morality and moon's nakshatra[CHALLENGE!2]

March 3, 2006

You are a leader! You have grown beyond yourself to be able to talk

about you almost in third person! That is the absolute required and

as some scientists say, the committed-step for a leader.

Let us clean up the communication part now :-)

Forget astrology symbols or what 12th house means to you, which I

bet would be different from what umpteen others have if you have an

open poll, right here.

Now, mind you -- if you ever feel scared or unsure and decide to

fall back into status quo, we your buddies in the follower's dungeon

are always HERE to catch your fall. Some of us may try to poke fun

at you, but those would be less hurtful than hitting the concrete

floor -- so be thankful that thousands of us bitching but softer

than concrete *followers* are here, back down here!

Enough chit chat. Tell us how this thread should be managed. Be

thoughtful because some of us have been followers so long and

bitterly so that you make one mistake and we will dice you to

pieces, astrologically ;-)

RR

, Ahir Bhairav

<aahir_bhairav wrote:

>

> RR ji, I dare not ask / confront in an open forum , this was just

a lame attempt to rise above my 12th house conglomeration of planets

and thought could channelize it somehow...Morality or lack of it was

the major issue faced by me and from time to time was given

different labels, and i always accepted them without doubt. Now that

my back is against the wall, i thought it was high time i did

something about it. Only very recently I've started accepting a few

challenges in my daily life and that got me started and question

everything that I almost so blindly accepted until now . This is a

transition phase for me so i can neither be called a follower nort a

leader...

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> No -- what I was saying was:

> I believe that morality is learned in the first several years of

life

> This is the period, usually (not always) that the vimshottari

dasha

> of the planet in which natal moon is -- runs

> hence I was connecting the two together and wondering if the

> birthstar has a say in what kind of influences we experience and

how

> that connects to our type/level of morality.

> It was a thought-experiment, not a golden conclusion!

>

> Sorry if I confused you by that.

>

> In my viewpoint, the true leaders are not the ones who have the

> answers but the ones who are curious enough and brave enough to

ask

> questions, to challenge the status quo, and confront the "just

> because it is old it must be gold" club! You asked a question and

so

> I sensed a leader in you. Just to complete the picture, the

> followers are the silent majority who just show up in the numbers

> but really don't even exist or count!

>

> An open challenge, thus thrown at them hereby ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , Ahir Bhairav

> <aahir_bhairav@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello !

> >

> > I thought you mentioned yesterday about moon's nakshatra in

> connection with morality. I rechecked and actually it was

Rishiji's

> message in some different context.

> > I am just sort of overwhelmed, and not sure what you mean by

> my "lead us"...Sorry .

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > Dear Ragaji,

> >

> > What I had to say about morality, I have already stated :-)

> > I have also repeatedly stated my views based on personal

> > observations that it is futile to begin to believe that in

> astrology

> > opinions like "what ashlesha represents or will do to morality

or

> > mars in cancer would or jupiter in 7th would" are dangerous red

> > herrings. And these start a myth and a superstition (a belief

> which

> > is held without challenging it, without observing it critically

> and

> > often just basing judgment on hearsay and not even informed

> > anecdotal evidence). I am opposed to that and through data keep

> > demonstrating and challenging such myths, be they some yoga, KSY

> or

> > sadesati or whatever. And I am happy to note that I am not alone.

> >

> > I am waiting now for an informed astrological response from you

in

> > this new leadership role you have volunteered for!

> >

> > Please lead us ...

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Ahir Bhairav

> > <aahir_bhairav@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RR ji,

> > >

> > > Can you please continue your discussion on morality and

moon's

> > nakshatra ? What is your observation about Aslesha, the

clinging

> > star ?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Mail

> > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

> > >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> > Mail

> > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

> >

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

> Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

March 3, 2006

I wasn't expecting such "special" treatment..i thought i would be able to just

blend in...thanks anyways. But i have no clue really how this thread can be

handled, I asked a question if moon in aslesha had something to do with one's

questionable behaviour.

I understand that alone cannot be a factor but i don't want to give my

birthdata and get disqualified outright morality is learnt during one's

formative years, but what is it that compel's one to let go of it...

You are a leader! You have grown beyond yourself to be able to talk

about you almost in third person! That is the absolute required and

as some scientists say, the committed-step for a leader.

Let us clean up the communication part now :-)

Forget astrology symbols or what 12th house means to you, which I

bet would be different from what umpteen others have if you have an

open poll, right here.

Now, mind you -- if you ever feel scared or unsure and decide to

fall back into status quo, we your buddies in the follower's dungeon

are always HERE to catch your fall. Some of us may try to poke fun

at you, but those would be less hurtful than hitting the concrete

floor -- so be thankful that thousands of us bitching but softer

than concrete *followers* are here, back down here!

