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As Ashutoshji has pointed out dowry continues to be the norm in

arranged marriages in Indian society. Social life spans cannot be

measured by the normal standrards of human lives. The various

societies and cultures continue to change as new cross cultural

pulls and pushes act on it. When we talk of socio-astrology we have

to look beyond human lifespans, I suppose.

For example, the time cycles in which let us say, Jupiter and Saturn

get together in various rashis in trines over a span of 200/250

years. The current phase of Ju/Sa conjunctions every twenty years in

taurus, virgo and capricorn began slowly in 1941 and will continue

for nearly 200 odd years.

Is it a mere coincidence that Ju/Sa conjoined in Aries, Leo and Sag

since nearly 1700 to 1941..an era for this world which saw lets say

in India..the renessaince and reform of religious values in which we

had Vivejknanda and others, we also observed an attempt to restore

dignity to women in the society.

This was also the period coinciding with the Industrial revolution,

the change in feudal europe, the formation of the new world in North

America.

Also a period of tremendous enlightenment and the growth of the

spirit of scientific inquiry as against the acceptance of dogma.

Astrological cycles and history are intricately interelated.

For individual interpretations, there is, of course, the

caveat...interpret as per Desh, Kaal and Patra.

More marriages in India break due to dowry and more marriages in

west break due to interpersonal problems.

It is indeed a fascinating thread and lets hear more observations on

it.

regards

rishi

 

 

 

, "crystal pages" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> Looks like dahej has become shashwat.

> Anyone interested in sociology/scriptural history can comment on

how

> long dowry pratha goes back in Indian society (I know other

> societies also have the system and some have nearly eliminated it -

-

> would be an interesting thing to study later).

>

> One wonders if such societal norms that have lasted many many

years

> or longer have some link with astrology as it applies to societies

> and cultures? Since cultures for the most parts tend to arise and

> develop in specific countries (despite recent emigrations to a

minor

> extent and in some of the nations which were populated by

immigrants

> (much to the disadvantage of the natives-but let us not go there!)

> AND since countries have been associated with planets and signs

> (despite different opinions about those -- so what is new?) it

would

> be interesting to study some astro-sociological aspects. Like

dowry,

> for instance, the subject at hand!

>

> , "astrologerashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ritu and Rohini Ji,

> >

> > Dowry is sadly still alive and

> kicking a lot of brides' families where it hurts. The dowry is

> demanded and given in 99% of all arranged marriages.

> >

> > In most of the weddings which take place in Delhi, you

can

> find a beautifully decorated brand new car kept as a display for

the

> guests.

> >

> > The groom arrives in a different vehicle at the marriage

> venue and leaves in this decorated car with his bride after the

> wedding ceremony is over.

> >

> > There are also rate-charts for different kinds of

grooms.

> The most expensive one is an MBA from a leading management

> institute, then come the civil servants, and so on.

> >

> > Even an humble peon in a government job is worth one

lakh

> rupees and a motorcycle.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ashutosh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > ritu sharma

> > ; rrgb@

> > Friday, 10 March, 2006 12:10

> > Re: POLL: Wow! Is dowry still around?

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> > I just had to read this one.. and answer.

> >

> > Take my case.. I have been seperated from my husband because

> his father antipated dowry. He said few things which meant one

> thing, directly.

> >

> > 24.02.78

> > uk - berkshire

> > 1.35am

> >

> > his

> >

> > 15 april 77

> > 14.44

> > delhi

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Ritu

> >

> > crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > Rigid polls using poll options often leave a lot less

> options

> > to really understand something hence I opted to use the

> discussion

> > forum. I not only want to know if the scourge of dowry still

> exists,

> > and how much and then at some point perhaps a few examples of

> > instances where dowry was demanded vs dowry was declined could

> be

> > examined using astrology.

