PUBLIC Call for moderators and members to respond!

Posted March 3, 2006 · March 3, 2006

Tanvir, Neeraj, members --

Please respond publicly and explain to me why this sarcasm directed

by member Mr. Arjun (which he claims is his penname in some message)

is justified or allowed to be published on this forum?

Have I claimed to be a leader here?

DO I deserve this kind of insult??

Is this now the acceptable code of conduct by general spiritual

acceptance on this forum, by vocal and silent members regardless of

whether they love or hate what I feel I have the right to say?

Rohiniranjan

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> Sorry if I hit some sensitive button Mr. Arjun!

>

> I am not and have never claimed to be the leader here, disputed or

> otherwise. So please do not get personal for whatever personal

> reasons and issues you have, which I am unaware of -- but I did

not

> fall off the turnip truck yesterday!

>

> I am pushing some buttons, obviously, some stale and antiquated

ways

> of thinking, but that does not mean that I will tolerate any

> personal flings like this!

>

> Please keep your personal attributions and in that sense 'name-

> callings' to yourself. This is not in keeping with your self-

> proclaimed monastic, austere spiritual way that you have talked

> about here earlier.

>

> Also, I do not want you to misuse your internet cafe time for

> useless pursuits like trashing 'RRji' who has already admitted to

> being this janitor at this high school and busy cleaning messes!

>

> Please do not take it personally, but since you pointed your laser

> at me by name, I must respond, because that is my right!

>

> RR

>

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear friends

> >

> > in the last few mails, RR ji let his reliased thoughts flow in

his

> > own uninimitable style. needless to say RR is the (un)disputed

> > leader of JR.

> >

> > let me share my own realisation experiences with the more

> fortunate

> > members of this group.

> >

> > gods and planets are like ATMs for an unrealised person and they

> > exist somewhere else from where the native expects to receive

> > something and lives in a permanent physchological order to

believe

> > that his wealth is somewhere else in these ATMs. Also these

> > unrealised persons believe that god is somewhere in the higher

> > altitudes or in the caves and in that process they keep going on

> in

> > circles to find god nowhere. all great realised people have

> shared

> > and penned these experiences in their autobiographies and i can

> > quote many. these unrealised people keep marching untiringly in

> > their bahar yatra forever endlessly changing their destinations

> > continuously on a consistent basis.

> >

> > Gita (can give verse numbers) says that for a reliased person,

> vedas

> > and shastras are meaningless. also for a realised person god is

> > within. all these realised persons speak truth and march

inwards

> > (antar yatra) and control their body, mind and soul with which

> they

> > realise their self and the invisible formless god within. once

> > these realised persons realise the god and align with the god

> within

> > they are gods. these realised persons possess the power to do

and

> > undo things whether one believes them or not or whether science

> > accepts them or not.

> >

> > what people like me does is a psychic job which is why i

consider

> > myself a healer first and an astrologer second. in healing when

a

> > native comes with a problem with a pre-mindset to diagnoise only

> > through planets, we speak the native's language with empathy and

> > give him or her the much needed healing and relieve him or her

of

> > the pain or suffering.

> >

> > once a customer who is a doctor mentioned that only a best

lunatic

> > can treat and cure the lunatics as he only knows and feel the

> > problems of a lunatic. request more learnt members to correct

> this

> > doctor's observation if he is wrong.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > , Tatvamasi

> > <om_tatsat_om@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Friends,

> > >

> > > A horoscope is true representation of a person's

> > > chromosomal(genetic) structure.

> > > Planets and their placements in different houses

> > > indicate genes placement and they have specific

> > > predefined course of actionwhich can be equated to

> > > a genetic code of a plant which gives only specific

> > > colour to a flower etc. You alter such properties by

> > > sexual cross pollination/gene mutation.

> > >

> > > Speaking about freewill, may be it is also your fate

> > > that you exercise freewill. God knows the truth.