Enough chit chat. Tell us how this thread should be managed. Be

thoughtful because some of us have been followers so long and

bitterly so that you make one mistake and we will dice you to

pieces, astrologically ;-)

RR

, Ahir Bhairav

<aahir_bhairav wrote:

>

> RR ji, I dare not ask / confront in an open forum , this was just

a lame attempt to rise above my 12th house conglomeration of planets

and thought could channelize it somehow...Morality or lack of it was

the major issue faced by me and from time to time was given

different labels, and i always accepted them without doubt. Now that

my back is against the wall, i thought it was high time i did

something about it. Only very recently I've started accepting a few

challenges in my daily life and that got me started and question

everything that I almost so blindly accepted until now . This is a

transition phase for me so i can neither be called a follower nort a

leader...

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> No -- what I was saying was:

> I believe that morality is learned in the first several years of

life

> This is the period, usually (not always) that the vimshottari

dasha

> of the planet in which natal moon is -- runs

> hence I was connecting the two together and wondering if the

> birthstar has a say in what kind of influences we experience and

how

> that connects to our type/level of morality.

> It was a thought-experiment, not a golden conclusion!

>

> Sorry if I confused you by that.

>

> In my viewpoint, the true leaders are not the ones who have the

> answers but the ones who are curious enough and brave enough to

ask

> questions, to challenge the status quo, and confront the "just

> because it is old it must be gold" club! You asked a question and

so

> I sensed a leader in you. Just to complete the picture, the

> followers are the silent majority who just show up in the numbers

> but really don't even exist or count!

>

> An open challenge, thus thrown at them hereby ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , Ahir Bhairav

> <aahir_bhairav@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello !

> >

> > I thought you mentioned yesterday about moon's nakshatra in

> connection with morality. I rechecked and actually it was

Rishiji's

> message in some different context.

> > I am just sort of overwhelmed, and not sure what you mean by

> my "lead us"...Sorry .

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > Dear Ragaji,

> >

> > What I had to say about morality, I have already stated :-)

> > I have also repeatedly stated my views based on personal

> > observations that it is futile to begin to believe that in

> astrology

> > opinions like "what ashlesha represents or will do to morality

or

> > mars in cancer would or jupiter in 7th would" are dangerous red

> > herrings. And these start a myth and a superstition (a belief

> which

> > is held without challenging it, without observing it critically

> and

> > often just basing judgment on hearsay and not even informed

> > anecdotal evidence). I am opposed to that and through data keep

> > demonstrating and challenging such myths, be they some yoga, KSY

> or

> > sadesati or whatever. And I am happy to note that I am not alone.

> >

> > I am waiting now for an informed astrological response from you

in

> > this new leadership role you have volunteered for!

> >

> > Please lead us ...

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Ahir Bhairav

> > <aahir_bhairav@> wrote:

> > >

> > > RR ji,

> > >

> > > Can you please continue your discussion on morality and

moon's

> > nakshatra ? What is your observation about Aslesha, the

clinging

> > star ?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > Mail

> > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

> > >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

> > Mail

> > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

> >

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

> Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software

Visit your group "" on the web.

March 3, 2006

Dear friend,

Perhaps you were the catalyst that served as the activator of the

recently witnessed reaction! Interesting thing is that in a

reaction, the catalyst is the cocreator, the activator and almost

always the catalyst does not get consumed! It remains untouched! You

give the chemists amongst us a beatiful example of this phenomenon!

Quite frankly -- I have griped privately and openly about this

silent majority that remains silent on a large forum like this.

Thousands of members and only a handful participate. Are the others

even there or did they just and leave (no email option!)?

Are we talking with thousands or the handful that have their own

viewpoint of the astrological reality?

In such a confined context where few are interacting and all seem to

be quite literate, astrologically that is -- are we preaching to the

already converted?

When few are speaking -- it is easier to get to a point where

certain views do not manage to get expressed to the satisfaction of

those factions and attacks start. it is very human. The only

solution is vocally expressed democracy. If the silent members get

engaged and ask question, or even ask for readings, seriously (!)

more benefits will acrue and those given to acrimony when inactive

will be spared succumbing to their weaknesses.

Just trying to be helpful ...

RR

, Ahir Bhairav

<aahir_bhairav wrote:

>

> I wasn't expecting such "special" treatment..i thought i would be

able to just blend in...thanks anyways. But i have no clue really

how this thread can be handled, I asked a question if moon in

aslesha had something to do with one's questionable behaviour.

> I understand that alone cannot be a factor but i don't want to

give my birthdata and get disqualified outright morality is

learnt during one's formative years, but what is it that compel's

one to let go of it...

>

> You are a leader! You have grown beyond yourself to be able to

talk

> about you almost in third person! That is the absolute required

and

> as some scientists say, the committed-step for a leader.