> >

> > I hope I am not breaking any of your rules by posting on your

> forum!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , "Tanvir" <ultimate@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohini Ji, Are you proposing to create a poll? Members are

> given

> > the power to create polls whenever they feel necessary.

> > >

> > > Not really sure about your post!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Tanvir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> > >

> > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem

solving

> > remedies

> > > Where relief and solutions are found

> > >

> > > -

> > > crystal pages

> > >

> > > Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:12 AM

> > > POLL: Wow! Is dowry still around?

> > >

> > >

> > > Is it, really?

> > >

> > > Tell us more -- no names please -- we do not want Tanvir

to

> get

> > in

> > > trouble ;-)

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Since this is not necessarily area which has been covered by

classical astrology, and experimental/exploratory, there might be

some merit in looking at transsaturnine planets or some of the

longer progressions suggested, as by bhrigu researchers (saturn

cycle going upto 360 years approximately, jupiter going upto 144 and

the harmonics of the two together [kind of like progressed

brahaspatya cycle]. Mind you this is exploration which will find

more dissonants and resistance before it begins. this is where

software and modern computing could help but they are all busy

creating video games :-)

 

RR

 

, "rishi_2000in"

<rishi_2000in wrote:

>

> As Ashutoshji has pointed out dowry continues to be the norm in

> arranged marriages in Indian society. Social life spans cannot be

> measured by the normal standrards of human lives. The various

> societies and cultures continue to change as new cross cultural

> pulls and pushes act on it. When we talk of socio-astrology we

have

> to look beyond human lifespans, I suppose.

> For example, the time cycles in which let us say, Jupiter and

Saturn

> get together in various rashis in trines over a span of 200/250

> years. The current phase of Ju/Sa conjunctions every twenty years

in

> taurus, virgo and capricorn began slowly in 1941 and will continue

> for nearly 200 odd years.

> Is it a mere coincidence that Ju/Sa conjoined in Aries, Leo and

Sag

> since nearly 1700 to 1941..an era for this world which saw lets

say

> in India..the renessaince and reform of religious values in which

we

> had Vivejknanda and others, we also observed an attempt to restore

> dignity to women in the society.

> This was also the period coinciding with the Industrial

revolution,

> the change in feudal europe, the formation of the new world in

North

> America.

> Also a period of tremendous enlightenment and the growth of the

> spirit of scientific inquiry as against the acceptance of dogma.

> Astrological cycles and history are intricately interelated.

> For individual interpretations, there is, of course, the

> caveat...interpret as per Desh, Kaal and Patra.

> More marriages in India break due to dowry and more marriages in

> west break due to interpersonal problems.

> It is indeed a fascinating thread and lets hear more observations

on

> it.

> regards

> rishi

>

>

>

> , "crystal pages" <rrgb@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Looks like dahej has become shashwat.

> > Anyone interested in sociology/scriptural history can comment on

> how

> > long dowry pratha goes back in Indian society (I know other

> > societies also have the system and some have nearly eliminated

it -

> -

> > would be an interesting thing to study later).

> >

> > One wonders if such societal norms that have lasted many many

> years

> > or longer have some link with astrology as it applies to

societies

> > and cultures? Since cultures for the most parts tend to arise

and

> > develop in specific countries (despite recent emigrations to a

> minor

> > extent and in some of the nations which were populated by

> immigrants

> > (much to the disadvantage of the natives-but let us not go

there!)

> > AND since countries have been associated with planets and signs

> > (despite different opinions about those -- so what is new?) it

> would

> > be interesting to study some astro-sociological aspects. Like

> dowry,

> > for instance, the subject at hand!

> >

> > , "astrologerashutosh"

> > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Ritu and Rohini Ji,

> > >

> > > Dowry is sadly still alive

and

> > kicking a lot of brides' families where it hurts. The dowry is

> > demanded and given in 99% of all arranged marriages.

> > >

> > > In most of the weddings which take place in Delhi, you

> can

> > find a beautifully decorated brand new car kept as a display for

> the

> > guests.

> > >

> > > The groom arrives in a different vehicle at the

marriage

> > venue and leaves in this decorated car with his bride after the

> > wedding ceremony is over.

> > >

> > > There are also rate-charts for different kinds of

> grooms.

> > The most expensive one is an MBA from a leading management

> > institute, then come the civil servants, and so on.

> > >

> > > Even an humble peon in a government job is worth one

> lakh

> > rupees and a motorcycle.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Ashutosh

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > -

> > > ritu sharma

> > > ; rrgb@

> > > Friday, 10 March, 2006 12:10

> > > Re: POLL: Wow! Is dowry still around?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > > I just had to read this one.. and answer.

> > >

> > > Take my case.. I have been seperated from my husband

because

> > his father antipated dowry. He said few things which meant one

> > thing, directly.

> > >

> > > 24.02.78

> > > uk - berkshire

> > > 1.35am

> > >

> > > his

> > >

> > > 15 april 77

> > > 14.44

> > > delhi

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Ritu

> > >

> > > crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > > Rigid polls using poll options often leave a lot

less

> > options

> > > to really understand something hence I opted to use the

> > discussion

> > > forum. I not only want to know if the scourge of dowry still

> > exists,

> > > and how much and then at some point perhaps a few examples

of

> > > instances where dowry was demanded vs dowry was declined

could

> > be

> > > examined using astrology.

> > >

> > > I hope I am not breaking any of your rules by posting on

your

> > forum!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Tanvir"

<ultimate@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Rohini Ji, Are you proposing to create a poll? Members are

> > given

> > > the power to create polls whenever they feel necessary.

> > > >

> > > > Not really sure about your post!

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Tanvir

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > > > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> > > >

> > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> > > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem

> solving

> > > remedies

> > > > Where relief and solutions are found

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > crystal pages

> > > >

> > > > Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:12 AM

> > > > POLL: Wow! Is dowry still around?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Is it, really?

> > > >

> > > > Tell us more -- no names please -- we do not want Tanvir

> to

> > get

> > > in

> > > > trouble ;-)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

> AND

> > > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart

> Astrology

> > > software

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --------------------------

--

> --

> > ----

> > > -----------

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web.

> > > >

> > > > b..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > c.. Your use of is subject to the

 

> > Terms

> > > of Service.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --------------------------

--

> --

> > ----

> > > -----------

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology

software

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Terms

> of

> > Service.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the

> all

> > new Security Centre.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology

> > software

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

--

> --

> > -----------

> > >

> > >

> > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > > b..

> > >

> > >

> > > c..

> Terms

> > of Service.

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

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> > -----------

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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Dear Rishi ji,

may be we may substitute the word "norm" as the context is of a social evil

krishnan

 

rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in wrote:

As Ashutoshji has pointed out dowry continues to be the norm in

arranged marriages in Indian society. Social life spans cannot be

measured by the normal standrards of human lives. The various

societies and cultures continue to change as new cross cultural

pulls and pushes act on it. When we talk of socio-astrology we have

to look beyond human lifespans, I suppose.

For example, the time cycles in which let us say, Jupiter and Saturn

get together in various rashis in trines over a span of 200/250

years. The current phase of Ju/Sa conjunctions every twenty years in

taurus, virgo and capricorn began slowly in 1941 and will continue

for nearly 200 odd years.

Is it a mere coincidence that Ju/Sa conjoined in Aries, Leo and Sag

since nearly 1700 to 1941..an era for this world which saw lets say

in India..the renessaince and reform of religious values in which we

had Vivejknanda and others, we also observed an attempt to restore

dignity to women in the society.

This was also the period coinciding with the Industrial revolution,

the change in feudal europe, the formation of the new world in North

America.

Also a period of tremendous enlightenment and the growth of the

spirit of scientific inquiry as against the acceptance of dogma.

Astrological cycles and history are intricately interelated.