> > > Tatvam-Asi

> > >

> > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Through your statement below "Many people were led

> > > > to belive that

> > > > they were let down ..] I am getting the impression

> > > > that you truly

> > > > believe that planets make things happen, and hence

> > > > humans have no

> > > > free-will or freedom of choice and that we are

> > > > subservient to

> > > > astrological factors -- all of us.

> > > >

> > > > I disagree. We have only recently talked about

> > > > Yogananda and his

> > > > statements and how he overcame planetary restraints

> > > > and of course

> > > > this forum is about remedies, about changing fate

> > > > and at least that

> > > > belief operates here.

> > > >

> > > > My viewpoint indicates that this is not so. Not

> > > > everyone is equally

> > > > subservient to planets. Planets are just alphabets.

> > > >

> > > > To use a very graphic example. A HATE message

> > > > written on your garage

> > > > is ver hurtful, powerful, but it is not the letters

> > > > (planets) that

> > > > give that negative emotional impact to that hate

> > > > message which

> > > > brought about this transformational moment in your

> > > > life when you

> > > > came back home and saw the hate message!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , vattem

> > > > krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > All 27 asterisms contribute to morality as well as

> > > > leaders.Aslesha

> > > > is no exceptio as world has seen what Mahatma

> > > > Gandhi,Paul Macartney

> > > > and oscar wilde.

> > > > > The Stars certainly have say in all aspects and

> > > > beyond doubt

> > > > morality as an instinct too comes as a contribution.

> > > > > If we do not really mix up and able to steer for

> > > > clear

> > > > views,Astrology as an assorted subjects has several

> > > > parameters

> > > > including signs,houses and bhavas and the

> > > > interactions and

> > > > conjunctions that gets imposed and influence life.Of

> > > > these some have

> > > > no issues with Mars in Cancer and other have no

> > > > problems with 7th

> > > > jupiter.If these for a moment are considered as some

> > > > kind of

> > > > exceptions,many people find that they were let down

> > > > in lives by

> > > > these conjunctions and aspects.

> > > > > But a leader is one who is able to overcome and

> > > > show his great

> > > > and has a binding(at least the will to achieve).This

> > > > issue of

> > > > morality(commitment) has pronounced visibility that

> > > > provides

> > > > opportunity(considering as role model) to some thing

> > > > to "do like

> > > > that".Astrology in deep perspective could make

> > > > revealations out of

> > > > stars.The so called leaders where ever they have

> > > > emerged and

> > > > contributed for the goodwill of universe have base

> > > > in their stars

> > > > irrespective of Rahu,ketu and saturn etc which we

> > > > often veer around

> > > > and fail to appreciate the positive aspects of

> > > > stars.

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Ragaji,

> > > > >

> > > > > What I had to say about morality, I have already

> > > > stated :-)

> > > > > I have also repeatedly stated my views based on

> > > > personal

> > > > > observations that it is futile to begin to believe

> > > > that in

> > > > astrology

> > > > > opinions like "what ashlesha represents or will do

> > > > to morality or

> > > > > mars in cancer would or jupiter in 7th would" are

> > > > dangerous red

> > > > > herrings. And these start a myth and a

> > > > superstition (a belief

> > > > which

> > > > > is held without challenging it, without observing

> > > > it critically

> > > > and

> > > > > often just basing judgment on hearsay and not even

> > > > informed

> > > > > anecdotal evidence). I am opposed to that and

> > > > through data keep

> > > > > demonstrating and challenging such myths, be they

> > > > some yoga, KSY

> > > > or

> > > > > sadesati or whatever. And I am happy to note that

> > > > I am not alone.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am waiting now for an informed astrological

> > > > response from you in

> > > > > this new leadership role you have volunteered for!

> > > > >

> > > > > Please lead us ...

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , Ahir

> > > > Bhairav

> > > > > <aahir_bhairav@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you please continue your discussion on

> > > > morality and moon's

> > > > > nakshatra ? What is your observation about

> > > > Aslesha, the clinging

> > > > > star ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mail

> > > > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying

> > > > attachments.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH

> > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart

> > > > Astrology software

> > > > >

> > > > > Visit your group "" on the

> > > > web.

> > > > >

> > > > > To from this group, send an email

> > > > to:

> > > > >

> > > > > Your use of is subject to the

> > > > Terms of

> > > > Service.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mail

> > > > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing

> > > > a breeze.

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

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> > >

> >

>

Posted March 3, 2006 · March 3, 2006

Dear Shri Rohini ji

When several views forth coming from a broad spectrum covering

morality,astrology,psychology and even genitics,probably the issues of leaders

and issue of leadership is only a passing reference.I do not think that needs to

be taken personally and even I would like to initiate a kind of remorse for the

unintentional inklings and reflections.In the spirit of forgive and forget let

us forge a balanced view.if some kind of thoughts were made to feel you

otherwise please forgive.I think Arjun ji has already come out by taking back

his writings.probably it is nice if we can really switch over to very very

interesting forth coming.No doubt all of us some how some times in our

enethusiasm forget some basics.All these views may not be taken as very personal

as none of us for that have anything in person against any one.

May be we tend to go by the style of references and observe.Certainly some

more restraint and patience is need when we really button back to reply.

iam sure you are at ease to accept to the reformed views tenedered by Mr Arjun

ji as in very certain terms he felt sotty and expressed

krishnan

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

Tanvir, Neeraj, members --

Please respond publicly and explain to me why this sarcasm directed

by member Mr. Arjun (which he claims is his penname in some message)

is justified or allowed to be published on this forum?

Have I claimed to be a leader here?

DO I deserve this kind of insult??

Is this now the acceptable code of conduct by general spiritual

acceptance on this forum, by vocal and silent members regardless of

whether they love or hate what I feel I have the right to say?

Rohiniranjan

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> Sorry if I hit some sensitive button Mr. Arjun!

>

> I am not and have never claimed to be the leader here, disputed or

> otherwise. So please do not get personal for whatever personal

> reasons and issues you have, which I am unaware of -- but I did

not

> fall off the turnip truck yesterday!

>

> I am pushing some buttons, obviously, some stale and antiquated

ways

> of thinking, but that does not mean that I will tolerate any

> personal flings like this!

>

> Please keep your personal attributions and in that sense 'name-

> callings' to yourself. This is not in keeping with your self-

> proclaimed monastic, austere spiritual way that you have talked

> about here earlier.

>

> Also, I do not want you to misuse your internet cafe time for

> useless pursuits like trashing 'RRji' who has already admitted to

> being this janitor at this high school and busy cleaning messes!

>

> Please do not take it personally, but since you pointed your laser

> at me by name, I must respond, because that is my right!

>

> RR

>

> , "panditarjun2004"

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear friends

> >

> > in the last few mails, RR ji let his reliased thoughts flow in

his

> > own uninimitable style. needless to say RR is the (un)disputed

> > leader of JR.

> >

> > let me share my own realisation experiences with the more

> fortunate

> > members of this group.

> >

> > gods and planets are like ATMs for an unrealised person and they

> > exist somewhere else from where the native expects to receive

> > something and lives in a permanent physchological order to

believe

> > that his wealth is somewhere else in these ATMs. Also these

> > unrealised persons believe that god is somewhere in the higher

> > altitudes or in the caves and in that process they keep going on

> in

> > circles to find god nowhere. all great realised people have

> shared

> > and penned these experiences in their autobiographies and i can

> > quote many. these unrealised people keep marching untiringly in

> > their bahar yatra forever endlessly changing their destinations

> > continuously on a consistent basis.

> >

> > Gita (can give verse numbers) says that for a reliased person,

> vedas

> > and shastras are meaningless. also for a realised person god is

> > within. all these realised persons speak truth and march

inwards

> > (antar yatra) and control their body, mind and soul with which

> they

> > realise their self and the invisible formless god within. once

> > these realised persons realise the god and align with the god

> within

> > they are gods. these realised persons possess the power to do

and

> > undo things whether one believes them or not or whether science

> > accepts them or not.

> >

> > what people like me does is a psychic job which is why i

consider

> > myself a healer first and an astrologer second. in healing when

a

> > native comes with a problem with a pre-mindset to diagnoise only

> > through planets, we speak the native's language with empathy and

> > give him or her the much needed healing and relieve him or her

of

> > the pain or suffering.

> >

> > once a customer who is a doctor mentioned that only a best

lunatic

> > can treat and cure the lunatics as he only knows and feel the

> > problems of a lunatic. request more learnt members to correct

> this

> > doctor's observation if he is wrong.

> >

> > with best wishes

> > arjun

> >

> > , Tatvamasi

> > <om_tatsat_om@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Friends,

> > >

> > > A horoscope is true representation of a person's

> > > chromosomal(genetic) structure.

> > > Planets and their placements in different houses

> > > indicate genes placement and they have specific

> > > predefined course of actionwhich can be equated to

> > > a genetic code of a plant which gives only specific

> > > colour to a flower etc. You alter such properties by

> > > sexual cross pollination/gene mutation.

> > >

> > > Speaking about freewill, may be it is also your fate

> > > that you exercise freewill. God knows the truth.

> > > Tatvam-Asi

> > >

> > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Through your statement below "Many people were led

> > > > to belive that

> > > > they were let down ..] I am getting the impression

> > > > that you truly

> > > > believe that planets make things happen, and hence

> > > > humans have no

> > > > free-will or freedom of choice and that we are

> > > > subservient to

> > > > astrological factors -- all of us.

> > > >

> > > > I disagree. We have only recently talked about

> > > > Yogananda and his

> > > > statements and how he overcame planetary restraints

> > > > and of course

> > > > this forum is about remedies, about changing fate

> > > > and at least that

> > > > belief operates here.

> > > >

> > > > My viewpoint indicates that this is not so. Not

> > > > everyone is equally

> > > > subservient to planets. Planets are just alphabets.

> > > >

> > > > To use a very graphic example. A HATE message

> > > > written on your garage

> > > > is ver hurtful, powerful, but it is not the letters

> > > > (planets) that

> > > > give that negative emotional impact to that hate

> > > > message which

> > > > brought about this transformational moment in your

> > > > life when you

> > > > came back home and saw the hate message!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , vattem

> > > > krishnan

> > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > All 27 asterisms contribute to morality as well as

> > > > leaders.Aslesha

> > > > is no exceptio as world has seen what Mahatma

> > > > Gandhi,Paul Macartney

> > > > and oscar wilde.

> > > > > The Stars certainly have say in all aspects and

> > > > beyond doubt

> > > > morality as an instinct too comes as a contribution.

> > > > > If we do not really mix up and able to steer for

> > > > clear

> > > > views,Astrology as an assorted subjects has several

> > > > parameters

> > > > including signs,houses and bhavas and the

> > > > interactions and

> > > > conjunctions that gets imposed and influence life.Of

> > > > these some have

> > > > no issues with Mars in Cancer and other have no

> > > > problems with 7th

> > > > jupiter.If these for a moment are considered as some

> > > > kind of

> > > > exceptions,many people find that they were let down

> > > > in lives by

> > > > these conjunctions and aspects.

> > > > > But a leader is one who is able to overcome and

> > > > show his great

> > > > and has a binding(at least the will to achieve).This

> > > > issue of

> > > > morality(commitment) has pronounced visibility that

> > > > provides

> > > > opportunity(considering as role model) to some thing

> > > > to "do like

> > > > that".Astrology in deep perspective could make

> > > > revealations out of

> > > > stars.The so called leaders where ever they have

> > > > emerged and

> > > > contributed for the goodwill of universe have base

> > > > in their stars

> > > > irrespective of Rahu,ketu and saturn etc which we

> > > > often veer around

> > > > and fail to appreciate the positive aspects of

> > > > stars.

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > >

> > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Ragaji,

> > > > >

> > > > > What I had to say about morality, I have already

> > > > stated :-)

> > > > > I have also repeatedly stated my views based on

> > > > personal

> > > > > observations that it is futile to begin to believe

> > > > that in

> > > > astrology

> > > > > opinions like "what ashlesha represents or will do

> > > > to morality or

> > > > > mars in cancer would or jupiter in 7th would" are

> > > > dangerous red

> > > > > herrings. And these start a myth and a

> > > > superstition (a belief

> > > > which

> > > > > is held without challenging it, without observing

> > > > it critically

> > > > and

> > > > > often just basing judgment on hearsay and not even

> > > > informed

> > > > > anecdotal evidence). I am opposed to that and

> > > > through data keep

> > > > > demonstrating and challenging such myths, be they

> > > > some yoga, KSY

> > > > or

> > > > > sadesati or whatever. And I am happy to note that

> > > > I am not alone.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am waiting now for an informed astrological

> > > > response from you in

> > > > > this new leadership role you have volunteered for!

> > > > >

> > > > > Please lead us ...

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , Ahir

> > > > Bhairav

> > > > > <aahir_bhairav@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can you please continue your discussion on

> > > > morality and moon's

> > > > > nakshatra ? What is your observation about

> > > > Aslesha, the clinging

> > > > > star ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mail

> > > > > > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying

> > > > attachments.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE

> > > > DIVINITY AND RELISH

> > > > THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart

> > > > Astrology software

> > > > >

> > > > > Visit your group "" on the

> > > > web.

> > > > >

> > > > > To from this group, send an email

> > > > to:

> > > > >

> > > > > Your use of is subject to the

> > > > Terms of

> > > > Service.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mail

> > > > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing

> > > > a breeze.

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> > >

> >

>

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF

ABSOLUTE BLISS.

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Posted March 3, 2006 · March 3, 2006

Respected Gurujan,

I do not know if I speak for the entire group or not, over a year or

so , I have realized that four respected gurus of this group are

shri Ranjan ji , Krishnan ji , Ashutosh ji , and Arjun ji , not

necessarily in that order.

These four stalwarts are the pillars of this group. We feel hurt

when any body shows disrespect to any of these luminaries.

It becomes all the more painful if any of these stalwarts feels hurt

and says so.

With naman to all gurujan,

Varun Trivedi

, vattem krishnan

<bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Rohini ji

> When several views forth coming from a broad spectrum covering

morality,astrology,psychology and even genitics,probably the issues

of leaders and issue of leadership is only a passing reference.I do

not think that needs to be taken personally and even I would like to

initiate a kind of remorse for the unintentional inklings and

reflections.In the spirit of forgive and forget let us forge a

balanced view.if some kind of thoughts were made to feel you

otherwise please forgive.I think Arjun ji has already come out by

taking back his writings.probably it is nice if we can really switch

over to very very interesting forth coming.No doubt all of us some

how some times in our enethusiasm forget some basics.All these views

may not be taken as very personal as none of us for that have

anything in person against any one.

> May be we tend to go by the style of references and

observe.Certainly some more restraint and patience is need when we

really button back to reply.

> iam sure you are at ease to accept to the reformed views

tenedered by Mr Arjun ji as in very certain terms he felt sotty and

expressed

> krishnan

>

> rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> Tanvir, Neeraj, members --

>

> Please respond publicly and explain to me why this sarcasm

directed

> by member Mr. Arjun (which he claims is his penname in some

message)

> is justified or allowed to be published on this forum?

>

> Have I claimed to be a leader here?

> DO I deserve this kind of insult??

>

> Is this now the acceptable code of conduct by general spiritual

> acceptance on this forum, by vocal and silent members regardless

of

> whether they love or hate what I feel I have the right to say?

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Sorry if I hit some sensitive button Mr. Arjun!

> >

> > I am not and have never claimed to be the leader here, disputed

or

> > otherwise. So please do not get personal for whatever personal

> > reasons and issues you have, which I am unaware of -- but I did

> not

> > fall off the turnip truck yesterday!

> >

> > I am pushing some buttons, obviously, some stale and antiquated

> ways

> > of thinking, but that does not mean that I will tolerate any

> > personal flings like this!

> >

> > Please keep your personal attributions and in that sense 'name-

> > callings' to yourself. This is not in keeping with your self-

> > proclaimed monastic, austere spiritual way that you have talked

> > about here earlier.

> >

> > Also, I do not want you to misuse your internet cafe time for

> > useless pursuits like trashing 'RRji' who has already admitted

to

> > being this janitor at this high school and busy cleaning messes!

> >

> > Please do not take it personally, but since you pointed your

laser

> > at me by name, I must respond, because that is my right!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "panditarjun2004"

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friends

> > >

> > > in the last few mails, RR ji let his reliased thoughts flow in

> his

> > > own uninimitable style. needless to say RR is the (un)

disputed

> > > leader of JR.

> > >

> > > let me share my own realisation experiences with the more

> > fortunate

> > > members of this group.

> > >

> > > gods and planets are like ATMs for an unrealised person and

they

> > > exist somewhere else from where the native expects to receive

> > > something and lives in a permanent physchological order to

> believe

> > > that his wealth is somewhere else in these ATMs. Also these

> > > unrealised persons believe that god is somewhere in the higher

> > > altitudes or in the caves and in that process they keep going

on

> > in

> > > circles to find god nowhere. all great realised people have

> > shared

> > > and penned these experiences in their autobiographies and i

can

> > > quote many. these unrealised people keep marching untiringly

in

> > > their bahar yatra forever endlessly changing their

destinations

> > > continuously on a consistent basis.

> > >

> > > Gita (can give verse numbers) says that for a reliased person,

> > vedas

> > > and shastras are meaningless. also for a realised person god

is

> > > within. all these realised persons speak truth and march

> inwards

> > > (antar yatra) and control their body, mind and soul with which

> > they

> > > realise their self and the invisible formless god within.

once

> > > these realised persons realise the god and align with the god

> > within

> > > they are gods. these realised persons possess the power to do

> and

> > > undo things whether one believes them or not or whether

science

> > > accepts them or not.

> > >

> > > what people like me does is a psychic job which is why i

> consider

> > > myself a healer first and an astrologer second. in healing

when

> a

> > > native comes with a problem with a pre-mindset to diagnoise

only

> > > through planets, we speak the native's language with empathy

and

> > > give him or her the much needed healing and relieve him or her

> of

> > > the pain or suffering.

> > >

> > > once a customer who is a doctor mentioned that only a best

> lunatic

> > > can treat and cure the lunatics as he only knows and feel the

> > > problems of a lunatic. request more learnt members to correct

> > this

> > > doctor's observation if he is wrong.

> > >

> > > with best wishes

> > > arjun

> > >

> > > , Tatvamasi

> > > <om_tatsat_om@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Friends,

> > > >

> > > > A horoscope is true representation of a person's

> > > > chromosomal(genetic) structure.

> > > > Planets and their placements in different houses

> > > > indicate genes placement and they have specific

> > > > predefined course of actionwhich can be equated to

> > > > a genetic code of a plant which gives only specific

> > > > colour to a flower etc. You alter such properties by

> > > > sexual cross pollination/gene mutation.

> > > >

> > > > Speaking about freewill, may be it is also your fate

> > > > that you exercise freewill. God knows the truth.

> > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > >

> > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Through your statement below "Many people were led

> > > > > to belive that

> > > > > they were let down ..] I am getting the impression

> > > > > that you truly

> > > > > believe that planets make things happen, and hence

> > > > > humans have no

> > > > > free-will or freedom of choice and that we are

> > > > > subservient to

> > > > > astrological factors -- all of us.

