Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Sada Shiv,Krishna, Ganesh, Hanuman....All are menifestations of Maha Kaal. For me there is no difference. If someone wants to attribute something to one of his swaroopa, Who am I to object. ? It is one ane the same.Krisna or Kaal, Shiv or Ganapathy. Tatvam-Asi --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > Raja Gopalan ji has rightly observed importance of > these epics and the moral conveyed than how and who? > Desrves all credit for such nice way in layman's > understanding > krishnan > > Tatvamasi <om_tatsat_om wrote: > Friends, > > As a lay man, I feel that if one is really hungry, > he > does not bother about who/how of food preparer or > preparation. > Thirst for Atma shakshatar and Atma kalyan is > quenched > by Srimad Bhavagvatam or Bagwat Geeta. Who wrote it > is > immaterial. > > Tatvam-Asi > > > --- B K <bkgswu wrote: > > > Bhagwad Gita, discourse between Sri Krishna and > > Arjuna is compiled by Sage Vyasa, Srimad > Bhagwadham > > too, then Is Sage Vyasa, the Creator of Sri > > Krishna's role? > > > > Do we follow Sri Krishna by reading Bhagwad Gita > > or are we following Sage Vyasa? > > > > Is Sage Vyasa present during the period of Sri > > Krishna and Srimad Bhagwatham? > > > > Or is it that Sri Krishna, who lived during > > Satyug, Heaven,the character was used by Sage > Vyasa > > to write His own ideas as Shastras to help Human > > beings of Dwapar (Yug of Duality) Yug. > > > > It is said that God Shiv is the real revealer of > > Gita not Sri Krishna.The significance of > considering > > Sri Krishna as revealer of Gita is actually to > > depict the teachings given by God Shiv at the end > of > > Kaliyug. > > > > Hope it is True that Why Sri Krishna's name was > > wrongly used instead of God Sri Sri Shiv is that > > during Satyug, Treta and Dwapar, the Saints can > only > > recollect only a part of happenings throughout the > > World Cycle of 5000 yrs and there is no clear > > introdcution of the actual role of God Shiv, God > > Shiv descend only during the end of Kaliyug to > give > > the Right Knowledge, the Real Gita. > > > > Rajagopalan Somayaji <ssrvj wrote: > > Srimath Bhaagavadham composed by sri.Veda Vyaasa > > > > > > > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > > PhotoMail - it's free and works with > Mail. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart > Astrology software > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > To from this group, send an email > to: > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a > breeze. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Sri Tatvamasi ji, Well said, sir. There is absolutely no difference too in my opinion as they are all the visualisations of the bahya roopa of the Supreme. All manifestations that help the native in Ultimate Knowledge of the Divine. Nalini , Tatvamasi <om_tatsat_om wrote: > > Sada Shiv,Krishna, Ganesh, Hanuman....All are > menifestations of Maha Kaal. For me there is no > difference. If someone wants to attribute something to > one of his swaroopa, Who am I to object. ? > It is one ane the same.Krisna or Kaal, Shiv or > Ganapathy. > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > > Raja Gopalan ji has rightly observed importance of > > these epics and the moral conveyed than how and who? > > Desrves all credit for such nice way in layman's > > understanding > > krishnan > > > > Tatvamasi <om_tatsat_om wrote: > > Friends, > > > > As a lay man, I feel that if one is really hungry, > > he > > does not bother about who/how of food preparer or > > preparation. > > Thirst for Atma shakshatar and Atma kalyan is > > quenched > > by Srimad Bhavagvatam or Bagwat Geeta. Who wrote it > > is > > immaterial. > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > --- B K <bkgswu wrote: > > > > > Bhagwad Gita, discourse between Sri Krishna and > > > Arjuna is compiled by Sage Vyasa, Srimad > > Bhagwadham > > > too, then Is Sage Vyasa, the Creator of Sri > > > Krishna's role? > > > > > > Do we follow Sri Krishna by reading Bhagwad Gita > > > or are we following Sage Vyasa? > > > > > > Is Sage Vyasa present during the period of Sri > > > Krishna and Srimad Bhagwatham? > > > > > > Or is it that Sri Krishna, who lived during > > > Satyug, Heaven,the character was used by Sage > > Vyasa > > > to write His own ideas as Shastras to help Human > > > beings of Dwapar (Yug of Duality) Yug. > > > > > > It is said that God Shiv is the real revealer of > > > Gita not Sri Krishna.The significance of > > considering > > > Sri Krishna as revealer of Gita is actually to > > > depict the teachings given by God Shiv at the end > > of > > > Kaliyug. > > > > > > Hope it is True that Why Sri Krishna's name was > > > wrongly used instead of God Sri Sri Shiv is that > > > during Satyug, Treta and Dwapar, the Saints can > > only > > > recollect only a part of happenings throughout the > > > World Cycle of 5000 yrs and there is no clear > > > introdcution of the actual role of God Shiv, God > > > Shiv descend only during the end of Kaliyug to > > give > > > the Right Knowledge, the Real Gita. > > > > > > Rajagopalan Somayaji <ssrvj wrote: > > > Srimath Bhaagavadham composed by sri.Veda Vyaasa > > > > > > > > > > > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > > > PhotoMail - it's free and works with > > Mail. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart > > Astrology software > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > To from this group, send an email > > to: > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a > > breeze. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 Dea Friends, In the pursuit of Supreem,one would like to choose a definete path be it bhakti or vairagya,as both considered to keep open the doors to Bhagwan as explained to Arjun ji by Lord krishna. For one's own determination and ability to concentrate his mind actions to find the Supreem.he goes on to imagine a roopa and swaroop to Mahakal.In the process one feels close to Lord Shiva,some body else to Lord Vishnu,otherwise,Vayuputra Hanuman's blessing to lead him to the doors of Supreem.These names and Swaroopas are just a matter of aim and target and to provide objectivity.Otherwise,human beings are aware all that these appearences are not much of significance.In their lives they have thought of a way and intiated praying and worshipping as per his or her family obligations and adopted it further and believed the approach as right to reach Atman,Paramatman about whom every one understood through decriptions made in our ancient scripts and epics.These choices may just be personal preferences without any pride and prejudice to religion,caste and his karmas krishnan auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote: Sri Tatvamasi ji, Well said, sir. There is absolutely no difference too in my opinion as they are all the visualisations of the bahya roopa of the Supreme. All manifestations that help the native in Ultimate Knowledge of the Divine. Nalini , Tatvamasi <om_tatsat_om wrote: > > Sada Shiv,Krishna, Ganesh, Hanuman....All are > menifestations of Maha Kaal. For me there is no > difference. If someone wants to attribute something to > one of his swaroopa, Who am I to object. ? > It is one ane the same.Krisna or Kaal, Shiv or > Ganapathy. > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > > Raja Gopalan ji has rightly observed importance of > > these epics and the moral conveyed than how and who? > > Desrves all credit for such nice way in layman's > > understanding > > krishnan > > > > Tatvamasi <om_tatsat_om wrote: > > Friends, > > > > As a lay man, I feel that if one is really hungry, > > he > > does not bother about who/how of food preparer or > > preparation. > > Thirst for Atma shakshatar and Atma kalyan is > > quenched > > by Srimad Bhavagvatam or Bagwat Geeta. Who wrote it > > is > > immaterial. > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > --- B K <bkgswu wrote: > > > > > Bhagwad Gita, discourse between Sri Krishna and > > > Arjuna is compiled by Sage Vyasa, Srimad > > Bhagwadham > > > too, then Is Sage Vyasa, the Creator of Sri > > > Krishna's role? > > > > > > Do we follow Sri Krishna by reading Bhagwad Gita > > > or are we following Sage Vyasa? > > > > > > Is Sage Vyasa present during the period of Sri > > > Krishna and Srimad Bhagwatham? > > > > > > Or is it that Sri Krishna, who lived during > > > Satyug, Heaven,the character was used by Sage > > Vyasa > > > to write His own ideas as Shastras to help Human > > > beings of Dwapar (Yug of Duality) Yug. > > > > > > It is said that God Shiv is the real revealer of > > > Gita not Sri Krishna.The significance of > > considering > > > Sri Krishna as revealer of Gita is actually to > > > depict the teachings given by God Shiv at the end > > of > > > Kaliyug. > > > > > > Hope it is True that Why Sri Krishna's name was > > > wrongly used instead of God Sri Sri Shiv is that > > > during Satyug, Treta and Dwapar, the Saints can > > only > > > recollect only a part of happenings throughout the > > > World Cycle of 5000 yrs and there is no clear > > > introdcution of the actual role of God Shiv, God > > > Shiv descend only during the end of Kaliyug to > > give > > > the Right Knowledge, the Real Gita. > > > > > > Rajagopalan Somayaji <ssrvj wrote: > > > Srimath Bhaagavadham composed by sri.Veda Vyaasa > > > > > > > > > > > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > > > PhotoMail - it's free and works with > > Mail. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE > > DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart > > Astrology software > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web. > > > > To from this group, send an email > > to: > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail > > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a > > breeze. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS. Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "" on the web. Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2006 Report Share Posted March 5, 2006 And Kaal (maha or otherwise) is what forms the infrastructure of astrology. Astrology is about TIME, the passage of time and the sequential reality that it represents, hence we rely on snapshots of the sky (birthchart) as well as the dynamic nature of time (transits and dashas). It is very interesting that western astrology that I presume is entirely non-hindu (religiously speaking) also uses the same framework which is based on static time (fixed charts) dynamic time (both as perceived in the heavens, hence the transits, as well as harmonics of such dynamic time -- progressions and directions -- very similar to dashas). The space-time concepts that show up in astrology, eastern or western are uncannily close, frameworkwise. For some individual, Kaal represents death, destruction, but really it is about passage of time and death and destruction as well as birth and resurgence are simply points on the wave of TIME, just as horoscopes as nodes in the wave of time interact with the dynamic dimension of astrology, the passage of time. It is all so natural and beautiful! And so human, so not needing any imaginary Gods unfortunately renedered captive to and secluded in different religions to make it all come real!! RR , "auromirra19" <nalini2818 wrote: > > Sri Tatvamasi ji, > Well said, sir. There is absolutely no difference too in my opinion > as they are all the visualisations of the bahya roopa of the Supreme. > All manifestations that help the native in Ultimate Knowledge of the > Divine. > Nalini > , Tatvamasi > <om_tatsat_om@> wrote: > > > > Sada Shiv,Krishna, Ganesh, Hanuman....All are > > menifestations of Maha Kaal. For me there is no > > difference. If someone wants to attribute something to > > one of his swaroopa, Who am I to object. ? > > It is one ane the same.Krisna or Kaal, Shiv or > > Ganapathy. > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > --- vattem krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > Raja Gopalan ji has rightly observed importance of > > > these epics and the moral conveyed than how and who? > > > Desrves all credit for such nice way in layman's > > > understanding > > > krishnan > > > > > > Tatvamasi <om_tatsat_om@> wrote: > > > Friends, > > > > > > As a lay man, I feel that if one is really hungry, > > > he > > > does not bother about who/how of food preparer or > > > preparation. > > > Thirst for Atma shakshatar and Atma kalyan is > > > quenched > > > by Srimad Bhavagvatam or Bagwat Geeta. Who wrote it > > > is > > > immaterial. > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > --- B K <bkgswu@> wrote: > > > > > > > Bhagwad Gita, discourse between Sri Krishna and > > > > Arjuna is compiled by Sage Vyasa, Srimad > > > Bhagwadham > > > > too, then Is Sage Vyasa, the Creator of Sri > > > > Krishna's role? > > > > > > > > Do we follow Sri Krishna by reading Bhagwad Gita > > > > or are we following Sage Vyasa? > > > > > > > > Is Sage Vyasa present during the period of Sri > > > > Krishna and Srimad Bhagwatham? > > > > > > > > Or is it that Sri Krishna, who lived during > > > > Satyug, Heaven,the character was used by Sage > > > Vyasa > > > > to write His own ideas as Shastras to help Human > > > > beings of Dwapar (Yug of Duality) Yug. > > > > > > > > It is said that God Shiv is the real revealer of > > > > Gita not Sri Krishna.The significance of > > > considering > > > > Sri Krishna as revealer of Gita is actually to > > > > depict the teachings given by God Shiv at the end > > > of > > > > Kaliyug. > > > > > > > > Hope it is True that Why Sri Krishna's name was > > > > wrongly used instead of God Sri Sri Shiv is that > > > > during Satyug, Treta and Dwapar, the Saints can > > > only > > > > recollect only a part of happenings throughout the > > > > World Cycle of 5000 yrs and there is no clear > > > > introdcution of the actual role of God Shiv, God > > > > Shiv descend only during the end of Kaliyug to > > > give > > > > the Right Knowledge, the Real Gita. > > > > > > > > Rajagopalan Somayaji <ssrvj@> wrote: > > > > Srimath Bhaagavadham composed by sri.Veda Vyaasa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brings words and photos together (easily) with > > > > PhotoMail - it's free and works with > > > Mail. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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