For individual interpretations, there is, of course, the

caveat...interpret as per Desh, Kaal and Patra.

More marriages in India break due to dowry and more marriages in

west break due to interpersonal problems.

It is indeed a fascinating thread and lets hear more observations on

it.

regards

rishi

 

 

 

, "crystal pages" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> Looks like dahej has become shashwat.

> Anyone interested in sociology/scriptural history can comment on

how

> long dowry pratha goes back in Indian society (I know other

> societies also have the system and some have nearly eliminated it -

-

> would be an interesting thing to study later).

>

> One wonders if such societal norms that have lasted many many

years

> or longer have some link with astrology as it applies to societies

> and cultures? Since cultures for the most parts tend to arise and

> develop in specific countries (despite recent emigrations to a

minor

> extent and in some of the nations which were populated by

immigrants

> (much to the disadvantage of the natives-but let us not go there!)

> AND since countries have been associated with planets and signs

> (despite different opinions about those -- so what is new?) it

would

> be interesting to study some astro-sociological aspects. Like

dowry,

> for instance, the subject at hand!

>

> , "astrologerashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ritu and Rohini Ji,

> >

> > Dowry is sadly still alive and

> kicking a lot of brides' families where it hurts. The dowry is

> demanded and given in 99% of all arranged marriages.

> >

> > In most of the weddings which take place in Delhi, you

can

> find a beautifully decorated brand new car kept as a display for

the

> guests.

> >

> > The groom arrives in a different vehicle at the marriage

> venue and leaves in this decorated car with his bride after the

> wedding ceremony is over.

> >

> > There are also rate-charts for different kinds of

grooms.

> The most expensive one is an MBA from a leading management

> institute, then come the civil servants, and so on.

> >

> > Even an humble peon in a government job is worth one

lakh

> rupees and a motorcycle.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ashutosh

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > ritu sharma

> > ; rrgb@

> > Friday, 10 March, 2006 12:10

> > Re: POLL: Wow! Is dowry still around?

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> > I just had to read this one.. and answer.

> >

> > Take my case.. I have been seperated from my husband because

> his father antipated dowry. He said few things which meant one

> thing, directly.

> >

> > 24.02.78

> > uk - berkshire

> > 1.35am

> >

> > his

> >

> > 15 april 77

> > 14.44

> > delhi

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Ritu

> >

> > crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > Rigid polls using poll options often leave a lot less

> options

> > to really understand something hence I opted to use the

> discussion

> > forum. I not only want to know if the scourge of dowry still

> exists,

> > and how much and then at some point perhaps a few examples of

> > instances where dowry was demanded vs dowry was declined could

> be

> > examined using astrology.

> >

> > I hope I am not breaking any of your rules by posting on your

> forum!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , "Tanvir" <ultimate@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohini Ji, Are you proposing to create a poll? Members are

> given

> > the power to create polls whenever they feel necessary.

> > >

> > > Not really sure about your post!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Tanvir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> > >

> > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem

solving

> > remedies

> > > Where relief and solutions are found

> > >

> > > -

> > > crystal pages

> > >

> > > Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:12 AM

> > > POLL: Wow! Is dowry still around?

> > >

> > >

> > > Is it, really?

> > >

> > > Tell us more -- no names please -- we do not want Tanvir

to

> get

> > in

> > > trouble ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Vedic astrology Astrology chart

Astrology

> > software

> > >

> > >

> > > ----------------------------

--

> ----

> > -----------

> > >

> > >

> > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

> > > b..

> > >

> > >

> > > c..

> Terms

> > of Service.

> > >

> > >

> > > ----------------------------

--

> ----

> > -----------

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology software

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Terms

of

> Service.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the

all

> new Security Centre.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Vedic astrology Astrology chart Astrology

> software

> >

> >

> > --------------------------------

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> -----------

> >

> >

> > a.. Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > b..

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> > c..

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