> Let us clean up the communication part now :-)

> Forget astrology symbols or what 12th house means to you, which I

> bet would be different from what umpteen others have if you have

an

> open poll, right here.

> Now, mind you -- if you ever feel scared or unsure and decide to

> fall back into status quo, we your buddies in the follower's

dungeon

> are always HERE to catch your fall. Some of us may try to poke fun

> at you, but those would be less hurtful than hitting the concrete

> floor -- so be thankful that thousands of us bitching but softer

> than concrete *followers* are here, back down here!

>

> Enough chit chat. Tell us how this thread should be managed. Be

> thoughtful because some of us have been followers so long and

> bitterly so that you make one mistake and we will dice you to

> pieces, astrologically ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , Ahir Bhairav

> <aahir_bhairav@> wrote:

> >

> > RR ji, I dare not ask / confront in an open forum , this was

just

> a lame attempt to rise above my 12th house conglomeration of

planets

> and thought could channelize it somehow...Morality or lack of it

was

> the major issue faced by me and from time to time was given

> different labels, and i always accepted them without doubt. Now

that

> my back is against the wall, i thought it was high time i did

> something about it. Only very recently I've started accepting a

few

> challenges in my daily life and that got me started and question

> everything that I almost so blindly accepted until now . This is a

> transition phase for me so i can neither be called a follower nort

a

> leader...

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > No -- what I was saying was:

> > I believe that morality is learned in the first several years of

> life

> > This is the period, usually (not always) that the vimshottari

> dasha

> > of the planet in which natal moon is -- runs

> > hence I was connecting the two together and wondering if the

> > birthstar has a say in what kind of influences we experience and

> how

> > that connects to our type/level of morality.

> > It was a thought-experiment, not a golden conclusion!

> >

> > Sorry if I confused you by that.

> >

> > In my viewpoint, the true leaders are not the ones who have the

> > answers but the ones who are curious enough and brave enough to

> ask

> > questions, to challenge the status quo, and confront the "just

> > because it is old it must be gold" club! You asked a question

and

> so

> > I sensed a leader in you. Just to complete the picture, the

> > followers are the silent majority who just show up in the

numbers

> > but really don't even exist or count!

> >

> > An open challenge, thus thrown at them hereby ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Ahir Bhairav

> > <aahir_bhairav@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello !

> > >

> > > I thought you mentioned yesterday about moon's nakshatra in

> > connection with morality. I rechecked and actually it was

> Rishiji's

> > message in some different context.

> > > I am just sort of overwhelmed, and not sure what you mean by

> > my "lead us"...Sorry .

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ragaji,

> > >

> > > What I had to say about morality, I have already stated :-)

> > > I have also repeatedly stated my views based on personal

> > > observations that it is futile to begin to believe that in

> > astrology

> > > opinions like "what ashlesha represents or will do to morality

> or

> > > mars in cancer would or jupiter in 7th would" are dangerous

red

> > > herrings. And these start a myth and a superstition (a belief

> > which

> > > is held without challenging it, without observing it

critically

> > and

> > > often just basing judgment on hearsay and not even informed

> > > anecdotal evidence). I am opposed to that and through data

keep

> > > demonstrating and challenging such myths, be they some yoga,

KSY

> > or

> > > sadesati or whatever. And I am happy to note that I am not

alone.

> > >

> > > I am waiting now for an informed astrological response from

you

> in

> > > this new leadership role you have volunteered for!

> > >

> > > Please lead us ...

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Ahir Bhairav

> > > <aahir_bhairav@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RR ji,

> > > >

> > > > Can you please continue your discussion on morality and

> moon's

> > > nakshatra ? What is your observation about Aslesha, the

> clinging

> > > star ?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Mail

> > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

> > > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > > Terms

of

> > Service.

> > >

> > > Mail

> > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

> > >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

> Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

March 3, 2006

so long RR ji !

I don't want to stretch this too far, leaving with a new label of

"catalyst"...

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

Dear friend,

Perhaps you were the catalyst that served as the activator of the

recently witnessed reaction! Interesting thing is that in a

reaction, the catalyst is the cocreator, the activator and almost

always the catalyst does not get consumed! It remains untouched! You

give the chemists amongst us a beatiful example of this phenomenon!

Quite frankly -- I have griped privately and openly about this

silent majority that remains silent on a large forum like this.

Thousands of members and only a handful participate. Are the others

even there or did they just and leave (no email option!)?

Are we talking with thousands or the handful that have their own

viewpoint of the astrological reality?

In such a confined context where few are interacting and all seem to

be quite literate, astrologically that is -- are we preaching to the

already converted?

When few are speaking -- it is easier to get to a point where

certain views do not manage to get expressed to the satisfaction of

those factions and attacks start. it is very human. The only

solution is vocally expressed democracy. If the silent members get

engaged and ask question, or even ask for readings, seriously (!)

more benefits will acrue and those given to acrimony when inactive

will be spared succumbing to their weaknesses.

Just trying to be helpful ...

RR

, Ahir Bhairav

<aahir_bhairav wrote:

>

> I wasn't expecting such "special" treatment..i thought i would be

able to just blend in...thanks anyways. But i have no clue really

how this thread can be handled, I asked a question if moon in

aslesha had something to do with one's questionable behaviour.

> I understand that alone cannot be a factor but i don't want to

give my birthdata and get disqualified outright morality is

learnt during one's formative years, but what is it that compel's

one to let go of it...

>

> You are a leader! You have grown beyond yourself to be able to

talk

> about you almost in third person! That is the absolute required

and

> as some scientists say, the committed-step for a leader.

> Let us clean up the communication part now :-)

> Forget astrology symbols or what 12th house means to you, which I

> bet would be different from what umpteen others have if you have

an

> open poll, right here.

> Now, mind you -- if you ever feel scared or unsure and decide to

> fall back into status quo, we your buddies in the follower's

dungeon

> are always HERE to catch your fall. Some of us may try to poke fun

> at you, but those would be less hurtful than hitting the concrete

> floor -- so be thankful that thousands of us bitching but softer

> than concrete *followers* are here, back down here!

>

> Enough chit chat. Tell us how this thread should be managed. Be

> thoughtful because some of us have been followers so long and

> bitterly so that you make one mistake and we will dice you to

> pieces, astrologically ;-)

>

> RR

>

> , Ahir Bhairav

> <aahir_bhairav@> wrote:

> >

> > RR ji, I dare not ask / confront in an open forum , this was

just

> a lame attempt to rise above my 12th house conglomeration of

planets

> and thought could channelize it somehow...Morality or lack of it

was

> the major issue faced by me and from time to time was given

> different labels, and i always accepted them without doubt. Now

that

> my back is against the wall, i thought it was high time i did

> something about it. Only very recently I've started accepting a

few

> challenges in my daily life and that got me started and question

> everything that I almost so blindly accepted until now . This is a

> transition phase for me so i can neither be called a follower nort

a

> leader...

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > No -- what I was saying was:

> > I believe that morality is learned in the first several years of

> life

> > This is the period, usually (not always) that the vimshottari

> dasha

> > of the planet in which natal moon is -- runs

> > hence I was connecting the two together and wondering if the

> > birthstar has a say in what kind of influences we experience and

> how

> > that connects to our type/level of morality.

> > It was a thought-experiment, not a golden conclusion!

> >

> > Sorry if I confused you by that.

> >

> > In my viewpoint, the true leaders are not the ones who have the

> > answers but the ones who are curious enough and brave enough to

> ask

> > questions, to challenge the status quo, and confront the "just

> > because it is old it must be gold" club! You asked a question

and

> so

> > I sensed a leader in you. Just to complete the picture, the

> > followers are the silent majority who just show up in the

numbers

> > but really don't even exist or count!

> >

> > An open challenge, thus thrown at them hereby ;-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Ahir Bhairav

> > <aahir_bhairav@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello !

> > >

> > > I thought you mentioned yesterday about moon's nakshatra in

> > connection with morality. I rechecked and actually it was

> Rishiji's

> > message in some different context.

> > > I am just sort of overwhelmed, and not sure what you mean by

> > my "lead us"...Sorry .

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > Dear Ragaji,

> > >

> > > What I had to say about morality, I have already stated :-)

> > > I have also repeatedly stated my views based on personal

> > > observations that it is futile to begin to believe that in

> > astrology

> > > opinions like "what ashlesha represents or will do to morality

> or

> > > mars in cancer would or jupiter in 7th would" are dangerous

red

> > > herrings. And these start a myth and a superstition (a belief

> > which

> > > is held without challenging it, without observing it

critically

> > and

> > > often just basing judgment on hearsay and not even informed

> > > anecdotal evidence). I am opposed to that and through data

keep

> > > demonstrating and challenging such myths, be they some yoga,

KSY

> > or

> > > sadesati or whatever. And I am happy to note that I am not

alone.

> > >

> > > I am waiting now for an informed astrological response from

you

> in

> > > this new leadership role you have volunteered for!

> > >

> > > Please lead us ...

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Ahir Bhairav

> > > <aahir_bhairav@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > RR ji,

> > > >

> > > > Can you please continue your discussion on morality and

> moon's

> > > nakshatra ? What is your observation about Aslesha, the

> clinging

> > > star ?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > >

> > > > Mail

> > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

> > > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH

> > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > > Terms

of

> > Service.

> > >

> > > Mail

> > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

> > >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH

> THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > Terms of

> Service.

> >

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH

THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

> Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> Terms of

Service.

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software

Visit your group "" on the web.

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