool to lend our ears and eyes to

decipher the causes and dig to the roots.In the process whether

astrological,psychological and moral perspective are extended to benifit the

ailing lot to smile across though for moment or otherwise.

krishnan

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote: