Social astrological patterns.dowry, other crimes-14/3

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Dear readers,

 

This is a live topic so the long chain in it wanted to wait for sometime

before putting my bit

 

I am sure there r exceptions to all things we see. hear in daily life so to

dowry.

 

from past 3 generations in our family there was is and future too no DOWRY.

my father did perfom 4/5 sisters and 2 brothers wedding and same rule

in his case my siblings 5/6 r married 3 girls and 2 sons NO DOWRY. so there r

many I know like this

 

THE OTHER SIDE I'VE SEEN MANY who can testify to the opposite women who r

suffering genuinely r still taking it silently but the villian, vile women who

encash on their husband's plight milch them to their last drop.

the case of Dr Balakrishna Ambati the youngest docter at 17 from USA of

Indian origin, a very well to do family, when he came to India was honoured by

our nation and PM P V Narshima rao, but that period saw this family put to

untold humilation by his brother's in-laws on dowry case, it is absard that

anyone from INdia can pay an American citizen any amout their entire wealth

will get overshadowed , people who r going for 1st time may bill their tickets

on in-laws [some jerks sure] and their passports seiezed for months they

languished in jails in KOLAR.

i remember a case where a man was harressed by his wife with help from cops

who used to write letters to him just before the dead line for minimm period of

seperation was to expire land in, in the middle of the [ previous] night with

cops help saying why u did not reply to my letters we can talk in the morning

on it, it is late now the cops say over for 8 yrs it went like this several

judges either retired or were transffered and in the meanwhile he was mentally

so sick duing this 8 yrs that he hardly workd as a public sector employee got

away with such indifference to work though stressed out.

 

finally one judge sat on it delivered the seperation, he came back and told

us the good news. he went home and immediately died with a massive heart attack

his joy did not last even 3 hrs.

 

there is another docter case where the women put all her in-laws in jail

apart from dowry on prostution charges for 3 days ona friday night. there is

one similar case posted by j0l_71 here in this group too.

the divide and troubles r there both sides. curruption if ut rules so much

is today becasue the wives demand too much and the husbands who willingly given

in and sell their souls tosatisfy them is a case in point. today women govt

employess r no different directly ask pay me as much as u paid the previous men

in my seat they even come to ofices or their homes to collect the SALES TAX,

coropration taxes etc.

 

SOME HAVE OPINED ALL ARRANGED MARRIAGES R Downry demanding no

all love marriages r downry free NO

it is just human greed either from our jobs, or spouses we try to make money

sadly.

 

u msut see now people in the borth and deaths registrar make money to issue a

death certificate to a gribeving family who need this paper just to make many

things in order.

 

My father had this experience even in 1947 FOR 2 YRS THE CLERKS did show him

pillar2post but one day when he gave him rs 5 the paper right from the desk was

tracable and given to him, my father was 20 when his father died and wished due

to compassionate grounds at least he would be helped. no greed has no

compassion.

dowry is just a small part of it.

 

Prashant

 

rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in wrote: As Ashutoshji has pointed

out dowry continues to be the norm in arranged marriages in Indian society.

Social life spans cannot be measured by the normal standrards of human lives.

The various societies and cultures continue to change as new cross cultural

pulls and pushes act on it. When we talk of socio-astrology we have to look

beyond human lifespans, I suppose. For example, the time cycles in which let us

say, Jupiter and Saturn get together in various rashis in trines over a span

of 200/250 years. The current phase of Ju/Sa conjunctions every twenty years in

taurus, virgo and capricorn began slowly in 1941 and will continue for nearly

200 odd years.

Is it a mere coincidence that Ju/Sa conjoined in Aries, Leo and Sag since

nearly 1700 to 1941..an era for this world which saw lets say in India..the

renessaince and reform of religious values in which we had Viveknanda and

others, we also observed an attempt to restore dignity to women in the society.

This was also the period coinciding with the Industrial revolution, the

change in feudal europe, the formation of the new world in North America.

Also a period of tremendous enlightenment and the growth of the spirit of

scientific inquiry as against the acceptance of dogma.

Astrological cycles and history are intricately interelated. For individual

interpretations, there is, of course, the caveat...interpret as per Desh, Kaal

and Patra. More marriages in India break due to dowry and more marriages in

west break due to interpersonal problems. It is indeed a fascinating thread and

lets hear more observations on it.

 

regards

rishi

 

 

 

, "crystal pages" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> Looks like dahej has become shashwat.

> Anyone interested in sociology/scriptural history can comment on

how

> long dowry pratha goes back in Indian society (I know other

> societies also have the system and some have nearly eliminated it -

-

> would be an interesting thing to study later).

>

> One wonders if such societal norms that have lasted many many

years

> or longer have some link with astrology as it applies to societies

> and cultures? Since cultures for the most parts tend to arise and

> develop in specific countries (despite recent emigrations to a

minor

> extent and in some of the nations which were populated by

immigrants

> (much to the disadvantage of the natives-but let us not go there!)

> AND since countries have been associated with planets and signs

> (despite different opinions about those -- so what is new?) it

would

> be interesting to study some astro-sociological aspects. Like

dowry,

> for instance, the subject at hand!

>

> , "astrologerashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ritu and Rohini Ji,

> >

> > Dowry is sadly still alive and

> kicking a lot of brides' families where it hurts. The dowry is

> demanded and given in 99% of all arranged marriages.

> >

> > In most of the weddings which take place in Delhi, you

can

> find a beautifully decorated brand new car kept as a display for

the

> guests.

> >

> > The groom arrives in a different vehicle at the marriage

> venue and leaves in this decorated car with his bride after the

> wedding ceremony is over.

> >

> > There are also rate-charts for different kinds of

grooms.

> The most expensive one is an MBA from a leading management

> institute, then come the civil servants, and so on.

> >

> > Even an humble peon in a government job is worth one

lakh

> rupees and a motorcycle.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ashutosh

>

> > -

> > ritu sharma

> > ; rrgb@

> > Friday, 10 March, 2006 12:10

> > Re: POLL: Wow! Is dowry still around?

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> > I just had to read this one.. and answer.

> >

> > Take my case.. I have been seperated from my husband because

> his father antipated dowry. He said few things which meant one

> thing, directly.

> >

> > 24.02.78

> > uk - berkshire

> > 1.35am

> >

> > his

> >

> > 15 april 77

> > 14.44

> > delhi

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Ritu

> >

> > crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > Rigid polls using poll options often leave a lot less

> options

> > to really understand something hence I opted to use the

> discussion

> > forum. I not only want to know if the scourge of dowry still

> exists,

> > and how much and then at some point perhaps a few examples of

> > instances where dowry was demanded vs dowry was declined could

> be

> > examined using astrology.

> >

> > I hope I am not breaking any of your rules by posting on your

> forum!

> >

> > RR

 

> > , "Tanvir" <ultimate@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohini Ji, Are you proposing to create a poll? Members are

> given

> > the power to create polls whenever they feel necessary.

> > >

> > > Not really sure about your post!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Tanvir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> > >

> > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive

astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies

> > > Where relief and solutions are found

> > >

> > > -

> > > crystal pages

> > >

> > > Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:12 AM

> > > POLL: Wow! Is dowry still around?

> > >

> > >

> > > Is it, really?

> > >

> > > Tell us more -- no names please -- we do not want Tanvir to get in

trouble ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

>

 

Prashant

 

 

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Dear readers,

 

This is a live topic so the long chain in it wanted to wait for sometime

before putting my bit

 

I am sure there r exceptions to all things we see. hear in daily life so to

dowry.

 

from past 3 generations in our family there was is and future too no DOWRY.

my father did perfom 4/5 sisters and 2 brothers wedding and same rule

in his case my siblings 5/6 r married 3 girls and 2 sons NO DOWRY. so there r

many I know like this

 

THE OTHER SIDE I'VE SEEN MANY who can testify to the opposite women who r

suffering genuinely r still taking it silently but the villian, vile women who

encash on their husband's plight milch them to their last drop.

the case of Dr Balakrishna Ambati the youngest docter at 17 from USA of

Indian origin, a very well to do family, when he came to India was honoured by

our nation and PM P V Narshima rao, but that period saw this family put to

untold humilation by his brother's in-laws on dowry case, it is absard that

anyone from INdia can pay an American citizen any amout their entire wealth

will get overshadowed , people who r going for 1st time may bill their tickets

on in-laws [some jerks sure] and their passports seiezed for months they

languished in jails in KOLAR.

i remember a case where a man was harressed by his wife with help from cops

who used to write letters to him just before the dead line for minimm period of

seperation was to expire land in, in the middle of the [ previous] night with

cops help saying why u did not reply to my letters we can talk in the morning

on it, it is late now the cops say over for 8 yrs it went like this several

judges either retired or were transffered and in the meanwhile he was mentally

so sick duing this 8 yrs that he hardly workd as a public sector employee got

away with such indifference to work though stressed out.

 

finally one judge sat on it delivered the seperation, he came back and told

us the good news. he went home and immediately died with a massive heart attack

his joy did not last even 3 hrs.

 

there is another docter case where the women put all her in-laws in jail

apart from dowry on prostution charges for 3 days ona friday night. there is

one similar case posted by j0l_71 here in this group too.

the divide and troubles r there both sides. curruption if ut rules so much

is today becasue the wives demand too much and the husbands who willingly given

in and sell their souls tosatisfy them is a case in point. today women govt

employess r no different directly ask pay me as much as u paid the previous men

in my seat they even come to ofices or their homes to collect the SALES TAX,

coropration taxes etc.

 

SOME HAVE OPINED ALL ARRANGED MARRIAGES R Downry demanding no

all love marriages r downry free NO

it is just human greed either from our jobs, or spouses we try to make money

sadly.

 

u must see now people in the birth and deaths registrar make money to issue a

death certificate to a grieving family who need this paper just to set many

things in order. even disconnecting a fon in a dead perosn's name.