> > > > >

> > > > > I disagree. We have only recently talked about

> > > > > Yogananda and his

> > > > > statements and how he overcame planetary restraints

> > > > > and of course

> > > > > this forum is about remedies, about changing fate

> > > > > and at least that

> > > > > belief operates here.

> > > > >

> > > > > My viewpoint indicates that this is not so. Not

> > > > > everyone is equally

> > > > > subservient to planets. Planets are just alphabets.

> > > > >

> > > > > To use a very graphic example. A HATE message

> > > > > written on your garage

> > > > > is ver hurtful, powerful, but it is not the letters

> > > > > (planets) that

> > > > > give that negative emotional impact to that hate

> > > > > message which

> > > > > brought about this transformational moment in your

> > > > > life when you

> > > > > came back home and saw the hate message!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , vattem

> > > > > krishnan

> > > > > <bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All 27 asterisms contribute to morality as well as

> > > > > leaders.Aslesha

> > > > > is no exceptio as world has seen what Mahatma

> > > > > Gandhi,Paul Macartney

> > > > > and oscar wilde.

> > > > > > The Stars certainly have say in all aspects and

> > > > > beyond doubt

> > > > > morality as an instinct too comes as a contribution.

> > > > > > If we do not really mix up and able to steer for

> > > > > clear

> > > > > views,Astrology as an assorted subjects has several

> > > > > parameters

> > > > > including signs,houses and bhavas and the

> > > > > interactions and

> > > > > conjunctions that gets imposed and influence life.Of

> > > > > these some have

> > > > > no issues with Mars in Cancer and other have no

> > > > > problems with 7th

> > > > > jupiter.If these for a moment are considered as some

> > > > > kind of

> > > > > exceptions,many people find that they were let down

> > > > > in lives by

> > > > > these conjunctions and aspects.

> > > > > > But a leader is one who is able to overcome and

> > > > > show his great

> > > > > and has a binding(at least the will to achieve).This

> > > > > issue of

> > > > > morality(commitment) has pronounced visibility that

> > > > > provides

> > > > > opportunity(considering as role model) to some thing

> > > > > to "do like

> > > > > that".Astrology in deep perspective could make

> > > > > revealations out of

> > > > > stars.The so called leaders where ever they have

> > > > > emerged and

> > > > > contributed for the goodwill of universe have base

> > > > > in their stars

> > > > > irrespective of Rahu,ketu and saturn etc which we

> > > > > often veer around

> > > > > and fail to appreciate the positive aspects of

> > > > > stars.

> > > > > > krishnan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Ragaji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What I had to say about morality, I have already

> > > > > stated :-)

> > > > > > I have also repeatedly stated my views based on

> > > > > personal

> > > > > > observations that it is futile to begin to believe

> > > > > that in

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > opinions like "what ashlesha represents or will do

> > > > > to morality or

> > > > > > mars in cancer would or jupiter in 7th would" are

> > > > > dangerous red

> > > > > > herrings. And these start a myth and a

> > > > > superstition (a belief

> > > > > which

> > > > > > is held without challenging it, without observing

> > > > > it critically

> > > > > and

> > > > > > often just basing judgment on hearsay and not even

> > > > > informed

> > > > > > anecdotal evidence). I am opposed to that and

> > > > > through data keep

> > > > > > demonstrating and challenging such myths, be they

> > > > > some yoga, KSY

> > > > > or

> > > > > > sadesati or whatever. And I am happy to note that

> > > > > I am not alone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am waiting now for an informed astrological

> > > > > response from you in

> > > > > > this new leadership role you have volunteered for!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please lead us ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Ahir

> > > > > Bhairav

> > > > > > <aahir_bhairav@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can you please continue your discussion on

> > > > > morality and moon's

> > > > > > nakshatra ? What is your observation about

> > > > > Aslesha, the clinging

> > > > > > star ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks

> > > > > > >

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Posted March 3, 2006 · March 3, 2006

Mr. Krishnan,

I appreciate your coming so quickly to respond and to defend Mr.

Arjun.

I fully understand! Thanks for taking the time to write!!

RR