 

My father had this experience even in 1947 FOR 2 YRS THE CLERKS did show him

pillar2post but one day when he gave him rs 5 the paper right from the desk was

tracable and given to him, my father was 20 when his father died and wished due

to compassionate grounds at least he would be helped. no greed has no

compassion.

dowry is just a small part of it.

 

Prashant

 

rishi_2000in <rishi_2000in wrote: As Ashutoshji has pointed

out dowry continues to be the norm in arranged marriages in Indian society.

Social life spans cannot be measured by the normal standrards of human lives.

The various societies and cultures continue to change as new cross cultural

pulls and pushes act on it. When we talk of socio-astrology we have to look

beyond human lifespans, I suppose. For example, the time cycles in which let us

say, Jupiter and Saturn get together in various rashis in trines over a span

of 200/250 years. The current phase of Ju/Sa conjunctions every twenty years in

taurus, virgo and capricorn began slowly in 1941 and will continue for nearly

200 odd years.

Is it a mere coincidence that Ju/Sa conjoined in Aries, Leo and Sag since

nearly 1700 to 1941..an era for this world which saw lets say in India..the

renessaince and reform of religious values in which we had Viveknanda and

others, we also observed an attempt to restore dignity to women in the society.

This was also the period coinciding with the Industrial revolution, the

change in feudal europe, the formation of the new world in North America.

Also a period of tremendous enlightenment and the growth of the spirit of

scientific inquiry as against the acceptance of dogma.

Astrological cycles and history are intricately interelated. For individual

interpretations, there is, of course, the caveat...interpret as per Desh, Kaal

and Patra. More marriages in India break due to dowry and more marriages in

west break due to interpersonal problems. It is indeed a fascinating thread and

lets hear more observations on it.

 

regards

rishi

 

 

 

, "crystal pages" <rrgb

wrote:

>

> Looks like dahej has become shashwat.

> Anyone interested in sociology/scriptural history can comment on

how

> long dowry pratha goes back in Indian society (I know other

> societies also have the system and some have nearly eliminated it -

-

> would be an interesting thing to study later).

>

> One wonders if such societal norms that have lasted many many

years

> or longer have some link with astrology as it applies to societies

> and cultures? Since cultures for the most parts tend to arise and

> develop in specific countries (despite recent emigrations to a

minor

> extent and in some of the nations which were populated by

immigrants

> (much to the disadvantage of the natives-but let us not go there!)

> AND since countries have been associated with planets and signs

> (despite different opinions about those -- so what is new?) it

would

> be interesting to study some astro-sociological aspects. Like

dowry,

> for instance, the subject at hand!

>

> , "astrologerashutosh"

> <astrologerashutosh@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ritu and Rohini Ji,

> >

> > Dowry is sadly still alive and

> kicking a lot of brides' families where it hurts. The dowry is

> demanded and given in 99% of all arranged marriages.

> >

> > In most of the weddings which take place in Delhi, you

can

> find a beautifully decorated brand new car kept as a display for

the

> guests.

> >

> > The groom arrives in a different vehicle at the marriage

> venue and leaves in this decorated car with his bride after the

> wedding ceremony is over.

> >

> > There are also rate-charts for different kinds of

grooms.

> The most expensive one is an MBA from a leading management

> institute, then come the civil servants, and so on.

> >

> > Even an humble peon in a government job is worth one

lakh

> rupees and a motorcycle.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Ashutosh

>

> > -

> > ritu sharma

> > ; rrgb@

> > Friday, 10 March, 2006 12:10

> > Re: POLL: Wow! Is dowry still around?

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> > I just had to read this one.. and answer.

> >

> > Take my case.. I have been seperated from my husband because

> his father antipated dowry. He said few things which meant one

> thing, directly.

> >

> > 24.02.78

> > uk - berkshire

> > 1.35am

> >

> > his

> >

> > 15 april 77

> > 14.44

> > delhi

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Ritu

> >

> > crystal pages <rrgb@> wrote:

> > Rigid polls using poll options often leave a lot less

> options

> > to really understand something hence I opted to use the

> discussion

> > forum. I not only want to know if the scourge of dowry still

> exists,

> > and how much and then at some point perhaps a few examples of

> > instances where dowry was demanded vs dowry was declined could

> be

> > examined using astrology.

> >

> > I hope I am not breaking any of your rules by posting on your

> forum!

> >

> > RR

 

> > , "Tanvir" <ultimate@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Rohini Ji, Are you proposing to create a poll? Members are

> given

> > the power to create polls whenever they feel necessary.

> > >

> > > Not really sure about your post!

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Tanvir

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > What cannot happen, can never happen.

> > > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> > >

> > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive

astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies

> > > Where relief and solutions are found

> > >

> > > -

> > > crystal pages

> > >

> > > Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:12 AM

> > > POLL: Wow! Is dowry still around?

> > >

> > >

> > > Is it, really?

> > >

> > > Tell us more -- no names please -- we do not want Tanvir to get in

trouble ;-)

> > >

> > > RR

>

 

Prashant

 

 

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